Funny fact about that judge who scored 116 - 112 (Dave Morretii), He was also the same judge that gave Ryan Garcia a 10 in round 2 when he got knocked down and a 10 in round 3. That dude needs to be fired or investigated for sports betting, his judgment stinks.
I think one problem in boxing is that there are hardly ever draw rounds (like 10-10 or 9-9) and that's what makes this and many other fights look like a robbery. Haney didn't really take most of his rounds, it could have easily be given to Loma instead but Vasily won his rounds very confidently. I'd say we need draw rounds in the boxing, like in all other sports, say in football (soccer if you wish), if none of the teams scored a goal it will still be 0:0. We will not say "oh you know, this team was running faster, let's give it a point". It would make boxing so much better, IMO.
Because Loma is on OG everyone wanted to see him win against a young newcomer boxer who hasn't really proved his metal yet Also that push he gave Loma made people side against devin too.
I scored it 115-113 for Lomachenko, but I gave him the 6th round. Had you scored that a 10-10 round it would have been 115-114 Lomachenko, but I know people are hesitant to score even rounds, unless you're Dave Moretti, who will score a round 10-10 even with a knockdown.
Why tf would you give Lomachenko the 6th round? That was Haney’s best round, can you not even see someone giving him literally his best round of the fight.
Haney won rounds 1,2,4,5,6,9,12 & thats giving Loma a couple swing rounds Another thing people disregard is *ring* *generalship* a big part of it is implementing your gameplan Haneys gameplan was obviously to score often to the body & he did that successfully throughout the fight & Loma had no answers for it *Defense* also clearly went to Haney in most of the rounds as Loma missed alot more than he threw They both had moments with *effective* *aggression* but remember it's only effective when you land punches & your opponent isn't answering in the exchange *Clean* *effective* *punching* they both also had their moments but Lomas were over exaggerated by the crowd & Haneys were body work was overlooked as its not as flashy
@@junebug231985ldin 🤣🤣🤣 generalship and aggression were clearly loma. Defense was Haney he was landing good counter body punches. Clean effective punches can go either way but loma actually hurt devin. That gives him the edge. loma was def the aggressor and imposed his will on devin. Lomas ring generalship allowed him to land clean shots on the bigger man and actually hurt him. Devon had good defense but lomas angles are too tricky.
@@bigboris5774 Doesn't mean he outperformed Loma. Watch that round in slow motion, HD, and muted. Most of Loma's punches land cleanly while Haney's shots are partially guarded. The only reason why casuals give Haney round 2 and 6 is because of commentator bias.
@@mklein3564 The judges don’t watch fights in slow-mo, HD and muted. You can’t use things that the judges don’t have access too then use it as a reason to justify Loma winning the round then use that as a reason for the fight being a robbery.
Bro I was never really into boxing like that, then I kinda started getting into cuz the UA-cam boxing, but honestly, your videos have deadass made me super interested in the real boxers! Your videos are so detailed. I’m still a noob for sure, but you made me love the sport! Keep it up bro!
Couldn’t really understand why everybody was saying a robbery people are really starting to get confused with close fights being robberies. I personally scored it a draw I watched it three times and every single time I scored it a draw. I just really couldn’t see neither Haney or Loma really taking control of the fight also those rounds must’ve been hell to score for the judges because they were razor thin.
@@EdgyDabs47 in what way was it gifted? he won by barely one round. had loma came out strong in the 12th just like 10 and 11, it would’ve been a draw. it’s not like the judges watched the fight in its entirety THEN scored each round to give devin a win. how new are you to boxing ?
I do have Loma slighlty edging it out, or also maybe a draw. But it was a super close fight though. I think part of the reason why people were so upset about the decision was because it felt like Loma really put an exclamation mark on the fight with the way he dominated the last few rounds. But that shouldn't discredit the work Haney was putting in earlier on in the fight either. Even though I personally did have Loma edging it out, I can see how someone would score it for Haney too. The biggest thing is, I just have no idea how that 1 judge got 116-112 in favor of Haney though. That’s the part that feels off about it to me.
Loma admitted himself to giving away losing the 12th round, he clearly won ONLY the 11th round in that fight, with almost all other rounds showing Haney was more accurate even in the few where Loma landed a few more shots, Loma did not nearly even earn a draw in this fight by any metric of real boxing scoring. He really is terrible for the sport, when you have a fighter saying he lost a round when many of his fans said he dominated that same round we have a fighter that is overhyped into pure delusion, again, Loma is terrible for the sport.
Thought the same on the night, it was close. Haney W wasn't a robbery, although perhaps a tad controversial. I remember wondering why Loma took his foot off the gas in the 12th - why risk the judges giving it to Haney? I think, perhaps, Loma could have won the fight with the right attitude. He seemed to want to do just enough to win a round, and it cost him the fight.
@@dukington101accuracy doesn’t necessarily mean shit here, Haney was taller and had 6.5 inches more in reach so loma had to throw a lot more to get in and land so his accuracy is going to naturally be a lot lower, Haney did not win the last round. Your opinion is irrelevant of the fact. Lomas defense and generalship was better than haneys in that round and he also out landed Haney, if you rewatch it in slow low and look at compubox you’ll see that.
@Jon My opinion is irrelevant as Lomas own word? He said himself he lost that round buddy fanboys like you speading this delusion is why he's terrible for the sport.
I agree with your assessment but what really matters is right after the fight which is the most crucial part bc you get everyone's thoughts on who won. Like with the judges, they don't get to re-watch the fight and re-score it, so what matters most is right after the fight and after watching it live that Saturday night, I scored it 115-113 for Loma.
Finally someone with a good scoring, I hated that everyone was like robbery Loma won clearly, but they judged it by Lomas moments in 3 rounds and not in 12 rounds.
The thing is he didn't just have "moments" throughout the fight. He clearly threw more and landed more than Haney in the majority of the rounds, it's just that the most salient rounds for him were rounds 9-11. Even in rounds 1 he clearly outlands Haney.
Idk where this is even coming from. This whole Loma won because ppl only remember the last 3 rounds like wtf? I had loma 8-4 which DEFO does not = last rounds bias. Most other ppl agree. Wtf is u even on about.
I agreed with everything except the 12th round. Loma even said in the post interview conference that he took off the 12 round cuz he thought he dominated the other 11. It was not a robbery but was a super close fight
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I got it as a draw too, the second time watching it. But when I watched it live, I had Loma winning. Its always good to watch fights like this more than once.
I want to bring to your attention that in R2 1.10 seconds, commentators credit Haney for a "nice counter" but Haney missed and Loma hit a right cross. I also think some of Haney bodyshots were less than a jab since were hitting at the tail end basically just touching Loma moving backwards. Good on you giving 12th to Loma, Haney hits a couple of lowblow he just made it look good.
I’m glad you posted this! I was wondering if I had been watching the same fight as the announcers, as well as the judges. Haney threw a lot of air punches. Loma won the fight.🥊🥊
When I watched the fight live, I thought it was a draw. The second time I watched it, Haney barely won. I think the main problem with this fight is that Haney didn't completely dominate the rounds which he won. I don't really understand why Lomachenko gave away the 12th round. Maybe he was completely exhausted or he thought he had won the fight and didn't need the 12th round.
Also believe Haney just barely won, but I think one of the main issues with Haney was that he expended unnecessary amounts of energy in the first couple of rounds, & didn’t properly defend himself in the later rounds, even when he tried to attack he lacked the technique he kept most of the fight
Loma might have stepped off the gas but he didn’t give it away, he out-landed Haney and had better defense and generalship that round. He should have been given the points for it.
lol Haney did shit, barely landed any clean shots to the head. This was like the Canelo-Lara fight, with one fighter landing all the clean and damaging shots to the head, then Haney fanboys clutching at body shots to make an argument for their guy@@lordsafro
@@user-io6eq9gt6w idk if you’re trying to assume that I’m biased in some way, or if I’m just reading this wrong, but just in case you are, let me state this very plainly: I was not rooting for either party to win over each other, because at the time, I had a very little grasp of their abilities. I literally did not know enough about either of them to take a side in that moment. I just watched to see 2 great fighters fight, and it was indeed a great fight. Edit: also the focus should not be on just head or body shots, it should be focused on who outboxed who, and after watching the fight unbiased 3 different times, Devin won that. If you feel differently that's cool too.
I agree with most of your rounds, minus one or two going to either Loma or Haney, but my biggest contention is the 11th round. I would probably scored the 11th a 10-8 seeing the dominance Loma had. Haney was exhausted, threw almost no punches, had no blocking, and would try to clinch and hold Loma almost any time Loma got close. I'm surprised the ref didn't step in and warn Haney for the holding and not too mention all the shots to the back of Lomas head.
It wasn't that wide of a margin that's ridiculous and wishful thinking. Fighters hardly ever get 10-8 rounds if it's not from a knockdown. Loma did not knock Haney down and although Haney was in trouble, not once did he look like he was getting knocked out.
