President Trump: How & Why...
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2016
- Pie thinks he knows who is to blame for the rise of Trump...and you're not going to like it!
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6 minutes of verbally having some sense slapped into me. Jesus... what did I turn into in the last few days. Fuck.
d/w we all felt the same way (i was the same during brexit and I became very condescending ...and had to really apologise to a close friend who was pro brexit who really meant well but I suppose felt that working class was'nt represented by the left anymore, and in some ways... he's kind of right, at least about representation..) just have to self reflect and think of a more effective way of engaging people who we disagree with. (totally agreed with how you delt with gamergate btw I defo know you can be capable of level-headed debate.. I am mean you talked to people like king of pol, internet aristocrat and fucking roguestar games when it all kicked off and came out cool as a cucumber despite some of their... unique views...)
You didn't turn into anything. You were always like this, you and your leftist cronies. Smug, condescending, holier than thou bullies. After all those years, you've finally lost, and it feels so good to finally fire back.
so the backsliding is beginning on cue
+Петр Петров You don't even know who you're talking to, do you?
I would say to have be the prettiest prettiest princess again (or something similar) to make it all up to Genna.. Nah just kidding ;) It is nice to see that you are getting a clear head again!
A British guy understands it better than our entire US media.
Nicole Williams Hmmmmm! Right on!🗣
because it isnt just happening in america but everywhere in the west which is why the right are taking back control.
- MAINSTREAM IS DEAD IT NO LONGER SERVES A FUNCTION
Nicole Williams
US media was never meant to be understood
exactly
June 1, 2020: this video aged like the finest wine on Earth.
I have YET to hear a republican tell me wtf they have to offer the common man. I ask and all i get is "what do the dems have to offer!?" I didn't ask that. Or "to grow" Grow where? Up my ass? Because you can make a business anytime in most countries.
Trump was given a chance, he blew it. NEXT!
@@M3TALG0DS salty
Bullet Club for life
@@M3TALG0DS That is the whole problem, the choices you have are which of the 2 are least bad. What is needed is elections to be more than just a 2 horse race. Maybe then there will be some real change.
M3TALG0DS what are u talking about, better salaries/paychecks, less government regulation, more jobs, strong military, competition in the market, not letting social justice and diversity dictate every political move for the sake of it, rewards based on merit and not the color of ur skin, lower taxes, a protected country with strong borders, etc.
*Six years later this is all still absolutely true, and absolutely brilliant.*
....and Trump's gonna win in 2024...
@@adamguerrero5293 Yeah, followed by another 4 years of the media and democrats going off their nut. This gets tedious after a while.
@@petemarshall8094 Indeed
If anything they've gotten worse.
true, this aged very well
Totally on the money. Absolutely fantastic.
Sargon of Akkad thx for posting.
Put this in one of your videos
Sargon? I didn't know you watched Johnathon pie videos.
Sargon of Akkad I was wondering if you'd seen this yet, exactly the stuff you've been saying. I hope you mention Pie in a video.
He was spot on and applied nuance.
"being offended doesn't work anymore." fuck me, more people need to hear this and understand it.
The edible shoe ^^ this
For the most part it never really "worked". Like he said, people mostly just stopped discussing things. That's not "working", that's a chilling effect.
it did work. Trump supporters did it and he won.
+Lacke It's not really fair to assume that this was the only reason, although I think both sides saw a definite lift from anger-votes. But it can't be boiled down to anything that simple. No disrespect, but while it's not a harmful or derogatory position to take, that might still be taking the easy way out.
I'm from the year 2020. The Democrats are still making the same mistakes.
@Max Smith To be honest I think the polls being "wrong" is on purpose.
You don't think Sanders is too far left for the US? He certainly would have been more forceful and a better debater than Biden.
They haven't learned a fucking thing.
People have told pollsters that the reason they will vote for Biden is because 'He is not Donald Trump'. What does that tell us? Biden is another ineffective soft soap Democrat, and perhaps an even worst one than Hilary Clinton. I live in New Zealand (sad to say we now have 24 COVID deaths, but Trump still thinks the USA is doing a better job than we are) but if I was an American, I would vote for Biden but feel sad about it. I would definitely have voted for Bernie Sanders, and hoped for a miracle. Mean while, deep thinkers like@RapidFireReaper will apparently vote for Trump so they can own a bunch of automatic weapons, and fuck the important stuff.
@@TrevorDennis100 24 covid deaths and you think it is a pandemic? are you idiots this brainwashed when in the same time 2000 people have died from flu etc? what has happened to people ffs!?Trevor i am sad to say you maybe brainwashed!
Who’s watching this in 2020, thinking the same thing.
Me. There's really nothing to do. Either watch this or watch the world burn outside my window that Trump caused.
@@mactek6033 Watch the video again. Trump is a symptom and the Left is the disease. You can blame Democrats 100%!
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Trump himself may be vile, nasty and mean but, Democrat voters as a people are far worse and Trump is my reaction to their cult. It's not Trumps supporters burning, and looting Democrat cities in the name of a career criminal. We want law, order and above all justice and Trump did that on day one.
Mac Tek this melt down is the Democrats. Who wanted to lock down their states? Who tribes in the voting booth by diff demographics having a victim mentality. You’re not watching trumps America, you’re watching the melt down of the Democratic Party and attempt to completely change and reshape America
We haven't learned a damn thing. Detroit here, and now even people I know who voted Clinton in 2016 are voting for Trump in November. :(
Mac Tek bah it’s caused from Democrats melting down since he got elected.
I have proof what proof do you have?
This is so fucking incredible.
Chris Ray Gun I'm a fan!!
Oh, hi there iDubbbz.
Everybody loves Chris
Chris Ray Gun where's Tom Sweeney?
You give me life
Who the fuck is this guy and why haven't I heard of him before. I thought I was the only liberal that felt this way. Trump didn't win my vote, the left lost mine. And by the looks of it, my vote wasn't the only one they lost.
For the first time in my life as a liberal, I feel like my side no longer has the moral high ground. We fought for so long to become the majority and once we did, we went and did the same shit that we accused the right of doing. We demonized, lied, bullied, and belittled the other side because we could, and because it was our turn to dish out the pain.
We became the left's moral majority, the left's religious right, the left's tea party. In short we became hypocrites.
Don't get me wrong, just because the the left was wrong sure as Hell doesn't make you guys right. My complaint is that we started acting too much like nutty republicans.
We demonized and divided people. We judged people by the color of their skin and what was between their legs instead of their actions and the content of their character.
Theres also secular talk & dave rubin.
exactly, i'm ashamed to be part of left. just cuz people won't vote trump doesn't mean they'll vote hilary either.
To be fair, I don't think the nutjobs on social media crying about trigger warnings represent "the left" in government. There are extremes on both sides.
+JDiculous Yet groups like BLM and feminazis like Lena Dunham, Anita Sarkeesian, Laci Greene and Francesca Ramsey are given public platforms within mainstream media to spew their hateful, pseudo social science, gender studies rhetoric as if it is fact.
And why is it that it has seeped into our most prestigious Academic institutions and imposed limits on freedom of speech? Even our talk show hosts had no problem calling people sexist for not supporting Hillary or racist for wanting something done about illegal immigration.
CNN and BBC had no problem bringing racism, sexism and 'islamophobia' into the discussion at every opportunity with few representatives of opposing views that made sense. Canada will be passing a law soon making it illegal to misgender someone even if it's unintentional, British police investigating a guy for 'anti Muslim tweets', German police arresting a man for wearing a pig hat at a protest because it may be offensive to Muslims. Mandatory consent classes for male students on some university campuses, Campus staff being fired because they suggested that students can wear whatever costume they want on Halloween...
Whether you like it or not this is the mainstream left now and this is why America has a living meme for president.
Who else is watching this after Boris won in Redcar, Scunthorpe and Stoke?
The scunthorpe vote hurts me
wildsurfer12 as a guy from Boro and watching this after the Tory win, it scares me how true he is. And how because of this dismissal of conversation and explanation we push people away from what actually helps them.
And the 'left' still hasn't learned it's lesson. These constant political thrashings are not a support of right wing political policies. They're a rejection of the bullshit that has infected leftwing politics.
@@georgerichardson5246 You don't think that saying you know what's best for people is arrogant ?
@@ericgrace9995 it is a statistical fact that the tories have fucked the country
2016 - the year comedians became political experts and political experts became comedians
#HeimerDonger Political experts have always been comedians.
Politicians became satire.
