Why'd you delete my comment? You are a pushover and not a liable boxing info source if you can't handle disagreements. Francis is 60lbs heavier, just as fast and has better technique. End of story.
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The wildest thing that people don't talk about is how good Francis' chin is. He has copped shin bones to the head from multiple huge heavyweights, and still walked forward. He also did a great job going the distance with Ciryl Gane and Stipe Miocic, even after all the damage he sustained. I personally think they're relative, but I'd lean towards the person who has an entire career only focused on punching. However, that KO of Jairzinho Rozenstruik was scary. He did it with the end of a weak shot that he was not even stepping into.
Exactly, Francis has not once dropped or been ko’ed it is insane considering who he has faced. Honestly if they were to have a boxing match I may lean towards Francis due to his chin tbh. Since wilder has been shown capable of being hurt and ko’ed. but it can go either way.
Oh, people do recognize Francis' chin since the first Stipe fight. It could be the strongest chin in the game. Honestly, the only time I can recall Francis being rocked at all was by stipe in the rematch, before the ko.
Wilder hits harder and has better technique, francis is throwing wild swings with absolutely everything Wilder knocked out his last opponent with a jab
Bro just said Wilder had better technique 💀. Wilder is probably the most unorthodox HW in the last 20 years💀. Wilder swings like a maniac what are you talking about bro
Honestly, I'd say Wilder's knockout of Helenius should prove he's the harder puncher. He was off balance, on the back foot, being pressured, and landed at an awkward angle, but he still laid Helenius out cold. I mean like laying on the canvas taking a nap out cold. Super impressive display.
Guys get knock outs with jabs all the time. Anderson Silva used to do it as well. Knockouts like that have nothing to do with power. It's about timing, placement, and the other guy not seeing it coming. And even if you did want to use it as a metric of power. That ko wasn't much different than when Ngannou knocked out Stipe with a short check hook.
@@alanmadrigal21 show me one. Also he never lifted a 255 lbs man off his feet with a left uppercut. Him and Mike Tyson have never put anyone out like that. In all their kos the victim is still moving a bit. Even with helenius, there was sign of life. When overeem got hit he looked like someone put a bullet in his head. U ever seen a dear get shot? They stiff up.
@@jk90z buddy it doesn't matter if you consider it a knockout or not. Nobody cares what you think, in boxing rules it is considered a knockout whether you like it or not
They both hit incredibly hard. Wilder is doing something we haven’t see on the sport by knocking out and dropping everyone he has fought. Not to mention being outweighed as much as 40 lbs or more. I have a respect for both fighters, but for me Wilder has undeniably the most lethal punch in combat sports.
@Disgruntled Simp Mod because ngannu weighs so much more. He is able to throw around more weight in more devastating ways from every angle. But wilder throws his right hand so much faster even with the added wind and weight resistance that comes from the larger gloves. That's why deyontay hits harder. He also has much better accuracy than Francis.
@Disgruntled Simp Mod Wilder did KO Ortiz with a filthy short uppercut who made Big George proud. I believe both have nuclear power in both hands but Wilder has better timing, and he's reckless as hell too !
They need to start measuring every new fighters punching power accurately and do like an NFL combine type of thing to keep track of everyones punches and to compare everything historically
Funny thing about Wilder is that he hits harder when he is lighter. Its like his power comes from speed. I rewatched his second fight vs Fury and i realized that he caught Fury flush with two right hands in the second round that normally drops his opponents, but did no harm to Fury.
Wilder has long reminded me of a Heavyweight Tommy Hearns. Not skill or style wise but in regards to his long, wirey frame that he’s able to pack so much power into. He has long arms and catches people at the ends of his punches and puts their lights out. His right hand is a nuclear missile
Hearns was such a warrior, so much of that spirit and heart, he chose not to keep Hagler at the end of his jab and instead traded like brawlers, giving us probably the most action-packed fight of all time. He could box like a machine, I love that guy.
Yes another correct assessment. I have also considered him like a heavyweight Tommy Hearns. Both had true shattering one punch KOs. Hearns KOs of Cuevas and Duran show this.
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You Ngannou is 300+ pounds with full ability to break just about anyone. Yeah it's safe to say he's not losing to Jon steroids Jones
@@wafflebotus most people say That jon gonna win lol while he got caught by cormier multiple times in their fights by reyes smith Gustafson etc… but what gonna happen when ngannou who have more reach than them gonna touch jones ? A simple one jab rocked miocic and the second when ngannou was off balance slept him
If you study Deontay Wilder you will see that he truly is a one hit knock out artist. When he knocks them out it's on purpose and you can see in the way he executes the punch and immediately begins to celebrate or walk away without throwing extra punches or waiting to see the person fall down
Accuracy and timing are extremely important factors as well. If you can catch your opponent coming in as opposed to moving away or turning away, that makes a big difference. If you can catch them on the chin that's a lot better than the forehead, etc..
Ngannou just touched Fury's head and the champion went down, then did you see his face? If Wilder (much lighter) takes a punch from Ngannou, he'll go to sleep immediately.
Exactly what I was thinking. Ngannou has vicious power in every kind of punch. Where as wilder has insane power with his straight but his left hook has never really impressed me. Edit: also big fan my man keep up the good work
One of the major things mentioned is how much the two of them are able to transfer their weight, as their feet are rooted to the ground and only their arms punch. Other than that, I think you covered most of the major points. great vid :D
@@5ubjugator My friend, I'm sorry but I really cba to create a force diagram for you to show how most of the weight (force) component will go through the feet. Due to things like torque, moments and angled linear force: you are able to convert a lot of this weight into horizontal force. But that doesnt mean that two people will transfer the same amount of force horizontally (technique, body type etc). Sorry to use words to explain something that needs a diagram. I may have tripped over my words once or twice so dont nitpick what I said above.
@@5ubjugator ahah sorry lad. Dunno if it was obvious from my last paragraph but I wrote that in about 1 min and didnt proof read. Was basically sayign u need a diagram to understand fully but I domnt have time to find one
One thing worth noting is Francis doesn't weigh 263lbs in the cage. That's his weight on the scale the day before after a weight cut. In the cage weight (actual weight when he's sending ppl to the shadow realm) is higher.
Boxers also talk about the hardness of the knuckles. Naoya Inoue is said to have knuckle hardness akin to having batteries in a sock. Joe Joyce is perhaps one of the slowest punchers in heavyweight yet a ko artist still.
Joyce uses momentum/inertia to pummel his opponents. It's the effort that he puts in after the punch has already landed. The force would be nearly the same if he fired his punches more quickly from the same distance. But it would be more exhausting. If you could say guys like wilder have a bazooka on their shoulders. Guys like Joyce and ngannu are swinging sledgehammers.
What’s a huge problem with using just mass and acceleration is that a punch is a very complicated body movement. A poor flicky jab may be much faster than a cross, however, a cross has more of the body’s mass and muscle movement which results in more force.
This right here is facts, and Def invalidates the formula for this specific application. There are so much more variables not being accounted for. And ur right, if the jab was being calculated, according to the calculator it would be the most powerful punch😂
Exactly. He even says it’s a matter of power (part of the correct answer) before he goes into the wrong approach of force. The power, not force, along with the delivery profile, determines how the packet of energy was delivered.
Precision and snap can also add to knock outs. Greater force doesn’t mean ko. A huge amount of power, but a real slow punch might not knock you out where as a little less force and a lot more speed snapping your head back could easily knock you out. I think a great example of this is that Errol Spence Junior has more thudding power that breaks bones whereas Terence Crawford has more snapping power that knocks people out. I think Deontay Wilder has more snap, and Frances Ngannou has more thudding power
I agree thudding is way worse tho to fight and honeslty would choose to get hit by wilder cuz it’ll quick and sharp but ngannou seems like his power could break my entire jaw in half
Yeah, I don't know why people here seem to think a ko is a metric of punching power. Several people have mentioned Wilders jab ko in his last fight and concluded that he must have jabbed with incredible force to get a knock out.
