This is some great teaching! I was a Protestant for 49 years before becoming a Catholic last year. I'm so glad I decided to learn about Catholicism from Catholics, and not from Protestants who have so many misconceptions and false assumption. A good example of a Jew praying directly to God in the OT is in the story of Hannah, the mother of the prophet Samuel (1 Samuel 1:1-20). Hannah was barren, and prayed directly to God for a son. She promised to dedicate her son to God's service if He would answer her. The Lord did hear her prayer, and the prophet Samuel was born.
As a mormon this video got really interesting about 45 minutes in. The Spirit was talling me to continue watching your video and I listened and was taught something very important. Thank you
You stayed and watched this video not by your own convictions. Perhaps something is stirring in your heart. Continue to search for truth and when you find the Catholic Church, be obedient to it. Bless you.
@@tony1685 try to read it everyday. And it objectively was. The 1st and 2nd century Christians share a theology and hierarchy with the Catholic Church. Feel free to read their writings directly to see what they believed. The Didache, and the letters of St Ignatius of Antioch are a good place to start if you want to know how the earliest Christians believed and exercised their faith.
@@tony1685 we catholics have a bible. we read the writings of the early christians in understanding the bible because they hear the gospel straight from the apostles. my question is that what make you think that your personal interpretation of the bible is most accurate compare to the early christians?
Because he finds obscure sermons and calls that "protestant theology", and makes blatant fallacious errors in misquoting those he criticises. People like Trent Horn and Pints With Aquanas are "winsom" and charitable. He is not.
@@brittoncain5090 it's in this very video. He just chops up sermons and then says that's protestant theology. Does he actually read protestant theology texts? Does he dialog with protestant theologians? Does he even try, or is he content to just build mountains of straw to burn to make cheap emotive content for gullible fans to consume?
I thank God that I woke up today a Catholic Christian! As a hard core, devout Protestant most of my adult life, my conversion was extremely unlikely. Yet God, through Mary, finally got through to me. My objections to Catholicism were based mostly on assumptions about what I thought was official teaching. It is hard though, because of an endemic blindness in Protestant circles about Catholicism that you see in the clips Joe shows in the video. When you hear it your entire life, it’s hard to overcome. The key is having a teachable spirit and a willingness to follow the truth wherever it leads. Stay curious my friends!
@TriciaPerry-mz7tc The church unfolds its doctrines over time. New Testament Saint's have been entering heaven for 2000 years, and so the unfolding plan of God never ends but renews with ongoing Glories. Jesus promised the gates of hell will not Prevail & with the saints family help for us each it doesn't. Just as the angels help us!!
When I was a "bible Christian" I could not even connect the single dot that I had. Richness. Family. Body of Christ. It is not Him and us. He is the Head and we are His Body.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17 New International Version A Church Divided Over Leaders 10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[b]”; still another, “I follow Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Church Easton's Bible Dictionary - Church Church [N] [S] Derived probably from the Greek kuriakon (i.e., "the Lord's house"), which was used by ancient authors for the place of worship. In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same profession, as when we say the "Church of England," the "Church of Scotland," etc. We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the New Testament: • It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense ( Acts 19:32 Acts 19:39 Acts 19:41 ). • It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church ( Ephesians 5:23 Ephesians 5:25 Ephesians 5:27 Ephesians 5:29 ; Hebrews 12:23 ). • A few Christians associated together in observing the ordinances of the gospel are an ecclesia ( Romans 16:5 ; Colossians 4:15 ). • All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together in one place or in several places for religious worship, were an ecclesia. Thus all the disciples in Antioch, forming several congregations, were one church ( Acts 13:1 ); so also we read of the "church of God at Corinth" ( 1 Corinthians 1:2 ), "the church at Jerusalem" ( Acts 8:1 ), "the church of Ephesus" ( Revelation 2:1 ), etc. • The whole body of professing Christians throughout the world ( 1 Corinthians 15:9 ; Galatians 1:13 ; Matthew 16:18 ) are the church of Christ. The church visible "consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion, together with their children." It is called "visible" because its members are known and its assemblies are public. Here there is a mixture of "wheat and chaff," of saints and sinners. "God has commanded his people to organize themselves into distinct visible ecclesiastical communities, with constitutions, laws, and officers, badges, ordinances, and discipline, for the great purpose of giving visibility to his kingdom, of making known the gospel of that kingdom, and of gathering in all its elect subjects. Each one of these distinct organized communities which is faithful to the great King is an integral part of the visible church, and all together constitute the catholic or universal visible church." A credible profession of the true religion constitutes a person a member of this church. This is "the kingdom of heaven," whose character and progress are set forth in the parables recorded in Matthew 13 . The children of all who thus profess the true religion are members of the visible church along with their parents. Children are included in every covenant God ever made with man. They go along with their parents ( Genesis 9:9-17 ; 12:1-3 ; 17:7 ; Exodus 20:5 ; Deuteronomy 29:10-13 ). Peter, on the day of Pentecost, at the beginning of the New Testament dispensation, announces the same great principle. "The promise [just as to Abraham and his seed the promises were made] is unto you, and to your children" ( Acts 2:38 Acts 2:39 ). The children of believing parents are "holy", i.e., are "saints", a title which designates the members of the Christian church ( 1 Corinthians 7:14 ). (See BAPTISM .) The church invisible "consists of the whole number of the elect that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ, the head thereof." This is a pure society, the church in which Christ dwells. It is the body of Christ. it is called "invisible" because the greater part of those who constitute it are already in heaven or are yet unborn, and also because its members still on earth cannot certainly be distinguished. The qualifications of membership in it are internal and are hidden. It is unseen except by Him who "searches the heart." "The Lord knoweth them that are his" ( 2 Timothy 2:19 ). The church to which the attributes, prerogatives, and promises appertaining to Christ's kingdom belong, is a spiritual body consisting of all true believers, i.e., the church invisible. • Its unity. God has ever had only one church on earth. We sometimes speak of the Old Testament Church and of the New Testament church, but they are one and the same. The Old Testament church was not to be changed but enlarged ( Isaiah 49:13-23 ; 60:1-14 ). When the Jews are at length restored, they will not enter a new church, but will be grafted again into "their own olive tree" ( Romans 11:18-24 ; Compare Ephesians 2:11-22 ). The apostles did not set up a new organization. Under their ministry disciples were "added" to the "church" already existing ( Acts 2:47 ). • Its universality. It is the "catholic" church; not confined to any particular country or outward organization, but comprehending all believers throughout the whole world. • Its perpetuity. It will continue through all ages to the end of the world. It can never be destroyed. It is an "everlasting kindgdom."
This is incredibly useful and rarely talked about. I’ve never heard a defense of Catholicism from this angle before, and certainly none as in-depth as this. Thank you Joe! Thank you also for doing the AMA with the Catholic Diocese of Discord. We really enjoyed the event and your answers!
One of the things that drew me to Catholicism in the communion of the saints which I saw in Scripture & I needed in my life as I have limited family 😁🌹🙏
Thank you. With few living relatives, I can relate. We all need each other. Love God and neighbor as yourself was never an either /or proposition. We are all on the same vine.
I'm 76 years old. I converted to Catholicism in 1970. I have found little intellectual side to Protestants and much bias, including amazing talents for dancing around anything you explain to them. Great dancers.
Raised Catholic. Left the Church. When I was called back to the Faith, I first explored different Protestant sects. None of them could deal with John 6 in a coherent way. They were great at dancing around the obvious meaning of the Text. So I went back to the Church. Praise God for you and me!
@@michaelogrady232 in the bible, U will find CHURCH n CHURCHES but not catholic church. So when U say U went back to the catholic church, it does not make sense. It's like going out of the church Jesus established with the apostles.
The Hesch! Something that gets me is that some people can't get past the question of, "Can saints hear you when you ask for their intercession?" I usually say two things: 1. Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration. 2. God can do anything that is within reason, and there is no reason God could not allow this. But people still don't understand that it can and does happen. The way that many have become canonized is because someone prayed for their intercession and then received a miracle from God. I don't know how much clearer it can be.
Yes. It seems that every time that we ask someone to pray for us, we are asking for intercession. I suppose the commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves is a command for intercession ?
I typically ask if they have read Luke 20: 37-38: "But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
No one comes to the father but through me...Jesus said Are you to believe Jesus or the church Paul wrote letter to the saints of the churches ie christians
@Redwarfa yes, that passage is about Salvation through Jesus, which Catholics believe in. We do NOT believe that Saints have anything to do with our Salvation.
Omg that first clip made me face palm. If the torn veil means we don't need priests, I can only assume this person has never read ANY of the Epistles since they are literally interchurch letters between bishops. So you are really saying Peter and Paul were wasting time writing letters to bishops who didn't need to exist. Also, why does that man and McArthur go to church at all? Why should anyone listen to him at all if we are all priests? C'mon, guys. That kind of Prot exegesis is directly linked to the rise of the New Atheists. I try to be kind, but arguments like that first clip make me sincerely question the intelligence of everyone who willfully goes to hear that person preach every week.
@@chase6579 They don't. A Catholic that listens in Mass will go through the whole Bible in 3 years, just by being there. Protestants barely read Scripture, on average. (Evangelicals do make the attempt, though, but they barely get any instruction, and aren't even introduced into how to conduct proper exegesis) Edit: Evangelicals also usually neglect the Old Testament altogether, I've even seen copies of their Bibles that just don't include it at all. That also leads to weird opinions even among the more scholarly Evangelicals, like the idea salvation in the Old Covenant was based on works and not on Faith. Or that you needed a priest for intercessions. Or clerical authority, church structure, obedience, prayer vs worship, what/how to sing in Church, how a Liturgy should look like, purgatory (yes, it's there, and all modern Jews believe in it), etc.
@@chase6579 The problem is that they have "Rome-a-phobia" so they have this HUGE disconnect between what was understood at the time the Bible was written and want to reinterpret everything from a modern western mindset. So, they "reinterpret" what a "house church" was and just assume it is like their modern "small groups" where everyone just gets together and eats some food, sings a couple songs and does a Bible Study. They don't understand that the "house church" was still a liturgical worship service.
The issue is that we have to define our terms. The positions of church leadership described in the Bible, like Presbyters(elders, the word we get priest from, usually spoken of as a group of godly men leading a church together), Episkopos (overseer or bishop, used interchangeably with priest/presbyter) Deacons( lower than the elders/overseers and primarily servants and administrators in the church-see St. Stephen and the others in Acts 6) and Apostles (those with special authority from Christ to judge and teach like Peter and Paul, not the same as bishops) are not necessarily the same as the modern systems of church leadership seen in the Catholic OR Protestant churches. If you read the NT, you will get a picture of church organization that does not look very much like the Catholic system at all, which has included elements of the priestly system from the Old Testament. To make it short, just because you can point to a "bishop" in the NT does not mean you have justified the current functions and position of bishops in the Catholic church- it's just a title that has been defined differently by different people.
The fact that that Protestant pastor said literally everything except the truth about priests….. the spiritual warfare is crazy and very sneaky in Protestantism. Thank you for doing God’s work!
This video makes so much sense as to why Luther wanted to remove Hebrews from the Bible, it's much too Catholic!! Thanks again Jo for setting the record straight!! ❤️
What I have never been able to figure out is why other churches find it necessary to preach against the Catholic Church and our beliefs instead of preaching about God’s love and goodness and acceptance of us all. I don’t think it’s a very Christian like practice. Thank you Joe for your channel! It’s very inspiring!
True story and it just happened a few minutes ago. I was watching a youtube live chat thing its a group that meets weekly based on Carl Jungs works. Today they were talking about religion and were trashing the Catholic church. I watched till i couldnt take it any longer and commented im outta here! Then my sister texted me outta the blue a beautiful picture of a deer in her backyard and it was inches away from a large St Francis statue and had its head and neck outstretched to the Saints face almost as if it were kissing his face. That to me is a small miracle when i needed it most 🙏🏽💙🙏🏻💙🙏🏾 Praise the Lord ! And to make it a double one this popery popped up on my youtube feed right after all that !