Calling them comedians insinuates that they’re joking
Comedians have always been political pundits, all the way back to the Medieval court jesters, and before.
He's 100% correct. Believe it or not, he is making the exact same argument (regarding free speech, free exchange of ideas, and open and HONEST dialogue) that Milo Yiannopulous makes. They may be on opposite sides of the the ideological fence, but they share the same passion for open and honest debate. This is one of the best rants I've heard in a long time, although I count myself in Milo's camp, ideologically speaking.
Tj Weger I agree 💯 with what you said.
I'm seeing a lot more of this argument from some on the left who realize that the opposition silencing has come back to bite them in the ass. Here's a great piece today from the Daily Caller: dailycaller.com/2016/11/11/twilight-of-the-cultural-tastemakers/
Milo's actions rise to the level of harassment frequently. Having a right and having the good judgement to exercise it carefully are two different things.
Asteroid/Earth 2016 freedom of speech does not mean freedom from the consequences of using it. Just because you could say something, doesnt mean you necessarily should. You have every right to offend me, but if you do it in the wrong way dont be suprised if you get a smack in the kisser.
I belong to the left and has allways found it distasteful and horrid, if that counts for something. I'm also a norwegian, living in a country where people don't act that way, and where conversation and debate is still held in high regard.
As a Trump supporter if Liberals were like this I would not have a problem with them. In the past year not ONE liberal has talked to me in a civilized way to DISCUSS why their choice of Hillary was better than Trump.
So we elected Trump.
You miss the point if you're throwing labels around, likening all lefties to SJW idiots is akin to likening right wingers to racists, come on now, you're smarter than that.
Correct, the only argument I ever heard are: "are you kidding me? hes a racist and sexist!" Without naming any evidence except some insults to individual women (he also insulted men, so does he hate men?)
Haven't heard any real arguments from either side to be honest. Nobody was talking about any issues and all the focus was one the two candidates personal lives and attitudes, like they matter at all.
A president should promote the views of his party. Nothing more. A president's opinions may conflict with his party's views, but that shouldn't stop him from promoting these views. So please stop focusing on the person himself, because unless he's a dictator and goes against his own party, he doesn't run the country all by himself.
I'm not a liberal, pr. see, as I am a social democrat in a country where that term means something completely different. But I do belong to the left, and where I come from Hillary Clinton and the democratic party is anything but a left wing party.
Because when it comes down to it, left wing policies are mainly about economy and social security. I also live in a country where it's common for people to have friends across the political spectrum, where insults such as racist, sexist, sjw and libtard is rather uncommon.
And I'm not surprised at all that a demography where sallaries has been stagnant for 20 years under numerous democratic presidents, where the cost of health care has grown insanely high, where people struggle to keep their house and food on the table might not bother to trust yet another candidate endorsed by the very people skimming the cream of their hard labour, while at the same time having to watch their jobs be moved overseas.
Especially not when the educated and well payed young people, the very people who actually benefit from capitalism is opposing it while shitting all over the same people who are victimised by it. Not at all.
So Devon Ziegler... Here I am, a social democrat, a person who you might see as a communist from your perspective, and I stand in solidarity with you. If I lived in the US, having to work my ass off for 12 hours a day in order to survive, I would have probably voted for Trump as well.
Hillary wouldn't have changed much, but neiher will Trump. You had a shot this election, I honestly do believe that Sanders could have made a difference. In addition, he also pointed out that he WOULDN'T be able to perform miracles, and that he needed the support of both the house and senate in order to make any changes. He didn't promise much, because he knew the limitations that are in place, but what he did promise he would have fought for.
The working class used to be the backbone of the democratic party, now they have rebelled as the democratic party has failed them. Trump won't change that. Your enemy isn't blacks, hispanics, illegal immigrants or among those lines. Your enemy is the very corporations who is reaping the benefits of your hard labour. The ones that get rich on your backs, the ones that exploits your labour, and whom increasingly has figured out that they can earn even more by exploiting people in third world countries for even less money.
I stand in solidarity with the american, hard working people. I think it is about time that your labour is valued for what it is. I think it is about time that you can live comfortable lives without having to worry about forclosure, health care bills or the education of your children. About time you don't have to worry about your future.
Greetings from Norway, and from a libtard that was not with her.
Asteroid/Earth 2016 I've lost a 6 years old friendship because I said to a friend that I supported Trump, American friends were fucking afraid to loose their jobs or social life or their places in university if they admitted that they would vote for Trump.
Their was simply no dialogue possible the left was simply a huge bully who silenced any other views and opinions with -ist and other -phobic and whine enough to literally kill somone life/income/future if they dared to not follow the mass like a brainless sheep.
I'm fucking GLAD that America got redpilled and slapped the regressive left with a wake up call.
It's all got even worse since he made this video. They haven't learned a thing.
I just discovered this channel and watched a bunch of his vids. He literally could have posted this yesterday! Nothing has changed, same attitudes, same mistakes. .... same results!
Let liberal cities fail!
"They haven't learned a thing." You are faaaaar too kind. Instead of doing the introspection that they needed to do, they doubled down on all of the things that he attacks in his rant.
@@mgtow6683 so much for "love thy fellow man."
@@someperson9999 Fym?
They started this.
4 years ago: This is joy.
Now: This is still joy.
social justice warriors forced me to the right.
Then you are an idiot. You should not allow yourself be pushed around either to or from a position without a good factual reason.
***** Nah, I used to be the idiot. I'm glad the right introduced me to the principles of classical liberalism and capitalism. The left is not interested in debate and more concerned with identity politics. I've got no time for that.
Except Trumps policies is anti progression economically?
***** Trump is not a conservative
Ann Nguyen
Never said he was. I'm saying his policies is going to hurt America economically in the long run.
It's a shame this channel doesn't get enough attention.
I was looking for this comment! Shame! I love you Pie
it will
No it's not a shame. The numbers are just showing how many people are open minded enough to even watch or hear things like this. Stating it's a shame does not get us anywhere. Bring people here to watch this, and more like these vids. :)
The Facebook views are normally much higher. But UA-cam is much better.
Truth is often the hardest commodity to sell.
"Being offended doesn't work ANYMORE. Throwing insult doesn't work ANY.MORE!" Damn right! Insulting someone only shuts down the conversation but doesn't change the perspective of someone. It will only show that those who throw insults are not worthy of your time to argue.
Gonna save this in my personal note
I type this on September 5, 2022. What's your opinion now?
Bill Maher put it well in his "That's not Karma" segment: "The right response to speech you don't like is more speech."
Sounds like modern Trumpism to me!
I’m here after the 2019GE, and man, this has aged well
Lol I will revist this on Nevember should Trump get re-elected. After the Iowa Fiasco, I am guessing the dems will do to bernie EXACTLY what they did to him in 2016. I swear, the corporate DNC has got to be Trump's greatest ally.
Ray Zer exact same principle isn’t it? All I saw in my twitter feed during the election period was people insulting those who were voting Tory. It’s unbelievably pathetic.
Wow, as a conservative, it's a breath of fresh air to listen to him. As a 25 year old, this is the first liberal I've ever heard argue like an adult and argue philosophically. Usually they just insult us and and freak out (and then call us the bigots, ironically). I am glad to see there is at least one grownup liberal out there. Holy smokes!
People like him exist all over. It just depends on where you go.
On social media, because it's always a lowest common denominator cesspit, you'll always get hyperbole from all ends. People on the left are the regressive "everything offends me" type and people on the right are very much an "uneducation is my education" type. Both are terrible.
Furthermore, social media simply allows people to create and live in a bubble. The left will blame the right for being idiots and bigots, yet the right will blame the left for being too coddling and childish. None of them are talking about the decades long failure of neoliberalism and globalization and technology hollow out the middle and push us into a post-work society. Instead, they look for what hyperbolic nonsense they can get worked up about while they ignore the greatest social transformation of this century.
To give you a specific example, where are we talking about the fact five million jobs will be gone from the US before 2020 and driverless trucks will get rid of America's most employed occupation? Instead, we're digesting Alex Jones and Anita Sarkeesian. What rubbish.
Not all Leftists are Liberals... Some of us hate the PC Police just as much as everyone else.
as a liberal that hated Hillary there are a lot more of us. The Democratic party for a long time is not what liberals truly are. The true left stayed home this election cycle because they could not vote for wither candidate.
