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the video looks choppy like its dropping frames, but in the advance settings it doesn't show any drop frames and any other video looks fine, is this some kind of joke I don't understand? I'm on mobile
It kind of amazes me, given the technology of microprocessors and how precise everything needs to be, how crude the mechanism is that secures the cpu in the socket.
Thank you for showing every time how a screw should be inserted without issue. Slows down the video very slightly, but demonstrating correctness is the best kind of correct!
No kidding. We still have to tweak settings just to get voltages and heat under control. I learned more about CPUs, electrical engineering, motherboard components, etc. than I had ever anticipated since I moved to the 13700k. I can actually dork out with techies.
@@ThatArtismo I had the same experience 8 years ago with a 4790k, the immense knowledge I gained from keeping that thing at 4.7GHz and under 75c still helps me today when choosing which AMD processor to buy.
Kind of like how they didn’t enforce power standards. You think they would have learned from that whole ordeal but they continue to let others load the gun as they pull the trigger to shoot themselves in the foot.
I think intel also needs to bribe the industry somehow, to put up with that stuff. So they can't force them to throw away old stock and buy new one. Otherwise there may be the day when Intel needs to make the mobos. And that is not the most profitable business whiile also being a pain in the ass. On the bright side, it could force Intel to make boards last more generations, so they have to deal with that issue less.
Nah, I think Steve's on to something there. Their suppliers probably have millions of standard ILMs sitting on shelves and would be pissed a.f. if they could only sell those for outgoing LGA1700 boards. And as to advantages - practically all testing I've seen done on ARL was conducted on boards that use the RL-ILM, anyway. So whatever results you've seen, they could've only been worse, if that's even possible, with the standard ILM.
2:03 now _THAT_ is how you advertise. It's not intrusive, obstructing, or literally stopping you (the end user) from doing something. And again at 11:41. Great work.
Their sockets are getting so big that theyre not far off from their old HEDT socket sizes. The ILM on X99 and X299 were great, I always liked how they were double hinged and appeared to put more even pressure down across the entire CPU.
That would imply them being able to at least innovate by proxy. I'd doubt even that by now, considering they've thrown everything available at ARL and still came up short.
Steve, you and your techs are a rare blessing for the consumer community. I'm not a fan of subscriptions, but you keep making awesome shirts and I'll keep buying them!
Whenever they make a new one, there are usually enough pins left unused from the last socket that it would easily make up the difference if they put some thought into it. Look at coffeetime with Coffee Lake, there is often not a legitimate reason to require a new socket, other than forced obsolesce.
@@celeriumlerium8266Exactly. But that's what they've always done, and since they've demonstrated a complete inability to learn from their mistakes for about the last decade, I wouldn't expect them to learn now. Remember, the last time they actually demonstrated learning from mistakes was when they unceremoniously buried NetBurst because AMD was suddenly kicking their asses left, right and center. Core was a massive leap back then and ultimately cemented their leadership position for more than a decade. Alder Lake should have been like that, but it wasn't. Arrow Lake *needed* to be that, but it isn't, either. I'm not so certain they'll get a third chance after blowing two already.
it became normal in the IT world that you have to buy a contact frame for 5$, it looked like nobody care about the intel lack of quality, thank you intel we'll now have cpu bend test !
Intel: "default" GN: "I do not think this word means what you think it means"... Hey Steve, could you add the outline of the CPU to the pressure graphs? It's difficult to tell on some of them (17:31 in particular) whether the perimeter of the IHS is seeing any contact at all.
Alexander valdemir kowaliuk here, I sincerely appreciate the scientific approach to tech that your doing I don't understand how it could be done in any other way yet your one of the few that are doing more than just reading the box spec's which I'm very able to accomplish on my own , so thank you again, I hope to see one episode on finding deals on used gaming laptops it's what I'm in the market for and with prices as high as they are regular people like myself literally can't buy a new system if I had to .
Thank you, Steve. These videos you make are incredibly interesting and very well done. It's so cool that there are people willing to put this much time into a somewhat obscure, yet important, subject.
Mostly this matters so much because of 100 watt+ TDP. Congrats Intel. In countries with a 30+ct/kwh energy price buying Intel is like burning money. I love the new efficiency testing here at GN; it really shows the divide between compute/watt values.
