Dulling Balisongs is Fine, Actually. 🔪➡🥄👌
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- Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
- It's actually fine to dull your balisong if it suits you. Just do it the right way!
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For those wondering, he teaches how to dull it at 12:10
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@@mavie2687 ayo
I actually like my live blades almost completely dull, aside from my kraken which I keep sharp cause I use if for utility purposes (cutting and opening stuff). For me I like the look and the craftsmanship of a live blade, but I don't actually want to slice my hand open. Having a dull live blade is also an awesome training tool, as you can very easily and instantly tell which side hit you, but you don't actually get cut. It may hurt, but no blood is drawn and you can continue to flip afterwards. Dulled live blades are my favorite type of balisong, awesome look, amazing training tool, and no risk of hurting myself so bad I can't pursue my other hobbies or even flip for a few days. Awesome video will!
About to get my first live blade and I think I would prefer it to be very dull like you describe, how would you recommend dulling your bali?
I dont have a live blade, since its just completely illegal to have a functional balisong where I live. (Just flat out, entirely illegal, no exceptions nothing.) And I just salivate at some of the live blades I see online. Some of the shapes in combinations with their handles are just beautiful. Some look elegant, some almost brutal. So i gues what I wanted to say is I totally get that lol
@Jacob Schalkofski same way will described in this video, but with slightly coarser sandpaper (I use 1000 grit) and do it more time
@@TelestroFlips Does your method still leave the knife easily resharpenable?
Underrated comment. Blade is definitely still able to be resharpened but does cut me. I'm a massage therapist so being able to flip blade edges without slicing my hands open is amazing. I used 1000 grit as well and just kept sanding it until it didn't feel sharp anymore.
I ain’t gonna trash talk anyone that dulls their knife. But I hate when people show off their knife and tell everyone that their knife is sharp but in reality is dull. And I don’t care if you flip dull, just don’t try deceiving everyone. And your knife will eventually dull naturally by dropping it(flippers edge). And Will keep your vids man there real informative!!!
Flippers edge is a good way of putting it!
Never really considered dulling, but now I'm really interested in a tutorial to see more of the entire process. Just got my first live blade a few weeks ago and am still kind of figuring out how to fit it into my normal routine. The reduced risk of cuts is really enticing.
I'm imagining it would hurt resale value a little bit though? Even though a proper dull can be sharpened again, there's probably uncertainty about if the seller dulled their edge correctly?
Factory edges don't tend to be anywhere near as good as one can get at home, so I doubt that dulling the blade would reduce the resale value any more than just taking the balisong out of the packaging.
I have a dull, tanto, kraken that I’ve beat to death and use for work every day. Literally perfected every trick that I know on that thing and it works very good for utility purposes like cutting rope, opening boxes, opening bags, and occasionally used as a flat head screw driver. I love it and when I move on to another knife to beat, I’ll keep it because of everything I learned on it.
5:22 my brain telling me will is gonna skin his finger that entire segment
i agree with most of what you said, but i would have liked if you discussed selling it on the secondhand market after you have dulled it. if people want to dull their live blades they need to understand that it might decrease the resale value and they need need need to disclose what they have done to anyone who wants to buy the knife in the future.
Oh yeah 100%, I should bring that up in a future video!
I have dulled my lucha by just using it as needed. It did take a while but now it’s hysterically dull and borderline a trainer 😂
Happy Birthday Will! (p.s. I own only trainers, but if i did have a live blade i would most certainly dull it. I dont want to have to explain to people that i was playing with a knife and cut myself)
Good video! I think it's also worth mentioning that dulling just naturally happens with flipping and using your knife. If you drop your balisong it may dull, mar, or even chip your blade, and that's just part of ownership, for me personally I like to at least have a good working edge. So my balisong may not be razor sharp but I can say one thing. I've never met a flipper who received some sort of special street credit for flipping an incredibly sharp bali and I certainly don't feel ashamed for not having the sharpest blade.
Didn't hear about someone dropping their balisong on a kid at Blade Show until now, but honestly at that point it's just flat out negligence. Regardless of if they've dulled their knife, or even if they're flipping a trainer, don't walk around crowds of people flipping. No one wants to get shit dropped on them no matter how dull it is, and it just all around makes people nervous. Even if you know your knife is dull/is a trainer blade, other people don't know that. Be responsible and be cautious of your surroundings.