@ShakinJamacian: Bravo, so much truth in your post. I consider myself conservative but I have long been thinking about much of what you say and consider it to be the real core of these issues. Further automation of the workforce in the (near) future is one of the things which terrifies me most - I am not against it per se, but I just do not know how our societies will handle it, I'm not convinced it will be handled very well; my gut feeling is it will simply create a larger underclass of people out of work and dependent on state subsidy.
My parents are in their 70's and they often talk about how when they were young "people" talked about how computers would mean everyone worked less and had more leisure time, while still delivering the same levels of productivity as before computers. But instead what they got was people working the same hours or more, but expected to deliver much more in that time due to the computer assistance accelerating their workloads. I can imagine something similar happening going forward with new technologies as a best case scenario, but at worst as I alluded to earlier, the prospect of having way too many people with their jobs taken by machines, who will then no longer serve a "useful" purpose to society, but will still require food, housing, services, and a certain standard of living to stop them going mad. Add to that things like medical science extending lifespans even further it just boggles the mind - this is where sci-fi like Logan's Run and Elysium come from!
spongthe1st One way we could handle it is with a basic income. How we devise that is important, but I'd like to phrase the significance of it like this.
If we assured people a minimum floor, they wouldn't suffer via poverty and precarious situations. This not only means we can get rid of work that is either bad for the Earth (coal jobs) but also automate things that are simply cheaper and safer to give to machines, like truck drivers. Not only this, but poverty is a mental disease: we know enough to say that being in poverty increases anxiety, stress, and actually causes neural pathways in the brain to be damaged and closed. We actually hinder human potentiality and wellbeing by letting people live in poverty.
A basic income is also not a left idea, but a forward idea. Looking into people who support it, it ranges from the current President of the United States, to most technologists, to members of the World Economic Forum, to Martin Luther King Jr, to Richard Nixon, to even Stephan Hawking. And yet, no establishment figure really is hammering this point. Trump literally banked on a job policy circa 1986, not 2016. And we're prone to lose at least 5 million jobs before the end pf the decade to automation and AI, specifically. His failure here will show his introduction to fascism also misses the mark, just like neoliberalism has for decades.
We should really be asking why we've made automation and better methods of production so chaotic for people. How is it that we're literally more prosperous as a nation than at any time ever in human history, yet nearly half of the people living here need at least two jobs, and they still struggle for baseline needs? Something is fucking warped here.
6 minutes of Jonathon Pie carries more weight than 6 hours of political analysis by the so called pundits :) thank you.
yeah all the pundits do is feed back from their own biased point of view
Having watched the pundits everyday for a year and a half, I can say that no amount of listening to them compares to these 6 minutes. This had _actual insights_.
Yeah, I would tune in but I won't to MSNBC at all. Never.
...without makeup, fancy hairdos, stock background screens, and stupid news tickers at the bottom.
I got to be your 500th thumbs up. Thanks and also you are welcome! :)
This video will ALWAYS be relevant, _regardless_ of Biden's victory.
I'd say that it has become MORE relevant, ESPECIALLY because of Biden's victory
Again, in 2020, Trump's perceived image made it feel like he should have been beaten black and purple at the vote. And yet...only a 3% difference, because Biden didn't represent change. Because he's an old man that REALLY looked long in the tooth and not entirely there, wnot exactly reassuring when you're supposed to lead the country with the largest nuke arsenal. Because in his career as politician he had few contributions, none entirely flattering.
It's clear that the only reason he was able to win is because he was propped up against Trump coming out from four years of intensified campaigning against him (not that Trump really did much to prove them wrong) that continued to paint every Trump supporter as racist, sexist, homophobic, ignorant etc. The Dems could have pulled up basically anyone, and still have won, but the veeery low margin really shows how they literally chose the bottom of the barrel, proved by the fact that Biden's popularity has steadily gone down with no true signs of an inversion of tendency.
And yet, once again, what do the people who voted for Biden have to say? *AT LEAST HE IS NOT TRUMP*
Sorry gents and ladies, as Mr. Price rightfully said, that is not enough. Choosing a dubious political candidate because "hey, at least he's not *that other guy* y'know" does very little to improve the situation.
He was installed
As a Conservative/economic centre right, I support this message.
When will both sides realise that: GOOD OPPOSITION LEADS TO GOOD LEADERSHIP. WE NEED THE LEFT TO BE STRONG AND THE RIGHT TO BE STRONG
The best solutions come from center-right and center-left hashing things out and making compromises as they look for "I win/you win" solutions. When extremists on either side get too much power it becomes more of a zero sum game - "I win/you lose." Even more important though is getting the excessive influence of big money out of our politics since that leads to "the powerful few win/the rest of us lose."
@Dawson Davis I will have to respectfuly say, it wouldnt be enough, even with multiple parties, only 2 are ever really competing in a election, at least from the experience i have.
@@DM-OzExactly. Even in business, you will always have the big two. Apple and Microsoft. Coke and Pepsi.
I will be subscribing now. I am likely going to disagree with 90% of the things you stand for, but if you meant a word of what you said in this video, I will gladly sit in this chair and listen to what you have to say.
Why would you listen to someone who says stuff you might not agree with? It's 2016? We have Buzzfeed and MTV!
;)
You're LITERALLY HITLER
Same.
Ditto
That is the spirit.
"Being offended doesn't work anymore" best line in the video!
whizkidliz my fave line was "How shite does your candidate have to be to lose to that?"
whiz, we'll be waiting with baseball bats. Put your money where your mouth is.
Your threat of violence in a public space will surely look very good on background checks.
better than 'warheads on foreheads'?
CV, please. You fuckers get crushed in violence even worse than you do in debate- yes, that IS possible! The Left are screeching for civil war and "revolution" with an enemy that owns 14,000,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition, while they still can't figure out which bathroom to use.
Trump supporter: “it’s ok for 10 people to own 80% of the worlds wealth”.
Bearnie supporter: “ummm, no it’s not”.
Hilary supporter: “yes, and half of them should be women”
and POC, LGBTQ, etc
Biden supporter:
"It's more about the coyotes than the apple juice"
Canadian citizen:
Build that wall!
Wealth isnt finite, it isnt a pie that becasue someone takes a bigger peice that means others get less, this is a lie that Sanders keeps pushing but has zero basis in reality.
@@TheSilverPhoenix100 then why do resource wars even exist? why would humans ever conquer anything if not to get a bigger piece
"Being offended doesn't work!" Well done Jonathan!
I left the left for precisely the reasons you outline. When they abandoned secular liberalism, I could not longer be a supporter.
J J Haycock Ok . Well,. the door is just there. ....On the erm.....left....
a fucking men , only difference between me and you is I did not leave the left the left left me
I stopped identifying with the left when I heard logical arguments that easily debunked things I'd previously held to be sacred. It takes time and endurance to push through the cognitive dissonance and force yourself to grow.
The best thing about this election is that it simultaneously proved the existence of a suppressed silent majority AND demonstrated how utterly redundant the mainstream media has become. Not only did they fail to rig the election for Hillary, they accidentally handed it to Trump.
His stance on gay rights? That may be something he's personally not bigoted about, although I wouldn't bet on it, but his running mate, and his party platform, is about as homophobic as possible. I see mass marriage anulments and gay people who are now out and identified being compulsorily discharged from the military...
J J Haycock Blue Barbe a lot of projection going on and sadly no introspection. The right wing is guilty of lack of nuance and also quick to label entire groups of people one way or the other without actually engaging with them, they have done so with groups like BLM or the refugees. The right is also quick to be sensationalize and be outraged by non issues such as star bucks cups and people saying "happy holiday" instead of "merry Christmas". All I'm saying is that both sides have flaws and this holier than thou attitude doesn't get us anywhere.
This man is very good at talking loudly in a persuasive manner.
I like that you like pie. Maybe rap about it?
Dan Bull : *indeed not a lot of people can do that without being too forcing..*
The thing is, you can't debate someone in the classic sense (putting forth arguments and responding with the intent to arrive at truth) when they will accept nothing less than a shoutdown to utter concession. It long ago abandoned even the pretense of being a search for truth and became a gladiatorial match to the death.
you say can't, but what you mean is most people don't. start the trend of civilized discussion
No Pee Anyone can try starting it all they want, but when you get someone who does the metaphorical equivalent of putting their fingers in their ears and then shouting until you get tired of trying to be reasonable, there's no more that can be done.
This is the best political commentary I have ever seen.
6 years later, this still stands
This is still the magnum opus of this channel
Agreed. A year later and it still sadly holds up. People really never learn that more often then not that they are the creation of their own monsters.
