Nice work and well made video. Thank you for sharing this. That is a very unique desktop milling machine. I have never seen such a precision bench grinder. Nice equip!
Hi Bart, good to see you back, hope you are well. I like your trouble-shooting philosophy...improvise, adapt and overcome...or just use a big elastic band!! I think we've all got a box of elastic bands somewhere. Looking forward to seeing the sander finished. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work. 👍🖖
Great video and you have a very nice shop from what I can see. I had a similar issue with my shaper. I drilled and tapped the clapper box, put a stud with a spring and a washer on it to keep the clapper down and it’s adjustable so your not dragging the tool on the return stroke too badly. Seems to work well, and again great video. 😬👍Eddie wheels 🧑🏻🦽
Great to follow a video of someone who has a similar home machine shop setup. My Sixis S101 is less versatile than your Hommel UWG2, however they share (probably) a similar motor leading to some similar machining limitations. Instead of a Schaublin 102, I have a DIXI lathe from the 1940's. I haven't yet a shaper. Sooner or later. Nice video.
Hi,Bart. Nice job on the keyway cutting bar. Your inner tube spring is a cool quick fix but it would be pretty straight forward to add a couple of 1/4" threaded holes at the upper edge of the clapper block and bolt a flat strip to mount a compression coil spring. I also have an Alba 1A and my clapper block has a grub screw on one side face to lock the clapper down solid for keyway cutting operations.
Hi Bart, Thanks for for a great video. It's interesting to see the different machine tools you use, that Hommel is something I have never seen before, it looks very versatile! Nice to see the tool/cutter grinder in use, you have inspired me to get on and turn my set of Quorn castings into a working machine. I have the prewar version of the Alba 1A, it doesn't have the table support, but has powered horizontal and vertical table travel. I'd really appreciate a copy of any documentation you have for the Alba. I'll email you on the address you have listed below. Cheers Paul in NZ
@@bartharkemametalworks2299 turn the tool upside down and cut the keyway at the top rather than the bottom!-old trick for not locking the clapper box! -nice video!
Hi Bart, I'm now in the design phase for making a keyway cutting tool for my Alba 1A, I need it for an upcoming project. Thanks for showing the page from that catalog, the picture of the factory one is very helpful. Where did you find an accessory catalog for the Albas? It would be cool to see what else was available for them (which would need making now as we can't buy them!) Thanks for sharing this one!
Hi, If you send me a e-mail to bartharkema at g mail dot com. I can send you the documents that I have. If you are making your own keyway cutter, consider making a solid one without the clapperbox. I think that would work better. But it also depends on the flex of the tool. I had a little post about this on practical machinist forum: www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/keyway-cutting-alba-1a-shaper-question-371838/
Hi, I just bought such a machine :) Almost a week has been standing still not unloaded from the car :( Regards from Poland , Paweł. P.S. What I could, I left on your interesting channel;)
@@bartharkemametalworks2299 i think there is supposed to be a grubscrew that locks the clapper box. i took the clapper box off and made a rigid toolholder
I have heard of waited clapper boxes but honestly I think a Spring loaded clapper Box works better, Not to mention you can adjust his attention that way.
on my shaper i can lock the clapper box but when i do it drags the tool over the work and the tool looses its edge very quickly......what you did with the inner tube might be a bit primitive but it certainly worked ...i think you are onto something...it just needs refining
Ik vermoed U bent nederlander of vlaming? Indien niet ga ik verder in het engels. Nice job, but one comment, at a shaper don't pour cutting oil on the workpiece, the cutter scrapes it off, pour your oil on top of the cutter and it will slowly dribble down between the cutter and the workpiece.
Bart, misschien is de toolholder wat aan de lange kant, maar soms heb je die lengte wel nodig. En dan zijn er binnenbanden genoeg😂. Je ging frezen met de Hommel, maareuhh, hoe zit dat dat nou met de schaublin 13?
