i think..it was a great show..on its own. not in the stargate franchise. People (i admit i am one of those people) went there and expected the same like in SG1 and SGA the carefree humour the teamspirit and so on, but instead got this disfunctional group of stranded people with soap opera problems (in only remember some meaningless sex and unrequieted love theme at the beginning, from the last time i watched it). It might have changed for the better later on, but lots of people had already turned off their tv at that point, and i think that broke SGU's back. looking at this scene here, i can tell that i would have enjoyed it. Even if it was inside the Stargate universe...just...a different way of delivering it would have been great.
Connor Moore agreed! first they kill SG-1, Then Atlantis, then we get 2.5 of a 5 season SGU series. the guys making SGU even said they begged Syfy too give them 1 more season, so they could at least tie up the loose ends. but Nope, had too make room for wrestling! Then they killed the Atlantis movie SGA: Extinction. after that SG: Alliance the video game was killed. there were 2 more but I can't recall their names.
Well, when you take a show titled "Chloe Ruins Everything" [edit: sorry, that was the original title of this show], spend 1.5 seasons playing SWISS FAMILY STARGATE before you REVEAL THE POINT OF THE SHOW'S EXISTENCE...you can't expect anything BUT disappointment.
The show correctly built up its core elements, and that takes time. I remember how the fanbase bashed and boycotted SGU, especially on Gateworld. I blame their impatience.
@@kellywsmar mweh they should have made the show more interesting from the start. It was okay but nowhere near atlantis and SG1. elements were good, and that new story made it so much more interesting.
My main complaint is that the show was far too much people and not nearly enough "cool shit" plus the constant sex they kept having in other people's bodies while using the stones made me queasy
@@themplar all you say is true, buy still not enough for people to boycott; given time, it would probably reach sg1/sga levels. Or not, we'll never know...
The irony here is this is how fans and SyFy saw the show.... in different ways. Rush, like the fans, wanted somthing big, deep and meaningful. Young, like SyFy... didn't... they just wanted the simpler stuff.
The simpler stuff was the bad part of the show. To many contrived romances and convoluted personal stories. If they focused more on the scifi like this scene the show would have been successful.
The plot of this show was about the show itself. A ship (like the series) was on its way towards a great, unknown goal, with characters thrown into an unknown environment (like the viewers). In Season 2, the hostile drones represented Syfy's TV executives trying to cancel Destiny without reason or purpose. When they developed shields for Destiny, the hostile drones flung themselves into the ship still damaging it. The characters in the end became suspended, not knowing what the future held, just like the viewers. The more you think about this show, the more you realise how it represented what was happening to the show itself.
The ancients are the first version of humanity. They built the ship. They ascended to a level where they can observe and influence what happens. They created the humanity we see. In other words they are the writers. And the viewers. The plot of the show is to find out the story piece by piece. The ship was launched long ago with the original movie. The story has been suspended for now until eventually it gets reawakened and eventually the full meaning of the stargate universe is revealed. It is their destiny.
“A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.” -Greek Proverb - Or send starships to places their people will never see.
@@55Quirll The ship was launched unmanned as was the seed shps. The plan was to gate to the ship eventually once the ship was so far out but i am sure the plague and the the war in pegasus galaxy changed all that.
OK, that makes sense, but why was the life support system - air recycle system - shot when they got on board. I would have thought that all the non-essential systems would have been shut down till the Ancients gated aboard. I would also have thought that the Ancients would have build in a self repair system to take care of any damage that might have occurred during the trip. Lastly there should be a way to gate back to earth once they reached the end of the mission. Just thinking. Perhaps those things would have been revealed during the later parts of the series.
@@chris746568462 Don't forget Atlantis, it may be younger by a few million years but as far as I can tell, everything there works. I find it difficult to believe that a race as old and as advanced as the Ancients would not have had some type of repair system on board that would keep things in working order. I would also think that they would have some machines that would make the essentials that they needed. - like food, where would they get the food and water unless the machines on board made it. All that was needed was to find the on switch for the repair and replication devices and Destiny would be up and running at full capacity.
@@Mercedesxoo They're searching the exact location where the universe started. They'll never reach it, cause it's too much of a mystery that anything the writers might come up with, is most likely gonna be wrong or inaccurate
Stargate, not just SGU, peaked in season 2 of this show. Idk what's the bigger tragedy: the fact that most viewers didn't stick around long enough to even reach this point where the "drive" of the show was established (albeit, the long wait until this may have deterred many) or that it was canceled right when so many concepts and character arcs were coming to fruition.
The last episode was actually nice,, they were gonna discover the origin of the universe,, and we're catching up to ships that were dropping the stargates
I miss this show... It became so great, not a typical, "Bad thing gets resolved in an episode or 2" Kind of thing. There was an underlying plot, and other plots sprinkled along the way to keep it interesting... (Rush by far, was my favorite, flaws and all)
I don't remember this scene, then again I didn't watch all of it. But this idea is present in several stories/shows. Halo comes to mind with the Precursors, a mysterious, extremely ancient, extremely advanced group of beings that were capable of God-like feats. But the idea that the Big Bang was an intentional event by an already existing intelligence that predates our own perception of Time itself. That's some deep shit.
It means Stargate was finally going to tackle, God himself, big G not little g. I'm curious as to what they would have done up with. I mean we already have seen ascended ancients,essentially "angelic beings", how could they have stopped that? We'll never know.
the precursors are said to be 100 billion years old and likely older as They would have to have a few million years to develop the domain as the domain is a 100 billion years old so likely the precursors are 110 billion years old because the forerunner couldn't understand much of precursor tech neither could Ancient Humans hey a star gate and halo Crossover is very much possible If we change just a little lore
@@AgentExeider i have been waiting for that tbh like for science to explain God lol, since they usually considered seperate. And stargate lore in general had so many different concepts like the terra forming or the self replicating machines created by ascended beings
I just started, only at the point where Rush attempts a coup in season 1. But can I just say… I am 100% team Rush. He is my guy! 😂, if people just listened and followed him this show would be so much better
The first question! The question that must never be answered, hidden in plain sight. The question you've been running from all your life. Doctor who? Doctor who? Doc-tor who!
I was never an SG fan, not SG, not Atlantis, none of it, but then Destiny came along, and it reminded me of some of the good literary SciFi, especially the likes of "Rendezvous with Rama". One good pointer to good tv and film SciFi too, is that, if a spaceship is involved, it''s instantly memorable in design, and they managed that with Destiny. I'd really like to see this show continued, with the same cast, and at least the same budget, if not more...
Shawn Schaitel I know about the reboot, and I'll tell you this. So many movies are cancelled before they ever hit production, I'm not saying that would happen to this one, but there's so little hype following it, it wouldn't surprise me. I just hope this petition shows MGM that there still is an SGU fan base, and maybe it could be more profitable than any movie could be.
When i read the PR thing that mgm realsed they said the first film in the in the new trilogy will be re-imagined version of the original 1994 film (kinda like the new robocop film) and the other two will be based on it it and go to direction that both Emmerich and Devlin intended release date of 2017 earleir this year they hired the writes for it (the sam dudes as ID2 which comes out next year) with production expected late this year or some ttime next
But thats very convenient isn't it... I believe this way jt would be somewhat different.... I mean jt would be very fun and exhilarating to watch Rush, Daniel and Sam... and ofcourse Rodney, zelenka for fun and awe of revelations. But everything will be solved in an instant...
I always had some theories on how this ends or how this should end properly, but no one of them were having a reaching-God end. Here’s some of interesting (IMO) scenarios of ending SGU. 1) The Ancients already gathered their missing pieces using Destiny's researches and it just floats around without being repaired by bots and some other stuff that's really needed in a million-year-spaceship with such an important mission. That explains a lot, but is a more realistic and a less interesting scenario. 2) The ship was not intended to be a taxi which takes you to the God. The Ancients created it to inspire civilizations for researches and uniting in a great intergalactic society not for wars. And Rush would find that but would delete the evidences to maintain the secret for the greater good. And tell about that ship to everyone for everyone in the ship's way to repair it a bit by a bit, making this a never-ending inspiring and most importantly a uniting galaxies story. 3) Something made the crew not wanting to go home. Like temporal anomaly which made them travel far ahead in time (and broke the communication stones). And they moved to read the archives and really understand and really start to believe in the Mission. The ship’s sensors registered that and Destiny automatically send info to the Ascended Ancients, which have materialized into the ship and showed them DA WAY so they could Ascend and decide their own destiny. So someone joined the Ancients, someone just went home and told the others DA WAY. BUT Here I split this scenario into 2 ways: a) The Ascension would be just another step of granting possibilities to really gain information about that signal and how to do the semi-god things like forming the primordial matter with the special energies into the things you need (like wizards idk). b) The Ascension opens a new dimension with hundreds of different civilizations of godlike creatures split into some ideological houses/clans which control different parts of space/time/dimensions. And here starts a some really other storyline.
