Don't Ever PRACTICE with your MOUTHPIECE. Part I
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- You Should Never , Ever practice just with your mouthpiece if you want be a Good saxophone player. In this video I show you and explain why I recommend this.
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While you do make a good point that sometimes a relaxed jazz embouchure will not be able to generate a sound on the mouthpiece alone, I do think it’s a bit silly to completely disregard mouthpiece exercises and I especially disagree with your notion that practicing on a mouthpiece is harmful - I would argue that not practicing with a mouthpiece is harmful.
Playing your mouthpiece is like exploring the colors of your palette. It unlocks your awareness of the muscles being used for voicing, and it presents challenges that are like gymnastics for control. Playing the sax is like painting the canvas with those colors of your choosing. The more you can do with a mouthpiece alone, the more you can willingly manipulate your sound on the sax to your own choosing.
NOT practicing with a mouthpiece ever would harm one’s sound, because eventually the saxophone’s various imperfections would end up controlling the player’s habits. After some time, the player may feel that they want to change their sound to match one of their heroes, but they have little idea how to change their sound - because they haven’t explored their palette. So then they feel “stuck” with a sound they are unhappy with.
It should be the player that controls the sax’s sound. That control can be developed on the mouthpiece through various exercises. I like to play various scales in a full octave on the mouthpiece in multiple keys, as well as playing melodies such as Happy Birthday or Softly as a Morning Sunrise, etc. This is very difficult at first. But with enough persistence, it becomes easier and very useful.
What an honor for me to have this comment from you in my first video in English! I truly appreciate and respect every aspect of your comment. Even when we see this topic from a different perspective, I will truly try out your advices and then I will make a video talking about my experience with this journey. Maybe is good for me to revisit this mouthpiece routine that I had back in Cuba. Is funny that I used to practice pretty much the same things that you recommended to me. As I said, I will put in practice and I will post the results. Thank you so much for the Feedback.
Dave liebman actually does suggest to practice with the mouthpiece in his course/book "how to develop a personal sound"
Thanks for the Feedback! Joe Lovano is one of his best friends, and he doesn't recommend it. It is so beautiful to see how controversial could be this topic. Have a beautiful day .
@@rolysax yes of course it's good to have both opinion
You definitely should practice with your mouthpiece. You don’t have to all the time, but Look up Joe Allard.
It's beautiful to see how diverse could be this topic, talking about something super elemental in our instrument. Listen to Joe Lovano's thoughts about this. And check out my last video to understand a little bit more about the philosophy behind this technique. Thanks for the Feedback
I respectfully disagree with what you are saying. I do not agree that practising with your mouthpiece ruins your saxophone tone. For starters, the saxophoen embouchure is not static, it is something that changes over time, and is dependent on each person's facial structure. The purpose of voicing a saxophone mouthpiece which is practising with a saxophone mouthpiece is to stop biting on the mouthpiece which most people playing the saxophone do, and they struggle to pay in tune, because they cannot use their tongue and throat position to tune the notes on the saxophone. Your throat moves when you play the saxophone, I can see it clearly on the video. If the person doesn't use playing the saxophone mouthpiece, the learn how to tune the saxophone with tongue and throat position, to tune and intonate notes correctly, how exactly are they mean to improve their tuning. Solve the problem, instead of telling people what not to do. Mouthpiece exercises have never destroyed people's saxophone tone. Poor understanding of embouchure pressure and how to use the throat and tone, lead to poor tone.
Thank you so much for the feedback and thank you for your time To watch the video. This affirmation he is related to my philosophy and approach to the saxophone but more than anything is related to the saxophone players that I listen to; And the ideal of sound that I have by result of this. I just released a new video where I explain in a deeper level this topic; maybe you can find some extra information and understand better why say this. maybe it resonates with you ; or maybe not. But I really loved your and your explanation and your point of view. I used to think the same way . Hope you have a Beautiful week and that we can keep learning together on this beautiful musical journey
I agree with you that playing just the mouthpiece is not useful without purpose. I do feel aiming for a specific pitch while playing just the mouthpiece can improve embouchure shape and strength. I look forward to hearing about playing with the mouthpiece on the crook. You have a great sound.
You have a beautiful tone as well, and our Slapping on the sax is dope man! I just subscribed To your channel, stay connected, and learn from each other.
@Roly Sax absolutely, nice one. Look forward to more content.
Really interesting perspective! I can produce sound on my mouthpiece with no issues towards my embouchure. I dont pinch or squeeze my sound. Weird!
Good video,master where can i find your videos in spanish?
Very interesting position on embouchure, I will put it to test on clarinet immediately.
Go for it! It takes practice to relearn and be aware of relaxing our embouchure. But it's a game changing. Thanks for the feedback.
Yeah, it requires effort to center the tone and timbre with relaxed embouchure. And I guess it requires increased delicacy in your mouthpiece and reed setup.
@@joenremmer7898 when I started relaxing my embouchure and changing my technique I had to move from 3 1/2 to regular 3 reeds. But you don't need to. I will make my next video talking about it. Thank you for spending your time and try it out, I'll take my time and put out another video explaining this topic better!
Good luck with your channel! Jamie 😊
WHAT A HONOR! One of my students was talking about your channel today and Now I see this comment; What a Blessing! Thank you so much for your support and inspiration.
@@rolysax sure thing man!
One can get a lot of work on voicing done with just the mouthpiece. Tongue and throat business can be worked on effectively with just a mouthpiece. Good airstream will produce tones on the mouthpiece with almost no embochure adjustment Play arpeggios and as much scale as you can with just voicing techniques. Of course you play all saxophones with as relaxed as possible lip pressure I've been doing it for 50 yrs on sopranino thru Bass saxophones. people who tighten on alto and soprano sound pinched to me.