@@nerdygiant7805 10-8 rounds can happen from either penalty point reduction, knock downs, or if one fighter effectively dominates their opponent, where the opponent either can't respond, runs away, holds their defense or is constantly clinching. It's rare but not unheard of. Haney ran away, repeatedly clinched, and was getting dismantled by Loma. Effectively, it could have been ruled a 10-8 round.
@@kalwiggy 'Effectively' by who's standards? I know the circumstances in which a 10-8 round would arise, but in the circumstance you're suggesting is the least probable. Haney would've had to have been beaten pillar to post, and even when judges score 10-8 rounds where there's no knockdowns, it's incredibly rare for that scoring to be unanimous. That's how ridiculous your suggestion is (obviously i'm not including circumstances where there's a point deduction). Also, extremely exaggerate just how dominant Lomachenko was in that round. It was definitely his best, but he had great moments, he did not completely dominate have Haney completely defenseless. Hell, the final minute of that round Haney was even walking Lomachenko down. That's a 10-9 round standard. To give Loma a wider margin is just bias.
Devin won most his rounds marginally, Loma dominated 2-3 of the 6 or 7 he won. *especially 10 & 11* hence the *ROBBERY* in *R10* on Moretti's card. A draw or Loma 115-113 for me #💯❤️🥊
I think the problem with scoring is that it doesn't differentiate between someone winning around by a razor thin margin and somebody winning a round clearly. In my eyes this fight was not a robbery It was a close fight that swung the wrong way because of holes in the scoring system.
I scored it 114 - 114 too. This was NOT a robbery, this was just a tough fight to score. Very close and high level boxing. Hats off to both guys for putting it all on the line in the ring.
I also had it 114-114. Most of the rounds were close and it was tough to score. I was pulling for Loma but a Haney victory by that margin didn't seem egregious to me.
@@reptilian_geneticist I completely disagree! This fight was so close I genuinely don't think either man did enough to edge the win. They both had good moments throughout the fight, but it was just that close. I gave 6 rounds to Haney and 6 rounds to Loma. The UD was bogus, they should've made it a draw and activated an immediate rematch claus.
@@Noah-SMCOC if you think it was a dead even draw then a unanimous win for Haney is a robbery!!! You just said the same thing in different words 😂 this just a terminology battle, you just don't like the word robbery or what?... lmao...
It was a really close fight, and I can understand why people think Loma won, but it was not a robbery People need to realize: 1) All 12 rounds equally matter, not just the last three where Loma did well 2) Close fights aren’t robberies. If Loma fought the entire fight the same way he fought in round 11 and still lost a decision, that’s a robbery. This wasn’t the case. There were tons of close rounds 3) This is another example of why I watch fights without the sound. The crowd and commentators WILL influence your judgement 4) The fact that there is a strong debate about this fight with lots of people saying it was a close fight, giving it a draw, or even giving it to Haney is probably a good sign that it wasn’t a robbery
nothing but facts ! really upsets me that devin doesn’t get to enjoy the victory. yea it wasn’t the best performance considering how close it was but it was a great one nonetheless for the 24yo undisputed champ
So, all the close rounds were for Haney? From 1 to 8? Because the way I see it, it is what judges thought. The last three, and even four, rounds were clearly won by Loma (especially those rounds 11 and 12). I think that Loma, a 35 yo, was the winner of the fight and the judges gave the victory to Haney just because he has an undefeated record. Boxing was very unfair in this fight.
Not at all! If you thought Loma won, that’s totally fair, it was super close. I had it 6-6 but could have see it going either way. I’m really not sure why this has become a huge controversy. I suppose because devin’s rounds weren’t as flashy or attention grabbing as lomas 10 and 11 but it shouldn’t matter as the fight is scored round by round. The 116-112 is def a bad call but even if moretti scored it 155-113, people woulda still been outraged. There was def bias too as loma was the big fan favorite, the shove didn’t do him any good lol.
@@ItzSinatraa no it’s not, it being a unanimous decision doesn’t mean the judges think haney sweeped loma or something lmao. it just means they all happened to agree, not to mention it was 115-113 for two of em, so just by one round. yea a draw would be ideal but 🤷♂️ that’s how boxings been forever, wanna ensure a win? either don’t leave it to the judges or have a strong dominant performance
@@Juan-pq1eh 8-4 is bull dude. Which 8 rounds did you see loma win ? 1-6 was at least 4 rounds devin. 7 was close, 9 was close and 12 was devin. With all swing rounds and lomas rounds all given to loma of course it could be 8-4 but that’s just bias lol. You cant tell me loma won all the swing rounds.
Thank you!!! You have to do this more often with past videos of other fights that have been a robbery. I completely agreed that it should have been ruled a draw!!
Great breakdown even tho I had loma winning 8-4. Initially I screamed robbery but after rewatching and understanding the subjectivity with Scoring a fight i can see how some would hav haney winning but I think that is extremely generous and should have been a draw due to being so difficult to score. Would love to see a rematch to see how the fighters adapt to what they now know of each other.
Theres literally a landed punch count video out and loma controlled most of the ring the entire fight. Loma walked down the bigger man and imposed his game plan on haney. Haney lost 8-4 Loma true undisputed lw champ.
After watching through it for about 6h in 0.25 speed & replay of certain things to get everything right & judging it off the judging criteria, It really isn’t close if we look at the judging criteria. Significant punches is the primary factor when scoring a fight & makes defence, ring generalship & effective aggression be scored if significant punches are landed or negated. Rd 1: Sig. punches landed: 6-2 Loma 10-9 Loma (10-9 Loma) Rd 2: Sig. punches landed: 10-6 Loma 10-9 Loma (20-18 Loma) Rd 3: Sig. punches landed: 10-10 10-9 Haney (29-28 Loma) (Can’t find footage from 1:54-1:46 in rd3) Rd 4: Sig. punches landed: 10-10 10-9 Haney (38-38) Rd 5: Sig. punches landed: 15-13 Loma 10-9 Loma (48-47 Loma) Rd 6: Sig. punches landed: 12-8 Loma 10-9 Loma (58-56 Loma) Rd 7: Sig. punches landed: 11-8 Loma 10-9 Loma (68-65 Loma) Rd 8: Sig. punches landed: 9-9 10-9 Haney (77-75 Loma) Rd 9: Sig. punches landed: 12-12 10-9 Haney (86-85 Loma) Rd 10: Sig. punches landed: 9-6 Loma 10-9 Loma (96-94 Loma) Rd 11: Sig. punches landed: 19-3 Loma 10-9 Loma (106-103 Loma) Rd 12: Sig. punches landed: 7-16 Haney 10-9 Loma (115-113 Loma) Final Score: 115-113 Loma (7-5 Loma). There’s a difference between a close fight in it being close in rounds & each round being close. There’s a potential nearly every round Haney won that Loma could’ve won like 3, 4, 8 & 9 Though in the later rounds (9-12),I did speed it up & onto slowed it down for Lomas punches & ever punch Haney landed that looked hard & clean, I just counted. Atoras boxing also has punches landed but it was taken down & it wasn’t even close.
Hey Tj can you Please make videos about Shakur Vs devin Haney , Shakur Vs Gervonta Davis , And the upcoming fight between Errol Spence Jr. Vs Terrence Crawford and what that would be like?
Shakur and Haney is fairly even Haney might be a little better but he has shown difficulty against southpaw so I would give shakur that fight shakur was Davis shakur would win and Crawford will probably beat spence
@@hackedboss9106 Shakur definitely is good but he lacks power , Shakur vs Haney would be a chess match , Devin can’t handle taking damage on the inside so if Shakur can get on the inside he might get the win , gervonta I feel like once he figures out shakur’s strategy it’s over for Shakur
@@officialsen-sae9780 I think shakur beats Davis because of is defense he’ll win more rds than Davis and has the defense to beat tank, also shakur won’t get overconfident like some other boxers do while facing tank
Saying Loma won the 12th when he himself said he lost it is baffling. Overall a good breakdown from someone who it sounds like wanted Loma to win or at least isn’t a fan of Devin. The 116-112 scored wouldn’t be crazy if he had given Devin a different round instead of the 10th. The 10th and 11th were the clearest Loma rounds
I think it was legit than Haney got the decision even tho I would have given it to Loma👍 But when I saw the scorecards I really knew that something fishy was really going here🤨
I rewatched the fight again I still had it for Lomachenko. bro idk what fight you saw at first I had it 8-4 for Lomachenko after watching it again I had it 7-5 for Lomachenko.
116-112 ok would you stop the Bs already! Loma was not that dominant, and news flash he’s not that good… it has nothing to do with race, it’s fact. Hopefully you cried with him, sometimes these things can be hard to accept alone😢 😅
@@flexgado249 you’d be surprised flex. There’s all kinds rejects sayin devin won because of this, because of that. They also make it like a Tyson fury v. Wilder kinda vibe.. it’s horrible, some people not you though…
I was expecting for Loma to come out top in this fight but as I've watched many videos trying to find an answer. It seems generally all are indecisive. Draw would be a correct result here. Can we have Mayweather and Pacquiao analysis also?
