Enjoyed the chat very much very informative. I endorse everything that L.A.Golf are doing. I personally was always a below average putter, so 20 odd years ago I designed and marketed a broom handle Glass headed putter the feel was phenomenol compared to steel so soft, 4 European Senior tournaments were won with it over a 12 month period Bob Charles the New zealand left hander who was recognised as one of the great putters of the 60's was quoted as saying this is the best feeling putter I have ever struck. So as for LA Golf I personally trake my hat off to them we may all be using these putters in a year or two. Remember we went from HICKORY to STEEL to AlUMINIUM back to STEELthen to GRAPHITE and STEEL.The evoloution of golf clubs I think it is great.
Ok, let's learn a couple of things about putter shafts from Tour Players of the Past. First, players should understand that historically, a Club Repair Pro would use whatever shaft was available and put that shaft into putters. With only minimal weight differences, minimal outside diameter differences between driver shafts and wedge shafts, and The material and flex of putter shafts were completely ignored as it was agreed that we didn't strike the ball hard enough with the putter to have shaft flex have any effect whatsoever. We didn't care if it was steel or titanium or graphite. The consensus was that there was no difference in between the putter shafts installed. Now, I will share a secret about putter shafts that I have used for 25-30 years, that I know Tour Pros use, but I NEVER HEAR amateurs using the same tactic on their putter shafts. When I was a rules official for the Future's Tour ( Think the LPGA's version of the Korn Ferry Tour.), I spent a lot of time with Lady Golf Pros on the course, as well as off the course. I learned that many of the ladies were filling their putter shafts with salt. Then, before installing the putter grip, a few drops of water were put on top of the salt, which would make the salt partially shrink, crystalize, and become a solid. Then the player would refill the shaft with salt and drip water again. Soon it was as if the inside of the putter shaft was full of concrete. The primary function of the water drops on the salt was to solidify the crystals to comply with the rules regarding not having any moving parts in your putter. Interestingly, these days, I end up swapping out putter shafts every 4 or 5 years due to the shaft rusting from the inside out and eventually snapping in two. Having a bunch of weight in the shaft COMPLETELY changed the feel of the putter. In addition when the player had been drinking a bit too much the previous night, or week, having the extra heavy putter shaft would eliminate the micro effects of having the hand shakes. For alcoholics the heavier putter shaft is more stable. A very heavy shaft has a completely different effect from swing weight changes or head weight changes with the putter. I strongly encourage you, when the opportunity presents itself , to give the salt shaft a go round. You just might find out, like I did, that you love what it does to the putter feel.
I'm a doubter - the putter-head only moves a couple of inches so any straight shaft would do the same job. Perhaps it's lighter, for a different feel, but you can do the same with any shaft by gripping lower down. I find the most important part of the putter is the material the putter-head is made from, as this determines the amount of 'spring' when the ball leaves the face.
I use the LA golf bel air X, got it on a killer deal. Anyway I found it improved my accuracy 15+ ft out. Within 10-15 ft it’s a slight improvement but those long puts I find myself hitting it so much better, but within a few feet it’s no benefit noticed
I agree with a lot of things you’re saying but will say I’ve tried several different putters by many brands and I do putt the best with my Scotty Cameron Newport 2 plus. I’ve owned about 15 putters this year from Odessey, TaylorMade, LAB golf, ping and a few Scotty models and that one putter happened to work the best for me. Thanks for your content guys.
