Based off of playing with the dashboard and simulator, seems like the ingredients for an ideal throw are about: - 10-15° hyzer - 0° nose angle - 5° launch - 3.5° wobble I got these numbers by sorting by distance and the creating sets out of a few distance ranges. Nose angle tended to be higher in the slower speeds, but it makes sense to me that at higher distances, on average, it wasn't all negative degrees of nose down, it was closer to zero at 0.3°. Anything not zero is probably going to create more drag since the disc is not flat. I think ideally, for distance you want to throw 0° nose angle to minimize resistance in the air. But manipulating the nose angle is definitely something to practice for shot shaping. To me this indicates that the best release is clean, 0° nose angle, and slight hyzer. If you want to throw farther, speed is king. Since the rpm increases pretty linearly with speed, I don't think you need to put more spin on the disc, just throw faster. This is the average speed and rpm across distances: - 400 ft = 62 mph, 1,100 rpm - 450 ft = 66 mph, 1,200 rpm - 500 ft = 71 mph, 1,300 rpm - 550 ft = 75 mph, 1,400 rpm - 575+ ft = 77.6 mph, 1,430 rpm So if you want to throw 500ft you need to learn how to get up to 70mph. This information is of course only as good as the data and simulator. It will be interesting to check these numbers out with larger sample sizes and fieldwork to verify distances.
Seems like i have to crank up my flight speed. At the moment I got about 70mph and 1700+ spin. Max distance has been around 500ft on golf lines. I also got little to no wobble
@@hemuli2353 Do you , or did you ever "work" on spin? Or is it the outcome of how you have naturally learned to throw? Does there seem to be anything that correlates to higher and lower spin rates in your throws?
Your initial form Mikey was poetry in motion. Turning your back completely totally featured your good side. It's not about results; It's how good you look when you throw. So I'd go back and look good if I were you
Congrats on your improvements! Personally, I'm glad to see this type of video finally coming out. There's been too much division across the various coaches, that I think to some extent a few students take too personally, and try to tear down other coaches individually. Rather than accepting that they are all trying to help, they assume incompetence, if not ill intent. I think there's a little bit of "talking past each other" from coaches and students alike, and I think what gets ignored is that all of these coaches are helping a lot of people - despite being imperfect, or not knowing all the answers.
How popular would a proper disc golf simulator be, though? Like, I have no interest in doing it virtually. I would love to have the Techdisc to play with, though.
@@OfficeGhost-hn3rt I live in Tromsø, where it's 100% snow for 6 months. I still don't think a simulator would be any fun. I would love a driving simulator, but not a simulator for the full game.
congrats on the stats, those are amazing, i think this tech gives a lot of info to understan our throws, would be interesting to warmup, throw 5 throws play 6 holes then throw 5 throws another 6 holes another 5 throws... that would give you info about consistency over a normal round
Glad to see the continued success' of each of you on an individual basis as well as the entire collective of the O.T. buisness model and brand and what it brings to the growth and evolution of disc golf. To even having a online disc and merch store with the highly sought after disc molds and how they show support and growth with stocking other quality brands like Trash Panda discs and the important sustainability movement. The O.T. brand is one I highly reccomend and have and continue to gain strides in my form from applying the vast wealth of information they share not only online on youtube or instagram for free but with your patreons subscriptions you get more in depth analysis and those 1 on 1 break downs of individual said patreons form reviews. Along with the touring clinics Josh and O.T. have done. Each are great avenues to better your form with the entire O.T. team and you can count on O.T. staying on the leading edge of data collection for acheiving those top notch mechanics we all seek to gain with products they use like Tech Disc to ensure accurate data collection with no gimmicks but rather provide you with real science on how to improve your form and overall game as Mikey has clearly shown how its improved his form here. Im ready to see Mikey in the cash on the Pro Tour in 2024 already. Just saying, I can see it coming and you will too with Josh of O.T.'s excellent coaching strategies...... (and no Im not paid to say these things). I firmly believe in Josh and his knowledge and attention to the details.
Only thing is for me personally is age. If you're over 35, be careful about ripping yourself apart. Don't ignore pain with IB Profin, tread carefully whenever you have a break through
I had a chance to throw tech disc and i would totally buy it if it had a simulator. I would love to work mostly on accuracy and then try to add in some power. Im 43 and my dream of bombing is long gone but im always learning and trying to get better. Accuracy is the key though. They need to work on how to improve accuracy simulation.