You guys just don't understand, Haney is very good at ring generalship, he lure Loma to go where exactly where he want it and land a devasting punches and in the process getting outlanded with accurate punch that snapped back Haney's head multiple time, and even rocked him not once, you don't need slowmo just a frame that I pick is enough, what? Maybe it was Loma game plan to follow Haney so he can land more accurate punches? Nah
Looking back, my big issue with this fight was that it was scored Unanimous Decision! That's absolutely insane. At best this should have been a draw, at worst a split for either guy because the fight was super close.
@@tactmatic The issue is that promoters control almost every aspect of a boxing match, including WHO the judges are. It's very easy to to do and happens more than people think. Bob Arum is Haney's promoter and owns Top Rank, who made this event. A boxing judge relies on staying in the good graces of the promoters to have a job. Hence, people think the fix may have been in.
@@heyyyScotty i dont think we looking at the same comment section bud. also calling others casuals doesnt make you an elite fan tf. like lets keep it a buck, you call guys casuals, what you call yourself. the opposite of casual is formal so you a 'formal' fan like bruh that sound goofy
In my scorecard there were a lot of close rounds but I leaned towards Haney. I wonder if the majority of fans were more of a Loma fan and leaned those closer rounds to Loma
the only way a “competitive” fight could be “clearly” won by someone is by way of knockout. It was a close fight and I think if loma had let his hands go a bit more we could justify a robbery.
Yeah the fight just appeared somewhat even because Loma LET Haney win rounds that he didn't think he needed... That's why anyone with an eye for boxing (like all the analysts, commentators and fellow boxers watching the fight) all say that Loma won or deserved the draw at the very least...
@@reptilian_geneticist Loma didn't control the fight he only controlled part of it. More specifically the latter rounds, but watch how many times Devin resets Loma. Every reset is an exchange, and because Loma let Haney reset him he was down 2:1 in terms of exchanges for every round Haney won, and for the ones he didn't win it was a 1:1 or 1:1.25 exchange won rate. That also encompasses ring generalship, effective aggression, and defense
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT. I disagree wit the 12th but I agree wit everything else and that’s fine cause it’s a CLOSE fight. U dropping knowledge!!!
Great video! I had this fight at 115 to 114 for Loma. Loma should have turned it up sooner and overwhelm Haney. I am still hopeful for a rematch but should Haney fight Stevenson, I don't think it will be as competitive. Stevenson is a level above Haney and if their fight goes the distance, it will end in a 116-112 or 117-111 in favor of Stevenson. Honestly, the next big bout should have been Loma vs Stevenson and that would have been one hell of a fight, an even crazier chess game. If Haney fights Davis, Haney will get K.O'd/TKO'D between round 6 to 8. I am eager to find out what your opinion is on the Crawford vs Spence! That one I see it going to all the way with a 115-113 for Crawford.
@@smokyx What a pickle for Haney indeed! If he fights Davis or Stevenson, it will be very difficult for him to win derisively. Should he move up in weight, it may be considered ducking. 🤔 What will he do?
@@smokyx Yes you are I can see how your discrediting one man a hoping some other fighters beat him because your king lost. Thats not a fan of boxing thats hating on another fighter. Do you feel the same way when they gave your king a 117-111 score over ortiz? That's way worse than 116-112 . After that bad score for Loma did you want Haney to beat him and say if Loma moved back down to 135 that would be a duck??? See you fan boys are You in love with a fighter and hate another but your a fan of boxing?? Ok got it
Good luck, bro. In my opinion, I think Loma took too long to unleash his true style. It could be that the body shots affected him in the earlier rounds, which is why he was a bit more defensive. It was a close fight. I would still give it to Haney, but the scorecard did Loma bad for sure
I think this video described it perfectly. Either a draw or given to Loma. That’s because the close rounds were all given to Haney despite the fact that Loma could have easily gotten these. Also, you mention cleaner punches as a criteria and the most important one but do not mention that Loma landed cleaner punches in the rounds you give to Haney for “ring dominance” whatever that is meant to signify.
Either draw or loma😂 as if loma was boxing himself. Or what you saw is law 😂. As easy as you can say so boldly either loma or draw, one could argue devin or draw… you people are funny, that’s for sure 😂… accept it, move on, it’s not that bad, and he’s not that good..😂😢 😂
Lomachenko landed the cleaner shots from rounds 1-12. Haney probably legitimately won 4 rounds but every close round goes to Lomachenko because his shots were cleaner in every close round. Many of Haney’s “scored” punches were truly glancing blows or body shots that merely “touched” Lomachenko with no damage as he backed out of range.
I know how fights are scored. Scoring how fights are scored Haney only won 3 rounds that he clearly won. 4,6,9. Lomachenko won probably 6 rounds clearly. In every swing round Lomachenko landed the cleaner shots by far. The body shots by Haney were almost always offset by clear crisp combinations landed to the head by Lomachenko. Haney did not bank rounds early either. Lomachenko easily won rounds 2,3,5. Round 1 was a true toss up. Lomachenko was never hurt. Haney was hurt and in danger in rounds 10, & 11. Despite the desperate trope that Haney won round 12 Lomachenko won round 12 even though a battered Haney made it interesting Lomachenko threw more and landed more following up the damage he did in 10 & 11. Haney looked exhausted, bloodied, and confused. He was probably praying for a draw the second before the ref raised his hand in fraudulent victory.
This was the best breakdown I’ve seen so far. Somebody with no bias breaking it down round by round and telling us why he was scoring it the way he was. People calling it a robbery don’t know what the term “robbery” means in boxing or they are just Loma super fans . I had it 7-5 Haney but it could’ve went either way. Such a great fight, I wish Haney wasn’t outgrowing the division because a rematch would be 🔥
I feel like Loma has been fighting at the level of his opponents for the last few fights. Whether that’s a mental hang up or just the damage adding up, I don’t know.
i honestly felt if it was a win in haney’s or lomas favor it shouldn’t be a unanimous decision rather it be split or a draw. i enjoyed the fight over all, a very technical fight but i thought it wasn’t a unanimous decision rather a split one.
@@aureum7479 How u ?? do yall just talk to talk or do u actually think of what you're saying ?? if anything unanimous decision could be cleaner and less biased
@@chim8939 i already felt the fight was an extremely close fight, and i think if it was unanimous even in Lomachenkos favor the judging would be also called out as terrible. I felt and scoring the fight would either like in this vid result in a draw or the winner having won by 1-2 points but not a unanimous in favor of haney or loma. this does confirm to me however that i think Haney needs to shift weight classes because loma gave him issues and this wasn’t even a prime lomachenko. especially if he fights a fighter in lightweight with actual knockout power like a davis it could be very bad for him. i do feel however that rank or shakur see this fight and now feel more inclined to challenge for the belts.
I had Loma winning 115-113. Either way, it's over and Haney kept his titles. As a hardcore Loma fan, I'd love to see Haney fight Tank, lose the fight and see Tank become undisputed, then watch Loma fight Tank and defeat him (preferably by TKO/KO) to become undisputed.
i think you're overlooking the fact that those "hard hooks to the body" where pretty much just pillow touches for points, they literally had 0 effect every single time on Loma.
Loma had to jump back 5’ every time. This is not street fighter. Jumping takes a lot of energy. HANEY MADE HIM JUMP BACK. You are a casual. Prolly never been in a boxing ring.
No two judges gave the same rounds to the same fighters. This fight was extremely close and difficult to judge. I had it 7-5 for Loma on fight night but after watching again and seeing other people break down the fight, I can see it both ways.
Nope, dude is built for bodybuilding not fight. Dude can’t take a punch from Haney bare fist, he wouldn’t even get close to Haney. Handy would react fast before he even touches Haney. Hop off his🍆
@@PotatoSlices he won’t though😂 Haney has fast reaction and by the time he gets close haneys bare fist will most likely do damage to his skull. He’s too slow
There needs to be an update to scoring. A fighter who edges a round should get a 10-9 and a fighter who dominants a round (without KO) should get a 10-8 to differentiate rounds more
This is why boxing and other promotions gotta do the ONE scoring criteria. A fight should be judged as a whole and by the end, not round by round. This is why ppl feel Loma shouldve won, because he technically was winning a fight, Devin was MAYBE winning the competition of the sport, but anyone with eyes can see that the one closer to the finish was Loma, which defaults him to winning a FIGHT. This is kinda like Aljo vs henry, where aljo used the rules to “win” even tho the optics suggested he was losing.
This is one of the dumbest things I've heard. Losing early rounds and winning a few late by a wide margin doesn't mean you won the fight. Fights are scored correctly. Round by round, not this bs.