Holy cow, I’ve been hearing Protestants talk about this subject for so Long… I completely missed this simple truth about the context!! I love this channel. ❤
Hey Joe, I have been enjoying your videos on you tube. I’m a Catholic Convert and come from a Wesleyan holiness movement ,that has this belief called “Entire Sanctification “ . I have not seen a good Catholic video on this subject. Maybe I could persuade you to do one.
If I'm understanding it right, "Entire Sanctification" is reaching such a state that you literally stop sinning any more. To Catholics, that's the mission and goal of every Christian. Through grace, we get sanctified. I'm pretty sure we see "entire sanctification" as possible, with one caveat. While it is indeed wicked to say such and such is condemned to hell, it is perfectly Biblical that any one person may fall away. We do not know, and we are not meant to know, if tomorrow will be the last day we sin. St. Peter made it clear, we are to be kept in our toes. It is presumptuous, arrogant and highly dangerous to assume yourself already perfect. You do not know that. Be vigilant, keep your candles lit and ready. "Be sober and vigilant. Your opponent the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, steadfast in faith, knowing that your fellow believers throughout the world undergo the same sufferings." - 1 Peter 5:8-9 You should focus on the journey. Take solace in that things will get easier, by the grace of God, through the union with Christ, but don't grow complacent. The moment you may think you defeated the demons battling for your soul, they'll appear somewhere else in your heart, like cockroaches. Squash them, purify yourself, and never stop. A Soldier of Christ must keep watch.
Romans 12:5 KJV So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another... 1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
@@richardjackson7887 Thank you for those quotes. Now…What does that mean to you? If you interpret that to mean that (1) you can belong to one of a number of sects in division & disunity that can’t even agree on how to be saved, (2) you have no authority on Scripture interpretation, (3) you believe the “church” to be a nebulous invisible entity without any actual cohesion among members of the Body for those who claim this, then there’s a good likelihood that you don’t understand what the Body - the Church - is. 🤔
@@richardjackson7887 Also, Ephesians 5:25-33. We ARE the body of Christ - the incarnation of our assumed Lord and Bridegroom. Through His Holy Spirit, we continue the work HE began, by joining our suffering to his suffering in service to bringing His life into the world. For this reason, The Catholic Church declares there is no life outside the church… for just as the incarnate God enters the world through Mary, the resurrected Christ enters the world through His Bride, the church. How Beautiful the feet that bring the sound of good news and the love of Her king. (Paraphrase Isaiah 52:7)
@@vinciblegaming6817 Jesus did not represent God he is God! John 1:1-3 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made... John 1:14 KJV And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John 1:12-13 KJV But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God... God entered the world through his son Jesus who is God. I thought you were ignorant but your stupid which can't be fixed! Pray to Mary who must be your God, your pagan God. Guess scripture taught you noting because God has not made a new covenant with you! Jesus is the veil that was removed so we can have access to the throne room. Isaiah 53:1-9 KJV Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4. ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. John 1:29-30 KJV ...The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Says what it means, no interpretation necessary but more study to fully understand ! But your to lazy to take the time to listen to the one that created all things! His children listen to him and not others Matthew 4:4 KJV ... It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Go... Written in the old covenant, look it up!
Thanks for dropping this on my lap Joe. I’ve been debating with a non-Catholic who has referenced Hebrews and the veil. This has saved me a lot of effort! I’d add, Peter the rock receiving keys: the rock being the foundation stone of the new covenant carried through the church, and the keys being the sole right to open and enter the holy of holies - these ideas were known to Jews at the time. It is symbolic. Peter was to be the new high priest on earth for the church on earth, and the keys would be passed on to his successor.
totally agree with you about Matthew 16 and Peter being the Rock. Have you ever read or watched Dr. Brant Pitre on Matthew 16 and the Jewish Roots of the Papacy? Super powerful.
It seems the claim is that one doesn't need a priest because they are in the way, an obstacle. But one does need a Rev or a Pastor or some self certified Non-denominational Spiritual Guidance Counselor to be sure that you are getting the authentic teaching of the bible? Makes no sense to me.
Pastors and teachers are gifts to the Church. Ephesians 4v11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
I've run into many prots telling me stuff that their SBC/evangelical preachers had told them about Catholics, almost exclusively falsehoods no basis in reality much like this "preacher"in this video.
I've been learning so much about the religion, but almost every time I hear an objection, they don't go for the things that would be difficult to respond properly. No, they go for falsehoods that are easily refuted by a minute of research or an inquiry to a priest or even a layman. The same goes for the arguments of most atheists, they don't go for the challenging ones (I haven't met one yet who actually knows what God even is, in its basic definition, seems like all the competent atheists died a century ago)... or go for things like "why God do this?" which is so silly a thing to ask. As the Lord said to Job (such an amazing book!) after Job asked why, as he did not understand, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth? Tell me, if you have understanding." Ultimately, it seems I'm mostly learning for my fellow Catholics and my own edification. Sometimes it does help, for the genuinely curious Protestants, but I wish more were honest in their questions and genuinely sought truth. That attitude is dangerous to the soul.
I love this explanation. In the Jewish mind, the tearing of the veil wouldn't have signaled an end to priesthood or intercession or religious institutional structure, because Jesus was clearly establishing something with structure that included preistly function in his apostles. It would have signaled the end of God dwelling in the one temple in Jerusalem and relocating to a new temple, the body of Christ, his Church, and our individual bodies (as the apostles articulate in Scripture), the new local(s) of proper worship to God in the New Covenant. As it's been said. The old covenant had one alter and many sacrifices. The New covenant has many alters, one sacrifice.
I think the reason Protestants have such an incoherent argument about prayer and the priesthood, and one that is directly contradicted by Scripture, is because the first thing the “reformers” did was eliminate the true presence and sacrifice of the Mass. Go to a Protestant service. It’s public prayer, praise, and sometimes a Bible study. None of these things are worship. But because they think prayer=worship, they conflate the two when reading Scripture. In the Old Covenant, yes, only a Levitical priest, in the temple, could properly offer the people’s sacrifice to God. This is the prefigurement of the Catholic or Orthodox Priest having the juridical authority to offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist to God. True worship. As was done and understood for a millennia and a half. But Protestants no longer believe in the sacrifice of the Mass, so they don’t have what every Christian for the first 1500 years understood to be the proper worship of God. All they have is the prayer they think is the same as worship. Since they don’t need a priest to pray, they think they don’t need a priest to worship. (I started typing this before I finished the video. Sounds like Joe is about to start making this point far better than I could.)
Because most Protestants don’t have altars & don’t offer liturgical sacrificial worship, they don’t understand worship, hence, not “church”, more like synagogue with prayer & teaching.
I could have misinterpreted your initial comment but it seems like you are implying that THE way to worship God is through mass? Don't get me wrong, worship can OCCUR at mass, just as it can occur at a church service. But I don't see a biblical case that presents mass as the new testament form of worship.
@@RobertW-ByzantineCatholic So I'd be curious as to where scripture teaches that the offering of the eucharistic mass is worship new testament worship. I keep referring to new testament worship because Jesus states in John 4 that there is a specific kind of worship the Father is seeking: John 4:23-24 RSV [23] But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” Romans gives us a glimpse into true worship in the new covenant: Romans 12:1 RSV [1] I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Jesus even says it will not be about the physical location of the worship....we know this would have been controversial to the Jewish and Samaritan audience because of their association of the temple with the right place for worship..... John 4:20-21 RSV [20] Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” [21] Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
Just as many in the early Church sought the mediation and intercession of mere human beings like Peter and Paul and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs, so too even now, for NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SEPARATE US! Especially the Mother of God, she who moved her Son and Lord to perform His public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple, as the prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects, as we are God's coworkers! Jesus Christ teaches that when we die, we become like Angels, and Angels present our prayers before the throne of God! Protestants Pastors are so entertaining! They aren't Biblical, but entertaining! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
I'm a "Protestant" and the whole time I watched the pastor from 11:20 on talking about intercession, I was shaking my head and saying 'wrong, wrong, that is not what the Catholics believe or practice'.
Absolutely insanely good… Every video I watch I end up either in tears or sitting with my mouth open or hand on my head… because I just can’t believe I never understood scripture before. I usually come to understand where you’re going with things quickly and then I just sit flabbergasted the rest of the video. 😂 👀… they open now. Praise God.
Commenting a bit early, so I'm interested to hear the rest of the video, but I wanted to say that I've been Protestant for 35 years and I've never heard anything so ridiculous as the examples used for Protestant belief about priesthood or praying to the saints. I agree that there are varying forms of ignorance about Catholicism and they tend to bring about most of the disagreements, but the examples of protestant belief in the first 15 minutes of this video represent a level of extreme ignorance I haven't seen in 3 .5 decades of being a Protestant. Update over halfway through: Great explanations. Very clear, agree wholeheartedly. Love the thorough and logical way everything is mapped out.
I can’t get enough of this. It’s brilliant. And I take great delight when Joe gets that little twinkle in his eyes and impish grin, knowing he just blew up the opponents nonsensical position.
Another excellent video. It really hammered home the point of sacrifice, the flow of how worship and sacrifice are linked from the old testament to today. Fulton Sheen did a talk about sin. He made the point that sin being in the blood and how it’s linked to guilt, sacrifice, and worship.…. It was very relevant to Joe’s video. It’s crazy to me as a Protestant convert, i used to think the veil being torn was god’s way of giving access to all people what was only allowed by the high priest. Making us ALL the high priest (nation of priests) and everytime we eat bread or drink wine we should remember him in memorial. In doing that, we were essentially carrying out the high priest’s orders. So silly i know…. dont judge me, not all of us are lucky enough to realize the truth of the catholic church before their 40’s 🙈. In my defense, i learned it from James White…. I thought he was the smartest. Didnt make a ton of sense to me but that’s how it was with many many teachings of JW
I was a Protestant for 47 years. Usually this is implied when a Protestant says let's boldly go Before the Throne of God. This statement usually accompanies the argument about the veil being torn.
Thanks Joe. I've often heard this error and didn't know how to begin to answer it. Thanks for refuting it so comprehensively with Scripture and tradition. Blessings!
I might be missing something, but wouldn’t the entire book of Psalms disprove the notion that people couldn’t pray directly to God before the Temp,e Veil was torn?
As a life-long Protestant, I have never heard the argument when the veil was torn, we were able to go directly to God in prayer. Rather I was taught that we no longer had to go through a priest for the confession and remission of sins, as it was under the Old Covenant, but rather we could go directly to Christ as He is our High Priest and the ultimate Sacrifice under the New Covenant.
"Rather I was taught that we no longer had to go through a priest for the confession and remission of sins, as it was under the Old Covenant..." This is not even an accurate explanation of the temple sacrificial system.
the old covenant was a figure and a shadow of the New, so that there must needs be various fundamental analogies between the two cultic systems - but the protestant always try to reduce that relationship by only considering the analogy between the sacrificial victim and Jesus crucified - they don't want to consider the fact that God established an organized, communal worship, where the function of the priest was essential for making the animal beintg offered an offer of the people of Israel - similarly, they don't want to consider the meaning of the ritual of consuming the flesh of the animal that was sacrificed in order to receive the forgiveness of sins - a clear, direct analogy with the communion in the flesh of Christ in the Eucharist - etc
Thank you brother in Christ - Joe H. for yet another great work done. It is explicit that this video on its face, very informative. Most importantly, thank you for clarifying this misconception (among others) by the protestants. You're are a true gift to the one and true Catholic and Apostolic Church. I pray for God's continuous blessings upon you, your family, and your ministry. Amen.
-A priest is a man elected to offer sacrifice (divine honors, 'worship') on behalf of the people to the god or God. -the veil being torn is not a sanctification of the nations. It is a desecration of the old temple and the old rites. -prayer is not worship; without sacrifice, there is no worship. Therefore: -Protestants have no priests and no sacrifice, so Protestants do not worship God. Change my mind.
The mass isn’t the only type of sacrifice a Christian can offer. Baptism makes all Christians priests: “Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 2:5). So it isn’t impossible for Protestants to worship God.
