Currently I am submitting stock photos to 4 sites, downloads have been 50, 65 and 70 and 1, basically all sites generally have the same images, except for the site I only made one sale on, and I submit more images to them than the others sites. So until recently I made One dollar, and just last week had two sales for a total of 62. So I am stunned and it was editorial.
Awesome! Congratulations! Every once in a while get sales like that, it is motivating 😁 Every agency has that potential, but one more than the others, the sales arent as frequent but usually when you sell something it is for more $$$! Best of luck and thanks for sharing!!
This is good information. I barely submit any commercial images anymore. An interesting fact about editorial images is they do not use them to feed the AI.
You have to select that the photo is an editorial when you upload, then I'm sure there is some type of algorithm that checks the description, if it is not done correctly it gets rejected right away for bad caption, then I'm positive it goes to a reviewer @@sharvo6
@@wollertz Got it, thx! Maybe I misunderstood the Mattfowlerkc post, I was assuming he saying that the AI large language learning bots somehow avoided editorial images when they scrape the internet for data/images to be in corporate into the various AI apps results.
With Adobe to be able to submit editorial, a person has to have had 100 sales in commercial subjects. With my Adobe I have had 159 images accepted and so far 57 sales, one image has sold 10 times and a few others 5 times. What I am finding with Adobe is they are taking so long to process with QC, I have 20 waiting for approval, one I submitted 4 months ago and others 24 days ago with the Halloween theme.
For Adobe, if I shoot a couple of people walking down the beach from BEHIND, carrying surf boards, but you cannot see their faces, just the back of their heads, would that get accepted you think? And what about silhouettes of people,,,clearly unidentifiable?
Things have been changing, and I suppose we can thank lawyers 😅 and more and more agencies ar not accepting the backs of people without a release. You can try and might get lucky 🤷♂️
Thanks for this video. You advised me a while ago that with my equipment, I should shoot more editorial images. This has made things easier, and it has meant more of my images are accepted
so if I shoot a garbage truck, it's an editorial. Got it But, if I shoot a garbage truck and if I photoshop the logo off the garbage truck (ie; Waste Management etc) or any other identifying things, ie; license plate, truck number etc...then I could upload it as commercial?
if i wanted to shoot a photo of a bus stop on a street, and as long as NO people are in the shot? Can I use that as commercial if I photoshop out any logos ? ie; the bus stop that says (for example) Beeline Metro Bus or any advertising on the bus bench?
If you remove all logos, there should be no problem with selling it as commercial. The only thing would be any landmarks like private buildings, but for the most part its ok as long as there are no names
Thanks for a very interesting video. One problem I (and many others) have with Adobe is that they won't allow you to upload illustrative editorial content until you have sold 100 pictures. In the last 18 months I have sold 332 images on shutterstock but only 19 on Adobe for that very reason. It's really hard to upload pictures that have NOTHING identifiable in them to conform with Adobe's sub 100 upload requirements. At this rate it'll take me another 8 years just to hit the 100 mark, then I'll be able to upload thousands of images. For someone with less than 100 sales, it's very VERY frustrating. I have emailed them and explained that I have a large collection of images that are editorial and could they make an exception, but they have not responded.
Thank you for the clarification ! I did not remember that. Sales from Adobe have been pricking up, hopefully you can start doing those editorials soon!
Nice video Charles, I am not sure if official press pass exist for every event, if I am correct for many you must be approved by organization making event, but is helpful in NYC for many event. It was Catch 22, you must approve you have sold and publish 3 images, but you do not have PP for did this.I do not have it, but I know few photographers in city who have it. I cover many events in city, and I must ask for approval same like my friends with PP. Easiest way is if you work for press :)
This is true, most large organizations have to approve of the photographer even with a pass, but there’s still many other opportunities for simple editorial images that sell. Thanks for the clarification, great info!
