DIALED: Episode #15 - JORDI'S BASIC SUSPENSION SETUP
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- Опубліковано 4 вер 2024
- The FOX crew make their way to Leogang from Fort William and Jordi shares how to do a basic front and rear suspension setup.
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Best thing about this vid: Jordi REALLY choosing his wording properly that way there's very little misinterpretation!!! Fox quality at it's finest.
Cheers! We are lucky to have Jordi! 💪
Thanks for doing this guys. Im sure youd rather be relaxing in the car after a long flight/travel day.
You got that right, we’re just out here living that VLOG life. 📷
Can't believe this series isn't getting more views. Great stuff Fox, thanks!
Jordi is the man!
Jordi Clooney the Suspension Doctor 😂
best suspension tuning video I've seen. Ever.
Cheers Jordan! 🍻
What a nice video by Jordy himself. It's so clearly explained also for a French guy as me... Thanks for sharing this! Cheers.
The man, the myth, the legend, Jordi Clooney 😂
Thank-you Jordi for taking time to make this great video!
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My god man- I consider myself to be at least knowledgeable about this stuff- but you just made this whole process the cleanest and easiest to understand set of steps ever. You are my hero- heading out to the trail to try your tips now! Thank you!
Cheers Nate, glad we were able to help you DIAL your ride in!
Send this video to Loris
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Thanks Jordi for the basic setup. good explanation of the basics in suspension setups.
Thanks for watching Jim 👊
brilliant episode!!! the kind of stuff I wanted to see for long time! maybe could you do like a "part 2 video" where Jordi explains Pro level suspension set-up with no data aquisition system? Like for truly dial bikes for tracks. What bike feedback to look for on the way down the trail so adjustments can be made accordingly to get the most out of the suspension.
Also a chapter on rear shocks only. How to set-up & tune them
We are already planning an advanced setup video next, stay tuned 👊
Thanks for takin the time to explain the set up! Super valuable!
you got it! 👊
This is gold! The best advice on suspension by a country mile. 🇮🇪
Glad you’re enjoying it Nick! 🤙
Probably the best no nonsense suspension video ever 👍 Jordi you are the freaking real Shockwiz 🤘😎 #ridefox
Great video understanding fork and shock rebound and compression makes things a whole lot easier
We are happy to help, we have lots more of this type of videos planned for the future!
Man, thank you for this! Better understanding of suspension dialing makes me want to ride and look for the sweet spot. Jordi, you're the man, cheers!! :)
Went back to basics as per video and its ridiculous the difference it's made to my Stumpy. Totally sorted front end of bike, it turns into corners so much better & feels grippier. Rode same trail day before so not imagining it. Main change was adding 15psi to front fork. Went through same process on wife's bike and she's much happier too. So glad I found this!!
This is actually sweet! Thanks for putting this out team!
Cheers Stephen! 🍻
This is great ! I set up my bike today with this and the advanced Bracketing technique in episode #32 over a set course lap. It made a huge difference and definitely helped me better understand the feeling and effects of Rebound Damping and High and low speed Compression damping. My only suggestion would be to start with Rebound damping - because if it's not right - it's really hard to set anything else up. I also think rebound damping is easier to "feel" for a novice and then it doesn't get in the way of compression damping if you get it right. Thanks again - I am dialed !!
This was great 👍 Thanks for sharing your knowledge .
Glad you enjoyed it! We have plenty more to share with you guys!👊
Jordi your explanation in suspension adjustments makes it so simple in suspension adjustments thanks for making this great video 👍
Been waiting for this! Finally someone who knows exactly what they’re talking about!
Such a good video. Advice coming from the master is definitely appreciated.
Cheers Tim! 🍻
This is real informative! Thanks for sharing 😁👍🏽
Your'e welcome Derrick! 👊
Outstanding and concise suspension setup tut.
Great content. Also of course Jordie is riding a Santa Cruz. He’s got a special connection with the Syndicate!
Might be the best guide i’ve seen on setup
Great tips, guys! 🤘
Please do more suspension tutorials. I will be picking up my first full suspension bike in a few days and I want to understand everything I can. The more technical the better! With visuals would be awesome too! The fork on my bike is the Fox Performance Rhythm GRIP 2 with 150mm travel.
Really appreciate this guys
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Amazing, thanks very much. I finally know what the hell low and high speed rebound/compression is and how to set them.
It's actually simple...once it all clicks.😉
Jordi your the best you make suspension setting so easy thank you my friend
Awesome video.