The discovery of different planes of existence may have been part of the underlying purpose of Destiny. The "beings" that created the first structure and order in the universe may have been, in fact, some type of ascended being operating at a higher plane of existence.
@@Tap-a-roo you know the easy way off the ship for the crew? Have someone contact the ascended ancients. Get them to uplift the people on the ship and then make them mortals again on earth. Wouldn't even be interference in mortal affairs, because them getting stuck on the ship is a result of ancient activity.
The comments about the ascension are a good theory. The programmer of the Destiny more than likely created some way of sending detailed information to the stargate grid. This would also explain how their space maps were so well detailed.
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w my theory was that stills damaged portions of the ship.would have later let them use the stargate to communicate with earth, w/o the stones. The stones being the final product of what they had on the ship.
I miss it too. It was Pure Adult and Serious Science Fiction. Great questions, normal people forced to deal face to face with the mistery (the Destiny and her mission), adventure in deep space... Too good for TV rating dictatorship.
Taylor Smith: I remember two of these: one, when they have to send a kino to the past to prevent themselves from arrow-like aliens that are decimating the crew stucked on a planet surface, and the other, when the Destiny plays wargames into the mind of Col. Young, and the ship is destroyed by enemy ships once and again... Great Sci-fi show!
Karekare Nohay I mean the first one, where the Stargate Time skip trick lets them find themselves after they've already died, and then more amazingly, when those very same aliens that murdered all of them on that planet later became super important because they were used to cure another blight that had befallen the crew... I mean people always bitch that they never make smart SciFi shows, well they do, people just never watch them.
Yeah, too long and complex for movies (not in the Michael Bay-JJ Abrams-Zack Snyder era), too good for TV... Maybe it ought to be a space on TV just for this special works of fiction, something like a Sci-Fi channel... ups!
Most of the time, science fiction shows are marketed at action/adventure shows. That's what Star Trek was, that's what Babylon 5 was (to a certain extent), that's what Battlestar Galactica was (in it's first incarnation; not sure about the 2nd), that's what Firefly was and that's what SG-1 and Atlantis was. I loved all those shows, but the writers/producers decided to experiment with making a sci fi shows not as action/adventure, but as drama. That's what Universe was. Unfortunately, the fans didn't understand that and expected it to be another action/adventure show. As Connor Moore states, this had the *potential* to be a mind-blowing show because it basically dealt with science and interpersonal relationships. Look at all the long-running shows on TV: the CSI franchise, the NCIS franchise, Boston Legal, all those medical shows, House, ER, St. Elsewhere etc. etc. All of those shows are considered to be drama shows, not Action/adventure. Why can't science fiction shows also be looked on as potential drama?
Just because you put the typical “who has sex with whom?“, “who gets whom pregnant?“, “which two people are together but not allowed to?” and “guy loves girl who only sees him as a friend.” drama on a space ship, does not exactly make it into a sci-fi drama.
I liked SGU, but it was just very different to SG1 and SGA. It was almost like a skin suit, but not as terrible as many shows these days, because at least it was still the original creators of the franchise who actually loved the show. (Many modern day series and movies are written by people who dont even like them....) SG1 and SGA were: scifi ++ adventure +++ comedy +++ action +++ drama+ SGU was: scifi +++ adventure + comedy + action + drama +++ Or something like that.
That's what made Battlestar Galactica so amazing, yeah we're in space ships with human looking robots and shit, but, to me at least, that was secondary to the "drama" of the politics, religion and human condition, 🤌
Just continuing writing the messages to the fragments of one show ended long ago for SyFy to know I still hate them for closing SGU. It's fall of 2019 and I'll be missing that show's end forever. You bastards, SyFy. Like really. Know it.
My own theory is about destiny is sort of like one of it's episodes. In the end they travel back in time to seed the universe and become the ancients. They are the ones that plant the signal. There is no second evolution. Which also leads reason as to why the ascended ancients have a hands off policy.
SGU became more and more amazing as season 2 went on. When they dropped all the whiny American "me me me" stuff and started pulling together, then Dr MacKay from Atlantis popped in, then finally they began to find a civilisation, the show was absolutely firing on all cylinders. Buy it on DVD and binge watch. Trust me.
In fairness, it was a Canadian-American tv show. And in-story, the entire Stargate idea, including the Icarus project, is something only a superpower could manage.
After finding out destiny was on a mission to find out if the beginning of everything was caused by somthing intelligent I nearly fell out my seat! gutted they axed this series.
I wish the show could come back somehow. That's probably not likely now that Stargate is being rebooted. I'd honestly be fine with a trilogy of novels to finish the story of SGU.
@@twmcgraw3035 They continued the story in a comic series.. I ordered the set, only ever received 1 comic.. Lol.. anyway, the next part after they go to sleep in the pods, Eli discovers another part of the ship with ancients in hibernation.. he re-animates them and they fix Destiny.. that's where my comic ends.
The show had potential, but it was ruined by the ridiculous communication stones and the terrorist raid at the end of season 1. These elements completely destroyed the sense of being lost in an unknown region of space, millions and millions light years away from Earth, when the main characters could magically swap bodies with people on Earth (for boring filler episodes by the way) and visit their friends and family... or when some rogue Milky Way organization can just use the Stargate to attack the ship at any time. For me, this show should've cut all ties with the whole Milky Way, the moments the characters stepped foot on Destiny and just focus entirely on survival, exploration of the unknown, the alien race that was chasing the ship, and the mysterious structures discovered in some of the planets visited by the crew. Atlantis did a way better job at this, with the only exception that the characters weren't lost, and they obviously couldn't cut ties with the Milky Way entirely, because Earth ships could still travel the distance.
Well, they're pure energy, so they might be able to better understand the CMB, which is primarily made of microwave radiation (I think) but there's no guarantee they understand everything about it. They have to be doing _something_ up there after all, and they're certainly not paying much attention to their descendants.
When you truly ascend there is so much more than matter that it will seem insignificant to you. There is a technology that exists on the earth that allows one to know what you are talking about. It has all information written down within it believe it or not.
I LOVE SG, but I just couldn't get into this no matter how hard I tried. I envy those that were able to enjoy it. I hope they bring SG back in some form sometime soon.
I really felt that SG1 and Atlantis got stuff done, but this is a drama and they argue more than solving problems. Specifically this problem, which I would love to see solved. Then syfy killed the show. Great. Knowing the answer to this question would've really added some cool stuff to the SG universe, maybe even throw the Ori into the dust (yeahhh! Go humanity!!)
it was sad that it went down like that. In my opinion it had huge potential. With an even more ancient and powerful civilization than the Ancients we knew. It was a good try to come back to the SG1 we know nothing and take on the big fishes Stargate vibe. It was a good idea since in the Milkiway and Pegasus Galaxies the Tauri had become a force to be reckoned with. And it wasn't too bad of an idea to show aus some kind of middle Avancement state of the ancients one that seems to be in between the Tauri now and the Pegasus Lanteans. All cool ideas but as good as the setup was as bad was the Team. Rush was a way too negative Mckay and we leaked the typical Oneil/Shepard character. I never truly felt home with the SGU Team unlike with all previous teams. I think that was it what killed it in the end.
In a universe where time travel is a reality it'd be disappointing as all hell if the message was just the Destiny crew fucking around in order to create a predestination paradox.
I've often felt that Rush was going to use whatever power he finds to go back and save his wife. In fact I feel that Rush himself might be the results of a loop, as he doesn't seem to care about people because he knows whats going to happen to them and is just trying to get back to the end again.
We already live on the starship Destiny, we already get our sustenance from a star. We already have been sent on our way by the Ancients. We are here, why not us? Stop saying we don't belong here, embrace it, move forward, stop looking behind us. A mystery rooted in the foundation of reality.
