Interesting homage to the Venus de milo statue having the character missing her arms. Definitely makes her stand out and more than just another turtle in the team.
i honestly always liked venus, always thought she was a neat idea, both the lost/adopted sister idea and just in general, and i hope they do her justice and don't just add her to kill her off or make her a villain for no reason
@@GODCONVOYPRIME maybe, honsetly i just hate seeing an interesting idea for a character in media go to waste, since if enough People hate the character nobody Else Will wanna try and do something Else and possibley better with said character, but Hey if you don't like her that's fine i really can't say i blame you the show left a lot to be desired, and if you Are just here to make fun of me, if that is indeed your intention, Hey whatever suit yourself i aint gonna stop you, i just like sharing my opinions with People and seeing their's
@@God-T i certainly diden't intend be making any kind of signaling, heck im not even sure if i fully understand what that means, it isent something i pay much mind or have much if any strong interest in, i just love Tmnt even if some of my opinions might not be the most popular, and i just love shareing my thoughts and hearing those of others
I understand if they hate how Saban made it where the turtles were not brothers but I always felt their hate for Venus was unjustified. It was great having a Shinobi turtle on the team despite other changes and it was great that they teamed up with the In Space Rangers.
Peter Laird is the one who hates her, Kevin Eastman is technically her co creator. Laird has called the idea of her "creatively bankrupt" and Kevin Monroe (director of the TMNT 2007 movie) has said that no one was allowed to even mention doing anything with her when they were planning the movie, or it's potential sequels that never happened
I haven't been keeping up to date on the entirety of the IDW series but I really love how this series has been hodgebodging everything from every iteration of the turtles into one series. It's really great
😕 I'm really curious to find out more about this new Venus and her origin. Was she human before she became this frankin-turtle creation or was she mutated first by the mutagen bomb and this was done to her after?
It has been awile since ive been caught up with reading the issues. This explained was wonderful and cool to see what I haven't read yet. would love if you did story arc recaps for the IDW series since has been going for a while. Thanks for always covering all things ninja turtles look forward to the next video!
In the next mutation Venus and her master were fighting dragon like creatures from another world. Maybe the dragon scale will give her the ability to shoot fireballs like in the show, minus the extremely long casting time it took her originally.
4:04 anyone else think the scale looks like the old Foot Clan logo from TMNT 2003? I wonder if her magical power source will connect her to the Ninja Tribunal in some way? Very interested in the clone turtles too. The only turtle characters from other continuities we haven’t seen in IDW yet are the Dark Turtles from Fast Forward, who also had mad science origins. Overall, really interested in where this story goes.
"Let's keep the violence, revenge and other mature themes from the old comics, and keep the massive cast and wacky hijinks from the cartoons!" IDW's take on the ninja turtles is wild, and I'm glad for it.
I'm really happy they brought her back, but I don't like *how* they brought her back. We already have Jennika as a human turned turtle and Metalhead is already an artificial turtle, so a franken-turtle seems a bit redundant...
Venus herself, in concept and character, has never been a problem. I liked her growing up, but the issue was that the show she was in was the dumbest turtles product ever made. As you put it, this new "edgy" way of re-introducing her to the series is a bit much, and I almost wish that they swapped her and Jennika's roles in this, if they wanted to make a what is essentially a new character.
I have a feeling that they introduced her like this to make her stand out from Jennika, since with the existence of mutant town, it's a same assumption that Jennika isn't the only human turned turtle around. That said, i agree that it is edgy.
I’m glad they brought her back in a new origin, my favorite thing about the franchise is how almost every iteration they revamp characters and their origins plus I think just another turtle would be boring considering there are so many turtles/reptile mutants already.
Ironically my first issue of TMNT that I've read in many many years was this issue that debuts Venus on the last page. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes
if they are it would really cement the whole created angle especially if they are each a foil by name and action for our heros like Mikey's nemesis having the name David
5:29 The Turtle below Venus might be Kirby. It appears that Sophie Campbell and Tom Waltz are planning to incorporate Kirby into the IDW Continuity in the Future as the 9th Turtle (Next to Slash - 5th, Jennika - 6th, Lita - 7th, and then Venus - 8th).