@@joaopedrodesousacarvalho1558 It is true P's believe in the priesthood of believers. However, they don't really believe in sacrifice of believers, do they? You very rarely hear anything about offering up one's suffering in union with Christ for the Church or for other believers. This would be true priesthood. They have priests, but they don't do anything. That is the problem.
Romans 12:1-2 - “I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of the mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect”. According to Paul, spiritual worship is us presenting our bodies and minds to being confirmed to Christ as a living sacrifice. So yes, Protestants do worship God.
Read Hebrews 7,8&9. Read the Bible as a whole text . No verses in the Bible. It was broken down into verses to make it easier to memorize. Memorization is not understanding. Read the Bible for yourself.
I can't count how many times I've heard this tired protestant argument against intercession and the priesthood. They have no concept of the context of the scripture they quote ad nauseum. They only read scripture with their modern presuppositions. The veil being torn has nothing to with prayer.
@@samuelotache9239 or you removed them? remember their was 72 books in the bible for 1500 years until luther removed some to his benefit. careful of your accusations.
@@samuelotache9239 Jesus also told us to call NO one FAther. I guess i disobey that literally. how about you do you obey God's word by calling the person who co create you as co-creator of your MOther ?
@@samuelotache9239 In our faith we since Christ is the head and we the believer is HIS body. It means that where their is a catholic Faithful Christ body exist. If a catholic dies he/she is still a member of our church. IN the bible we can clearly read the presence of Saints in heaven Hebrews 12:1-2, which says, "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith". Since those Saints are still part of our Church we ask for them to pray for us. Ephesians 6:18 New International Version 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. We also believe that prayer of the righteous are effective like the Saints. James 5:16 “The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.” -
"You don't need no man to go to God for you." This was the last thing Sheila needed to hear before starting her own church, Taste and See Ministries. Only the Bible was going to be preached there.
Some prodestants are just misinformed and humble enough to hear the truth, but often what I hear is prodestants just being willfulyy ignorant because of their pride. It's always pride. Im right, and your wrong is their mantra. Im honestly tired of all the shenanigans. If you answer one objection, they just change the subject.
23:00 the gotcha tactics of protestants are exhausting. I once heard one of their representatives say the we’re praying the Lord’s Prayer because it says “as we forgive those”. The contention is since we’re not very forgiving, we risk not being forgiven. I think the point of Our Redeemer was lost there.
Just so you are aware… and I am not doing a gotcha… but if you are going to speak about these things you need to actually know the scriptures…. Read this carefully… this is Jesus himself talking….”14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. Matthew 6:14-15 | NIV That is straight after the Lord’s Prayer for context. The previous 4 verses are the Lord’s Prayer. Please read that fully and see if your original interpretation might have been wrong.
@@travelwithroland2 by all means…and I’m not remembering the exact point I was trying to make, but I do understand what the Lord’s Prayer is saying. The “gotcha” I was referring to was in saying we should be correcting the verbiage of the prayer because we might be condemning ourselves for saying what it means. I thought that comment as saying, let’s trick God into our salvation by lukewarming our words. Obviously, my brain is moving faster than I write, because I left out a word and later that clarifying statement in my previous post.
@@travelwithroland2it was both. They are using HAIL MARY and it’s obviously to a nonexistent Virgin Mary. Try to help catholic people is a waste. They love and live lies. They worship and pray to A Mary and then lie. They don’t know what or who they pray to. I’ve seen and heard it. They will twist and manipulate the Gospel to make you think MARY IS GOD MOTHER when God don’t have a mother They will also Tell you the Pope was sent and THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES with authority and can give salvation. They are lost and under strong delusions It’s another Christ and Mary. Don’t listen to them. Dust your feet and move on. JESUS SPECIFICALLY TAUGHT AGAINST THEM VAIN repetitious prayers and OUTWARD SHOWING OF PIETY GENUFLECTING and making the sign of the cross and constantly using beads and rosaries. False false doctrine teachers ACCURSED
at 4:27 Joe presents John MacArthur's three contradictory claims about the priesthood as if this is confusing. These three claims actually line up perfectly with the CCC teaching on priesthood: 1. The ministerial priesthood (CCC 1547) 2. The high priesthood of Christ (CCC 1544). 3. The common priesthood of all the faithful (CCC 1535). So these three categories are not contradictory or confusing to either Catholics or to Protestants. Protestants reject the validity of the ministerial priesthood in the New Covenant because there has been a change in the priesthood (Hebrews 7:12). Catholic priests actually function like the ministerial order of Levitical priests in the OT and that order was ended in the New Covenant. There is simply *no* mention of ministerial priests in the New Testament at all, let alone a whole system based on them.
Romans 15:15-16 "Yet I have written you quite boldly on some points to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit." Paul, writing to Timothy. 1 Timothy 4:6: "If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed." and then a few verses later in 1 Timothy 4:14 "Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through prophecy when the body of elders laid their hands on you." And it wasn't only the body of elders, it was Paul himself, 2 Timothy 1:6: "For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands." I am using the NIV but the body of elders talked about here is the presbyterate in Greek. Do you or any of your elders have their hands laid upon them or lay their hands upon anyone? 1 Timothy 6:20: "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care." Guarding is a marker of the priesthood (Leviticus 21:53). Did you know that Adam was a priest? He was tasked to work the garden and guard it. Timothy is a priest, tasked to guard his garden, the local church. 2 Timothy 4:5 "But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry." There is quite clearly a hierarchy, as seen in Titus 1:5, "The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you." There is definite mention of the ministerial priesthood in the New Testament, and there is a whole system based on it. I don't know what your motive is in trying to say there is no mention, but I pray that you might understand the biblical truth of Catholicism.
@@julianh651 Thanks for your reply. There are a number of good ideas to address here. First of all, yes, in Protestant churches, when a man is entering ministry, the elders lay hands on him for commissioning and ordination. This, as you show, is biblical. The three Greek words which are significant in this question are: presbuteros = elder episkopos = overseer or bishop hiereus = priest Paul uses presbuteros (elder) and episkopos (bishop) to describe one and the same office. See Acts 20:17 where Paul calls the elders of the Ephesian church to meet with him. He then addresses them in vs. 28 as bishops. So the hierarchy between those two offices (elders and bishops) is not there. Paul never uses the word "hiereus", priest, to describe an office or ministerial position in the church. The references to elders, evangelists, ministers are just that - not priests! Yes I agree that Adam can be seen as a priest of the Garden of Eden and Timothy as caretaker of God's garden, the Church. This is a figurative use of the word priest. And though I agree with the idea, the word is not actually there. So to establish an entire system on a figurative idea is not a solid hermeneutic. In Romans 15:15, Paul says he has the priestly (yes it is hierus!) duty of spreading the gospel to the Gentiles and then offering *them* to God as an acceptable sacrifice, the fruit of his evangelistic ministry. Paul is not offering a sacrifice to God *for* them or on their behalf (that would be the Catholic/Levitical priesthood) but rather he is offering THEM to God as the fruit of his labors. This use of the word "priestly- ministry" (hierourgeō) occurs only here in the whole NT. Paul never calls himself *a* priest. The real issue though is the damage done by reconstructing an Old Covenant-like priesthood when the entire book of Hebrews makes so very clear that this should not be done. We are to go to Jesus alone, our High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. To place men as intermediaries again is to disregard the enormous and beautiful changes of the New Covenant in His blood.
@@jmferris542 You say that the Catholic priesthood offers sacrifice to God for the people on their behalf. I think there is an idea you get wrong about what goes on during the Mass, that the priests are the ones offering the sacrifice. It might appear that way to someone who does not know what is going on in the Liturgy of the Eucharist and the Eucharistic Prayer (the making of bread and wine into Body and Blood of Christ), but it is Jesus who offers the sacrifice through the priest. It is true that the Catholic priest offers sacrifice to God, but it is in communion with the people who also offer sacrifice to God. The Catholic priest offers himself, he offers the gifts that the people offer, and he offers the people. I assume that you would find offering the gifts of bread and wine as something like the Levitical priesthood. But it is not the bread and wine which we offer AS a sacrifice. We offer them IN sacrifice. The bread and the wine are not the sacrifice itself. These are not acceptable to God as these have no bearing on him. We offer the gifts IN sacrifice, meaning we offer the gifts as part of OUR sacrifice. It is Jesus himself who offers to God the sacrifice of his body in the Mass, the priest is a vessel to accomplish these means. The priest doesn't offer to God Jesus, the priest offers himself for Jesus so Jesus can offer himself to God. For the sacrifice of Jesus to be made present we must also sacrifice. Mary sacrificed her self to bear Jesus. We sacrifice ourselves to see Jesus. And the whole issue hinges on the fact that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Because without this fact, then the sacrifice is not a sacrifice but idolatry. But as it is, Jesus' sacrifice is effected and made present to us, a miraculous thing. It is a beautiful event, because we are present with the Lord at his supper, and indeed through his whole Passion, Resurrection, and Ascension. We the people, along with the priest, are all participants in the sacrifice, looking upon Jesus on the cross. We experience the breaking of the veil by the breaking of the bread, we embody the resurrection by partaking of the body and blood, and we are called to mission by the dismissal (Ite, missa est) which reminds us of the Ascension. The question is, how can you partake FULLY in the New Covenant of Jesus without partaking of His Blood, which is the Blood of the New Covenant? If the Blood is poured out for not only the Apostles, but for the many, and the wine is his Blood, shouldn't you find Jesus pouring more wine for the many? A man opened the scriptures to two men on the road to Emmaus. They didn't know who this man was but he explained to them everything about Jesus from the times of Moses to all the Prophets. How did the two men know it was Jesus? They didn't, until he broke bread.
@@julianh651 Thanks for the clarification that you believe Christ offers the sacrifice of himself through the priest and as part of the corporate sacrifice of the people. However, in Scripture there is no hint of Christ using a human priest to offer himself (Christ) in the Eucharist at the Lord's Supper. In addition, there is no Scripture which refers to the Lord's Supper as a sacrifice. Do you know of one? The Catholic system has been carefully modified and parsed to accommodate Scripture - but it is simply not described in Scripture. Hebrews 9:24-25 says, "For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own..." The Catholic mass is a sacrifice done repeatedly. (Yes I know they say re-presentation of the once and for all, but it is repeatedly nonetheless.) It is done in holy places made with hands, only copies of the true things in heaven. So the mass takes Israel's Old Covenant practices which are described clearly in Hebrews and puts them into the wine skins of the New Covenant. Secondly, we believe that spiritual reality is not less than physical reality. Spiritual reality is actually more real, more true, more heavenly. When Jesus says "my flesh is real food" he means spiritual food. And spiritual food is greater not lesser. The Catholic Church collapses spiritual realities into visible physical realities and this is actually a loss, not a gain. What the Eucharist actually is, it is for all true believers gathered to the Lord's table in faith. One church cannot limit the saving work of Christ in those with faith who are in other churches.