The new Brexit video is challenging it's position.
@@theoutsider8745 too bad Trump hasn't been much of a monster so far and has gained more support through his successful presidency. The unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in 54 years not to mention the pullback of escalating hostilities with Iran. Although there is plenty to criticize just like any president, take Obama for example he deported more illegal immigrants than Trump by such a large margin that Obama's nickname was "Deporter in Chief." Yet I never hear the media bring this up as well as the Democrats going so far left that as someone who is most of the time a centrist is now closer to the right than the left. I forgot which news publication said this but according to policies during respective presidencies if you voted for Obama twice you are closer to a Republican/Trump now because of the far left media push. The Democrats are doing it to themselves and it's a shame.
@@Zappappappappa i can see it in everyone's eyes. They're tired of the bullshit. You're with me or against me if you disagree I'm going to hurt you. After these riots oh boy... their will be more
2020 is coming and it appears no one has learned anything.
Learned? The left double down. If not more...
@@rowlandbuck2703 They keep trying to push Biden and say "oh we didn't do anything wrong"
I despise trump but wtf are we going to vote for?
I'm posting this on FB January 1 2020 as a reminder to my folks how we fucked up last time.
@@rowlandbuck2703
We just had an election here in the UK. The left also decided to double down and fight the people, and it just resulted in them being wiped out for a generation.
I'd take it as a harbinger of what's to come in the US. Was last time lol.
@@M3TALG0DS Have you heard of American Solidarity Party? They're a new political party, and I'm backing their presidential candidate: Brian Carroll & VP candidate Amar Patel. If we're still all doomed, at least I'll go down for what I believe in.
Its been almost 6 years from this video and nothing has been learned. Wont be surprised if Trump does it again in the next election.
sadly it might very well happen. Biden's driving point in the campaign literally was "Hey, at least we're not Trump". Two years and a few political disasters after, Biden's approval has tanked to 40% versus a 55% disapproval rate, making it clear that saying "We aren't them" was not enough
@@DonPatrono
He's clearly going senile - it's fine, he's getting old, it happens, but this means you should plan your campaign carefully - next vote for Biden will not be a vote for Biden, it will be a vote for his VP, and if it's still Kamala Harris for next election, then I am almost certain Biden will lose.
*"Being offended doesn't work anymore"*
Goosebumps. Wow!
I am one of the deplorable that voted for trump and I am over the moon that he won!!! Trump will be my president for the next 4 year and I could not be happier!!!
Honest question:
Why would you vote for someone who labeles an entire country of people as rapists? Or someone who routinely insulted American War Veterans? Or a millionaire real-estate tycoon who is the definition of the establishment conservative voters were trying to get away from?
I don't understand that. I didnt support Hillary either though, thought they were both equally disgusting.
My joy isn't a Trump win. It's an HRC loss. Given the choice of criminal and buffoon, I'll take the buffoon.
Can you actually show where he said the entire country where rapists, as opposed to saying that the ones who where coming over illegally where ones on the run from the law already?
Trump is establishment, and he was happy to pull the curtain to one side and say "This is what really happens behind these doors"
Though you still missed the point.
The Left lost because they attacked the man, not the policies
"someone who routinely insulted American War Veterans" he didn't do that. Veterans were completely pissed off by how much the media twisted what he said. They were there when he said whatever he said, and they applauded. The medias lied about Trump again like they always do.
If he can get money out of politics then he'll be one of the greatest for that reason alone. It's going to be interesting to see what this joker is gonna pull off.
Debate. Persuasion. Compromise. These things require you to engage and comprehend the positions and views of others.
I totally agree, and there is not enough of it going on today. Too many people think that if someone doesn't agree with them on a topic, that automatically means they are being attacked, and must attack in return. Sadly, I have seen more of this on the left than on the right. Just looking at the numerous times at various colleges where people are protested and speakers are attacked and disinvited because they have beliefs that differ from others. We need to spend more time on understanding each other, and why we hold the views we hold. That doesn't mean we will agree on everything, but we will at least understand why we hold those views rather than its because of racism, sexism, exc.
Having been in that position myself, I know that a lot of that comes from acting emotionally, feeling victimized. A lot of people have felt like they are victims of policies or actions people take that have bases in religious groups (on campuses, religion is often related to the kinds of stuff you're talking about). It's not right -- an eye for an eye -- but I know where it comes from.
We as a people need to learn better emotional training and management, because it goes beyond just religion. This here is one of the reasons, I don't feel like I fit into any of the standard groups or labels society has. I tend to lean left, progressive, libertarian, personal freedom, on issues. But what those first two labels hold for a lot of people are emotionally weak children who shame people they disagree with into silence. I mean, just look at the internet and the mobs of SJWs that go out of their way to destroy the lively hood of people that hold a different viewpoint.
It brings it back to the top. Debate. Persuasion. Compromise. These things require you to engage and comprehend the positions and views of others. I've changed my views on just as many things as other people have changed theirs. That or we just accept we see the world differently and move on.
Exactly. Diversity includes different ideas. You can't have real diversity in a crowd of black, white, brown, Asian, gay, straight, etc if everyone thinks the same and has the same opinion on everything. That's a garden of flowers where everything smells the same.
Person A wants to be left alone. Person B wants to physically hurt person A Why won't person A accept person B's feelings? Let's discuss our differences? Bad things are actually happening to my personal friends and loved ones because of the rhetoric that is being espoused by one of the Parties. You might not be a racist. But pointing out racism is not racism. Nazi symbols and beating people up is not discussing differences. Rationalize why it's OK all you want , but you'll just be proving my point.
That's false equivalence.
Nazi symbols and beating people up is not discussing differences. Correct. That is something completely different and needs to be addressed in a different manner.
People whining because of differing opinions and people reporting someone being violent or harassing a person are not the same thing at all.
Who else started their Pie journey here and came back today ?
2016 Pie: “our argument isn’t made by hurling insults.”
2024 Pie: *hurls insults for three minutes*
Yeah but 2016 pie attacking insult-debate culture meant insults between regular people whereas 2024 pie is purely insulting the “political class” (for lack of a better term) so the likes of Boris Johnson or Liz Truss who have clearly done colossal damage to the country.
@@owentill ah, but then you would have to ask exactly how Truss caused colossal damage in her…what was it, forty days as PM? While 2016 Pie would point out that Liz Truss was railroaded by a BoE that no longer has undivided loyalties to the UK, 2024 Pie would realize that fact would reflect poorly upon Blair who first divided the loyalties of that BoE in the first place. And ‘24 Pie can’t have that.
I am actually applauding you for being one of the few persons that got the problem in its core.
Now,can you just preach it to those idiots in the streets?
Remember that to the sjws, his opinion is wrong because he is a white male.
To me the way people are attributing this problem to PC culture and SJWs is misidentifying the problem completely. Trumps voter base comes from forgotten America, those neo-liberalism left behind whilst the rich got richer. That being said Hillarys campaign focused way too much on identity politics.
isn't calling them idiots what you're supposed to avoid?
"IDIOTS!"
Fixed
Us Bernie folk have been preaching this forever, because we all had boots on the ground and talked to you guys very constructively. The Democratic Party is pathetic.
"It's almost as though the political acumen of Beyoncé and Jay-Z count for nothing" - Gold.
We're quite close to seeing a repeat of this exact video again in 2024 and it's simultaneously hilarious in the most cosmic sense of the word yet absolutely devastating that absolutely no one learned a single thing from first time it happened and only doubled down.
Jonathan Pie: Stop saying that everyone who disagrees with you is evil, or sexist, or racist and talk to them!
DNC 2020: Hold my beer...
@Challenger 2016 correct, which he is but it's of course not the point
Yep. They have decided to push for a war instead.
A lot of the forums I'm on have doubled down on the insults. I think they secretly like having Trump in control so they can indulge their arrogance and conceit by putting on how much more intellectual and "enlightened" they are. Funny thing is, none of them have come up with a realistic alternative to Trump.
Basically, a bunch of pretentious pricks jacking each other off about how America should be like a pseudo socialist European paradise country that doesn't actually exist in real life. A magical place where everybody thinks just like them. Unfortunately for them, in reality, people have different opinions on how things should be.
@@guardian08527 ah so you’re stupid
100%
I think "being offended doesn't work anymore" just summed up 2016.
Conservatives are really easily offended though.
