Why Did Benjen Stark Join The Night's Watch Explained Game of Thrones House of the Dragon ASOIAF
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Bros been missing since 1996 and hes still talked about and theories are made about him. What a lad
Tbf hes a central character to the whole jon snow plotline along with stannis and old bear. Hes probably aiding bran atm
@@vherox3826 I think he’s heading north towards the heart of winter or was
Benjen Stark is now called Coldhands. It has to be him
@@feonor26 chances are it isn’t. It’s pretty much be confirmed it isn’t Benjen
@@jwatt1800 All the theories I've read think it's him. Why do you think it's not? Do you have any theories of who Coldhans is? All we know about him is that he wears the same clothes at the Nights Watch.
Benjen is that guy that really doesnt give you heirs in crusader kings
Funnily enough in AGOT CK3 he doesn't join the wall
@@jeambeam3173probably because it currently takes place before he does in lore
@@jeambeam3173 ?
@@nancycampbell8671 What is your question?
@@mrscaryfox3955 Yeah it is. Would be cool if there was an event that made him join the Watch.
I thought it was because there was always a need for a Stark at Winterfell to keep the castle warm since Brandon the builder, and one on the wall, to maintain it's magic.
A neat theory
What does that have to do with Benjen joining the nights watch after the war?
And how would that work? Are the Starks taught spells that keep the Others away? Do they warg into the Wall? It doesn't make much sense to me...
@@connaeris8230 got magic doesn't really work that way. Maybe it's a spell which requires the presence of someone with stark blood, or maybe there's rituals to conduct, rituals that Rickard Stark taught Brandon as he was his heir but not Ned.
@@connaeris8230 territory spell. Doesn't need recasting, only requires renewed bloodline tribute.
The wall only fell after being abandoned by the stark line...
Benjen, the greatest wingman in the Seven Kingdoms.
Dude didn't even try and started a love war
Bros before ho's, only Benjen chose the ho's
What a great history george has created dude
Yup. Its too realistic and complex for a made up story
FR he's got thousands and thousands of years of lore meanwhile I struggle with the 200 years of US History
Yall ever been down the elder scrolls rabbit hole?
The Starks are one of the most depressing Houses in Westeros
Read the books and you will change your mind abiut them and start to get scared of the starks 😂😂😂
Best fking house in this shit
@@luisduarte7917
Not to mention probably the first House of the Seven Kingdoms and most definitely the oldest ruling house on the continent. The Starks have held the North for over 8,000 years as kings until Aegon showed up.
@@z-man1237the hightowers of oldtown might be even older than the starks. I forget which one came first
If you haven’t read Fire and Blood, you’ll defiantly change your mind in season 2 of House of the Dragon. Cregan Stark was a hot-headed badass, which is actually a trait Starks are known for. Ned’s older brother Brandon was like that and so is Arya. Ned and Jon however, are the quiet brooding types. Ned was even called the Quiet Wolf. Because most people only watch the tv show, house stark is mostly associated with tragedy and brooding leaders. They’ve always been honorable though
@gaiusx287 Well, they do live a rough and straightforward life in the north.
ned is pretty cold to send jon to the watch without informing its state
I hated Ned when he did that, then I found out how the Daenerys family was killed to secure Robert's throne and it was all to protect him if he was discovered
@@zzulm
But even he should’ve figured how much of a neglectful king Robert was and at least try to get Jon legitimized and have Jon take up one of the keeps in the north like Moat Cailan or Queenscrown
I find it odd how Jon never visted the Watch at any point prior to joining. But it is worth mentioning that Benjen did warn Jon to wait some time longer before taking the black.
@@matro2
Benjen practically lied about the watch as much as Ned did. He didn’t tell Jon about the rundown state it was in, like only 3 of the 19 castles are used yet in poor conditions, and how the bulk of the forces were criminals or those that never seen or held a sword at all.
@@z-man1237lies of omission, yes, but he still warned Jon to live a life before deciding to give his up for the Black (he's only 14 in the books).
Should have been warned in more detail, for sure, but he was told to wait a bit before actually deciding to go.
