During the voice recordings, Sam Witwer had reportedly corrected Director Dave Filoni on a script error. In the original script, Anakin was suppose to talk with his deceased mother on meeting his wife, Padme. In the studio, Sam had pointed out the flaw in the script as Anakin's mother had already met Padme prior in The Phantom Menace.
Don't worry guys. When George was telling Dave about the Mortis Arc even he was like wtf? And yes most arcs are 3-4 episodes. A reset for every arc would be ideal. I just hope full group is available for 5x16-20 and 7x9-12
Two fun facts about this episode. - One, the voice cast for this episode is stacked! Not only did Liam Neeson return as Qui-Gon, but so did Pernilla August as Shmi! On top of that, the Son and the Daughter are voiced by the voices of Starkiller and Maris Brood from The Force Unleashed respectively. -Two, during the development of Last Jedi, Kathleen Kennedy had Rian Johnson meet with Dave Filoni. He recommended that Rian take inspiration from this arc.
@@duke8066 I think the understanding of the force in that movie, ie dark and light in balance, seems to be influenced by this arc. Most Star Wars stuff sees balance as getting rid of the dark side but the last Jedi took the more Taoist-influenced approach that this arc had
@@fai-pe7oq did it thought? Luke became paranoid of both Rey and Kylo for even lightly associating with the dark. He criticsed the jedi, but signs of the dark side were enough for him to be so terrified that he considered killing his nephew and stopped Training rey almost immediately if I recall correctly(been a while since I watched it). Could you elaborate where the more balanced approach was part of the themes?
This trilogy is a watershed in Star Wars history, it brings a lot to the canon thanks to Filoni who introduces many aspects to the Force such as the Night Sisters, animals and gods who use the force. Those portals in the throne room...
I don’t think it’s as simple as the son being the embodiment of the dark side or the daughter the light, I think they both have certain personalities that lead them to a certain side of the force but their actions show that it’s not as simple as one being evil and good.
Yeah, IIRC, The "Ones" are also Celestials who sort of mantled the force--towards the direction they had a proclivity towards (or did they bathe in sacred pools, I can't remember.)
@@L0L246 Not really. Legends was never as canon as Lucasfilm now treats their canon. Lucas said time and time and time again how the Expanded Universe _was not his vision for Star Wars_ and that he barely ever read any of it. Hell, The Clone Wars itself completely overwrites several EU works, namely the Republic Commando books and the original Battlefront 2 campaign. And while I don't know if he ever specifically talked about his feelings on the expansion of the Mortis stuff, such as their expanded history and Abeloth, he did make it especially known that he did not really agree with the direction of post-ROTJ Expanded Universe (which is where most of the expanded Mortis stuff comes from). The reason he allowed it is because he simply always said that there were two Star Wars universes. His universe, and the universe of the books, comics, and games. They were always alternate universes and time and time again he would prove this mindset by walking over whatever was "canon" in the EU at the time as he pleased. He did it with the prequels, he did it with The Clone Wars, and if you read his ideas for the Sequel Trilogy it's clear he would have done it again for the post-ROTJ era.
“What about the mother” ? …. 😏 well, in the extended universe that’s a completely different story with Luke that’s DEFINITELY worth checking out if u like reading 😅
@@PicklesTheDefiler technically yes… In the EU at least BUTTTTT you could argue palps in dark empire was more intelligent therefore a bigger threat but ye Abeloth in force power is ranked #1
Sam Witwer (The Son) used influences from other actors who played Sith Lords to create the voice of his character. A strong influence of Ian McDiarmid's character (Darth Sidious) can be heard in his voice. Witwer voiced the same character in the video game Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (2008)
I'm gonna be honest I really thought going into this the Normies were gonna think the Son was the person they saw in the Kenobi trailer, since they have not seen the Grand Inquisitor before. I'm not sure when they filmed this in terms of of they had seen the trailer yet, either I'm glad they didn't go off on a whole thing about that.
@@Gameguy-gk8lx The Grand Inquisitor and the Son were based on the same concept art. Dave Filoni mentioned that he didn't realize they had already used it when creating the GI
Fun fact : in legends the mother was a mortal that was loved by the three of them,but she started to die so she drank/bathed in wellsprings of both light and dark force , she unintentionally became a murderous Lovecraft monster. (Correct me if I got anything wrong,it been awhile)
Gray Jedi are not a thing and never have been. Ahsoka is not one, she's just a force user. Jedi and Sith are religions with specific dogma, but they are not the light side and dark side.
@@MarcusWB if any of the comics show the existence of Grey Jedi, then it will still be dumb. It would also imply that there is such thing as a Grey Sith, which is equally dumb. The Jedi and Sith are both religions. That's like saying that there is such thing as a Grey Buddhist, Grey Christian, or even Grey Taoism
I'm so conflicted about the Kenobi series right now. On the one hand, I would love flashbacks to Satine, Maul, and a particular conversation with Anakin about Ahsoka in the show, but on the other hand, it will totally spoil so much about the Clone Wars if these guys watch it. But what other option is there? Wait two more years before they see Kenobi?
Something many people misunderstand that the jedi don't "own" the light side or the sith "own" the dark side. The force will be there even after all jedi and sith are gone forever. There are many species in legends but also in canon that use the force without having any connection to the sith or jedi. Both factions are just groups of religous fanatics that use the force
this is objectively false, the sith are fanatics but the jedi are not. george lucas has been clear that the jedi are 100% morally right. and the only the dark side is a carruption of the force.