Since we were robbed of a season finale, allow me to theorize what might have happened. The final season has created a dilemma with the revelation that despite the immense distance it had traveled since launching thousands of years ago, Destiny was still not going fast enough to complete it's missing within the the crew's lifespan. Even at their present course, it would still take at least 200 years for the ship to reach its final destination. So at this point the show ends up raising a morale dilemma of whether or not to continue the quest for the greatest scientific answer of all time, as doing so would doom 3 or 4 generations of their descendants to noting more than transit generations to allow for their great grandchildren to find the answers their grandparents decided was more valuable than their own life choices. Rush of course still thinks the mission is worth it, and eventually other members of the expedition including Sgt. Greer, Chloe, Varro, Park and TJ come over to his line of thinking. Each one of them realizing their lives have more meaning on Destiny than on Earth. Eli however believes he may have found a way to get Destiny both to its final destination AND Earth within their lifespan. By fitting Destiny with an Asgard hyperdrive to allow Destiny to enter hyperspace. And then use FTL within Hyperspace, thus theoretically allowing between galaxies with an hour. But in order to achieve this, they need a new Icarus class planet to make the connection to Destiny. And a new one is found within the Milky Way. The only problem however is that is under the control of the Lucian Alliance, who have amassed a gigantic armada rivalling that of the System Lords, and have even been able to retrofit their ships with Ori weaponry. Even worse is that they have surviving Goa'uld among their ranks. Stargate Command however is reluctant to risk their fleet going head-on into a potential slaughter. Not to mention that they would know their arrival would force the Lucian Alliance to dial Destiny, potentially causing the planet to explode and take out the Tau'ri fleet. Eli however makes a remarkable discovery that not even the Ancients knew was possible: The ability to reverse dial a Stargate. By inserting a specially made virus into Destiny's dialling computer. It would be possible to change an incoming wormhole to an outgoing wormhole, while still ensuring that the gate is still being powered by the Icarus class planet. This plan allows for the Tau'ri to bait the Lucian Alliance into dialing Destiny, by launching a full scale attack on the planet. The LA do attempt to dial Destiny, but Eli's virus works. Not only does it reverse the polarity of the wormhole, but Eli is able to remotely embed a unique code to prevent the planet's core on the other end from going critical. So the final battle would see Carter leading the Hammond, Daedalus, Odyssey and Sun Tsu against the Lucian Alliance Fleet, while Young, Scott, James and Greer, lead a team on foot into the Lucian Alliance base to take their foe out from within. The battle is long, but Carter realizes they're outgunned, due to the Lucian Alliance having access to Ori weapons. Scott is able to disable the Lucian Alliance's Anti-beaming shield, allowing for Telford and his team to beam down to the Lucian gate room along with the Asgard Hyperdrive and two ZPM's. They able to redial Destiny, Young and Scott however are reluctant to return to the Destiny. At this point in the story, Scott has had a falling out with Chloe, who's developed feelings for Eli. He and Young stay behind to prevent the Lucian Alliance from following Telford's team through the gate. They're both killed defending it. They also disable Eli's code, causing the planet to explode, and taking out what is left of the Lucian Alliance. Carter is able to jump away with the Hammond and Daedalus. However the Odyssey and Sun Tzu fall in battle. One week later, Destiny is now retrofitted with the Asgard hyperdrive which is powered by the ZPMs, while FTL engines are powered by Destiny's power reserves, they conduct a test flight of activating FTL within Hyperspace. The first trip makes them realize they travelled into the void between galaxies in less than a minute. Meaning that Destiny now has to the means to travel to Earth. Partway through the trip however, it is discovered that the astronomical speed the ship is traveling is causing its internal structure to buckle. Yet Telford insists on pressing on to Earth despite Rush's objections. It takes a full year, but they arrive in Earth's orbit, right in the middle of a battle with the Lucian Alliance. The Tau'ri and Free Jaffa fleets are struggling to hold on. Destiny is able to turn the tide of the battle, taking out the remaining Lucian vessels but she sustains critical damage during the fight. Eventually losing sublight engines and crashing on the Moon. Destiny's crew has returned home, but they failed to complete a million year old mission. Not all is lost however. As in the moment of sorrow, the Ancients finally break their ascension rules and decide to assist humanity. As they learn that the knowledge from Destiny's mission is too important to abandon. They retrofit the George Hammond with a top of the line FTL drive, allowing it to continue Destiny's mission. However they also inform the Tau'ri that even with the new speed. It will still take them at least 20 years to reach their final destination. While most of the Destiny crew choose to return to Earth. Many of its notable crew members including Rush, Eli, Chloe & Greer decide to travel with the Hammond back to the point in which Destiny left off. They have also now picked up some new notable crew members: Samantha Carter, Daniel Jackson, Rodney McKay & Jennifer Keller. The series ends with the Hammond making its final voyage into the depths of the Universe. The crew knowing full well, they may not live long enough to see Earth ever again.
I wasn’t the biggest SGU fan but scenes like this make me wonder what could have been. With a little tweaking SGU could have surpassed SG1 and Atlantis if it weren’t for shortsighted SyFy execs.
One(of many) things that bugged me about the show (which had huge potential never tapped) was the continuous whining about going back home. Really?! What could they possibly accomplish or experience back home that was more important or interesting then being on Destiny.
Being with family and other loved ones that you never agreed to be leaving behind. If the Destiny had all the comforts of home, then it may have been less of an issue, but they're basically living like the refugees on Battlestar Galactica. There is an important distinction between "I never signed on for this" and "this is the mission I signed up for" the latter only applying to Dr. Rush and maybe Eli.
I hate this show was cancelled. Yes, it was nowhere as light-hearted and humorous as SG1 or SGA, but I found SGU's unique atmosphere to be quite refreshing and enjoyable. Of course, we know that's a big reason for the show's downfall, but this show could have been soo awesome!!!
I really wish Stargate went the way of Trek in terms of continuing TV stories through books. I would love to read a book series about how this all ends in the event that this show never gets resolved
you are not alone but i think we will never get a stargate tv show or movie ever again. It's been 10+ years already and the fans are getting older and so is everyone who were involved in making the movies and tv shows. It's been a blast while it lasted but i think it is time to move on indefinitely.
@@kerosoldier i literaly asked if they learned the truth AFTER they ascended and you talk about how they had to deal with other things like wraith and shit
@@raver377 I would still say they lost a lot of their interest and curiosity. They did not care much about the Ori or mortals, I doubt they care about the origin of the universe. Their existence shown in the diner scenes always made "afterlife" look so bleak.
Even when I watched this back then, I wished they did something with the lighting outside the window as the ship was on a rotating axis. Just would have been a nice visual touch to a talking head scene.
I'm a scifi fan and as far as i know SGU was never screened on mainstream TV here in Britain for some unknown reason, and I only discovered it years later on youtube and went out and bought the DVD boxed set.
Everyone acts like this is some kind of novel philosophical prospect, when it's literally what humans have believed since before recorded history: we, our world, and everything that exists was created from scratch by an all powerful, all knowing being with a mind, consciousness, and will that desires order, growth, and development. This is literally what God is. It's a rather recent development that people commonly believe we're purely physical beings resulting from blind chance without consciousness.
No body like reason neither the things we can't undestand .That's why we are here still puzzling ourselves with out try to resolve our intent to advance forward in trough reason. -Benitez
Not a clue... It's something we'll never find out. From my understanding, ascended beings don't automatically gain all knowledge, but can learn and explore as much as anyone else (albeit a heck of a lot faster and further than the Ancients managed to get to with their technology, etc)... but going back to the mortal plane would mean having to give up all that knowledge anyway. Honestly though, the Ancients took up learning about and committing themselves to ascending because they realised that Destiny would take far too long to read this supposed structure. At that point, you have to figure they gave up caring about said structure.
Someone argues because they ascended, they acquired a new way of understanding of the universe so that they don’t see the relevance in decoding the message/structure
I dont think so. They acquired a new way to discovering and understanding the universe, but they never got to the "gist of it all" I believe. I mean the ascended Alteran were able to hide from the ascended Ori in a different galaxy. One would think, if you unravelled all mysteries of the universe, you would be kinda omniscient as well as omnipotent. At least that is the impression I got from SG1. Especially in the 200th episode where the "alternative T'alc" said something about finding salvation in discovering the secrets of the universe, which is a little bit similar to gnosticism an ancient religion here in the real world.
Well... they did HAVE Stargates, and I doubt any sci-fi show could have had anything similar without getting into legal dispute with the owners of the Stargate IP.... so yeah, its Stargate for the simple reason that Stargates exist in it
@K1productions Very little of the story actually needed Star Gates though. Stargates in Universe mostly where a device to get of the ship to somewhat nearby planets. Most of the times one episode later the planes already could no longer be reached. More like the transporter in Star Trek. I mean sure they had a longer range than the Star Trek transporter but they where no longer the main means of travel like in the other Star Gate shows.
That premise they inconspicuously slipped in amidst personality conflict between the two major characters had the potential to build a metaphysical quality to science fiction, giving it purpose beyond technological utopias or dystopias that could have reflected our own real world metaphysical absence instigating the changes we need to survive as a species. So…no loss here.
I always wondered if you could just trace the Stargates back to earth. Destiny found the ship that seeds Stargates as it flies so why not just trace the Stargates back. Take one that goes as far back toward earth as possible, then the next and the next. They could probably get back to Atlantis at least.
@@MadsenTheDane Two problems with your idea: one, the Stargates were designed for intergalactic use - otherwise, the Pegasus and Milky Way galaxies wouldn't have been in contact during "Atlantis." Two: the gate onboard Destiny wasn't ever powerful enough to use all seven symbols for intergalactic (i.e., back to Earth, or to Atlantis in the Pegasus galaxy) because the ship had aged so much since it was built. But that problem could be overcome; when Destiny recharged itself while flying through a sun's corona, THAT would have been a perfect time to dial up a gate that was close, and use it to get back to Earth. The ship's systems and logs (once Rush deciphered the codes to access them) would have had that information; along with any ships that seeded Stargates along its' flightpath. The crew could have started its' "hop back to Earth" mission at that point - when the ship had enough reserve power to fully run its' gate.