I get that! Honestly that would be great. I know they are well on their way to making the first simulator for disc golf so maybe accuracy is just over the horizon with tech disc!
"yelling helps". When you yell you are expelling air which relaxes the muscles in your chest/back allowing the arm to move more freely. Prob why KJ does a big air expel when he throws bombs too. (Breathing out on drives helps me not tense my shoulder when I throw.)
Love this, Would be intresting to know what are the key points that you are thinking on while running up and throwing the disc to generate so much power. Would also be fun to see a slow-mo of your form. Also fun to know which tip helped you the most :) Also how much help would a beginner get from buying a tech disc get? ❤❤
It depends. I know for a fact though that a coach is better for a beginner than a tech disc. I really feel like someone needs to be guided through good form otherwise you might see a couple of your stats increase from doing something that is actually wrong, and then you will have something that is bad for you in the long run as your form just because you saw the stats go up. I would be careful
I feel like I should make a game that takes all the info from the disc and uses it to guide your in-game throw. To practice drives and putting on shot-shaping on rainy days and at night.
I’m trying to set up a space to run Onform app with a camera as well as a tech disc display and interface. Any guidance on a setup would be awesome!! Just for myself and some local buddies.
Question for you guys: Can you take the tech disc outside and throw a distance line (high anny release) like Garret, AB, Wiggins etc? I feel like you can't throw that line into a net because it's too high, you'll miss the net. Or does the tech disc not fly like a regular disc due to the puck? Can you still get the "simulated" distance from this type of throw outside?
You can throw the TechDisc outside to hit that max distance high-anny line. The TechDisc will fly more understable than a normal distance driver, but we only measure what you do to the disc, not how that disc flies. It would be fun to set up a max distance shot (high launch angle, negative nose angle, anhyzer) in the simulator and then try to match that in the field.
How much distance is lost by the -2.7 degree nose angle and the 10 degree launch angle? Wouldn't 0 degree and 5 degree yield the same result with less drag = more distance?
About nose-angle; Optimal noseangle depends on wing configuration. Please stop giving people the impression that 4 degrees down is optimal noseangle for everything
Your progress and achievements are impressive. Congrats! I'm curious. What is your age? Height? And your athletic background. I imagine you're also a pretty solid tennis player.
How do you think these numbers change if you were able to follow through with your entire body? Right now, it looks like you're on the home plate hitting home runs- which is awesome- but it looks like the setup you've got going on doesn't allow a full release of momentum and energy.
It actually helps our brace quite a bit and is easier to hit higher numbers indoors because of it. Eventually the goal would be to transfer momentum perfectly obviously but this is actually more efficient than blowing past the base.
@@OverthrowDiscGolfI wonder if the software adjusts the distance based on which disc it is. I am going to poke around on their website to see if I can find any reason to pick one disc over another for this. I could see picking a putter if you plan to throw in a field because it is less distance you have to go to retrieve it for the next throw. If you are throwing into a net then maybe the decision depends on which disc fits better in your hand. Need more data before I make the purchase. Love the idea and a big thank you to both of you for doing videos on this product.
Don't get mad at me but what I heard is "Josh is a bum." That's what they say in tennis. Joking. You guys are the church of disc golf. Preaching truth. Can I get an "Amen?"
Okay, in all seriousness; Math is truth, and the drive will now be in the matrix. Think about that for a moment. You throw a tech disc and in that moment of truth where you're like this is me. Then you look at the numbers and see you aren't shit. Seriously, I'm not sure tech disc is good for the sport. I guarantee it will break hearts and Im worried about the relationship of the art of disc golf and the science øƒ it. I don't like it. Thank god it's insanely expensive
It's not throwing far that is so beneficial, but being able to throw far that makes the difference. Being able to throw far mean you can disc down and not throw 90% power on shots of 300'. It lets you throw a putter inside 350' so you reduce or eliminate fade and skip. It allows you to throw a really over stable disc in the wind and still get 400', plus the reliability of not flipping the disc over and knowing it will fade predictably. Also, being able to throw far means your form is more refined and, if you don't need to throw max distance, you should be less likely to suffer from injuries. More distance is just a byproduct of better form, and better form improves your whole game.