+Toni M deflecting isn't doing you any favors
I was thinking the same thing. Over a year later and it is still spot on
Someone wanting to debate what you said doesn't mean they're offended.
unbeatable21x That's true, but if your version of "debate" is to accuse the person you're debating of moral or intellectual inferiority, what you're participating in is "debate" only in the most literal sense of the word.
Fucking hell that was nuclear, about time the left grew a pair, I don't even agree with this guy on Brexit at all but his stand for reason and democracy is nothing short of nailing it.
Kranku His 9min rant on the referendum was also spot on. He wasn't really pro-eu and was well aware of the real issues coming with staying in (and that the EU was anti-socialism).
Kranku His 9min rant on the referendum was also spot on. He wasn't really pro-eu and was well aware of the real issues coming with staying in (and that the EU was anti-socialism).
51TGM71 I just watched and it's fantastic, he's a charismatic powerhouse
I'm a Trump supporter, and whenever someone brings an intelligent argument to the table like this; I listen and I respect it. This is what we've been seeking all along while getting shut down by marxist buzzwords and fear of unemployment for raising our concerns..
It's not the early 1900's anymore, the shit that has been going on won't fly anymore.
I'm glad to see so many comments who can agree to disagree! Or acknowledge that they agree on some things, and not others, and remain cordial. I was so fearful we've lost that ability over the past decade or so.
I see it on both sides, but I do admit the left has been a lot worse about that. If you fall under any negative label they brand you with, often without even doing what they accuse you off, you lose all credibility to them. Then they tell people to avoid you/not support you over a trivial thing, such as a statement, often without providing sources. And even with sources, is a statement enough to condemn someone, or harass them? I feel like the left feels like they're little lawyers and detectives.
The stuff Hillary said years ago about the black youth? Oh, she's changed her mind!
Trump's comments a decade ago? Sexist!
I don't like what either candidate has said in the past, but ignoring what one said and focusing on another, is bias, and frankly, corrupt. People need to learn to stop being so biased, and look at the WHOLE picture, and think more rationally, than emotionally.
And the left even comes to the point where even if you are a member of one of the minorities they claim to defend, if you question anything, or say or do something they do not agree with, they throw you to the dogs. I've seen so many cases of queer people being doxxed or harassed by internet vigilantes, because they disagreed with some part of some left-focused topic. There isn't discussion anymore. It's such black and white, us vs them thinking nowadays. People are forgetting that everyone is different in every way, and it would be so much better if we took the time to listen to each other, and agree to disagree. But the left tends to say, "If you think like this, you hate X group/want X group dead!" which is such a huge jump. Then what you have to say is invalidated to them because you fall under X negative label.
From a conservative I love watching him because he tries to be critical of both sides
Trouble is because mumbly Joe is just as bad as Clinton because they have no ideas other than protecting corporate interests and have no idea how to tackle trumps fascism
Absolutely agree.
In order to engage in political discussions at all, we have to be able to hold ALL sides accountable, ESPECIALLY the ones who claim to be on our side.
This has such a strong relevance to Australia currently. The Voice referendum, so many people didn’t know what they were voting for or weren’t able to be persuaded because if they said openly they were against it, they were labelled as racist. After losing, the yes voters and news articles blame a lack of education. So people who voted no were called dumb. I don’t know how that is meant to help. If actually debated and encouraged clear information, we could have achieved a meaningful change.
This sounds exactly like Brexit in the UK. Leave voters were all "racist", "uneducated", "thick", "misinformed". Elite political class of London were shocked that the rest of the country disagreed with them and didn't like being labelled racist.
"They can't admit what they think...."
The statements that this guy makes are very powerful.
I think you missed the point slightly. He suggested that part of the reason the Dems lost was because they didn't debate well and just slung insults at the right. You watched that clip and posted that with no irony or self awareness. Bravo.
@Not Now seriously? Is it that bad??
@Not Now Daaaamn, thinking we complain all the time in Italy when the political climate is a lot more calm...
Not Now woah woah ok dude I was with you on the rant train till you started insulting a guy talking about his own home political zone. Bring the aggression down, I get mad as hell too thinking about ANTIFA and the bullshit they pull. But we are better than them my friend. And look Britain is with us too now. Things will start looking up soon.
Even people, such as myself, who are in the middle can't admit what they think without getting shouted down.
Well, Jonathan Pie is right on. I am from rural Ohio - I grew up on a farm. I worked super hard and made it into college. I graduated with honors from a great liberal arts college in Ohio. I then moved to Seattle. I thought I leaned left was but was not left enough for the people I worked with. These were very nasty, passive aggressive, far left people. I was conservative compared to them. They treated me like I was inbred, backward, etc. while they were progressive, sophisticated, etc. They persecuted me, discriminated against me, etc. They hated everything good and wholesome and held up as great most all things malignant. I had initially bought into the hype that the left was tolerant, inclusive, embraced diversity, etc. but found out that all of this is rubbish---it is a lie! If you disagree with them on social issues, etc. they will shut you out. I accepted them but they did not accept me. Over time, all of this turned me against the left in general and now I am conservative. Hillary calling Trump supporters deplorable fits the pattern as does referring to inland America as "flyover". The left's behavior in this regard really hurt those on the receiving end and is a reason why Trump reasonated so well. The so called deplorables overwhelmingly are solid, hard-working, wonderful, traditional, patriotic, common-sense people and are not at all the hate filled bigots the left portrays us to be.
In Seattle, when "liberals" set fires and destroy businesses is is 'free speech.'
But if you insult Grunge you are a racist corporatist extreme right winger.
All said as they stand in line to pay $10 for a coffee at Starbucks.
I know what you mean-- I'm a mixed-ballot Seattle native. A week later, and most of my friends are STILL spewing posts demonizing anyone who didn't vote for Hillary, with no signs of slowing down. I've been coming to watch this video every day for a sanity check.
'Normal' here is asking my husband to lower his voice when he mentions politics where we might be overheard, being extremely careful not to mention current events, or a dozen other 'tip-toe over glass' subjects.
Now show me on the doll where the left touched you..... Cmon guy that's only a small segment of democrats. Those are ultral leftists you probably would be shout out by ultra right wing people too. There's plenty of moderate leftists that lean conservative on certain issues but still got dem like me that would t treat you like that.
Different kinds of folks and they will drift apart even further in the future.
As a classical liberal/libertarian leaning type, I don't consider this modern iteration of far left social justice warriors as true liberals. They are merely authoritarians and/or neoliberal elitists who hold a few socially liberal views so that they can feel good about themselves and morally superior in their privileged lives. They are essentially the flip side of the religious right who use tactics of shaming and silencing in their own way. True liberalism stresses equality, individuality, challenging prevailing viewpoints, and an openness in expressing differing ideals and freedom of speech. The mainstream modern left, at least in America, goes against all these fundamentals. That's why I always find it funny when these people belittle the religious/extreme right, because in many ways they are their mirror image and share many similarities.
It's mid-2020, elections are getting closer, things are getting crazier, who's ready for part 2?
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This hits so hard. We the left have stopped understanding that we have to fight for our point of view. Almost as hard against the far left as we do against the right.
Totally nailed it!
was just about to type that :V
was just about to type that :V
Hmm... I'm not convinced. Because if it is, why is the right doing well despite repeatedly calling everyone who disagrees with them namby-pamby, bleeding-heart liberals; or tree-hugging, lovey-dovey lefties; or terrorist-sympathising, ISIS-loving traitors; or PC-obsessed SJWs. It's got to be more than just namecalling. There's got to be more that the left is doing wrong.
the left, left young men.
+Bob McBob they gave up on reaching out to that that truck driver that lives in that small town that has never been visited by a democratic politician.
Have we, the Left, lost ourselves entirely...? I never thought about it like this.
Well, time to reevaluate myself and think about this. :I
Whatever your (political) beliefs. This, I respect.
That depends, do you believe in the patriarchy? Do you think the US/EU is a rape culture? Do you think all white people are racist, and all men are sexist? Do you think gender is a social construct? Do you think that every moment of sex should be verbally consented to like some kind of pay as you go sex call?
If you believe in any of these things then yes, you should reevaluate yourself, go watch Thunderf00t or Sargon or anyone similar on feminism and the regressive left. If not you're probably not as far left as you think.
Liberals have hijacked your political movement and are fucking destroying it.
oBLACKIECHANoo I've always considered myself a Center-Left, but I admit, I've looked down on Right-Wing and Conservative people a lot, on intellectual/political/religious matters...