Sure, there is no explicit mention of Christ using a human priest to offer himself in the Eucharist at the Lord’s Supper found in scripture. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t implied, or as you say not hinted to. For example, the Greek word for “Do” in “Do this in remembrance of me” is poieó, which could be argued heavily implies Christ instituting the Apostles to offer the Lord’s Supper. There is also the fact that Christ is present in the Lord’s Supper and offers himself in the Eucharist. Corinthians 10 deals with this. In fact, in this chapter it even talks about what you talk about as spiritual food. Paul says, “They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ” (1 Cor 10:3-4). It is clear from these verses that the same food and drink is real food and drink. Moses and friends ate the spiritual food, i.e. manna, and drank the spiritual drink from the rock that was struck. In these elements of bread from heaven and water from miraculous rock are still bread and are still water. The peoples hunger was satiated and the peoples thirst was satiated. Both the bread from heaven and the water from the rock are Christ. And Paul is saying that it is the same food that the Christians have. Here you might say that now in the New Covenant these foods are purely spiritual, no physicality attached to them. I don’t believe this to be true, because Paul says, “Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.” (1 Cor 10:14-17). It is very clear here that the consecrated cup somehow is a participation in the blood of Christ. And the bread (same bread used in the Our Father, same bread that Jesus calls himself, same bread that figuratively means divine provision) that is broken somehow is a participation in the body of Christ. Verse 17 shows that partaking of the one loaf makes those who share in the one loaf the same body. Ok, so you might still say that it is just a participation, Christ is not present in these items. But if the idea that partaking in one loaf makes you one body, what body are we in if not in the Lord’s? As Jesus said, whoever eats his flesh and drinks his blood remains in him and he does in them, so then it must be his flesh and his blood. Also, verses 18-22 in 1 Corinthians 10 heavily imply that drinking of the cup of the Lord is sacrifice, because Paul compares those who eat the sacrifices on the altar, who are participants in the altar, to those who drink of the cup of the Lord, who are participants in the Lord. The body and blood is the sacrifice of the Lord. This proves that the Lord’s supper is a sacrifice. If not, then we can look at the word used for “in remembrance of me” which was used in the institution of the Eucharist and Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 11. This word is the Greek word anamnesis. It is used in the Old Testament translation of the Greek Septuagint for the memorial sacrifice offered by the Levitical priests, but in other cases to translate the Hebrew word of commemoration (as seen in Psalm 38:1, Psalm 70:1) which the Levitical priests do in 1 Chronicles 16:4. It is also present in Hebrews 10:3 about the sacrifice having in it a remembrance of sins. The Hebrew word that I just mentioned (zakar) God uses in remembering his covenant with Israel, and is also used for bringing to remembrance iniquity (Numbers 5:15). Therefore this word, anamnesis has sacrificial undertones in its meaning. The Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice. He pours out his blood HERE, in the Last Supper, as an unbloody pouring out before his bloody sacrifice. Scripture doesn’t explicitly say, “The Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice” because it is evident in the sacrifice and words of our Lord, and in the whole gospel, that it is a sacrifice. It is the culmination of everything before into a covenant meal established between Jesus and his apostles for them to perpetuate forever. There is no repetition in Jesus’ sacrifice. He does it once at the Last Supper, he does it once at Cavalry, he does it once everyday in his Church. In the Catholic Church, there is no “copy” of heavenly things like that of the Old Testament. What we have is the real thing. We have Jesus Christ in the flesh. I hope this clears up a few things.
More good stuff....meaningful content that Protestants should absolutely give a listen to. This rich holy faith contains so much beauty & sensible participation as Gods household is the Pillar & Foundation of the truth. We gotta look beyond the superficial modern thinking, but even the Malachi text is blatant 🧐
I've watched this video before, but I'm listening again for a refresher. And, so that I can click the like button and leave a comment. I created a UA-cam account so that I could give likes to Joe and Kenny Burchard. They're my favorites.
Re,. Intercession... I've been in a lot of Protestant churches and nearly all have a "prayer room" where you can go after service and a team of "prayer warriors" will pray with you about whatever is troubling you. And I can't for the life of me figure how this is different from the Catholic practice of asking the saints who have gone before us to pray for us. But my Protestant brethren are absolutely certain that there is a vast difference. Go figure.
The issue seems to be with the Protestant concept of the afterlife. In contrast to the Catholic understanding that individual judgment is immediate, the Protestant belief is that those who die go into a “soul sleep” until the Last Judgment, and so they are unable to hear or respond to intercessory prayer.
Excellent..I will Share it. Was there a way to educate people who thought Luther started the Church about the Catholic Bible. Maybe you've done that already. I just have watched you on Catholic Answers..will subscribe.
Joe chose a very bad example with his second offering g of a preacher so he could rip him apart! A tiny clip of MacArthur . Joe needs to put on some big guns from the Reformed Faith and he - Joe- would not stand a chance! K
@@mikekayanderson408 the 2nd guy was very typical of the sbc and other evangelicals IMHO. As Joe has the truth he can easily defend himself and his reasoning and logic.
@@mikekayanderson408 Who pray tell are these "Big Guns"? Christianity was Catholic until these big guns either a) subtracted enormous parts from Catholicism and called it Reformed and / or b) Act like it all came from the bible and their church fathers, with no record of their early fathers teachings or the origin of their bible.
@@billpletikapich5640NO CHRISTIAN was ever catholic. EVER IN fact Catholicism originated in Europe Rome The first church was Jerusalem AND THEY were Jewish.
“You don’t need any priest,” says the protestant preacher because the people of his congregation wouldn’t give that minimum 10% tithes to help feed his wife and children, would they?
@@Maranatha99Yes, some governments (not the Church) tax churchgoers. But the Catholic Church doesn’t require a 10% tithe from parishoners. Protestants hold onto that from the Old Covenant out of necessity.
So absolutely fantastic the way you weave these contradictory misconceptions of Protestantism into the truth of Catholicism. The tearing of the temple veil compared to the tearing of Jesus's flesh is something I never thought of before. Thank you Joe and keep up the great work. Viva Christo Rey!!!
You ever wish you could force people to watch/listen/read something with an open and objective mind? I'm convinced that if this was done with this channels videos, everyone would cease to be non Catholic.
couldn't agree more, people like Mcarthur offer hatred and anger more than anything else. They cherry pick what they chose to believe and preach and it is why Luther wanted to take even more books from the Bible than he finally did.
Being from a Protestant family, i believed that the Veil, which separated the Holy of Holies from the rest of the Temple, was torn to show that humans did not need an intercessor. Only the High Priest could go behind the veil, and only once a year, on the Day of Atonement. In effect, Catholic doctrine put it back, saying that ordinary worshippers could not deal with God directly, but only through the mediation of a priest.
Consider that the earliest Christians did not believe the later Protestant view of the veil. Over 1500 years went by before Protestants somehow developed this erroneous position.
Wow Sir, congrats you did not watch did video at all and if you did it was filled by your ultra high resolution protestant lens... Cos you and your family have been wrong... Catholics go directly to God and intercessions are not prohibited by God. It's right there in the Bible.
This is some great teaching! I was a Protestant for 49 years before becoming a Catholic last year. I'm so glad I decided to learn about Catholicism from Catholics, and not from Protestants who have so many misconceptions and false assumption. A good example of a Jew praying directly to God in the OT is in the story of Hannah, the mother of the prophet Samuel (1 Samuel 1:1-20). Hannah was barren, and prayed directly to God for a son. She promised to dedicate her son to God's service if He would answer her. The Lord did hear her prayer, and the prophet Samuel was born.
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Welcome home! From a fellow convert.🙏❤️
Glory to Jesus Christ!
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We rejoice with you sister. Welcome home!
As a mormon this video got really interesting about 45 minutes in. The Spirit was talling me to continue watching your video and I listened and was taught something very important. Thank you
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You stayed and watched this video not by your own convictions. Perhaps something is stirring in your heart. Continue to search for truth and when you find the Catholic Church, be obedient to it. Bless you.
From a former morman Come Home!!
It makes sense the spirit would tell you to listen to this.
You are welcome to come home whenever you find the truth. It will wait upon you… …with open arms.
Discovering this channel was the best thing that happened in my year so far! Thanks for everything you do
Joe is great, glad you found his channel! I’m reading his book The Early Church Was The Catholic Church. It’s great. Highly recommended
@@RobertW-ByzantineCatholic no it wasn't, Robert!
don't you have a Christian Bible -- or do you just ignore It?
@@tony1685 try to read it everyday. And it objectively was. The 1st and 2nd century Christians share a theology and hierarchy with the Catholic Church. Feel free to read their writings directly to see what they believed. The Didache, and the letters of St Ignatius of Antioch are a good place to start if you want to know how the earliest Christians believed and exercised their faith.
@@RobertW-ByzantineCatholicyou’re being deceived. We are not to follow catholic religion
@@tony1685 we catholics have a bible. we read the writings of the early christians in understanding the bible because they hear the gospel straight from the apostles. my question is that what make you think that your personal interpretation of the bible is most accurate compare to the early christians?
I'm speechless, my mind is blown. This is a stunning and beautiful explanation. Please pray for me and my husband and our journey home to Rome.
Will pray a novena for you that the holy spirit will show you the fullness of the Catholic faith
Why this isnt the most popular catholic channel, i will never understand. Heck it should be the top christian channel period.
Dr Brant Pitre has also presented great videos on Catholic apologetics. Many wish he was more productive.on UA-cam.
Because he finds obscure sermons and calls that "protestant theology", and makes blatant fallacious errors in misquoting those he criticises.
People like Trent Horn and Pints With Aquanas are "winsom" and charitable.
He is not.
@@ravissary79Care to give an example?
@@brittoncain5090 it's in this very video. He just chops up sermons and then says that's protestant theology.
Does he actually read protestant theology texts? Does he dialog with protestant theologians? Does he even try, or is he content to just build mountains of straw to burn to make cheap emotive content for gullible fans to consume?
@@ravissary79 So what has he claimed to be protestant theology that he's wrong about?
"They're confusing prayer and worship" - Exactly !!
I thank God that I woke up today a Catholic Christian! As a hard core, devout Protestant most of my adult life, my conversion was extremely unlikely. Yet God, through Mary, finally got through to me. My objections to Catholicism were based mostly on assumptions about what I thought was official teaching. It is hard though, because of an endemic blindness in Protestant circles about Catholicism that you see in the clips Joe shows in the video. When you hear it your entire life, it’s hard to overcome. The key is having a teachable spirit and a willingness to follow the truth wherever it leads. Stay curious my friends!
🎉🎉🎉🎉We are very happy for you and all converts you shall bring in, in time 😀 Welcome Home
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@@CatholicSaintslayIncorruptJesus NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO PRAY TO MARY or deceased people
@TriciaPerry-mz7tc The church unfolds its doctrines over time. New Testament Saint's have been entering heaven for 2000 years, and so the unfolding plan of God never ends but renews with ongoing Glories. Jesus promised the gates of hell will not Prevail & with the saints family help for us each it doesn't. Just as the angels help us!!
Amen!
When I was a "bible Christian" I could not even connect the single dot that I had.
Richness. Family. Body of Christ. It is not Him and us. He is the Head and we are His Body.
1 Corinthians 1:10-17
New International Version
A Church Divided Over Leaders
10 I appeal to you, brothers and sisters,[a] in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11 My brothers and sisters, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12 What I mean is this: One of you says, “I follow Paul”; another, “I follow Apollos”; another, “I follow Cephas[b]”; still another, “I follow Christ.”
13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15 so no one can say that you were baptized in my name. 16 (Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don’t remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel-not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Church
Easton's Bible Dictionary - Church
Church [N] [S]
Derived probably from the Greek kuriakon (i.e., "the Lord's house"), which was used by ancient authors for the place of worship.
In the New Testament it is the translation of the Greek word ecclesia, which is synonymous with the Hebrew kahal of the Old Testament, both words meaning simply an assembly, the character of which can only be known from the connection in which the word is found. There is no clear instance of its being used for a place of meeting or of worship, although in post-apostolic times it early received this meaning. Nor is this word ever used to denote the inhabitants of a country united in the same profession, as when we say the "Church of England," the "Church of Scotland," etc.
We find the word ecclesia used in the following senses in the New Testament:
• It is translated "assembly" in the ordinary classical sense ( Acts 19:32 Acts 19:39 Acts 19:41 ).
• It denotes the whole body of the redeemed, all those whom the Father has given to Christ, the invisible catholic church ( Ephesians 5:23 Ephesians 5:25 Ephesians 5:27 Ephesians 5:29 ; Hebrews 12:23 ).
• A few Christians associated together in observing the ordinances of the gospel are an ecclesia ( Romans 16:5 ; Colossians 4:15 ).
• All the Christians in a particular city, whether they assembled together in one place or in several places for religious worship, were an ecclesia. Thus all the disciples in Antioch, forming several congregations, were one church ( Acts 13:1 ); so also we read of the "church of God at Corinth" ( 1 Corinthians 1:2 ), "the church at Jerusalem" ( Acts 8:1 ), "the church of Ephesus" ( Revelation 2:1 ), etc.