@@finaothak5140 They'd both break your jaw except Wilder's punch has a significantly higher chance of causing your brain to hemorrhage and bleed, which would kill you very painfully.
you should be measuring momentum to determine who hits harder. It doesn't matter if your punch is accellerating when it makes contact, it matters how much velocity it has. The momentum is converted to force as its momentum changes over time (decelerates) when hitting the target and this is the force that actually matters
I love this style video! my only challenge would be 6:03 wilder isn't cutting weight, right? I would assume he's comfortably gaining mass for that fight. francis himself says he walks around just about 300 pounds. I would image human punch force calculator would yield closer to 11,000N impact force for his natural weight. I'd also argue when you have more striking options such as your 8 limbs vs simply your punches like boxing, damage & devastation is greater when inflicted on an opponent who is less likely to be able to predict what's coming.
i would like to clarify something, someone who is lighter can utilize more mass in their punch, that is the difference between a snapping arm punch vs sitting on a punch. When you sit on a punch you incorporate your mass from your feet through your hips to your shoulder and ultimately your fist. an arm punch on the other hand primarily gets it's "mass" from the arm
also, there is no way that the entirety of someone's mass can be delivered in a punch. That 10795 newtons that was calculated would be if deontay's whole body was rocketed to his opponent with the fist surface area. I could go on and on but yeah, it's a great deal more complicated, that being said, I would concur that wilder hits harder
@@its_hokori there's also the precision factor! Just like Mike Tyson, Wilder's punches are devastating because they are always extremely clean. His overhand right is literally perfect.
Great video as always. You should consider doing a video just introducing yourself, how you got into boxing, etc. especially now that you’ve developed quite a following. Love your content!
another thing i'd like to add is that in MMA, with those slim gloves, i think MMA fighters might not be punching with absolutely 100% of his power, whereas, wilder with thick gloves would porbably be using closer to his 100% power in real fights.
wilder's crazy power basically makes him an anime character lmao,in his last fight,he managed to knock out helenius while being somewhat off balance and hitting him from a kind of "sloppy" angle,he's the type of guy who could be outboxed by a mediocre fighter since his technique is average or even bellow average,but could also win against the top guys from any era since he has a crazy big "puncer's chance"
I definitely think Wilder hits harder, mainly for the reasons you said at the end, Ngannou has more tools in his belt and more things to practice where as Wilder only focuses on punching. His knockouts speak for themselves. No disrespect to Ngannou, I believe he hits incredibly hard and if weither one of them punched me in the head, bare knuckled as hard as they could, I would probably die.
I think the most important thing here is size. Ngannou is a good 30-40 pounds heavier than wilder. That’s multiple weight classes if they weren’t HW’s. So it’s close but Wilder definitely hits harder. But pound for pound if they were the same weight; it’s not even close. Wilder by a light year. That’s what impresses me most. Despite being smaller and using gloves that weigh 150% more, he still more than likely hits harder. I could only imagine if wilder bulked up and went to mma…
@@cristianlambert645 wtf are you talking about? I didn’t actually mean transition into mma lol, he makes more per fight than UFC fighters make in their entire career. I meant I can’t imagine the damage he’d do with such small gloves against guys who don’t have near as good defense as boxers do
@@aravmanoorayil7234 I didn’t say “if only he went to mma” jackass, I said “I could only imagine”. Which was directly after I mentioned that mma has smaller gloves. Doesn’t take a genius to connect those dots dude.
It’s not just about perfecting punching technique, it’s the muscles and tendons required to perform the technique. If Ngannou was in the gym for months exploding with punches, he’d be faster and more powerful than he is now. Grappling makes muscles suited for endurance and takes away from punch speed or optimal arm weight distribution.
Really interesting video, honestly I don’t understand how people agree on using the powerkube as a unit of measurement for force, it doesn’t seem reliable at all. We should really just use PSI for this
There also another variable that wasn't mentioned and calculated: imagine being hit by a steel beam hangin from the ceiling. Even if it weigts not more than 100 kg, if it slowly waves towards your forehead, you'd knock out flat. Because it's density. George Foreman could hit slowly, but deadly at the end of his career, because his arms were that strong at the moment of the impact.
Ive never seen power like wilder he touches you, you're going its insane how he just can barely glance you and sleep you imagine if he hadd the technique and work ethic to match would be undefeated
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I'm a boxing casual but watch the vast majority of UFC events, prelims of Fight Nights etc. It's pretty clear to me that Wilder hits harder. I don't know why everyone gets so caught up with the PowerKube score. Recording Ngannou's punching power on that machine was literally done to just hype up Ngannou's first fight with Miocic.
@@rileyjothecorso9732 the only reason he still got that record is because top tier boxers haven't even tried to measure thier strength using the same machine
@@juanmigueldelacruz1234 and you don't think there's been any of those boxers that have tried breaking that record 🤔 and i don't know that they have just like you don't know if they have either. Seeing he still holds that record then I would like to believe that there's been people who are still trying to break his record but who knows.
@@rileyjothecorso9732they definitely haven't tried if any of them did then there should be video's circulating around the internet of them trying but there's none especially if the boxer is one of the top tier heavyweights
There’s one other thing about that equation, you brought up technique in regards to acceleration but there’s also how efficiently the force of the body is transferred to the target, a properly lined up punch will eliminate any sort of “give” from the shoulder or the arm, Wilder has this in his left hook (sometimes) and his straight right (every time). Eddies punches were barely punches.
This world works in weird ways, i was literally thinking earlier who would hit harder out of these 2 and i thought surely theres no way wilder hits harder than ngannou
Wilder is lighter and has a wide motion that adds speed to his punch. Ngannou is a slab of marble and doesn't need to put much momentum into his punch. For me, Ngannou hits harder.
Ngannou's punch is more powerful than Wilder's. Besides being an elite puncher, the Cameroonian is also a proverbial absorber with a jaw of steel (did you see how he took Fury's elbow?)
Like you said, it's two different sports with two different gloves though(less padding in MMA gloves so you could hurt yourself, but imo Wilder because he's been Boxing longer. Also, hard to measure, because Wilder knocking out more people doesn't equate to who actually hits harder.
2:18 Just a quick thought: I think it might have been better to use momentum (mass x velocity) instead of Force (mass x acceleration) because I think the final velocity just before the fist comes into contact with the face would matter more. But again, if we assume that the initial velocity of the punch is 0m/s, the results should be the same...? I might be wrong since I'm terrible at Physics lol 😢
Hell no that was a perfect shot accuracy wise and it didnt have fury stumbling like wilder did or send ripples down furys body not to mention not putting him down as hard as theyre first fight
What an interesting vid! I subscribed to your channel after this. Anyway I would put into evidence also the amazing ability that wilder has to put his weight in his punches, it requires coordination and flexibility and his lean body is surely a huge help in that. He is totally different from a guy like mike tyson who, imho, had a worse cardio than wilder but was perfectly able to release long combos, while wilder wears out after throwing one of his bombs and he needs an important amount of time to recover. He is such a unique case in boxing and in fighting in general
For the weight, youshould only use the punches that they threw in that certain specific highest weight. Because they might not accelerate as much in their highest weight compared to the random weights they had that you used to base their hardest punches on
In my opinion, wilder puches harder simply because his base (meaning his literal stance) is for boxing and sitting down on your punches. He doesn’t have to worry about takedowns. If Francis focused on boxing solely, maybe he has the bigger punch, but it’s horses for courses and we can’t be sure. Both absolute tanks
I think wilder needs more space to get his power, like he really lunges into most of his shots with all his body weight behind them. ngannou usually just wings arm punches and knocks guys out, even when he doesnt get as much space to generate force like when he knocked out cain with a glancing shot from less than a foot away. and boxing gloves allow you to hit harder than mma gloves because your hands are safer from injury so anyone saying that boxing gloves soften the blows is just ignorant
No it doesn’t it like pillows on your hands and like the video says gloves gass more surface area with decreased the power because the power is being distributed Over a lager surface. Why u think a bullet has so mutch power not only cause the pressure but it’s smaller area
you should do a video on the hardest puncher in history, including names like Sonny liston, rocky marciano, francis, wilder, george foreman, earnie shavers, mike tyson. I think it would be very interesting to compare past generation fighters to modern ones to see how there punching power compares
Let's also not forget that Wilder hits these heavyweights hard enough that they stay down for 10 seconds after 1 punch. Most of Ngannou's opponents needed a couple follow up shots to truly put them away.