@@houseofaction That's just a point of view. Just because the sith are more radical doesn't mean the jedi can't be fanatics. Ofc the sith are "morally" incorrect because they don't see murder, torture etc. As crimes. But the jedi code has a lot of flaws aswell. I would argue that the "white jedi" are the once who truly understand what the force is.
Sam Witwer is the voice actor for the Son and he also voiced StarKiller and Darth Sidious in the Force Unleashed video game, he also will voiced a very important character later down the line.
This part of the lore almost made it to Episode IX. When Colin Trevorrow wrote the script he included the Mortis Gods but then JJ Abrahams discarded his ideas and basically made Episode VI 2.0
16:00 In Legends, there was...for a time. To oversimplify it, back when they where still living in the galaxy, there was a mortal woman serving them who helped keep the peace between the Son and the Daughter becoming part of the family. But as she grew old, she sought to extend her life out of love for her immortal family. She ended up drinking from the Font of Power and bathing in the Pool of Knowledge. This gave her great command over the Dark Side and the Light Side as well as eternal life but also drove her insane transforming her into an entity known as Abeloth. The Ones eventually had to seal her away with the help from another ancient species, the Kiliks, a bug-species from Alderaan. She would break out a few times but always be put back in prison eventually ending up in the Maw, a remote area of the galaxy. Eventually, and the following is a VERY oversimplified version, she would seemingly be killed by a coalition between Luke Skywalker, the Lost Tribe of Sith, which were the descendens of survivors of the Sith Genocide performed by the Republic and the Jedi after the Great Hyperspace War who crashed on a remote planet and ended up forgetting how to travel the stars hence why they managed to survive until long after the Empire fell, and Darth Krayt, an Order 66 survivor turned Sith who was in hiding building a new Sith Order to eventually take over the galaxy (which he tried about a hundred years later).
Yes! You guys finally made it to the Mortis arc. I've been looking forward to this for so long. These are my favorite episodes. You will all enjoy these!
Ahsoka in live action looks just like Ahsoka in animated series, it's just her lekku in live action are shorter because it would be hard to doing all the action with longer lekku
Fun fact: in the Expanded Universe, it was revealed that... there was also the Mother. However, she got corrupted by the Dark Side like the Son except even worse, to the point that Father, Son and Daughter imprisoned her on another plan, setting up gravity stations to keep her contained. Aaaand about 40 years after Return of the Jedi she escaped, and Luke and his Jedi Order tried to track her down and fight her, at the same time working together with a new Sith group and fighting them when they betrayed them... and we will never learn the conclusion to that story because after Disney bought Star Wars they declared the Expanded Universe non-canon and the writers stopped working on that.
@@peralta8013 I don't hate it but the quality range is all over the place, which is definitely the most common opinion I've personally seen. There's stuff like the Ethan series and Bane Trilogy, Plageius, and then you have chutulu monsters and Luuuke the clone.
Unfortunately Luke isn't a grey jedi, it isn't canon - even during the star wars expanded universe days it's status was a bit dodgy - it was term that came up in some of the games and fans really blew it up because we all like a morally grey protag. there are some jedi and sith who have left their order and are no longer as dogmatic as they once were but they are considered light side or dark side force users. I guess the problem is according to the lore, once you start using the darkside it corrupts you so you can't become grey, you just become a darkside user.
@@percussionfellow6168 a force sensitive is someone untrained. A jedi who has stepped down from the order can be described as a force user or wielder. Also canonically the term for people who don't agree with the council and wish to go their own way are called Wayseekers. Grey jedi aren't canon because of the whole using the dark side and lightside part, which doesn't work with established lore, although I think a lot of fans like to consider it canon in their hearts lol
@@GiantDivineMoth Yeah you can use the force and not be a jedi or a sith. Jedi and Sith are specific philosophies. Not every darkside user is a sith, not every light side user is a jedi. Hell The term Light Side didn't even exist in original canon it was invented when the video games started being made years later
So this family was actually crucial to maintaining the balance. After the events of the next episode, (I'll keep it vague as not to spoil it) but since Anakin decided to leave, what he didn't know is that every force user in his universe then must make a conscious effort to keep the balance. Anakin's son, Luke, discovers this. (And this is why I love legends, it all connects and I think holds so much more potential for great Star Wars cinematic story telling but maybe that's just me.) Luke was traveling with his son Ben when they encountered a dark creature named Abeloth. During this time, Jedi in the New Republic were suddenly becoming sick with reverse imposter syndrome and posing a danger to people around them. While Luke and Ben were looking for answers about this, Abeloth briefly told them that the Jedi and Sith always had misconceptions about 'balance'. And that, since Anakin didn't stay behind on that planet, the true balance was in the hands of the living populations. After realizing this, Luke and his son Ben spearheads one of his many new trailblazing ideologies: that Jedi must be peacekeepers with the Sith as well. Of course, not allowing mass destruction, but to maintain the balance.
Back in the day, George Lucas and the Jedi thought that the dark side was a cancer in the force that needed to be expunged to restore balance. But later writers advocated for a more nuanced balance where the Daoist influence really shows, with the light and dark sides being two extremes, only by being in true balance with the universe do you tap into the full power of the Force.
Except balance is still the end of the dark side, Disney's the one who changed it, same as Rey being the Chosen One now. The Mortis arc was all about the wrong idea of the balance.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 As the Father said, too much of either side is bad. Just look at the Jedi ; no Sith for a thousand years and they rested on their laurels and got into politics. Then the Sith manage to enact a thousand year plan almost flawlessly and destroy the Jedi and the Republic.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 George Lucas is the one that defined "balance" for the Mortis Arc. So to say that he got it wrong when his word was the ultimate authority on the matter makes no sense at all. If you disagreed with his definition after watching it then _you_ got it wrong. As the one that introduced the concept and decided to explore it further he was incapable of getting it wrong as he was the source of the information. You not liking it does nothing to change that.