Hmm, I have a theory. What if the Punk Frogs were send by the doctor to attack their dojo, and used the fact that a turtle whit a metal shell took in one of them, to get Donnie? Since as Old Turtle Dan mentioned before, Donnie might have a connection w Venus? And the doctor want to get his hands on Donnie to either control Donnie against his brothers, either eliminate him? Since he might be the only one that can make Venus come on their side and make her understand that what the doctor wants is wrong?
Yeah, but then how comes that near the Punk Frogs base was the doctors lab? Or maybe the doctor only took one, and black mailed the rest to bring them Donnie?
It's likely Barlo wants Donnie to use as a comparison for the fake turtles he is making as it looks like he is either working for Hob who wants to expand and needed a solution to the turtles. or likely stockman needs to discredit mutants.
IDW TMNT have manage to do the impossible.....me me intrigued about VENUS, a character not even the creators of the TMNT liked...can't wait to read the next issue.
Actually, it was only Peter Laird who doesn't like Venus. Kevin Eastman liked her so much, and this might be the reason why Sophie Campbell was able to integrate her into the IDW Continuity.
I have some ideas for an animated TMNT show starring Venus: First, her personality would be more akin to Starfire from Teen Titans. Second, the show would approach her moving with the turtles in a more realistic way, showing her struggling to adapt to a new lifestyle in a new country with brothers she just met (for example, episode 2 would start with Venus barely being able to sleep due to not being used to sleeping with the sound of the subway, unlike the Turtles). And thurd, the show would be more rooted in prexisting TMNT lore: Shredder would be as dangeroys as always, and there wiuld be appearances from Krang, Karai, April Leatherhead, Baxter Stockman, and even the Stone Generals from the 2007 film.
Nice. The turtle war haha. Crazy what a shift from thr goofy tv series Venus universe compared to the idw tmnt version which is like Frankenstein venus.
As a giant Frankenstein nerd, I have to admit this whole storyline has me super intrigued. I'm a TMNT fan, as well, but don't follow the current comics. This might change that. Venus looks cool as hell.
The red thing in her back and the open shell are reference to a condition where turtles are born with an exposed heart. There was a thing circulating the internet a while back. I think it fits sort of well. I’d be interested if they end up doing something with the fact that she’s named after an artpiece which is famously about the sort of “female passivity” cliche that feminists have been trying to fight for years. (I’d personally like for them to let her name herself or change her name; might make sense to go with Mary Shelley, because of the obvious shel pun, because it sounds cute, because of Frankenstein’s monster, because she’s a female artist rather then just the subject) The exposed heart is obvious but also sort of cool because it’s a genuine mutation irl.
Wow, they made Venus a female Metal-Head & Frankenstein and that's cool they're referencing Mechaturtle from the 1st NES game as well as the SNES & Genesis Tournament Fighters with the clones
Clyde Frog.....I remember another character by that name from Mississippi public television. He kept getting into trouble. He even got kidnapped in one episode.
I heard of venus before, but I always thought she was just a myth. That people only WANTED a 5th/girl turtle. About a year ago, my brother actually informed me that she was real, but the OG creators never wanted that to happen and that's why she stopped coming back. It shook me that was real. It made it feel like an urban legend was real 😄
I never hated Venus I just didn’t like the half assed corny cheap was the show was made. The only thing I liked about the show was the addition of her and her backstory
Yo what the fuck if I been missing out on?! This is super cool, I love the art style in the character designs and adjust the concept of half of New York being mutated.
Been reading for years. Love this channel. Your video today is good. Just one small thing. The Dojo actually belongs to all of the Turtles. Not just Leo.
I'm very interested in where they going with the dragon scales looks like Dragon Lord is going to be appearing soon and I cannot wait to see how they do him. Likely he's going to get a new body constructed and will be the next big threat.
you seem like the guy to ask about this, so, back in the early to mid 90's, there was a story arch in the comics, i don't remember which publisher, the name of the arch, or almost anything else about it (real helpful, i know) i do remember that it was more colorful and cartoonish in the art, that it spanned a long run (i think 12 issues, but i'm not sure) and that it took at least Donatello into space, there was every guest star you could think of, and the over arching story involved aliens (somehow), i don't know why, but for some reason i remember at the end of it, Donny lost his memories of being in space for some reason, and the end of the whole thing had a very somber tone to it (i think) it's been driving me nuts for years not remembering more, can you think of anything that might match this description?