As someone who's right wing, I have respect for SOME left wingers these days because they stand for something and don't spew bullshit all over the Mainstream Media. Liberals (for the most part) are a fucking cancer on society, they are made up of whiny, idiotic children who rely entirely on celebrities and the Mainstream media to formulate their political beliefs for them.
Applicable to both sides, really. I've lost track of how many times I've been called a bigot by liberals, and how many times I've been called a snowflake (or had my sexuality questioned) by conservatives, simply because I disagreed with them about one single thing.
But let's face it, shutting down conversation by insulting someone who disagrees with you is safer than actually talking to them -- because if you talk to them, you risk having your own mind changed by information you didn't know before.
This needs more likes because you hit the nail exactly on the head.
To add onto this, the reason for that being a "risk" is then you'll end up exactly where you've put these people now - if you realise the other side isn't completely evil or insane, then you'll be added to the "basket of deplorables" or "army of snowflakes" or whatever that you once also put people in. And you know exactly how they get treated because you've been a part of that treatment.
"You" here used royally, just to be clear.
Just don't talk to dipshits
5 years later, and people still don’t fucking get it.
This was not the Jonathan Pie character.
This was Tom Walker speaking from the heart.
Do you want to get Walker lynched?
Classique Liberal dead man walking, I guess...
Truth
I think you are correct.
A lot of it is.
"retweeting Greenpeace doesn't lower your carbon footprint". 😂
Allow me to retweet that sentiment.
This is one of the best analyses of why Trump won that i've ever heard.
Exactly lol
I have come back to rewatch this so many times. It’s brilliant and he says things that are so true, and yet the people who need to hear it most are not listening. It’s 2020 and it’s gotten worse, not better.
3 yrs after you posted this, I'm seeing it for the first time, and it's got me hypnotized. Absolutely brilliant. More instructive and relevant than in 2016. But, at the same time, we have all come to learn that there is no debating these people. Right-wingers don't give a fuck about debating anyone. They're for whatever YOU are against, and vice-versa. Whatever pisses us on the left off, that's what they're for, even if it means burning the world down.
Wow. A liberal I can respect. Please, make more.
Funny thing is that hes a democrat!
You would be surprised if you looked a little bit harder, there are a lot of liberals out there who absolutely despise the social justice warriors and the Neoliberals (*coughlikemecough*). Many of them are also more libertarian (not the movement, more in the political compass context) leaning with beliefs grounded in social democracy and democratic socialism.
ME! Free Market Socialism, Schweickart´s Economic Democracy.
JTR, most of them as you have said identify more as libertarians than liberals, which might explain why we agree so much in that particular department.
i think you are a feminist borabosna !?
At least some people are FINALLY fucking getting what's going on. A shame most still won't listen.
Correction, a shame most of the left wont listen
If you ask me it's a great thing. I hope the left doubles down on their idiocy and prejudice. It will simply mean they will continue to be irrelevant from now on. Right-wing populism is gaining traction, it's something that cannot be denied anymore.
It's time for the conservative men and women to take back their country!
Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Augustus
I'm more centre. I don't believe either side should have too much power, or they slip into authoritarianism.
Andy Semple With the left and its strangle hold on everything, it is only natural that the right will gain some power back, then hopefully we can have some balance. Even if its centre right and centre left, as opposed to extremes
I am glad that Trump is willing the question the extent that carbon has in so called man made global warming. Examining the science on both sides tells me that man's roll is minimal.
Even though its a 3 yr old video.....this is probably more needed now than was then
I love this guy! His "report" on Boris' resignation brought me here.
I never looked at it like this before. I'm apart of the problem. Thanks for that verbal ass beatin I needed it.
Anyone who can honestly look at their behavior and make that kind of commitment is awesome, no matter what side of the fence they're on. You, Kassie, are awesome. :)
If there's anything I've learned from watching social media blow up the last few days, it's that people who promote peace and honest discussion, and come ready to listen should be sought after, celebrated, and emulated.
I really hope you mean that. People would love to engage in debate. But when engaging in debate means being called a bigot every time you disagree with someone, lots of people just choose to not debate. I've been saying for a while that accusations of bigotry have lost their impact, just like the boy who cried wolf.
I'm really happy to see that there are people starting to realize that this is a problem. Dave Rubin has been saying it for a while and hopefully others start to wake up.
If you are being sincere, Kassie, then all credit to you ... Unfortunately, very few insult-hurling, moralising leftists will actually absorb this lesson and try to change their ways in future ... If you are one of those few, then I respect you ... Wayne
Kassie Mitchell Unfortunately a lot of "your" kind will dismissed this and will not finished the video coz of him spitting curses left and right ... Sad people should get over there self righteousness
wayne252525 Really? You attack their honesty? Fuck you then - Watch the fucking video again.
thank god somebody said it.
Stuart JSA yet the libtards continue to believe that calling everyone in America sexist, racist, islamophobic, homophobic white supremacists.
Thy honestly believe that they will shame people into voting liberal, by alienating a good majority of your average American voters they believe they can win.
Bill Gultch just like calling them libtards will encourage debate. while I admire this man's selfdeprication its not as if the right was willing to engage in any kind of constructive debate. remember it takes two to get in to a fight.
Sam Ancer I wouldn't agree with that, neither side is a monolith and there are people on both sides willing to debate. I really think this is representative of how the left has acted during this campaign but at times is has been better than it is now.
I agree that the fault is on people who refuse to engage in debate. I was pointing out that it occurs on both sides, I did not say that there were not liberals at fault, I was merely pointing out that calling someone a libtard (which is seems more unjustified for having a leftwing view than saying people who support someone who promised racist policies racist) is just if not more so problematic to engaging a serious debate on issues than calling someone a racist. I just found it ironic he was complaining about people labelling him and then just used a massively derogatory label himself
Sam Ancer Hmmm I guess I did just make a pretty blatant "not all argument there", but your correct its people on both sides. However I really disagree that calling some one a libtard is even in the same boat as calling some one a racist. I have never heard of some one getting fired for being accused of being a libtard but I have heard of people getting fired for being accused of being a racist.
Listening to this in 2022... No one has learned anything.
And 6 years on it hasn't changed
I'm a girl and I was genuinely bothered by Clinton and every celebrity who constantly pulled the woman card. It got to the point where not only men but even women were fed up with it.
I don't care whether the candidate's male of female. I will vote based on your ability to lead a country. Sure, I think a female president would be a great progress for equality but there are other ways to achieve that. Making a female candidate president just because she's a woman, but not fit for the job, is ridiculous. Your gender is not an argument.
Why do you think it would be progress for equality? Are you saying women haven't yet developed the "ability to lead a country"? Or do you think being President is some sort of right that there should be equality in? Or are you just a typical woman who puts women ahead of country?
I am a man and I understand your argument but I think I also understand what Winteris Coming (great name btw - just a few more days till Game of Thrones airs its 7th season):
Here's the thing (the way I see it): Women have always had the ability to lead a country but in order for a woman to be elected she needs men to vote for her too. Progress is when the vast majority of men will have no problem voting for a woman and THAT is the million dollar question: "Have men in the USA progressed there yet"? Because it seems odd there was yet no woman American President. Israel, a tiny country only 70 years since it became a sovereign state, had a woman PM (Golda Meir) 48 years ago (two - if you count the 24 hours that Tzipi Livni was PM). Hell - Pakistan had a woman leader and the USA none yet? I think Hillary Clinton was a terrible choice (totally agree with Jonathan Pie) but were there no candidates before her? (and if not - why not)?
Good to hear from another woman that it's not okay to try and say just because you have a vagina you are instantly good for a job.
Fred Neecher.
Is it so hard to think outside of your own box to even theorize why?
A female president is a landmark and a symbolic victory that solidifies the achievement of meritocratic equality. When it happens and hopefully through merit of the woman it will always be symbolically important to people who campaign or used to campaign for the equality.
It doesn't matter how equal we are, the first time will always have some symbolic value to it.
+Toveri Juri We might not have the first female president, but we have something almost as good. The first ever Oompa Loompa. Wonka will be so proud when he gets the news.
“When did the Gymnasts Association start thinking it’s appropriate to enforce blasphemy laws?”
Exactly.
I mean even his comment of "I can't say this or I will get lynched"
I was like bro, that happened to Professor Weinstein, Sam Harris, Joe Rogan, and many others who are called "far-right" by retarded journalists who think anyone who doesn't march in far left lockstep to them is right wing.
Which makes the right grow when people who are fans of rogan and harris see what is happening.
