Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll Tutorial... Have you already learned this technique??? Please Comment.
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll is the easiest form of friction fire that can be made. You MUST first learn the technique using cotton and wood ashes before moving on to the more difficult fibers, fillers, and rolling tools. Those can be found in my Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll Playlist in the LINK below.
Make sure also to visit the ultimate master of the Rudiger Roll. See Tim at BoggyCreekBeast use a multitude of natural fibers, fillers, and techniques with the greatest of ease (LINK below).
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Fire Roll, How To Make Large Embers For Damp Tinder
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Apply More Downward Pressure And The Fire Roll Will IGNITE For You!!! and... How To Use WET ASHES!
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I really like that you did this in damp conditions
I wish I had mentioned that wet conditions makes the Fire Roll tend to roll up too tightly... tight enough to snuff out the developing ember if you don't get it loosened up fast enough.
David West I’m from NorthEastern Ontario Canada it’s a little cold to practice outside but I do inside when the wife is out lol, I found that I wasn’t applying enough pressure but once I figured it out I’m batting about 80% success rate, thanks for all the time and coaching.
Too much pressure is alright. Too little makes the fibers disintegrate over several tries without it ever getting hot enough to ignite.
Tried it for the first time with wet ashes in 95% humidity in the rain, still works admittedly only tried it because Id seen David's video first!
Amazing that it's the only firemaking technique that can take so much moisture and still go to ember.
I showed a friend this technique Saturday. He’s a great outdoorsman..and his jaw literally dropped😂. He said he was fixing to bet $100 it wouldn’t make an ember. He did it a moment later on his first try. Next we used flint, steel and char cloth..he pulled out his phone and subscribed to your channel.👍 You’re a great teacher Mr. West! Thanks for sharing your craft! 🔥 God Bless
LOL! I'm still amazed too!
Thank you, David! I have been teaching this technique to my college-level ceramic arts students. We work with fire during the production of ceramic sculpture and pottery. I keep a fire-making kit in our classroom studio so students can experiment with different techniques. They love it...and so do I. You should know that it was all inspired by you. Many thanks.
Thank you for the great feedback kind words.
I've passed this method on to many youths that I work with in outdoor self reliance instruction I've had kids from ages 8 to 18 who can successfully repeat this over and over again and each one feels a great sense of accomplishment each time they use the fire roll technique. A lot of these kids have started to store pre made fire rolls in their packs for later use and a few of them have even used them as a char cloth replacement using flint and steel and magnifying glass for ignition. Many Thanks for the knowledge you've passed on with these vids ! God Bless !
Thanks for passing it on, friend!
I’ve shared this method with my children, grandchildren and nephew. They, like I, think it’s kinda like magic. Fun to do. Thanks for your videos.
May God bless and keep you.
Thank you Ricky. Your response caused me to change the title... "...Have you already learned the technique. Please comment"
God Bless You Brother David.
"But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word."
Acts 6:4
Keep on keeping on for our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Been thinking a lot about this verse in Acts lately... For Timothy, a man full of God's grace and power, performed great wonders and signs among the people.***If I'm a man full of God's grace, I should be treating other people like God treats me! Hmmm?
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl Amen to that Brother.🕊
Thank you!!! I have been successful with it. Keep up the good work. My son and i got into primitive fire making because of you. We love it!!
That is GREAT to hear!
Demonstrated this the other day using (cold) cigarette ash. Best one so far. over half of the roll was glowing after only a few seconds
Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll is the easiest form of friction fire that can be made. You MUST first learn the technique using cotton and wood ashes before moving on to the more difficult fibers, fillers, and rolling tools. Those can be found in my Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll Playlist in the LINK below.
Make sure also to visit the ultimate master of the Rudiger Roll. See Tim at BoggyCreekBeast use a multitude of natural fibers, fillers, and techniques with the greatest of ease (LINK below).
Please SUBSCRIBE (Hit the Notification Bell and select All). Thank You!
Rudiger Roll, Fire Roll Playlist
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Fire Roll, How To Make Large Embers For Damp Tinder
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Apply More Downward Pressure And The Fire Roll Will IGNITE For You!!! and... How To Use WET ASHES!