Poor girl! I'm not even following the comics, but she used to be my second favorite turtle after Donny. IDW turned TMNT into DoroHeDoro and i don't know wether i love it or hate it.
Just stumbled across this. Super cool. I haven't read TMNT since Mirage comics or Archie Comics back in the 90s. I might just check the IDW run out! :)
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I've gotta keep the idw tmnt this Venus got the fucking Frankenstein treatment yet I'll wait next issue , now duplicate turtles
Who is the turtle with the yellow bandana 🤔
It's a garbage concept
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Interesting homage to the Venus de milo statue having the character missing her arms. Definitely makes her stand out and more than just another turtle in the team.
Holy hell that’s a brilliant insight, I never even considered that
Drawn disturbingly fetishistically in the intro panel instead of cool or sad though.
Shou Tucker much
I felt like Edward from fullmetal alchemist
My thoughts exactly. I think that is why she is called venus.
The IDW series just keeps becoming more complex and interesting. I’m quite excited to see where this goes
i honestly always liked venus, always thought she was a neat idea, both the lost/adopted sister idea and just in general, and i hope they do her justice and don't just add her to kill her off or make her a villain for no reason
So basically you feel bad for a non existent character that nobody likes so you're just going to viture signal?
@@GODCONVOYPRIME maybe, honsetly i just hate seeing an interesting idea for a character in media go to waste, since if enough People hate the character nobody Else Will wanna try and do something Else and possibley better with said character, but Hey if you don't like her that's fine i really can't say i blame you the show left a lot to be desired, and if you Are just here to make fun of me, if that is indeed your intention, Hey whatever suit yourself i aint gonna stop you, i just like sharing my opinions with People and seeing their's
@@GODCONVOYPRIME ironically she was actually the best character in next mutation
@@GODCONVOYPRIME I don't see any virtual signalling, I think you're overthinking it. 😐
@@God-T i certainly diden't intend be making any kind of signaling, heck im not even sure if i fully understand what that means, it isent something i pay much mind or have much if any strong interest in, i just love Tmnt even if some of my opinions might not be the most popular, and i just love shareing my thoughts and hearing those of others
I'm shocked that Venus exists in any new TMNT material, since (at the time) Eastman and Laird completely disowned Next Mutation.
I understand if they hate how Saban made it where the turtles were not brothers but I always felt their hate for Venus was unjustified. It was great having a Shinobi turtle on the team despite other changes and it was great that they teamed up with the In Space Rangers.
Actually, Kevin Eastman actually likes Venus De Milo and was her co-creator along with Haim Saban.
@@Fuji086 Which makes since considering that Kevin Eastman was easy to work with when it comes to TMNT Media.
Peter Laird is the only original TMNT creator that hates Venus.
Peter Laird is the one who hates her, Kevin Eastman is technically her co creator. Laird has called the idea of her "creatively bankrupt" and Kevin Monroe (director of the TMNT 2007 movie) has said that no one was allowed to even mention doing anything with her when they were planning the movie, or it's potential sequels that never happened
I haven't been keeping up to date on the entirety of the IDW series but I really love how this series has been hodgebodging everything from every iteration of the turtles into one series. It's really great
Oh, I get it! Because the Venus de Milo has no arms and this turtle has no arms... that's genuinely pretty clever
It's pretty blatantly obvious.
I completely forgot about the statue!
I hope they go ham on the Frankenstein's monster gimmick before she's fixed.
That itself is funnier than the entirety of Next Mutation
I always liked Venus. I thought it was cool there was a female turtle who didn't compete with April. Hoping she sticks around and they do her justice.
😕 I'm really curious to find out more about this new Venus and her origin. Was she human before she became this frankin-turtle creation or was she mutated first by the mutagen bomb and this was done to her after?
either way the internet alr have plan for her
@@m4j0r3x Lmfaoo if it exists there’s…
It has been awile since ive been caught up with reading the issues. This explained was wonderful and cool to see what I haven't read yet. would love if you did story arc recaps for the IDW series since has been going for a while. Thanks for always covering all things ninja turtles look forward to the next video!
