Dave Clark still has a chance to make $$ and revive the DC5's History. Just Release All the Ed Sullivan, BBC and Live Recordings like the Beatles/Apple did. Dave Clark would make Millions!!!
The music is a backing track. The vocals are being sung live to the same vocals on the backing track. That's WHY the vocal microphones are so far away from them singing. This was their first appearance. Ed Sullivan USUALLY did it this way. However, some groups did play live like the Beatles & the Stones.
This is why I've labeled this 'Semi-Live'. They used the same backing track on a later appearance, where the tape stuffed up, which can be found elsewhere on YT.
@@zapdunga12 You sound like an uninformed idiot. The Dave Clark Five played live concerts all over America in 1964 including sold out shows at Carnegie Hall. LOL
A lot of this is live, the drums are definitely live. I'm not sure there's any backing track at all. The original recording had all the vocals on a ton of echo and there's no trace of echo In this video. I suspect they didn't play that loud which would've helped the microphones pick up more easily.
Amazing feat. In a little more than three years they had 17 top 40 hits in the USA, eight making the top 10 and "Over & Over" going to #1. From what I understand, Sullivan did not allow lip synching.
Lipsynch performances were common on the show during the 1960's forward. Many solo vocalists would sing live to pre recorded band tracks as well. The house band did become reasonably adept at covering " the record" in some cases. Every DC5 Sullivan appearance was a lipsynch.
Any musician can tell this was taped live over a pre-recorded track. Back ground vocals are are too full for just two singers and you're correct, microphones are to far away from singers.
Dave Clark had a simple driving distinct drum sound. He recorded engineered and owned the tracks so he was one of the few who could make backing tracks for live performances. His band made more money because he owned the music and was often at least a co writer. Bun E Carlos and Weinstein both credit DC as first influencer and you can here it in their simple driving straight ahead style including floor Tom driven crescendos.
@@Mister_Pedantic Nor co-wrote. In an interview Clark admitted when Mike or Lenny were writing songs he would leave the room because they were talking in a foreign language known as music.
@@bjbell52 We do not know the full truth but some people do. I wonder why no one has ever spoken out in the 50 years that have passed. Did Clark sign them to lifetime non-disclosure contracts?
I was really young when this came out and im curious, almost without exception in all their tv appearances they tried to sound exactly like their records. Not here. Why the change? Thanks
99% of their TV performances were mimed to the original records. For this and another Sullivan appearance, they pre-recorded a special backing track for the show.
I'm not really sure. I know for a fact that when the DC5 came to the U.S. they went into a recording studio and recorded a backing track. SOURCE -> Lenny Davidson.
If you look really closely the bass and guitar are plugged in. At 2:04 you can see the bass has a cable (whether it's plugged into an amp or not...who knows), and at 2:20 the guitar cable wraps behind him and as the camera comes in it looks like there are cables coming from the organ as well.
@@huskyjerk But the guitars have cords and they might lead off stage to amps. The story I heard was when the 5 landed in New York City they went to a local recording studio and recorded a backing track. That story comes from Lenny Davidson. In this video it sounds like the vocals are live and the drums are live. If you listen carefully you can hear some unplanned rim shots.
Bruce Springsteen n his band mates saw DC5 live.....said they were great!!!!! Recently listened DC5 live at CircleStar,they sounded great to me putting on a great show, so go figure...😊😅😂😮
Oh man I saw him on the drums when the boing came lmfao 🤣 he hit that bass drum hard lmfao still a great group not there fault they had horrible live signals back then
This being their first TV appearance in America wasn't bad enough to turn people off to them. I find it an interesting sound, but definitely a miss in terms of song presentation...in my opinion. The guys look good, add a little bopping around, decent live vocal from Smith and Davidson but that's about as far as the good gets here. The drums start out with some power but about 25 seconds in instead of a snare sound it reduces to a clicking sound and some strangely timed thumps from the drums. Organ looks live the way Smith plays, Lenny's strumming seems a bit weird during the verses but looks live also. Bass is plugged in, but can't quite tell if he's live or not. There's too many voices on the backing vocals to be just Dave and Rick singing, as Lenny looks only to be singing with Mike and Denis of course has a sax in his mouth. The result here is a poorly mixed live and backing track. Which is probably why they went with live vocals over the recorded versions from then on or lip synced completely. Dave should have just said 'let's just play' and I bet it would have sounded much better. Let Mike sing alone and let Rick, Denis and Dave do backing and the song as intended should have been drums and bass heavy with audible sax and straight ahead. There's a live audio somewhere on youtube 'Live at Circle Theater' or something, and while a poor quality recording it's definitely live and for their early hits they sounded just fine, straight up rock and roll. Anyway...can't fix it now...