I found, in a garage sale, a putter made by Golfology named the Octagon. It is very heavy due to a solid steel shaft. I had the shaft extended about 8". It is the most accurate putter I've ever used. BTW my average is 27.8
Ok, so heres my experience with getting fit for clubs. Ive been fit twice, the first time was at Golf Augusta in Southern Pines for Irons, went in looking at the new Titleist T-series irons as I played the AP2s and ended up buying a set of JPX919s with KBS C-taper shafts as I broke the shaft in my AP2s 7 Iron while warming up to get a baseline to start from. In the end there was very little difference between the 2 sets of irons, the JPXs were a little longer and a lot cheaper and felt just as good to me, so i went with the Mizunos and really love them. My Second experience was not as good in the end, I was looking to replace my driver, a Titleist 915 and wanted to get an upgraded shaft in whatever Driver I ended up buying. I went to Club Champion in Cary NC for this, it was a good experience in the fitting, hit multiple heads, and then went on to try multiple shafts in the head that was best for me. Well the last shaft I tried was a Fujikura Ventus Blue and I hit 5 shots with it and was getting really great numbers, on the 6th swing I broke the shaft during the swing, the fitter said he'd never seen anything like that before. I told him Ive broken several driver shafts 2 Adila Rogues that came in the Titleist and that breaking this shaft had me concerned that the $400 upgrade was going to get broke and I'd be out that money. After I was assured that it would be replaced if I broke it, I got it and 3 months later broke it. Needless to say they did not replace it. So I was out $400. I think the fitting process is a good thing, but Im not sure about the upcharge on these shafts. I currently have a HZRDUS shaft I bought off Ebay and its been working as good without an issue, price $128.
I put a 30 dollar Maltby pure track putter shaft onto my putter and love the added weight and stability. My putting and consistency is better than ever and I have not practiced nor played often this year to say it was anything else.
I’ve got armlock SIK putter with the thick LA Golf shaft. I find amazing consistency but was just as consistent with the shaft during the fitting. I wanted the upgrade but can’t say that the shaft is better than the tech in SIK with double wide blade.
I've got an LA Golf shaft in my LAB Mezz XL putter and I have some driver shafts and I love them. Also just got some new wedges with BGT ZNE shafts that I will be testing out today and if it goes well I'm thinking of Frankensteining some one length irons with them.
I personally use a Scotty Cameron Select M1. The feel is phenomenal. I have in the past used Ping Anser, Odyssey and a fair few others. The shaft for me is not something I would be bothered about unlike iron shafts where I need a certain bend point and obviously stability. It's the same with the driver and the other clubs, we all want what is best for our swing. Having a flashy shaft in the LA is for me merely a gimmick to be different from the more famous putters. Just because Bryson, Johnson and the LPGA player says it's a must have doesn't make it a must have, only their opinions. No surprise that the LA on one of their models looks like the original ping, the semi mallet looks like my Scotty. I would be more worried about the grip than the shaft
Like everyone I went through 1-2 putters a year. You see ads, UA-cam reviews, what players use what putters seem to drain the most putts on TV. For me had hit a Scotty Cameron Futura X7m several years ago in a golf shop, but could not afford the club. Would look online occasionally but could never find one at a decent price. Finally found a used one, cut it to 33", and used the suggested weights for the length. Money. Has been the most consistent putter I have ever bagged. Average less than one 3 putt a round. Two putt everything and one putt 3-4 holes a round.
I don't know if it was mentioned or if I've jumped the gun, but LA Golf got their start by buying out Matrix golf shafts and their patents. I still use Matrix shafts in a couple of my hybrids and a fairway wood.
There is a nice mod everyone can do to their putter shafts. Fill the shaft with epoxy resin, add powder steel to the resin. Lay the shaft while the epoxy cures in this position , top side of shaft on top so that steel power settles down and the weight is in the lower half of the shaft 😊😊
The shaft of a putter doesn't matter for anything other than feel, it isn't swung hard enough to make a difference. Putting is feel, the type of head & toe hang/balance
Recently Had a putter fitting where loft and lie were tweaked and replacement Paul Hurrion shaft into my existing Piretti putter. Fraction of the price of a new scotty etc.
Evnroll with its variable milled face, is ahead tech wise. So even if these are made of Unicorn horn, fancy shafts and carbon heads aren't gonna get you up with Evnroll and Mr Rife.
Steel is always going to be the most consistent for shafts and that includes putters although there isn't going to be much of a difference since there's no swing speed involved with a putter. I would say the difference would be pretty much negligible at best.
i have the sik blade armlock putter in the bryson graphite shaft spec 41inches, i also had the exact same putter with a steel shaft. its night and day the graphite shaft is much more stable with no flex or torque
Twice as big of a sweet spot? Maybe in terms of feel, but then its less feedback for off-center hits as any material is going to have deflection if you hit it off-center of its mass. Adding mass/weight can reduce the deflection but you can do that with any material. It seems like an unnecessary material unless you like its feel enough to pay for it.