You need a fix clapper box , or drill a hole in the side and tap it ( some have the hole from factory) else it jumps and don't cut , because you are to close to the swirling point and don't have lavrige to cheap it for jumping. The "normal" tool is much more down and far from swirling point . ( hope my English is correct)
Thanks for the explanation. I also had I little discussion on the Practical Machinist forum. I understand it now a little bit better. Only thing I don't understand is that the manual shows almost the same tool in the clapperbox. But I will make a solid holder in the future.
Nice work and well made video. Thank you for sharing this. That is a very unique desktop milling machine. I have never seen such a precision bench grinder. Nice equip!
Thanks. The milling machine is a Hommel UWG2. Realy nice toolroom machine.
I've always cut keyway when my tool is in an upward position to eliminate tool jumps and drop off the chips. Thanks for the video.
Great techniques going on there and excellent result.
Nice work. I am about to cut a tool tip to cut a 6 spline keyway. Learned a lot from your video. Thank you.
Always a pleasure watching you, and I really like your low cost solutions :-) Great work
Hi Bart, good to see you back, hope you are well. I like your trouble-shooting philosophy...improvise, adapt and overcome...or just use a big elastic band!! I think we've all got a box of elastic bands somewhere. Looking forward to seeing the sander finished. Thanks for sharing. Stay safe and keep up the good work. 👍🖖
really like that you came back
nice job on that and the finish looks good on the bore
Great video and you have a very nice shop from what I can see. I had a similar issue with my shaper. I drilled and tapped the clapper box, put a stud with a spring and a washer on it to keep the clapper down and it’s adjustable so your not dragging the tool on the return stroke too badly. Seems to work well, and again great video. 😬👍Eddie wheels 🧑🏻🦽
Thanks. I thought about that but didn't want to drill in the machine parts. I will make a solid box to hold the tools in the future.
You have some realy serius machins!!! Nice work👍👍👍
Thanks!
Great to follow a video of someone who has a similar home machine shop setup. My Sixis S101 is less versatile than your Hommel UWG2, however they share (probably) a similar motor leading to some similar machining limitations. Instead of a Schaublin 102, I have a DIXI lathe from the 1940's. I haven't yet a shaper. Sooner or later. Nice video.
Thanks. Sound like a nice shop. The shaper is my cheapest machine but a lot of fun to use.
Hello Bart, Like the machine tools you have, we in the Western side of the world accustom see the American machinery.
very nice!!! Thanks for sharing.. Clever idea with the inner tube :)
Hi,Bart. Nice job on the keyway cutting bar. Your inner tube spring is a cool quick fix but it would be pretty straight forward to add a couple of 1/4" threaded holes at the upper edge of the clapper block and bolt a flat strip to mount a compression coil spring. I also have an Alba 1A and my clapper block has a grub screw on one side face to lock the clapper down solid for keyway cutting operations.
Thanks, I think I will upgrade the Clapper box in the future with a set screw or make a fixed holder.
Excellent design and manufacture, thanks for sharing.
Thanks
Hi Bart, Thanks for for a great video.
It's interesting to see the different machine tools you use, that Hommel is something I have never seen before, it looks very versatile!
Nice to see the tool/cutter grinder in use, you have inspired me to get on and turn my set of Quorn castings into a working machine.
I have the prewar version of the Alba 1A, it doesn't have the table support, but has powered horizontal and vertical table travel.
I'd really appreciate a copy of any documentation you have for the Alba. I'll email you on the address you have listed below.
Cheers Paul in NZ
Nice job. We posted this video in our homemade tools forum this week :)
Ahhh! Another Bart Video! Bart you never disappoint. Thank you.
I was thinking wrap a bungie around it and poof, cycle inner tube. Very nice problem-solving!
Nice job, nice machines! How bout flipping the cutter upside down ..
...at 17:42 .....the inner tube idea....awesome....! Thanks .
Love the innertube idea
Thanks. It's not stupid if it works 😁. But I do want to find a better solution.
@@bartharkemametalworks2299 turn the tool upside down and cut the keyway at the top rather than the bottom!-old trick for not locking the clapper box! -nice video!