• The whole body of professing Christians throughout the world ( 1 Corinthians 15:9 ; Galatians 1:13 ; Matthew 16:18 ) are the church of Christ.
The church visible "consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion, together with their children." It is called "visible" because its members are known and its assemblies are public. Here there is a mixture of "wheat and chaff," of saints and sinners. "God has commanded his people to organize themselves into distinct visible ecclesiastical communities, with constitutions, laws, and officers, badges, ordinances, and discipline, for the great purpose of giving visibility to his kingdom, of making known the gospel of that kingdom, and of gathering in all its elect subjects. Each one of these distinct organized communities which is faithful to the great King is an integral part of the visible church, and all together constitute the catholic or universal visible church." A credible profession of the true religion constitutes a person a member of this church. This is "the kingdom of heaven," whose character and progress are set forth in the parables recorded in Matthew 13 .
The children of all who thus profess the true religion are members of the visible church along with their parents. Children are included in every covenant God ever made with man. They go along with their parents ( Genesis 9:9-17 ; 12:1-3 ; 17:7 ; Exodus 20:5 ; Deuteronomy 29:10-13 ). Peter, on the day of Pentecost, at the beginning of the New Testament dispensation, announces the same great principle. "The promise [just as to Abraham and his seed the promises were made] is unto you, and to your children" ( Acts 2:38 Acts 2:39 ). The children of believing parents are "holy", i.e., are "saints", a title which designates the members of the Christian church ( 1 Corinthians 7:14 ). (See BAPTISM .)
The church invisible "consists of the whole number of the elect that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one under Christ, the head thereof." This is a pure society, the church in which Christ dwells. It is the body of Christ. it is called "invisible" because the greater part of those who constitute it are already in heaven or are yet unborn, and also because its members still on earth cannot certainly be distinguished. The qualifications of membership in it are internal and are hidden. It is unseen except by Him who "searches the heart." "The Lord knoweth them that are his" ( 2 Timothy 2:19 ).
The church to which the attributes, prerogatives, and promises appertaining to Christ's kingdom belong, is a spiritual body consisting of all true believers, i.e., the church invisible.
• Its unity. God has ever had only one church on earth. We sometimes speak of the Old Testament Church and of the New Testament church, but they are one and the same. The Old Testament church was not to be changed but enlarged ( Isaiah 49:13-23 ; 60:1-14 ). When the Jews are at length restored, they will not enter a new church, but will be grafted again into "their own olive tree" ( Romans 11:18-24 ; Compare Ephesians 2:11-22 ). The apostles did not set up a new organization. Under their ministry disciples were "added" to the "church" already existing ( Acts 2:47 ).
• Its universality. It is the "catholic" church; not confined to any particular country or outward organization, but comprehending all believers throughout the whole world.
• Its perpetuity. It will continue through all ages to the end of the world. It can never be destroyed. It is an "everlasting kindgdom."
Thank you for covering this. The "Jesus tore the veil" argument was one I have ran into trouble defending the Catholic teaching about.
This is incredibly useful and rarely talked about. I’ve never heard a defense of Catholicism from this angle before, and certainly none as in-depth as this. Thank you Joe! Thank you also for doing the AMA with the Catholic Diocese of Discord. We really enjoyed the event and your answers!
One of the things that drew me to Catholicism in the communion of the saints which I saw in Scripture & I needed in my life as I have limited family 😁🌹🙏
Thank you. With few living relatives, I can relate. We all need each other. Love God and neighbor as yourself was never an either /or proposition. We are all on the same vine.
@@billpletikapich5640 the saints in heaven and in purgatory are are family
❤✝️Beautiful!! We are the family of God, brothers and sisters in Christ.
Where in scripture did you see that?
@@MasterKeySolutions read the entirety. of Scripture. .Its so fundamental It is in the Nicene Creed . for 1800 years.
I get this all the time, I’m glad someone is addressing it
I'm 76 years old. I converted to Catholicism in 1970. I have found little intellectual side to Protestants and much bias, including amazing talents for dancing around anything you explain to them. Great dancers.
Raised Catholic. Left the Church. When I was called back to the Faith, I first explored different Protestant sects. None of them could deal with John 6 in a coherent way. They were great at dancing around the obvious meaning of the Text. So I went back to the Church. Praise God for you and me!
hard to dancing while kneeling so much in worship. Besides who danced at Calvary. Great to have converts in the Church.
Are they allowed to dance?
@@danieldoherty5034 Yes, but only because of Kevin Bacon.
@@michaelogrady232 in the bible, U will find CHURCH n CHURCHES but not catholic church. So when U say U went back to the catholic church, it does not make sense. It's like going out of the church Jesus established with the apostles.
The Hesch! Something that gets me is that some people can't get past the question of, "Can saints hear you when you ask for their intercession?" I usually say two things: 1. Jesus talked to Moses and Elijah at the transfiguration. 2. God can do anything that is within reason, and there is no reason God could not allow this.
But people still don't understand that it can and does happen. The way that many have become canonized is because someone prayed for their intercession and then received a miracle from God. I don't know how much clearer it can be.
Revelation says angels and martyrs in heaven are aware of what happens on earth.
Yes. It seems that every time that we ask someone to pray for us, we are asking for intercession. I suppose the commanded to love our neighbors as ourselves is a command for intercession ?
I typically ask if they have read Luke 20: 37-38: "But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’ He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.”
No one comes to the father but through me...Jesus said
Are you to believe Jesus or the church
Paul wrote letter to the saints of the churches ie christians
@Redwarfa yes, that passage is about Salvation through Jesus, which Catholics believe in. We do NOT believe that Saints have anything to do with our Salvation.
I was panicking this morning when I didn’t see a new episode
Lol same
Same. My day was almost ruined lol
I was running through my morning podcasts going “Where is it?!?”
My morning was not the same. Joe, don't play with my heart
Same!
I live a pretty simple life. When a new Joe Heschmeyer video drops I watch it.
Omg that first clip made me face palm. If the torn veil means we don't need priests, I can only assume this person has never read ANY of the Epistles since they are literally interchurch letters between bishops. So you are really saying Peter and Paul were wasting time writing letters to bishops who didn't need to exist.
Also, why does that man and McArthur go to church at all? Why should anyone listen to him at all if we are all priests? C'mon, guys. That kind of Prot exegesis is directly linked to the rise of the New Atheists.
I try to be kind, but arguments like that first clip make me sincerely question the intelligence of everyone who willfully goes to hear that person preach every week.
😂 that's true if we all are priest maybe johm mc. Should allow to collect the weekly offerings and take turns collecting 😅😅
I often often doubt that protestants actually read the Bible. Just verses
@@chase6579 They don't. A Catholic that listens in Mass will go through the whole Bible in 3 years, just by being there. Protestants barely read Scripture, on average.
(Evangelicals do make the attempt, though, but they barely get any instruction, and aren't even introduced into how to conduct proper exegesis)
Edit: Evangelicals also usually neglect the Old Testament altogether, I've even seen copies of their Bibles that just don't include it at all. That also leads to weird opinions even among the more scholarly Evangelicals, like the idea salvation in the Old Covenant was based on works and not on Faith. Or that you needed a priest for intercessions. Or clerical authority, church structure, obedience, prayer vs worship, what/how to sing in Church, how a Liturgy should look like, purgatory (yes, it's there, and all modern Jews believe in it), etc.
@@chase6579 The problem is that they have "Rome-a-phobia" so they have this HUGE disconnect between what was understood at the time the Bible was written and want to reinterpret everything from a modern western mindset. So, they "reinterpret" what a "house church" was and just assume it is like their modern "small groups" where everyone just gets together and eats some food, sings a couple songs and does a Bible Study. They don't understand that the "house church" was still a liturgical worship service.
The issue is that we have to define our terms. The positions of church leadership described in the Bible, like Presbyters(elders, the word we get priest from, usually spoken of as a group of godly men leading a church together), Episkopos (overseer or bishop, used interchangeably with priest/presbyter) Deacons( lower than the elders/overseers and primarily servants and administrators in the church-see St. Stephen and the others in Acts 6) and Apostles (those with special authority from Christ to judge and teach like Peter and Paul, not the same as bishops) are not necessarily the same as the modern systems of church leadership seen in the Catholic OR Protestant churches. If you read the NT, you will get a picture of church organization that does not look very much like the Catholic system at all, which has included elements of the priestly system from the Old Testament. To make it short, just because you can point to a "bishop" in the NT does not mean you have justified the current functions and position of bishops in the Catholic church- it's just a title that has been defined differently by different people.
I was getting worried, I thought I wouldn't be able to get my weekly Popery.
Thanks for your patience! We had to reshoot this one last minute.
Me too!
Your prays has been answered
The fact that that Protestant pastor said literally everything except the truth about priests….. the spiritual warfare is crazy and very sneaky in Protestantism. Thank you for doing God’s work!
This video makes so much sense as to why Luther wanted to remove Hebrews from the Bible, it's much too Catholic!! Thanks again Jo for setting the record straight!! ❤️
The earliest Catholics were Hebrews. So it should not be suprising.
Same with the Epistle of St. James
What I have never been able to figure out is why other churches find it necessary to preach against the Catholic Church and our beliefs instead of preaching about God’s love and goodness and acceptance of us all. I don’t think it’s a very Christian like practice. Thank you Joe for your channel! It’s very inspiring!
The catholic church is the big dawg. It's tough bein' th' bigdawg.
Because if they don't, Protestantism has no reason to exist anymore
Thank you, Joe! You are such a blessing to the Church, particularly for those of us passing the faith to our children.
According to Mac Arthur I can save my money and not attend his church.
Good one!
Yup. You don’t gotta do nothing you’re either saved or not
@@kcollinsgallhollcom Judas Iscariot was likely baptized and an apostle of Jesus. I don’t think he made it to the kingdom.
@@fivecrosses9040welp there you go lol
😂😅 That made my day 👍
True story and it just happened a few minutes ago. I was watching a youtube live chat thing its a group that meets weekly based on Carl Jungs works. Today they were talking about religion and were trashing the Catholic church. I watched till i couldnt take it any longer and commented im outta here!
Then my sister texted me outta the blue a beautiful picture of a deer in her backyard and it was inches away from a large St Francis statue and had its head and neck outstretched to the Saints face almost as if it were kissing his face.
That to me is a small miracle when i needed it most 🙏🏽💙🙏🏻💙🙏🏾 Praise the Lord ! And to make it a double one this popery popped up on my youtube feed right after all that !
Holy cow, I’ve been hearing Protestants talk about this subject for so Long… I completely missed this simple truth about the context!! I love this channel. ❤
Hey Joe, I have been enjoying your videos on you tube. I’m a Catholic Convert and come from a Wesleyan holiness movement ,that has this belief called “Entire Sanctification “ .
I have not seen a good Catholic video on this subject. Maybe I could persuade you to do one.
If I'm understanding it right, "Entire Sanctification" is reaching such a state that you literally stop sinning any more.
To Catholics, that's the mission and goal of every Christian. Through grace, we get sanctified. I'm pretty sure we see "entire sanctification" as possible, with one caveat.
While it is indeed wicked to say such and such is condemned to hell, it is perfectly Biblical that any one person may fall away. We do not know, and we are not meant to know, if tomorrow will be the last day we sin. St. Peter made it clear, we are to be kept in our toes.
It is presumptuous, arrogant and highly dangerous to assume yourself already perfect. You do not know that. Be vigilant, keep your candles lit and ready.
"Be sober and vigilant. Your opponent the devil is prowling around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, steadfast in faith, knowing that your fellow believers throughout the world undergo the same sufferings." - 1 Peter 5:8-9
You should focus on the journey. Take solace in that things will get easier, by the grace of God, through the union with Christ, but don't grow complacent. The moment you may think you defeated the demons battling for your soul, they'll appear somewhere else in your heart, like cockroaches. Squash them, purify yourself, and never stop. A Soldier of Christ must keep watch.
What is "Entire Sanctification as preached by Wesleyan movement"?
@billpletikapich5640 they believe they can become sinless in this life, on earth.