I have analyzed 4 rounds in slow mo, actually taking time to see where and how every punch lands. So far: Haney wins 1, but its close. 2 and 3 complete blowout by Loma, lands much more, initiates much more, lands stronger. 4th, about same amount of lands, but half of Loma's shots are powerful, whether its head-snapping jab, or left straight and Haney land literally zero heavy punches, just common jabs and barely-touching punches, and Loma pushes pace a little bit more.
@@bigboris5774 yeah, they are watching it live in infinitely good resolution, a meter from the ring, so they have far better chance to see every single punch and don't have to rewatch it in slow mo...Of course assuming they are good at their job...
Can't believe that one judge gave Haney round 10. That was the only really bad call with the judges. I also think 12 was pretty clear to be Lomas bit it was close. I think i had a draw on my scorecards. Not even close to a robbery.
i have 2 questions that i hold can be answered(i’m someday new to boxing) 1. if it was a tie does that mean haney would still be undisputed? 2. what happenes when a boxer doesnt make weight at a weigh in do they just get fined?
Yeah if it was a draw Haney would keep the belts and titles, you only lose them if you lose a fight, retire or have a long layoff. If they don’t make weight they may have to surrender the title with only the opponent able to win the title along with a fine or the fight can be cancelled or they can make it catch weight with no title. Depends really.
Bro, how do you score that 2nd round for Haney when Loma landed 12 punches and 9 of them were power punches? Even the corrupt judges gave Loma rounds 2 and 3 yet they didn't give him rounds 10 and 12 even tho Loma landed more total punches and power punches in each of those rounds.
I had it a draw too, but at best either one of them could have pulled a split decision. The UD was wild to me and the 116-112 was crazy. The whole time Loma was gettin those left straights in i was thinking that Tank was watching that and knew that he could knock him out easy.
I was at the fight live. Majority of unbiased fans I was around felt that Loma took the fight with the last 4 rounds. I thought it was a draw until the last 4 rounds which Loma won all 4. I woulda of called it a draw or Loma win but the rematch should already be in the works.
W video. Ur video explains why ppl say it was a robbery, because we wouldve been happy with a draw and maybe even a slight Loma edge, but NOT a devin win. This means that 2/3 decisions wouldve been fair to most ppl, yet judges went with the 1/3 option and gifted haney a win.
Loma landed more punches, landed more power shots, landed more combinations. Loma wobbled him even. I get that we have to score "by rounds" but the unanimous decision here is indefensible imo. You gave p much every "very close" round to Haney and it came out a draw on your cards. Scoring this a UD for Haney is ridiculous.
I think the Robbery comments come from the fact that it was scored so decisively for Haney, expecially with Dave Moretti's 116-112 scoring. The fact of the matter is that thebfight was super close and if you go and look at the judges scorecards they make very little sense - some of the easiest rounds to score they would somehow get wrong (especially Moretti). It's easy to say Robbery because since it was so close of a fight, the judges might be biased to give those razor thin rounds to the favored, undefeated, young fighter. Regardless, this fight should have been a draw, and that is what sort of makes it a robbery.
@brooklyn560 It's the fact that 3 judges gave it to Haney, one of them being 8 to 4 and 2 of them being 7 to 5 in a fight that should have been a draw or even potentially swung the other way. Some of the rounds best for Lomachenko were even given to Haney. Even if on paper It's close when you look at the broader picture, they were inclined to just give it to Haney regardless. I'm not saying 7 to 5 isn't close, I'm saying the broad picture is where it seems just wrong
the problem with the body shots is they were not causing any damage. if you land one at a time and it doesnt affect the aggression of the opponent, then theyre not an issue when compared to Loma throwing and landing effective combos 3-4 at a time. So these body shots that never hurt Loma really had no affect and were single shots. Loma hurt Devin, Devin never hurt Loma
I mean some casuals don’t understand this but it’s not only just damage they score they also score defense, ring general ship, and aggression which makes this way tougher to score so it might not be as much of a robbery
Funny fact about that judge who scored 116 - 112 (Dave Morretii), He was also the same judge that gave Ryan Garcia a 10 in round 2 when he got knocked down and a 10 in round 3. That dude needs to be fired or investigated for sports betting, his judgment stinks.
I just know he in Cancun blowing $$$ by now😂
He's also the same judge that scored Hagler vs Leonard 118-110 for Leonard
Crazy
its cause hes old af
@@thejadurant6682
No he wasn’t that was JoJo Guerra
I think one problem in boxing is that there are hardly ever draw rounds (like 10-10 or 9-9) and that's what makes this and many other fights look like a robbery. Haney didn't really take most of his rounds, it could have easily be given to Loma instead but Vasily won his rounds very confidently.
I'd say we need draw rounds in the boxing, like in all other sports, say in football (soccer if you wish), if none of the teams scored a goal it will still be 0:0. We will not say "oh you know, this team was running faster, let's give it a point".
It would make boxing so much better, IMO.
Great point it usually only happens when both fighters get a knockdown, but it doesn't always take a knockdown to score a 10-8 round.
Facts
He won the first minute in every round except 3 but Loma was given credit like he was just pressing the right
I might be wrong but I think you can tie in boxing in a round, I believe it’s just not done often at all.
Round 9 would be a prime example of what a 10-10 round looks like
all i'm saying is this, if Loma got the win nobody would be calling a robbery..
Cuz most ppl saw it a draw or loma win.
Because Loma is on OG everyone wanted to see him win against a young newcomer boxer who hasn't really proved his metal yet
Also that push he gave Loma made people side against devin too.
I mean you have people who still call the fury v wilder trilogy a robbery…
Yea i think most ppl had loma winning or at least a draw but out of the 2 only 1 did enough or at least even tried to do enough to win.
because loma was the heavy fan favorite and there’s not many people ready to die to defend haney lmao. what are are u trying to say?
I scored it 115-113 for Lomachenko, but I gave him the 6th round. Had you scored that a 10-10 round it would have been 115-114 Lomachenko, but I know people are hesitant to score even rounds, unless you're Dave Moretti, who will score a round 10-10 even with a knockdown.
Why tf would you give Lomachenko the 6th round? That was Haney’s best round, can you not even see someone giving him literally his best round of the fight.
Haney won rounds 1,2,4,5,6,9,12 & thats giving Loma a couple swing rounds
Another thing people disregard is *ring* *generalship* a big part of it is implementing your gameplan
Haneys gameplan was obviously to score often to the body & he did that successfully throughout the fight & Loma had no answers for it
*Defense* also clearly went to Haney in most of the rounds as Loma missed alot more than he threw
They both had moments with *effective* *aggression* but remember it's only effective when you land punches & your opponent isn't answering in the exchange
*Clean* *effective* *punching* they both also had their moments but Lomas were over exaggerated by the crowd & Haneys were body work was overlooked as its not as flashy
@@junebug231985ldin 🤣🤣🤣 generalship and aggression were clearly loma. Defense was Haney he was landing good counter body punches. Clean effective punches can go either way but loma actually hurt devin. That gives him the edge. loma was def the aggressor and imposed his will on devin. Lomas ring generalship allowed him to land clean shots on the bigger man and actually hurt him. Devon had good defense but lomas angles are too tricky.
@@bigboris5774 Doesn't mean he outperformed Loma. Watch that round in slow motion, HD, and muted. Most of Loma's punches land cleanly while Haney's shots are partially guarded. The only reason why casuals give Haney round 2 and 6 is because of commentator bias.
@@mklein3564
The judges don’t watch fights in slow-mo, HD and muted. You can’t use things that the judges don’t have access too then use it as a reason to justify Loma winning the round then use that as a reason for the fight being a robbery.
Bro I was never really into boxing like that, then I kinda started getting into cuz the UA-cam boxing, but honestly, your videos have deadass made me super interested in the real boxers! Your videos are so detailed. I’m still a noob for sure, but you made me love the sport! Keep it up bro!
Couldn’t really understand why everybody was saying a robbery people are really starting to get confused with close fights being robberies. I personally scored it a draw I watched it three times and every single time I scored it a draw. I just really couldn’t see neither Haney or Loma really taking control of the fight also those rounds must’ve been hell to score for the judges because they were razor thin.
Yup also scored it a draw
But the scorecards clearly shows a robbery especially when it said 116-112 and also when they gave Lomas most dominant round to devin Haney
@@cxrruptedkxm5525That was one judge that gave that round to Haney, the other two didn’t.
Any fight that goes to a person who doesn't deserve to win, is a robbery. Doesn't matter if its close or not.
116-112 not a robbery?
A classic saying “A CLOSE FIGHT DOESNT MEAN A ROBBERY”
A close fight should be a draw then. Why was Haney gifted the win?
@@EdgyDabs47 in what way was it gifted? he won by barely one round. had loma came out strong in the 12th just like 10 and 11, it would’ve been a draw. it’s not like the judges watched the fight in its entirety THEN scored each round to give devin a win. how new are you to boxing ?