@@SeatBill yes they could use the destiny gate, or an Atlantis gate because they had Enough power to do so. But she was talking about finding their way back by using all the gates the seed ships had used, one gate at the time. But that wouldn't work since the gate on its own isn't designed to be able to reach a different Galaxy, it needs a huge power source. And they don't have that
Sound like the base code of the universe talked about in Doctor Who that would let the being who understood it to change everything about the universe. Like the device in that pyramid that could let Anubis rewrite all life.
man oh man.. that was one of the most incredably mind grapling video ive watched in a long long time..!! what if .., what..??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
The show was good but was spoilt somewhat for me by the mumbled dialogue making it hard to follow the plot at times....PS- I also didn't like that "communication stones" business where they pop into peoples bodies on earth and vice-versa, I usually hadn't a friggin clue who was in who's body.
If they just dropped the Stargate from the title, and just name it Universe, it would pass as a very good sci-fi drama show. Definitely keep it in the Stargate universe and use the stargate storyline but don't use the title. People expect humor and action with Stargate, thats why it failed. I love humor and action and I also love mystery and drama.
You couldn't have HAD the show without Stargate. Its entire premise was built around the Ancients as well as the Stargates themselves. If you had a sci-fi show that had anything remotely similar to a Stargate, then it would have been immediately sued for it.
@K1productions It was build around the Star Gates? How? Except for the initial getting on the ship the Star Gates could for a large part just as well be replaced with short range FTL shuttles. The whole concept of having a fleet of AI vessels fly in front of your manned vessel just so that your crew has a way to get off your ship, does sound overly complicated anyways. Also considering that Star Trek had the Iconian gateways years before even the Star Gate movie was produced, Star Gate hardly could block all shows from using the concept of Gates to travel around.
Reminds me of a Princeton University S.E.T.I. talk, I've once attended. The Physics involved, was complex, but understandable. I got it. But this science fiction, story by Rush about a message in the CBR? Really, don't know about that. ;P "Embrace It... move forward..."
i watched Babylon 5 when i was a kid, i had this idea before...all the older races would "go beyond the rim and wait for the younger races" i always took as the rim of the universe not the galaxy... then they would either find another universe or battle some other equal but evil forces for their universe or create a new universe themselves to live in, or other dimensions if that dont work but they always sorta shunned other dimensions, because its not where they belong kinda thing. what else do you do after whats it called...energy death or whatever. gotta start a new universe and hopefully dont explode yourselves doing it. or at least start a new universe for someone else so things dont end(for all you know) if you cant be in it.
Its really fucking sad that weve already met beings that know the answer and their answer when we ask it they say “youre not ready” or “you need to get the answer yourselves”
Damn i loved this series. It was a sad day when they cancelled it. It would have outshone all other Stargate series aside from the original movie and SG1.
Very few Sci fi properties deal with a scale this large. Star Trek barely ventures outside a quarter of our galaxy. Star Wars plays out in only half of 1 most of the time. Stargate Atlantis went to a new galaxy. Stargate Universe does it's name justice...............they fly around throughout the known universe. Billions and billions of light years. now that's a fascinating premise.
I loved this show.... but I found so many flaws in Rush's ideas and premises! I saw nothing but self-adolation and pride in him! Why keep so many secrets? If he was CONVINCED it was the ultimate responsibility of the crew to complete Destiny's mission.... why didn't he reveal the bridge to the crew when he first discovered it? Why didn't he bring Col. Young, Eli, and everyone else in, once he'd broken the codes of the ship, and accessed its' entire logs? *He wanted to keep that information to himself; why? Because he wanted to MANIPULATE it, and turn it to his own perceptions and agenda!* Sound familiar?
The reasons why ancients abandoned destiny is because of the discovery and research into ascension they wouldn't have a need for a ship to learn what's at the end of the ships destination because once they ascended they gained the knowledge of the universe without the need for technology
The show was very well produced and entertaining, but too many episodes were "ship-bound" meaning there was not enough gating down to explore exciting new planets, perhaps that's why viewing figures dropped of in series two.
During its run on SyFy, which was a premium cable channel of all things, the show was moved around the schedule a lot. When MGM went into bankruptcy protection, SyFy did not pick up the show for a third season.
networks could care less what the fans watch. a good complex story doesnt appeal to the masses like brainless comedies and predictable drama does,, thats thats why this show was cancelled... cost too much for the few of us that understand it to make... the mindless drones that watch tv shows have no interest in a good sci fi show
It was a fucking crime that they cancelled this! It could have gotten at least 5 seasons worth. Maybe even 10 considering the story behind this series. Unlimited
Could someone please post the footage with the computer image (from the Destiny's bridge screen) of the Background Radiation structure itself??? That would be much appreciated.
Such a cool concept. I would have loved to see this series concluded. The problem was that while it was good Sci-Fi it was not good Stargate. The previous 15 seasons of Stargate had developed a particular style and character all it's own. Then they throw it all out for this emotional, swiveling camera, out of focus, acoustic guitar mess. I think it's safe to say this was "The Last Jedi" of the Stargate franchise.
They should have just threatened McKay with a citrus, and he would have figured out the mystery and finished Destiny's mission within one, max two episodes.
Now I see that SGU could have been the most mind-blowing sci fi show of its age. Thanks Syfy; you really know how to disappoint.
+Connor Moore Well, with any luck they may make a movie like they did with Firefly, which was only on for one season and now has a movie.
i think..it was a great show..on its own. not in the stargate franchise. People (i admit i am one of those people) went there and expected the same like in SG1 and SGA the carefree humour the teamspirit and so on, but instead got this disfunctional group of stranded people with soap opera problems (in only remember some meaningless sex and unrequieted love theme at the beginning, from the last time i watched it). It might have changed for the better later on, but lots of people had already turned off their tv at that point, and i think that broke SGU's back.
looking at this scene here, i can tell that i would have enjoyed it.
Even if it was inside the Stargate universe...just...a different way of delivering it would have been great.
Connor Moore agreed! first they kill SG-1, Then Atlantis, then we get 2.5 of a 5 season SGU series. the guys making SGU even said they begged Syfy too give them 1 more season, so they could at least tie up the loose ends. but Nope, had too make room for wrestling! Then they killed the Atlantis movie SGA: Extinction. after that SG: Alliance the video game was killed. there were 2 more but I can't recall their names.
Well, when you take a show titled "Chloe Ruins Everything" [edit: sorry, that was the original title of this show], spend 1.5 seasons playing SWISS FAMILY STARGATE before you REVEAL THE POINT OF THE SHOW'S EXISTENCE...you can't expect anything BUT disappointment.
Wait there was going to be a Atlantis movie?
This was the point SG-U finally got interesting, and then they cancelled it....
The show correctly built up its core elements, and that takes time. I remember how the fanbase bashed and boycotted SGU, especially on Gateworld. I blame their impatience.
@@kellywsmar mweh they should have made the show more interesting from the start. It was okay but nowhere near atlantis and SG1.
elements were good, and that new story made it so much more interesting.
My main complaint is that the show was far too much people and not nearly enough "cool shit" plus the constant sex they kept having in other people's bodies while using the stones made me queasy
@@alexhampshire2421 that's a fair critic, I agree with you there.
@@themplar all you say is true, buy still not enough for people to boycott; given time, it would probably reach sg1/sga levels. Or not, we'll never know...
The irony here is this is how fans and SyFy saw the show.... in different ways. Rush, like the fans, wanted somthing big, deep and meaningful. Young, like SyFy... didn't... they just wanted the simpler stuff.
The simpler stuff was the bad part of the show. To many contrived romances and convoluted personal stories. If they focused more on the scifi like this scene the show would have been successful.
The plot of this show was about the show itself. A ship (like the series) was on its way towards a great, unknown goal, with characters thrown into an unknown environment (like the viewers). In Season 2, the hostile drones represented Syfy's TV executives trying to cancel Destiny without reason or purpose. When they developed shields for Destiny, the hostile drones flung themselves into the ship still damaging it. The characters in the end became suspended, not knowing what the future held, just like the viewers.
The more you think about this show, the more you realise how it represented what was happening to the show itself.
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Omg dude i never noticed that!😮
The ancients are the first version of humanity. They built the ship. They ascended to a level where they can observe and influence what happens. They created the humanity we see. In other words they are the writers. And the viewers. The plot of the show is to find out the story piece by piece. The ship was launched long ago with the original movie. The story has been suspended for now until eventually it gets reawakened and eventually the full meaning of the stargate universe is revealed. It is their destiny.
Robert Carlyle is such a wonderful actor.
... Yes! I love him 😍 Thank you for this comment.