Ultimately, I do not think Protestants understand the Body of Christ. I think Gabi is absolutely right about that.
Romans 12:5 KJV So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another...
1 Corinthians 12:27 KJV Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.
@@richardjackson7887
Thank you for those quotes.
Now…What does that mean to you?
If you interpret that to mean that
(1) you can belong to one of a number of sects in division & disunity that can’t even agree on how to be saved,
(2) you have no authority on Scripture interpretation,
(3) you believe the “church” to be a nebulous invisible entity without any actual cohesion among members of the Body for those who claim this,
then there’s a good likelihood that you don’t understand what the Body - the Church - is.
🤔
@@richardjackson7887 Also, Ephesians 5:25-33. We ARE the body of Christ - the incarnation of our assumed Lord and Bridegroom. Through His Holy Spirit, we continue the work HE began, by joining our suffering to his suffering in service to bringing His life into the world. For this reason, The Catholic Church declares there is no life outside the church… for just as the incarnate God enters the world through Mary, the resurrected Christ enters the world through His Bride, the church. How Beautiful the feet that bring the sound of good news and the love of Her king. (Paraphrase Isaiah 52:7)
@@vinciblegaming6817
Jesus did not represent God he is God!
John 1:1-3 KJV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2. The same was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made...
John 1:14 KJV And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:12-13 KJV But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13. Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God...
God entered the world through his son Jesus who is God. I thought you were ignorant but your stupid which can't be fixed!
Pray to Mary who must be your God, your pagan God. Guess scripture taught you noting because God has not made a new covenant with you!
Jesus is the veil that was removed so we can have access to the throne room.
Isaiah 53:1-9 KJV Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? 2. For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. 3. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. 4. ¶ Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. 5. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. 7. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. 8. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. 9. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
John 1:29-30 KJV ...The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. 30. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Says what it means, no interpretation necessary but more study to fully understand ! But your to lazy to take the time to listen to the one that created all things!
His children listen to him and not others
Matthew 4:4 KJV ... It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of Go...
Written in the old covenant, look it up!
Thanks for dropping this on my lap Joe. I’ve been debating with a non-Catholic who has referenced Hebrews and the veil. This has saved me a lot of effort!
I’d add, Peter the rock receiving keys: the rock being the foundation stone of the new covenant carried through the church, and the keys being the sole right to open and enter the holy of holies - these ideas were known to Jews at the time. It is symbolic. Peter was to be the new high priest on earth for the church on earth, and the keys would be passed on to his successor.
Not just symbolic, regarding Peter and his keys. Jesus also has a key. There's a mystery here too.🙂🙏
totally agree with you about Matthew 16 and Peter being the Rock. Have you ever read or watched Dr. Brant Pitre on Matthew 16 and the Jewish Roots of the Papacy? Super powerful.
Don't forget 1Tim 3:15 Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. Mt 18:17-18 if he refuses to listen even to the Church.
It seems the claim is that one doesn't need a priest because they are in the way, an obstacle. But one does need a Rev or a Pastor or some self certified Non-denominational Spiritual Guidance Counselor to be sure that you are getting the authentic teaching of the bible? Makes no sense to me.
Pastors and teachers are gifts to the Church. Ephesians 4v11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,
I really like the new editing with the text directly on screen instead of the window in the corner showing the slides
Glad you like it! Trent Horn and I just started working with a new video editor, Thomas, who is off to a great start!
Many thanks. The Eucharist runs very very deep.
All the clips of Protestants describing "Catholic" beliefs are cringeworthy.
I've run into many prots telling me stuff that their SBC/evangelical preachers had told them about Catholics, almost exclusively falsehoods no basis in reality much like this "preacher"in this video.
Agreed
I've been learning so much about the religion, but almost every time I hear an objection, they don't go for the things that would be difficult to respond properly. No, they go for falsehoods that are easily refuted by a minute of research or an inquiry to a priest or even a layman. The same goes for the arguments of most atheists, they don't go for the challenging ones (I haven't met one yet who actually knows what God even is, in its basic definition, seems like all the competent atheists died a century ago)... or go for things like "why God do this?" which is so silly a thing to ask. As the Lord said to Job (such an amazing book!) after Job asked why, as he did not understand, "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the Earth? Tell me, if you have understanding."
Ultimately, it seems I'm mostly learning for my fellow Catholics and my own edification. Sometimes it does help, for the genuinely curious Protestants, but I wish more were honest in their questions and genuinely sought truth. That attitude is dangerous to the soul.
It’s so sad the these preachers think it’s okay to denigrate the Catholic Church and insult Catholic Christians.
Yes, cringeworthy and just plain hateful. Chock full of prideful judgment and intolerance but they call themselves Christian.
Let’s go baby, new Shameless Popery video. It’s a good day!
The Vatican is the home of demons and the home of the False Prophet of the end times.
I love this explanation. In the Jewish mind, the tearing of the veil wouldn't have signaled an end to priesthood or intercession or religious institutional structure, because Jesus was clearly establishing something with structure that included preistly function in his apostles. It would have signaled the end of God dwelling in the one temple in Jerusalem and relocating to a new temple, the body of Christ, his Church, and our individual bodies (as the apostles articulate in Scripture), the new local(s) of proper worship to God in the New Covenant.
As it's been said. The old covenant had one alter and many sacrifices. The New covenant has many alters, one sacrifice.
I think the reason Protestants have such an incoherent argument about prayer and the priesthood, and one that is directly contradicted by Scripture, is because the first thing the “reformers” did was eliminate the true presence and sacrifice of the Mass. Go to a Protestant service. It’s public prayer, praise, and sometimes a Bible study. None of these things are worship. But because they think prayer=worship, they conflate the two when reading Scripture. In the Old Covenant, yes, only a Levitical priest, in the temple, could properly offer the people’s sacrifice to God. This is the prefigurement of the Catholic or Orthodox Priest having the juridical authority to offer the sacrifice of the Eucharist to God. True worship. As was done and understood for a millennia and a half. But Protestants no longer believe in the sacrifice of the Mass, so they don’t have what every Christian for the first 1500 years understood to be the proper worship of God. All they have is the prayer they think is the same as worship. Since they don’t need a priest to pray, they think they don’t need a priest to worship. (I started typing this before I finished the video. Sounds like Joe is about to start making this point far better than I could.)
Because most Protestants don’t have altars & don’t offer liturgical sacrificial worship, they don’t understand worship, hence, not “church”, more like synagogue with prayer & teaching.
As a protestant, we don't think prayer is worship. At least not on its own. One can worship in their prayer, but is not exclusive.
@@frenchtoast2319 what is worship to you?
I could have misinterpreted your initial comment but it seems like you are implying that THE way to worship God is through mass? Don't get me wrong, worship can OCCUR at mass, just as it can occur at a church service. But I don't see a biblical case that presents mass as the new testament form of worship.
@@RobertW-ByzantineCatholic So I'd be curious as to where scripture teaches that the offering of the eucharistic mass is worship new testament worship. I keep referring to new testament worship because Jesus states in John 4 that there is a specific kind of worship the Father is seeking:
John 4:23-24 RSV
[23] But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for such the Father seeks to worship him. [24] God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
Romans gives us a glimpse into true worship in the new covenant:
Romans 12:1 RSV
[1] I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.
Jesus even says it will not be about the physical location of the worship....we know this would have been controversial to the Jewish and Samaritan audience because of their association of the temple with the right place for worship.....
John 4:20-21 RSV
[20] Our fathers worshiped on this mountain; and you say that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.” [21] Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.
Thanks again Joe. Love this podcast so much. I can feel safe on the internet here
this is one of you’re best videos yet brother, praise God!
John MacArthur can preach without moving his lips. You gotta give him credit for THAT at least.
If only he actually made sense though when he preached.
@@BramptonAnglican you're "part of the lgbtq community"? How is that compatible with being a Christian?
😂 so true
It’s cause it’s all coming out of his ass.
Just as many in the early Church sought the mediation and intercession of mere human beings like Peter and Paul and their prayers and shadow and handkerchiefs, so too even now, for NOT EVEN DEATH CAN SEPARATE US! Especially the Mother of God, she who moved her Son and Lord to perform His public miracle, even though it was not yet His hour, touched by His Mother's compassion for the wedding couple, as the prayers of a righteous person have great power in it's effects, as we are God's coworkers! Jesus Christ teaches that when we die, we become like Angels, and Angels present our prayers before the throne of God! Protestants Pastors are so entertaining! They aren't Biblical, but entertaining! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!
You put this together and presented it with a select excellence. Thank You.
When is your first debate? You got lawyer skillz and did well with Ortlund dialogue. Can't let Akin and Horn have all the fun.
Fun fact: Joe IS a lawyer (though retired, to focus on Apologetics)
@@crusaderACR I'm aware. That's why I mentioned it ;)
I'm a "Protestant" and the whole time I watched the pastor from 11:20 on talking about intercession, I was shaking my head and saying 'wrong, wrong, that is not what the Catholics believe or practice'.
I have seen many protestants use this argument. Thank you for addressing this!
Absolutely insanely good… Every video I watch I end up either in tears or sitting with my mouth open or hand on my head… because I just can’t believe I never understood scripture before. I usually come to understand where you’re going with things quickly and then I just sit flabbergasted the rest of the video. 😂
👀… they open now. Praise God.
Commenting a bit early, so I'm interested to hear the rest of the video, but I wanted to say that I've been Protestant for 35 years and I've never heard anything so ridiculous as the examples used for Protestant belief about priesthood or praying to the saints. I agree that there are varying forms of ignorance about Catholicism and they tend to bring about most of the disagreements, but the examples of protestant belief in the first 15 minutes of this video represent a level of extreme ignorance I haven't seen in 3 .5 decades of being a Protestant.
Update over halfway through: Great explanations. Very clear, agree wholeheartedly. Love the thorough and logical way everything is mapped out.
This was just amazing! Tons of hard work and dedication was clearly done to put this together. Very much appreciated!
I can’t get enough of this. It’s brilliant. And I take great delight when Joe gets that little twinkle in his eyes and impish grin, knowing he just blew up the opponents nonsensical position.
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful. I love all the historical quotations and careful study put into your videos.
Another excellent video. It really hammered home the point of sacrifice, the flow of how worship and sacrifice are linked from the old testament to today. Fulton Sheen did a talk about sin. He made the point that sin being in the blood and how it’s linked to guilt, sacrifice, and worship.…. It was very relevant to Joe’s video.
It’s crazy to me as a Protestant convert, i used to think the veil being torn was god’s way of giving access to all people what was only allowed by the high priest. Making us ALL the high priest (nation of priests) and everytime we eat bread or drink wine we should remember him in memorial. In doing that, we were essentially carrying out the high priest’s orders.
So silly i know…. dont judge me, not all of us are lucky enough to realize the truth of the catholic church before their 40’s 🙈. In my defense, i learned it from James White…. I thought he was the smartest. Didnt make a ton of sense to me but that’s how it was with many many teachings of JW
I never received proper formation even though i went to a Catholic high school. Thank you for this explanation of Jesus' sacrifice and the priesthood.
I was a Protestant for 47 years. Usually this is implied when a Protestant says let's boldly go Before the Throne of God. This statement usually accompanies the argument about the veil being torn.
This was really informative! Thankyou!
I like the temple veil. Thanks for teaching us.
Thanks Joe. I've often heard this error and didn't know how to begin to answer it. Thanks for refuting it so comprehensively with Scripture and tradition. Blessings!
I might be missing something, but wouldn’t the entire book of Psalms disprove the notion that people couldn’t pray directly to God before the Temp,e Veil was torn?
It would indeed!
No one ever said people could not pray to God in the Old Testament. Certainly no Protestants I know!,,
@@mikekayanderson408so why so many protestants listen to that pastor weekly if they do not agree with him???
Great Job breaking down the subjects. Thank You for all your hard work to help understand the Word 🙏🏽
As a life-long Protestant, I have never heard the argument when the veil was torn, we were able to go directly to God in prayer. Rather I was taught that we no longer had to go through a priest for the confession and remission of sins, as it was under the Old Covenant, but rather we could go directly to Christ as He is our High Priest and the ultimate Sacrifice under the New Covenant.