The Young Turks is a case study for what this guy is talking about
@JeremyThompson Young Turks??? No. It should be the young red guards.
@@jeremythompson5151 When Joe Biden won 90% of the vote in Virginia The Young Turks went on to call Virginia a "Cesspool"
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This should be a series!
How and Why with Jonathan Pie!
HES GONE. We haven’t learned anything, BUT HES GONE
Only because of his handling of Covid. If that hadn't come along I suspect Trump would have been reelected
Because it was STOLEN.
@@kerodelkigh take the L
Spot on. Political discussion has gone done the fucking toilet in recent years and people's sense of self righteousness has got to bloody stop.
I think it might partly be social media and how it creates an echo chamber for everyone, so people are only exposed to views they already agree with and end up believing everyone else thinks the same as them, so they get over confident about their opinions and feel more righteous about them, and it's easier to dismiss and ridicule other people who think something different, because they're seen as an outlier in comparison to all the info on your Facebook/twitter feed that supports your own view. And that's the same for both 'left' and 'right.'
Jeopardy Leyton I think you are on to something there
The New Knights Code yeah political debate has gone. People in the comments just constantly labeling people rather than discussing any issues.
Definitely. People should be inviting their opposition to challenge them not trying to shame them into silence, and those that are silent to stop the fear of being shamed. There is no shame in trying to have a reasonable debate.
The New Knights Code labels that get banded about: commie, libtard, socialist, racist, sexist, pie in the sky...
The left, right and centre are all doing it and it becomes quite toxic.
As a member of the Right, that no longer participates on Facebook because my ideas and thoughts do not align with most of my left-leaning friends, I have to say "Well done and spot on".
imagine thinking facebook is a left space
2020 and nothing’s changed
This is still relevant, sadly. It will be even more relevant come November.
Very true. I know more trump supporters than in 16. But they’re quite
@@emmarose6590 quite what
Two months after Election Day, and this is STILL the best analysis of how things went down. And I'm saying that as someone who voted FOR Hillary. Pie is SPOT-ON.
babserella2778 how did you vote for someone who has had seizures on camera?
babserella2778 I'm not trying to start an arguement but why did you vote for Clinton? I mean trumps bad but Clinton is the fucking anti Christ
babserella2778 Nearly a year and a half later, it's STILL the best analysis yet things STILL haven't changed.
Adam except for the fact that er slowly start the second cold war
this is what hes talking about. labels man.
Wow, that just raised the IQ of political discourse in the world by quite a bit. I wonder if the people he is talking to will even understand, never mind agree.
What's next, an anti-war Democrat? Will wonders never cease?
Hey look, you found one!
Join the right wing death squads, we have freedom, cookies, and jokes about dead Jews.
And if that offends people, they'll probably grow from it. Time to stop being overgrown babies.
*****
It's a joke. The entire point is to offend. Let people have fun by getting a rise out of you, and have fun yourself getting a rise out of them.
If it's not uncouth and offensive and nasty, it wouldn't need to be protected. Free speech protects the dirty, nasty things people don't like hearing, not the nice flowery things that nobody minds. So exercise it, to see who the enemies of free speech really are. Then exercise it more, to bother them.
oh I'm listening.
I look forward to this same rant tomorrow
"Imagine losing to Trump with Clinton, so what do you do 4 years later? you chose an even worse candidate with Biden who can't even put together a sentence without sounding like he should be in a care home who, in an interview tells black people that they aren't actually black if they vote for trump. Just, I can't Tim, I can't..."
@@AFGuidesHD lol
4 Years, no lessons learnt
Right. It’s actually worse. There’s even more censorship and hate from the left
@@emmarose6590 yes it's all the left's fault...
@@eeZcrew yea most of it is. The right isn’t perfect by any means but a lot of the problems have been the left since Obama. That’s why we have the orange man in office and he was elected. To push back on the extreme left
@@emmarose6590 you aren't seriously trying to claim Obama was far left?
@@eeZcrew nah no far left but by no means a moderate democrat.
Honestly, I can’t get over how well this video does at addressing one of the major issues of our time. Regardless of your political beliefs, we can’t progress as a society without engaging in open dialogue.
The elites really hate how we can talk online now. Fools
@@pineapplaplatypotamus: The elites have no reason to hate or fear online discussion, because it mostly consists of people hurling insults at each other. When was the last time your mind was changed by a political argument on social media? Or if you're one of the rare people who really does listen, when was the last time you saw _someone else_ have their mind changed by a political argument on social media? The internet has turned politics into a team sport. And let's face it, shutting down conversation by insulting someone who disagrees with you is safer than actually talking to them -- because if you talk to them, you risk having your own mind changed by information you didn't know before.
@@deusexaethera Yeah the internet helps the elites, I won’t try to change your mind on that one, bucko
@@pineapplaplatypotamus: You quite expertly demonstrated my point.
@@deusexaethera Why do you lie? When you lie, you become an enemy of the universe. Why do that? Because you can get away with it? Because it feels good? Because you don’t know how to think? What exactly is the reason?
As someone who is on the right, he is spot on
You're on the right? YOU'RE A FREAK.
Ha ha
I guess I would be slightly leftist & definitely agree. This Guy says what we all think, this guy should be put in front of a politician, any politician, for a debate...now he would make politics interesting
Jonathan Pie reaching his absolute zenith. Well done Tom.
It is April 2020 and this video is just as important as it was in 2016.
"Being offended doesn't work anymore."
Offend me, just go ahead and try. It's hilarious. Feel free to fuel my future jokes.
@@pineapplaplatypotamus That's not what he meant, but I agree with your statement. :)
@@robert-joshuamcfaddin7041 The demons hate being laughed at, it's a lot of fun to just not take them seriously at all
This is one of my hobbies lol
@@pineapplaplatypotamus ooooo, i want to join in *laughs at the demons too*
I am not a Trump or Clinton supporter, and I 10000% agree with your assessment of the moral decay of the alt-left. The alt-left who brags about tolerance and open-minded are the most intolerant and close-minded of all. The right is at least a little bit open.
Don Carlin q
That is probably why they have to talk about tolerance so much.
+Don Carlin Bullshit. As long as I continue to see rightards insult communists & communism & socialists & socialism and animal rights activists & antinatalists & climate activists without EVER ONCE LOOKING at the INCREDIBLE injustices, tortures, pain that they are trying to minimize,
the rightwing will ALWAYS be more closed-minded & intolerant than the left.
When you show respect for all prisoners & give them the vote & not treat a "criminal" as if that word "defines" who they are, then you will have something important to complain about or some important point to make.
Oh hello, are you here because this video is still spot on in 2020? 4 days from the election and NOTHING has changed....
Well this aged well.
Holy shit. You nailed it, you get it! Every piece of Trump's success I try to articulate, you did it all in one go instead of pieces. Another piece is conservative Americans/Republican voters have been slapped in the face for years by their embarrassing candidates who pander to the wrong crowd. The religious right every time, most conservative Americans didn't give two shits about gay marriage, but every election cycle that was the big issue. Gays and abortion were the GOP issues every time. Even if Republican voters didn't like it, few were actively fighting those things. The rest of us just didn't give a shit. Trump was their knight in shining golden armor, who destroyed the GOP and he said things that weren't gay marriage and abortion.
Republican voters own party wouldn't even give them a voice or listen. Will Trump? Who the knows, but it's the best chance the silenced, overly mocked, conservatives had in decades.
that's the power of being british
The evangelical voters have once again, or finally, exposed themselves for the flaming hypocrites they are by lining up behind Trump.
The republican party went so far as to try, at every turn, to shutdown the voice of the republican voters once it grew finally grew legs. They went so far as to support the candidate of THE OTHER PARTY.
You started to get it there...but then reverted to kind. That's alright, the healing process takes time and you've got 4 years of Trump to stop looking down your nose at Christians.
Silenced... overly mocked for decades? But they just had Bush in the White House for 8 years...
I'm a liberal and a reluctant Trump supporter. This video hits the nail on the head. I recognized that the political left no longer represents true liberal values a LONG time ago. Hopefully more people wake up and we don't have a ridiculous fucking situation like this again in four years.
Some ~330 million people in the US. Trump and Hillary were the best we could come up with. Fuck me.
They weren't the best we could come up with. They were the best of those the elite allowed to progress.
The elites wanted Cruz, not Trump. His party was against him to the end.
We are going to rebuild the DNC, and get a real progressive into the white house in 2020.