@@DovahFett The literal point of the arc was the father being wrong for what he thought balance was, trying actually watching the behind the scenes for the show, lol.
16:00 There is a Mother. Her name is Abeloth. She breaks free from Mortis after The Father's death and becomes the Final Villain in Legends against Luke Skywalker & Darth Krayt.
What's also interesting is that when anakin tamed the dautgher and the son, it wasn't his voice that was playing as an eco in the background. It was Darth Vader's voices. We can even ear his classic breathing sound at the end of the scene 15:27 . :P
23:14 _"I'm shocked none of this ever made it to the movies."_ *~Marketa* It's my understanding the ideas _Lucas_ had shared with Disney for the sequel trilogy touched on similar elements. I believe the studio just didn't get it (or thought was too weird). 🤷🏼♂️ I've heard officially there are no _gray Jedi._ Which I initially thought was just silly. But then I came to realize that the Jedi themselves are just an organization. You can ostensibly be everything one might expect a gray Jedi to be, only you're not part of the Jedi Order. Like calling yourself a holy man but your not a priest belonging to the Catholic church. Or someone on the frontier utilizing your own methods while trying maintain law and order. But you're not an officially sanctioned sherrif, or whatever. Ultimately, if the force is everywhere, then there must be a great many force users across the galaxy that utilize it in various ways that have nothing to do with the Jedi way.
Right after Anakin gets on the ship to leave the force planet, you can hear a soft version of Darth Vader's theme before the closing credits, foreshadowing Anakin's future downfall.
2:52 In Legends, they were called "Tho Yor". They carried Force sensitive from all around the galaxy into the deep core to the planet Tython where these Force sensitives founded the Je'daii Order. The Je'daii Order, who initially belived in balance by using both the Dark and Light Side, or Bogan and Ashla, as they called them, equally eventually became the Jedi Order after the Force Wars, a conflict between those who favored the Dark Side and those who favored the Light Side (guess who won and became the Jedi).
Yessssss they are in the Mortis arc. It’s so intriguing, and I remember at some point it was confirmed there is no intended interpretation, it’s open to what you want. I can’t wait to see how they interpret all this
You guys need to search up the Ones. That’s what they are called. They have a combination of both canon and legends. The mother of the son and daughter is in Star Wars legends. She’s not in canon, but in legends
The mother is abeloth might be worth watching a quick UA-cam video on her origins. Essentially she was a being who served the father, son, and daughter, and swam in something called the font of power. She went insane and terrorized the galaxy, grandmaster Luke Skywalker amongst others defeated her I think.
This is one of the few stories that George has a LOT of involvement with. It is probably one of the most important moments in the franchise and acts as both a tool for foreshadowing and reconciliation of the galaxy's origins. It not only explains the chosen one, it details the birth of the Jedi and Sith if you are more familiar with the extended lore. The implications that Obi-wan had no idea who the Father is truly shows how far the vanity of the Jedi had grown over some
25:38 Funny you mentioned that. (First of all, this was just a rumor and I don't think this has ever been officially confirmed). When Disney was working on Episode 9, they had a meeting with George Lucas for potential story ideas and George Lucas suggested to do something with this. They didn't go through with it because unless you have seen the Clone Wars, introducing audiences to all this may be a bit overwhelming.
The mother is called abeloth and since Disney bought star wars she's isn't canon anymore. You can look her up she represents the chaotic side of the force.
15:59 There is a mother. Her name is Aboloth and she is one of the most powerful and most dangerous beings in all of Star Wars. Luke Skywalker fought her in Star Wars Legends with the help of his new Jedi Order and also with help of the Sith.
The actor that voices the Son is Sam Witwer. A name y'all will become extremely familiar throughout the rest of the Clone Wars as he also voices Maul. Also ... y'all can imagine how much fans lost our minds when this arc dropped. It is so unlike anything we had ever seen from Star Wars up to this point, and it lore drops so much information about the Force. It's an incredibly well-done story that has stuck with fans ever since. You will not look at the Force the same when you guys finish this arc.
Yeeaaaahhhhhh.... finally the Mortis arc. Dave Filoni advised Rian Johnson to watch this arc to understand the concept of balance of Force.... therefore we get that line in Last Jedi where Luke teaches Rey about the Force
@@willfanofmanyii3751 What "balance" means within Star Wars changes by the decade. Sometimes it meant no Sith. Other times it meant an equal number of Jedi and Sith, and sometimes it meant no Sith or Jedi at all but Force users that are more "grey" in their interpretation and usage of the Force.
@@DovahFett Everyone but Lucas has changed their ideas of what balance is, it's always been the Sith corrupted the force with the dark side, and by their end, the force returns to it's pure state.
One of you asked about a mother in the family. Ho boy, the Mother is the subject of a an EU/Legends series of novels called Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi. It's a wild ride.