Definitely makes me want to catch up but considering I’m only on volume 2 it’s gonna be a bit of a challenge
In the next mutation Venus and her master were fighting dragon like creatures from another world. Maybe the dragon scale will give her the ability to shoot fireballs like in the show, minus the extremely long casting time it took her originally.
4:04 anyone else think the scale looks like the old Foot Clan logo from TMNT 2003? I wonder if her magical power source will connect her to the Ninja Tribunal in some way? Very interested in the clone turtles too. The only turtle characters from other continuities we haven’t seen in IDW yet are the Dark Turtles from Fast Forward, who also had mad science origins. Overall, really interested in where this story goes.
"Let's keep the violence, revenge and other mature themes from the old comics, and keep the massive cast and wacky hijinks from the cartoons!"
IDW's take on the ninja turtles is wild, and I'm glad for it.
I'm really happy they brought her back, but I don't like *how* they brought her back. We already have Jennika as a human turned turtle and Metalhead is already an artificial turtle, so a franken-turtle seems a bit redundant...
I agree. It bothers me a lot.
Venus herself, in concept and character, has never been a problem. I liked her growing up, but the issue was that the show she was in was the dumbest turtles product ever made.
As you put it, this new "edgy" way of re-introducing her to the series is a bit much, and I almost wish that they swapped her and Jennika's roles in this, if they wanted to make a what is essentially a new character.
@@schorltourmaline4521 Personally, I always wanted to see her dynamic with the others if she grew up alongside them...
I have a feeling that they introduced her like this to make her stand out from Jennika, since with the existence of mutant town, it's a same assumption that Jennika isn't the only human turned turtle around. That said, i agree that it is edgy.
Is Jennie’s even a good character in the comics
I’m glad they brought her back in a new origin, my favorite thing about the franchise is how almost every iteration they revamp characters and their origins plus I think just another turtle would be boring considering there are so many turtles/reptile mutants already.
Man, the IDW Turtles sounds baller as hell, how have I not heard about this until now?
Ironically my first issue of TMNT that I've read in many many years was this issue that debuts Venus on the last page. I'm looking forward to seeing where this goes
Which issue is it?
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I'm curious if the other doppelgangers are going to be named after other pieces of art like Venus
I wonder if they will be IDW’s versions of the Dark Turtle from TMNT Fast Forward? They were abominations of science in their own right.
if they are it would really cement the whole created angle especially if they are each a foil by name and action for our heros like Mikey's nemesis having the name David
5:29 The Turtle below Venus might be Kirby. It appears that Sophie Campbell and Tom Waltz are planning to incorporate Kirby into the IDW Continuity in the Future as the 9th Turtle (Next to Slash - 5th, Jennika - 6th, Lita - 7th, and then Venus - 8th).
So many turtles!
So they are going the Jennika/Turtle-April route for Venus' origin?
Hmm, I have a theory. What if the Punk Frogs were send by the doctor to attack their dojo, and used the fact that a turtle whit a metal shell took in one of them, to get Donnie? Since as Old Turtle Dan mentioned before, Donnie might have a connection w Venus? And the doctor want to get his hands on Donnie to either control Donnie against his brothers, either eliminate him? Since he might be the only one that can make Venus come on their side and make her understand that what the doctor wants is wrong?
I think he stole their friend to make this Venus because if you look at her arms, one of them is long like the frog‘s arms and fingers.
Yeah, but then how comes that near the Punk Frogs base was the doctors lab? Or maybe the doctor only took one, and black mailed the rest to bring them Donnie?
It's likely Barlo wants Donnie to use as a comparison for the fake turtles he is making as it looks like he is either working for Hob who wants to expand and needed a solution to the turtles. or likely stockman needs to discredit mutants.
That's a neat idea. It makes her name very fitting.
IDW TMNT have manage to do the impossible.....me me intrigued about VENUS, a character not even the creators of the TMNT liked...can't wait to read the next issue.
Actually, it was only Peter Laird who doesn't like Venus. Kevin Eastman liked her so much, and this might be the reason why Sophie Campbell was able to integrate her into the IDW Continuity.
@@dexterjosefamata9083 I thought of a OC based on Venus for the 2012 series.
Netflix just released a trailer for the Usagi Chronicles Show. I was wondering if you were interested in talking a little bit more about it?
I'm so excited for the show!
Its not our boi Usagi Yojimbo.