"Rather I was taught that we no longer had to go through a priest for the confession and remission of sins, as it was under the Old Covenant..." This is not even an accurate explanation of the temple sacrificial system.
the old covenant was a figure and a shadow of the New, so that there must needs be various fundamental analogies between the two cultic systems - but the protestant always try to reduce that relationship by only considering the analogy between the sacrificial victim and Jesus crucified - they don't want to consider the fact that God established an organized, communal worship, where the function of the priest was essential for making the animal beintg offered an offer of the people of Israel - similarly, they don't want to consider the meaning of the ritual of consuming the flesh of the animal that was sacrificed in order to receive the forgiveness of sins - a clear, direct analogy with the communion in the flesh of Christ in the Eucharist - etc
@catherinehuyck9154 very well explained!
The veil example is not so much a misinterpretation as a misapplication of what Jesus did by Protestants
Did you listen to the whole video?
This is a great explanation! I need to listen to it more than once to get it all.
Hannah, the mother of Samuel, also prayed fervently for a child in the temple. So yeah, OT Jews did pray.
Thank you brother in Christ - Joe H. for yet another great work done. It is explicit that this video on its face, very informative. Most importantly, thank you for clarifying this misconception (among others) by the protestants. You're are a true gift to the one and true Catholic and Apostolic Church. I pray for God's continuous blessings upon you, your family, and your ministry.
Amen.
-A priest is a man elected to offer sacrifice (divine honors, 'worship') on behalf of the people to the god or God.
-the veil being torn is not a sanctification of the nations. It is a desecration of the old temple and the old rites.
-prayer is not worship; without sacrifice, there is no worship.
Therefore:
-Protestants have no priests and no sacrifice, so Protestants do not worship God.
Change my mind.
The mass isn’t the only type of sacrifice a Christian can offer. Baptism makes all Christians priests: “Be you also as living stones built up, a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.” (1 Peter 2:5). So it isn’t impossible for Protestants to worship God.
@@joaopedrodesousacarvalho1558 It is true P's believe in the priesthood of believers. However, they don't really believe in sacrifice of believers, do they? You very rarely hear anything about offering up one's suffering in union with Christ for the Church or for other believers. This would be true priesthood. They have priests, but they don't do anything. That is the problem.
Agree, the broken veil is not to let us enter the Holy of Holies but to let God leave the Holy of Holies
Romans 12:1-2 - “I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of the mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect”. According to Paul, spiritual worship is us presenting our bodies and minds to being confirmed to Christ as a living sacrifice. So yes, Protestants do worship God.
Read Hebrews 7,8&9. Read the Bible as a whole text . No verses in the Bible. It was broken down into verses to make it easier to memorize. Memorization is not understanding. Read the Bible for yourself.
This is simply outstanding, Joe. Thank you.
I can't count how many times I've heard this tired protestant argument against intercession and the priesthood. They have no concept of the context of the scripture they quote ad nauseum. They only read scripture with their modern presuppositions. The veil being torn has nothing to with prayer.
Jesus Christ told us to pray directly to the Father. Catholics have indeed added things to the scriptures
@@samuelotache9239Come on, you cannot be by the river side and cry of thirst😢... Bro you need understand.
@@samuelotache9239 or you removed them? remember their was 72 books in the bible for 1500 years until luther removed some to his benefit. careful of your accusations.
@@samuelotache9239 Jesus also told us to call NO one FAther. I guess i disobey that literally. how about you do you obey God's word by calling the person who co create you as co-creator of your MOther ?
@@samuelotache9239 In our faith we since Christ is the head and we the believer is HIS body. It means that where their is a catholic Faithful Christ body exist. If a catholic dies he/she is still a member of our church. IN the bible we can clearly read the presence of Saints in heaven Hebrews 12:1-2, which says, "Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us, fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith".
Since those Saints are still part of our Church we ask for them to pray for us. Ephesians 6:18
New International Version
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
We also believe that prayer of the righteous are effective like the Saints. James 5:16 “The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.” -
This is terrific. Thank you so much!
"You don't need no man to go to God for you." This was the last thing Sheila needed to hear before starting her own church, Taste and See Ministries. Only the Bible was going to be preached there.
Thank you! Best explanation I've heard about the temple veil. Very indepth, great scripture references, just fabulous . Amen brother 🙏
Some prodestants are just misinformed and humble enough to hear the truth, but often what I hear is prodestants just being willfulyy ignorant because of their pride. It's always pride. Im right, and your wrong is their mantra. Im honestly tired of all the shenanigans. If you answer one objection, they just change the subject.
Another great video, Joe! Howdy from Modesto, CA. Hope to have you back to our parish in the future. God bless 🙌
Why do we need anything if the veil is torn?
What does "the veil is torn" mean?
This is my favorite episode thus far. Mega- good job 👍 😊
It just shows how self-interpretation can not do the job well.
Just like trying to explain the Eucharist to Protestants.
23:00 the gotcha tactics of protestants are exhausting. I once heard one of their representatives say the we’re praying the Lord’s Prayer because it says “as we forgive those”. The contention is since we’re not very forgiving, we risk not being forgiven. I think the point of Our Redeemer was lost there.
Just so you are aware… and I am not doing a gotcha… but if you are going to speak about these things you need to actually know the scriptures…. Read this carefully… this is Jesus himself talking….”14 For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Matthew 6:14-15 | NIV
That is straight after the Lord’s Prayer for context. The previous 4 verses are the Lord’s Prayer. Please read that fully and see if your original interpretation might have been wrong.
@@travelwithroland2 by all means…and I’m not remembering the exact point I was trying to make, but I do understand what the Lord’s Prayer is saying. The “gotcha” I was referring to was in saying we should be correcting the verbiage of the prayer because we might be condemning ourselves for saying what it means. I thought that comment as saying, let’s trick God into our salvation by lukewarming our words. Obviously, my brain is moving faster than I write, because I left out a word and later that clarifying statement in my previous post.
@@ManuelHernandez-xt8pr mmm. Thank you for the clarification.
I often think that the Lord’s Prayer was about HOW to pray not what to pray.
@@travelwithroland2it was both. They are using HAIL MARY and it’s obviously to a nonexistent Virgin Mary. Try to help catholic people is a waste. They love and live lies. They worship and pray to A Mary and then lie. They don’t know what or who they pray to. I’ve seen and heard it. They will twist and manipulate the Gospel to make you think MARY IS GOD MOTHER when God don’t have a mother
They will also Tell you the Pope was sent and THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES with authority and can give salvation. They are lost and under strong delusions
It’s another Christ and Mary. Don’t listen to them. Dust your feet and move on. JESUS SPECIFICALLY TAUGHT AGAINST THEM VAIN repetitious prayers and OUTWARD SHOWING OF PIETY
GENUFLECTING and making the sign of the cross and constantly using beads and rosaries. False false doctrine teachers
ACCURSED
The Eucharist is the new and living way. Hebrews 19:20,21 “we …enter the sanctuary BY the blood of Jesus, BY …his flesh,”
The Holy Ghost is the NEW and living way not a SERVING that JESUS put aside. You all are so stuck on a Eucharist it’s a shame.
Thanks Bryan. Not yet but I’m aware of it and interested. Pitre is superb - such a blessing to learn from him.
at 4:27 Joe presents John MacArthur's three contradictory claims about the priesthood as if this is confusing. These three claims actually line up perfectly with the CCC teaching on priesthood:
1. The ministerial priesthood (CCC 1547)
2. The high priesthood of Christ (CCC 1544).
3. The common priesthood of all the faithful (CCC 1535).
So these three categories are not contradictory or confusing to either Catholics or to Protestants. Protestants reject the validity of the ministerial priesthood in the New Covenant because there has been a change in the priesthood (Hebrews 7:12). Catholic priests actually function like the ministerial order of Levitical priests in the OT and that order was ended in the New Covenant. There is simply *no* mention of ministerial priests in the New Testament at all, let alone a whole system based on them.
Romans 15:15-16
"Yet I have written you quite boldly on some points to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit."
Paul, writing to Timothy. 1 Timothy 4:6:
"If you point these things out to the brothers and sisters, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, nourished on the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed."
and then a few verses later in 1 Timothy 4:14
"Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through prophecy when the body of elders laid their hands on you."
And it wasn't only the body of elders, it was Paul himself, 2 Timothy 1:6: "For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands."
I am using the NIV but the body of elders talked about here is the presbyterate in Greek. Do you or any of your elders have their hands laid upon them or lay their hands upon anyone?
1 Timothy 6:20: "Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to your care."
Guarding is a marker of the priesthood (Leviticus 21:53). Did you know that Adam was a priest? He was tasked to work the garden and guard it. Timothy is a priest, tasked to guard his garden, the local church.
2 Timothy 4:5 "But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry."
There is quite clearly a hierarchy, as seen in Titus 1:5, "The reason I left you in Crete was that you might put in order what was left unfinished and appoint elders in every town, as I directed you."
There is definite mention of the ministerial priesthood in the New Testament, and there is a whole system based on it. I don't know what your motive is in trying to say there is no mention, but I pray that you might understand the biblical truth of Catholicism.
@@julianh651 Thanks for your reply. There are a number of good ideas to address here. First of all, yes, in Protestant churches, when a man is entering ministry, the elders lay hands on him for commissioning and ordination. This, as you show, is biblical.
The three Greek words which are significant in this question are:
presbuteros = elder
episkopos = overseer or bishop
hiereus = priest
Paul uses presbuteros (elder) and episkopos (bishop) to describe one and the same office. See Acts 20:17 where Paul calls the elders of the Ephesian church to meet with him. He then addresses them in vs. 28 as bishops. So the hierarchy between those two offices (elders and bishops) is not there.
Paul never uses the word "hiereus", priest, to describe an office or ministerial position in the church. The references to elders, evangelists, ministers are just that - not priests!
Yes I agree that Adam can be seen as a priest of the Garden of Eden and Timothy as caretaker of God's garden, the Church. This is a figurative use of the word priest. And though I agree with the idea, the word is not actually there. So to establish an entire system on a figurative idea is not a solid hermeneutic.
In Romans 15:15, Paul says he has the priestly (yes it is hierus!) duty of spreading the gospel to the Gentiles and then offering *them* to God as an acceptable sacrifice, the fruit of his evangelistic ministry. Paul is not offering a sacrifice to God *for* them or on their behalf (that would be the Catholic/Levitical priesthood) but rather he is offering THEM to God as the fruit of his labors. This use of the word "priestly- ministry" (hierourgeō) occurs only here in the whole NT. Paul never calls himself *a* priest.
The real issue though is the damage done by reconstructing an Old Covenant-like priesthood when the entire book of Hebrews makes so very clear that this should not be done. We are to go to Jesus alone, our High Priest forever in the order of Melchizedek. To place men as intermediaries again is to disregard the enormous and beautiful changes of the New Covenant in His blood.
@@jmferris542 You say that the Catholic priesthood offers sacrifice to God for the people on their behalf. I think there is an idea you get wrong about what goes on during the Mass, that the priests are the ones offering the sacrifice. It might appear that way to someone who does not know what is going on in the Liturgy of the Eucharist and the Eucharistic Prayer (the making of bread and wine into Body and Blood of Christ), but it is Jesus who offers the sacrifice through the priest.
It is true that the Catholic priest offers sacrifice to God, but it is in communion with the people who also offer sacrifice to God. The Catholic priest offers himself, he offers the gifts that the people offer, and he offers the people. I assume that you would find offering the gifts of bread and wine as something like the Levitical priesthood. But it is not the bread and wine which we offer AS a sacrifice. We offer them IN sacrifice. The bread and the wine are not the sacrifice itself. These are not acceptable to God as these have no bearing on him. We offer the gifts IN sacrifice, meaning we offer the gifts as part of OUR sacrifice. It is Jesus himself who offers to God the sacrifice of his body in the Mass, the priest is a vessel to accomplish these means. The priest doesn't offer to God Jesus, the priest offers himself for Jesus so Jesus can offer himself to God. For the sacrifice of Jesus to be made present we must also sacrifice. Mary sacrificed her self to bear Jesus. We sacrifice ourselves to see Jesus.