“A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.” -Greek Proverb -
Or send starships to places their people will never see.
How about this - What happened to the Ancients who were on the Ship Destiny?
@@55Quirll The ship was launched unmanned as was the seed shps. The plan was to gate to the ship eventually once the ship was so far out but i am sure the plague and the the war in pegasus galaxy changed all that.
OK, that makes sense, but why was the life support system - air recycle system - shot when they got on board. I would have thought that all the non-essential systems would have been shut down till the Ancients gated aboard. I would also have thought that the Ancients would have build in a self repair system to take care of any damage that might have occurred during the trip. Lastly there should be a way to gate back to earth once they reached the end of the mission. Just thinking. Perhaps those things would have been revealed during the later parts of the series.
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Destiny is like what ~50million years old? Somehow i think at least some things would stop functioning correctly...
@@chris746568462 Don't forget Atlantis, it may be younger by a few million years but as far as I can tell, everything there works. I find it difficult to believe that a race as old and as advanced as the Ancients would not have had some type of repair system on board that would keep things in working order. I would also think that they would have some machines that would make the essentials that they needed. - like food, where would they get the food and water unless the machines on board made it. All that was needed was to find the on switch for the repair and replication devices and Destiny would be up and running at full capacity.
Netflix really needs to pick up this show and see it through to the end. It had so much potential to be the greatest of all the Stargate series.
How are they gonna justify the actors' aging?
A little to late for that even when you posted your comment
@@faith518 remereber that time movie different for destiny then Earth..... the whole time dlilation Law..... so they stay younger then people on earth
@@faith518 well they could make the actors have gotten a lot closer to the destination like a time jump.
@@Mercedesxoo They're searching the exact location where the universe started. They'll never reach it, cause it's too much of a mystery that anything the writers might come up with, is most likely gonna be wrong or inaccurate
Stargate, not just SGU, peaked in season 2 of this show. Idk what's the bigger tragedy: the fact that most viewers didn't stick around long enough to even reach this point where the "drive" of the show was established (albeit, the long wait until this may have deterred many) or that it was canceled right when so many concepts and character arcs were coming to fruition.
The last episode was actually nice,, they were gonna discover the origin of the universe,, and we're catching up to ships that were dropping the stargates
Somewhere out there, in a galaxy far far away. Destiny is still going beyond.
Hopefully the fuel was enough to not drop out from ftl, and they made it to the next galaxy. Because if they did come up short... :(
No it broke down
I miss this show... It became so great, not a typical, "Bad thing gets resolved in an episode or 2" Kind of thing. There was an underlying plot, and other plots sprinkled along the way to keep it interesting... (Rush by far, was my favorite, flaws and all)
I don't remember this scene, then again I didn't watch all of it. But this idea is present in several stories/shows. Halo comes to mind with the Precursors, a mysterious, extremely ancient, extremely advanced group of beings that were capable of God-like feats. But the idea that the Big Bang was an intentional event by an already existing intelligence that predates our own perception of Time itself. That's some deep shit.
doctor who also had something that predates this universe
It means Stargate was finally going to tackle, God himself, big G not little g. I'm curious as to what they would have done up with. I mean we already have seen ascended ancients,essentially "angelic beings", how could they have stopped that? We'll never know.
the precursors are said to be 100 billion years old and likely older as They would have to have a few million years to develop the domain
as the domain is a 100 billion years old so likely the precursors are 110 billion years old because the forerunner couldn't understand much of precursor tech neither could Ancient Humans
hey a star gate and halo Crossover is very much possible If we change just a little lore
@@AgentExeider i have been waiting for that tbh like for science to explain God lol, since they usually considered seperate. And stargate lore in general had so many different concepts like the terra forming or the self replicating machines created by ascended beings
I just started, only at the point where Rush attempts a coup in season 1. But can I just say… I am 100% team Rush. He is my guy! 😂, if people just listened and followed him this show would be so much better
THE Question, the first question, the oldest question in the Universe.... Who?
Kris zeeck The question that must never be answered, a question hidden in sight.
The question you've been running from all your lives...
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and here I thought it was "Can we find a camera guy with steady hands?"
The first question! The question that must never be answered, hidden in plain sight. The question you've been running from all your life. Doctor who? Doctor who? Doc-tor who!
Even now when I watch this I can not help but imagine that structure as being a blue box with Police written on it.
space cash.
@@guyincognito566 You left a trail of destruction across the universe to get here. You failed. Your universe will be quarantined.
Reality Enclosed Time And Relative Dimensions In Space Mechanism
ALONSIE!!!
The message was morse for: doctor, who?
I was never an SG fan, not SG, not Atlantis, none of it, but then Destiny came along, and it reminded me of some of the good literary SciFi, especially the likes of "Rendezvous with Rama". One good pointer to good tv and film SciFi too, is that, if a spaceship is involved, it''s instantly memorable in design, and they managed that with Destiny.
I'd really like to see this show continued, with the same cast, and at least the same budget, if not more...
+Toolpusher We can try and get Netflix to bring it back.
www.change.org/p/ted-sarandos-save-stargate-universe
+Joraco Jicaro the series is over get use to it mgm has already annoced there doing a reboot trilogy which start the whole series over from scratch
+Joraco Jicaro the series is over get use to it mgm has already annoced there doing a reboot trilogy which start the whole series over from scratch
Shawn Schaitel I know about the reboot, and I'll tell you this. So many movies are cancelled before they ever hit production, I'm not saying that would happen to this one, but there's so little hype following it, it wouldn't surprise me. I just hope this petition shows MGM that there still is an SGU fan base, and maybe it could be more profitable than any movie could be.
When i read the PR thing that mgm realsed they said the first film in the in the new trilogy will be re-imagined version of the original 1994 film (kinda like the new robocop film) and the other two will be based on it it and go to direction that both Emmerich and Devlin intended release date of 2017 earleir this year they hired the writes for it (the sam dudes as ID2 which comes out next year) with production expected late this year or some ttime next
This lill tidbit is exactly why i wish this show never got canceled!!!
I wish this would have never ended.
The SyFy channel died after they cancelled this show.
This is the one mystery I want them to solve in a new series. Get the Destiny people home and people who are devoted to this cause to solve it.
But thats very convenient isn't it... I believe this way jt would be somewhat different.... I mean jt would be very fun and exhilarating to watch Rush, Daniel and Sam... and ofcourse Rodney, zelenka for fun and awe of revelations. But everything will be solved in an instant...
I always had some theories on how this ends or how this should end properly, but no one of them were having a reaching-God end. Here’s some of interesting (IMO) scenarios of ending SGU.
1) The Ancients already gathered their missing pieces using Destiny's researches and it just floats around without being repaired by bots and some other stuff that's really needed in a million-year-spaceship with such an important mission. That explains a lot, but is a more realistic and a less interesting scenario.
2) The ship was not intended to be a taxi which takes you to the God. The Ancients created it to inspire civilizations for researches and uniting in a great intergalactic society not for wars. And Rush would find that but would delete the evidences to maintain the secret for the greater good. And tell about that ship to everyone for everyone in the ship's way to repair it a bit by a bit, making this a never-ending inspiring and most importantly a uniting galaxies story.
3) Something made the crew not wanting to go home. Like temporal anomaly which made them travel far ahead in time (and broke the communication stones). And they moved to read the archives and really understand and really start to believe in the Mission. The ship’s sensors registered that and Destiny automatically send info to the Ascended Ancients, which have materialized into the ship and showed them DA WAY so they could Ascend and decide their own destiny. So someone joined the Ancients, someone just went home and told the others DA WAY.
BUT
Here I split this scenario into 2 ways:
a) The Ascension would be just another step of granting possibilities to really gain information about that signal and how to do the semi-god things like forming the primordial matter with the special energies into the things you need (like wizards idk).
b) The Ascension opens a new dimension with hundreds of different civilizations of godlike creatures split into some ideological houses/clans which control different parts of space/time/dimensions. And here starts a some really other storyline.
All these are interesting possibilities, but i would be mad if scenario 1 was actually a thing 😂
Then the Ancients figured out Ascension and the Destiny became obsolete and uneeded.
The discovery of different planes of existence may have been part of the underlying purpose of Destiny. The "beings" that created the first structure and order in the universe may have been, in fact, some type of ascended being operating at a higher plane of existence.
@@Tap-a-roo you know the easy way off the ship for the crew? Have someone contact the ascended ancients. Get them to uplift the people on the ship and then make them mortals again on earth. Wouldn't even be interference in mortal affairs, because them getting stuck on the ship is a result of ancient activity.
That would have been not only unrealistic but also too easy.
The comments about the ascension are a good theory. The programmer of the Destiny more than likely created some way of sending detailed information to the stargate grid. This would also explain how their space maps were so well detailed.
@@user-tp5yb4hr4w my theory was that stills damaged portions of the ship.would have later let them use the stargate to communicate with earth, w/o the stones. The stones being the final product of what they had on the ship.