@@EdgyDabs47 lmao a close fight should be a draw? That’s probably one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.
Who cares, boxing is rigged. Bivol was up like 9 or 10 rounds on Canelo to get a 115-113.
@@dav2830 UD means the judges didn't see it as close, and one judge had it 116-112.
I do have Loma slighlty edging it out, or also maybe a draw. But it was a super close fight though. I think part of the reason why people were so upset about the decision was because it felt like Loma really put an exclamation mark on the fight with the way he dominated the last few rounds. But that shouldn't discredit the work Haney was putting in earlier on in the fight either. Even though I personally did have Loma edging it out, I can see how someone would score it for Haney too. The biggest thing is, I just have no idea how that 1 judge got 116-112 in favor of Haney though. That’s the part that feels off about it to me.
Draw is fine, we can swap the performance. If loma performs like Haney. I wouldn’t give the win to Loma either.
Loma admitted himself to giving away losing the 12th round, he clearly won ONLY the 11th round in that fight, with almost all other rounds showing Haney was more accurate even in the few where Loma landed a few more shots, Loma did not nearly even earn a draw in this fight by any metric of real boxing scoring. He really is terrible for the sport, when you have a fighter saying he lost a round when many of his fans said he dominated that same round we have a fighter that is overhyped into pure delusion, again, Loma is terrible for the sport.
Thought the same on the night, it was close. Haney W wasn't a robbery, although perhaps a tad controversial.
I remember wondering why Loma took his foot off the gas in the 12th - why risk the judges giving it to Haney?
I think, perhaps, Loma could have won the fight with the right attitude. He seemed to want to do just enough to win a round, and it cost him the fight.
@@dukington101accuracy doesn’t necessarily mean shit here, Haney was taller and had 6.5 inches more in reach so loma had to throw a lot more to get in and land so his accuracy is going to naturally be a lot lower, Haney did not win the last round. Your opinion is irrelevant of the fact. Lomas defense and generalship was better than haneys in that round and he also out landed Haney, if you rewatch it in slow low and look at compubox you’ll see that.
@Jon My opinion is irrelevant as Lomas own word? He said himself he lost that round buddy fanboys like you speading this delusion is why he's terrible for the sport.
I agree with your assessment but what really matters is right after the fight which is the most crucial part bc you get everyone's thoughts on who won. Like with the judges, they don't get to re-watch the fight and re-score it, so what matters most is right after the fight and after watching it live that Saturday night, I scored it 115-113 for Loma.
Finally someone with a good scoring, I hated that everyone was like robbery Loma won clearly, but they judged it by Lomas moments in 3 rounds and not in 12 rounds.
Loma won
@@Jack-fr9bk who has all the belts tho? lol you can say what you want
The thing is he didn't just have "moments" throughout the fight. He clearly threw more and landed more than Haney in the majority of the rounds, it's just that the most salient rounds for him were rounds 9-11. Even in rounds 1 he clearly outlands Haney.
Idk where this is even coming from. This whole Loma won because ppl only remember the last 3 rounds like wtf? I had loma 8-4 which DEFO does not = last rounds bias. Most other ppl agree. Wtf is u even on about.
it’s the worst scoring i’ve seen😂
Waited for this video after the fight. Finally its here
Good video bro nice work fan from the U.K.
I agreed with everything except the 12th round. Loma even said in the post interview conference that he took off the 12 round cuz he thought he dominated the other 11. It was not a robbery but was a super close fight
exactly... he basically gave loma the 12th round to make the video less controversial. 🤦♂
Loma was honestly a dumbass for that. Usyk at least finished the 12th round stron agaist AJ of hich if he did what Loma did, he wouldve been robbed
@@nour74706The man said he watched the fight like 4 times.... Why can't he have an opinion of his own? 🤦🏾♂️
@@nour74706 there are 2 controversial round in this fight, 9 and 12.
I think 12 was the closest round and i gave it to loma but i also think loma won round 1
Yes, it was!
@@Dylan-uz4nq bruh y u making it political. you’re weird
@@Dylan-uz4nq Bro really thinking Democrat is an insult 💀
@@jacksonbeeftown6908 weird guy of course he deletes his comments 🤣
@@cainstero what happened?
It was a draw
just wanna let you know that you are my favorite boxing and mma breakdown channel i always wait for you to drop and save the video to watch it while im eating
I appreciate you breaking this down and sharing your opinion.
Hey TJ, if possible could you include the specific songs in the description? It took me forever to find this song before from your calf kicks video, thanks!
I got it as a draw too, the second time watching it. But when I watched it live, I had Loma winning. Its always good to watch fights like this more than once.
Really good breakdown. Thank you.
Thats a great review thank You man
I'd love for a review like this to be done for floyd vs pacquiao. I know it was ages ago but it was interesting to say the least
Fight wasn't even close
Floyd killed him wym
Pac won that won fo sho
@@beejaybeej you must be on that gas, fuck were you watching
Lol almost everyone had this fight 9-3 Floyd why would he review that fight😂
I want to bring to your attention that in R2 1.10 seconds, commentators credit Haney for a "nice counter" but Haney missed and Loma hit a right cross. I also think some of Haney bodyshots were less than a jab since were hitting at the tail end basically just touching Loma moving backwards. Good on you giving 12th to Loma, Haney hits a couple of lowblow he just made it look good.
I’m glad you posted this! I was wondering if I had been watching the same fight as the announcers, as well as the judges. Haney threw a lot of air punches. Loma won the fight.🥊🥊
@@maasliderthat’s crazy since he’s not the undisputed champion so I guess that means he actually lost lol
Been checking for this upload
Excellent breakdown.
When I watched the fight live, I thought it was a draw. The second time I watched it, Haney barely won. I think the main problem with this fight is that Haney didn't completely dominate the rounds which he won. I don't really understand why Lomachenko gave away the 12th round. Maybe he was completely exhausted or he thought he had won the fight and didn't need the 12th round.
Also believe Haney just barely won, but I think one of the main issues with Haney was that he expended unnecessary amounts of energy in the first couple of rounds, & didn’t properly defend himself in the later rounds, even when he tried to attack he lacked the technique he kept most of the fight
Loma might have stepped off the gas but he didn’t give it away, he out-landed Haney and had better defense and generalship that round. He should have been given the points for it.
@@DcTrimwb6bc Loma said he gave away the 12th
lol Haney did shit, barely landed any clean shots to the head. This was like the Canelo-Lara fight, with one fighter landing all the clean and damaging shots to the head, then Haney fanboys clutching at body shots to make an argument for their guy@@lordsafro
@@user-io6eq9gt6w idk if you’re trying to assume that I’m biased in some way, or if I’m just reading this wrong, but just in case you are, let me state this very plainly: I was not rooting for either party to win over each other, because at the time, I had a very little grasp of their abilities. I literally did not know enough about either of them to take a side in that moment. I just watched to see 2 great fighters fight, and it was indeed a great fight.
Edit: also the focus should not be on just head or body shots, it should be focused on who outboxed who, and after watching the fight unbiased 3 different times, Devin won that. If you feel differently that's cool too.
I agree with most of your rounds, minus one or two going to either Loma or Haney, but my biggest contention is the 11th round. I would probably scored the 11th a 10-8 seeing the dominance Loma had. Haney was exhausted, threw almost no punches, had no blocking, and would try to clinch and hold Loma almost any time Loma got close. I'm surprised the ref didn't step in and warn Haney for the holding and not too mention all the shots to the back of Lomas head.
It wasn't that wide of a margin that's ridiculous and wishful thinking. Fighters hardly ever get 10-8 rounds if it's not from a knockdown. Loma did not knock Haney down and although Haney was in trouble, not once did he look like he was getting knocked out.
@@nerdygiant7805 10-8 rounds can happen from either penalty point reduction, knock downs, or if one fighter effectively dominates their opponent, where the opponent either can't respond, runs away, holds their defense or is constantly clinching. It's rare but not unheard of. Haney ran away, repeatedly clinched, and was getting dismantled by Loma. Effectively, it could have been ruled a 10-8 round.
@@kalwiggy 'Effectively' by who's standards? I know the circumstances in which a 10-8 round would arise, but in the circumstance you're suggesting is the least probable. Haney would've had to have been beaten pillar to post, and even when judges score 10-8 rounds where there's no knockdowns, it's incredibly rare for that scoring to be unanimous. That's how ridiculous your suggestion is (obviously i'm not including circumstances where there's a point deduction).
Also, extremely exaggerate just how dominant Lomachenko was in that round. It was definitely his best, but he had great moments, he did not completely dominate have Haney completely defenseless. Hell, the final minute of that round Haney was even walking Lomachenko down. That's a 10-9 round standard. To give Loma a wider margin is just bias.
