I was going to say this exact thing and am completely unsurprised someone beat me to it. Even if this wasn't the first time its been done, utterly brilliant line of play
Andrew crippling Max with that Bog rather than letting him deal with Dom, and also using Wear/Tear on Max's mana rock rather than saving it for something far more dangerous was...not the best play, considering Yarok was already so far ahead in value?
@@MTGMuddstah Was that the final spell to get spell mastery for your tutor? I was thinking that was the rationale for casting it at that point in the game which helped you get to bolas's citadel.
Even putting aside saving the Wear/Tear for later, I think Reclamation would definitely have been the right choice over Charcoal Diamond. One mana is nothing compared to drawing 7 off of Traxos repeatedly for 6 mana and 9 life.
What a nice game, especially the Hostage Taker play was really awesome. I also love that the game featured Greven, who is a really cool commander in my opinion.
People are mentioning Yarok being overpowered, but how much is it that or the repeated tutoring? Getting the right answer at the right time has a bigger impact in the game imo. Don't get me wrong, being able to double etb trigger is super strong, but being able to choose what you double instead of what you draw from the top isn't the same.
I’ve got a high level Yarok deck and it’s for sure the combination of the two. Tutors to get your line of play but he uses the double etbs as a control/tempo play, blowing up commanders/artifacts/enchantments left and right while being able to recur 2 cards that you need is huge.
I was hoping that Greven would've won because I despise Yarok decks because they are way easy to build and just garners value. I've never seen a bad Yarok deck.
@@dave7592 you didn't get, it was a simples joke, because he said one name and the img was another, so i said that the card he played not only changed art but even was more powerful so that he could get 3 types of land
Casting Wear / Tear on Charcoal Diamond instead of Golos or saving it for somerhing better later is one of those moves that make me grind my teeth when I see someone on the table doing it lol
Did you tutor for the Bog with Dark Petition? Because that turn was the only opening to stop Yarok with a boardwipe without him being able to respond and the wipe would also have stoped Greven (yes, he could've recasted him with the phoenix and the incarnations, but that would've taken his entire turn).
Wow. Really makes me want to put Chord of Calling in one of my decks. I always try to avoid spells with 3 same color piffs in a 3+ color deck. But that card really held it’s weight in this game.
that was insane... even without yarok or woodland bellower, chord of calling seems a really good instant speed and potential 0 cost protection for the creatures in the deck, I could use it to save kenrith with broodmoth/marchesa/hostage taker/saffi/general's enforcer in my kenrith deck, since I already have those in the 99.
I love Yarok, I’ve pulled so many infinite mana combos allowing me to wipe everyone out. I love the value of ETB’s. Can’t find another Commander/playstyle that suits me other than Yarok.
Spoilers Just at the end when Palinchron is brought back, that's infinite mana with just yarok (yarok + palinchron + 6 lands is infinite). Deadeye navigator is just the blink win condition
I'm picking up my box this Friday. I will be livestreaming the opening on Monday, November 23rd, and building an EDH boxing league deck from it. Martin, Nick, Max and I will be playing our boxing league decks on November 24th if things go as planned.
as much as i respect the opinions of others' choice of commander, I really can't stand Yarok or the way it plays, and think it's super lame. It's up there on my list of "instant archenemy" commanders where you either cripple them early, and leave them with a bad time, or "play fair" and eventually get stomped by them. To be fair, I'm very jaded towards dumb value stuff from the past couple years of magic though.
Yeah I skipped to the end of the video before even watching because I predicted Yarok would win and, lo and behold, he was so far ahead of everyone it was a joke. I just don't understand how people enjoy playing blatantly overpowered shit.
@@Rafesco indeed, I had a Chulane-deck and it just was not fun to play. Broke it up a few days ago to strengthen my Arixmethes- and Ghave-decks with the cards from it.
@@Rafesco oh, and I'd want to add Kenrith to that list as well. A friend of mine has one with five color good stuff and nobody likes playing against it.
Wear // Tear the Charcoal Diamond of the guy beating Yarok down and not the Golos? Vindicate the Sylvan Library of the guy at 17 life and not the Yarok? Andrew... c'mon man.
I theory crafted a Ghost of Ramirez Depietro//Falthis Shadowcat Familiar deck and went against my friends' decks, including a Yarok. Because I had almost no etbs in my deck I threw a Torpor Orb in for shits and giggles. While I did lose that game, that Torpor Orb lost the Yarok and Emrakuul players the game - so I win the moral victory.