But I’d say that’s partially because he doesn’t hit them clean or hits them with his left. Wilder usually hits cleaner and with his right. To be fair I think wilder’s straight right is more powerful but ngannou hits harder with other punches
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You wilder is more technically sound than ngannou lol. Go watch ngannou’s best knockouts most of them are against not great fighters nowhere near as athletic as him and he hits a few of them clean. Stipe was his cleanest knockout all the other ones are him spazzing out. Wilder does a lot of small tricks to open his man up for his money shot. And if you go watch wilders best knockouts he lands way cleaner. Best example is when he knocked down fury in the third fight he landed on the forehead so fury didn’t get hurt too much because it wasn’t clean. But in his other fights he’s landing on the chin. Ngannou mostly hits the temple while spazzing out
We should also acknowledge that hooks/ uppercuts have the potential to be the most powerful due to their very high acceleration. Straight punches may go faster in a straight line, but hooks are accelerating at a much higher rate due to their curved trajectory.
Bro you don't know physics. Force doesn't come from the acceleration of the punch but from the speed. Hooks have more power because they have more weight behind them
The delivery time portion of the way you calculated may be incorrect. The calculator used is basing it's calculations of and idea called "Impulses". The delivery time or ∆t(change of time from an initial to final position) is the amount of time that impulse had influence on the object it struck. So a shorter delivery time would mean that the punch was probably retracted faster then a longer delivery time which would mean the punch was likely thrown in a way where i would lead through. Same concept you see when comparing tkd kicks to Muay Thai kicks. Muay Thai tends to "lead through" with their kicks over tkd which focuses less of that. This decreases the overall power for tkd. So instead of looking at the time it took for the punch to land instead see how long the punch sorta stayed on their face before leaving it as the force is more of an impulse rather then a instantaneously applied force. Also to calculate the velocity remember that velocity=Distance/time. Since we know the fighters reach in centimeters we can do the D(fighters reach)/t(time it takes until strike lands) to get a much more accurate velocity. This is still not perfect at the fighters have a slightly bent elbow which makes it more difficult to know the length and distance they covered. (Although if you do know the angle they bent their arm you might be able to determine that. But i doubt it matter much. Shouldn't be taken that seriously anyways so it isn't a big deal.
Im going to add something here to the force equation. Mass isnt the mass you weigh on the scale. Its the amount of mass that gets transfered into the punch. For example, an arm punch has less mass behind it in motion than a full body perfect technique punch. Basically, technique changes the mass factor in the equation. In that sense, id say Eddie Hall could potentially hit harder than ngannou, if he was given ngannous technique.
delivery time will always be higher in mma because they dont fight in as close of a range as in boxing. thats why your result implies wilder hits harder despite of his lower weight. i personally think ngannou hits harder by the eye test, but wilders blows are more devistating, because he knows to deliver punches in the correct place, both timing wise and postional. a blow is more devistating when a oponent leans towards you in the moment of the punch. thats what boxers know perfectly to use to their advantage, while mma fighters have to worry about all kinds of other stuff like takedowns and kicks.
I would say Francis hits harder. Gotta remember that Francis is (or was idk what he wants to do for now) a mma fighter so he has to have more muscle on his legs and other places making him heavier. My main argument would be that Francis fights at most 5 rounds and those rounds aren’t just straight punches to the face so the data for hard punches is much less. Wilder on the other hand fights at most 12 rounds, and after a knockdown there’s a count to 10. Therefore the opponent has more chances to get hit
They do... for numerous reasons.. to measure just pure force (not for per inch) it is probably possible to hit harder with 10oz gloves because more mass at the end of arm.. but.. if we talk about power to knock somebody out, the padding make big differenc because it highly reduces the final twitch to brain and it is much more difficult to knock somebody out with 10oz gloves than 4oz ones.. Id does not mean smaller gloves are healthier tho, because 400 reduced shockwaves are worse for brain health than 3 big ones.. For that reason, Wilder is much more impressive with his ko power than ngannou.. Ngannou is heavier slower puncher who I think can produce more "force" behind his punch.. But Wilder can produce quicker and more lethal punch imo.
If I HAD to choose between taking a single punch from Deontay or Francis (I wouldn't want to get hit by either of them), I would easily make up my mind and go with Francis. I see a different type of power with Deontay, almost like a laser guided missile. 1 straight punch, lights out, knocked out cold. Francis seems to generate a more "slugging" style of power, like a sledgehammer. Big, wide, heavy punches, but are generally a bit slower. I grew up watching many, many big punchers, even guys from before my time like Shavers and Foreman (who were both legit contenders for hardest punchers of all time) and I still haven't seen anyone with the same one punch power as Wilder. It's actually scary that someone can hit that hard.
Louis and Liston, I am old enough for Liston, would also be contenders. Louis because his body geometry and mechanics were so perfect, with great hand speed. Liston because his hands were sledgehammers, they were so freakishly thick and big. Oddly Marciano, could hit incredibly hard too, tiny, but great body geometry and body momentum.
hey man i hope you reply to my opinion below . i am more excited about u replying than any girl in my dms.. I think shavers hit harder than wilder and the reason why i think that is.. shavers in his time was fighting very very very tough guys than wilder is fighting right now.. wilders record would have been worse than earnie if he was fighting in the 60's and 70's lol. especially because wilder barely got any skill..old fighters will be terrified of him..thats for sure..but i think he would loose 30% of his match.
so nah i think earnie is still more savage because he used to hit even while guys where blocking with full will.. he used to hit so hard fighters hand would get bruishes.. just think about that for a second..
There's not only force to punches, there's kinetic energy as well. It's defined as (mass x speed^2)/2. I would say force is more important in the follow through of the punch while the kinetic energy is more important in the initial impact.
Nice video and my opinion is that Wilder hits harder. He is so slender and actually relatively close to the CW weight limit at most of his weigh-ins, so it's truly god gifted that he can hit so damn hard. Francis might also be around 40-50 lbs heavier than Wilder at walkaround weight.
Wilder clearly hits harder. As for the math I saw two big issues, first, delivery time for impact for is how long the objects are in contact, not how long it takes the punch to reach the person. Second, you can't assume their mass in the equation is their weight. Technique is a heavy part of the total mass in a strike. That's why "arm punches" are a thing. As are gazelle hooks and such. The amount of mass in each punch will be variable. I certainly appreciate the work though!
Exactly what I was thinking also frame by frame counting pixels take the length of the ring cage or octagon height as a measure and then find velocity off of that even if it’s a ≈ estimate
It seems that that you misunderstood Newtown's second law F=ma. The force F acts on an object with the mass m that experiences an acceleration a, the object here is the opponents head, presumably. But it makes no sense to separate the head from the rest of the body. The more practical approach would be to measure mometum mv - mass times velocity - which is conserved like the kinetic energy. Not the acceleration but the end velocity at impact is important to the power of a punch, mechanically speaking. The acceleration is what makes it difficult for the opponent to evade the punch.
I wouldn't exagerate it to this extent. Wilder's punching power is nonsensical, and so is Francis's. The main difference between the tow is how physically stronger Ngannou is and also how incredibly strong his chin and overall ability to take blows is. No one has ever seen him hurt, not even when he was battered by Miocic for 5 rounds. He's probably the strongest fighter in the world right now.
Power : minimal effort maximum damage Wilder sleeps people with love taps more than anyone And Deontay is not even close to my favourite fighter … but his power i gotta respect
The equation for Force derives from Mass and Speed. I imagine Francis punches rely heavily on mass. Getting hit by him is like running into a wall, it dazes and stuns you and hurts like hell. But you know what happened. Deontay is all speed, he hits you, you wake up not knowing exactly what happened. You don't feel dazed or confused. It just went dark.
@@llerkisquad4495 Probably not. In the words of the illustrious Mike Tyson. "Knockouts is hitting someone with a punch they don't see." But that was besides the point.
Only if you get hit in the face, the face is small. If wilder lands to the body it's a different story right? As long as he's fighting someone bigger than him of course.
Francis Nagano hits hard even when he barely touches you whereas Wilder dose not. If you notice Wilder only could rock Fury if he fully could hit him at his most aggressive, whereas Francis didn't even come close to punching his all and put Fury down ware Fury couldn't recover.Furys face told us he was shocked at Francis nagano's power.
The issue is that your absolute weight does not matter in how strong your punch is.. what matters is how much of your weight you put behind it with good technique.