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BoggyCreekBeast
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As a primitive survivalist, my respect just went up for you David, for acknowledging Tim from Bogg Creek Beast. He may not make the best youtube videos when it comes to filming and editing but his work has been the foundation for many of us who use his methods and he was the first guy I ever found on youtube which eventually led me to your channel. Thank you sir
Since learning the Rudiger Roll watching your videos I've a added a small container with ashes to my fire kit and it's the preferred friction fire method for me now.
It took me several tries but I did it. Once I'm more consistent in gonna teach the grandkids! Thank you sir!
How have I never heard of this method with 30 years experience?!? SO cool!
Ye... See my fire roll playlist. TY!
You're smoking!!! Thanks for putting out these great videos
Already learned this... but made it WORK thanks to this video! Tried DOZENS of times before, getting at best some heat but no smoke. This video has all the important fundamentals for noobs to get that first roll blazing and get a real feel for the method.
The more you practice fire roll the easier it gets. TY!
I’m grateful you powered forward in the rain! Now we know one more amazing aspect of this method thanks to you!
Thanks Shannon!
Came back from the mountains with fatwood....and ponderosa pine needles. Gotta tell ya...birdnestin’ them needles smart! Well anyway....finally able to try the fire roll. Followin’ your technique...”first time.!! It took a little longer to ignite because them needles weren’t broke down real fine...but finally did. That’s was cool.....put a smile on the old guy’s face. :~) Thanks!
I know the feeling/smile.
David, have you ever done a video concerning your past history, for instance your career, wife, kids, age(I'm guessing 42)😇 how you got into this hobby etc. I've looked and maybe missed it so I apologize if that's so. Thanks for such an enjoyable tutorial again! Take care!!!
Pipe Fitter for many years and also Truck Driver. When I got my CWP, I searched UA-cam for videos about it, I naturally ran up on prepping videos, which led me to firemaking videos. This was about 8 years ago. It's a bad idea for UA-camrs to put out personal information.
Thanks for the response David. I agree about not putting too much personal info out there. I often put my nose where it doesn't belong.😜 Very admirable peofessions!👍 The way you present yourself and your videos and your knowledge about what you do I thought you worked for NASA. You know, "Rocket surgeon!" Lol! Keep up the good work! God bless!!!
I watch your videos while I work picture framing and I tried this today for the very first time. I used a cotton ball with very smooth ash from my wood stove and did everything you showed and I was so excited that I got an ember the first time and got my white pine needle tinder bundle to burst into flames! Hahaha after I got it going I actually said, thank you for joining me on this one, weeee'll catch you on the next one!
WELCOME! to the fire roll club!
I love the fire roll
How often do you Fire Roll?
I have actually never tried it... just enjoyed watching it more then the other ways of fire starting. Lol
I haven't had any luck with the fire roll. It may be because i didn't ash the bottom board. Ill keep you posted on my progress lol . Cheers David.
Thank you!
Thank you for the video. I never knew this was a thing. I like that there was rain. Shows me that it can be done in wet conditions.
Great turorial! If we can't get a fire after that we aren't paying attention! Thanks again!!!🙂
when S.H.T.F and society collapse, a BIC lighter would be worth its weight in gold. you just saved me a fortune. thanks.
You might actually be able to trade it for ammo, or 10 smoked catfish filets, or a knife.
Not tried yet, but I feel inspired by your work 👍 Greetings from Germany 🍺
Incredible
Awesome video, thanks David😎👍
Do you ever Fire Roll?
Not yet but its on my list
Thanks
Been itching to try this but was still not sure despite watching you many times
This tutorial was great will try it out tomorrow 👍🔥
Thanks.
Thanks for the details and dampness
Hi David
I loved watching you doing this .. never seen this before but you got my interest.. I will follow you to learn more
All the best from across the pond!
Paul
Thanks Paul! See my fire roll playlist.