The groove on the snare drum was originally played kind of like a gallop for lack of the musical definition. He's playing the air space just above the head. While trying not to hit the head, his sticks do hit the rims which is the clicking sound. Then for those hits on the toms, those are not being pulled. He's actually hitting his floor tom and the snare albeit the snare wires are not engaged, hence the high pitched tom and the bass drum. Those microphones are live. The rest of the track, including the vocals are the original studio recording. Note the lack of any cables leading from their instruments and microphones. There is one cable behind the drums and that's for the microphone above the drums.
Now I get why Dave wanted to mime to a recording of a really good session drummer. His drumming stinks! Notice the cam isn’t on Mike much, so you can’t even tell he’s doing the lead vocals.
@@RustyBuzzard-pv2ce When The Beatles had a quick toilet break at 9.25am, January 16, 1964. The toilet break ended at 9.34am and thus ended DC5's brief reign at the top!
Dave Clark deserves immense credit for propelling his band to the forefront leadership of the British Invasion of America! The Dave Clark Five and The Beatles were the 2 giant bands the led the British Invasion. The Rolling Stones, Herman's Hermit's, The Who, The Animals, Searchers, and so forth, all trailed the Beatles & The DC5. Also, there's a certain Mr Ryan who had legally relinquished his writing credits via a deal with Dave Clark. Ryan made the deal with Mr Clark. However it seems in the last few years that Ryan has endlessly complained, whined and cried to anyone and everyone that he is not credited with songs he purportedly wrote but are credited to Dave Clark. Mr Clark has the legal right to claim writing credits to the songs. Fans of the many Dave Clark Five fan groups throughout the internet are quite tired of hearing Mr Ryan's whining and crying over any deal he made with Mr Clark.
Bad live drums with sticks on the snare rim . Not even hitting snare at all! Played over a pre recorded band track. Totally makes no sense that they would have done it this way. Terrible.
There USE to be a video of a live TV performance of the DC5 on youtube. To put it bluntly, it SUCKED. But I don't really blame the band, I blame the sound engineer for his microphone placement.
@@bjbell52 Nobody sounded good on TV back then. The Beatles would work with the crews to get good balance, but TV always compressed bands at anything beyond than low to moderate volume. As for the DC5, Clark was fanatical that they only did lipsynch on TV. The lower payment for that type of performance endeared the band to TV bookers who did not want to pony up five digit fees for the first gen UK groups.
@@pjriverdale8461 As I said before, there use to be a video of probably the earliest TV shows the DC5 did and the sound was really horrible due to poor mic placement. Sometimes they gave Mike and Lenny live mics for the vocals. Also, early on they use to go to a local studio and make a backing track to be played on the show and then added live vocals (source : Lenny Davidson).
Well to be fair to DC, he admitted in an interview that he KNEW he would NEVER be another Buddy Rich. You do understand the Rich and Krupa were musicians who made it to the music industry where the DC5 where amatures who were NOT trying to make it and didn't even quit their day jobs until they had 2 top 10 hits.
Dave was "okay" live but not good enough to play the drums on a record. He ALWAYS never really hits the drums in these various videos. He kind of slaps the sticks on his legs because they are playing to a backing track. In this recording, he hits the drums and the cymbals a little in time but they are mixed TOO LOUDLY with the backing track. Anyway, Mike Smith was the real talent in the group. Lenny & Denis were pretty good, Rick was weak on the bass and was not good enough to play bass on any record.
@frankL Don't say "THEY". Mike Smith had a WHOLE TON of talent. Dennis Payton was good on the saxophone. Lenny Davidson was good on rhythm guitar & backing vocals. In addition, they PRODUCED great records. If you don't like Dave Clark, don't put the whole group down because of it. That is a GROSS exaggeration and you know it.
@@yesterdayproductions1019 Mike Smith was enrolled in a musical college in London at the age of 13. Payton played 4 more instruments after sax. Lenny and Mike both came from a jazz group and after the DC5 broke up, Lenny went on to teach music in college. I actually got to see Mike twice before he died. One time, between songs when his backing band was setting up, he started to play some Mozart on his keyboard and he sounded fantastic.