This Arc is so crazy and cool and really dives deep into the Origin of the Force itself and how different beigns use it and how they try to manipulate it. Its verry good and interesting with much lore to discuss. These 3 are verry ancient beigns. And like the Father said they retreated into this prison so noone could harness their power. That Prison or Planet is simmilar to Dagobah (Where Yoda hides in the OT) Its a conduit of the force where it is verry powerful. To say that the Son is the embodiment of the Dark side and the Daughter of the light while the Father is the one in the middle would be to simple but you could say it that way. Also the Mother is Abeloth. A crazy almost Lovecraftian begin that is so powerfull it was imprisoned in a part of Space with many Darkholes. Also known as "The Maw" in the Universe. Its a Region of Space where there are somany Darkholes its almost impossible to navigate. And all that go there are slowly getting insane because of Abeloth. She has crazy powers that could drain the lifeforce of peopel. Its also worth watching the Featurett and the deleted scenes to this arc because of some cool cameos :D
Want to add majority of the lines that the son has said are lines that Sith have or will say throughout the star wars universe. Not all but a good majority of his lines
This is such an amazing and important arc the Last Jedi takes a lot of inspiration on the force from this arc, it’s always funny to hear people say something like “the force was so weird in TLJ George Lucas would’ve never done anything like this” and then I’m like you need to watch the Mortis arc
You're missing the point. The Mortis arc is all about the father being incorrect on what he thinks the balance is. Rian didn't get that, and TLJ suffered because of it.
Well the mother is a little bit complicated to explain. And because Abeloth is not any part of clone wars or any tv show i dont believe telling you about her is considered spoiler. So basically she was a normal human woman who crashed on that planned about 100,000 years bby(before new hope), she met the son, daughter and father and after some time she started to develop a relationship with them like a mother to the daughter and the son. After many years she started to age while the rest didnt age and she felt powerless to help her children only the father could control them when they got out of control, so she decided to drink from the Font of Power where the power of the son originated and the Pool of knowledge where the daughters powers originate. So she became powerful very powerful, but that also twisted her and she decided to controlled the son and daughter to obey her so they wont be fighting and ignoring her. The father seeing this rescued the daughter and son and left the planet. This made Abeloth mad and caused her mental state to deteriorate even more leading to her becoming a world destroying monster. The father, the son and the daughter went and got the help of a hive mind species called Killiks and instructed them how to create a project known as Centerpoint Station used to imprison her after the father, daughter and the son exhausted her by fighting her. That project was several space station forcing several black holes each at her location. In addition this prison wasn't able to hold her for very long. Every x amount of years she escaped and all 3 (father, daughter and son) had to fight her and force her back to her prison.
"Leave, and your selfishness will haunt you, and the galaxy."
*Imperial March blares as their ship flies away*
Chills
During the voice recordings, Sam Witwer had reportedly corrected Director Dave Filoni on a script error. In the original script, Anakin was suppose to talk with his deceased mother on meeting his wife, Padme. In the studio, Sam had pointed out the flaw in the script as Anakin's mother had already met Padme prior in The Phantom Menace.
Ashley Eckstein apparently even said to him she'd never seen someone out-nerd Dave like that before. 😆
Don't worry guys. When George was telling Dave about the Mortis Arc even he was like wtf? And yes most arcs are 3-4 episodes. A reset for every arc would be ideal. I just hope full group is available for 5x16-20 and 7x9-12
Couldn't agree more, but let's not forget a certain important arc in season 6 revolving around a certain ARC trooper ^^
@@dustingrimmmagic1067 Ah yes! How could I forget! Thank you for reminding me! I have a tattoo of his symbol on my wrist lol
@@laurencereyes1871 Hahaha happens to all of us man... The missions, the nightmares, theyre finally over...
Also Umbara arc is a must for everyone.
Two fun facts about this episode.
- One, the voice cast for this episode is stacked! Not only did Liam Neeson return as Qui-Gon, but so did Pernilla August as Shmi! On top of that, the Son and the Daughter are voiced by the voices of Starkiller and Maris Brood from The Force Unleashed respectively.
-Two, during the development of Last Jedi, Kathleen Kennedy had Rian Johnson meet with Dave Filoni. He recommended that Rian take inspiration from this arc.
A pity that inspiration didn't show
I think it did personally.
@@eliroth9978 Would you mind elaborating because I can see no similarity between the two what so ever
@@duke8066 I think the understanding of the force in that movie, ie dark and light in balance, seems to be influenced by this arc. Most Star Wars stuff sees balance as getting rid of the dark side but the last Jedi took the more Taoist-influenced approach that this arc had
@@fai-pe7oq did it thought? Luke became paranoid of both Rey and Kylo for even lightly associating with the dark. He criticsed the jedi, but signs of the dark side were enough for him to be so terrified that he considered killing his nephew and stopped Training rey almost immediately if I recall correctly(been a while since I watched it). Could you elaborate where the more balanced approach was part of the themes?
Anakin subduing both the Son and Daughter is the first glimpse we get of his power at its full potential.
Yes!! Finally! That was absolute fire! I love this episode and I like how they finally explained the concept of Chosen one
This trilogy is a watershed in Star Wars history, it brings a lot to the canon thanks to Filoni who introduces many aspects to the Force such as the Night Sisters, animals and gods who use the force.
Those portals in the throne room...
I don’t think it’s as simple as the son being the embodiment of the dark side or the daughter the light, I think they both have certain personalities that lead them to a certain side of the force but their actions show that it’s not as simple as one being evil and good.
Yeah, IIRC, The "Ones" are also Celestials who sort of mantled the force--towards the direction they had a proclivity towards (or did they bathe in sacred pools, I can't remember.)
@@percussionfellow6168 If I remember correctly the daughter took a bath on the pool of knowledge and the son drank from the font of power.