For me the power consumption is also a matter of how reasonable I can keep the system quiet. If I can simply do it with a 120mm tower cooler, that makes me happy and keeps my PC at a reasonable size. And I agree about the power prices. While efficiency under full load is important, I also care about idle consumption, because my pc spends most time with little to do. And Intel doesn't do well in that regard either. Even with systems like the N100 based ones.
@@heyarnoThat's exactly my reasoning for going 7800X3D. Slapped a Peerless Assassin on there (already overkill, honestly) and called it a day, noise-wise. And yes, AMDs idle power consumption may be a little higher out of the box than some Intel parts (not even all!), but with a little voltage tuning I did anyway while optimizing DRAM timings and UCLK/FCLK frquencies, that's down to single W differences, as well. Not all 7800X3D *have to* run 1.35V VSOC from EXPO settings, and that's where you can really get that idle power down, even at 6200 CL28.
Unrelated question: +2 years ago, you guys picked up a fan tester. Whatever happened to it? I don't recall seeing any content after you got it operational.
Steve, I'm not buying any new computer components at the moment but I still watch GN as you are a shining star on the internet. Keep doing what you do 😁
Mostly due to the fact that as cpu makers use smaller nanometer etches, there is less tolerances allowed. Kind of like building a house with paper walls, any heat, electrical or mechanical variances can punch a hole through the walls. Apple kind of avoids many of these issues by soldering the cpu and memory onto their own boards. Not saying I am a fan of that. but it gives them an advantage.
@@ivanixdevon7526 I would say that with hardware it's happening as with software: that the priority is to make a quick fudge rather than a conscientious manufacture; all in the pursuit of launching new models every 6 months, lest the investor gets scared/pissed off. And this has led to a situation where everything is just a botched job on top of a botched job.
Damn it, Steve, i was actually worried when i saw that limp.....then again, we all used to be Intel fanboys until we took an Arrowlake to the knee....and wallets
If you are TLDR: *Up to* (pressure test) 1.7C difference (58.9C, 61.5C) i.e. just get any motherboard you can afford as there is minimal difference in the ILM types.
It's crazy that Steve can speak Chinese and is in Texas where I'd assume there would be some Latin community but can't read "Lotes" (that'd be something like loh-tess) hahaha Edit: Extra. "Lote" means "lot" as in "parking lot" not "lot" as in quantity. Lotes would be the plural. "Aurebesh & Klingon professional, defeated by simple Spanish", the headline read. Jokes aside, I doubt it's Spanish. Great video, these technical things are super interesting (when done by someone like you, so it's entertaining and we also learn). Must be a lot of work for the testing, the research and all.
Genuine question, why don’t motherboards have a full contact frame flip style ILM? Like it still flips open and has a latch but instead of 2 little pressure points it’s the whole area or at least the whole ihs tabs?
It isn't a solution that Intel has officially 'cleared' or rolled-out, so motherboard vendors stick with the options Intel and AMD typically vet and provide. If they had the freedom to deviate (they may, we're not sure), the answer is probably a much more boring one of simply cost.
@@GamersNexus they don't have that freedom on desktop boards, at least if they continue the practice they did in previous generations they do have that freedom on experimental and HPC boards; but selling a research board to end customers has significant tax implications
@@GamersNexus sorry to tag you but I forgot the 2nd part of this yesterday. Can I add a foam adhesive pad to the standard ILM and then have a reduced load one? Seems like that’s all they did then that’d be easier and I wouldn’t have to hunt for a specific motherboard.
CPU cooler manufacturers started to include full contact frames in their mounting hardware. My Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 ARGB came with a contact frame for Intel LGA1700/1851.
Watched until the end before commenting, first of all, the Blender renders look phenomenal. Second, as if the confusing naming scheme and taking an Arrow (Lake) in the knee wasn’t bad enough now there’s multiple different socket ILMs? Sacre bleu chateaupape du neuf, why Intel WHY???
always love your content and humor, especiaeamlly cutting away from yourself and towards anyone else in the room, very funny. anyway, I heard Arrow Lake was a really good content CPU and being a content creator and not a gamer would it be a fair question to ask whether it would be a good choice for me in my next build?
Asus coldplate isn't a bruteforce, it's simply an old design, that worked best with pre-Alder Lake CPUs, that were concave precisely in the center of the IHS.
GamersNexus: "I promise to put the meme in the laser and mechanical testing of the Intel ILMs video." Me: feels betrayed and forsaken 😥 you promised... (that was your top comment on the review video and you still forgot...)