I am so glad that we can have different opinions. I am doing a video going a little bit deeper in the WHY I PLAY LIKE THIS. Hope that we can share experiences through that video and find the connection points as Saxophone players.
@@rolysax We certainly agree that playing a saxophone the way many people practice on the mouthpiece will not result in an open clear sound but will result in a constricted sound.
@@zangsax We definitely agree on that. I'm going to post the Second Part video in a couple of hours , and it was your comment the one thing that make me think about why I have this approach to my instrument. Once again; Thanks
John coltrane moment's notice line. Great video btw!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you so much. And yes Coltrane is one of the biggest inspiration ever.
Following for the comments. This is why voicing for jazz can be confusing. There is more research on this recently. You should blow your mouthpiece a whole step or step and a half lower than the recommended pitch for a classical mouthpiece of the same voice.
I don’t think anybody is teaching to just practice on the mouthpiece to make up for practicing on the horn. They are probably saying it is a good exercise to keep your chops together when on tour or something. Yes, it’s not like with a brass mouthpiece and buzzing which can be very beneficial. Our thing is different.
Anyway, thanks for the different perspective!
Andre; thank you so much for the feedback. All is related to the saxophone players that you listen to it and what ypu can learned by watching their videos and deeply listen to thir sound. If you love Marcel Mule and you wanna sound like him, you will disagree with me obviously.I just released a new video explaining in a philosophical level how this affirmation is related to my approach to the music, and then to the Horn. I invite to watch it, maybe you can understand better why affirm this.
Andre I just uploaded a video talking about how and why I practice with the neck instead of with my piece. I invite you to check out; i will like to get some feedback from you.
You're correct. 100%
Thank you so much for sharing this same vision.
This makes sense. What are your thoughts on using mouthpiece only to check voicing, as in what pitch you are tending towards?
Sorry for the late response. I honestly don’t practice at all my mouthpiece voicing so, maybe I am not the best person to answer this. but I try to work on my neck, playing the Note F. (tenor) I just uploaded a video explaining this.
I see exactly what you mean. That makes a lot of sense, thanks for the video.
Yes, you nailed it. And more videos in English please.
Yes, I will definitely start making more videos in English. It is just that I was afraid about my accent. Thank you so much for the Feedback.
@@rolysax Do not worry about the accent. Here in the Czech Republic, you sound perfect!
@@ludekvemola oh wow!!! I'm fascinated about the repercussions of UA-cam. I'll keep putting out content, sharing my experiences in this journey. Thank you for the motivation! 🙏🙏🙏
Good video!!
Thanks for the visit. I am a big fan of your channel. I couldn't believe it when I saw the comment. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
This is a terrible explanation of why to not play with your mouthpiece. Practicing with your mouthpiece and figuring out how to balance your embouchure to hit certain pitches is an extremely important thing to practice, especially with your mouthpiece. Learning when to tense and relax your embouchure and how to bend notes is super important. It help's with overtones, multiphonics, and altissimo especially. It will also help with your inner ear as there are no keys to hide behind, just you, your ear and your embouchure.
hey, Thank you for your comment and your time. Thus just my point of view about thus topic and it’s super related to the saxophone players I listen To and the Kind of sound I wanna get out of my saxophone; every goes to the principal aspect in all this polemical aspect what is your philosophy and approach to the instrument and the music more than the saxophone itself. I just released a new video talking about this. I invite you to watch it and tell me your opinion. have a blessed week!
This is clearly out of context, and improperly applied. When you can play a range of pitches using the mouthpiece, you will need a more released embouchure position just the same. The idea is to support enough to produce the pitch, and then experiment with both lip drop (jaw release or lip slur) and palate position to influence change of pitch. If you can play a melody with just your mouthpiece, then there will be no “tightness”. Try a melody, then report back 👍🏼
Thank you so much for the Feedback. I just touched this topic lightly because of my struggling with the language. But i tried my best on this last video were I explained the philosophy and approach behind this concept of no practicing with your mouthpiece. I just don't believe is worthy the time practicing with your mouthpiece because I did it for years. I was able to play a melody but I was not able to play melodicly. To play better, you have to think better, you have to sing better in your head.
@@rolysax The journey is different for everyone, but that last statement could not be more true for all: To play better, you have to think better. You have to sing better in your head” 🙏🏼👍🏼❤️👌🏼
I get where you are going with this. It's hard to quantify the reasoning.
Thanks for the Feedback. I made a part II of this video where you can maybe understand better the philosophy behind this approach to the instrument.
I'll be waiting for the neck video
I just made a Part II of this one, I will be making the neck one later on this week.
@@rolysax Genial!!! Por cierto al tocar la boquilla + el tudel que nota deberia sonar? (para revisar mi entonación con el tudel)
The neck video is out. I explained how I warm up using the neck, and what to pay attention when doing this exercises.
Pretty controversial stance for such a short video, stating something like this in almost no context goes against most of the saxophone pedagogies we have already developed over the past century. Practicing with the mouthpiece should make your voicing on the instrument feel easier when you go to it, you shouldn't try to directly recreate your mouthpiece sound on the horn. If you can get a clear, focused and controlled sound on the mouthpiece, it will be easier to produce a good sound on the instrument.
Thank you so much for the Feedback. In my personal experience voicing with my mouthpiece doesn't help my phrasing and stopped me from getting fluent at the moment of actually playing my instrument. I really recommend you see at least the last portion of my most recent video. I explained better how this is strictly connected to my philosophy and approach to the instrument.
wrong on every level.