Hi Bart, I'm now in the design phase for making a keyway cutting tool for my Alba 1A, I need it for an upcoming project. Thanks for showing the page from that catalog, the picture of the factory one is very helpful. Where did you find an accessory catalog for the Albas? It would be cool to see what else was available for them (which would need making now as we can't buy them!) Thanks for sharing this one!
Hi, If you send me a e-mail to bartharkema at g mail dot com. I can send you the documents that I have. If you are making your own keyway cutter, consider making a solid one without the clapperbox. I think that would work better. But it also depends on the flex of the tool. I had a little post about this on practical machinist forum: www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/antique-machinery-and-history/keyway-cutting-alba-1a-shaper-question-371838/
Great Job! and unique use of a inner tube, love it.
Hi, I just bought such a machine :)
Almost a week has been standing still not unloaded from the car :(
Regards from Poland , Paweł.
P.S.
What I could, I left on your interesting channel;)
The type of toolpost you showed early in the video is known as a "lantern toolpost".
Thanks, didn't know that 👍
Nice job, yes the clapper needs to be ridged when cutting a key way.
Thank you. Do you know why it needs to be ridged? I can't understand why.... And the manual shows a tool just like mine in the clapperbox.
@@bartharkemametalworks2299 i think there is supposed to be a grubscrew that locks the clapper box. i took the clapper box off and made a rigid toolholder
@@jasonharman5083 thanks. On this machine there is no screw to fix the Clapper box so I will make a solid toolholder in the future.
I have heard of waited clapper boxes but honestly I think a Spring loaded clapper Box works better, Not to mention you can adjust his attention that way.
Aqui eu uso a ferramento cortando a parte superior da peça, pra evitar esse problema.
Mr you are a very nice idoia
on my shaper i can lock the clapper box but when i do it drags the tool over the work and the tool looses its edge very quickly......what you did with the inner tube might be a bit primitive but it certainly worked ...i think you are onto something...it just needs refining
Thanks. I think a spring with adjustable tension would work very good as a mechanism. A lock for the clapper would be nice to have too.
Don’t you just love how every single project causes 236 other projects in the process.....
Yes, and your making tools to make the tools because you want to make some tools..
Barts Metalwork On the upside, it guarantees video content!
Were did you get the manual for the shaper? I have a Elliott m10 shaper, would like a manual for it. Thanks for the video
Found it online. But if you send me an email I'll send it back. Bartharkema at G mail dot com.
Nice work.
Ik vermoed U bent nederlander of vlaming? Indien niet ga ik verder in het engels. Nice job, but one comment, at a shaper don't pour cutting oil on the workpiece, the cutter scrapes it off, pour your oil on top of the cutter and it will slowly dribble down between the cutter and the workpiece.
Bart, misschien is de toolholder wat aan de lange kant, maar soms heb je die lengte wel nodig.
En dan zijn er binnenbanden genoeg😂. Je ging frezen met de Hommel, maareuhh, hoe zit dat dat nou met de schaublin 13?
BartGuuten Tag Put Tool in so cutter is pointing upwards Then tool bar wont deflect. simple eh?
Wie immer eine sehr gute Arbeit von dir. 👍👍👍☺
If you turned your toolbar 180° to cut the top instead of the bottom, it might work bottom.
You need a fix clapper box , or drill a hole in the side and tap it ( some have the hole from factory) else it jumps and don't cut , because you are to close to the swirling point and don't have lavrige to cheap it for jumping. The "normal" tool is much more down and far from swirling point . ( hope my English is correct)
Thanks for the explanation. I also had I little discussion on the Practical Machinist forum. I understand it now a little bit better. Only thing I don't understand is that the manual shows almost the same tool in the clapperbox. But I will make a solid holder in the future.
Barts Metalwork not all that you see in the books is Appliable in real life. Some are written by writers not by machinist
Cut the keyway in the top of the pulley 🙂
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What is the name of the machine to cut the key way?
It is called shaper