Make me remember of Howland Reed. instead join the wall Howland chose to silent in his home because he caried Jon true parentage secret beside Ned.
Benjen probably knows the truth about Jon’s parentage as well. Given how close he was to Lyanna he probably at the very least knew of their relationship or the start of it. It probably wouldn’t have been that hard to figure it out when a year later Ned returned with Lyanna’s body and a baby.
I don’t think Howland would’ve joined the nights watch anyways as he would be the future lord of Greywater Watch
"Everyone's fucking dead bro. I'm heartbroken and everyone's now looking at me for answers. It's hard but at least I've got you, Benjen."
Benjen:
I think he knew about their affair and her pregnancy and kept it to himself. Joining the nights watch would help him hold that vow of secrecy to his beloved sister
How would he know about a pregnancy that wouldn't have happened until after she disappeared?
There's a theory a saw where someone made the case for him being at the tower of joy with his sister
@@DUNNY14465465473 ah yes somehow he gained the ability to teleport to and from the Tower of Joy during war when he was supposed to be at Winterfell and then gets back to greet Cat and Robb when they came from Riverrun.
Better question why in the show did they kill him offscreen and barely ever mention him again? Why is Neds brother considered so unimportant?
Did you watch the whole show?
@@FilmSplyce no i hadnt at that point. Ive actually been waiting for someone to reply so i can find this and delete the comment lol. I forgot what video it was. Thank you.
@@williamslater-vf5ym no problem I was genuinely curious 😂
@@FilmSplyce oh yeah, i forgot to delete this. Might as well just keep it now.
The book series is called 'A Song of Ice and Fire.' It's literally a story about Targaryens and Starks. But everyone takes it on face value to condemn Rhaegor and Lyanna for fulfilling a prophesy that no one really understands yet because there's still two books left. Everyone has a pretty good indication of Rhaegar's motivations and his obsessions with the prophesy. But no one yet knows of Lyanna's motivations so they assume she was 'manipulated' where her innocence was taken advantage. Lyanna is often compared to Arya not Sansa.
Lyanna is a goddamned hypocrite for hating Robert for being an adulterer, when she got with Rhaegar willingly.
Don't think you know anything. Adultery is cheating when married. And what makes Lyanna a hypocrite for not wanting to be with a whoremonger. Only a hypocrite if she does the same. Yet she decides to be with one man nor does she break any marriage vows. If your argument is that Rhaegar was a married man. Lyanna could've been a second wife as Targaryen custom. Something that's frowned upon by Westerosi law. So was Targaryen incest, which is why the faith militant rose up in rebellion but lost so they ended up accepting the tradition as an exception for Targaryen rule. @@jollyfighter7319
Thoes books will never be written
Don't be so sure about that. @@DayMan..
@@Nowrip7567why does everyone think that song of fire and ice is about one or two groups of people it's supposed to represent the whole encompassing of the story and the relationship between fire and ice and how those factor into life. And hypocritical means behaving in a way that suggests one has higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case so I think at least she is a bit hypocritical
I just brought this up with another content producer. It makes no sense for him to join even after Ned gets married
Yeah, there has to be more to the story
I figured that Ben might also swing for the other team, and if he did not join the watch, next thing you would know Ned would meet a few vassals to write up a betrothal contract, that would oblige him to have heirs.
So benjen joins the watch to cover his orientation, not bring dishonor to his family, while trying to make amends for the deaths of his family members and all those soldiers that lost their lives.
I also think Ser Tully, guard of the vale is also batting for the other team. It is odd for the brother of a Lord paramount, would be assigned a duty in a land, not your own.....
@@matthewcopley7679nope
I really eished Bobby B the Chad got what he really wanted, to set out to Essos and just do what he does best. 😢😢
If that was the case he should've married made some sons and later left to thw wall
Yeah definitely would’ve helped keep the Stark lineage going
Or maybe he left for the wall becouse Lyanna told him about the prophecy... I don't know, we'll see
It's weird that people will celebrate Lyanna running off with Rhaegar.