I swapped my $400 Ping putter which felt that it had a floppy shaft to a $175 Cleveland putter with a stiff shaft. This change stopped me whipping the putter and missing to the right.
IMO putting is down to the individuals ability not the putter they are using...An expensive putter will not make a bad putter good...I've played with people who have used old putters cheap putters and were good at putting (there are those who must have the best....but normally it doesn't match their ability) I've seen people who never line the ball up to hole or startline for breaking putts and whose lag putting isn't good 6ft short or 6ft past so an expensive putter certainly won't improve their putts made...Like most parts of golf it's down to confidence(only moreso in putting )as target is much smaller.....
To anyone who says putter shaft doesn’t matter, I urge you to try a PING Heppler Ketsch, the shaft is like cooked spaghetti, very bizarre user experience, lasted about a week in the bag.
@@back9films I definitely agree with you that some putters do feel better. I get used to the one I'm using rather quickly and there's no problem. Cheers.
I think you misread that. It was about the deflection of the shaft on longer putts not, longer putters. This whole thing isn't quite true. There have been alot of different kinds of putters and shafts. All types of materials have been used too. It's marketing, you've got to get your name out there some how.
All true golfers know YOU DRIVE FOR SHOW, PUTT. FOR D OUGH. That's a fact jack. Any PGA player who has won did so by making the pressure putts, not driving the ball 350 yards!! Great idea ùsing carbon shaft wonder if they have a patent. I hope all the other. Manufactors come out with one or 2 carbon shafts to bring the price down
Yeah im going to need to see some hard hard numbers to prove a shaft makes that big of a difference in a putter. Not buying it, literally and figuratively .
If it's a carbon head, if the carbon if damaged it becomes very fragile and weak and chances are repairing it to the original standard tolerances are zero.
As someone who works with carbon and metal tubes its all a load of rubbish. There's nothing a £2 steel shaft can't do what a £2-300 carbon putter shaft can. You simply dont generate the forces to need it. Your hands will give away more head torque than a shaft ever will. Sweet spots are only ever the same size in every single product you can think off. It's impossible to have a 'larger sweetspot'.
LA Golf is NOT the first company to do this!!! BGT was the very first company to focus solely on the putter shaft and their new TOUR One shaft is actually better than the LA Golf shaft. Do some research before y’all just start spewing nonsense to people.
Please stop "bigging up" the likes of DeChambeau. The guy has zero integrity. I very much enjoy your golf tips channel Alex, but this type of content is really going to hurt your image and main channel.
*Thoughts on this putter? This shaft? Would you consider it?*
I have an MCA MMT 135 Proto... It's just so much smoother and the swing weighting is heavier...
In a word "No" I'm not playing for money ....and putting is all in your head....
Enjoyed the chat very much very informative.
I endorse everything that L.A.Golf are doing. I personally was always a below average putter, so 20 odd years ago I designed and marketed a broom handle Glass headed putter the feel was phenomenol compared to steel so soft, 4 European Senior tournaments were won with it over a 12 month period Bob Charles the New zealand left hander who was recognised as one of the great putters of the 60's was quoted as saying this is the best feeling putter I have ever struck.
So as for LA Golf I personally trake my hat off to them we may all be using these putters in a year or two. Remember we went from HICKORY to STEEL to AlUMINIUM back to STEELthen to GRAPHITE and STEEL.The evoloution of golf clubs I think it is great.
Ok, let's learn a couple of things about putter shafts from Tour Players of the Past.
First, players should understand that historically, a Club Repair Pro would use whatever shaft was available and put that shaft into putters.
With only minimal weight differences, minimal outside diameter differences between driver shafts and wedge shafts, and The material and flex of putter shafts were completely ignored as it was agreed that we didn't strike the ball hard enough with the putter to have shaft flex have any effect whatsoever.
We didn't care if it was steel or titanium or graphite. The consensus was that there was no difference in between the putter shafts installed.