I understand that however if your at blade show you should be comfortable enough to be around others flipping trainers, but I also believe you should still be heavily cautious flipping around anyone
Putting a convex edge onto a bali is another good option. You can do this with a mousepad and some really fine grit sandpaper. A convex edge wont have the same "razor sharp" bite but are still a great utility edge. With the added bonus of being a super strong edge that will survive more abuse.
I am a big fan of having bali's with a utility edge that is useful but not obnoxious. I also carry a normal pocket knife for tasks that need a razor edge as you mentioned!
Thanks for the video Will!
Idc what anybody does with there balisongs as long as it makes them feel good and makes them enjoy using it more then that is all that matters! The judgement in this community is pretty sickening at times and alot of immaturity. Good thing is we also have alot of great people in the community also.
"tussy" that is my new favorite word
Why do I get the feeling the story at the end about the child getting stabbed in the leg with a real sharp balisong at a blade show is a real story
man you really tear it up with the tsunami, some real inspirational flipping even so casually
Just look up a tutorial on how to dull a regular folder knife and do the same thing in your balisong. Everything you can do with a regular knife, you can do with a balisong because it is just a different type of knife
the emoji's at the end of the title is a staple of this channel🔪👍❤
3:16 just saving where I am
4:06 I really wanted him to say “like a human finger”
Happy birthday Will!!
I dull all my liveblads, but just a part of it, and only so much that this part cant cut me anymore, but still hurts so i still have to flip good
I was very pleased when I was able to buy a Medusa from Fellowship directly that there's an option for an unsharpened blade. All the look and feel, none of the risk.
That purple is awesome🤗
i feel the hate may just come from the more knife community than the balisong community. it just sucks seeing a nice knife lose its flare in the work of the making of the cutting edge. but its the buyers money so they shouldn't be told what to do with there knife that they spent good money on
Me personally, I prefer my dull knives to not be sharp at all. If I pressed my finger and slid it against the edge, it wouldn’t get a cut. Mostly because I don’t cut things on the regular and I like the look of the “live” blade more than trainers usually
I love this! as a novice flipper, i like to "tip" my live blades on a 1000 grit sharpening stone, makes aeriels a lot less scary
Thought about buying of the same blade, and completely dulling one of them so that its more of a trainer with the same weight and center of gravity as the live blade
Congrats for 20k subs🐔🎉
thanks for the tip!!! i might actually start doing this on my live blades
Having a sharp edge keeps you in check when I’m comes to learning tricks sometimes you’ll think you’re good with a dull blade and switch over to a live and get cut a lot more than you should
@@Flipalot you've got to be very careful to practice like it is razor sharp and respect the blade if you plan on trying others on the future
Flippity Floppity 😍🍓
I mean, personally, I agree with your viewpoint.
Since a balisong is a "flipping toy" in the modern community, I see no shame in dulling a sharp blade.
- Well why don't you purchase trainers instead of dulling live blades?
Not all balisongs with live blades exist as trainers, it is much more affordable to dull a blade than to purchase a custom trainer blade to swap out the live blade.
I understand why people might scuff over the thought of dulling live blades, "are you not just making it worse/non-useful?
Well, yes and no. To a lot of people, a balisong is just a toy, they don't want it for mainly cutting things, therefore I believe it is up to the user to decide if
he/her/it wants to keep their fingers and lose useability or if they want to maintain the useability and have a higher chance of cutting him/her/itself.
I sliced my ring finger to the bone on a Revo nexus. Right at the base of the finger through the webbing in between the ring finger and pinky. Didn't feel a thing probably because of how sharp the knife was. Wasn't my best day.
I just wet the blade and run it six times lightly on cement.
Can vouch for will here, lost a portion of my fingernail due to a balisong and it's affecting my work alot, so do be mindful of the consequences of your knives!
Cutting rubber hose will take that edge right off and can be resharpened later. A few slices on wood works well too. That way you ease into dulling instead of jumpjng right in and ruining it. You definitely don't want to over dull cause you can take it beyone an easy resharpen.
love your videos and you inspired me to start flipping
Denim, leather and or yellow drywall finishing foam blocks. Or the really slim water color painter masking tape. . Best to everyone.