I'd think when wilder does his crazy wild swing where he leaps into his punch and gives his punch the longest wind up time, he'd hit the hardest. Giving his punch the longest amount of time to accelerate and being 220lbs is def enough mass and the velocity built up would be crazy
I mean it’s hard to tell as francis is an mma fighter who uses 4 ounce gloves but wilder is a boxer who uses 10. i think wilder is problay more powerful as one he is lighter and two he has less skill to carry his ko’s. it’s pure power.
@@VinylUnboxings wilder had nothing but power. his footwork is so bad, constantly getting out of stance and crossing his legs, same with his speed, he is kinda slow, and his ring iq
Here’s a little help on how to measure punch speed, it’s basically from the delivery time you have. The delivery time is from point A to point B, so then that means that in that time how much distance was covered and that’s the punch speed
The use of physics during this video was a little bit mistaken. For example using body mass in the M*A=F. The best way to model a punch would be by using the conservation of linear momentum. This would mean that the factors to consider are the speed of the hand at the moment of impact and the weight of the hand (+ maybe the forearm). You multiply said mass* speed of the hand and assuming that the collision is the same, you can estimate the power of the punch (momentum transfered from the hand to the head)
Form isn’t only important to accelerate… it’s important if you wanna leverage your weight. Weight on its own does nothing, probably even hinder you. When it comes to knockouts you have to factor in accuracy, if it was expected/did the person know it was coming, of course the gloves and everything in between. It definitely is way more than just mass, acceleration and stuff xD.
in my physics class one of my projects was measuring punching power, which turned out to be a lot trickier than I imagined. We all know force = mass x acceleration and with a machine that works fine but we also have "point of impact" to deal with. Try this yourself, throw your hardest punch at a bag (no people please lol) and just as you make impact, relax your arm. You have speed, you have weight, but almost no force will reach the bag as a lot of it will be dissipated into your relaxed arm when you make contact. Punches are different too, compare the heavy handed George Foreman in his prime compared to Earnie Shavers. Most have said Shavers had the greater 1 punch power, but did he? None of those fighters were around for Foreman Frazier 1. What do I think? I hate to sound like a cop out but Wilder/Ngannou could go either way. Wilder is faster so he has acceleration on his side, Ngannou is quite a bit heavier and knows how to punch so he has mass on his side. Take your choice. If I was hard pressed I'd probably go with Ngannou on a stationary target (a moving target is a whole different thing as it would favor a faster puncher like Wilder) but hey, I could be wrong too, its just a guess.
Why'd you delete my comment? You are a pushover and not a liable boxing info source if you can't handle disagreements. Francis is 60lbs heavier, just as fast and has better technique. End of story.
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@@GeronimoEskinozpas hell yeah brother
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@matthew 10805 You hit harder in bigger gloves. Boxing gloves protect your knuckles and wrists more than UFC gloves.
picture wilder punching someone with mma gloves💀
He's DEFINITELY breaking his hands!
That is a murder case
@@Gatapotata Yep facts..lol
Saw on some fight science show years ago they were getting the same readings from boxing and MMA gloves. It's here on UA-cam.
@@NotKimiRaikkonen the power is the same but the surface area is smaller. Think bullets
The wildest thing that people don't talk about is how good Francis' chin is. He has copped shin bones to the head from multiple huge heavyweights, and still walked forward. He also did a great job going the distance with Ciryl Gane and Stipe Miocic, even after all the damage he sustained.
I personally think they're relative, but I'd lean towards the person who has an entire career only focused on punching. However, that KO of Jairzinho Rozenstruik was scary. He did it with the end of a weak shot that he was not even stepping into.
He laid on gane the whole fight
The fuck are you doing here though Clyde? 😂 What an odd crossover. But you have done some vids on the UFC.
@@Enja___ You answered your own question bro lol
Exactly, Francis has not once dropped or been ko’ed it is insane considering who he has faced. Honestly if they were to have a boxing match I may lean towards Francis due to his chin tbh. Since wilder has been shown capable of being hurt and ko’ed. but it can go either way.
Oh, people do recognize Francis' chin since the first Stipe fight. It could be the strongest chin in the game. Honestly, the only time I can recall Francis being rocked at all was by stipe in the rematch, before the ko.
Wilder hits harder and has better technique, francis is throwing wild swings with absolutely everything Wilder knocked out his last opponent with a jab
He dosent have better technique
If he hit harder he would go break the record. Why wouldn’t he
@@welkometodaparty4821was gunna say deontay has almost zero stereotypical fundamental boxing technique.
He didn’t knock out helenius with a jab
Rewatch the fight, won’t take long lol, he hit him with a right and is a orthodox fighter not a southpaw
Bro just said Wilder had better technique 💀. Wilder is probably the most unorthodox HW in the last 20 years💀. Wilder swings like a maniac what are you talking about bro
Honestly, I'd say Wilder's knockout of Helenius should prove he's the harder puncher. He was off balance, on the back foot, being pressured, and landed at an awkward angle, but he still laid Helenius out cold. I mean like laying on the canvas taking a nap out cold. Super impressive display.
Guys get knock outs with jabs all the time. Anderson Silva used to do it as well. Knockouts like that have nothing to do with power. It's about timing, placement, and the other guy not seeing it coming. And even if you did want to use it as a metric of power. That ko wasn't much different than when Ngannou knocked out Stipe with a short check hook.
Wilder has never put anyone out cold. Out Cold is legs stiff toes curled eyes staring up into the lights
@@jk90z he had all of his opponents except fury twitching on the canvas out cold feet curled and everything tf you talking about
@@alanmadrigal21 show me one. Also he never lifted a 255 lbs man off his feet with a left uppercut. Him and Mike Tyson have never put anyone out like that. In all their kos the victim is still moving a bit. Even with helenius, there was sign of life. When overeem got hit he looked like someone put a bullet in his head. U ever seen a dear get shot? They stiff up.
@@jk90z buddy it doesn't matter if you consider it a knockout or not. Nobody cares what you think, in boxing rules it is considered a knockout whether you like it or not
Imagine Wilder with 4 ounces,people would start dying again
There would be deaths 💀
ngannou hits twice as hard as wilder. yeah.
@@LastbutNotFirst no not even with boxing gloves Ngannu kos would drop .
@@vendetta6180ngannou would just wrestle his ass down and kill him so it doesn't matter. But he does punch harder
I used to say Wilder but now go back and look at what Nagganou did to Furys face vs what Wilder did. There’s your answer right there!
They both hit incredibly hard. Wilder is doing something we haven’t see on the sport by knocking out and dropping everyone he has fought. Not to mention being outweighed as much as 40 lbs or more. I have a respect for both fighters, but for me Wilder has undeniably the most lethal punch in combat sports.
@Disgruntled Simp Mod go back and watch his fights. You’ll be surprised. Besides the hardest puncher, not the most varied puncher
@Disgruntled Simp Mod because ngannu weighs so much more. He is able to throw around more weight in more devastating ways from every angle. But wilder throws his right hand so much faster even with the added wind and weight resistance that comes from the larger gloves. That's why deyontay hits harder. He also has much better accuracy than Francis.
@Disgruntled Simp Mod Wilder did KO Ortiz with a filthy short uppercut who made Big George proud.
I believe both have nuclear power in both hands but Wilder has better timing, and he's reckless as hell too !
He has power but not enough to put fury completely out tho,wilder barely survived their trilogy 😂😂
dropped everyone he fought... Except Tyson who knocked him out lol
They need to start measuring every new fighters punching power accurately and do like an NFL combine type of thing to keep track of everyones punches and to compare everything historically
I like this. Might be a lil hard with the different sanctioning bodies but I think it’d be cool to see
All star weekend but with fighters would be crazy.
@@quandaledingle113 swear though!
Wilder has metal rods
That would be awesome
The one thing your forgetting is Francis cuts weight for 265 while Deontay wilder weighs 238 flat
Funny thing about Wilder is that he hits harder when he is lighter. Its like his power comes from speed. I rewatched his second fight vs Fury and i realized that he caught Fury flush with two right hands in the second round that normally drops his opponents, but did no harm to Fury.
It comes from the metal in his hand due to surgeries
Yeah Wilder was very slow
i mean when he was 238 pounds against fury in that third fight he still gave fury a lot of problems, i believe wilder hits hard at any weight
@@dumbyetsmarterthanyou2960 Wilder doesn't need to put his entire body into the 1-2 to lay someone out. Watch the Ortiz rematch for example.