Here's what I don't get: Steve, you and Vince recreated that scene from Ghost polishing that CPU ILM, so- what is the point of having a "flat" ILM if it bends during installation? I find it hard to believe a curved ILM and a curved cold-plate on a cooler offer better cooling under 100 pounds of pressure than a dead-flat, dead-smooth ILM would matching up to a dead-flat, dead-smooth cooler cold-plate under 5 pounds of force. Steve, could you "dummy mount" a tower cooler, under tension, to get it to bend (preload it), then mill it flat, do the same with a CPU, and test them in such a fashion? My bottom line- if TIM (paste) is meant to fill micro scratches, how the hell does it work with non-micro bends?
I imagine the issue with that is you would need a torque screwdriver to perfectly screw it in with the same tension each time; each time the CPU is removed and reinserted it could possibly have a different curve to it otherwise.
Splave actually cut up a mainboard down to the ILM part and mounted the CPU for lapping. You can also just use a contact frame to replace the ILM completely, this equalizes the pressure.
Neat. Thanks for the info, curious if theres any vibration issues from heatsinks with fans, and the socket mountings? Pressure distribution is one thing, but adding in, any vibration effects from the fans gyrating might be a factor also? Also, Orientation of the mobo in the case? (Whether the heatsink lays flat, or 90⁰ on the case sidewall..) One thing ive noticed over the years of working on pcs.. the motherboards, flexing when installing parts like ram sticks etc.. but some of the heatsinks look fairly weighty, how that effects longevity and tolerances on boards and designs..?
14:09, It might be good to do an adjusted false color image so that all the images fall on the same scale. That would help make it clear how much flatter one thing is than the other.
This seems like a Hotfix done for the issues with 14th Gen CPU's dying and them still speculating why it was getting cooked, so they assumed the waver/CPU could have bend issues and thus die, so they designed the next gen with in mind of it only to find out later it was not this issue, but the Firmware/Temperature issue...
The cad animations are very helpful for me to understand what your talking about with complex ideas made easy to understand, thank you. Alexander valdemir kowaliuk.
Y'all are awesome for testing and showing us this! Ps have u considered talking about Nvme issues? I was gonna buy one but found out about issues, and not just for the Samsung 990 Pro. (Eg phison e18 controllers had a problem).
I heard you're heading to Cali to play with Jayztwocents in Dec. That should be fun, my two favorite youtubers in the same house for a couple of days (Jay is my second favorite).
I can see so many people ruining their motherboards when they try and do this without a test bench to rest the motherboard on. The CPU can still easily fall out while changing the backplate, so it might be a good idea to fix it in place with a piece of tape so you don't accidently touch the inside of the socket.
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The bowled CPU is like an Intel "Lake". The electrons are like the fish. The more fish you can hold, the more power it has? 🤔
An arrow to the knee also means to getting married, just so you know.
Edit: if you knew that: congrats!
the video looks choppy like its dropping frames, but in the advance settings it doesn't show any drop frames and any other video looks fine, is this some kind of joke I don't understand? I'm on mobile
The video is not dropping frames. It's on your side.
It's still 15th gen to me, though I saw a Core Ultra commercial yesterday and can see the marketing at work.
Hope your knee recovers from this... thank you for your dedication making these dangerous videos.
It was painful, but I was willing to take an arrow to the knee for the meme.
If it hits his head, would it be called "Arrow (to the) head"
@@C_rrptdI'm going to allow this
You never recover from an arrow to knee.
@@C_rrptd Despite being called Arrow Lake, they removed the curve to hold a pool of water in the cpu
I’ll never understand intel
It kind of amazes me, given the technology of microprocessors and how precise everything needs to be, how crude the mechanism is that secures the cpu in the socket.
There is the one AMD uses on threadripper skus
At the same time, we'd better not complain too much or it'll go BGA!
@@GamersNexus
Exception being the reused Alibaba boards using random scavenged laptop chips
@@Demopans5990On the opposite end of the spectrum, there are Xeon CPUs which just use the cooler to keep the CPU in place LOL.
@@SolarianStrike That is kinda genius on some level, should result in some very even pressure
going on a cpu bender now are we?
Thank you for showing every time how a screw should be inserted without issue. Slows down the video very slightly, but demonstrating correctness is the best kind of correct!