I MISS THIS SHOW.
I miss it too. It was Pure Adult and Serious Science Fiction. Great questions, normal people forced to deal face to face with the mistery (the Destiny and her mission), adventure in deep space... Too good for TV rating dictatorship.
Karekare Nohay Remember the episode where everyone died!
Taylor Smith: I remember two of these: one, when they have to send a kino to the past to prevent themselves from arrow-like aliens that are decimating the crew stucked on a planet surface, and the other, when the Destiny plays wargames into the mind of Col. Young, and the ship is destroyed by enemy ships once and again...
Great Sci-fi show!
Karekare Nohay I mean the first one, where the Stargate Time skip trick lets them find themselves after they've already died, and then more amazingly, when those very same aliens that murdered all of them on that planet later became super important because they were used to cure another blight that had befallen the crew... I mean people always bitch that they never make smart SciFi shows, well they do, people just never watch them.
Yeah, too long and complex for movies (not in the Michael Bay-JJ Abrams-Zack Snyder era), too good for TV... Maybe it ought to be a space on TV just for this special works of fiction, something like a Sci-Fi channel... ups!
Man I miss Stargate Universe
the problem was the first season, I rated this show as the worst SG series and never saw season 2
Most of the time, science fiction shows are marketed at action/adventure shows. That's what Star Trek was, that's what Babylon 5 was (to a certain extent), that's what Battlestar Galactica was (in it's first incarnation; not sure about the 2nd), that's what Firefly was and that's what SG-1 and Atlantis was. I loved all those shows, but the writers/producers decided to experiment with making a sci fi shows not as action/adventure, but as drama. That's what Universe was. Unfortunately, the fans didn't understand that and expected it to be another action/adventure show. As Connor Moore states, this had the *potential* to be a mind-blowing show because it basically dealt with science and interpersonal relationships. Look at all the long-running shows on TV: the CSI franchise, the NCIS franchise, Boston Legal, all those medical shows, House, ER, St. Elsewhere etc. etc. All of those shows are considered to be drama shows, not Action/adventure. Why can't science fiction shows also be looked on as potential drama?
ANK H Well, for one thing, because it was really bad drama. Terrible people being jerks to each other is not what most Stargate fans wanted to see.
Just because you put the typical “who has sex with whom?“, “who gets whom pregnant?“, “which two people are together but not allowed to?” and “guy loves girl who only sees him as a friend.” drama on a space ship, does not exactly make it into a sci-fi drama.
I liked SGU, but it was just very different to SG1 and SGA.
It was almost like a skin suit, but not as terrible as many shows these days, because at least it was still the original creators of the franchise who actually loved the show. (Many modern day series and movies are written by people who dont even like them....)
SG1 and SGA were:
scifi ++
adventure +++
comedy +++
action +++
drama+
SGU was:
scifi +++
adventure +
comedy +
action +
drama +++
Or something like that.
That's what made Battlestar Galactica so amazing, yeah we're in space ships with human looking robots and shit, but, to me at least, that was secondary to the "drama" of the politics, religion and human condition, 🤌
Just continuing writing the messages to the fragments of one show ended long ago for SyFy to know I still hate them for closing SGU. It's fall of 2019 and I'll be missing that show's end forever. You bastards, SyFy. Like really. Know it.
Mr. Gold making deals even before he was Rumpel.
Wow .. I never thought someone would mention Rumple around this show . :) Awesome !
😂
My own theory is about destiny is sort of like one of it's episodes. In the end they travel back in time to seed the universe and become the ancients. They are the ones that plant the signal. There is no second evolution. Which also leads reason as to why the ascended ancients have a hands off policy.
SGU became more and more amazing as season 2 went on. When they dropped all the whiny American "me me me" stuff and started pulling together, then Dr MacKay from Atlantis popped in, then finally they began to find a civilisation, the show was absolutely firing on all cylinders. Buy it on DVD and binge watch. Trust me.
"American me me me stuff" What a fucking dumbass. Like Americans are the only ones. Fucking hypocrite.
In fairness, it was a Canadian-American tv show. And in-story, the entire Stargate idea, including the Icarus project, is something only a superpower could manage.
"You guys are a battery that we use to power our air conditioner. Sorry?"
This one video proves beyond all doubt that this show was cancelled far too soon.
no, not soon enough, SGU was a bastardization of what made the stargate franchise good
This is a mind-blowing scene !
After finding out destiny was on a mission to find out if the beginning of everything was caused by somthing intelligent I nearly fell out my seat! gutted they axed this series.
I wish the show could come back somehow. That's probably not likely now that Stargate is being rebooted. I'd honestly be fine with a trilogy of novels to finish the story of SGU.
@@twmcgraw3035 They continued the story in a comic series.. I ordered the set, only ever received 1 comic.. Lol.. anyway, the next part after they go to sleep in the pods, Eli discovers another part of the ship with ancients in hibernation.. he re-animates them and they fix Destiny.. that's where my comic ends.
@@Sigrafix Dang, sounds like a good read
The show had potential, but it was ruined by the ridiculous communication stones and the terrorist raid at the end of season 1. These elements completely destroyed the sense of being lost in an unknown region of space, millions and millions light years away from Earth, when the main characters could magically swap bodies with people on Earth (for boring filler episodes by the way) and visit their friends and family... or when some rogue Milky Way organization can just use the Stargate to attack the ship at any time. For me, this show should've cut all ties with the whole Milky Way, the moments the characters stepped foot on Destiny and just focus entirely on survival, exploration of the unknown, the alien race that was chasing the ship, and the mysterious structures discovered in some of the planets visited by the crew. Atlantis did a way better job at this, with the only exception that the characters weren't lost, and they obviously couldn't cut ties with the Milky Way entirely, because Earth ships could still travel the distance.
When you ascend, do you find out what's in this stuff written in the very fabric of spacetime?
Well, they're pure energy, so they might be able to better understand the CMB, which is primarily made of microwave radiation (I think) but there's no guarantee they understand everything about it. They have to be doing _something_ up there after all, and they're certainly not paying much attention to their descendants.
When you truly ascend there is so much more than matter that it will seem insignificant to you. There is a technology that exists on the earth that allows one to know what you are talking about. It has all information written down within it believe it or not.
I LOVE SG, but I just couldn't get into this no matter how hard I tried. I envy those that were able to enjoy it. I hope they bring SG back in some form sometime soon.
I really felt that SG1 and Atlantis got stuff done, but this is a drama and they argue more than solving problems. Specifically this problem, which I would love to see solved. Then syfy killed the show. Great. Knowing the answer to this question would've really added some cool stuff to the SG universe, maybe even throw the Ori into the dust (yeahhh! Go humanity!!)
Nicholas Rush, Protagonist and main villain all at the same time.
I really wish SGU had 3 more seasons after this, along with Atlantis having 2 more seasons
it was sad that it went down like that. In my opinion it had huge potential. With an even more ancient and powerful civilization than the Ancients we knew. It was a good try to come back to the SG1 we know nothing and take on the big fishes Stargate vibe. It was a good idea since in the Milkiway and Pegasus Galaxies the Tauri had become a force to be reckoned with. And it wasn't too bad of an idea to show aus some kind of middle Avancement state of the ancients one that seems to be in between the Tauri now and the Pegasus Lanteans. All cool ideas but as good as the setup was as bad was the Team. Rush was a way too negative Mckay and we leaked the typical Oneil/Shepard character. I never truly felt home with the SGU Team unlike with all previous teams. I think that was it what killed it in the end.
I miss this
Sounds like the Base Code of the Universe they talked about in a Doctor Who episode.
In a universe where time travel is a reality it'd be disappointing as all hell if the message was just the Destiny crew fucking around in order to create a predestination paradox.
I've often felt that Rush was going to use whatever power he finds to go back and save his wife. In fact I feel that Rush himself might be the results of a loop, as he doesn't seem to care about people because he knows whats going to happen to them and is just trying to get back to the end again.
Sounds like the "humans" from Interstellar.
We already live on the starship Destiny, we already get our sustenance from a star. We already have been sent on our way by the Ancients. We are here, why not us? Stop saying we don't belong here, embrace it, move forward, stop looking behind us. A mystery rooted in the foundation of reality.
Rush found the question to the answer of the universe
Since we were robbed of a season finale, allow me to theorize what might have happened.
The final season has created a dilemma with the revelation that despite the immense distance it had traveled since launching thousands of years ago, Destiny was still not going fast enough to complete it's missing within the the crew's lifespan. Even at their present course, it would still take at least 200 years for the ship to reach its final destination.
So at this point the show ends up raising a morale dilemma of whether or not to continue the quest for the greatest scientific answer of all time, as doing so would doom 3 or 4 generations of their descendants to noting more than transit generations to allow for their great grandchildren to find the answers their grandparents decided was more valuable than their own life choices. Rush of course still thinks the mission is worth it, and eventually other members of the expedition including Sgt. Greer, Chloe, Varro, Park and TJ come over to his line of thinking. Each one of them realizing their lives have more meaning on Destiny than on Earth.