Charles, can you develop a video talking about Shutterstock. I recently started uploading to them again after an absence of a couple of years. (I regularly upload to iStock). I had a group of 16 travel photos in the first group I uploaded. Eight were accepted as creative and eight others were accepted as 'data licensing'. It appears that that is a new category where images are made available for machine learning but not available for sale as creative. I can't see why any individual photo was selected for creative v. data licensing. I turned off data licensing but now I'm not sure if the photos will be submitted to the creative portfolio or if I have to delete and re-upload them. Thanks. I've gotten back into stock photography with renewed interest because of your videos.
Data licensing is a way to use photos that otherwise would have been rejected for one reason or another, usually quality issues or similar images, you can turn it off, but that applies to new uploads, whats up is already up, you can try removing those and uploading again. Shutterstock has been making so strange changes and unfortunately some agencies... have been sending emails about talking about them on youtube... it is in their contract and they could delete accounts so I have to be very careful about how o say things about specific agencies on youtube now 😅. Hope this helps!
Great Video, I Didn't Know About Adobe Illustration Editorials and Also About Events. I Do Have a Press Pass, But How to You Tell That To the Stock House?
Awesome! If I remember correctly when you upload images most agencies have notes for the editor, and you can say you have a press pass, also Shutterstock and Getty used to have an option when setting up your profile, these are the two that are the most picky about this sort of thing, I haven’t done this in years, once upload it it was good for a while 🤷♂️ Try notes to the editor, and definitely check your profile and make sure all the info is up! Best of luck!
Events can be complicated issue, depending on the country. As a rough guide line, if people have to pay an entry fee, you need a press or media pass. Complicating matters even further is the media policies of local councils and National parks. In Australia I can take images in a National park for my own use, if however I wish to commercialise them I then need a media permit and with that public liability insurance in order to get the media permit.
Hello thanks for the video. So, if my thing is to create photo montages from things around my environment, that would be commercial??? I recently started at this and feel a bit confused. Thanks
Sort of. It all depends on the usage of the photo, how it is used determines if the license is rf or editorial, a RF commercial photo can be used as an editorial (used to share information or a particular event or place) but a photo with an editorial license can not be used as a commercial photo. Think about editorial photography as photo journalism. Documenting a point In time, you have to include that in the caption, and RF commercial photography can be everything else, or almost everything else
@@wollertz Repeat on the question; is that 100 accepted uploads of images or 100 downloads by clients of images? And, what does it mean that an image is not supported by Adobe Stock? Sorry for so many questions.
Its supposed to be faces, but now, some photographers had had difficult situations when they use the backs of people because they can recognize their clothes. 🤷♂️ I haven't had any trouble with backs of people, maybe i've been lucky 🤷♂️
@@wollertz I took a picture of Cowboys hat and they would not accept it, other images even with people who are a dot in the landscape, they won't accept. I even tried just using my hands in a video and they still would not accept it without a model release.
Currently I am submitting stock photos to 4 sites, downloads have been 50, 65 and 70 and 1, basically all sites generally have the same images, except for the site I only made one sale on, and I submit more images to them than the others sites. So until recently I made One dollar, and just last week had two sales for a total of 62. So I am stunned and it was editorial.
Awesome! Congratulations!
Every once in a while get sales like that, it is motivating 😁
Every agency has that potential, but one more than the others, the sales arent as frequent but usually when you sell something it is for more $$$!
Best of luck and thanks for sharing!!
what sites?
This is good information. I barely submit any commercial images anymore. An interesting fact about editorial images is they do not use them to feed the AI.
I did not know that! Thanks for that tidbit! Very useful!
curious ... do the AI engines filter out editorial? Or do the agencies somehow prevent AI from scraping the editorial?
You have to select that the photo is an editorial when you upload, then I'm sure there is some type of algorithm that checks the description, if it is not done correctly it gets rejected right away for bad caption, then I'm positive it goes to a reviewer @@sharvo6
@@wollertz Got it, thx! Maybe I misunderstood the Mattfowlerkc post, I was assuming he saying that the AI large language learning bots somehow avoided editorial images when they scrape the internet for data/images to be in corporate into the various AI apps results.