Expletive green decks. At some point one might imagine that dear Wizards might become aware of how disparate the power level is between green (and to a lesser extent blue) and the rest of the color pie. More and more it seems that if a green deck is present at any table it doesn't seem to matter what the other decks do. I find it amusing how irate so many people seem to be in regards to Jeweled Lotus, but fail to understand that green is already doing broken things in regard to mana generation, and has been for several years now. I would like to see more content creators taking wizards to task for this, since Wizards seems unable to figure it out on their own. Rant over.
I guess it depends the level of play you see but green is hardly the best colour in Commander. That honour goes to black, followed by blue. Everything else is a support colour.
@@philllllllll if you said that from the command zone analisis, I'm afraid you're a little bit outdated, every year green and simic combination followed by a golgari had always have poweful cards in each set. Green is easily the best colour for ramp and nowadays green could refill his hand alone without black or blue, ten years ago the best card draw in green was harmonize, now is pretty outdated and most list don't even run it. In the video it was pretty clear that Woodland bellower, chord of calling and Yarok were the most powerful cards in play, yeah it was Palinchron who generated infinite mana, but it was chord of calling (a green card) and Yarok who enable the combo.
@@Rafesco the best colour for ramp is colourless. Artifacts are by far more efficient. I'm not basing my opinion off of any stupid article but off my 22 years of experience playing the game. Green is powerful at lower levels of play but it's not the strongest colour in Commander. Not even close. Black has the best card draw. Black has the best tutors. Black has the best wincon enablers. Black has some of the best control, second only to blue. Green's efficient ramp is the 1cmc dorks you can play. Otherwise it's actually worse than your standard mana rocks you can play like signets. But you look at things like Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, etc. And they're all BETTER than the best ramp green has to offer. As for card draw, green relies too much on specific board states to draw. Necropotence, Wheel of Fortune, Windfall are all stupidly strong.
@@philllllllll yeah my opinion is based on casual powerlevel and yeah from a competitive standpoint the mana vault, moxes, the crypt are undoubtly the most powerful ramp in the game, unfortunatly those cards see play in less than 10 percent of commander tables (unless proxies are allowed). From cedh and near cedh and even not really cedh but budgetless versions of some Commanders, I guess blue is the superior colour followed closely by black because of the OP tutors and enablers, but away from that green is the most versatile colour on any table
@@Rafesco for sure, casual is a different game. But I wouldn't say that green is far and away the best colour at casual tables. The problem is that nobody plays enough answers. I play a Titania deck and I can freely sacrifice ALL of my lands to create an army of chunky tokens because I am confident my opponents won't play a board wipe to get rid of them. That's the problem. People want to play with their toys and they figure for every answer they slot in, that's a toy they slot out.
Hmm... let me guess, without watching. Does Yarok win? Edit: Yarok won. Who knew? Also, I'm pretty sure I said this the last time yarok was on this channel lol
That was hard to watch. Just let Greven kill Yarok. A lot of people don't really know when to use a boardwipe. Let the aggressive deck kill the supergreedy one. If you do their dirty work for them you are just gonna lose eventually
It's the kind of deck where the commander needs to be kept off the table at all times, no exceptions. Without Yarok the deck will still generate plenty of value, but not nearly as explosively.
I'm not against blink or ETB abuse, but there's something with Yarok that I simply don't like. I think that if he only duplicates one ETB per turn It would be a better card design.
Yarok doesn't really do much for the deck. It's just a "win more" card. You just play good powerful cards in Sultai colors and if you have the time and space to cast Yarok you do but... Deck doesn't really rely on him to win. Dom was playing good cards because they're good. Lots of people play cards that are gimmicky or fit a theme but don't necessarily help them win.
@@philllllllll I don't think Yarok is a competitive commander, but leaving him alone for a moment produces a lot of value in the same way Chulane and Korbold does. If you see the video it was clearly that was Yarok the MVP of the game not Chord of Calling nor Palinchron, those cards acted as finishers not enablers. Yarok easily double like a dozen of permanents ETB's in that game. They leave him long enough to cripple all other players with their artifact and enchantment removal, and from there he win with card advantage and pure value.
That chord of calling to find hostage taker was a fantastic play
I never thought about it , using hostage taker as a blinker. My mind is blown
My thought exactly! What an amazing play!
I’m gonna start doing that in my yarok deck 😂
il be honnest i completly forgot abou that big brain play haha
I was going to say this exact thing and am completely unsurprised someone beat me to it. Even if this wasn't the first time its been done, utterly brilliant line of play
That Hostage Taker tutor to protect against a wrath was a sweet play
Andrew crippling Max with that Bog rather than letting him deal with Dom, and also using Wear/Tear on Max's mana rock rather than saving it for something far more dangerous was...not the best play, considering Yarok was already so far ahead in value?
Yea, in hindsight I probably shouldn't have been as worried about Max one-shotting people as I was.