Now, I will share a secret about putter shafts that I have used for 25-30 years, that I know Tour Pros use, but I NEVER HEAR amateurs using the same tactic on their putter shafts.
When I was a rules official for the Future's Tour ( Think the LPGA's version of the Korn Ferry Tour.), I spent a lot of time with Lady Golf Pros on the course, as well as off the course.
I learned that many of the ladies were filling their putter shafts with salt. Then, before installing the putter grip, a few drops of water were put on top of the salt, which would make the salt partially shrink, crystalize, and become a solid. Then the player would refill the shaft with salt and drip water again. Soon it was as if the inside of the putter shaft was full of concrete.
The primary function of the water drops on the salt was to solidify the crystals to comply with the rules regarding not having any moving parts in your putter.
Interestingly, these days, I end up swapping out putter shafts every 4 or 5 years due to the shaft rusting from the inside out and eventually snapping in two.
Having a bunch of weight in the shaft COMPLETELY changed the feel of the putter. In addition when the player had been drinking a bit too much the previous night, or week, having the extra heavy putter shaft would eliminate the micro effects of having the hand shakes. For alcoholics the heavier putter shaft is more stable.
A very heavy shaft has a completely different effect from swing weight changes or head weight changes with the putter.
I strongly encourage you, when the opportunity presents itself , to give the salt shaft a go round.
You just might find out, like I did, that you love what it does to the putter feel.
I'm a doubter - the putter-head only moves a couple of inches so any straight shaft would do the same job. Perhaps it's lighter, for a different feel, but you can do the same with any shaft by gripping lower down. I find the most important part of the putter is the material the putter-head is made from, as this determines the amount of 'spring' when the ball leaves the face.
I use the LA golf bel air X, got it on a killer deal. Anyway I found it improved my accuracy 15+ ft out. Within 10-15 ft it’s a slight improvement but those long puts I find myself hitting it so much better, but within a few feet it’s no benefit noticed
I agree with a lot of things you’re saying but will say I’ve tried several different putters by many brands and I do putt the best with my Scotty Cameron Newport 2 plus. I’ve owned about 15 putters this year from Odessey, TaylorMade, LAB golf, ping and a few Scotty models and that one putter happened to work the best for me. Thanks for your content guys.
I found, in a garage sale, a putter made by Golfology named the Octagon. It is very heavy due to a solid steel shaft. I had the shaft extended about 8". It is the most accurate putter I've ever used. BTW my average is 27.8
Ok, so heres my experience with getting fit for clubs. Ive been fit twice, the first time was at Golf Augusta in Southern Pines for Irons, went in looking at the new Titleist T-series irons as I played the AP2s and ended up buying a set of JPX919s with KBS C-taper shafts as I broke the shaft in my AP2s 7 Iron while warming up to get a baseline to start from. In the end there was very little difference between the 2 sets of irons, the JPXs were a little longer and a lot cheaper and felt just as good to me, so i went with the Mizunos and really love them. My Second experience was not as good in the end, I was looking to replace my driver, a Titleist 915 and wanted to get an upgraded shaft in whatever Driver I ended up buying. I went to Club Champion in Cary NC for this, it was a good experience in the fitting, hit multiple heads, and then went on to try multiple shafts in the head that was best for me. Well the last shaft I tried was a Fujikura Ventus Blue and I hit 5 shots with it and was getting really great numbers, on the 6th swing I broke the shaft during the swing, the fitter said he'd never seen anything like that before. I told him Ive broken several driver shafts 2 Adila Rogues that came in the Titleist and that breaking this shaft had me concerned that the $400 upgrade was going to get broke and I'd be out that money. After I was assured that it would be replaced if I broke it, I got it and 3 months later broke it. Needless to say they did not replace it. So I was out $400. I think the fitting process is a good thing, but Im not sure about the upcharge on these shafts. I currently have a HZRDUS shaft I bought off Ebay and its been working as good without an issue, price $128.
I put a 30 dollar Maltby pure track putter shaft onto my putter and love the added weight and stability. My putting and consistency is better than ever and I have not practiced nor played often this year to say it was anything else.