Thanks for the honest assessment. I respect the honesty
Finally you did the video. I‘m waiting all these days
Devin won most his rounds marginally,
Loma dominated 2-3 of the 6 or 7 he won.
*especially 10 & 11* hence the *ROBBERY* in *R10* on Moretti's card.
A draw or Loma 115-113 for me #💯❤️🥊
I think the problem with scoring is that it doesn't differentiate between someone winning around by a razor thin margin and somebody winning a round clearly.
In my eyes this fight was not a robbery It was a close fight that swung the wrong way because of holes in the scoring system.
Been waiting on this video …
I scored it 114 - 114 too. This was NOT a robbery, this was just a tough fight to score. Very close and high level boxing. Hats off to both guys for putting it all on the line in the ring.
I also had it 114-114. Most of the rounds were close and it was tough to score. I was pulling for Loma but a Haney victory by that margin didn't seem egregious to me.
💯💯
It was either a win for Loma or it was a draw... So a unanimous decision for Haney makes it a robery 💯😂
@@reptilian_geneticist I completely disagree! This fight was so close I genuinely don't think either man did enough to edge the win. They both had good moments throughout the fight, but it was just that close. I gave 6 rounds to Haney and 6 rounds to Loma. The UD was bogus, they should've made it a draw and activated an immediate rematch claus.
@@Noah-SMCOC if you think it was a dead even draw then a unanimous win for Haney is a robbery!!! You just said the same thing in different words 😂 this just a terminology battle, you just don't like the word robbery or what?... lmao...
It was a really close fight, and I can understand why people think Loma won, but it was not a robbery
People need to realize:
1) All 12 rounds equally matter, not just the last three where Loma did well
2) Close fights aren’t robberies. If Loma fought the entire fight the same way he fought in round 11 and still lost a decision, that’s a robbery. This wasn’t the case. There were tons of close rounds
3) This is another example of why I watch fights without the sound. The crowd and commentators WILL influence your judgement
4) The fact that there is a strong debate about this fight with lots of people saying it was a close fight, giving it a draw, or even giving it to Haney is probably a good sign that it wasn’t a robbery
Agreed
Great comment. I, a Loma fan, am guilty of this personally so that adds good perspective.
Excellent take, probably the best i've seen so far
nothing but facts ! really upsets me that devin doesn’t get to enjoy the victory. yea it wasn’t the best performance considering how close it was but it was a great one nonetheless for the 24yo undisputed champ
So, all the close rounds were for Haney? From 1 to 8? Because the way I see it, it is what judges thought. The last three, and even four, rounds were clearly won by Loma (especially those rounds 11 and 12). I think that Loma, a 35 yo, was the winner of the fight and the judges gave the victory to Haney just because he has an undefeated record. Boxing was very unfair in this fight.
I was waiting for this
Hey love your videos, can you make an updated video of who u think is the top lightweights
Loma won
Not at all! If you thought Loma won, that’s totally fair, it was super close. I had it 6-6 but could have see it going either way. I’m really not sure why this has become a huge controversy. I suppose because devin’s rounds weren’t as flashy or attention grabbing as lomas 10 and 11 but it shouldn’t matter as the fight is scored round by round. The 116-112 is def a bad call but even if moretti scored it 155-113, people woulda still been outraged. There was def bias too as loma was the big fan favorite, the shove didn’t do him any good lol.
Agreed I scored it draw after watching it three times but it definitely could’ve gone either way
Based off points, this fight was not close at all
because all close rounds were given to haney while loma was left with 4 or 5 clear rounds, 3 of them being really clear for loma...
At the end of the day, it should have been called a draw. “Unanimous decision” on this close of a fight is a joke.
@@ItzSinatraa no it’s not, it being a unanimous decision doesn’t mean the judges think haney sweeped loma or something lmao. it just means they all happened to agree, not to mention it was 115-113 for two of em, so just by one round. yea a draw would be ideal but 🤷♂️ that’s how boxings been forever, wanna ensure a win? either don’t leave it to the judges or have a strong dominant performance
Great breakdown
thank you for this great breakdown
This fight definitely needs to be run back I think one of them needed to score a knockdown near the end to get the win convincingly
Honestly, I have to agree with this scoring. I MIGHT have swung Round 9 to Loma but your breakdown makes total sense to me
i have round 9 to loma too , my score card was is 7-5 or 8-4 to loma
@@Juan-pq1eh I think 7 to 5 Loma or 6 to 6 draw is the most fair score. Either way, this fight wasn't scored properly by the judges
@@BlaizeDew i agree , it at least could’ve been a draw …
@@Juan-pq1eh 8-4 is bull dude. Which 8 rounds did you see loma win ? 1-6 was at least 4 rounds devin. 7 was close, 9 was close and 12 was devin. With all swing rounds and lomas rounds all given to loma of course it could be 8-4 but that’s just bias lol. You cant tell me loma won all the swing rounds.
@@bigboyfinesse8310 i got loma winning round 1 and rounds 7-12
Thank you!!! You have to do this more often with past videos of other fights that have been a robbery.
I completely agreed that it should have been ruled a draw!!
TJ just got a job with the NSAC as a judge 😂😂
Kidding bro. Great analysis
Great breakdown even tho I had loma winning 8-4. Initially I screamed robbery but after rewatching and understanding the subjectivity with Scoring a fight i can see how some would hav haney winning but I think that is extremely generous and should have been a draw due to being so difficult to score. Would love to see a rematch to see how the fighters adapt to what they now know of each other.
Draw at Best
Theres literally a landed punch count video out and loma controlled most of the ring the entire fight. Loma walked down the bigger man and imposed his game plan on haney. Haney lost 8-4
Loma true undisputed lw champ.
He’s not though or else he would be
Great video!! TheWeastle would be proud
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After watching through it for about 6h in 0.25 speed & replay of certain things to get everything right & judging it off the judging criteria, It really isn’t close if we look at the judging criteria. Significant punches is the primary factor when scoring a fight & makes defence, ring generalship & effective aggression be scored if significant punches are landed or negated.
Rd 1:
Sig. punches landed:
6-2 Loma
10-9 Loma (10-9 Loma)
Rd 2:
Sig. punches landed:
10-6 Loma
10-9 Loma (20-18 Loma)
Rd 3:
Sig. punches landed:
10-10
10-9 Haney (29-28 Loma)
(Can’t find footage from 1:54-1:46 in rd3)
Rd 4:
Sig. punches landed:
10-10
10-9 Haney (38-38)
Rd 5:
Sig. punches landed:
15-13 Loma
10-9 Loma (48-47 Loma)
Rd 6:
Sig. punches landed:
12-8 Loma
10-9 Loma (58-56 Loma)
Rd 7:
Sig. punches landed:
11-8 Loma
10-9 Loma (68-65 Loma)
Rd 8:
Sig. punches landed:
9-9
10-9 Haney (77-75 Loma)
Rd 9:
Sig. punches landed:
12-12
10-9 Haney (86-85 Loma)
Rd 10:
Sig. punches landed:
9-6 Loma
10-9 Loma (96-94 Loma)
Rd 11:
Sig. punches landed:
19-3 Loma
10-9 Loma (106-103 Loma)
Rd 12:
Sig. punches landed:
7-16 Haney
10-9 Loma (115-113 Loma)
Final Score:
115-113 Loma (7-5 Loma).
There’s a difference between a close fight in it being close in rounds & each round being close. There’s a potential nearly every round Haney won that Loma could’ve won like 3, 4, 8 & 9
Though in the later rounds (9-12),I did speed it up & onto slowed it down for Lomas punches & ever punch Haney landed that looked hard & clean, I just counted. Atoras boxing also has punches landed but it was taken down & it wasn’t even close.
Hey Tj can you Please make videos about Shakur Vs devin Haney , Shakur Vs Gervonta Davis , And the upcoming fight between Errol Spence Jr. Vs Terrence Crawford and what that would be like?
Shakur and Haney is fairly even Haney might be a little better but he has shown difficulty against southpaw so I would give shakur that fight shakur was Davis shakur would win and Crawford will probably beat spence
@@hackedboss9106 Shakur definitely is good but he lacks power , Shakur vs Haney would be a chess match , Devin can’t handle taking damage on the inside so if Shakur can get on the inside he might get the win , gervonta I feel like once he figures out shakur’s strategy it’s over for Shakur
@@officialsen-sae9780 I think shakur beats Davis because of is defense he’ll win more rds than Davis and has the defense to beat tank, also shakur won’t get overconfident like some other boxers do while facing tank
This was actually very dominant from Lomachnko
thank you for this video TJ
Saying Loma won the 12th when he himself said he lost it is baffling. Overall a good breakdown from someone who it sounds like wanted Loma to win or at least isn’t a fan of Devin. The 116-112 scored wouldn’t be crazy if he had given Devin a different round instead of the 10th. The 10th and 11th were the clearest Loma rounds
I think it was legit than Haney got the decision even tho I would have given it to Loma👍
But when I saw the scorecards I really knew that something fishy was really going here🤨
I rewatched the fight again I still had it for Lomachenko. bro idk what fight you saw at first I had it 8-4 for Lomachenko after watching it again I had it 7-5 for Lomachenko.