@@MTGMuddstah Was that the final spell to get spell mastery for your tutor? I was thinking that was the rationale for casting it at that point in the game which helped you get to bolas's citadel.
Even putting aside saving the Wear/Tear for later, I think Reclamation would definitely have been the right choice over Charcoal Diamond. One mana is nothing compared to drawing 7 off of Traxos repeatedly for 6 mana and 9 life.
Poor Max. You have a Golos, Yarok and Tymna/VS and the table decides to cripple you and let Yarok run wild.
Greven can be super scary but that yarok board state early on was just as nasty
@@BangThatGong Yea, its an easy trap to fall into. Value decks usually go unpunished early and then get to a point you cant handle them mid/late.
the great early ramp from the yarok player should have signaled them the incoming threat, too bad they didn't respond properly.
Aggro tends to play Archenemy by presenting inmediate threats, sad but true.
Haha man talk about threat evaluation
I've never seen hostage taker played that way before, but it's genius!
I wonder .... at what point we rename the Commander format ro Sultai masters...?
Actually, more recent trend is to rename it Grixis Masters. But sultai is fine too
Tymna is the best commander in the format.
"And Vindicate the library." That's one way to mill someone out :P
Oh hell yeah I've been wanting some yarok gameplay! Sick vid as always papa
What a nice game, especially the Hostage Taker play was really awesome. I also love that the game featured Greven, who is a really cool commander in my opinion.
People are mentioning Yarok being overpowered, but how much is it that or the repeated tutoring? Getting the right answer at the right time has a bigger impact in the game imo. Don't get me wrong, being able to double etb trigger is super strong, but being able to choose what you double instead of what you draw from the top isn't the same.
I’ve got a high level Yarok deck and it’s for sure the combination of the two. Tutors to get your line of play but he uses the double etbs as a control/tempo play, blowing up commanders/artifacts/enchantments left and right while being able to recur 2 cards that you need is huge.
Tutoring is pretty strong
3:05 I believe the image is supposed to be a wooded foothills and not a bloodstained mire, just wanted to point that out
What's this, a Yarok deck in a pod with no countermagic? I have a prediction...
Edit: sorry, I can't say there was no countermagic 😅
I was hoping that Greven would've won because I despise Yarok decks because they are way easy to build and just garners value. I've never seen a bad Yarok deck.
(Dejected) With my pod it's the same way if Golos doesn't go off first it's the sultai deck out grinding you
That yarok deck was 🔥
Damn Yarok is soooo overpowered lol. This game was 1 vs 3
Damn, Wooded Foothills got new art?!
yeah.. it can even fetch black lands now
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@@leonamfernandesdasilva9012 it was mountain and swamp
@@dave7592 you didn't get, it was a simples joke, because he said one name and the img was another, so i said that the card he played not only changed art but even was more powerful so that he could get 3 types of land
Footed woodhills op
Leaving Yarok on the field for that long was very questionable
Totally off subject but Omen of the Hunt has my favorite art in all of MTG. It is so nice!
Casting Wear / Tear on Charcoal Diamond instead of Golos or saving it for somerhing better later is one of those moves that make me grind my teeth when I see someone on the table doing it lol
Did you tutor for the Bog with Dark Petition? Because that turn was the only opening to stop Yarok with a boardwipe without him being able to respond and the wipe would also have stoped Greven (yes, he could've recasted him with the phoenix and the incarnations, but that would've taken his entire turn).
Wow. Really makes me want to put Chord of Calling in one of my decks. I always try to avoid spells with 3 same color piffs in a 3+ color deck. But that card really held it’s weight in this game.
Remember you can tap green creatures to pay for the green part with Convoke.
do it!
Ah yes Tyman the most powerful new partner from Commander Legends. XD
Typo made my day thanks.
3:06 That's a funny looking Wooded Foothills... 🤔
I love your videos my guy keep up the good work.
In the yarok decklist,the lands are wrong,would be cool to know what exactly he went for!!great video btw
Oof, poor Max. Really should have let him take out Dom--Greven is easier to deal with than Yarok's nonsense.
that was insane... even without yarok or woodland bellower, chord of calling seems a really good instant speed and potential 0 cost protection for the creatures in the deck, I could use it to save kenrith with broodmoth/marchesa/hostage taker/saffi/general's enforcer in my kenrith deck, since I already have those in the 99.
That was a really cool ending
I just realized your end card has a picture of "Top 10 Multiplayer Counterspells", a video from 2016.
where is the yarok's list? that in the description is not the same being played.
This game was filmed in late 2019. The list has changed several times since then I'm afraid.