A lot of fighters say this, Sugar Shane said he when he gained weight his punches were slower causing less less damage and impact
Wilder just has absolutely freak proportions and ability to torque his entire body
Wilder has long reminded me of a Heavyweight Tommy Hearns. Not skill or style wise but in regards to his long, wirey frame that he’s able to pack so much power into. He has long arms and catches people at the ends of his punches and puts their lights out. His right hand is a nuclear missile
Thank you for clearing up that you didn’t mean skill wise lol. Cause he doesn’t hold a candle to Hearns.
Hearns was such a warrior, so much of that spirit and heart, he chose not to keep Hagler at the end of his jab and instead traded like brawlers, giving us probably the most action-packed fight of all time. He could box like a machine, I love that guy.
I thought hearns was a middleweight
Yes another correct assessment. I have also considered him like a heavyweight Tommy Hearns. Both had true shattering one punch KOs. Hearns KOs of Cuevas and Duran show this.
a huge factor in punch power is the length of your forearm, relative to your size. Look at wilders forearms, theyre very very long.
Considering wilder weighs a lot less and uses way larger gloves it is insane to see what he does to heavyweights lol
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You Wilder always breaks his hands. He has metal in it thanks to state of the art surgeries
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You wilder hits harder
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You Ngannou is 300+ pounds with full ability to break just about anyone. Yeah it's safe to say he's not losing to Jon steroids Jones
@@wafflebotus most people say That jon gonna win lol while he got caught by cormier multiple times in their fights by reyes smith Gustafson etc… but what gonna happen when ngannou who have more reach than them gonna touch jones ? A simple one jab rocked miocic and the second when ngannou was off balance slept him
@@wafflebotuswho told you that?Wilder has never broke his hand in a pro fight.Stop it.He was just born with extraordinary power.
If you study Deontay Wilder you will see that he truly is a one hit knock out artist. When he knocks them out it's on purpose and you can see in the way he executes the punch and immediately begins to celebrate or walk away without throwing extra punches or waiting to see the person fall down
Accuracy and timing are extremely important factors as well. If you can catch your opponent coming in as opposed to moving away or turning away, that makes a big difference. If you can catch them on the chin that's a lot better than the forehead, etc..
Didnt ko Arreola, Washington, Fury n DIDNT even put Duhaupas on the ground. So much for one punch power.
@@monstrousanimal5578 bro has over 40 kos wym so much for 1 punch power
On purpose you say?
@@monstrousanimal5578 if you’re saying it’s not on purpose then it proves that he has one punch power even more
I am here after Francis Knocked Down Fury😂
What's one knockdown compared to multiple?
Recency bias is crazy with you people.
@@josephsmiley1 it proved that Francis hits hard as any boxers too
@@CocaineCowboyJones Not as hard as Wilder though
Ngannou just touched Fury's head and the champion went down, then did you see his face? If Wilder (much lighter) takes a punch from Ngannou, he'll go to sleep immediately.
@@henriolamachannelFrancis just punched hard as Wilder
Deontay's right cross is more powerful, any other shot Ngannou has more power in
thats dumb
Exactly what I was thinking. Ngannou has vicious power in every kind of punch. Where as wilder has insane power with his straight but his left hook has never really impressed me.
Edit: also big fan my man keep up the good work
era everywhere
Even stronger than his iconic uppercut?? Lmao sounds like big fanboy
it's crazy because punch power comes from legs, and look at Deontay legs...
Genetic
Don't you worry about that bro he is the meaning of built different , Alex poatan's left hook is same if it lands clean night night.
From the hips
@@gamebred6995 yeah right, legs and hips sorry
most power comes from back twich and Deontay has predator back
One of the major things mentioned is how much the two of them are able to transfer their weight, as their feet are rooted to the ground and only their arms punch. Other than that, I think you covered most of the major points. great vid :D
Wdym?
@@5ubjugator My friend, I'm sorry but I really cba to create a force diagram for you to show how most of the weight (force) component will go through the feet.
Due to things like torque, moments and angled linear force: you are able to convert a lot of this weight into horizontal force. But that doesnt mean that two people will transfer the same amount of force horizontally (technique, body type etc).
Sorry to use words to explain something that needs a diagram. I may have tripped over my words once or twice so dont nitpick what I said above.
@@ludoleatham9614 fair enough. Bit defensive but yeh, thanks...
@@5ubjugator ahah sorry lad. Dunno if it was obvious from my last paragraph but I wrote that in about 1 min and didnt proof read.
Was basically sayign u need a diagram to understand fully but I domnt have time to find one
One thing worth noting is Francis doesn't weigh 263lbs in the cage. That's his weight on the scale the day before after a weight cut. In the cage weight (actual weight when he's sending ppl to the shadow realm) is higher.
ngannou walks around 290lbs,and is curently 310lbs,he's a big ass dude,so much bigger than wilder.
I'd say he is around 280 in the cage
Ngannou is currently around 300
His coach commented on a more plates more dates video. He walks around at 285.
VERY good point.
Boxers also talk about the hardness of the knuckles. Naoya Inoue is said to have knuckle hardness akin to having batteries in a sock. Joe Joyce is perhaps one of the slowest punchers in heavyweight yet a ko artist still.
Joyce uses momentum/inertia to pummel his opponents. It's the effort that he puts in after the punch has already landed. The force would be nearly the same if he fired his punches more quickly from the same distance. But it would be more exhausting. If you could say guys like wilder have a bazooka on their shoulders. Guys like Joyce and ngannu are swinging sledgehammers.
What’s a huge problem with using just mass and acceleration is that a punch is a very complicated body movement. A poor flicky jab may be much faster than a cross, however, a cross has more of the body’s mass and muscle movement which results in more force.
This right here is facts, and Def invalidates the formula for this specific application. There are so much more variables not being accounted for. And ur right, if the jab was being calculated, according to the calculator it would be the most powerful punch😂
Exactly. He even says it’s a matter of power (part of the correct answer) before he goes into the wrong approach of force. The power, not force, along with the delivery profile, determines how the packet of energy was delivered.
Precision and snap can also add to knock outs. Greater force doesn’t mean ko. A huge amount of power, but a real slow punch might not knock you out where as a little less force and a lot more speed snapping your head back could easily knock you out.
I think a great example of this is that Errol Spence Junior has more thudding power that breaks bones whereas Terence Crawford has more snapping power that knocks people out.
I think Deontay Wilder has more snap, and Frances Ngannou has more thudding power
Most accurate breakdown so far
I agree thudding is way worse tho to fight and honeslty would choose to get hit by wilder cuz it’ll quick and sharp but ngannou seems like his power could break my entire jaw in half
Yeah, I don't know why people here seem to think a ko is a metric of punching power. Several people have mentioned Wilders jab ko in his last fight and concluded that he must have jabbed with incredible force to get a knock out.
@@dash4800 those people are mistaken it was a quick right hand not a jab
@@finaothak5140 They'd both break your jaw except Wilder's punch has a significantly higher chance of causing your brain to hemorrhage and bleed, which would kill you very painfully.
you should be measuring momentum to determine who hits harder. It doesn't matter if your punch is accellerating when it makes contact, it matters how much velocity it has. The momentum is converted to force as its momentum changes over time (decelerates) when hitting the target and this is the force that actually matters
Right they apply force over the duration of the punch to their fist which increases it’s momentum which means a harder punch
@UCzVmdOTlj__uhEOkid3SZeQ yeah it's the combination of velocity and mass (rho=mv) so how much mass is behind the punch contributes just as much
exactly
Is that another way of saying see how fast the punch is going after it's pushed past it's target?