@@aacm1259 not canon
@@houseofaction pretty sure it was canon at that time
@@L0L246 Not really. Legends was never as canon as Lucasfilm now treats their canon. Lucas said time and time and time again how the Expanded Universe _was not his vision for Star Wars_ and that he barely ever read any of it. Hell, The Clone Wars itself completely overwrites several EU works, namely the Republic Commando books and the original Battlefront 2 campaign.
And while I don't know if he ever specifically talked about his feelings on the expansion of the Mortis stuff, such as their expanded history and Abeloth, he did make it especially known that he did not really agree with the direction of post-ROTJ Expanded Universe (which is where most of the expanded Mortis stuff comes from).
The reason he allowed it is because he simply always said that there were two Star Wars universes. His universe, and the universe of the books, comics, and games. They were always alternate universes and time and time again he would prove this mindset by walking over whatever was "canon" in the EU at the time as he pleased. He did it with the prequels, he did it with The Clone Wars, and if you read his ideas for the Sequel Trilogy it's clear he would have done it again for the post-ROTJ era.
When Anakin forces the creatures to their knees, Darth Vader's breathing can be heard for a brief moment.
As well as hearing a hint of his voice. THAT SHIT WAS SO STRONG
A lot of the ideas about the force which are explored in this arc came directly from Lucas
“What about the mother” ? …. 😏 well, in the extended universe that’s a completely different story with Luke that’s DEFINITELY worth checking out if u like reading 😅
a true lovecraftian being she is
@@samker7758 fax fax
Now correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Abeloth aka The Mother supposed to be the most powerful being in all of Star Wars?
@@PicklesTheDefiler technically yes… In the EU at least BUTTTTT you could argue palps in dark empire was more intelligent therefore a bigger threat but ye Abeloth in force power is ranked #1
Sam Witwer (The Son) used influences from other actors who played Sith Lords to create the voice of his character. A strong influence of Ian McDiarmid's character (Darth Sidious) can be heard in his voice. Witwer voiced the same character in the video game Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (2008)
I'm gonna be honest I really thought going into this the Normies were gonna think the Son was the person they saw in the Kenobi trailer, since they have not seen the Grand Inquisitor before. I'm not sure when they filmed this in terms of of they had seen the trailer yet, either I'm glad they didn't go off on a whole thing about that.
Never really thought about it before but they do look sort of alike now that you mentioned it
@@Gameguy-gk8lx The Grand Inquisitor and the Son were based on the same concept art.
Dave Filoni mentioned that he didn't realize they had already used it when creating the GI
Fun fact : in legends the mother was a mortal that was loved by the three of them,but she started to die so she drank/bathed in wellsprings of both light and dark force , she unintentionally became a murderous Lovecraft monster. (Correct me if I got anything wrong,it been awhile)
This is one of my favourite arcs in entire Star Wars. So symbolic and foreshadows a lot. 💯
We’ve been waiting so long for this arc! I can’t believe Chris and Rana weren’t here :(
Absolutely kills me =(
classic normie style haha
Gray Jedi are not a thing and never have been. Ahsoka is not one, she's just a force user. Jedi and Sith are religions with specific dogma, but they are not the light side and dark side.
Read the comics.
@@MarcusWB if any of the comics show the existence of Grey Jedi, then it will still be dumb. It would also imply that there is such thing as a Grey Sith, which is equally dumb. The Jedi and Sith are both religions. That's like saying that there is such thing as a Grey Buddhist, Grey Christian, or even Grey Taoism
This and the next 2 episodes are among my favorite episodes from the clone wars
I'm so conflicted about the Kenobi series right now. On the one hand, I would love flashbacks to Satine, Maul, and a particular conversation with Anakin about Ahsoka in the show, but on the other hand, it will totally spoil so much about the Clone Wars if these guys watch it. But what other option is there? Wait two more years before they see Kenobi?
Btw, in the original Episode IX script they had Mortis be the planet where the final fight would have taken place, I think.
Something many people misunderstand that the jedi don't "own" the light side or the sith "own" the dark side. The force will be there even after all jedi and sith are gone forever. There are many species in legends but also in canon that use the force without having any connection to the sith or jedi. Both factions are just groups of religous fanatics that use the force
this is objectively false, the sith are fanatics but the jedi are not. george lucas has been clear that the jedi are 100% morally right. and the only the dark side is a carruption of the force.
@@houseofaction That's just a point of view. Just because the sith are more radical doesn't mean the jedi can't be fanatics. Ofc the sith are "morally" incorrect because they don't see murder, torture etc. As crimes. But the jedi code has a lot of flaws aswell. I would argue that the "white jedi" are the once who truly understand what the force is.
"On your knees!!!". I love that line.
Anakin: makes the LITERAL FORCE kneel before him
Disney: Nah the chosen one's a marysue who just takes other people's things
Sam Witwer is the voice actor for the Son and he also voiced StarKiller and Darth Sidious in the Force Unleashed video game, he also will voiced a very important character later down the line.
Idk if anyone noticed but when Anakin made the Son bow before him, if you listen closely you can hear Vader’s breathing
This part of the lore almost made it to Episode IX. When Colin Trevorrow wrote the script he included the Mortis Gods but then JJ Abrahams discarded his ideas and basically made Episode VI 2.0
Suraj is basically just a reference box like omg dude.
16:00
In Legends, there was...for a time.
To oversimplify it, back when they where still living in the galaxy, there was a mortal woman serving them who helped keep the peace between the Son and the Daughter becoming part of the family.