Cheers Ryan! 🍻
i was waiting that for so looong time ! jordi who explains suspension is always a pleasure to listen ! :D
i have already heard jordi say that if you don't change pressure, you don't change rebound but i was missing the information how he setup the rebound. now it's pretty clear !
continue this series it's wonderful !
Thats why we are making DIALED! 🤙
Brilliant episode! Well explained basic set up
Cheers Micheal, let us know what kind of videos you want to see!👊
This upload makes me want to ride more than any POV UA-camr with a gimble and GoPro..
Great explanation. Helped translate what I’m feeling into the correct setting but more importantly for me, which setting.
Nice video!! That’s will help when I get way off the factory settings.
Wow this was the best explanation i ever Heard. Thankyou @jordi
Now I see that Jordi truly is the master
Nicely done, this was very easy to understand and follow. More like this please.👍🏽
this was fantastic !
Thanks Brodie! 👊
Loving the vids guy’s , and this has to be the best explanation of suspension setup I’ve ever heard, slow methodical explanation, giving me the understanding I need, as I find it a bit of a mystery sometimes, and to be honest I don’t adjust my settings from one ride to the next, but will definitely try it more now. Cheers
* Question: What was Jordi's education and career path that got him to the position he has today?
you have to listen that ;) and you will get all you need www.downtimepodcast.com/jordi-cortes/
Great Question Sexely, that podcast is great, but we also have an episode planned that will dive into this question more!
Hey Ik this is late but recently when I do jumps and brake I get massive cracks is this to do with my forks?
@@mtbshorts3328 If you are talking about loud cracking sounds, which i hope you are and not real cracks, this is because of the crown stanchion unit. the CSUs on fox forks are notorious for creaking after a few months.
Nicely explained Jordi, you can tell it's your job to help people puzzle over set up!
I was wondering, do you always set riders up with a fair amount of compression damping? I think I remember hearing that some riders prefer completely open damping and to run a higher spring rate to keep the bike supported. (Like me, but I'm not at World Cup level obviously) This video has me inspired to fiddle a bit more with my set up and try some compression. Cheers guys!
Awesome vid. Thank you.
You are most welcome 🤙
This is going to be in my tool kit from now on, most informative suspension setup guide I’ve seen. Thanks Jordi + Crew.
My Hightower LT (Fox 36 Elite and DPX2) thanks ya too haha.
Glad this was helpful, we plan of doing a lot more of these types of videos! 🤙
great stuff guys.
When jordi talks, you listen!
Fantastic walk through! I read the manual for my X2 and bracketed my settings, got it dialed in no time! People who struggle with these shocks are not doing a methodical approach to tuning it.
Quality stuff! 👌🏼👍🏼
Cheers 🤙
JDog with the gold!
Great instructional vid thank you 🙏 🤘
Awesome video... this is pretty much exactly what we go through on our Level 1 and 2 Instructor Courses... has Jordi done his PMBIA certifications?! Haha.. just kidding. This is a great resource for any rider or coach out there.
this is so helpful
Great vid.
added to favourites for for easy reference
I had my suspension set up per Fox recommendations
Felt saggy until I hit chunky downhill they that was the best most confident feeling… had to readjust for my climbing trails though
Can you guys do a video about why you dunk your air shafts in a bucket of grease and cause the forks to feel like crap straight from the factory?
THANK YOU
YOU ARE WELCOME! 🤙
Thanks guys!! Really helpful!!
Needed this thanks guys
Good stuff!
What I would love to know or see is putting that X2 on the Bronson V3. I’ve seen it on people’s bikes. However when I’ve asked both Fox and SC reps about they tell it’s not possible and I would need the DPX2. Ive seen the float X2 on this bike though.
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Eso es todo Chingon!!!
Fox Academy #3 video states to fully open HSC and LSC (fully counterclockwise) and use the front brake when setting up sag.
Question: I’m glad to hear Jordi say fork sag 15-20%. Most others seem to suggest 20-25%. However, I find it quite unlikely for Fox’s own suggested pressures to achieve this little sag. Like under 50psi for a 140lb rider. Am I missing something here?
Jordi's recommendations were for aggressive riders
Not suspension related, but I notice Jordi pulled his phone from a pocket under his shirt. What type of shirt is that, it would be very useful for enduro racing? Great video, I'm hooked on Dialled.
live long and prosper jordi!