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Based off of playing with the dashboard and simulator, seems like the ingredients for an ideal throw are about:
- 10-15° hyzer
- 0° nose angle
- 5° launch
- 3.5° wobble
I got these numbers by sorting by distance and the creating sets out of a few distance ranges.
Nose angle tended to be higher in the slower speeds, but it makes sense to me that at higher distances, on average, it wasn't all negative degrees of nose down, it was closer to zero at 0.3°. Anything not zero is probably going to create more drag since the disc is not flat. I think ideally, for distance you want to throw 0° nose angle to minimize resistance in the air. But manipulating the nose angle is definitely something to practice for shot shaping.
To me this indicates that the best release is clean, 0° nose angle, and slight hyzer. If you want to throw farther, speed is king.
Since the rpm increases pretty linearly with speed, I don't think you need to put more spin on the disc, just throw faster.
This is the average speed and rpm across distances:
- 400 ft = 62 mph, 1,100 rpm
- 450 ft = 66 mph, 1,200 rpm
- 500 ft = 71 mph, 1,300 rpm
- 550 ft = 75 mph, 1,400 rpm
- 575+ ft = 77.6 mph, 1,430 rpm
So if you want to throw 500ft you need to learn how to get up to 70mph. This information is of course only as good as the data and simulator. It will be interesting to check these numbers out with larger sample sizes and fieldwork to verify distances.
Seems like i have to crank up my flight speed. At the moment I got about 70mph and 1700+ spin. Max distance has been around 500ft on golf lines. I also got little to no wobble
@@hemuli2353 1700+ spin? Are you sure those numbers are correct?
100%
tested it at european open
@@hemuli2353 Do you , or did you ever "work" on spin? Or is it the outcome of how you have naturally learned to throw? Does there seem to be anything that correlates to higher and lower spin rates in your throws?
Your initial form Mikey was poetry in motion. Turning your back completely totally featured your good side. It's not about results; It's how good you look when you throw. So I'd go back and look good if I were you
Congrats on your improvements! Personally, I'm glad to see this type of video finally coming out. There's been too much division across the various coaches, that I think to some extent a few students take too personally, and try to tear down other coaches individually. Rather than accepting that they are all trying to help, they assume incompetence, if not ill intent. I think there's a little bit of "talking past each other" from coaches and students alike, and I think what gets ignored is that all of these coaches are helping a lot of people - despite being imperfect, or not knowing all the answers.
Thank you for helping all of us Josh!!!!
Is this technology going to be what propels a legit disc golf simulator? I sure hope so
How popular would a proper disc golf simulator be, though? Like, I have no interest in doing it virtually. I would love to have the Techdisc to play with, though.
Literally came here to comment this
@@0NicoLoco0 I live on Ohio so its 50/50 during the winter if you can play or not due to snow. I would love a simulator during winter.
@@OfficeGhost-hn3rt I live in Tromsø, where it's 100% snow for 6 months. I still don't think a simulator would be any fun. I would love a driving simulator, but not a simulator for the full game.
Hope so.
congrats on the stats, those are amazing, i think this tech gives a lot of info to understan our throws, would be interesting to warmup, throw 5 throws play 6 holes then throw 5 throws another 6 holes another 5 throws... that would give you info about consistency over a normal round
Congrats on your progress, that's amazing!
Glad to see the continued success' of each of you on an individual basis as well as the entire collective of the O.T. buisness model and brand and what it brings to the growth and evolution of disc golf. To even having a online disc and merch store with the highly sought after disc molds and how they show support and growth with stocking other quality brands like Trash Panda discs and the important sustainability movement. The O.T. brand is one I highly reccomend and have and continue to gain strides in my form from applying the vast wealth of information they share not only online on youtube or instagram for free but with your patreons subscriptions you get more in depth analysis and those 1 on 1 break downs of individual said patreons form reviews. Along with the touring clinics Josh and O.T. have done. Each are great avenues to better your form with the entire O.T. team and you can count on O.T. staying on the leading edge of data collection for acheiving those top notch mechanics we all seek to gain with products they use like Tech Disc to ensure accurate data collection with no gimmicks but rather provide you with real science on how to improve your form and overall game as Mikey has clearly shown how its improved his form here. Im ready to see Mikey in the cash on the Pro Tour in 2024 already. Just saying, I can see it coming and you will too with Josh of O.T.'s excellent coaching strategies...... (and no Im not paid to say these things). I firmly believe in Josh and his knowledge and attention to the details.