But as she grew old, she sought to extend her life out of love for her immortal family. She ended up drinking from the Font of Power and bathing in the Pool of Knowledge. This gave her great command over the Dark Side and the Light Side as well as eternal life but also drove her insane transforming her into an entity known as Abeloth. The Ones eventually had to seal her away with the help from another ancient species, the Kiliks, a bug-species from Alderaan. She would break out a few times but always be put back in prison eventually ending up in the Maw, a remote area of the galaxy.
Eventually, and the following is a VERY oversimplified version, she would seemingly be killed by a coalition between Luke Skywalker, the Lost Tribe of Sith, which were the descendens of survivors of the Sith Genocide performed by the Republic and the Jedi after the Great Hyperspace War who crashed on a remote planet and ended up forgetting how to travel the stars hence why they managed to survive until long after the Empire fell, and Darth Krayt, an Order 66 survivor turned Sith who was in hiding building a new Sith Order to eventually take over the galaxy (which he tried about a hundred years later).
Yes! You guys finally made it to the Mortis arc. I've been looking forward to this for so long. These are my favorite episodes. You will all enjoy these!
I'm not sure I understand the Mortis arc entirely but I still love it.
Spidey has been nothing but a treat for this series since he joined the couch
The adult Ahsoka from this episode resembles a more accurate depiction of how adult Ahsoka should look like in life action (for example).
Ahsoka in live action looks just like Ahsoka in animated series, it's just her lekku in live action are shorter because it would be hard to doing all the action with longer lekku
5:03 lol.. Ahsoka like "Of course"
Fun fact: in the Expanded Universe, it was revealed that... there was also the Mother. However, she got corrupted by the Dark Side like the Son except even worse, to the point that Father, Son and Daughter imprisoned her on another plan, setting up gravity stations to keep her contained. Aaaand about 40 years after Return of the Jedi she escaped, and Luke and his Jedi Order tried to track her down and fight her, at the same time working together with a new Sith group and fighting them when they betrayed them... and we will never learn the conclusion to that story because after Disney bought Star Wars they declared the Expanded Universe non-canon and the writers stopped working on that.
That sounds like terrible, terrible writing honestly, which is on par for a good portion of the EU.
@@suddenimpulse030 I didn't know you hated the EU, everyone seems the praise the EU and that it's flawless.
@@peralta8013 I don't hate it but the quality range is all over the place, which is definitely the most common opinion I've personally seen. There's stuff like the Ethan series and Bane Trilogy, Plageius, and then you have chutulu monsters and Luuuke the clone.
Unfortunately Luke isn't a grey jedi, it isn't canon - even during the star wars expanded universe days it's status was a bit dodgy - it was term that came up in some of the games and fans really blew it up because we all like a morally grey protag. there are some jedi and sith who have left their order and are no longer as dogmatic as they once were but they are considered light side or dark side force users. I guess the problem is according to the lore, once you start using the darkside it corrupts you so you can't become grey, you just become a darkside user.
I thought that was simply a force sensitive--a Gray Jedi was a Jedi who was not in communion with the High Council. Like Qui-Gon.
@@percussionfellow6168 a force sensitive is someone untrained. A jedi who has stepped down from the order can be described as a force user or wielder. Also canonically the term for people who don't agree with the council and wish to go their own way are called Wayseekers. Grey jedi aren't canon because of the whole using the dark side and lightside part, which doesn't work with established lore, although I think a lot of fans like to consider it canon in their hearts lol
@@GiantDivineMoth Yeah you can use the force and not be a jedi or a sith. Jedi and Sith are specific philosophies. Not every darkside user is a sith, not every light side user is a jedi.
Hell The term Light Side didn't even exist in original canon it was invented when the video games started being made years later
@@GiantDivineMoth this isn’t “unfortunate” Grey Jedi never existed. It’s a stupid thing the fandom made up
@@Lilfellow25 100% agree, i suppose i used the word to soften the explanation
I love that you mentioned the absence of the mother. Now that’s a character you might want to look up.
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Suraj: Why is there no mother though?
Me: *panicks in non-canon*
"The chosen one is a myth"
Anakin says to the force god
So this family was actually crucial to maintaining the balance. After the events of the next episode, (I'll keep it vague as not to spoil it) but since Anakin decided to leave, what he didn't know is that every force user in his universe then must make a conscious effort to keep the balance. Anakin's son, Luke, discovers this. (And this is why I love legends, it all connects and I think holds so much more potential for great Star Wars cinematic story telling but maybe that's just me.) Luke was traveling with his son Ben when they encountered a dark creature named Abeloth. During this time, Jedi in the New Republic were suddenly becoming sick with reverse imposter syndrome and posing a danger to people around them. While Luke and Ben were looking for answers about this, Abeloth briefly told them that the Jedi and Sith always had misconceptions about 'balance'. And that, since Anakin didn't stay behind on that planet, the true balance was in the hands of the living populations. After realizing this, Luke and his son Ben spearheads one of his many new trailblazing ideologies: that Jedi must be peacekeepers with the Sith as well. Of course, not allowing mass destruction, but to maintain the balance.
Back in the day, George Lucas and the Jedi thought that the dark side was a cancer in the force that needed to be expunged to restore balance. But later writers advocated for a more nuanced balance where the Daoist influence really shows, with the light and dark sides being two extremes, only by being in true balance with the universe do you tap into the full power of the Force.