As nobility one of the few and possibly the greatest responsibility you have is to get married to the right person. It's so incredibly irresponsible to run off with someone just because you like them. Hundreds of thousands of peoples lives are depending on you, you get to live in luxury compared to the people under you and in return you maybe have to marry someone you don't love.
Instead she decided to run off plunging the entire continent into war, costing hundreds of thousands of lives and getting killed in the process...
If I were Ned I'd be absolutely furious...
No robert no excepting she didnt want him lead to war.
@@karinaashmonthat's a simplistic and incorrect analysis of the events
1. Robert didn't know that Lyanna ran off and wasn't kidnapped, no one knew besides Benjen, who kept it a secret for too long, by which point Robert was already on a war path
2. Everyone hated Aerys. He was insane, used to randomly burn people to death and was just all round a terrible ruler.
3. Rhegar was planning on overthrowing Aerys, which would likely have still happened had Lyanna not interfered.
4. Rhegar was a much better ruler, at least as in him not being insane. If he has organised a rebellion he likely would have been able to get rid of Aerys without any war, since Aerys didn't suspect him and anyone still loyal to Aerys would have also been loyal to him
So yes, without Lyanna running off and Benjen helping her and keeping it a secret, no war.
@@antimatter4733Well no real war. at worst it would've been a small Skirmish between those willing to help Rheagar(which was almost everyone, I say almost cause chances are there'd still be those willing to follow Aerys through his intimidation) and those still loyal to the Mad King, so majority of the Kingsguard would probably die, and atleast a thousand loyal men would die. But I imagine if Rheagar struck fast and quiet and in the night, he could overthrow his father before alot of people died, and it would take atleast 2 hours
@@lukethegoldenminecart1297 well yes, there likely would have been a few casualties, but relative to what ended up happening it's insignificant. I feel like once people heard Aerys was dead anyone who followed him out of fear would stand down, only the handful who were actually loyal to him and willing to die to avenge him would still fight.
It wasn't Rhaegar and Lyanna running off with each other. It was the falsehood that R kidnapped and raped L that caused the war.
I had just finished saying to myself “would you say there’s a ‘5 year gap’???” before Schwift said it at 2:10:25
He joined because of all he lost.It’s not that deep he lost a sister,brother,and father he wasn’t going to just stay and move on so he left to try and live without the constant memories of what happened.
It would be interesting if he had stayed . Then Ned and Ben would have been like Tywin and Kevan Lannister
So that was all theory and conjecture? Solid stuff
As there should always be a Stark at Winterfell maybe there should also be a Stark at the Wall. Since there's that rumor that the first knight king may have been a Stark then maybe needing a Stark at both places was a requirement in order to keep Winter away at least that's how I think of it
I find Rhaegar and Lyanna despicable. They knew what would happen if they married, but they didn't care for all the death and suffering they would unleash. They thought the rules of their world didn't apply to them and that they were special enough to not having to play by them. Both deserved to perish during the war they caused.
Lyanna was young and foolish, like 15 I think? She didn’t deserve death.
Rheagar is a Targaryen and the guy had dragon dreams. Targaryens in lore are above Westerosi customs and rules.
@@yusufraage8554robert is his punishment, his actions have so much weight and he didn't consider what would transpire.
I don't think it's fair to say they knew what would happen and didn't care. They ran off and eloped, we know or at least infer that. However the mad king kills the Starks and orders the death of Ned and Rob without knowing where his son is or what is going on, and that sparks the civil war. Nothing Rhaegar could have said would have stopped it. Yes they could of done their duty, Lyanna marries Rob and Rhaegar stays true to Elia, but its the mad king that escalates everything.
@@yusufraage8554yeah when a targaryen gets into lore he usually does abnormal stuff, bloodraven, aerys 1, rhaegar to name a few
He also is probably one of the very few (Ned, and Holland Reed, maybe arthur dayne if hes still alive) that know of Jon's parents. So he joined the watch to stay out of all of it and keep the secret.
Then convinces Jon to also join to protect him from Robert since he was giving up his birth right ("you dont know what your giving up" -benjin said to jon) by joining the watch.
Seeing as Benjen is a warg (his elk) he probably just got recruited with greendreams by the three eyed crow or children of the forest.