Thanks for touching on this topic Will. I've dulled a few of my balisong if I was uncomfortable with them.
Not dissing or anything but you don't actually entirely understand how sharp edges work on a microscopic level. A lot of info in the first part of this video is inaccurate
Respect bro
see i get what you mean but i loves knives just as much as i like flipping so intentionally dulling a knife hurts my soul but i definitely don't sharpen my balis when they get dull happy accidents
this is the reason i got the artsea flips nabalis trainer instead of yours, because I can sharpen it once I've learnt the tricks I want to instead of buying a whole new knife (even tho if I'm being honest ill probably buy 100 new knives anyway lmao)
I have many folders for cutting things. Even a very sharp balisong isn't as comfortable to use for cutting chores. Balisongs have longer blades and handles compared to most folders. My favorite folder blade length is 3.25-3.5 inches. A shorter blade works better that a long blade for detail cutting. I haven't dulled any of my balisongs, but I can't see any reason to sharpen any of them either.
Getting cut sucks in nursing school since I'm in the hospital and need my hands lol. Not trying to start an IV with my left hand.
Make an unedited video of dulling your obsidian on cardboard boxes lmao... that s90v would take days to dull like that lol
I thought the title said duelling 😭😭
I just let my balisongs naturally dull through use and I just don't sharpen them as often as I would my work knives, but another good way to dull your balisongs without ruining them is to very very lightly run the blade along the bottom of a coffee cup 2 or 3 times and it takes away that "razor edge", make sure not to apply any pressure or you absolutely will make it much harder to get sharp again if you ever want
awesome
i keep mine just sharp enough to peel apples and cut cardboard
def more fun and less scary but still useful
I actually did this with my very first (garbage) balisong.
I guess I sort of do it with my live blades too just because I'm not great at sharpening my blades and they naturally get dulled by using them for stuff.
Lol the emoji title lol
u are the best balisong flipper i have ever seeeeeeennnnnnnn
I taped up my Lucha up so I don’t get cut, but I’m definitely going to dull it and tape it
*dulls brandon's live blade on concrete*
its like you read my mind. I was going to ask this question on Reddit.
the first time ive had a live blade was ive just slicing it with a rock lmao
This was a good video will I don’t personally dull my Balisong but i see the point in it I only give my friends a hard time about it as a joke. People can dull their knives to this degree I just hate when people just run it over a stone and destroy the edge.
Balis are knives, knives get dull. Theres a reason sharpeners exist
Hey Will! Any chance you’ve been able to get your hands on an opus yet?
Ima newb with 2 rings of shame and I think there's nothing taboo to modding the edge at all. It's better to flip without fear, then feel like your finger will fall off👌⚔️💯
I think a latchless balisong is better for my edc needs, but I just use my talisong's baliboot. and I keep it razor sharp for work. And I think balisongs make better edc knives in cases where you need a sturdy knife for lots of cutting that can be opened quick, and closed with one hand. OTF's are not sturdy enough for me and i don't like springs, and folders are normally too small of a blade. Also picked up the volp, its crazy good for 65!
can u do a tutorial on the combo u do with the \Chaplin to full twirl under hand thumb rollover combo
Hey, I was wondering if you could tell me how to not get strikes from UA-cam, I just got one and I want to avoid getting anymore. I would really appreciate it.
I only flip trainers now. Getting cut fucking sucks ass. Flipping is just about fun for me not about the potential risk of injury lol.
A less than razor sharp blade is way cooler than a trainer. I wouldnt be caught dead with a trainer outside my house. Id only use it to learn a crazy trick then go to the real knife.
I was thinking of getting a bm47 clone and dulling the edge. I only flip trainers and I kinda hate the BM4x trainer blade shape. I love the 47 shape but have no interest in live blades.
Nice flipping
Medusa review? maybe?
I just haven’t sharpened my knives so they’re kinda not as sharp but will still fuck ya up if your not being respectful 🤣
What's the balisong u used? A nami ?
I just use mine until it’s dull and don’t resharpen. I’d never intentionally dull my knife just cuz that’s too much work and I’m lazy😂😂 Live blades just flip BETTER, if you dull it intentionally to make it not as sharp but still the same flipping quality, what’s wrong with that?!
I do kinda miss getting cut and always having bandaids on my fingers though lol, even though it sucks sometimes.