The DNC wanted Trump. If you read the wikileak emails, they actually propped him up via the media. They figured that HRC's best chance was to beat one of the loons of the GOP, like Trump, in the general.
Vegard, they wanted Bush. Cruz is too much of a nutjob.
Who else is watching this on election day 2020?
I salute you again good man. You regularly speak my mind. Bernie would have thrown Trump around through the room with words alone.
This is pure GOLD. I've said that many many times to my friends, but it's not like anyone would listen.
yep on both sides tbh. I find it hilarious that people use liberal as an insult but as soon as it's probably the end of rational discussion
sinnedciti People should really stop insulting each other and open the debate. Politics won't change for the better unless we work together or at least are able to exchange points of view without the media trying to lynch someone.
Trump supporter here.
This video is 100% correct.
You mean other than labelingTrump racist, mysogynist, and/or a denier?
I think the general thesis of what was said is correct. The left doesn't present logical arguments anymore, not because they don't have reasons for their belief (Who believes in something 'just because' or 'because they're stupid'? Nobody. We all have arguments to make.), but rather because they've just grown lazy from decades of perceived victories and a cancerous PC culture.
The left damages themselves through this decadence. Just look at the current list of candidates for the next election on the Democrat side. Who do they got? Elizabeth Warren? Run Sanders or Clinton again? Or Michelle? Oprah? They have nearly nobody on their bench anymore, as everyone who wasn't named Clinton or Kennedy or some other veteran from the 60's was reduced to serving their 'betters' coffee and giving them briefings. There was no apprenticeship. No passing on of skills or development of new blood. Obama was perhaps the exception to this rule, but even in the 08 election it was still Clinton as his opposition. Now there is nobody left and Liberals have nobody but themselves and their complacency to blame for it.
The only way to actually start moving towards political parties that are at least somewhat free of corruption and nepotism is to abandon sacred cows like "HILLARY CLINTON MUST BE THE FIRST WOMAN PRESIDENT" and start questioning the leadership as well as getting more involved in your party.
The GOP faces similar problems - maybe not as bad, but we could easily be in the same place 8 years from now. Corruption, nepotism, and bad logic are EVERYONE'S enemy; whether you are left, right, or whatever.
Yep, this video is 100% on the dot.
ur job is to lose elections
Crickett you probably don't even have a job.
And here we are, six years later, and It has already announced it's candidacy for 2024. I pray to all the gods that we've learned our lesson, but, people being what they are, I shan't get my hopes up.
Uploaded 3 YEARS ago!?..... This coulda been uploaded 3 HOURS ago and it'd still be valid!
this guy! hahahaha and he is absolutely correct about why it happened. "Hillary Clinton? What were the Democrats thinking" hahahaha
how shit have you got to be to lose to that. hahahahahaha! omg, it is awesome thru and thru.
HeidiSue60 it's sad because we had a candidate we wanted.. We had one. We got something else entirely. a lot of my friends either abstained from the presidential candidate vote or voted trump not because Hillary was a woman (no problem with female President bit Hillary was a bad candidate) because they were pissed. We need to change the DNC that fact is simple. I just hope a lot more of the left helps make that possible. ill vote either side depending on the candidate but this year it was more like what's the point.
NerdAndANoob
i think he tried as hard as he could, but she was so freaking unpopular, he couldn't even throw her the election...now we have pretty much a joke for a pres. blch...makes me sick
I don't think rabbits like being compared to Hillary.
Actually... there were elections. And Bernie lost. So what did HE do wrong?
Is this finally dawning on people?
It seems so.
There are two kinds of people; those of us who knew this was coming months in advance, and name-callers.
20+ in fact. Both sides simply refuse to come to the table anymore. They both say 'sure, we can talk.' And it always ends up being the same thing; 'we can talk' translates directly to 'you have to do it my way.'
ahhahahahahahahah. 'The right has always been willing to talk.'
Oh, wait, you're serious. Here, let me laugh even harder.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA.
Kind of like how they 'talked' about the ACA?
Or how they're very willing to 'talk' about taxes?
Perhaps their willingness to 'talk' about the environment?
Or is there some other 'talk' I missed?
Disinviting is NOT the same thing as banning, but, nice try.
It’s bad that this has not aged a day
I remember watching this in 2016... the left have gotten worse... every one who I try to talk to with left policies are angry and dismissive. I didnt vote for Trump in 2016, I will in 2020.
I am exactly the same. I was so glad to be in a *non*-swing state so that I could happily vote for Johnson in 2016. Not this time. This time I will vote Trump. He is a narcissist and a sleezebag, and he could be substantially worse and I would *still* vote for him over the identity politics spouting excuse for a Left wing that we currently have. Kavanaugh, Covington, Smollett, and a phony impeachment? What a disgrace! I used to vote a mix of Independent, Libertarian, and Republican. Starting in 2018 and until the Left regains its sanity I will vote straight Republican.
@@ivanblank3667 I hate the progressives, but I don't see any benefit with Trump. The pandemic was his responsibility and now over 160,000 of my fellow countrymen are dead. He tried to repeal the 14th amendment with an executive order. He suggested violating the 20th amendment with an election delay. He suggested the press should be forbidden to witness the GOP nomination which violates the 1st. He cares more about conspiracies and less about data. He has ridiculed gold star families and claimed they were attacking him. He ridiculed John McCain and Jim Mattis. He refused to allow the military to rename bases named after the confederate soldiers even though the military wanted to. He pulled troops out of Seria and left the Kurds out to fry after they fought and bled beside us to defeat ISIS. He is pulling troops out of Germany who are our allies. He insulted the leaders of NATO. He has walked away from the Climate Agreement. He trashed the Iran Nuclear Deal and now they are stockpiling again. He killed an Iranian general against his advisors' recommendation and almost started a war. Millions of Americans are suffering and don't have a job and his administration has refused a stimulus package to help the American people. He makes fun of handicapped people. He makes fun of asian people. He dodged the draft 5 times. He bankrupted a Casino. Several members of his cabinet have quit including a speaker of the house. The whole Ukraine thing which violates campaign finance law. And he can barely pronounce simple words and sounds like an idiot consistently. Before I am called a Leftist, I am anything but. I don't hate all republicans but I cannot stand Trump.
@@ivanblank3667 I don't think the impeachment was phony as such. Trump is a pretty amoral sort of guy and I certainly don't think those witnesses lied. It just seemed pointless considering the Senate would never vote for impeachment.
@@madouc5754: I wholeheartedly agree that he is a pretty amoral and even immoral sort of guy, but those qualities are not high crimes and misdemeanors. The fact that the Senate was never going to vote for impeachment was in part because there was no good case for it. Quid pro quo? Please. He released the transcript of the phone call to clear himself and while that was going on we learned that Biden had actually *bragged* about committing exactly the sort of quid pro quo that they were trying to pin on Trump. Honestly, the release of the Ukrainian phone-call transcript can be contrasted nicely with HRC's wiping of a hard drive full of government emails that were about to be subpoenaed. If there really was nothing to hide on those emails, then she could have turned over that hard drive to the government. As for Russian collusion and other similar stuff, they now have overwhelming evidence that an illegal wiretap was performed on the Trump campaign, and then there was the nonsense involving the Steele dossier which also should properly lead to legal action against HRC and Obama. Nah ... Trump is a scumbag for sure, but the impeachment was a steaming pile from start to finish. It was no more and no less than a soft coup attempt. You don't get to impeach someone for being a narcissistic sleazy immoral ass. There needs to be a crime. They came up with absolutely nothing, and they committed multiple crimes in order to attempt to find them.
@@ivanblank3667 Well you won't get me defending Hillary. As soon as it became apparent that she had a broken a law, they should have gone for someone else. Her wiping of emails only compounded the error and by constantly excusing her it has only served to undermine attacks on Trumps ethics.
From my understanding the Russian investigation started after a discussion between a member of Trumps campaign and an Australian politician so I am sceptical of claims that the investigation was not valid. This was after the Democrat servers had been hacked. I don't believe the impeachment was a "soft coup attempt" because there was never any chance of it succeeding. It was a foregone conclusion that the House would convict and the Senate would acquit.
The released transcript of Trump's phone call was not an exact word for word statement of the call. There were omissions which thus far have not been released and probably never will be. Legals analysts have said that the call implicated Trump. This along with the fact that aid to Ukraine was withheld makes the Presidents claims to be dubious. That being said I doubt he realised he was breaking any laws - if in fact he broke any.