@@bjbell52 I TOTALLY believe. In addition, the DC5 played LIVE in England BEFORE they came to America AND they did a couple LIVE American tours after they came here. A lot of groups back then did what we call a "TV mix" on television. The music was prerecorded but the vocals were live. Some groups didn't even do that. lol
Dave Clark still has a chance to make $$ and revive the DC5's History.
Just Release All the Ed Sullivan, BBC and Live Recordings like the Beatles/Apple did.
Dave Clark would make Millions!!!
Why won't he do it?
The music is a backing track. The vocals are being sung live to the same vocals on the backing track. That's WHY the vocal microphones are so far away from them singing. This was their first appearance. Ed Sullivan USUALLY did it this way. However, some groups did play live like the Beatles & the Stones.
This is why I've labeled this 'Semi-Live'. They used the same backing track on a later appearance, where the tape stuffed up, which can be found elsewhere on YT.
The fact that the Beatles & Stones did play live that's what separated them from the rest.
The greatest lip sync band in history😂
@@zapdunga12 You sound like an uninformed idiot. The Dave Clark Five played live concerts all over America in 1964 including sold out shows at Carnegie Hall. LOL
A lot of this is live, the drums are definitely live. I'm not sure there's any backing track at all. The original recording had all the vocals on a ton of echo and there's no trace of echo In this video. I suspect they didn't play that loud which would've helped the microphones pick up more easily.
Miike Smith made the DC5 what they were, famous!!! 💜🖤💜🖤💜
Bobby Graham on drums in all the DC-5 hits. Not Dave Clark.
Amazing feat. In a little more than three years they had 17 top 40 hits in the USA, eight making the top 10 and "Over & Over" going to #1.
From what I understand, Sullivan did not allow lip synching.
Lipsynch performances were common on the show during the 1960's forward.
Many solo vocalists would sing live to pre recorded band tracks as well. The house band did become reasonably adept at covering " the record" in some cases.
Every DC5 Sullivan appearance was a lipsynch.
@@pjriverdale8461 this clearly isn’t
Almost every Performance on Ed Sullivan was lip synced
Must be some mighty powerful microphones
Any musician can tell this was taped live over a pre-recorded track. Back ground vocals are are too full for just two singers and you're correct, microphones are to far away from singers.
First live band I ever saw.
I saw this first time, I missed the Beatles but I saw this
When Michael Smith passed away he was almost penniless! He didn't get a share of the royalties. Guess who got the biggest share? Dave!
Great band
...and just think, Fender lovers;
Those are Pre-CBS guitars!
And that beautiful Vox Continental organ.
@RedArrow: Post-CBS Fenders would have been even more spectacular in 1964 🤣
No Autotune for these boys.....in fact no tuning whatsoever.
But they used overdubbing heavily.
Best band from the sixties, love them.
Don’t get carried away.
and the hunky Mike Smith lead!!!!!
Dave Clark had a simple driving distinct drum sound. He recorded engineered and owned the tracks so he was one of the few who could make backing tracks for live performances. His band made more money because he owned the music and was often at least a co writer. Bun E Carlos and Weinstein both credit DC as first influencer and you can here it in their simple driving straight ahead style including floor Tom driven crescendos.
co writer??? hahahahah ask to Ron Ryan....
Although fairly common in jazz, in rock 'n' roll at the time it was highly unusual to have a drummer be the leader of a band.
@@sebastianbattaglia6330 Clark never wrote a single song.
@@Mister_Pedantic Nor co-wrote. In an interview Clark admitted when Mike or Lenny were writing songs he would leave the room because they were talking in a foreign language known as music.
@@bjbell52 We do not know the full truth but some people do. I wonder why no one has ever spoken out in the 50 years that have passed. Did Clark sign them to lifetime non-disclosure contracts?
Man I miss the Tottenham Royal so much ! Best dancehall in London for many many years ……….not just because of this lot 😉
I was really young when this came out and im curious, almost without exception in all their tv appearances they tried to sound exactly like their records. Not here. Why the change? Thanks
99% of their TV performances were mimed to the original records. For this and another Sullivan appearance, they pre-recorded a special backing track for the show.
This is LIVE !!!
I'm not really sure. I know for a fact that when the DC5 came to the U.S. they went into a recording studio and recorded a backing track. SOURCE -> Lenny Davidson.
Drums are live a bit too.