Benjen being sent to the watch by Ned doesn't make sense from what little I know.
The baby born of that same conquest, was protected by and lied for by Ned for years. He went as far to let his own honor be sullied publicly just to keep Lyannas baby alive
If Ned was already willing to go so far for Lyanna and Rhaegar, I highly doubt he would have punished the man who brought them together. Especially if that man was his lilbro. I feel like Ned would have been a little upset, telling him to look at what is cost, but wouldn't send him to the nights watch
Makes more sense to be a self imposed exile out of guilt rather the one enforced by possibly the most honorable character in a fantasy setting
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The wiki said it’s because a recruiter stayed at winterfell when he was a kid and he decided that’s what he should do
The recruiter was at harrenhall 😊
@@haikalharun2713 thanks for helping my point
Starks always man's the wall, lesser son always sent to the wall. I think jon snow mentioned that.
I read a theory that He helpt lyanna ecape from Winterfell and helpt her get to rhagear and then He was giving Himself the fault of her dead and then joins the nightwatch because of this
Yeah ned would have sent him to the wall, if he found out and blamed his brother. He wouldnt dare sentence him to death because he would be a kinslayer so the wall would be the best option.
Rhaegar was trying to create child from his prophetic dreams that would help save the world, "The Prince Who Was Promised."
Uncle Benjen!!
That sounds like a stupidly honorable thing ole headless neddy would do. 😎
He joined because he respected them and wanted to do his duty to guard the realm of man
George Martin hints that there may be more. If that guy doesn’t know who the hell does
A second son with nothing to inherit.
Ned sending him there sounds about right. Ned was stern
Next book, if t ever comes, is rumored to have lots of chapters from Ben’s point of view and him being the one giving us information about what/who and what do the white walkers want.
As of why he went to the wall. I like to think its because he himself had a bastard or commited a crime. He was a smart man, and dutiful, I also still have hope Jon is not in fact a Targareyan.
Winds won't have any new POVs
@@mrj4082does Winds even have pages
Oh I always thought Ned had intended to send John to the nights watch. So I thought he sent Benjin there to watch over John when he joins up.
Though I also believe qhorin half hand is Arthur Dayne. He made a deal with Ned to look after John in nights watch.
That way Benjin could make sure qhorin never influences john to try and raise up the Lords of the South leading to another civil war.
Ned when John was born didn't know what John would be like so he needed someone he trusted to look after John.
Also to make sure nobody tried to Influence John.
I think Benjen and Ned decided one day Jon would join the black with Benjen there it would be an easier decision for him. Benjen also went as penance but to also to talk to Jon about his mother after he took his vows
I think Ned and Benjen, through their friendship with Howland Reed, know something about the Others and The Prince That Was Promised. I think Lyanna knew even more because of her association with Rhaegar. People assume that Ned's promise to Lyanna was that he would keep Jon safe. I don't think that's what she asked. I think she made Ned promise to put Jon on the throne, as he was Rhaegar's heir, Lyanna knew about the Targaryen prophecy, and she wanted Jon to save the realm. I think Benjen went to The Wall to keep an eye out for The Others, because he, Howland, and Ned all had secret information that they were on their way.
They were on their way but jon is 14 years old in book 1. Also Ned in catelyns first chapter acts as if he doesn't believe in the others. He could be acting but why would he ride south if he needed to keep an eye out fo the others. He was manipulated by catelyn and lewyn and wanting to find jon arryns murderer so i dont understand why he wouldve rode south
Jon was a bastard . He wasn’t Rheagars legitimate son
An heir had to be legitimised by authority. Jon would still be a bastard as rhaegar's wife was elia martell, not lyanna
Robert thought LyannA loved him but lyanna didn't have the spine to tell Robert that she didn't love Robert because he was a playboy and she wanted to elope with a married man who had 2 kids. She ran away despite being betrothed to Robert.
Her actions cost her father and brother their lives, her actions caused the death of Rhaegar and his kids, she caused Elia Martell's brutal rape and murder, her actions caused the realm to bathe in Westerosi blood.