When I first learned this technic I was not successful for awhile, watching your video’s, and Mr. Wagers, I made a checklist of steps very similar to your video. Since then I have been successful with cotton balls and milkweed fibers, and have yucca fibers prepped to try. (I recorded this on my FB Nehawka Primitive Skills site, and gave you and Tim Wagers credit for the instruction). The reverse roll concept is good. I didn’t pick up on that at first, and may have been part of my problem being successful. It is hard to believe this technic is only as old as WW II, because it is so simple. I have thought surely some people, like the Egyptians, with their engineering skills would have stumbled upon this method. But they used the bow & drill, but had a unique cord wrapping technic. Thanx for the further insights, and keep producing videos! This will be a highlight to this coming years primitive skill demonstrations at events.
Thanks Mark I appreciate it!
I tried it and it worked just fine..... nice...
Congratulations friend!
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl I wonder how this was discovered? And when? I bet a very long time ago...
In the 40s prisoners of war lit cigarettes this way. I've heard American Indians discovered it. I've heard that the Chinese discovered it.
I tried my first three attempts earlier today without sucess. It was very hot and I could smell it, but no smoke or ember. I will try again this evening and hopefully ignite the woodstove. Thanks David for teaching this technique; I'm looking forward to eventually mastering it sometime.
Bear down as hard as you can. Find a rolling surface that's low enough to get your body weight over and into the downward pressure.
I've never really bothered looking into this technique because I use a bow drill. But boy does that look easy.
I wondering if anyone has tried using this method with say a 3/8inch thick board on a machete?
I like a machete in my survival gear, and carry a thin wood/leather strop. If I make rolls ahead of time and store them to use with the machete/wooden strop surfaces, this may be a good option for long term survival fires.
See my fire roll playlist for that machete video. By the way... everything logical has already been tried.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl awesome. Thanks for the reply. I should have had a good look myself and not been lazy
Thank you for doing this in the rain
I am still amazed i had not seen or heard of this before the first video of yours i saw. Where does it originate from?
Either way thank you.
See my fire roll playlist.
Brilliant tutorial for fire roll - as clear as daylight!!! 👍👍👍
Thanks friend! Do you ever Fire Roll?
Yes David, actually I do fire roll from time to time - but I have to admit, nothing fancy, just with 2x4s and cotton balls... lol
It was you who inspired me a couple of years ago to try it! Thank you for that my friend... 🤝👍
So grateful to be subscribed to your channel! I really appreciate that you went back and taught the fire roll multiple times because each video you did had some insights I didn’t catch before.
After days of trying, I finally got the hang of it I was so excited when I got to ignition point and was able to start the fire.
I’m hoping to teach fire Survival skills At our farm/campground. This is definitely going to be on the menu! And I want to let folks know how to find your channel. I plan on donating to say thanks as well.
You're very welcome friend! I like hearing about your fire roll success. Pressing down as hard as you can while rolling makes quicker ignitions, just in case you haven't seen those videos yet.
Thanks!
Thank you Shannon!!!
I use this as the first friction technique to teach to Cubs and scouts. I haven't yet got a Beaver to have success as it does need an amount of physical strength / coordination. The question I haven't been able to satisfactorily answer for myself is How does it work. Especially once you start demonstrating it with rust etc.
My guess is friction and chemical reaction (oxidizers maybe).
I tried it last summer after watching several of your videos. I got it on the first or second try. Later, I showed it to my roommate, and tried to use the fanning technique that you use, and lost my ember . By the time I found it, it had set a patch of dry grass on fire, if that gives you any idea of how dry my conditions were at the time.
I wanted to try the hand and bow drill methods, but I couldn't find any horseweed. I have ample amounts of ironweed and goldenrod growing on my property. If I had known that they would work I would have tried those. I'll give them a shot this fall. I am starting an herb/flower garden this year. I have a few potential candidates for ignition sources on my list.I( still can't find any horseweed seeds) I do have some Rattlesnake Master seeds on my list, they are apparently good for cordage. I'm hoping to get a good bushcraft rudiger roll out of those. The leaves are apparently similar to yucca.
I use a sort of figure 8 fanning technique. The same figure 8 that you would have to use if you were figure 8ing an egg on a tablespoon. That keeps the ember in the tinder bundle because it always has the wind holding it in place.