Thank you from all of us josh❤❤
Only thing is for me personally is age. If you're over 35, be careful about ripping yourself apart. Don't ignore pain with IB Profin, tread carefully whenever you have a break through
Jesus christ your progression from 3y ago to now :D lol strong stuff
It really has been insane!
Congrats 🎉
And cool video
Thanks!
I think I saw you at scrapyard in Charlotte this weekend? Forehand roller tip on 17. Thank you!
I had a chance to throw tech disc and i would totally buy it if it had a simulator. I would love to work mostly on accuracy and then try to add in some power. Im 43 and my dream of bombing is long gone but im always learning and trying to get better. Accuracy is the key though. They need to work on how to improve accuracy simulation.
I get that! Honestly that would be great. I know they are well on their way to making the first simulator for disc golf so maybe accuracy is just over the horizon with tech disc!
I'm trying to figure how to access those pros numbers on techdisc and can't find them. Where are they at?
"yelling helps". When you yell you are expelling air which relaxes the muscles in your chest/back allowing the arm to move more freely. Prob why KJ does a big air expel when he throws bombs too. (Breathing out on drives helps me not tense my shoulder when I throw.)
Man I can't wait to get my own Tech Disc!
Wait until you see the price😅
@@lukelevesque9632 I am aware of the cost, it was actually much less than I was expecting, so I am pretty psyched.
Before using it I thought the price was high but after using it I know it’s worth it!
@@OverthrowDiscGolf yeah i messaged my local retailer to get them to buy it and charge a fiver to use it 🤭
I was looking forward to getting one until the site said "Sorry we don't ship abroad" so GameProofer was the only option.
Love this,
Would be intresting to know what are the key points that you are thinking on while running up and throwing the disc to generate so much power.
Would also be fun to see a slow-mo of your form.
Also fun to know which tip helped you the most :)
Also how much help would a beginner get from buying a tech disc get?
❤❤
It depends. I know for a fact though that a coach is better for a beginner than a tech disc. I really feel like someone needs to be guided through good form otherwise you might see a couple of your stats increase from doing something that is actually wrong, and then you will have something that is bad for you in the long run as your form just because you saw the stats go up. I would be careful
When will AI help us improve form with video analysis 😂?
Your form was lot better 3 years ago. That brace was really solid
Fax
I feel like I should make a game that takes all the info from the disc and uses it to guide your in-game throw. To practice drives and putting on shot-shaping on rainy days and at night.
I’m trying to set up a space to run Onform app with a camera as well as a tech disc display and interface. Any guidance on a setup would be awesome!! Just for myself and some local buddies.
0:28 Truly majestic.
I love that throw with all my heart
Can you please compare the results of the tech disk to the arm speed app on the Apple Watch? I know it’s off but I’m wondering how much. :)
I’ll check! What app do you use
Question for you guys:
Can you take the tech disc outside and throw a distance line (high anny release) like Garret, AB, Wiggins etc? I feel like you can't throw that line into a net because it's too high, you'll miss the net. Or does the tech disc not fly like a regular disc due to the puck? Can you still get the "simulated" distance from this type of throw outside?
Good question. Josh and I were discussing that yesterday
You can throw the TechDisc outside to hit that max distance high-anny line. The TechDisc will fly more understable than a normal distance driver, but we only measure what you do to the disc, not how that disc flies.
It would be fun to set up a max distance shot (high launch angle, negative nose angle, anhyzer) in the simulator and then try to match that in the field.
You guys Rock.
Thanks! 😂
Väinö Mäkelä threw one with 78.84 mph and 1510.04 spin
That's terrifying ;) also I can't wait till we get Albert Tom and Simon Eagle aderhold and wiggins numbers
Yeah Väinö is incredible! His stats are insane
Yesss
How much distance is lost by the -2.7 degree nose angle and the 10 degree launch angle? Wouldn't 0 degree and 5 degree yield the same result with less drag = more distance?
5:40 you said there was a study for nose angles that found -4° to be optimal... Can you link that info?
“I’m Josh and I support this ad” 😂
exhaling would be similar to yelling. just a huge exhale , keep the courtesy violations at bay :) haha
About nose-angle; Optimal noseangle depends on wing configuration. Please stop giving people the impression that 4 degrees down is optimal noseangle for everything
How did you add the tags for the pros? I can't add any tags to my searches on tech disc
During events they have banners on the website to see how the pros are throwing
How accurate are the algorithms for distance and direction?
unsure. I wish I knew. I would look more heavily with mph as concerns distance and just make sure you don’t have a negative launch angle
Is Mason Ford generating a lot more spin relative to speed than the others? How is he doing that?