I’ve got armlock SIK putter with the thick LA Golf shaft. I find amazing consistency but was just as consistent with the shaft during the fitting. I wanted the upgrade but can’t say that the shaft is better than the tech in SIK with double wide blade.
I've got an LA Golf shaft in my LAB Mezz XL putter and I have some driver shafts and I love them. Also just got some new wedges with BGT ZNE shafts that I will be testing out today and if it goes well I'm thinking of Frankensteining some one length irons with them.
Great vid, i would buy one. Just a note, there was an echo from the mics on this vid.
I'd consider it. Currently using the "Gotta Golf" Stingray that has a composite shaft. It\s great!
I personally use a Scotty Cameron Select M1. The feel is phenomenal. I have in the past used Ping Anser, Odyssey and a fair few others. The shaft for me is not something I would be bothered about unlike iron shafts where I need a certain bend point and obviously stability. It's the same with the driver and the other clubs, we all want what is best for our swing. Having a flashy shaft in the LA is for me merely a gimmick to be different from the more famous putters. Just because Bryson, Johnson and the LPGA player says it's a must have doesn't make it a must have, only their opinions. No surprise that the LA on one of their models looks like the original ping, the semi mallet looks like my Scotty. I would be more worried about the grip than the shaft
The companies that make shafts think putter shafts are very important. Robot testing could easily prove (or disprove) this, but nobody does it.
Like everyone I went through 1-2 putters a year. You see ads, UA-cam reviews, what players use what putters seem to drain the most putts on TV. For me had hit a Scotty Cameron Futura X7m several years ago in a golf shop, but could not afford the club. Would look online occasionally but could never find one at a decent price. Finally found a used one, cut it to 33", and used the suggested weights for the length. Money. Has been the most consistent putter I have ever bagged. Average less than one 3 putt a round. Two putt everything and one putt 3-4 holes a round.
I don't know if it was mentioned or if I've jumped the gun, but LA Golf got their start by buying out Matrix golf shafts and their patents. I still use Matrix shafts in a couple of my hybrids and a fairway wood.
Put a Malibu putter in my bag 3 weeks ago and my handicap has dropped 4 shots. New confidence in my putting stroke now.
There is a nice mod everyone can do to their putter shafts. Fill the shaft with epoxy resin, add powder steel to the resin. Lay the shaft while the epoxy cures in this position , top side of shaft on top so that steel power settles down and the weight is in the lower half of the shaft 😊😊
The one club you have to use on every hole . Every golfer is told putting is by far the most important part of golf
Speak for yourself. I chip in at least once a round. 😎
The shaft of a putter doesn't matter for anything other than feel, it isn't swung hard enough to make a difference. Putting is feel, the type of head & toe hang/balance
Exactly
LAB is one of those anti establishment companies that did well. Mezz max been hot in the tour. Got me looking at centre shaft putters.
I'm more likely to get a Lab putter then an LA Golf putter... Mezz for me...
Ok. I draw the line with this. All hype
Recently Had a putter fitting where loft and lie were tweaked and replacement Paul Hurrion shaft into my existing Piretti putter.
Fraction of the price of a new scotty etc.
Evnroll with its variable milled face, is ahead tech wise. So even if these are made of Unicorn horn, fancy shafts and carbon heads aren't gonna get you up with Evnroll and Mr Rife.
I find as long I like the way the head looks and grip feels I don’t mind the shaft in the putter
I don’t know how the shaft matters at that swing speed. Perhaps the weight of the shaft in relation to the club head. I guess I never considered it
UST has come out with a shaft with these principles in mind, at a reasonable price. BGT and KBS has higher end shafts too.
Steel is always going to be the most consistent for shafts and that includes putters although there isn't going to be much of a difference since there's no swing speed involved with a putter. I would say the difference would be pretty much negligible at best.
i have the sik blade armlock putter in the bryson graphite shaft spec 41inches, i also had the exact same putter with a steel shaft. its night and day the graphite shaft is much more stable with no flex or torque
Twice as big of a sweet spot? Maybe in terms of feel, but then its less feedback for off-center hits as any material is going to have deflection if you hit it off-center of its mass. Adding mass/weight can reduce the deflection but you can do that with any material. It seems like an unnecessary material unless you like its feel enough to pay for it.