With Adobe to be able to submit editorial, a person has to have had 100 sales in commercial subjects. With my Adobe I have had 159 images accepted and so far 57 sales, one image has sold 10 times and a few others 5 times. What I am finding with Adobe is they are taking so long to process with QC, I have 20 waiting for approval, one I submitted 4 months ago and others 24 days ago with the Halloween theme.
thanks for clarifying!
Thanks Charles. I have only uploaded commercial photos until relatively recently, but editorial ones sell too I have noticed.
Good stuff! Thanks for sharing
For Adobe, if I shoot a couple of people walking down the beach from BEHIND, carrying surf boards, but you cannot see their faces, just the back of their heads, would that get accepted you think? And what about silhouettes of people,,,clearly unidentifiable?
Things have been changing, and I suppose we can thank lawyers 😅 and more and more agencies ar not accepting the backs of people without a release. You can try and might get lucky 🤷♂️
@@wollertz thank you so much for your reply. Much appreciated.
Thanks for this video. You advised me a while ago that with my equipment, I should shoot more editorial images. This has made things easier, and it has meant more of my images are accepted
One thing I forgot to mention is that Alamy will only accept illustative editorial if you have at least 100 downloads
Thank you for that, I didn't know that! Someone else said the same about Adobe Stock.@@ivanmaguire2277
Thats great more photos accepted means more sales! best of luck!
I am so stupid, I meant Adobe
It happens! Too many to keep track of 😅. I was going to look into it, I’m glad I haven’t had time 😂
so if I shoot a garbage truck, it's an editorial. Got it
But, if I shoot a garbage truck and if I photoshop the logo off the garbage truck (ie; Waste Management etc) or any other identifying things, ie; license plate, truck number etc...then I could upload it as commercial?
Yes!
@@wollertz good to know
I appreciate it. New subscriber here. I love yr channel
Thank you 🙌
if i wanted to shoot a photo of a bus stop on a street, and as long as NO people are in the shot? Can I use that as commercial if I photoshop out any logos ? ie; the bus stop that says (for example) Beeline Metro Bus or any advertising on the bus bench?
If you remove all logos, there should be no problem with selling it as commercial. The only thing would be any landmarks like private buildings, but for the most part its ok as long as there are no names
@@wollertz interesting thank you 🙏
Thanks for a very interesting video. One problem I (and many others) have with Adobe is that they won't allow you to upload illustrative editorial content until you have sold 100 pictures. In the last 18 months I have sold 332 images on shutterstock but only 19 on Adobe for that very reason. It's really hard to upload pictures that have NOTHING identifiable in them to conform with Adobe's sub 100 upload requirements. At this rate it'll take me another 8 years just to hit the 100 mark, then I'll be able to upload thousands of images. For someone with less than 100 sales, it's very VERY frustrating. I have emailed them and explained that I have a large collection of images that are editorial and could they make an exception, but they have not responded.
Thank you for the clarification ! I did not remember that. Sales from Adobe have been pricking up, hopefully you can start doing those editorials soon!
Great info! Would've liked to see the leaf blower though 😂
😂
Thanks!
Nice video Charles, I am not sure if official press pass exist for every event, if I am correct for many you must be approved by organization making event, but is helpful in NYC for many event. It was Catch 22, you must approve you have sold and publish 3 images, but you do not have PP for did this.I do not have it, but I know few photographers in city who have it. I cover many events in city, and I must ask for approval same like my friends with PP. Easiest way is if you work for press :)
This is true, most large organizations have to approve of the photographer even with a pass, but there’s still many other opportunities for simple editorial images that sell.
Thanks for the clarification, great info!
@@wollertz Absolutely yes, very helpful on streets event like Thanksgiving parade, rally, demonstration....
Charles, can you develop a video talking about Shutterstock. I recently started uploading to them again after an absence of a couple of years. (I regularly upload to iStock). I had a group of 16 travel photos in the first group I uploaded. Eight were accepted as creative and eight others were accepted as 'data licensing'. It appears that that is a new category where images are made available for machine learning but not available for sale as creative. I can't see why any individual photo was selected for creative v. data licensing. I turned off data licensing but now I'm not sure if the photos will be submitted to the creative portfolio or if I have to delete and re-upload them. Thanks. I've gotten back into stock photography with renewed interest because of your videos.