Not gonna lie when they said a turtle with a metal shell I was getting excited to see Raph show up as Nightwatcher
I have some ideas for an animated TMNT show starring Venus: First, her personality would be more akin to Starfire from Teen Titans. Second, the show would approach her moving with the turtles in a more realistic way, showing her struggling to adapt to a new lifestyle in a new country with brothers she just met (for example, episode 2 would start with Venus barely being able to sleep due to not being used to sleeping with the sound of the subway, unlike the Turtles). And thurd, the show would be more rooted in prexisting TMNT lore: Shredder would be as dangeroys as always, and there wiuld be appearances from Krang, Karai, April Leatherhead, Baxter Stockman, and even the Stone Generals from the 2007 film.
Nice. The turtle war haha. Crazy what a shift from thr goofy tv series Venus universe compared to the idw tmnt version which is like Frankenstein venus.
I can't wait to read the next issue and I wonder what her role in the Armageddon Game will be. 🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢🐢
Thanks for all the coverage. Much ❤
Talk about your Frankenstein moments in this series…
I love how they are popping limbs off and replacing them with other characters limbs just like we did growing up with the toys!
Excited for you to cover this 🐢🍕
The original turtles comic back in the 80’s was pretty dark as well and that one inspired the 80’s cartoon show
2003 was much closer
This is a much more interesting story than the "there was another baby turtle in the ooze" approach.
As a giant Frankenstein nerd, I have to admit this whole storyline has me super intrigued. I'm a TMNT fan, as well, but don't follow the current comics. This might change that. Venus looks cool as hell.
The red thing in her back and the open shell are reference to a condition where turtles are born with an exposed heart. There was a thing circulating the internet a while back. I think it fits sort of well. I’d be interested if they end up doing something with the fact that she’s named after an artpiece which is famously about the sort of “female passivity” cliche that feminists have been trying to fight for years. (I’d personally like for them to let her name herself or change her name; might make sense to go with Mary Shelley, because of the obvious shel pun, because it sounds cute, because of Frankenstein’s monster, because she’s a female artist rather then just the subject) The exposed heart is obvious but also sort of cool because it’s a genuine mutation irl.
Holy shit...what a way to bring back such an iconic character. But did they HAVE to do it so morbidly...? It just looks so sad! 😭🤮
I love they named the frog Clyde. My South Park fans on here have to remember Cartland stuffed frog he called Clyde frog
Its hard to believe present day venus and lita's future's venus are the same character
Wow, they made Venus a female Metal-Head & Frankenstein and that's cool they're referencing Mechaturtle from the 1st NES game as well as the SNES & Genesis Tournament Fighters with the clones
Clyde Frog.....I remember another character by that name from Mississippi public television. He kept getting into trouble. He even got kidnapped in one episode.
So... no word yet on whether she's going to spend most of her time lecturing the turtles about responsibility and proper hygiene?
Fans: You know, Venus is kind of an abomination.
IDW: Funny you should say that...
I’ve only been reading the collected volumes and didn’t know there was more, so I’m looking forward to picking up more from this amazing run.
Damn! TMNT still growing this is my 2nd decade with them. Love em!
Damned near teared up seeing the photo.
I always had TMNT items my whole life and boy do I love them.
I heard of venus before, but I always thought she was just a myth. That people only WANTED a 5th/girl turtle. About a year ago, my brother actually informed me that she was real, but the OG creators never wanted that to happen and that's why she stopped coming back. It shook me that was real. It made it feel like an urban legend was real 😄
Extremely radical change. We'll have to wait to see where are they taking this character.
RW:ive always remembered her ,because i used to have a action figure of her when TMNT was around back in the 90s
I have been following you work like re awakened my love for the tmnt lore, thank you and keep up the good work
Her new appearance is like nebula.
Sounds cool!
I wish they had done her, where she is the Venus from the next mutation, and that she is trying to get home instead.
This is crazy, they have said Venus would never return ever lol
I hope they have her in the new ninja turtles game. I'm sure they could even if it's dlc.
I’ve been asking for her Jenneka, and Metalhead.
That would be so cool. So cool.
Usagi Yojimbo would be awesome.
Huh, not the comeback I had in mind but there is beauty in this version eerie and morbid but beautiful
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The Droids you're looking for, indeed.