That's basically exactly how dull I keep it
You inspire me
Can this also make it fully dull?
@WillHirschFlips should i get a live blade balisong for christmas like a krake raken and prob not be able to get any other gifts but i could also get an arctic and then get some lube and some other stuff I NEED U TO ANSWER THIS PLEEEASE
Both the Krake Raken and the Antarctic are fantastic, so I would go with whichever looks coolest to you!
@@WillHirschFlips ok thank you!
Wait so did someone actually drop their knife on some poor kid at blade show?
Yes
Fish
This day in age, there seems like no reason to dull a live edge. Dulling a live edge, why have trainers? I have no problem with people doing it, but I would never ruin my edges on purpose or buy one that gets dulled secondhand. To each their own.
Trainers don’t look as pretty as live blades😌
@@bonkerswonkers22323 No, they don't. Which is why it should be something exciting to be able to move up to a live blade.
Where can you buy sharpened ballasongs bc all I can find are trainers
Aliepress, slash2gash, BRS, etc
if someone showed me the begining of the vid with no context I would have thought he was talking about watch p*^( or something.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hey Will, how do you get the oils from your hand off of your balisong? I've dropped mine many times from the slick handles! Also thanks for making great content like always
I know many who use isopropylic alcohol for cleaning balisongs. Especially pivots etc.
I just use a bit of water and a microfiber cloth!
If you were to locktite your zen pin screw do you have to wait the full 12 hours
Me watching this video with like 15 scars on my index finger like :0.. Never thought of dulling it xd.. Im an uni student anyway so it doesn't really bother me
I get that some people do that, but I think it's part of the hobby and fun. Yes it sucks when you got cut, (I'm writing this as I have a really bad cut on my index) but my issue is when people say they have super sharp knives and then dull them to wear they don't cut anything.
I also think that it makes you have better habits as a flipper. This is a hobby and great if you don't care if you get hit on the bite handle by all means flip that way. However, for people who are flipping as a sport and in the traditional way, having a sharp knife will make you think twice before you try a crazy flip. It keeps you on edge and gives you part of that adrenaline rush. I also think it's cool to show off. Saying it's razor sharp and shaving some of your hairs off or cutting something impresses the heck out of a crowed.
I also like to edc balisong, it's a good fidget toy and a good knife. People say "balisong are impractical" when in reality they're very good knives. In order for a balisong to fail both handles have to break. The pressure of your hand also keeps it in place. By no means is it an idea carry and the only reason is it doesn't have a glass breaker. Which is something I need for my job.
All in all, I get what you're saying will, but I really think there's a good argument not to dull your knives.
It's fine if you think the fact you can cut yourself adds to the hype, but I can assure you it doesn't "impress the heck out of a crowed" in an all across the board sense. I think most of us into flipping are into it for the artistry of it and how clever the tricks can be. Not because edgelord can cut himself. There is a large portion of us that think that mentality is just childish and cringey, not impressive. The quality of your tricks will define you, not the sharpness of your blade.
@@ahorserunning and that's completely fine if you think that's childish, however I'm just saying some people have this mindset and I do think there's an argument for it to be more impressive with a life blade than a trainer. Heck flipping competitions require you to use a live blade in states that it's legal to have a live bali song
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tipping is not fine, and you cant change my mind
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Anybody who sees this, please read fully.
I don't want to come off as an asshole here, but you have some misconceptions about knife edges. There is a debate around a toothy vs smooth edge, but your description of it seems very misinformed. First of all, a fine edge(or any edge for that matter) is not soft, it is brittle. The reason an extremely sharp edge is more delicate and dulls quicker is because its thinner, and any sideways force will either chip the edge, or in the case of softer steels bend it, forming a burr.
The thickness of the material being cut also does not impact which edge type you should choose for most effective cutting, but the type of material does. A razor will cut a tomato much more effectively than it will cut rope. A toothy edge is good for long fibred material, while a razor edge is better for pretty much everything else. A razor edge also does not really cut through force. It is ground to be so thin that it can split molecular bonds. You just need enough force to get the edge between molecules. A knife will also never be able to cut you simply on contact. You need to push the edge into the gaps between molecules, and then a bit further to separate the bonds completely. A knife that can slice a tomato that's free standing will not cut you simply by touching the edge, your skin has more give to it than tomato skin. Think of it sort of like a cast saw, it can cut a stiff material with ease, but just feels weird against your skin.