Eli however believes he may have found a way to get Destiny both to its final destination AND Earth within their lifespan. By fitting Destiny with an Asgard hyperdrive to allow Destiny to enter hyperspace. And then use FTL within Hyperspace, thus theoretically allowing between galaxies with an hour. But in order to achieve this, they need a new Icarus class planet to make the connection to Destiny. And a new one is found within the Milky Way. The only problem however is that is under the control of the Lucian Alliance, who have amassed a gigantic armada rivalling that of the System Lords, and have even been able to retrofit their ships with Ori weaponry. Even worse is that they have surviving Goa'uld among their ranks.
Stargate Command however is reluctant to risk their fleet going head-on into a potential slaughter. Not to mention that they would know their arrival would force the Lucian Alliance to dial Destiny, potentially causing the planet to explode and take out the Tau'ri fleet. Eli however makes a remarkable discovery that not even the Ancients knew was possible: The ability to reverse dial a Stargate. By inserting a specially made virus into Destiny's dialling computer. It would be possible to change an incoming wormhole to an outgoing wormhole, while still ensuring that the gate is still being powered by the Icarus class planet.
This plan allows for the Tau'ri to bait the Lucian Alliance into dialing Destiny, by launching a full scale attack on the planet. The LA do attempt to dial Destiny, but Eli's virus works. Not only does it reverse the polarity of the wormhole, but Eli is able to remotely embed a unique code to prevent the planet's core on the other end from going critical. So the final battle would see Carter leading the Hammond, Daedalus, Odyssey and Sun Tsu against the Lucian Alliance Fleet, while Young, Scott, James and Greer, lead a team on foot into the Lucian Alliance base to take their foe out from within.
The battle is long, but Carter realizes they're outgunned, due to the Lucian Alliance having access to Ori weapons. Scott is able to disable the Lucian Alliance's Anti-beaming shield, allowing for Telford and his team to beam down to the Lucian gate room along with the Asgard Hyperdrive and two ZPM's. They able to redial Destiny, Young and Scott however are reluctant to return to the Destiny. At this point in the story, Scott has had a falling out with Chloe, who's developed feelings for Eli. He and Young stay behind to prevent the Lucian Alliance from following Telford's team through the gate. They're both killed defending it. They also disable Eli's code, causing the planet to explode, and taking out what is left of the Lucian Alliance. Carter is able to jump away with the Hammond and Daedalus. However the Odyssey and Sun Tzu fall in battle.
One week later, Destiny is now retrofitted with the Asgard hyperdrive which is powered by the ZPMs, while FTL engines are powered by Destiny's power reserves, they conduct a test flight of activating FTL within Hyperspace. The first trip makes them realize they travelled into the void between galaxies in less than a minute. Meaning that Destiny now has to the means to travel to Earth. Partway through the trip however, it is discovered that the astronomical speed the ship is traveling is causing its internal structure to buckle. Yet Telford insists on pressing on to Earth despite Rush's objections. It takes a full year, but they arrive in Earth's orbit, right in the middle of a battle with the Lucian Alliance. The Tau'ri and Free Jaffa fleets are struggling to hold on. Destiny is able to turn the tide of the battle, taking out the remaining Lucian vessels but she sustains critical damage during the fight. Eventually losing sublight engines and crashing on the Moon.
Destiny's crew has returned home, but they failed to complete a million year old mission. Not all is lost however. As in the moment of sorrow, the Ancients finally break their ascension rules and decide to assist humanity. As they learn that the knowledge from Destiny's mission is too important to abandon. They retrofit the George Hammond with a top of the line FTL drive, allowing it to continue Destiny's mission. However they also inform the Tau'ri that even with the new speed. It will still take them at least 20 years to reach their final destination. While most of the Destiny crew choose to return to Earth. Many of its notable crew members including Rush, Eli, Chloe & Greer decide to travel with the Hammond back to the point in which Destiny left off. They have also now picked up some new notable crew members: Samantha Carter, Daniel Jackson, Rodney McKay & Jennifer Keller. The series ends with the Hammond making its final voyage into the depths of the Universe. The crew knowing full well, they may not live long enough to see Earth ever again.
Started strong then you got a little too big like you were trying to solve every left over problem from every Stargate series in one shot.
@@michaeldaniels642 something had to do it. SGU is the last series of the franchise.
@@DayneTreader last so far. There's a new one in the works.
I wasn’t the biggest SGU fan but scenes like this make me wonder what could have been. With a little tweaking SGU could have surpassed SG1 and Atlantis if it weren’t for shortsighted SyFy execs.
One(of many) things that bugged me about the show (which had huge potential never tapped) was the continuous whining about going back home. Really?! What could they possibly accomplish or experience back home that was more important or interesting then being on Destiny.
Being with family and other loved ones that you never agreed to be leaving behind. If the Destiny had all the comforts of home, then it may have been less of an issue, but they're basically living like the refugees on Battlestar Galactica. There is an important distinction between "I never signed on for this" and "this is the mission I signed up for" the latter only applying to Dr. Rush and maybe Eli.
Rush had the potential to be the next Ori if he had that power.
In my one opinion, He would gladly serve ori to know the secrets of the options, but in another opinion, he wouldn't take the easy way
It's infuriating that we never got to see where this goes. They cancelled the series just as it was getting good.
I hate this show was cancelled. Yes, it was nowhere as light-hearted and humorous as SG1 or SGA, but I found SGU's unique atmosphere to be quite refreshing and enjoyable. Of course, we know that's a big reason for the show's downfall, but this show could have been soo awesome!!!
Great show
I still miss it, even now ...
I really wish Stargate went the way of Trek in terms of continuing TV stories through books. I would love to read a book series about how this all ends in the event that this show never gets resolved
i really miss all the stargate series 😭😭😭😭😭
you are not alone but i think we will never get a stargate tv show or movie ever again. It's been 10+ years already and the fans are getting older and so is everyone who were involved in making the movies and tv shows. It's been a blast while it lasted but i think it is time to move on indefinitely.
its THE TIMELORDS
ITS HEADING TO GALLIFREY
Geez... now that WOULD be a hell of a crossover!
It would also answer the question of how they'd get home again lol
if the ancients ascended...did they actualy learn what was going on with that or is that still a pay grade or two above that?
i doubt it. i think they lost interest after destiny was launched and had to deal with the wraith and goaulds.
thanks for beeing able to read...oh wait
@@raver377 huh?
@@kerosoldier i literaly asked if they learned the truth AFTER they ascended and you talk about how they had to deal with other things like wraith and shit
@@raver377 I would still say they lost a lot of their interest and curiosity. They did not care much about the Ori or mortals, I doubt they care about the origin of the universe. Their existence shown in the diner scenes always made "afterlife" look so bleak.
Not in the CMB, behind it, reconstructing a cohenernt pattern in the background gravitional radiation that it originates from, the beggining
Even when I watched this back then, I wished they did something with the lighting outside the window as the ship was on a rotating axis. Just would have been a nice visual touch to a talking head scene.
I'm a scifi fan and as far as i know SGU was never screened on mainstream TV here in Britain for some unknown reason, and I only discovered it years later on youtube and went out and bought the DVD boxed set.
It was live on Sky One.
Not sure what his plan is. The ship is a million years old with no end in sight.
This was getting so good too. 😭
The John locke of the stargate universe
Everyone acts like this is some kind of novel philosophical prospect, when it's literally what humans have believed since before recorded history: we, our world, and everything that exists was created from scratch by an all powerful, all knowing being with a mind, consciousness, and will that desires order, growth, and development. This is literally what God is. It's a rather recent development that people commonly believe we're purely physical beings resulting from blind chance without consciousness.
No body like reason neither the things we can't undestand .That's why we are here still puzzling ourselves with out try to resolve our intent to advance forward in trough reason.
-Benitez
So my question has always been when the ancients ascended did they learn what the cosmic background radiation thing was?
Not a clue... It's something we'll never find out.
From my understanding, ascended beings don't automatically gain all knowledge, but can learn and explore as much as anyone else (albeit a heck of a lot faster and further than the Ancients managed to get to with their technology, etc)... but going back to the mortal plane would mean having to give up all that knowledge anyway.
Honestly though, the Ancients took up learning about and committing themselves to ascending because they realised that Destiny would take far too long to read this supposed structure. At that point, you have to figure they gave up caring about said structure.
BYERE the ancients ascended because of the plague. It was either that or be killed
Someone argues because they ascended, they acquired a new way of understanding of the universe so that they don’t see the relevance in decoding the message/structure
I dont think so.
They acquired a new way to discovering and understanding the universe, but they never got to the "gist of it all" I believe.
I mean the ascended Alteran were able to hide from the ascended Ori in a different galaxy.