116-112 ok would you stop the Bs already! Loma was not that dominant, and news flash he’s not that good… it has nothing to do with race, it’s fact. Hopefully you cried with him, sometimes these things can be hard to accept alone😢
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@@3800ThaBizz who brought race Into this
@@flexgado249 you’d be surprised flex. There’s all kinds rejects sayin devin won because of this, because of that. They also make it like a Tyson fury v. Wilder kinda vibe.. it’s horrible, some people not you though…
@@3800ThaBizz all the judges were white Americans
I was expecting for Loma to come out top in this fight but as I've watched many videos trying to find an answer. It seems generally all are indecisive. Draw would be a correct result here.
Can we have Mayweather and Pacquiao analysis also?
Best analysis of this fight on youtube. I think it was a genuinely close fight. I think Haney won with that 12th round.
You guys just don't understand, Haney is very good at ring generalship, he lure Loma to go where exactly where he want it and land a devasting punches and in the process getting outlanded with accurate punch that snapped back Haney's head multiple time, and even rocked him not once, you don't need slowmo just a frame that I pick is enough, what? Maybe it was Loma game plan to follow Haney so he can land more accurate punches? Nah
Haney didn't land a single devestating shot on Loma lmfao
Looking back, my big issue with this fight was that it was scored Unanimous Decision! That's absolutely insane. At best this should have been a draw, at worst a split for either guy because the fight was super close.
Why do people care if it’s a unanimous decision? Two judges gave the fight to Haney by one round. That shows it was a close fight
@@tactmatic The issue is that promoters control almost every aspect of a boxing match, including WHO the judges are. It's very easy to to do and happens more than people think. Bob Arum is Haney's promoter and owns Top Rank, who made this event. A boxing judge relies on staying in the good graces of the promoters to have a job. Hence, people think the fix may have been in.
Exactly, to say Haney clearly won the fight is ridiculous.
Haney clearly won the fight. Lol
im happy the goat finally made a breakdown
@@heyyyScotty i dont think we looking at the same comment section bud. also calling others casuals doesnt make you an elite fan tf. like lets keep it a buck, you call guys casuals, what you call yourself. the opposite of casual is formal so you a 'formal' fan like bruh that sound goofy
I feel like judges in boxing to be specific should have post fight interviews
In my scorecard there were a lot of close rounds but I leaned towards Haney. I wonder if the majority of fans were more of a Loma fan and leaned those closer rounds to Loma
Do a punch count for both to give yourself a definitive answer. It's not that hard to determine who won a Rd it's our favoritism that gets in the way.
People are using “close fight” to describe the fight. However a better description is competitive fight. A competitive fight that Loma clearly won. 😬
the only way a “competitive” fight could be “clearly” won by someone is by way of knockout. It was a close fight and I think if loma had let his hands go a bit more we could justify a robbery.
Yeah the fight just appeared somewhat even because Loma LET Haney win rounds that he didn't think he needed... That's why anyone with an eye for boxing (like all the analysts, commentators and fellow boxers watching the fight) all say that Loma won or deserved the draw at the very least...
@@reptilian_geneticist how about you make an actual case that Loma won rather than just say "EvErYoNe ElSe SaId He WoN sO hE wOn"
@@cristiancastor4531 he controlled the entire fight, better ring generalship, outlanded punches and EVERYONE ELSE SAID HE WON SO HE WON 😂👌
@@reptilian_geneticist Loma didn't control the fight he only controlled part of it. More specifically the latter rounds, but watch how many times Devin resets Loma. Every reset is an exchange, and because Loma let Haney reset him he was down 2:1 in terms of exchanges for every round Haney won, and for the ones he didn't win it was a 1:1 or 1:1.25 exchange won rate. That also encompasses ring generalship, effective aggression, and defense
YOU KNOW WHAT YOU TALKING ABOUT. I disagree wit the 12th but I agree wit everything else and that’s fine cause it’s a CLOSE fight. U dropping knowledge!!!
Great video! I had this fight at 115 to 114 for Loma. Loma should have turned it up sooner and overwhelm Haney. I am still hopeful for a rematch but should Haney fight Stevenson, I don't think it will be as competitive. Stevenson is a level above Haney and if their fight goes the distance, it will end in a 116-112 or 117-111 in favor of Stevenson. Honestly, the next big bout should have been Loma vs Stevenson and that would have been one hell of a fight, an even crazier chess game. If Haney fights Davis, Haney will get K.O'd/TKO'D between round 6 to 8. I am eager to find out what your opinion is on the Crawford vs Spence! That one I see it going to all the way with a 115-113 for Crawford.
Haney might rematch Loma and then move up.. or just move up. I don't see him even trying against Shakur or Gevonta 😂
@@smokyx What a pickle for Haney indeed! If he fights Davis or Stevenson, it will be very difficult for him to win derisively. Should he move up in weight, it may be considered ducking. 🤔 What will he do?
Loma said he doesn't want a rematch. Is this your king? Lol
@@rafiqwashington9126 I'm no fanboy, as you look from this comment.. got no king, just love for the sport
@@smokyx Yes you are I can see how your discrediting one man a hoping some other fighters beat him because your king lost. Thats not a fan of boxing thats hating on another fighter. Do you feel the same way when they gave your king a 117-111 score over ortiz? That's way worse than 116-112 . After that bad score for Loma did you want Haney to beat him and say if Loma moved back down to 135 that would be a duck??? See you fan boys are You in love with a fighter and hate another but your a fan of boxing?? Ok got it
I have a exam tomorrow but gotta need to know was Lomachenko vs Devin Haney a Robbery (I didn't even watch the fight).
No
lmao true. good luck on the exam
Good luck, bro. In my opinion, I think Loma took too long to unleash his true style. It could be that the body shots affected him in the earlier rounds, which is why he was a bit more defensive. It was a close fight. I would still give it to Haney, but the scorecard did Loma bad for sure
good luck on your exam bro best wishes 💯🤜🏾
Thanks for the goodlucks but I'm gonna fail lmaoo.
This makes sense really good video
I think this video described it perfectly. Either a draw or given to Loma. That’s because the close rounds were all given to Haney despite the fact that Loma could have easily gotten these. Also, you mention cleaner punches as a criteria and the most important one but do not mention that Loma landed cleaner punches in the rounds you give to Haney for “ring dominance” whatever that is meant to signify.
Either draw or loma😂 as if loma was boxing himself. Or what you saw is law 😂. As easy as you can say so boldly either loma or draw, one could argue devin or draw… you people are funny, that’s for sure 😂… accept it, move on, it’s not that bad, and he’s not that good..😂😢
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level headed video, this is why i follow, i had pretty much the same score card but round 8+9 swapped and i gave haney the 12th so 7-5 haney
Haney always gets stunned ,but doesn't go down. When you get hurt and don't hurt the other guy people with think u lost when it's close
Lomachenko landed the cleaner shots from rounds 1-12. Haney probably legitimately won 4 rounds but every close round goes to Lomachenko because his shots were cleaner in every close round. Many of Haney’s “scored” punches were truly glancing blows or body shots that merely “touched” Lomachenko with no damage as he backed out of range.
That’s crazy and all but that’s not how fights are scored.
I know how fights are scored. Scoring how fights are scored Haney only won 3 rounds that he clearly won. 4,6,9. Lomachenko won probably 6 rounds clearly. In every swing round Lomachenko landed the cleaner shots by far. The body shots by Haney were almost always offset by clear crisp combinations landed to the head by Lomachenko. Haney did not bank rounds early either. Lomachenko easily won rounds 2,3,5. Round 1 was a true toss up. Lomachenko was never hurt. Haney was hurt and in danger in rounds 10, & 11. Despite the desperate trope that Haney won round 12 Lomachenko won round 12 even though a battered Haney made it interesting Lomachenko threw more and landed more following up the damage he did in 10 & 11. Haney looked exhausted, bloodied, and confused.
He was probably praying for a draw the second before the ref raised his hand in fraudulent victory.
@@bigboris5774 should be tho
This was the best breakdown I’ve seen so far. Somebody with no bias breaking it down round by round and telling us why he was scoring it the way he was. People calling it a robbery don’t know what the term “robbery” means in boxing or they are just Loma super fans . I had it 7-5 Haney but it could’ve went either way. Such a great fight, I wish Haney wasn’t outgrowing the division because a rematch would be 🔥
I feel like Loma has been fighting at the level of his opponents for the last few fights. Whether that’s a mental hang up or just the damage adding up, I don’t know.
can you do a video on who would win between ryan garcia vs rolly romaro
i honestly felt if it was a win in haney’s or lomas favor it shouldn’t be a unanimous decision rather it be split or a draw. i enjoyed the fight over all, a very technical fight but i thought it wasn’t a unanimous decision rather a split one.