@@carltaylor2975 there are people obsessed with momentum in every case like this...
and just to answer yo... pretty much
I love this style video! my only challenge would be 6:03 wilder isn't cutting weight, right? I would assume he's comfortably gaining mass for that fight. francis himself says he walks around just about 300 pounds. I would image human punch force calculator would yield closer to 11,000N impact force for his natural weight. I'd also argue when you have more striking options such as your 8 limbs vs simply your punches like boxing, damage & devastation is greater when inflicted on an opponent who is less likely to be able to predict what's coming.
i would like to clarify something, someone who is lighter can utilize more mass in their punch, that is the difference between a snapping arm punch vs sitting on a punch. When you sit on a punch you incorporate your mass from your feet through your hips to your shoulder and ultimately your fist. an arm punch on the other hand primarily gets it's "mass" from the arm
also, there is no way that the entirety of someone's mass can be delivered in a punch. That 10795 newtons that was calculated would be if deontay's whole body was rocketed to his opponent with the fist surface area. I could go on and on but yeah, it's a great deal more complicated, that being said, I would concur that wilder hits harder
@@its_hokori there's also the precision factor! Just like Mike Tyson, Wilder's punches are devastating because they are always extremely clean. His overhand right is literally perfect.
You can sit on your punches AND SUPPLY A LOT OF SNAP.
Great video as always. You should consider doing a video just introducing yourself, how you got into boxing, etc. especially now that you’ve developed quite a following. Love your content!
another thing i'd like to add is that in MMA, with those slim gloves, i think MMA fighters might not be punching with absolutely 100% of his power,
whereas, wilder with thick gloves would porbably be using closer to his 100% power in real fights.
Probably right, if u throw a wilder style punch in an mma fight you probably break your hand. Never thought about that
MMA fighters go 100% all the time, they break their hands all the time.
wilder's crazy power basically makes him an anime character lmao,in his last fight,he managed to knock out helenius while being somewhat off balance and hitting him from a kind of "sloppy" angle,he's the type of guy who could be outboxed by a mediocre fighter since his technique is average or even bellow average,but could also win against the top guys from any era since he has a crazy big "puncer's chance"
I definitely think Wilder hits harder, mainly for the reasons you said at the end, Ngannou has more tools in his belt and more things to practice where as Wilder only focuses on punching. His knockouts speak for themselves. No disrespect to Ngannou, I believe he hits incredibly hard and if weither one of them punched me in the head, bare knuckled as hard as they could, I would probably die.
I think the most important thing here is size. Ngannou is a good 30-40 pounds heavier than wilder. That’s multiple weight classes if they weren’t HW’s. So it’s close but Wilder definitely hits harder. But pound for pound if they were the same weight; it’s not even close. Wilder by a light year. That’s what impresses me most. Despite being smaller and using gloves that weigh 150% more, he still more than likely hits harder. I could only imagine if wilder bulked up and went to mma…
@@bigpapi6688 I dont think him going to mma would go to well lmao
@@cristianlambert645 wtf are you talking about? I didn’t actually mean transition into mma lol, he makes more per fight than UFC fighters make in their entire career. I meant I can’t imagine the damage he’d do with such small gloves against guys who don’t have near as good defense as boxers do
@@bigpapi6688 he would get taken down and submitted in 3 rounds. also 'wtf are u talking about' you literally said if only he went to mma.
@@aravmanoorayil7234 I didn’t say “if only he went to mma” jackass, I said “I could only imagine”. Which was directly after I mentioned that mma has smaller gloves. Doesn’t take a genius to connect those dots dude.
It’s not just about perfecting punching technique, it’s the muscles and tendons required to perform the technique.
If Ngannou was in the gym for months exploding with punches, he’d be faster and more powerful than he is now.
Grappling makes muscles suited for endurance and takes away from punch speed or optimal arm weight distribution.
Really interesting video, honestly I don’t understand how people agree on using the powerkube as a unit of measurement for force, it doesn’t seem reliable at all. We should really just use PSI for this
it's kinda interesting that wilder prob hits harder but he walks 210-220 and Francis is 250 plus
Francis walks 290+ 😭 bro can probably murder every man on earth in a one on one fight.
@@berlin4103 I'm talking about when they weigh in
Francis prolly like 270+ u seen his arms nest 2 wilder it like 2 of wilder arms Francis is fuvking huge
Wilder probably walks around at like 230-240 and Francis is like 290 plus
why doesnt he try the punch machine then ? francis did it.
There also another variable that wasn't mentioned and calculated: imagine being hit by a steel beam hangin from the ceiling. Even if it weigts not more than 100 kg, if it slowly waves towards your forehead, you'd knock out flat. Because it's density. George Foreman could hit slowly, but deadly at the end of his career, because his arms were that strong at the moment of the impact.
Did this age well?
Absolutely
Ive never seen power like wilder he touches you, you're going its insane how he just can barely glance you and sleep you imagine if he hadd the technique and work ethic to match would be undefeated
been sayn this for years. i completly agree
U think wilder doesn’t have good work ethic? Lmao
I’d say Foreman has similar power dude broke Micheal Moorers mouth piece which is insane considering how tough a mouth piece is.
@@disgruntledsimpmod4879 lewis should be in discussions too
He kod blaydes with his wrist
Work ethic? Did you actually watch Fury vs Wilder 3??
I would've thought any questions about his "work ethic" were answered tenfold that night.
I love that you are talking about MMA fighters as well as boxers now. Smart move too not limiting yourself to only boxing content
C’est une super chaîne le travaille du montage est les explications sont vrm top en + tu parles assez lentement donc j’arrive parfaitement a comprendre ce qui ce dit je valide fort 💯
I'm a boxing casual but watch the vast majority of UFC events, prelims of Fight Nights etc. It's pretty clear to me that Wilder hits harder. I don't know why everyone gets so caught up with the PowerKube score. Recording Ngannou's punching power on that machine was literally done to just hype up Ngannou's first fight with Miocic.
Bro Francis holds the world record for the hardest punch what are you talking about 🤣
wilder has the better straight right, ngannou is more powerful anywhere else.. he actually has left hook + uppercut knock outs as well
@@rileyjothecorso9732 the only reason he still got that record is because top tier boxers haven't even tried to measure thier strength using the same machine
@@juanmigueldelacruz1234 and you don't think there's been any of those boxers that have tried breaking that record 🤔 and i don't know that they have just like you don't know if they have either. Seeing he still holds that record then I would like to believe that there's been people who are still trying to break his record but who knows.
@@rileyjothecorso9732they definitely haven't tried if any of them did then there should be video's circulating around the internet of them trying but there's none especially if the boxer is one of the top tier heavyweights
This video did not age well lol
Why's that?
There’s one other thing about that equation, you brought up technique in regards to acceleration but there’s also how efficiently the force of the body is transferred to the target, a properly lined up punch will eliminate any sort of “give” from the shoulder or the arm, Wilder has this in his left hook (sometimes) and his straight right (every time). Eddies punches were barely punches.
Deontay and it's not even close. Deontay is what Ngannou would be like if he trained boxing a bit more (not complimenting his technique btw)
I don’t think Ngannou would ever hit as hard and wilder. It’s mostly genetic
@@eamonshields2754 you're probably right, the dudes body is just designed by nature to ko people with hands.
This world works in weird ways, i was literally thinking earlier who would hit harder out of these 2 and i thought surely theres no way wilder hits harder than ngannou
The video I've been waiting for since I found your channel 😎🤝
Keep posting content bro. I love your stuff!
Francis is a different kind of strong the kind of strong that makes his opponent forget they're a professional fighter
Wilder is lighter and has a wide motion that adds speed to his punch. Ngannou is a slab of marble and doesn't need to put much momentum into his punch. For me, Ngannou hits harder.
Great video this is something I’ve often thought about this too💯👊🏽
ur content is just getting better and better keep it up🔥
Ngannou's punch is more powerful than Wilder's. Besides being an elite puncher, the Cameroonian is also a proverbial absorber with a jaw of steel (did you see how he took Fury's elbow?)
Like you said, it's two different sports with two different gloves though(less padding in MMA gloves so you could hurt yourself, but imo Wilder because he's been Boxing longer. Also, hard to measure, because Wilder knocking out more people doesn't equate to who actually hits harder.
2:18 Just a quick thought: I think it might have been better to use momentum (mass x velocity) instead of Force (mass x acceleration) because I think the final velocity just before the fist comes into contact with the face would matter more. But again, if we assume that the initial velocity of the punch is 0m/s, the results should be the same...? I might be wrong since I'm terrible at Physics lol 😢
Happy New Year brother.... Hope we see a Livestream from you this year!
And ya.... Wilder all day.