All of this happened because Rhaegar couldn't keep it in his pants and lyanna couldn't keep her legs closed.
theres a theory that rhaegar could have actually kidnapped or somehow used his dreams of the prince that was promise to convince or cohorse lyanna into having a child together, and its all based on the fact that lyanna and arya are supposed to be parallels to each other, like ned once even said that arya is literally the same as her aunt, so think about it, would arya run away with a prince to bare children and give up her dream of being a knight? and just become a lady? hell nah, I think something fishier is going on, also remember that people say that rhaegar became weird after learning about the prophesy and such
Rhaegar was an adult and Lyanna was 14-15 years old when she disappeared. Rhaegar was crown prince, and Lyanna was a teenage girl in a feudal patriarchal society. I'm sure she felt a ton of guilt for what resulted from their liaison, but are you really going to pretend that she had an equal amount of control over the situation to Rhaegar? Even if she left with him willingly and with full knowledge of what he had planned for her (ie, becoming the vessel for his prophecy baby)--and let's be clear that we still have no idea exactly what Lyanna did or didn't know and what she did or didn't choose to do--she's still a teen being used by a much older man who has far more social and political power than she does. Rhaegar carries far more blame for everything that happened because he had far more power throughout their relationship than Lyanna did.
I don't think Rhegar was Horny, I think he got the dragon dreams and lore in his head (mad targaryen). He probably did more manipulating, and probably didn't truly love her, more saw her as part of dream he had.
You really think that's so simple? Don't believe everything the show told you, Rhaegar didn't just want Lyanna, he wanted to create the prince that was promised. And Lyanna was like 16. Most 16 year olds would run away with the person they're infatuated with.
I agree more people should realize this
I just can't see Ned sending his little brother to the wall for being indirectly involved in something.
Maybe he went to punish himself but not bc Ned sent him.
Ned 100% forced Benjen to join the night’s watch. Benjen clearly resented not being able to father children and the lifestyle as a whole in his speech to Jon.
That was reckless and foolish of Lyanna to endanger her family at the tourney, and for what? To prove that she had skills? Lucky for her, Aerys never found out who she was as the nameless knight or House Stark would've vanished within a day.
Idk I think he joined the watch due to Bloodravens influence. I think the whole northern plotline, while very much influenced by Rhaegar and Lyanna, is much more influenced by the war against the others. If and when Benjen does appear again, I think it would be cool if he confirms R+L=J to Jon when hes resurrected but I think its more likely he's gonna run into Bran and reveal more Children of the Forest and war against the others information.
More likely the Littlefinger is to blame. He took out Brandon & Ned in the end
Not likely, he was too young to begin playing the game of thrones until he came to court. But I agree that was another party that manipulated the rebellion.
Wait Lynna WAS the knight of the laughing tree???
yes
My personal theory is that benjen know that jon was not neds son but lyanna son and he left because he would have told jon the truth much sooner then ned did
He completely left out Jon when he mentioned the few remaining male Starks.
Probably because he’s a Snow.
He isn’t a Stark .
@@mohammadahmad3455 But he could be legitimized as one just in case something happened to Robb.
How’s about Ned having let him know that Jon was really Brandon’s son by Ashara Dayne (who might even be legitimate, assuming Brandon at some point could’ve wrapped a cloak around her in front of a heart tree)?
If Benjen heard/figured that Jon was really Lyanna’s child (by Rhaegar), the best way of making amends - most of all to her - would be in helping to protect Jon, which he could’ve done a better job of if he’d stayed at Winterfell.
Most likely, he left because of some disagreement with Ned. It’s more plausible they would’ve had a disagreement if Ned was seen (by Benjen) to be passing over Jon - by making him out to be his own illegitimate son - in favour of his children by Catelyn.
There are no stark relatives at all , in ireland half the people in an area had the dominant clans name - and the starks have been the dominant clan for thousands of years ,
Has George confirmed Lyanna as the knight of laughing tree? I was all about this til the knight said in a booming voice to teach your squires honor. Jon says he and Robb used to practice yelling at each other cause Ned said it was important. Knight was said to be short in I’ll fitting armor. Ned in Brandon’s armor?