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"We're not worthy "!!!!
thank you, master! I am an unworthy student! ;)
Jokes aside. It happened to me, that I forgot to dial out everything before setting my SAG. That made my suspension feel different, while having "the same amount of SAG" tyre pressure and cockpit height. As Fox counts clicks from the closed position, it is still correct to open (counterclockwise turns on the compression dial) before setting the SAG, correct? Thx
Have a good time in Leogang :)
In dialed ep 12. The big fox dude with accent, not sure his name? Told Minnaar after he said his bike was skipping over the fast stuff and was feeling too quick to adjust HSR not LSR, I thought it would be LSR as did Minnaar because it was at the top of his travel regardless of shaft speed unlike compression and today’s vid confirms Minnaar, myself and Jordy were right! Minnaar could of won if he had me to help get his forks dialed 😂
I wish I had your job jordi as a mechanical engineer myself I would love to be in your shoes
*Question, why have I gone though 4 36 csus I’m not a particular heavy rider, quite lite one the bike and my headset is never over tightened, just enough but for some reason they last me about 5 moths and then just pure creaking from my fork all the time.
Sick video, cheers guys 👍🏼
love your series!! thx for the really basic explanation! what i was always wondering is: taking off of a jump or landing from a drop - is this high or lowspeed rebound, high or low speed compression?
Cle Mäns Drops/jump landings are always highspeed (compression/rebound). I would say the same for taking off a jump, but maybe some “dive” from LSC can effect how far the fork moves into its travel on the take off. Rockshox LSC, is different in “feel” to Fox LSC, but functions the same.
Ok so lets say a rider loves the way their grip 2 fork feels with the exception of fast techy (rocks and roots) sections because the fork feels harsh or chattery, not smooth essentially. Is a quick fix to close LSC (clockwise) or open LSC (counterclockwise) a couple of clicks?
Surprised by the suggestion for only 15-20% sag on a Fox 36 Grip 2. Quite a few reviews suggest 25-30% sag - which I have found makes the fork work much better (ie. Better small bump sensitivity and use of 95% of travel). I could not imagine being able to use full travel at 15%. Note I run 30% sag, no volume spacers, 16 clicks HSC (ie. fully open), 8 clicks LSC, 5-6 clicks HSR and 7-8 clicks LSR (all clicks from closed).
Sam Alexander I was a bit surprised by the 15% too. I choose to think its for riding Downhill, where the bike really gets pushed.
One thing that I felt was missing was how the suspension should be set when you set your sag. So not everyone knows that all settings should be as open as possible..
Hi Jordi and fox team. Thanks for those videos very instructives but one thing I missed. For the sag at this started point how the global setting fork must it be? Full open/full closed or middle range maybe? The rest is all clear for me. Cheers and take care.... Nickl
Great vid!! I have factory 36 and x2 Think I have it reasonably set but don’t get great pop off jumps. Any ideas would be great. 🤘🏼
Probably HSC/HSR and possibly not enough spacers (should be obvious if you’re bottoming out)
Trail & Air. Trial and Error.
jordi looks like he doiesent like a single bit of what he does
We can assure you he loves his job, you'll learn to love his dry humour and sarcasm 😂
I hear a lot of people slowing down the rear shock rebound speed when hitting big jumps
/ Dark fest Rampage ect, and just jumping in general , to stop it bucking them - I never here them mention slowing the forks rebound down ?
Is there any particular reason for this ? Cheers
Great video, well explained 😎
Col Rock100 you don’t want the back rebound sending you nose heavy when it launches you post kicker compression so you lower the rebound. The forks settings for jumping are generally on the pretty stiff side so they don’t bottom out on huge landings such as the ones at Darkfest. So when the fork is stiff, it won’t blow through the travel on the kicker and thus the rebound setting isn’t of huge importance.
Generally speaking, what setting changes would you recommend if your front end is sliding more than your rear and/or you want your rear end to slide more?
Luckily I don't need most of this since my Fox 36 only has a single rebound knob and nothing else xD
Thanks for the tips. If you setup the sag properly and find a good setting for compression and rebound but then want to stiffen up the suspension a little more for riding a jump line, what is the best course of action?
Maybe add compression then go back when doing trail riding
Hey jordi@fox, when setting sag on the x2 do i need to fully open the LSC and HSC as one do when setting sag on fork? I m assuming thr rebound wont matter in this. Cheers again..
It doesn't matter when setting sag, but HSC will affect your volume spacer testing, as it will slow down your saftspeed, thus limiting the travel you are going to get
Cheers for the set up tutorial. I have a problem with my dpx2 I don’t get the part where you have to cycles it every 50psi. I’m 100 lbs and I have 200+ psi in my dpx2 I don’t know if this is right my sag is a bit much but I can’t seem to get any more air in even tho the max is 350
you have to cycle it to get air in the positive and negative chambers ( both sides of the shock ) as you put air in from zero psi. One helps counteract the other to make the shock function properly. At 100lbs, 200psi seems excessive - I run a different brand of shock, at nearly twice your weight and I use 210psi. UA-cam is your friend. I'm sure there are DPX2 set up videos out there.