Another thing is deonte only weighed in 238 one time, a lot of them devastating knockouts deonte had he only weighed in 213-220
He was 209 the first weigh in against Fury
As just I saw today. Francis vs Ngannou. Francis easily hit harder. He didn’t even connect clean and man his power
Hell no that was a perfect shot accuracy wise and it didnt have fury stumbling like wilder did or send ripples down furys body not to mention not putting him down as hard as theyre first fight
He hit Fury with a counter punch that Fury didn't see. You can't compare that to how Wilder hit Fury. There was no counter and it still dropped Fury
That wasn’t even a massive shot, yes Fury fell but Fury’s hit the canvas to many.
What an interesting vid! I subscribed to your channel after this. Anyway I would put into evidence also the amazing ability that wilder has to put his weight in his punches, it requires coordination and flexibility and his lean body is surely a huge help in that.
He is totally different from a guy like mike tyson who, imho, had a worse cardio than wilder but was perfectly able to release long combos, while wilder wears out after throwing one of his bombs and he needs an important amount of time to recover.
He is such a unique case in boxing and in fighting in general
For the weight, youshould only use the punches that they threw in that certain specific highest weight. Because they might not accelerate as much in their highest weight compared to the random weights they had that you used to base their hardest punches on
In my opinion, wilder puches harder simply because his base (meaning his literal stance) is for boxing and sitting down on your punches.
He doesn’t have to worry about takedowns.
If Francis focused on boxing solely, maybe he has the bigger punch, but it’s horses for courses and we can’t be sure.
Both absolute tanks
I think wilder needs more space to get his power, like he really lunges into most of his shots with all his body weight behind them. ngannou usually just wings arm punches and knocks guys out, even when he doesnt get as much space to generate force like when he knocked out cain with a glancing shot from less than a foot away. and boxing gloves allow you to hit harder than mma gloves because your hands are safer from injury so anyone saying that boxing gloves soften the blows is just ignorant
No it doesn’t it like pillows on your hands and like the video says gloves gass more surface area with decreased the power because the power is being distributed Over a lager surface. Why u think a bullet has so mutch power not only cause the pressure but it’s smaller area
@@kingtownsend2536 human hands aren't bullets... the video even says deontay has broken his hands
you should do a video on the hardest puncher in history, including names like Sonny liston, rocky marciano, francis, wilder, george foreman, earnie shavers, mike tyson. I think it would be very interesting to compare past generation fighters to modern ones to see how there punching power compares
Your videos are great man, keep them up
Let's also not forget that Wilder hits these heavyweights hard enough that they stay down for 10 seconds after 1 punch. Most of Ngannou's opponents needed a couple follow up shots to truly put them away.
I dont think overeem ever woke up
But I’d say that’s partially because he doesn’t hit them clean or hits them with his left. Wilder usually hits cleaner and with his right. To be fair I think wilder’s straight right is more powerful but ngannou hits harder with other punches
@@dumbyetsmarterthanyou2960 I think ngannou actually catches his opponents less clean than deontay
I disagree, I think it's because deontay wilder catches his opponents cleaner
@Dumb Yet Smarter Than You wilder is more technically sound than ngannou lol. Go watch ngannou’s best knockouts most of them are against not great fighters nowhere near as athletic as him and he hits a few of them clean. Stipe was his cleanest knockout all the other ones are him spazzing out. Wilder does a lot of small tricks to open his man up for his money shot. And if you go watch wilders best knockouts he lands way cleaner. Best example is when he knocked down fury in the third fight he landed on the forehead so fury didn’t get hurt too much because it wasn’t clean. But in his other fights he’s landing on the chin. Ngannou mostly hits the temple while spazzing out
We should also acknowledge that hooks/ uppercuts have the potential to be the most powerful due to their very high acceleration. Straight punches may go faster in a straight line, but hooks are accelerating at a much higher rate due to their curved trajectory.
Bro you don't know physics. Force doesn't come from the acceleration of the punch but from the speed. Hooks have more power because they have more weight behind them
@@gamingkingdom1146force is literally mass x acceleration lol. Momentum is mass x velocity.
@@gamingkingdom1146 force is literally calculated by multiplying the force by the acceleration. The formula is F=MA
@@lekanosagie the power comes from the acceleration of the head (not the hand) which comes from the momentum of the punch, which is mass * velocity
@@lekanosagie the force applied on the head comes from the momentum of the punch
The delivery time portion of the way you calculated may be incorrect.
The calculator used is basing it's calculations of and idea called "Impulses". The delivery time or ∆t(change of time from an initial to final position) is the amount of time that impulse had influence on the object it struck. So a shorter delivery time would mean that the punch was probably retracted faster then a longer delivery time which would mean the punch was likely thrown in a way where i would lead through. Same concept you see when comparing tkd kicks to Muay Thai kicks. Muay Thai tends to "lead through" with their kicks over tkd which focuses less of that. This decreases the overall power for tkd. So instead of looking at the time it took for the punch to land instead see how long the punch sorta stayed on their face before leaving it as the force is more of an impulse rather then a instantaneously applied force. Also to calculate the velocity remember that velocity=Distance/time. Since we know the fighters reach in centimeters we can do the D(fighters reach)/t(time it takes until strike lands) to get a much more accurate velocity.
This is still not perfect at the fighters have a slightly bent elbow which makes it more difficult to know the length and distance they covered. (Although if you do know the angle they bent their arm you might be able to determine that. But i doubt it matter much.
Shouldn't be taken that seriously anyways so it isn't a big deal.
Im going to add something here to the force equation. Mass isnt the mass you weigh on the scale. Its the amount of mass that gets transfered into the punch. For example, an arm punch has less mass behind it in motion than a full body perfect technique punch.
Basically, technique changes the mass factor in the equation. In that sense, id say Eddie Hall could potentially hit harder than ngannou, if he was given ngannous technique.
delivery time will always be higher in mma because they dont fight in as close of a range as in boxing. thats why your result implies wilder hits harder despite of his lower weight. i personally think ngannou hits harder by the eye test, but wilders blows are more devistating, because he knows to deliver punches in the correct place, both timing wise and postional. a blow is more devistating when a oponent leans towards you in the moment of the punch. thats what boxers know perfectly to use to their advantage, while mma fighters have to worry about all kinds of other stuff like takedowns and kicks.
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I would say Francis hits harder. Gotta remember that Francis is (or was idk what he wants to do for now) a mma fighter so he has to have more muscle on his legs and other places making him heavier. My main argument would be that Francis fights at most 5 rounds and those rounds aren’t just straight punches to the face so the data for hard punches is much less. Wilder on the other hand fights at most 12 rounds, and after a knockdown there’s a count to 10. Therefore the opponent has more chances to get hit
Its insane to me that nobody knows that cloves dont matter with punch power
They do... for numerous reasons.. to measure just pure force (not for per inch) it is probably possible to hit harder with 10oz gloves because more mass at the end of arm.. but.. if we talk about power to knock somebody out, the padding make big differenc because it highly reduces the final twitch to brain and it is much more difficult to knock somebody out with 10oz gloves than 4oz ones.. Id does not mean smaller gloves are healthier tho, because 400 reduced shockwaves are worse for brain health than 3 big ones.. For that reason, Wilder is much more impressive with his ko power than ngannou.. Ngannou is heavier slower puncher who I think can produce more "force" behind his punch.. But Wilder can produce quicker and more lethal punch imo.
If I HAD to choose between taking a single punch from Deontay or Francis (I wouldn't want to get hit by either of them), I would easily make up my mind and go with Francis. I see a different type of power with Deontay, almost like a laser guided missile. 1 straight punch, lights out, knocked out cold. Francis seems to generate a more "slugging" style of power, like a sledgehammer. Big, wide, heavy punches, but are generally a bit slower. I grew up watching many, many big punchers, even guys from before my time like Shavers and Foreman (who were both legit contenders for hardest punchers of all time) and I still haven't seen anyone with the same one punch power as Wilder. It's actually scary that someone can hit that hard.
Gravity is also a factor. Wilder mostly punches down. He is about 6"6 and Francis is 6"4
Louis and Liston, I am old enough for Liston, would also be contenders. Louis because his body geometry and mechanics were so perfect, with great hand speed. Liston because his hands were sledgehammers, they were so freakishly thick and big. Oddly Marciano, could hit incredibly hard too, tiny, but great body geometry and body momentum.
Have you seen ngannou knocking people out in ufc?💀
hey man i hope you reply to my opinion below . i am more excited about u replying than any girl in my dms..