Can you use the tec disc and throw in a field?
You can
Any clue on why the pros lick their fingers? To get a better grip? Or loose grip?
I would assume for the grip!
Brodie is a strongand big guy who has thrown discs for many years.Makes since he throws hard
Oh yeah! For sure. Would love to see him in the distance comp
Frisbees /= discs
I gotta say, you found your worst form to show us in the beginning. It was hilarious! Haha! Yeah, it looks better nowadays ;)
It was definitely bad. But also fun to watch so… maybe it was good?
Your progress and achievements are impressive. Congrats!
I'm curious. What is your age? Height? And your athletic background. I imagine you're also a pretty solid tennis player.
Tall, youngish, and athletic -Josh
How does David Wiggins 360 run up affect speed and spin?
I’m sure both stats go up!
where is this technology available at?
If you look at the link in the description you will see the link to the tech disc!
I wish I could work with you guys.
Just curious you're claiming protier stats with your throwing toy so does that mean you're throwing 550 back hand as the pros do?
Absolutely. And if I’m not, then at least I know I have the same capability of doing it out on the course 👍 stats don’t lie
I'd be stoked to have AM1 throw stats 😢
Go for it!!!
How do you think these numbers change if you were able to follow through with your entire body? Right now, it looks like you're on the home plate hitting home runs- which is awesome- but it looks like the setup you've got going on doesn't allow a full release of momentum and energy.
It actually helps our brace quite a bit and is easier to hit higher numbers indoors because of it. Eventually the goal would be to transfer momentum perfectly obviously but this is actually more efficient than blowing past the base.
What are your thoughts on choosing which tech disc disc to buy?
Mikey here. I personally like the distance driver :)
@@OverthrowDiscGolfI wonder if the software adjusts the distance based on which disc it is. I am going to poke around on their website to see if I can find any reason to pick one disc over another for this. I could see picking a putter if you plan to throw in a field because it is less distance you have to go to retrieve it for the next throw. If you are throwing into a net then maybe the decision depends on which disc fits better in your hand. Need more data before I make the purchase. Love the idea and a big thank you to both of you for doing videos on this product.
Don't get mad at me but what I heard is "Josh is a bum." That's what they say in tennis. Joking. You guys are the church of disc golf. Preaching truth. Can I get an "Amen?"
I'd like to see stats for Evan Scott.
I think they are on the tech disc website
Comment for the YT algorithm
Really pulling those Gen Z viewers by holding the lav mic, eh? :P
Okay, in all seriousness; Math is truth, and the drive will now be in the matrix. Think about that for a moment. You throw a tech disc and in that moment of truth where you're like this is me. Then you look at the numbers and see you aren't shit. Seriously, I'm not sure tech disc is good for the sport. I guarantee it will break hearts and Im worried about the relationship of the art of disc golf and the science øƒ it. I don't like it. Thank god it's insanely expensive
Is tech disc $10 with shipping? I don't think I have it. What? Links to what? I don't get it!!!
Mom?
Brodie collaboration please I mean he's fairly local
lol he’d never 😂
Distance won't win but it helps!
Exactly, it's not everything but it helps to be able to drive most hopes to give yourself the birdie chance from 30 ft than, 130ft.
Distance helps to a point in disc golf, and then it just starts hurting your game 😂
It's not throwing far that is so beneficial, but being able to throw far that makes the difference. Being able to throw far mean you can disc down and not throw 90% power on shots of 300'. It lets you throw a putter inside 350' so you reduce or eliminate fade and skip. It allows you to throw a really over stable disc in the wind and still get 400', plus the reliability of not flipping the disc over and knowing it will fade predictably. Also, being able to throw far means your form is more refined and, if you don't need to throw max distance, you should be less likely to suffer from injuries. More distance is just a byproduct of better form, and better form improves your whole game.
@@OverthrowDiscGolf Yeah it's a little crazy a lot of players throwing o.b long on hole 1 at worlds because it's a short hole for pro bombers.
Well said. That’s where I’ve benefited, being able to use putters in 350 or less holes has been very useful
😴