Awesome video, could you do an in depth to set up? Also I was running a x2 2018 had it set up well, had the 2019 kit installed (heavy rider 16st reaching pressure limits) .i was told I wouldn't need to change setting is this right as I feel its bit slower, and feel harsh..? Thanks and love this series. 🤙
Sorry if this ends up being long, but I really need to solve this problem. 19' Bronson, 36 grip 2 Elite fork, 160mm. I'm getting a really harsh kick back through the bars over small bumps. Like a hand gun. If I don't death grip the bars it will literally blow my hands off, even at slower speeds. My set up: 30% sag, 1 token. Reserve carbon wheels, 1 up carbon 35mm bar. 2.5 tire at 21 psi.. It doesn't seem to make any difference how I adjust compression or rebound. Right now, I'm running compression wide open high and low, HS rebound fully slow, LS 5 clicks from slow. I've tried speeding it up and slowing it down and nothing seems to change. I've also noticed I'm only using around 55-60% of travel even on rather big drops or G-outs. With 30% sag and only 1 token, it seems like I should be using more travel. I've run Fox for 15 years and this feels very different from any fork I've ever had. Even though its pretty much new, should I have it rebuilt? Could it be a damper issue or oil? Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks so much!
Can you feel a difference from HSC fully closed and fully open?
@@laurentp89: It doesn't seem so. In fact, when I push down forcfully to test rebound it seems to get tougher every time, like the air pressure is building up
Manual the bumps
Maybe I can trade the bike for a unicycle ;)
Take the volume spacer out. Adjust pressure to keep sag at 30%. Speed up rebound a bit.
Nice video! I think I've heard this a few other places, but for the best measurement of sag, should you open all the damping circuits? Do you do that with the World Cup racers, or is sag with whatever damping they are using more important? Thanks!
Damping only effects movement, sag is a static position in this video. Even with heavy damping, static sag should be the same. However, dynamic sag (when you are riding over uneven terrain) is effected by damping. Example: very slow rebound lowers your average sag point/ride height over repeated bumps, but that's another puzzle for later...
Ok, here's a serious question to Jordi, please. For example I live somewhere near the DH etap. Is it possible to find Jordi's camp and ask him to help tune my Float X2 for example? Of course, if he has free time, if he wants, if .....
I run my rebound in the rear 1 or 2 clicks out from fully closed so I don't get bucked. 90% of riders and professional suspension tuners don't understand it but it's catching on with the Fest Series guys. My set up is ahead of the times.
ratcamaro look into getting a different shock tune to your weight and riding style. Then you will adjust rebound more then 1-2 clicks.
Very Mental i ran that rebound set up on all my dirt bikes and mountain bikes from when i started riding over 20 years ago. That’s just how i prefer to run it.
I ran like that when I was afraid of getting bucked. I then realised my bike had way less pop and I needed more speed to clear jumps, and it felt like crap on the rest of the trail compared to a better setup with faster rebound.
Craig yeah sure, but @ratcamaro finds it is his sweet spot. So his post is pretty pointless in the sense that nobody can use his “setup” advice that is ahead of times. More power to those with a shitty setup ✊🏻
@@Earlysport Haha yeah I set my bikes up for jumping only not the rest of the trail.
Great for info thanks. Just 1 question. When doing basic sag settings. Where should the rebound and compression setting be set to? Fully closed or fully open?
Am I right in thinking that a coil fork would generally be 'easier' on the wrists joint in comparison to an air fork?
Thanks for the video! It’s very helpful. I have a question about my fork. What do I want to do if my fork dives too much upon breaking or aggressive cornering? I have a pike so only have low speed compression adjustment.
Hey Team Fox,
thank you very much for the amazing video, it helped me quite a lot setting up my 36.
I got two small questions:
1. When messuring the forks SAG, do you pull apart the lower and upper part of the fork to unfold its full length, or do you leave it as it is?
2. I just got the new 2021 DHX2 and I am wondering if there is a similar video of you guys, but for a coil shock?
Stay save guys ! :-)
Your fork&shock should be fully extented when the bike is unloaded. If not the case maby consider a service
After a year of riding my fox 36 factory fork and dpx2 shock only last week I have adjusted them almost perfectly then my friends as a joke changed the rebound and compression and now I can't adjust it tried everything bracketing, tokens, setting perfect sag, went throught almost every combination of compression and rebound days on the trails and still couldn't do it.