Venus worked and always wanted to see the conclusion of the show. So it’s great they’re reintroducing her. TMNT rules
I liked the original tmnt graphic novels, dar, gritty, humor, and insightful. Also covered various political issues as well as idealogical
Compared to the turtles that I watched when I was kid.. it’s got so much darker… I love it
That's the new Venus? Sheesh, that's a dramatic twist compared to the past.
Wow Venus 🐢💙💙💙
Wow... That's actually a pretty cool and twisted take on the character.
Hopefully this isn't 'Marvin gets brutally murdered by Wonderdog' levels of 'take that on these characters I hate!'
I can't wait for venus first comic book appearance. 😀👍🐢
This sounds dark af!! I'm loving the direction of this series. 💚
Remember folks, She’s not a ninja, she’s _shinobi_
I'm so excited for the follow up video. Do you remember which issue number this was?
venus is finally back!
I somehow knew she’ll make an appearance, just not as an actual character in the story.
Sounds like she's finally getting the reboot she deserves.
As someone that Loves Venus de Milo,all I'm glad that she's back.
The author is LadyDetia aka Detia.
Me too.
I hate that they brought her back as a disfigured frankenstein.
I never hated Venus I just didn’t like the half assed corny cheap was the show was made. The only thing I liked about the show was the addition of her and her backstory
Yo what the fuck if I been missing out on?! This is super cool, I love the art style in the character designs and adjust the concept of half of New York being mutated.
i think the turtle "doppelgangers" will be a ref to the turtle clones in the sega tournament fighters unless this just could be a coincidence. :0
Been reading for years. Love this channel. Your video today is good. Just one small thing. The Dojo actually belongs to all of the Turtles. Not just Leo.
This should prove fascinating
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Hrm. New turtles.
Bach, Beethoven, Brahms...
And Ringo!!
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Has the comic actually moved on from the Jeneka show guest stating the teenage mutant ninja turtles?
Ask how ducked up is it they did that to Venus?
My favorite!
Im gonna start reading TMNT again. This story line seems interesting. Im glad they change back for the better.
I'm very interested in where they going with the dragon scales looks like Dragon Lord is going to be appearing soon and I cannot wait to see how they do him. Likely he's going to get a new body constructed and will be the next big threat.
Idw turtles seems fantastic
Somethin crazy is always happin to donny, dudes been shot up like 50 cent, placed in a robot , shell destroyed and died ...dam
would be cool to see a dark animation of this
YOOOOO THIS COMIC SERIES LOOKS SICK
This is crazy. to bad this comic is not released in my country. Its super cool. Also there is a kid opossum or something in 1:53. so cute.
Love the new design gives me a bride of Frankenstein vibes
That drawing of her in that chair looks sick af lol
Damn all of this looks so interesting I wish it was adapted into a cartoon
Venus is Frankenstein. I look forward to reading this series one day [>
5:40 what comic is that
Really awesome premise, I lost hope when Nickelodeon purchase the brand but this is just what I want. 👍🏼
I KNEW IT!!!!
oh, shit. i hadn't really heard anything about this run of the comics, but it sounds pretty kick-ass. gonna have to check it out.
I wanna read this comic line from the beginning it looks hella good
you seem like the guy to ask about this, so, back in the early to mid 90's, there was a story arch in the comics, i don't remember which publisher, the name of the arch, or almost anything else about it (real helpful, i know) i do remember that it was more colorful and cartoonish in the art, that it spanned a long run (i think 12 issues, but i'm not sure) and that it took at least Donatello into space, there was every guest star you could think of, and the over arching story involved aliens (somehow), i don't know why, but for some reason i remember at the end of it, Donny lost his memories of being in space for some reason, and the end of the whole thing had a very somber tone to it (i think) it's been driving me nuts for years not remembering more, can you think of anything that might match this description?
Poor girl! I'm not even following the comics, but she used to be my second favorite turtle after Donny.
IDW turned TMNT into DoroHeDoro and i don't know wether i love it or hate it.
this actually turn really dark really quick
Just stumbled across this. Super cool. I haven't read TMNT since Mirage comics or Archie Comics back in the 90s. I might just check the IDW run out! :)
Soooo she made from the pieces of the missing frog and other stuff?