I didn't think Intel knew what "Default" meant, considering their power recommendations for 13th and 14th gen processors.
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No kidding. We still have to tweak settings just to get voltages and heat under control. I learned more about CPUs, electrical engineering, motherboard components, etc. than I had ever anticipated since I moved to the 13700k.
I can actually dork out with techies.
@@GamersNexus haha 250w go BRRRRRRRR
@@ThatArtismoso what you're telling me is Intel helped with tech literacy! 😂
@@ThatArtismo I had the same experience 8 years ago with a 4790k, the immense knowledge I gained from keeping that thing at 4.7GHz and under 75c still helps me today when choosing which AMD processor to buy.
0:58 "Dont get bloody, cut towards a buddy."
It's bizarre Intel didn't enforce the RL-ILM. They really should use every advantage they can get right now.
Kind of like how they didn’t enforce power standards. You think they would have learned from that whole ordeal but they continue to let others load the gun as they pull the trigger to shoot themselves in the foot.
I think intel also needs to bribe the industry somehow, to put up with that stuff.
So they can't force them to throw away old stock and buy new one.
Otherwise there may be the day when Intel needs to make the mobos.
And that is not the most profitable business whiile also being a pain in the ass.
On the bright side, it could force Intel to make boards last more generations, so they have to deal with that issue less.
Maybe next time.
Nah, I think Steve's on to something there. Their suppliers probably have millions of standard ILMs sitting on shelves and would be pissed a.f. if they could only sell those for outgoing LGA1700 boards. And as to advantages - practically all testing I've seen done on ARL was conducted on boards that use the RL-ILM, anyway. So whatever results you've seen, they could've only been worse, if that's even possible, with the standard ILM.
@@danieloberhofer9035 This is the correct answer. The last thing Intel needs is for their partners start push non Intel products more
2:03 now _THAT_ is how you advertise. It's not intrusive, obstructing, or literally stopping you (the end user) from doing something.
And again at 11:41. Great work.
I used to be a tech enthusiast like you, but then I took an Arrow Lake to knee.
Intel* to knee >:)
@@kopazwashere cringe.
how old do you need to be
arrow leg
Every time I hear "ILM," my brain inserts "Industrial Light & Magic."
Every time.
I have always loved the way epyc processors slide in and tighten down
Plus the orange torque tool included and that fantastic click that tells you that it has the perfect tightness on the screw.
@@EXG21 Haha I never got any torque tool with my epycs but I did with my og threadripper 1950x and just used that for all of them :D
12:45 the angle on the images looks so nice!
Thanks!
Their sockets are getting so big that theyre not far off from their old HEDT socket sizes. The ILM on X99 and X299 were great, I always liked how they were double hinged and appeared to put more even pressure down across the entire CPU.
Only 3 more generations until intel comes out with contact frames while claiming it to be a new revolutionary part
That would imply them being able to at least innovate by proxy.
I'd doubt even that by now, considering they've thrown everything available at ARL and still came up short.
Take a shot every time ILM is mentioned. Call your local hospital immediately.
Steve, you and your techs are a rare blessing for the consumer community. I'm not a fan of subscriptions, but you keep making awesome shirts and I'll keep buying them!
I absolutely love the little things Steve does in his vids like the arrow bit. Never stop being awesome !
He should be standing by a real lake in that shot with the arrow's shadow on the water....🤪
For a company that puts out a new socket every year, they sure struggle with making them right.
Whenever they make a new one, there are usually enough pins left unused from the last socket that it would easily make up the difference if they put some thought into it. Look at coffeetime with Coffee Lake, there is often not a legitimate reason to require a new socket, other than forced obsolesce.
Mo sockets mo problems 😂
@@celeriumlerium8266Exactly. But that's what they've always done, and since they've demonstrated a complete inability to learn from their mistakes for about the last decade, I wouldn't expect them to learn now.
Remember, the last time they actually demonstrated learning from mistakes was when they unceremoniously buried NetBurst because AMD was suddenly kicking their asses left, right and center. Core was a massive leap back then and ultimately cemented their leadership position for more than a decade. Alder Lake should have been like that, but it wasn't. Arrow Lake *needed* to be that, but it isn't, either. I'm not so certain they'll get a third chance after blowing two already.
lmao I can't get enough of those hexagon boxes "discreetly" placed in the shot. I hope this becomes a running gag for the next several months.