And the whole issue hinges on the fact that the Eucharist is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ. Because without this fact, then the sacrifice is not a sacrifice but idolatry. But as it is, Jesus' sacrifice is effected and made present to us, a miraculous thing. It is a beautiful event, because we are present with the Lord at his supper, and indeed through his whole Passion, Resurrection, and Ascension. We the people, along with the priest, are all participants in the sacrifice, looking upon Jesus on the cross. We experience the breaking of the veil by the breaking of the bread, we embody the resurrection by partaking of the body and blood, and we are called to mission by the dismissal (Ite, missa est) which reminds us of the Ascension.
The question is, how can you partake FULLY in the New Covenant of Jesus without partaking of His Blood, which is the Blood of the New Covenant? If the Blood is poured out for not only the Apostles, but for the many, and the wine is his Blood, shouldn't you find Jesus pouring more wine for the many?
A man opened the scriptures to two men on the road to Emmaus. They didn't know who this man was but he explained to them everything about Jesus from the times of Moses to all the Prophets. How did the two men know it was Jesus? They didn't, until he broke bread.
@@julianh651 Thanks for the clarification that you believe Christ offers the sacrifice of himself through the priest and as part of the corporate sacrifice of the people. However, in Scripture there is no hint of Christ using a human priest to offer himself (Christ) in the Eucharist at the Lord's Supper. In addition, there is no Scripture which refers to the Lord's Supper as a sacrifice. Do you know of one? The Catholic system has been carefully modified and parsed to accommodate Scripture - but it is simply not described in Scripture.
Hebrews 9:24-25 says,
"For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own..."
The Catholic mass is a sacrifice done repeatedly. (Yes I know they say re-presentation of the once and for all, but it is repeatedly nonetheless.) It is done in holy places made with hands, only copies of the true things in heaven. So the mass takes Israel's Old Covenant practices which are described clearly in Hebrews and puts them into the wine skins of the New Covenant.
Secondly, we believe that spiritual reality is not less than physical reality. Spiritual reality is actually more real, more true, more heavenly. When Jesus says "my flesh is real food" he means spiritual food. And spiritual food is greater not lesser. The Catholic Church collapses spiritual realities into visible physical realities and this is actually a loss, not a gain. What the Eucharist actually is, it is for all true believers gathered to the Lord's table in faith. One church cannot limit the saving work of Christ in those with faith who are in other churches.
Sure, there is no explicit mention of Christ using a human priest to offer himself in the Eucharist at the Lord’s Supper found in scripture. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t implied, or as you say not hinted to. For example, the Greek word for “Do” in “Do this in remembrance of me” is poieó, which could be argued heavily implies Christ instituting the Apostles to offer the Lord’s Supper.
There is also the fact that Christ is present in the Lord’s Supper and offers himself in the Eucharist. Corinthians 10 deals with this. In fact, in this chapter it even talks about what you talk about as spiritual food. Paul says, “They all ate the same spiritual food and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ” (1 Cor 10:3-4). It is clear from these verses that the same food and drink is real food and drink. Moses and friends ate the spiritual food, i.e. manna, and drank the spiritual drink from the rock that was struck. In these elements of bread from heaven and water from miraculous rock are still bread and are still water. The peoples hunger was satiated and the peoples thirst was satiated. Both the bread from heaven and the water from the rock are Christ. And Paul is saying that it is the same food that the Christians have.
Here you might say that now in the New Covenant these foods are purely spiritual, no physicality attached to them. I don’t believe this to be true, because Paul says, “Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry. I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say. Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ? Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.” (1 Cor 10:14-17). It is very clear here that the consecrated cup somehow is a participation in the blood of Christ. And the bread (same bread used in the Our Father, same bread that Jesus calls himself, same bread that figuratively means divine provision) that is broken somehow is a participation in the body of Christ. Verse 17 shows that partaking of the one loaf makes those who share in the one loaf the same body. Ok, so you might still say that it is just a participation, Christ is not present in these items. But if the idea that partaking in one loaf makes you one body, what body are we in if not in the Lord’s? As Jesus said, whoever eats his flesh and drinks his blood remains in him and he does in them, so then it must be his flesh and his blood.
Also, verses 18-22 in 1 Corinthians 10 heavily imply that drinking of the cup of the Lord is sacrifice, because Paul compares those who eat the sacrifices on the altar, who are participants in the altar, to those who drink of the cup of the Lord, who are participants in the Lord. The body and blood is the sacrifice of the Lord. This proves that the Lord’s supper is a sacrifice. If not, then we can look at the word used for “in remembrance of me” which was used in the institution of the Eucharist and Paul uses in 1 Corinthians 11. This word is the Greek word anamnesis. It is used in the Old Testament translation of the Greek Septuagint for the memorial sacrifice offered by the Levitical priests, but in other cases to translate the Hebrew word of commemoration (as seen in Psalm 38:1, Psalm 70:1) which the Levitical priests do in 1 Chronicles 16:4. It is also present in Hebrews 10:3 about the sacrifice having in it a remembrance of sins. The Hebrew word that I just mentioned (zakar) God uses in remembering his covenant with Israel, and is also used for bringing to remembrance iniquity (Numbers 5:15). Therefore this word, anamnesis has sacrificial undertones in its meaning.
The Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice. He pours out his blood HERE, in the Last Supper, as an unbloody pouring out before his bloody sacrifice. Scripture doesn’t explicitly say, “The Lord’s Supper is a sacrifice” because it is evident in the sacrifice and words of our Lord, and in the whole gospel, that it is a sacrifice. It is the culmination of everything before into a covenant meal established between Jesus and his apostles for them to perpetuate forever. There is no repetition in Jesus’ sacrifice. He does it once at the Last Supper, he does it once at Cavalry, he does it once everyday in his Church. In the Catholic Church, there is no “copy” of heavenly things like that of the Old Testament. What we have is the real thing. We have Jesus Christ in the flesh.
I hope this clears up a few things.
Awesome session 👍
May Our Lord n Our Blessed Mother , Bless You in Your Ministry. 🙏🏻
More good stuff....meaningful content that Protestants should absolutely give a listen to. This rich holy faith contains so much beauty & sensible participation as Gods household is the Pillar & Foundation of the truth. We gotta look beyond the superficial modern thinking, but even the Malachi text is blatant 🧐
I've watched this video before, but I'm listening again for a refresher. And, so that I can click the like button and leave a comment. I created a UA-cam account so that I could give likes to Joe and Kenny Burchard. They're my favorites.
Re,. Intercession... I've been in a lot of Protestant churches and nearly all have a "prayer room" where you can go after service and a team of "prayer warriors" will pray with you about whatever is troubling you. And I can't for the life of me figure how this is different from the Catholic practice of asking the saints who have gone before us to pray for us. But my Protestant brethren are absolutely certain that there is a vast difference. Go figure.
Protestantism is not logical!
The issue seems to be with the Protestant concept of the afterlife. In contrast to the Catholic understanding that individual judgment is immediate, the Protestant belief is that those who die go into a “soul sleep” until the Last Judgment, and so they are unable to hear or respond to intercessory prayer.
@@jmj5388 Soul sleep??? Not according to Lk 16:19-31 Is this proof positive that Protestants don't believe in the bible?
@matthewmcdaid7962 Thus day you will be with me in paradise but you will have a hangover and you won't know what is going on.
Excellent..I will Share it. Was there a way to educate people who thought Luther started the Church about the Catholic Bible. Maybe you've done that already. I just have watched you on Catholic Answers..will subscribe.
Personally I never heard of the torn veil argument. It's more "I don't see that anywhere in the Bible"
Where is "altar call" n the Bible?
@@tedpuckett8066ironically, they have no altars 😂 where they do altar-calls😅
@@tedpuckett8066where’s is mass
Eucharist
Pope
Genuflecting
Marian devotion
Cardinal
Nun
All those terms you all use
NOT THERE. NONE
Please put a link to your video on prayer vs worship, in a link during the video or at the end and in the description below the video.
These Protestant preachers are surfing Google for ideas for sermons and are not looking for the full details. Lazy!
Joe chose a very bad example with his second offering g of a preacher so he could rip him apart! A tiny clip of MacArthur . Joe needs to put on some big guns from the Reformed Faith and he - Joe- would not stand a chance! K
@@mikekayanderson408 the 2nd guy was very typical of the sbc and other evangelicals IMHO. As Joe has the truth he can easily defend himself and his reasoning and logic.
@@mikekayanderson408 I haven't met such. Share some names, some that actually know who they're debating against.
@@mikekayanderson408 Who pray tell are these "Big Guns"? Christianity was Catholic until these big guns either a) subtracted enormous parts from Catholicism and called it Reformed and / or b) Act like it all came from the bible and their church fathers, with no record of their early fathers teachings or the origin of their bible.
@@billpletikapich5640NO CHRISTIAN was ever catholic. EVER
IN fact Catholicism originated in Europe Rome
The first church was Jerusalem AND THEY were Jewish.
Joe, thanks so much for this teaching.... You are phenomenal❤
Joe, thanks for your teaching ministry. A very interesting perspective worthy of reflection and further study. Blessings!
Mind blown. Protestants debunked. So much in one video.
No Protestants not debunked at all. Catholics have it quite wrong and accuse us of believing things we do not believe. K
That's a deep lesson. Thanks from NAIROBI KENYA. New sub👊
“You don’t need any priest,” says the protestant preacher because the people of his congregation wouldn’t give that minimum 10% tithes to help feed his wife and children, would they?
With this comment, u r proving to know very little about protestant churches.
Yes, they’re all about the New Covenant until it comes to 10% tithing.
How does the catholic church finances itself? In some countries, a good chunk of it is tax money.
Do u know that 1. Thites are biblical? 2. A pastor has the right to a salary?
The NT does NOT have the office of pastor.
@@Maranatha99Yes, some governments (not the Church) tax churchgoers. But the Catholic Church doesn’t require a 10% tithe from parishoners. Protestants hold onto that from the Old Covenant out of necessity.
So absolutely fantastic the way you weave these contradictory misconceptions of Protestantism into the truth of Catholicism. The tearing of the temple veil compared to the tearing of Jesus's flesh is something I never thought of before. Thank you Joe and keep up the great work.
Viva Christo Rey!!!
You ever wish you could force people to watch/listen/read something with an open and objective mind? I'm convinced that if this was done with this channels videos, everyone would cease to be non Catholic.
couldn't agree more, people like Mcarthur offer hatred and anger more than anything else. They cherry pick what they chose to believe and preach and it is why Luther wanted to take even more books from the Bible than he finally did.
Joe, I love your videos, man!
Being from a Protestant family, i believed that the Veil, which separated the Holy of Holies from the rest of the Temple, was torn to show that humans did not need an intercessor. Only the High Priest could go behind the veil, and only once a year, on the Day of Atonement. In effect, Catholic doctrine put it back, saying that ordinary worshippers could not deal with God directly, but only through the mediation of a priest.
Consider that the earliest Christians did not believe the later Protestant view of the veil. Over 1500 years went by before Protestants somehow developed this erroneous position.
Wow Sir, congrats you did not watch did video at all and if you did it was filled by your ultra high resolution protestant lens...
Cos you and your family have been wrong... Catholics go directly to God and intercessions are not prohibited by God. It's right there in the Bible.
Thank you excellent channel, immediate subscribe. I love your unapologetic style and careful wit.
He’s talking about false assumptions that Protestants make that I have never heard before. He’s making it up
The veil was torn from top to bottom and the Saints were risen from their graves and witnessed by many in the Holy city.
BRILLIANT as always.
Your spending all this time on things that as a protest I wasn’t taught at all. The veil tearing is that the sacrifice has been made right?
This was an awesome and very well made video
Joe, this is amazing! Thank you!
Mister Heshmyer. Today you were late with your posting. I hope all is well