Data licensing is a way to use photos that otherwise would have been rejected for one reason or another, usually quality issues or similar images, you can turn it off, but that applies to new uploads, whats up is already up, you can try removing those and uploading again. Shutterstock has been making so strange changes and unfortunately some agencies... have been sending emails about talking about them on youtube... it is in their contract and they could delete accounts so I have to be very careful about how o say things about specific agencies on youtube now 😅.
Hope this helps!
Great video! Thanks for sharing such useful info.
Thank you! And I hope it helps, editorials are great earners! Best of luck!
Great Video, I Didn't Know About Adobe Illustration Editorials and Also About Events. I Do Have a Press Pass, But How to You Tell That To the Stock House?
Awesome!
If I remember correctly when you upload images most agencies have notes for the editor, and you can say you have a press pass, also Shutterstock and Getty used to have an option when setting up your profile, these are the two that are the most picky about this sort of thing, I haven’t done this in years, once upload it it was good for a while 🤷♂️
Try notes to the editor, and definitely check your profile and make sure all the info is up!
Best of luck!
Events can be complicated issue, depending on the country. As a rough guide line, if people have to pay an entry fee, you need a press or media pass. Complicating matters even further is the media policies of local councils and National parks. In Australia I can take images in a National park for my own use, if however I wish to commercialise them I then need a media permit and with that public liability insurance in order to get the media permit.
Thanks for the info.
Any time!
Hello thanks for the video. So, if my thing is to create photo montages from things around my environment, that would be commercial???
I recently started at this and feel a bit confused.
Thanks
Sort of. It all depends on the usage of the photo, how it is used determines if the license is rf or editorial, a RF commercial photo can be used as an editorial (used to share information or a particular event or place) but a photo with an editorial license can not be used as a commercial photo.
Think about editorial photography as photo journalism. Documenting a point In time, you have to include that in the caption, and RF commercial photography can be everything else, or almost everything else
@@wollertz Thank you very much
How do you get Adobe Stock to accept a photograph as Illustrative Editorial? Thank you
I have been corrected in the coments, you have to have 100 downloads before the option is available
😮 that sucks. Thanks for the quick reply.
@@wollertz Repeat on the question; is that 100 accepted uploads of images or 100 downloads by clients of images? And, what does it mean that an image is not supported by Adobe Stock? Sorry for so many questions.
Do I need a model release if it’s a self portrait? I can’t find a direct ‘yes’ when I’m searching online.
Yes you do!
The agencies want to protect themselves also.
@@wollertz oh, ok. Thank you for telling me!!!!!!!
Nice video. Nice tips, keep them coming. Have you explored selling your photographs through Instagram? If you have done it can you make a video on it.
Thanks! To be honest I didn’t even know I could sell photos on Instagram 😅
I’ll look into it, my 10 “real” followers might be interested 🤣
what is the definition of 'recognisible'?
Its supposed to be faces, but now, some photographers had had difficult situations when they use the backs of people because they can recognize their clothes. 🤷♂️ I haven't had any trouble with backs of people, maybe i've been lucky 🤷♂️
@@wollertz I took a picture of Cowboys hat and they would not accept it, other images even with people who are a dot in the landscape, they won't accept. I even tried just using my hands in a video and they still would not accept it without a model release.
Wow, that hasn’t happened to me for a long time, I usually use a MR when ever posible, but not always 🤷♂️
Thanks Charlie!!
You are welcome!
Thanks for all the coments! They are very helpful!
Best educational ❤
Thank you so much!
Thanks man fast🫡
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Can Bambi really slam a revolving door! Isn't that impossible 😳
She can also make fire by rubbing two ice cubes, and she doesn’t even have thumbs!
@@wollertz most impressive 👏 wow! 🤣🤣
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