Lots of stalk type weeds will work... Goldenrod, Dogfennel, Mullein, Yucca, etc.
I'd like to try some natural fibers to fire roll too. I know we have Milkweed, Stinging Nettle, Dogbane, but I can't find them.
You asked for comments, so here's mine: I really love your channel, and I greatly appreciate your work. BUT...I'm not sure I understand your interest in starting fires with cotton balls and ashes. I think I would be much better off carrying MATCHES when I go into the woods (and/or lighters or firesteels with striker). Why would I carry cotton balls and a can of ashes, and NOT carry those others? More interesting to me (and much more useful) is work on friction fires that don't require specialized components -- and you HAVE addressed LOTS of those. As far as fire rolls, I'm only interested in them if/when they can be done without boards, cotton balls, or ashes.
Then you'll be interested in my fire roll playlist of which there are 2 LINKs to in every fire roll video that you have watched. EDC 4 fire makers like I do and you'll never have to rely friction fire techniques.
Hey this is great! Love all you vids.The long boards are pretty much a guaranteed ignition with very rewarding results.. Have you ever been successful getting it to work with 2 shorter wood pieces ? like 6" long or so.. Only asking because i have been trying and haven't achieved ignition yet myself. The reason I'm trying to get a system with shorter wood top and bottom because of being able to pack them in a camp/survival bag. its not very convenient to carry such a long pc of wood while hiking so if i could master the technique with shorter wood that would be really cool! I wonder if you have and maybe I haven't seen the recorded vid or if you haven't tried etc? If you Have i would love to see it .. Thanks David you're channel is so awesome!
Please visit my fire roll playlist.
One of Davidss vids he sawed about a 2 1/2" dia. Log to about 8", split it, flattened each half a bit with a knife, and made fire with the Rutiger Roll. He is magically blessed.
What a great way to make fire. I wonder if combining the ashes with the bow/hand drill method would make it easier and faster to get an ember. I enjoy your channel mate thanks for sharing your knowledge.
No. Common question though. Thanks!
I WILL TRY THIS
Another great vid. Never heard of these rolls before. 👍
Is that just straight ash from a previous fire?
Yes, any wood ash will work. See my fire roll playlist.
Could u remake these ahead of time knowing u will have day ten fires needs would it hurt to sit a few days
Yes.
What if pine needles are not available what can you use in place of them
Grass, leaves, etc
Can a piece of a regular Cotton T shirt be used instead of roll cotton ?
No but taking the threads out of Denim will work. See my fire roll playlist.
What about cigerate buts......they are kind of fluffy
The tobacco works for a filler. The filter, no. Everything logical has been tried. Visit my fire roll playlist.
Yeah I'm thinking must have synthetic cotton balls
Synthetic will make hard places on the fire roll from the melt of manmade fibers.
@@DavidWestBgood2ppl cheap dollar store only cost a buck too. Picking up some real one tonight. I gotta get this Rudiger Roll
What is the principle behind this ?
Friction and chemical reaction from the wood ashes are my best guess. See my fire roll playlist
Can it be done without ashes?
BoggyCreekBeast can, not I.
How old is this technique? Was it known and practiced during early days before matches? Or is it a more modern idea?
Please Google.
Never tried the technique in the rain.
The roll gets rock hard on you. It'll have to be reverse rolled or loosened up quickly before it smothers out the growing ember.
Just buy some matches.
Matches don't last very long. Even the storm proof matches don't last that long, in my opinion. If you want a match to last roll duct tape around the match, leaving the head exposed to strike on. If the conditions are rainy, this is one more fire making tool in your arsenal. You could use a tampon or maxipad, even fibers from your clothing. If you had some ash in your fire kit or come across something rusty, you could make a fire. Split a board pull out the tampon, get some cotton, and scrape off some rust or use ash, split a piece of wood and you can make a fire. It's good knowledge to know.
I have a whole PILE of dead cotton balls that I have tried to make this thing with. No luck. I rolled the things til I was blue in the face. I couldn't even get the bloody things LUKEWARM.
Been to the playlist and watched all the how to videos?