Lead vocals (Mike and Lenny) sound live but the answering or response vocals sound pre-recorded or at least off-stage. Are the instruments plugged in?
No. Backing musical track.
You can tell they aren't.
If you look really closely the bass and guitar are plugged in. At 2:04 you can see the bass has a cable (whether it's plugged into an amp or not...who knows), and at 2:20 the guitar cable wraps behind him and as the camera comes in it looks like there are cables coming from the organ as well.
Where do you get this footage?
Sounds like DC is playing Snare-Off.
He's not hitting the snare he's hitting the rims.
RedArrow73 it does
The greatest lip sync band in history😂
This is the way Dave wanted it , to either to lip sink, or backing vocals no all live on TV .
You can hear him messing up the drumming!
This actually was live.
Guitars appear to have no amp feeds. I suppose most of the instrumentation is a backing track. @@bjbell52
@@huskyjerk But the guitars have cords and they might lead off stage to amps.
The story I heard was when the 5 landed in New York City they went to a local recording studio and recorded a backing track. That story comes from Lenny Davidson.
In this video it sounds like the vocals are live and the drums are live. If you listen carefully you can hear some unplanned rim shots.
I agree. There is backing track usage here.@@bjbell52
I'm struggling to see the guitar leads.
@@huskyjerk Off stage amps just like the Beatles did.
Bruce Springsteen n his band mates saw DC5 live.....said they were great!!!!! Recently listened DC5 live at CircleStar,they sounded great to me putting on a great show, so go figure...😊😅😂😮
The drums sound live.
nope
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Oh man I saw him on the drums when the boing came lmfao 🤣 he hit that bass drum hard lmfao still a great group not there fault they had horrible live signals back then
Dave Clark looks like he has 6 drum sticks
Luv dave Clark's drumming ! Lol !
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Ed must be doing the handclaps
Those drums are live, but sound terrible. But Why...??? Are they mic correctly? Tuned correctly to the music track???
This being their first TV appearance in America wasn't bad enough to turn people off to them. I find it an interesting sound, but definitely a miss in terms of song presentation...in my opinion. The guys look good, add a little bopping around, decent live vocal from Smith and Davidson but that's about as far as the good gets here. The drums start out with some power but about 25 seconds in instead of a snare sound it reduces to a clicking sound and some strangely timed thumps from the drums. Organ looks live the way Smith plays, Lenny's strumming seems a bit weird during the verses but looks live also. Bass is plugged in, but can't quite tell if he's live or not. There's too many voices on the backing vocals to be just Dave and Rick singing, as Lenny looks only to be singing with Mike and Denis of course has a sax in his mouth. The result here is a poorly mixed live and backing track. Which is probably why they went with live vocals over the recorded versions from then on or lip synced completely. Dave should have just said 'let's just play' and I bet it would have sounded much better. Let Mike sing alone and let Rick, Denis and Dave do backing and the song as intended should have been drums and bass heavy with audible sax and straight ahead. There's a live audio somewhere on youtube 'Live at Circle Theater' or something, and while a poor quality recording it's definitely live and for their early hits they sounded just fine, straight up rock and roll. Anyway...can't fix it now...
The groove on the snare drum was originally played kind of like a gallop for lack of the musical definition. He's playing the air space just above the head. While trying not to hit the head, his sticks do hit the rims which is the clicking sound. Then for those hits on the toms, those are not being pulled. He's actually hitting his floor tom and the snare albeit the snare wires are not engaged, hence the high pitched tom and the bass drum. Those microphones are live.
The rest of the track, including the vocals are the original studio recording. Note the lack of any cables leading from their instruments and microphones. There is one cable behind the drums and that's for the microphone above the drums.
Great Band but they should have done a sound check to get better sound especially the drums
Not limpsinched. Obviously live
Now I get why Dave wanted to mime to a recording of a really good session drummer. His drumming stinks! Notice the cam isn’t on Mike much, so you can’t even tell he’s doing the lead vocals.
Dave was actually "Just Okay" live but not good enough to make a record in the studio.
Drums live. Mic picked it up
For a brief moment bigger than the Beatles
And when was that moment ?
@@RustyBuzzard-pv2ce When The Beatles had a quick toilet break at 9.25am, January 16, 1964. The toilet break ended at 9.34am and thus ended DC5's brief reign at the top!