One would think, if you unravelled all mysteries of the universe, you would be kinda omniscient as well as omnipotent.
At least that is the impression I got from SG1. Especially in the 200th episode where the "alternative T'alc" said something about finding salvation in discovering the secrets of the universe, which is a little bit similar to gnosticism an ancient religion here in the real world.
stargate universe wasn't much Stargate but I really cloud be a good scifi series!
Well... they did HAVE Stargates, and I doubt any sci-fi show could have had anything similar without getting into legal dispute with the owners of the Stargate IP.... so yeah, its Stargate for the simple reason that Stargates exist in it
@K1productions
Very little of the story actually needed Star Gates though. Stargates in Universe mostly where a device to get of the ship to somewhat nearby planets. Most of the times one episode later the planes already could no longer be reached. More like the transporter in Star Trek. I mean sure they had a longer range than the Star Trek transporter but they where no longer the main means of travel like in the other Star Gate shows.
That premise they inconspicuously slipped in amidst personality conflict between the two major characters had the potential to build a metaphysical quality to science fiction, giving it purpose beyond technological utopias or dystopias that could have reflected our own real world metaphysical absence instigating the changes we need to survive as a species. So…no loss here.
Family Guy explained the background radiation. It was Stewie.
I always wondered if you could just trace the Stargates back to earth. Destiny found the ship that seeds Stargates as it flies so why not just trace the Stargates back. Take one that goes as far back toward earth as possible, then the next and the next. They could probably get back to Atlantis at least.
They wouldnt ever be able to do that since they have no way of using the Stargates between galaxies.
@@MadsenTheDane Two problems with your idea: one, the Stargates were designed for intergalactic use - otherwise, the Pegasus and Milky Way galaxies wouldn't have been in contact during "Atlantis." Two: the gate onboard Destiny wasn't ever powerful enough to use all seven symbols for intergalactic (i.e., back to Earth, or to Atlantis in the Pegasus galaxy) because the ship had aged so much since it was built. But that problem could be overcome; when Destiny recharged itself while flying through a sun's corona, THAT would have been a perfect time to dial up a gate that was close, and use it to get back to Earth. The ship's systems and logs (once Rush deciphered the codes to access them) would have had that information; along with any ships that seeded Stargates along its' flightpath. The crew could have started its' "hop back to Earth" mission at that point - when the ship had enough reserve power to fully run its' gate.
@@SeatBill yes they could use the destiny gate, or an Atlantis gate because they had Enough power to do so.
But she was talking about finding their way back by using all the gates the seed ships had used, one gate at the time. But that wouldn't work since the gate on its own isn't designed to be able to reach a different Galaxy, it needs a huge power source. And they don't have that
@@MadsenTheDane You're going to have to re-read my post; I don't think you understand what I said before.
@@SeatBill Destiny crew tried the "dial 9th chevron while inside the gate" twice.
Sound like the base code of the universe talked about in Doctor Who that would let the being who understood it to change everything about the universe. Like the device in that pyramid that could let Anubis rewrite all life.
man oh man.. that was one of the most incredably mind grapling video ive watched in a long long time..!! what if .., what..??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
The show was good but was spoilt somewhat for me by the mumbled dialogue making it hard to follow the plot at times....PS- I also didn't like that "communication stones" business where they pop into peoples bodies on earth and vice-versa, I usually hadn't a friggin clue who was in who's body.
If they just dropped the Stargate from the title, and just name it Universe, it would pass as a very good sci-fi drama show.
Definitely keep it in the Stargate universe and use the stargate storyline but don't use the title.
People expect humor and action with Stargate, thats why it failed. I love humor and action and I also love mystery and drama.
You couldn't have HAD the show without Stargate. Its entire premise was built around the Ancients as well as the Stargates themselves. If you had a sci-fi show that had anything remotely similar to a Stargate, then it would have been immediately sued for it.
@K1productions
It was build around the Star Gates? How? Except for the initial getting on the ship the Star Gates could for a large part just as well be replaced with short range FTL shuttles. The whole concept of having a fleet of AI vessels fly in front of your manned vessel just so that your crew has a way to get off your ship, does sound overly complicated anyways.
Also considering that Star Trek had the Iconian gateways years before even the Star Gate movie was produced, Star Gate hardly could block all shows from using the concept of Gates to travel around.
Reminds me of a Princeton University S.E.T.I. talk, I've once attended.
The Physics involved, was complex, but understandable. I got it.
But this science fiction, story by Rush about a message in the CBR?
Really, don't know about that. ;P
"Embrace It... move forward..."
this scene makes me think some esoteric messages were in here. just food for thought for anyone who is awake!
The message? It was:
Where is the nearest Taco Bell?
All of the Stargate Series were an esoteric message, finally someone other than me saw it. It everywhere in SG1
Hey my your more than right always when one gets into a show this is how it happens.
i watched Babylon 5 when i was a kid, i had this idea before...all the older races would "go beyond the rim and wait for the younger races" i always took as the rim of the universe not the galaxy... then they would either find another universe or battle some other equal but evil forces for their universe or create a new universe themselves to live in, or other dimensions if that dont work but they always sorta shunned other dimensions, because its not where they belong kinda thing.
what else do you do after whats it called...energy death or whatever. gotta start a new universe and hopefully dont explode yourselves doing it.
or at least start a new universe for someone else so things dont end(for all you know) if you cant be in it.
Does anyone else expect that Destiny was going to discover that Ancient Humans created the universe?
That's how we created a way to ascension also the way on travel thru time...
Could this signal and the understanding of it is what allowed the ancients to ascend?
So, the Destiny has a very sophisticated AI?
God this show had SUCH potential...
Its really fucking sad that weve already met beings that know the answer and their answer when we ask it they say “youre not ready” or “you need to get the answer yourselves”
I have a problem with SGU I think it could have been much better than it was. This mission is one of them.
Ladies and Gentlement... Robert Carlisle!
Damn i loved this series. It was a sad day when they cancelled it. It would have outshone all other Stargate series aside from the original movie and SG1.
Mitch krulock no, absofuckinglutely not. This is a stain on the series
Its hilarious that the ancients probably already know that now but aren’t telling cause stuff
Very few Sci fi properties deal with a scale this large.
Star Trek barely ventures outside a quarter of our galaxy.
Star Wars plays out in only half of 1 most of the time.
Stargate Atlantis went to a new galaxy.
Stargate Universe does it's name justice...............they fly around throughout the known universe.
Billions and billions of light years.
now that's a fascinating premise.
I loved this show.... but I found so many flaws in Rush's ideas and premises! I saw nothing but self-adolation and pride in him! Why keep so many secrets? If he was CONVINCED it was the ultimate responsibility of the crew to complete Destiny's mission.... why didn't he reveal the bridge to the crew when he first discovered it? Why didn't he bring Col. Young, Eli, and everyone else in, once he'd broken the codes of the ship, and accessed its' entire logs? *He wanted to keep that information to himself; why? Because he wanted to MANIPULATE it, and turn it to his own perceptions and agenda!* Sound familiar?
The reasons why ancients abandoned destiny is because of the discovery and research into ascension they wouldn't have a need for a ship to learn what's at the end of the ships destination because once they ascended they gained the knowledge of the universe without the need for technology
The show was very well produced and entertaining, but too many episodes were "ship-bound" meaning there was not enough gating down to explore exciting new planets, perhaps that's why viewing figures dropped of in series two.
During its run on SyFy, which was a premium cable channel of all things, the show was moved around the schedule a lot. When MGM went into bankruptcy protection, SyFy did not pick up the show for a third season.
networks could care less what the fans watch. a good complex story doesnt appeal to the masses like brainless comedies and predictable drama does,, thats thats why this show was cancelled... cost too much for the few of us that understand it to make... the mindless drones that watch tv shows have no interest in a good sci fi show
Very true!
They had a good idea but no idea where to take it
It was a fucking crime that they cancelled this! It could have gotten at least 5 seasons worth. Maybe even 10 considering the story behind this series. Unlimited
Could someone please post the footage with the computer image (from the Destiny's bridge screen) of the Background Radiation structure itself??? That would be much appreciated.
Wait. If Ancients ascended, don't they already know the answer ? Won't that make Destiny mission obsolete - at least for them ?
Such a cool concept. I would have loved to see this series concluded. The problem was that while it was good Sci-Fi it was not good Stargate. The previous 15 seasons of Stargate had developed a particular style and character all it's own. Then they throw it all out for this emotional, swiveling camera, out of focus, acoustic guitar mess. I think it's safe to say this was "The Last Jedi" of the Stargate franchise.
I wish it would return where they left off!
Rush was right... but his own worst enemy (like all toxic narcissists).
They should have just threatened McKay with a citrus, and he would have figured out the mystery and finished Destiny's mission within one, max two episodes.
Even with the lowest budget stargate had during universe theyvstill made it great