I think siad, is spelled said.
need the science behind the shaft. I just can't imagine the shaft making that big a difference in the putting stroke.
I swapped my $400 Ping putter which felt that it had a floppy shaft to a $175 Cleveland putter with a stiff shaft. This change stopped me whipping the putter and missing to the right.
Tell me on putts you can feel floppy?
My Cobra Vintage Nova 40 putter has a Sik DLT face.
I'd get one. I need to get a lot better first, but I'd get one.
IMO putting is down to the individuals ability not the putter they are using...An expensive putter will not make a bad putter good...I've played with people who have used old putters cheap putters and were good at putting (there are those who must have the best....but normally it doesn't match their ability) I've seen people who never line the ball up to hole or startline for breaking putts and whose lag putting isn't good 6ft short or 6ft past so an expensive putter certainly won't improve their putts made...Like most parts of golf it's down to confidence(only moreso in putting )as target is much smaller.....
To anyone who says putter shaft doesn’t matter, I urge you to try a PING Heppler Ketsch, the shaft is like cooked spaghetti, very bizarre user experience, lasted about a week in the bag.
If you are trying off brand putters, you should try an eqlizer by NXO GOLF
I can putt with any putter, as long as it's left handed. Even a cheap putt putt (mini golf) putter. I don't see the fuss?
I see where you are coming from, but i have to say certain putters have definitely felt better for me
@@back9films I definitely agree with you that some putters do feel better. I get used to the one I'm using rather quickly and there's no problem. Cheers.
This will be such a minimum difference that only tour players can feel
I think you misread that. It was about the deflection of the shaft on longer putts not, longer putters. This whole thing isn't quite true. There have been alot of different kinds of putters and shafts. All types of materials have been used too. It's marketing, you've got to get your name out there some how.
Good putters can putt with a broomstick.
I would buy the shafts. Parting with my Spider EX is a no!
Its unfortunate that LA golf really doesn't make anything for the normal or average golfer.
All true golfers know YOU DRIVE FOR SHOW, PUTT. FOR D OUGH. That's a fact jack. Any PGA player who has won did so by making the pressure putts, not driving the ball 350 yards!! Great idea ùsing carbon shaft wonder if they have a patent. I hope all the other. Manufactors come out with one or 2 carbon shafts to bring the price down
Someone once said that the Freddy Couples after he boomed a drive and his reply was "No, you drive for Dough and putt for MORE Dough"
The LA putters in the golf stores to me they feel terrible and they can’t sell them! They are even giving away a dozen LA golf balls.
Yeah im going to need to see some hard hard numbers to prove a shaft makes that big of a difference in a putter. Not buying it, literally and figuratively .
If it's a carbon head, if the carbon if damaged it becomes very fragile and weak and chances are repairing it to the original standard tolerances are zero.
Engineer the product to satisfy the intended use, anything more is just an inefficient exercise in over engineering.
$2500 for a Putter??????????
As someone who works with carbon and metal tubes its all a load of rubbish. There's nothing a £2 steel shaft can't do what a £2-300 carbon putter shaft can. You simply dont generate the forces to need it. Your hands will give away more head torque than a shaft ever will.
Sweet spots are only ever the same size in every single product you can think off. It's impossible to have a 'larger sweetspot'.
Putter tech is a joke! Practice more.
You should all know that it's not the putter it's the player it's BS a Distraction.
LA Golf is NOT the first company to do this!!! BGT was the very first company to focus solely on the putter shaft and their new TOUR One shaft is actually better than the LA Golf shaft. Do some research before y’all just start spewing nonsense to people.
Sounds like another way to make ridiculous amounts of money.
Please stop "bigging up" the likes of DeChambeau. The guy has zero integrity.
I very much enjoy your golf tips channel Alex, but this type of content is really going to hurt your image and main channel.
WHo broken your hymen
Hater!
I have a Scotty Cameron and still putt like chit 😂😂🏌🏻♀️