Except balance is still the end of the dark side, Disney's the one who changed it, same as Rey being the Chosen One now. The Mortis arc was all about the wrong idea of the balance.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 As the Father said, too much of either side is bad. Just look at the Jedi ; no Sith for a thousand years and they rested on their laurels and got into politics. Then the Sith manage to enact a thousand year plan almost flawlessly and destroy the Jedi and the Republic.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 George Lucas is the one that defined "balance" for the Mortis Arc. So to say that he got it wrong when his word was the ultimate authority on the matter makes no sense at all. If you disagreed with his definition after watching it then _you_ got it wrong. As the one that introduced the concept and decided to explore it further he was incapable of getting it wrong as he was the source of the information. You not liking it does nothing to change that.
@@DovahFett The literal point of the arc was the father being wrong for what he thought balance was, trying actually watching the behind the scenes for the show, lol.
Director Colin Treverow was going to use Mortis in Star Wars Episode 9, before being fired by Kathelyn Kennedy
AH SHIT, HERE WE GO. Hopefully you finally realise or point it out that the characters went through a wardrobe change.
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There is a Mother. Her name is Abeloth. She breaks free from Mortis after The Father's death and becomes the Final Villain in Legends against Luke Skywalker & Darth Krayt.
Wow this has so much more meaning now.
This is a really important episode about the LORE of star wars
What's also interesting is that when anakin tamed the dautgher and the son, it wasn't his voice that was playing as an eco in the background. It was Darth Vader's voices. We can even ear his classic breathing sound at the end of the scene 15:27 . :P
Qui-Gon Jinn's theme, The Force theme, and The Imperial March are all quoted at various points during this episode.
23:14 _"I'm shocked none of this ever made it to the movies."_ *~Marketa*
It's my understanding the ideas _Lucas_ had shared with Disney for the sequel trilogy touched on similar elements. I believe the studio just didn't get it (or thought was too weird). 🤷🏼♂️
I've heard officially there are no _gray Jedi._ Which I initially thought was just silly. But then I came to realize that the Jedi themselves are just an organization.
You can ostensibly be everything one might expect a gray Jedi to be, only you're not part of the Jedi Order. Like calling yourself a holy man but your not a priest belonging to the Catholic church. Or someone on the frontier utilizing your own methods while trying maintain law and order. But you're not an officially sanctioned sherrif, or whatever.
Ultimately, if the force is everywhere, then there must be a great many force users across the galaxy that utilize it in various ways that have nothing to do with the Jedi way.
I love the mortis arc for bringing back that mystical aspect that kinda got lost in the prequels
*under my breath: Grey Jedi aren't a thing in canon.
The Arc that pretty much Changed everything.
You’re right spidey on the transportation of savage across the galaxy, it takes time
Right after Anakin gets on the ship to leave the force planet, you can hear a soft version of Darth Vader's theme before the closing credits, foreshadowing Anakin's future downfall.
Really wish I could binge this arc's reaction...
Adrienne Wilkinson (The Daughter) was voice actor in the video game Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
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In Legends, they were called "Tho Yor".
They carried Force sensitive from all around the galaxy into the deep core to the planet Tython where these Force sensitives founded the Je'daii Order.
The Je'daii Order, who initially belived in balance by using both the Dark and Light Side, or Bogan and Ashla, as they called them, equally eventually became the Jedi Order after the Force Wars, a conflict between those who favored the Dark Side and those who favored the Light Side (guess who won and became the Jedi).
surj never gets tired of making wild guesses
Yessssss they are in the Mortis arc. It’s so intriguing, and I remember at some point it was confirmed there is no intended interpretation, it’s open to what you want. I can’t wait to see how they interpret all this
This arc of episodes is my favorite in the entire show (though the Siege of Mandalore is very, very close second). So much epic lore.
You guys need to search up the Ones. That’s what they are called. They have a combination of both canon and legends. The mother of the son and daughter is in Star Wars legends. She’s not in canon, but in legends
The mother is abeloth might be worth watching a quick UA-cam video on her origins. Essentially she was a being who served the father, son, and daughter, and swam in something called the font of power. She went insane and terrorized the galaxy, grandmaster Luke Skywalker amongst others defeated her I think.
these next couple episodes are some of my favorite from the whole series! so so excited for you guys to get to them! 🤩
This is one of the few stories that George has a LOT of involvement with. It is probably one of the most important moments in the franchise and acts as both a tool for foreshadowing and reconciliation of the galaxy's origins. It not only explains the chosen one, it details the birth of the Jedi and Sith if you are more familiar with the extended lore. The implications that Obi-wan had no idea who the Father is truly shows how far the vanity of the Jedi had grown over some
I love how you guys and Dos Cavazos both had the exact same reaction to this arc: “where was this kind of story in the sequel trilogy”
I love that these characters have the similar background voices Mother Talzin uses. Maybe she got inspiration from them?🤔
I swear Suraj never watched a movie, tv series, or read a book before Lost lol
The ambiguity of this arc makes it easily one of the most fun to talk about and theory craft with friends to this day.
25:38 Funny you mentioned that. (First of all, this was just a rumor and I don't think this has ever been officially confirmed). When Disney was working on Episode 9, they had a meeting with George Lucas for potential story ideas and George Lucas suggested to do something with this. They didn't go through with it because unless you have seen the Clone Wars, introducing audiences to all this may be a bit overwhelming.
16:02 "why's there no "mother" tho"
look up "abaloth", or don't....she's kinda lovecraftian terrifying
I forgot Mortis was coming up so boy did this drop blindside me. So excited!!
The mother is called abeloth and since Disney bought star wars she's isn't canon anymore. You can look her up she represents the chaotic side of the force.
And she’s freaky as fuck.
Ohhhhhh my GOD, this arc is just... chef kiss.