I think shavers hit harder than wilder and the reason why i think that is.. shavers in his time was fighting very very very tough guys than wilder is fighting right now.. wilders record would have been worse than earnie if he was fighting in the 60's and 70's lol. especially because wilder barely got any skill..old fighters will be terrified of him..thats for sure..but i think he would loose 30% of his match.
so nah i think earnie is still more savage because he used to hit even while guys where blocking with full will.. he used to hit so hard fighters hand would get bruishes.. just think about that for a second..
Did you forget Ngannou has the world record for the hardest punch
My brother in Christ did you watch the video?
Francis officially hits harder, until Wilder measures it the same way Wilder did, Francis is officially the hardest hitter in history
Oh my god a guy with a brain FINALLY! Boxers will always hit harder than MMA fighters.
Wilder for sure. Can't believe this is even in doubt.
Yea but imagine a real fight between the two, in boxing wilder first round, but in a real fight ngannou wins
@@gauismaximus595 absolutely ngannou in any other type of martial art besides boxing.
Another solid video bro 💯🙌🏾
There's not only force to punches, there's kinetic energy as well. It's defined as (mass x speed^2)/2. I would say force is more important in the follow through of the punch while the kinetic energy is more important in the initial impact.
Nice video and my opinion is that Wilder hits harder.
He is so slender and actually relatively close to the CW weight limit at most of his weigh-ins, so it's truly god gifted that he can hit so damn hard.
Francis might also be around 40-50 lbs heavier than Wilder at walkaround weight.
Wilder clearly hits harder. As for the math I saw two big issues, first, delivery time for impact for is how long the objects are in contact, not how long it takes the punch to reach the person. Second, you can't assume their mass in the equation is their weight. Technique is a heavy part of the total mass in a strike. That's why "arm punches" are a thing. As are gazelle hooks and such. The amount of mass in each punch will be variable. I certainly appreciate the work though!
Exactly what I was thinking also frame by frame counting pixels take the length of the ring cage or octagon height as a measure and then find velocity off of that even if it’s a ≈ estimate
why doesnt he try the punch machine then ? francis did it.
Thank your for your videos 💪🏽🤝
It seems that that you misunderstood Newtown's second law F=ma. The force F acts on an object with the mass m that experiences an acceleration a, the object here is the opponents head, presumably. But it makes no sense to separate the head from the rest of the body. The more practical approach would be to measure mometum mv - mass times velocity - which is conserved like the kinetic energy. Not the acceleration but the end velocity at impact is important to the power of a punch, mechanically speaking. The acceleration is what makes it difficult for the opponent to evade the punch.
Ngannou hits harder. He weighs 50lb more than Wilder
Weight isnt the end all be all if it was ruiz would be the hardest puncher in history when he came in at 260
i’ve always said that wilder hits harder. he nukes pro super heavyweight boxers with 10-12oz gloves on.
ngannou doesnt hit harder than the average top 10 heavyweight boxer, not even close to wilder
I wouldn't exagerate it to this extent. Wilder's punching power is nonsensical, and so is Francis's. The main difference between the tow is how physically stronger Ngannou is and also how incredibly strong his chin and overall ability to take blows is. No one has ever seen him hurt, not even when he was battered by Miocic for 5 rounds. He's probably the strongest fighter in the world right now.
LOL sure buddy
Bro makes the best videos, keep going!
I'm so bad at math and physics (high school dropout) but it's very impressive how far and beyond you went to make this type of video happen.
Nice! 🇵🇭
Power : minimal effort maximum damage
Wilder sleeps people with love taps more than anyone
And Deontay is not even close to my favourite fighter … but his power i gotta respect
The equation for Force derives from Mass and Speed.
I imagine Francis punches rely heavily on mass. Getting hit by him is like running into a wall, it dazes and stuns you and hurts like hell. But you know what happened.
Deontay is all speed, he hits you, you wake up not knowing exactly what happened. You don't feel dazed or confused. It just went dark.
My man I don't think Overeem sees that uppercut coming
@@llerkisquad4495 Probably not. In the words of the illustrious Mike Tyson.
"Knockouts is hitting someone with a punch they don't see."
But that was besides the point.
Only if you get hit in the face, the face is small. If wilder lands to the body it's a different story right? As long as he's fighting someone bigger than him of course.
Francis Nagano hits hard even when he barely touches you whereas Wilder dose not.
If you notice Wilder only could rock Fury if he fully could hit him at his most aggressive, whereas Francis didn't even come close to punching his all and put Fury down ware Fury couldn't recover.Furys face told us he was shocked at Francis nagano's power.
The issue is that your absolute weight does not matter in how strong your punch is.. what matters is how much of your weight you put behind it with good technique.
I'd think when wilder does his crazy wild swing where he leaps into his punch and gives his punch the longest wind up time, he'd hit the hardest. Giving his punch the longest amount of time to accelerate and being 220lbs is def enough mass and the velocity built up would be crazy
and he has metal rods in his hand
I mean it’s hard to tell as francis is an mma fighter who uses 4 ounce gloves but wilder is a boxer who uses 10.
i think wilder is problay more powerful as one he is lighter and two he has less skill to carry his ko’s. it’s pure power.
Thinking he’s more powerful because he’s lighter and thinking he’s less skilled are both very strange takes.
hes way more skilled in striking than francis lol what?
Nganou by far is less skilled in his KOs
@@CMXR i wouldn't say wilder is the better striker, better boxer not striker.
@@VinylUnboxings wilder had nothing but power. his footwork is so bad, constantly getting out of stance and crossing his legs, same with his speed, he is kinda slow, and his ring iq
Here’s a little help on how to measure punch speed, it’s basically from the delivery time you have. The delivery time is from point A to point B, so then that means that in that time how much distance was covered and that’s the punch speed
The use of physics during this video was a little bit mistaken. For example using body mass in the M*A=F. The best way to model a punch would be by using the conservation of linear momentum. This would mean that the factors to consider are the speed of the hand at the moment of impact and the weight of the hand (+ maybe the forearm). You multiply said mass* speed of the hand and assuming that the collision is the same, you can estimate the power of the punch (momentum transfered from the hand to the head)
Wilder is in a sport that is nothing but punching...I would assume he hits harder
Technique comes into it and he actually doesn't have the best technique
that means wilder might be the hardest puncher in human history
Yh he is
Wilder should first go and break Francis's record first as the hardest punch ever recorded
Form isn’t only important to accelerate… it’s important if you wanna leverage your weight. Weight on its own does nothing, probably even hinder you. When it comes to knockouts you have to factor in accuracy, if it was expected/did the person know it was coming, of course the gloves and everything in between. It definitely is way more than just mass, acceleration and stuff xD.
in my physics class one of my projects was measuring punching power, which turned out to be a lot trickier than I imagined. We all know force = mass x acceleration and with a machine that works fine but we also have "point of impact" to deal with. Try this yourself, throw your hardest punch at a bag (no people please lol) and just as you make impact, relax your arm. You have speed, you have weight, but almost no force will reach the bag as a lot of it will be dissipated into your relaxed arm when you make contact. Punches are different too, compare the heavy handed George Foreman in his prime compared to Earnie Shavers. Most have said Shavers had the greater 1 punch power, but did he? None of those fighters were around for Foreman Frazier 1. What do I think? I hate to sound like a cop out but Wilder/Ngannou could go either way. Wilder is faster so he has acceleration on his side, Ngannou is quite a bit heavier and knows how to punch so he has mass on his side. Take your choice. If I was hard pressed I'd probably go with Ngannou on a stationary target (a moving target is a whole different thing as it would favor a faster puncher like Wilder) but hey, I could be wrong too, its just a guess.
imagine getting hit by wilder wit mma gloves
Death
imagine dying of blunt force trauma
Your head and his hand explode
Francis is a soft hitter compared to wilder
Calling Francis a soft hitter compared to anybody is a crazy statement
@@lah_red3257 he ain't koing anyone in boxing 🥊
@@gamebred6995 maybe because the skill gap but if he caught them clean of course he could
@@gamebred6995 he can kill anyone in boxing
Francis hits harder than wilder I have seen people take his lunch and I think Francis can knock out fury but wilder will never too big
You should do why is Francis such a beast beating the best boxer to this day!