Nah, i think it was Howland Reed.
I love the Starks, in fact I adore them, but unfortunately they always end up trying to die/ end their bloodline and it's difficult to decide if it was an honorable or foolish action 😅
Ned might have told him the truth about Jon. Which makes the rebellion a lie.
We’ve never had confirmation that Lyanna was the knight of the laughing tree, and it is quite unlikely for a young, 14 year old girl to unhorse several knights in a joust, no matter how good a rider she was.
That would actual be a really reason if it turns out to be what really happened.
Could it be that the stark brothers know about their sister with a targaryen. And there are targaryens in the nightwatch. If The 2 brothers know about John. Then they could tell the last remaining targaryen in westeros. Or the time could come where Benjin returns when Jon needs him most to tell him or someone else about his true lineage.
Ned wouldn't do that.... But Ben would definitely do it..... He would give himself his own punishment feeling as if he killed her himself
Lyanna wasn't the knight of the laughing tree though. The knight was said to have a booming voice so id say its most likely Ned. Ned was not the greatest fighter but he would have trained extensively and also Jon mentioned Ned teaching him and Robb that a leader needs a big voice on the battlefield
tbh, the booming voice was actually due to the amor.
Now, i don't think it was Lyanna.
I think it was Howland Reed, but Lyanna provided him with the armor and the other equipment, so she was in on it 100%, That might also have been one of the reasons for Howland to go with Ned to the Tower of Joy, because he was as equally as pissed as the Starks for what happened to Lyanna, since otherwise, its pretty odd for him to go with Ned, since Howland isn't a fighter.
Nah all the kings guard from the fight at the tower of joy went there and Ned sent Jon snow there too to be with them. BenJen went there with them.
3 healthy heirs, ned, robb, benjen. And the line wasnt secure? Dosent makesense
Yeah… Ned sending Benjen for that is laughable considering “his” bastard.
I think that Benjen refused to lie about Jon's parentage.
Then he is a fool who would Dishonor his late sister. and all those who died in the previous.
The book is more based in reality than leania being the knight... Beijing probably let her go with reagar
Dude went on that Sasuke Redemption arc..
At least he didn't clap any damn cheeks
I’m sorry, why should Benjen be punished for Lyanna and Rhaegar’s stupidity?
Addendum for the Inquisition: When you learn how Chaos works in the setting "Innocence proves nothing" makes a lot more sense.
Overall the Imperium didnt choose to be this harsh and evil. The setting is just so fucked they had to become this for survival. For the most part. Theres a lot of fuck shit they didnt have to do, but because of what they are makes sense.
I still think Ned was the knight of the laughing tree
Be scared when he ships anyone.
George Ahh beat
The rebellion only succeeded just because the dragon is dead 😂 with dragon there would be no one who could defeat them 😂
Bro has been missing presumed dead for 27 years…. I think we should move on
I sware Benjen and Tupac are the same person!
Robs not a Stark.........
Again, bullshit. The king told Robert to unhorse the mystery knight because “he is no friend to me “ who writes this shit? Read the books.
Benjen Stark one of the stupidest death in the series.
Is there NOT a single intelligent male stark?
Bullshit. Anyone who thinks that a tiny 14 year old girl who rode at rings, could unhorse “champion” knights understands precisely nothing about jousting. Tilting at a quintain requires armor and is the way jousters actually train, it’s never mentioned that she ever did anything of the sort. Horsemanship is definitely required, so is strength, and experience is most important. Hitting boys with a tourney sword is NOT jousting against knights. If George says it was Lyanna, then it would be canonically correct, but still ridiculous.
He probably joined the watch to give Jon someone to look upto and eventually join the watch
Benjin joined The Nights Watch because he felt guilty because if he had said something he could have prevented Robert's Rebellion. He knew Lyanna fell for Rhegar but remained silent and let the dominos fall; brother, father and kingdom.🤔🫤🫣
Ned knows a lot of things and keeps them to himself. That’s what ultimately got him killed. 🥲
Benjen Stark one of the stupidest death in the series.