If only JJ Abrams had watched this
15:59 There is a mother. Her name is Aboloth and she is one of the most powerful and most dangerous beings in all of Star Wars. Luke Skywalker fought her in Star Wars Legends with the help of his new Jedi Order and also with help of the Sith.
The actor that voices the Son is Sam Witwer. A name y'all will become extremely familiar throughout the rest of the Clone Wars as he also voices Maul.
Also ... y'all can imagine how much fans lost our minds when this arc dropped. It is so unlike anything we had ever seen from Star Wars up to this point, and it lore drops so much information about the Force. It's an incredibly well-done story that has stuck with fans ever since. You will not look at the Force the same when you guys finish this arc.
14:42 Let the games begin!
The mother is called Abaloth (idk if I spelled it right). But she’s more dangerous than all 3 of them combined
Yeeaaaahhhhhh.... finally the Mortis arc. Dave Filoni advised Rian Johnson to watch this arc to understand the concept of balance of Force.... therefore we get that line in Last Jedi where Luke teaches Rey about the Force
Too bad neither of them got that the father's idea of balance was wrong.
@@willfanofmanyii3751 What "balance" means within Star Wars changes by the decade. Sometimes it meant no Sith. Other times it meant an equal number of Jedi and Sith, and sometimes it meant no Sith or Jedi at all but Force users that are more "grey" in their interpretation and usage of the Force.
@@DovahFett Everyone but Lucas has changed their ideas of what balance is, it's always been the Sith corrupted the force with the dark side, and by their end, the force returns to it's pure state.
One of you asked about a mother in the family. Ho boy, the Mother is the subject of a an EU/Legends series of novels called Star Wars: Fate of the Jedi.
It's a wild ride.
Pernilla August also came back to play Shmi Skywalker.
Yall finally see why we wanted you to watch this for so long
This Arc is so crazy and cool and really dives deep into the Origin of the Force itself and how different beigns use it and how they try to manipulate it. Its verry good and interesting with much lore to discuss.
These 3 are verry ancient beigns. And like the Father said they retreated into this prison so noone could harness their power. That Prison or Planet is simmilar to Dagobah (Where Yoda hides in the OT) Its a conduit of the force where it is verry powerful. To say that the Son is the embodiment of the Dark side and the Daughter of the light while the Father is the one in the middle would be to simple but you could say it that way.
Also the Mother is Abeloth. A crazy almost Lovecraftian begin that is so powerfull it was imprisoned in a part of Space with many Darkholes. Also known as "The Maw" in the Universe. Its a Region of Space where there are somany Darkholes its almost impossible to navigate. And all that go there are slowly getting insane because of Abeloth. She has crazy powers that could drain the lifeforce of peopel.
Its also worth watching the Featurett and the deleted scenes to this arc because of some cool cameos :D
The Mother is a being called Abeloth, Luke Confronts her in the Books.
Love this arc happy y’all here finally
I kind of which this arc was longer and was foreshadowed a bit more with some more continuity but I loved it
Want to add majority of the lines that the son has said are lines that Sith have or will say throughout the star wars universe. Not all but a good majority of his lines
I've been waiting for you all to see these episodes since you started this journey, welcome to the Force :)
Qui Gon's cameo in this was made better by the fact it was Liam Neeson voicing him. It just made it so much better.
My favorite episode
"Who is the mother?" Canonically (or at least use to be) the embodiment of pure evil. The EU when hard on that lovecraft style.
The mother's name is Abeloth. She is the most powerful being in the universe
This is where the fun begins
One of my favourite arcs of clone wars, you'll love it :)
16:00 YOU DO NOT WANT TO MEET THE MOTHER
one of my favorite arcs. the Mortas Arc
This is such an amazing and important arc the Last Jedi takes a lot of inspiration on the force from this arc, it’s always funny to hear people say something like “the force was so weird in TLJ George Lucas would’ve never done anything like this” and then I’m like you need to watch the Mortis arc
You're missing the point. The Mortis arc is all about the father being incorrect on what he thinks the balance is. Rian didn't get that, and TLJ suffered because of it.
What inspiration does that mess of a movie take from this arc?
Well the mother is a little bit complicated to explain. And because Abeloth is not any part of clone wars or any tv show i dont believe telling you about her is considered spoiler. So basically she was a normal human woman who crashed on that planned about 100,000 years bby(before new hope), she met the son, daughter and father and after some time she started to develop a relationship with them like a mother to the daughter and the son. After many years she started to age while the rest didnt age and she felt powerless to help her children only the father could control them when they got out of control, so she decided to drink from the Font of Power where the power of the son originated and the Pool of knowledge where the daughters powers originate. So she became powerful very powerful, but that also twisted her and she decided to controlled the son and daughter to obey her so they wont be fighting and ignoring her. The father seeing this rescued the daughter and son and left the planet. This made Abeloth mad and caused her mental state to deteriorate even more leading to her becoming a world destroying monster. The father, the son and the daughter went and got the help of a hive mind species called Killiks and instructed them how to create a project known as Centerpoint Station used to imprison her after the father, daughter and the son exhausted her by fighting her. That project was several space station forcing several black holes each at her location. In addition this prison wasn't able to hold her for very long. Every x amount of years she escaped and all 3 (father, daughter and son) had to fight her and force her back to her prison.
Been looking forward to the Lost arc of clone wars. Hopefully they’ll not need to go back
We have to go back!
You do not want to look into the Mother. That’s some Lovecraftian stuff right there.
Hey so you guys were asking about The Mother... look up Abeloth, and have fun with that
YESSSS my favourite arc from the series! I love the mystical Force shit lol