Ok, the arrow in the knee got a chuckle from me. Thanks, Steve.
BGA on Intel wouldn´t be a problem at all. If you buy an Intel CPU the next interesting generation is already on a new socket anyway.
it became normal in the IT world that you have to buy a contact frame for 5$, it looked like nobody care about the intel lack of quality, thank you intel we'll now have cpu bend test !
Intel: "default"
GN: "I do not think this word means what you think it means"...
Hey Steve, could you add the outline of the CPU to the pressure graphs? It's difficult to tell on some of them (17:31 in particular) whether the perimeter of the IHS is seeing any contact at all.
Alexander valdemir kowaliuk here, I sincerely appreciate the scientific approach to tech that your doing I don't understand how it could be done in any other way yet your one of the few that are doing more than just reading the box spec's which I'm very able to accomplish on my own , so thank you again, I hope to see one episode on finding deals on used gaming laptops it's what I'm in the market for and with prices as high as they are regular people like myself literally can't buy a new system if I had to .
I see what you did there, great reference to hardware unboxed video. Thanks Steve!
Making it optional is probably so motherboard manufacturers can use existing stock of the S-ILM.
After 15 years I still chuckle at those knee jokes
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I refuse to believe it's been 13 years already.
Has it been 10 years already? Damn we are getting old
It's astonishing to me that Intel still struggles with this when AMD figured it out decades ago. I have never bent an AMD CPU.
So that's where my arrow went, was looking for it. Thanks, Steve
That opening joke was subtle and well done good stuff 🤣
The quality of these investigations continue to surprise me, and they keep improving even further. Many thanks!
Thanks Steve! Glad you survived that arrow in the knee.
2:09 AYY PUT THAT BACK!!
Glad to see Steve's retiring from Adventuring and becoming a Town Guard.
Thank you, Steve. These videos you make are incredibly interesting and very well done. It's so cool that there are people willing to put this much time into a somewhat obscure, yet important, subject.
Thanks Steve!
It is always nice to see your attention to detail
Peaceful Skies+
Mostly this matters so much because of 100 watt+ TDP. Congrats Intel. In countries with a 30+ct/kwh energy price buying Intel is like burning money. I love the new efficiency testing here at GN; it really shows the divide between compute/watt values.
For me the power consumption is also a matter of how reasonable I can keep the system quiet. If I can simply do it with a 120mm tower cooler, that makes me happy and keeps my PC at a reasonable size. And I agree about the power prices. While efficiency under full load is important, I also care about idle consumption, because my pc spends most time with little to do. And Intel doesn't do well in that regard either. Even with systems like the N100 based ones.
@@heyarnoThat's exactly my reasoning for going 7800X3D. Slapped a Peerless Assassin on there (already overkill, honestly) and called it a day, noise-wise.
And yes, AMDs idle power consumption may be a little higher out of the box than some Intel parts (not even all!), but with a little voltage tuning I did anyway while optimizing DRAM timings and UCLK/FCLK frquencies, that's down to single W differences, as well. Not all 7800X3D *have to* run 1.35V VSOC from EXPO settings, and that's where you can really get that idle power down, even at 6200 CL28.
Who else is watching Steve talk about the subpar "200 series" CPUs they are not going to be buying?
"THANKS STEVE"
Sheesh just imagine how much more we'd all be getting screwed over without channels like this!
Unrelated question: +2 years ago, you guys picked up a fan tester. Whatever happened to it? I don't recall seeing any content after you got it operational.
Working on it as of recently!
@@GamersNexusoh nice we really need better fan testing to see why some brand ask for insane price for fans nowadays
If/when its working, please test nonstandard thickness fans [15mm/30mm]
Noctua's LBC G2, not to be confused with SD's LBC. 8:29 love it.
“I use to be an adventurer like you, then I took an arrow to the knee”
- Guard
Steve, I'm not buying any new computer components at the moment but I still watch GN as you are a shining star on the internet. Keep doing what you do 😁
Very SUBTLE on the product placement. Love you guys!
Is it me or does everything get more absurd with each generation of CPUs is released?
Mostly due to the fact that as cpu makers use smaller nanometer etches, there is less tolerances allowed. Kind of like building a house with paper walls, any heat, electrical or mechanical variances can punch a hole through the walls. Apple kind of avoids many of these issues by soldering the cpu and memory onto their own boards. Not saying I am a fan of that. but it gives them an advantage.