Why does it matter if it is split or not lol
@@chim8939 Because there is no bias
@@aureum7479 How u ?? do yall just talk to talk or do u actually think of what you're saying ?? if anything unanimous decision could be cleaner and less biased
I don't think you understand how the scoring/judging works
@@chim8939 i already felt the fight was an extremely close fight, and i think if it was unanimous even in Lomachenkos favor the judging would be also called out as terrible. I felt and scoring the fight would either like in this vid result in a draw or the winner having won by 1-2 points but not a unanimous in favor of haney or loma. this does confirm to me however that i think Haney needs to shift weight classes because loma gave him issues and this wasn’t even a prime lomachenko. especially if he fights a fighter in lightweight with actual knockout power like a davis it could be very bad for him. i do feel however that rank or shakur see this fight and now feel more inclined to challenge for the belts.
I had Loma winning 115-113.
Either way, it's over and Haney kept his titles. As a hardcore Loma fan, I'd love to see Haney fight Tank, lose the fight and see Tank become undisputed, then watch Loma fight Tank and defeat him (preferably by TKO/KO) to become undisputed.
Your dreaming. Loma will never be undisputed
Loma won't defeat tank
Don't see Tank getting stopped at best losing on points
@@dlalwon1 I think he will ko David Haney landed hard cleaner shots tank has more power so he will ko
I'd like to see that too, but if Haney could land to the body like that, Tank would probably stop Loma with a body shot.
The truth is no matter how much you cry about it, it won change the fact devin Hayney won. So what I say is just carry on with your life
im glad you made this video bc i scored it a draw too lol
Floyd Mayweather gave rematch immediately after his controversial fights
Where can I find Mayweather vs Pacman 2 then?
i think you're overlooking the fact that those "hard hooks to the body" where pretty much just pillow touches for points, they literally had 0 effect every single time on Loma.
Loma had to jump back 5’ every time.
This is not street fighter.
Jumping takes a lot of energy.
HANEY MADE HIM JUMP BACK.
You are a casual.
Prolly never been in a boxing ring.
Please mate tell me the song you use in the backround
Loma wiped him out in the championship rounds... I can see how it could be seen as a draw. I don't see how it could be a Haney win.
Because Haney won 6 of the first 8 and the 12th round.
Open your eyes and try not to be a Hater when you rewatch it Casual.
No two judges gave the same rounds to the same fighters. This fight was extremely close and difficult to judge. I had it 7-5 for Loma on fight night but after watching again and seeing other people break down the fight, I can see it both ways.
I think this proves that Bradley Martyn with three months of sparring would for sure have the upper hand in a street fight against Devin Haney
BRUH WHAT 😂😂😂😂 just s three he still wouldn’t even have a grasp on how to box
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You Bradley Martin wouldn't need to punch him. As soon as her gets a hold of him, Haney's done.
Nope, dude is built for bodybuilding not fight. Dude can’t take a punch from Haney bare fist, he wouldn’t even get close to Haney. Handy would react fast before he even touches Haney. Hop off his🍆
@@PotatoSlices he won’t though😂 Haney has fast reaction and by the time he gets close haneys bare fist will most likely do damage to his skull. He’s too slow
@@Blatgotyahatty almost every time a boxer gets in the octagon, they realize their boxing isn't shit in a real fight. This would be no different.
It’s obviously not a unanimous decision.
There needs to be an update to scoring. A fighter who edges a round should get a 10-9 and a fighter who dominants a round (without KO) should get a 10-8 to differentiate rounds more
This is why boxing and other promotions gotta do the ONE scoring criteria. A fight should be judged as a whole and by the end, not round by round. This is why ppl feel Loma shouldve won, because he technically was winning a fight, Devin was MAYBE winning the competition of the sport, but anyone with eyes can see that the one closer to the finish was Loma, which defaults him to winning a FIGHT. This is kinda like Aljo vs henry, where aljo used the rules to “win” even tho the optics suggested he was losing.
thats dumb you shouldnt devalue the start of the fight
This is one of the dumbest things I've heard. Losing early rounds and winning a few late by a wide margin doesn't mean you won the fight. Fights are scored correctly. Round by round, not this bs.
@@emptythoughts7456 its not how u start its how u end.
I have analyzed 4 rounds in slow mo, actually taking time to see where and how every punch lands. So far: Haney wins 1, but its close. 2 and 3 complete blowout by Loma, lands much more, initiates much more, lands stronger. 4th, about same amount of lands, but half of Loma's shots are powerful, whether its head-snapping jab, or left straight and Haney land literally zero heavy punches, just common jabs and barely-touching punches, and Loma pushes pace a little bit more.
The judges aren’t watching the right in slow mo so it doesn’t really matter.
@@bigboris5774 yeah, they are watching it live in infinitely good resolution, a meter from the ring, so they have far better chance to see every single punch and don't have to rewatch it in slow mo...Of course assuming they are good at their job...
Pretty much agree, Loma needed the 12th for a win!
thank you finally sum1 who knows how boxing works. instead of a casual saying robbery 💀😭
I had it 8-4 Haney. In fact the 116-112 scorecard was the most accurate scorecard.
Can't believe that one judge gave Haney round 10. That was the only really bad call with the judges. I also think 12 was pretty clear to be Lomas bit it was close. I think i had a draw on my scorecards. Not even close to a robbery.
i have 2 questions that i hold can be answered(i’m someday new to boxing)
1. if it was a tie does that mean haney would still be undisputed?
2. what happenes when a boxer doesnt make weight at a weigh in do they just get fined?
Yeah if it was a draw Haney would keep the belts and titles, you only lose them if you lose a fight, retire or have a long layoff.
If they don’t make weight they may have to surrender the title with only the opponent able to win the title along with a fine or the fight can be cancelled or they can make it catch weight with no title. Depends really.
Bro, how do you score that 2nd round for Haney when Loma landed 12 punches and 9 of them were power punches? Even the corrupt judges gave Loma rounds 2 and 3 yet they didn't give him rounds 10 and 12 even tho Loma landed more total punches and power punches in each of those rounds.
I had it a draw too, but at best either one of them could have pulled a split decision. The UD was wild to me and the 116-112 was crazy. The whole time Loma was gettin those left straights in i was thinking that Tank was watching that and knew that he could knock him out easy.
I was at the fight live. Majority of unbiased fans I was around felt that Loma took the fight with the last 4 rounds. I thought it was a draw until the last 4 rounds which Loma won all 4. I woulda of called it a draw or Loma win but the rematch should already be in the works.
loma admitted he took the 12th .off, so no, I am not in agreement
Haney won the 12th you are just looking for attention from other races lol
I think “fix” is a more apt term to describe bad decisions in boxing.
W video. Ur video explains why ppl say it was a robbery, because we wouldve been happy with a draw and maybe even a slight Loma edge, but NOT a devin win. This means that 2/3 decisions wouldve been fair to most ppl, yet judges went with the 1/3 option and gifted haney a win.
Loma landed more punches, landed more power shots, landed more combinations.
Loma wobbled him even. I get that we have to score "by rounds" but the unanimous decision here is indefensible imo. You gave p much every "very close" round to Haney and it came out a draw on your cards.
Scoring this a UD for Haney is ridiculous.
You land more punches in one round, it is still 10-9 rounds unless you get knocked down most of the time.
I think the Robbery comments come from the fact that it was scored so decisively for Haney, expecially with Dave Moretti's 116-112 scoring.
The fact of the matter is that thebfight was super close and if you go and look at the judges scorecards they make very little sense - some of the easiest rounds to score they would somehow get wrong (especially Moretti).
It's easy to say Robbery because since it was so close of a fight, the judges might be biased to give those razor thin rounds to the favored, undefeated, young fighter.
Regardless, this fight should have been a draw, and that is what sort of makes it a robbery.
2 of the cards gave it 7-5 for Haney. That’s not decisive. It’s as close as it could be and not be a draw
@brooklyn560 It's the fact that 3 judges gave it to Haney, one of them being 8 to 4 and 2 of them being 7 to 5 in a fight that should have been a draw or even potentially swung the other way. Some of the rounds best for Lomachenko were even given to Haney. Even if on paper It's close when you look at the broader picture, they were inclined to just give it to Haney regardless. I'm not saying 7 to 5 isn't close, I'm saying the broad picture is where it seems just wrong
the problem with the body shots is they were not causing any damage. if you land one at a time and it doesnt affect the aggression of the opponent, then theyre not an issue when compared to Loma throwing and landing effective combos 3-4 at a time. So these body shots that never hurt Loma really had no affect and were single shots. Loma hurt Devin, Devin never hurt Loma
I mean some casuals don’t understand this but it’s not only just damage they score they also score defense, ring general ship, and aggression which makes this way tougher to score so it might not be as much of a robbery