Cutting through a rope over and over also does not dull a knife by smoothing out micro-serations, it bends the edge over because you're using too much force. Using a piece of leather, no compound, to strop it would bring it back. To cut rope you want some serrations that will hook onto and tear fibers, smaller serrations will hook less fibers at a time and make it easier to tear them, adding downward force won't help except to dull the knife quicker.
The sandpaper technique is creating a much more dangerous knife for when you make a mistake that isn't just messing up a wrist pass. It will still cut you, like you've said, but you just made a slightly fatter edge, with MORE micro serrations, that will cut you far worse than a razor when it does cut you. 4-5k grit is low grit if you're talking about knife edges. My stones alone go up to 8k, my hone thats made for straight razors is around the 15-20k+ mark, and stropping compounds are measured in microns. When I re profile a butchered edge I start at 2k if its not that bad, or 1k if its got visible chips.
You have a lot of good advice, but this isn't really that. The argument of dropping a knife into a kids leg is irrelevant to sharpness, only a trainer would save them from serious injury in that instance. The dull knife will just make a cut that is harder for doctors to put back together. You should not be flipping a live blade with anyone near enough to you that they are within range of a drop, period.
I am not trying to flame you or anybody who's scared of/doesn't want to get cut here. I am speaking from experience, I have cut myself with dull knives, and I've cut myself with near razors. I gave myself a ring of shame with my lucha after bringing it to a mirror edge. Cut receipt paper like it wasn't there sharp. Didn't even notice id given myself a ring of shame because it didn't bleed for a solid minute. I've also nearly cut my thumb off with a very toothy edge. Didn't even have to look to know I cut it, took a chunk of my thumbnail and almost completely severed a part of the tip, still don't have feeling in that thumb tip. I have also dropped a dull, and I mean dull, live blade on my foot. Despite the tip being rounded it went straight to bone, ill never have full feeling in my right pinky toe because of it. The only saving grace in it being dull is that I didn't need to pick out a piece of the tip, but otherwise that was the most painful cut I've ever received. Couldn't walk for 2 days and bled through my soccer cleats every practice for most of a week.
TLDR, a razor sharp, and I mean razor sharp, edge will cut you with less force than a dull one. But,, ost mistakes you will make with a balisong exceed the amount of force required for a toothy edge to cut you anyway, and the cut you will be left with will take longer to heal, if it ever heals 100%.
Don’t you love cleaning off tape residue off of your live blade and it sticking to your cloth and almost chopping your finger off? Well i don’t so I’m definitely dulling mine just a little 😅
? It's fine, I prefer dulling over trainers
Hey
Most people will get mad at this but beater krakens are better knives then mint krakens.
how so?
@@steveglitter Dulls the blade, loosens tolerances in, breaks in the washers, and gives it more grip.
@@dr.fishman2342 i can vouch lol
A Balisong is a stupid weapon. It’s made to be flipped around. Any argument to its practical application, as a weapon or tool (in comparison with any other type of knife,) will be refuted by me personally.
On the flip side, there’s nothing wrong with just flipping it about for kicks. Dull them all.
just thought id share a saying "a dull knife is 9 times out of 10 more dangerous then a sharp one' i dulll my knives as well and if you dont dull them completely the cuts youll get will be way worse and nastier then a sharp one, id say dull it all the way or leave it sharp cause when you unevenly cut your skin itll have a harder time healing and it will hurt more.
The first 6 minutes are like Marco Pierre white trying to explain why the stuff he does makes food taste better. I don’t know about how a knife edge works on a microscopic level but the few things I know are this: When people say “razor sharp” they usually mean “extremely sharp” or “very sharp” but another common way to use “razor sharp” is when a knife is sharp enough to shave with.I get that you were trying to explain that you don’t need a sharp knife for every need BUT a sharp knife can assist even those tasks such as cutting boxes. If the knife is sharp you need less pressure to cut the boxes and therefore you would be less exhausted. Also saying the edge has micro scerations and is like a saw is contradictory because saws don’t function well when they aren’t sharp themselves.
Either way good video keep doing what you are doing 👍
I think I’m the fourth comment
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@@Smex dam I think I was bc I joined the video when it had 3 comments and I commented so yes