@@ivanixdevon7526 I would say that with hardware it's happening as with software: that the priority is to make a quick fudge rather than a conscientious manufacture; all in the pursuit of launching new models every 6 months, lest the investor gets scared/pissed off.
And this has led to a situation where everything is just a botched job on top of a botched job.
There's way too much pressure these days. We sure need Steve's sanity in the midst of all this madness
Damn it, Steve, i was actually worried when i saw that limp.....then again, we all used to be Intel fanboys until we took an Arrowlake to the knee....and wallets
This is why I believe pins on the cpu were better overall. We never experienced these issues in years past.
Congrats on getting married dude!!!
That's cool you can see the text printed on it
Best solution is to just get AMD.
If you are TLDR: *Up to* (pressure test) 1.7C difference (58.9C, 61.5C) i.e. just get any motherboard you can afford as there is minimal difference in the ILM types.
And if it's not RL-ILM polish the burs on the ILM wings. (removing before polishing ofc)
Or/and add performance RL shims when reinstalling :D
It's crazy that Steve can speak Chinese and is in Texas where I'd assume there would be some Latin community but can't read "Lotes" (that'd be something like loh-tess) hahaha
Edit: Extra. "Lote" means "lot" as in "parking lot" not "lot" as in quantity. Lotes would be the plural.
"Aurebesh & Klingon professional, defeated by simple Spanish", the headline read. Jokes aside, I doubt it's Spanish.
Great video, these technical things are super interesting (when done by someone like you, so it's entertaining and we also learn). Must be a lot of work for the testing, the research and all.
15:38 that cold plate must be happy to see you :P
New shirt looking good 👍
Thanks!
I get GOOSEBUMPS everytime you say RL. Crazy!!
Genuine question, why don’t motherboards have a full contact frame flip style ILM? Like it still flips open and has a latch but instead of 2 little pressure points it’s the whole area or at least the whole ihs tabs?
It isn't a solution that Intel has officially 'cleared' or rolled-out, so motherboard vendors stick with the options Intel and AMD typically vet and provide. If they had the freedom to deviate (they may, we're not sure), the answer is probably a much more boring one of simply cost.
@@GamersNexus they don't have that freedom on desktop boards, at least if they continue the practice they did in previous generations
they do have that freedom on experimental and HPC boards; but selling a research board to end customers has significant tax implications
I’d pay an extra .35 cents (manufacturer cost) on a 500$ + motherboard for a ILM that has more contact area.
@@GamersNexus sorry to tag you but I forgot the 2nd part of this yesterday. Can I add a foam adhesive pad to the standard ILM and then have a reduced load one? Seems like that’s all they did then that’d be easier and I wouldn’t have to hunt for a specific motherboard.
CPU cooler manufacturers started to include full contact frames in their mounting hardware. My Arctic Liquid Freezer III 280 ARGB came with a contact frame for Intel LGA1700/1851.
the arrow brought back some fusrodah memories
Steve doing a video like this, knowing that no one will buy Error Lake, shows extreme dedication to his craft.
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Watched until the end before commenting, first of all, the Blender renders look phenomenal. Second, as if the confusing naming scheme and taking an Arrow (Lake) in the knee wasn’t bad enough now there’s multiple different socket ILMs? Sacre bleu chateaupape du neuf, why Intel WHY???
always love your content and humor, especiaeamlly cutting away from yourself and towards anyone else in the room, very funny. anyway, I heard Arrow Lake was a really good content CPU and being a content creator and not a gamer would it be a fair question to ask whether it would be a good choice for me in my next build?
I was six minutes into this video before I realised I have absolutely no intention of buying an Intel CPU in the foreseeable future.
Asus coldplate isn't a bruteforce, it's simply an old design, that worked best with pre-Alder Lake CPUs, that were concave precisely in the center of the IHS.
Being from Long Beach, I laughed at the LBC/Snoop Dogg reference 😅
GamersNexus: "I promise to put the meme in the laser and mechanical testing of the Intel ILMs video."
Me: feels betrayed and forsaken 😥 you promised...
(that was your top comment on the review video and you still forgot...)
Great Work GN! Fascinating!