Dave Clark deserves immense credit for propelling his band to the forefront leadership of the British Invasion of America! The Dave Clark Five and The Beatles were the 2 giant bands the led the British Invasion. The Rolling Stones, Herman's Hermit's, The Who, The Animals, Searchers, and so forth, all trailed the Beatles & The DC5. Also, there's a certain Mr Ryan who had legally relinquished his writing credits via a deal with Dave Clark. Ryan made the deal with Mr Clark. However it seems in the last few years that Ryan has endlessly complained, whined and cried to anyone and everyone that he is not credited with songs he purportedly wrote but are credited to Dave Clark. Mr Clark has the legal right to claim writing credits to the songs. Fans of the many Dave Clark Five fan groups throughout the internet are quite tired of hearing Mr Ryan's whining and crying over any deal he made with Mr Clark.
Bad live drums with sticks on the snare rim .
Not even hitting snare at all! Played over a pre recorded band track.
Totally makes no sense that they would have done it this way.
Terrible.
Probably why they went with straight lip syncing or live vocal over the recorded track after this.
There USE to be a video of a live TV performance of the DC5 on youtube. To put it bluntly, it SUCKED. But I don't really blame the band, I blame the sound engineer for his microphone placement.
@@bjbell52 Nobody sounded good on TV back then. The Beatles would work with the crews to get good balance, but TV always compressed bands at anything beyond than low to moderate volume.
As for the DC5, Clark was fanatical that they only did lipsynch on TV.
The lower payment for that type of performance endeared the band to TV bookers who did not want to pony up five digit fees for the first gen UK groups.
@@pjriverdale8461 As I said before, there use to be a video of probably the earliest TV shows the DC5 did and the sound was really horrible due to poor mic placement. Sometimes they gave Mike and Lenny live mics for the vocals. Also, early on they use to go to a local studio and make a backing track to be played on the show and then added live vocals (source : Lenny Davidson).
One of the worst drummers ever. What would Buddy Rich or Gene Krupa say?
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Dave Clark hade had ten times the arrogance of Buddy Rich with hundred times less skill on the drums
Well to be fair to DC, he admitted in an interview that he KNEW he would NEVER be another Buddy Rich. You do understand the Rich and Krupa were musicians who made it to the music industry where the DC5 where amatures who were NOT trying to make it and didn't even quit their day jobs until they had 2 top 10 hits.
Drums were my second instrument. I took lessons for two years and practiced . He is beyond awful!
Awful drumming !
@@lenb7275 Dave Clark is a multi-millionaire.....right place,right time.
Bobby Graham played drums on most of the DC5 tracks, especially the singles. Dave Clark was the producer.
Dave was "okay" live but not good enough to play the drums on a record. He ALWAYS never really hits the drums in these various videos. He kind of slaps the sticks on his legs because they are playing to a backing track. In this recording, he hits the drums and the cymbals a little in time but they are mixed TOO LOUDLY with the backing track. Anyway, Mike Smith was the real talent in the group. Lenny & Denis were pretty good, Rick was weak on the bass and was not good enough to play bass on any record.
@@lenb7275 See comment above.
I had a seizure watching this video.
what an odd mix.
No wonder you never hear "live" performances. Awful.
Clark didn't play on any of the hits as was a dreadful drummer
dave fraud Clark
You hit the nail on the head.
They had no talent. Just made a reputation hanging onto the better bands.
Disagree. Their hits were super catchy and well produced beat rock 'n' roll pop.
@frankL Don't say "THEY". Mike Smith had a WHOLE TON of talent. Dennis Payton was good on the saxophone. Lenny Davidson was good on rhythm guitar & backing vocals. In addition, they PRODUCED great records. If you don't like Dave Clark, don't put the whole group down because of it. That is a GROSS exaggeration and you know it.
@@yesterdayproductions1019 Mike Smith was enrolled in a musical college in London at the age of 13. Payton played 4 more instruments after sax. Lenny and Mike both came from a jazz group and after the DC5 broke up, Lenny went on to teach music in college. I actually got to see Mike twice before he died. One time, between songs when his backing band was setting up, he started to play some Mozart on his keyboard and he sounded fantastic.
@@bjbell52 I TOTALLY believe. In addition, the DC5 played LIVE in England BEFORE they came to America AND they did a couple LIVE American tours after they came here. A lot of groups back then did what we call a "TV mix" on television. The music was prerecorded but the vocals were live. Some groups didn't even do that. lol
@@yesterdayproductions1019 The DC5 were voted as the #1 drawing band in London around 1963.