Man these things are becoming so damn complicated and intricate
Here's what I don't get: Steve, you and Vince recreated that scene from Ghost polishing that CPU ILM, so- what is the point of having a "flat" ILM if it bends during installation? I find it hard to believe a curved ILM and a curved cold-plate on a cooler offer better cooling under 100 pounds of pressure than a dead-flat, dead-smooth ILM would matching up to a dead-flat, dead-smooth cooler cold-plate under 5 pounds of force. Steve, could you "dummy mount" a tower cooler, under tension, to get it to bend (preload it), then mill it flat, do the same with a CPU, and test them in such a fashion? My bottom line- if TIM (paste) is meant to fill micro scratches, how the hell does it work with non-micro bends?
I imagine the issue with that is you would need a torque screwdriver to perfectly screw it in with the same tension each time; each time the CPU is removed and reinserted it could possibly have a different curve to it otherwise.
@@TheGinGear The point is that the two pieces should start flat, come together flat, and stay flat when torqued to spec. THAT makes sense.
Splave actually cut up a mainboard down to the ILM part and mounted the CPU for lapping. You can also just use a contact frame to replace the ILM completely, this equalizes the pressure.
Thermal expansion 😮
How do you ensure perfect screw and counterpart threading? 😂 @@TheGinGear
nice work as always, info we did not know we needed to know!
GN videos are really start to edge on the "I'm angry I am understanding all of this" territory
Neat. Thanks for the info, curious if theres any vibration issues from heatsinks with fans, and the socket mountings? Pressure distribution is one thing, but adding in, any vibration effects from the fans gyrating might be a factor also?
Also, Orientation of the mobo in the case? (Whether the heatsink lays flat, or 90⁰ on the case sidewall..)
One thing ive noticed over the years of working on pcs.. the motherboards, flexing when installing parts like ram sticks etc.. but some of the heatsinks look fairly weighty, how that effects longevity and tolerances on boards and designs..?
14:09, It might be good to do an adjusted false color image so that all the images fall on the same scale.
That would help make it clear how much flatter one thing is than the other.
this could all be avoided and save everyone time & money if they just used contact frames as a standard for mounting lga chips.
Almost forgot that Intel CPU's bend LMAO! How bad does it have to get before Intel start making competitive quality CPU's?
7:57 if anyone can bring feeling to tech it's you tech Jesus 😊
Thanks Steve. See you on November 1st!
....Wait....
😂😂
This seems like a Hotfix done for the issues with 14th Gen CPU's dying and them still speculating why it was getting cooked, so they assumed the waver/CPU could have bend issues and thus die, so they designed the next gen with in mind of it only to find out later it was not this issue, but the Firmware/Temperature issue...
Never saw the abbreviation ILM.
At first I thought it was short for "I Like Midriffs"
The cad animations are very helpful for me to understand what your talking about with complex ideas made easy to understand, thank you. Alexander valdemir kowaliuk.
i was drinking water when i saw Steve pulled an arrow out of his knee. XD
Steve always takes one for the team. Even arrows
The LBC Snoop Dogg reference made my day.
20:20 I was close to have a heart attack
Steve wearing a light shirt messed with me way more than it should have ... Maybe I've done dark mode a little too much
Wow! A new product coming out November 1st? I wonder what it could be? ;) Guess you were planning to release this one a bit earlier.
grate video mate. I wonder if there will be a frame that will come out like the 1700 Motherboard
Y'all are awesome for testing and showing us this!
Ps have u considered talking about Nvme issues? I was gonna buy one but found out about issues, and not just for the Samsung 990 Pro. (Eg phison e18 controllers had a problem).
Thanks, steve
Steve used to be an adventurer...
I heard you're heading to Cali to play with Jayztwocents in Dec. That should be fun, my two favorite youtubers in the same house for a couple of days (Jay is my second favorite).
Steve used to be an enthusiastic consumer, but then he took an arrow to the knee. Now he is an enthusiastic gaurd of everday consumers.
Took an arrow for the team 😮
I can see so many people ruining their motherboards when they try and do this without a test bench to rest the motherboard on. The CPU can still easily fall out while changing the backplate, so it might be a good idea to fix it in place with a piece of tape so you don't accidently touch the inside of the socket.
Torture test has a whole new meaning now that Steve has me convinced that my CPU can certainly feel feelings
Missed der8uer coverage of this by a week. TLDW is you still need a frame for memory overclocking and it also drops temps 4-7c.
should've enforced the RL-ILM on all board partners, Intel.
8:29 missed a freestyle opportunity there 😂