I love Yarok, I’ve pulled so many infinite mana combos allowing me to wipe everyone out. I love the value of ETB’s. Can’t find another Commander/playstyle that suits me other than Yarok.
Did you slow down the the music so that it sounds normal at increased playback speeds?
Spoilers
Just at the end when Palinchron is brought back, that's infinite mana with just yarok (yarok + palinchron + 6 lands is infinite). Deadeye navigator is just the blink win condition
Greven seems like the kind of guy who throws a party and it's anyone's guess who will still be alive the next morning.
That golos deck makes me sad. Is he not running coffers+urborg?
Thanks for this mister goblin
The force is strong here. ;)
new & exciting wincons like palinchron - noice
Do you guys plan on doing a Commander Legends draft video?
I'm picking up my box this Friday. I will be livestreaming the opening on Monday, November 23rd, and building an EDH boxing league deck from it. Martin, Nick, Max and I will be playing our boxing league decks on November 24th if things go as planned.
@@MTGMuddstah me (Joel) and Dom are also picking up our boxes on Friday.
Who did the art for Dom's playmat? It's gorgeous.
idk i got it off amazon iirc
Can someone show me where i can get Dom's playmat? Beautiful!
I got it off amazon
as much as i respect the opinions of others' choice of commander, I really can't stand Yarok or the way it plays, and think it's super lame. It's up there on my list of "instant archenemy" commanders where you either cripple them early, and leave them with a bad time, or "play fair" and eventually get stomped by them. To be fair, I'm very jaded towards dumb value stuff from the past couple years of magic though.
Yeah value Commanders are boring, Yarok, Korbold, Golos and Chulane are so easy to build around
Yeah I skipped to the end of the video before even watching because I predicted Yarok would win and, lo and behold, he was so far ahead of everyone it was a joke. I just don't understand how people enjoy playing blatantly overpowered shit.
@@Rafesco indeed, I had a Chulane-deck and it just was not fun to play. Broke it up a few days ago to strengthen my Arixmethes- and Ghave-decks with the cards from it.
@@Rafesco oh, and I'd want to add Kenrith to that list as well. A friend of mine has one with five color good stuff and nobody likes playing against it.
Is the Yarok deck running Ghostly Flicker? If he runs that, Eternal Witness and Peregrine Drake that's infinite mana. Then cast Exsanguinate
I like greven. Yay greven.
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Imagine doing the dirty work of the value player and then losing to him. As a Greven player thats a tale as old as time
Imo you gave yarok the game when you bogged grevens graveyard and when you vindicated sylvan library over yarok
Wear // Tear the Charcoal Diamond of the guy beating Yarok down and not the Golos? Vindicate the Sylvan Library of the guy at 17 life and not the Yarok? Andrew... c'mon man.
Repeat after me. Its not Rotting Regisaur, its Colossal Deadmaw.
Amazing game
that was a lot of interaction from one player.
greven is fun, one of my commanders.
Weird that you pronounce Archaeomancer as "Arcane-omancer"
Am admit thats i so early only at the end of the video. Heart hurts for Max graveyard u_u
can't watch tapping to the left
One day I'm sure Greven will take a game and it will be awesome
Yarok is nuts.
I theory crafted a Ghost of Ramirez Depietro//Falthis Shadowcat Familiar deck and went against my friends' decks, including a Yarok. Because I had almost no etbs in my deck I threw a Torpor Orb in for shits and giggles. While I did lose that game, that Torpor Orb lost the Yarok and Emrakuul players the game - so I win the moral victory.
I want Yuriko's games. Please. Yurikoooooooooo! S2
My buddy built a Yarok deck and he wins every game on turn 5
Yarok isn't about speed. As you can see from this game, Yarok gets stronger the longer the game goes on. Also, run some counter spells!
The Yarok deck is not the same power level as the other decks. Zzzzzzzzzz
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Expletive green decks. At some point one might imagine that dear Wizards might become aware of how disparate the power level is between green (and to a lesser extent blue) and the rest of the color pie. More and more it seems that if a green deck is present at any table it doesn't seem to matter what the other decks do. I find it amusing how irate so many people seem to be in regards to Jeweled Lotus, but fail to understand that green is already doing broken things in regard to mana generation, and has been for several years now. I would like to see more content creators taking wizards to task for this, since Wizards seems unable to figure it out on their own. Rant over.
I guess it depends the level of play you see but green is hardly the best colour in Commander. That honour goes to black, followed by blue. Everything else is a support colour.
@@philllllllll if you said that from the command zone analisis, I'm afraid you're a little bit outdated, every year green and simic combination followed by a golgari had always have poweful cards in each set. Green is easily the best colour for ramp and nowadays green could refill his hand alone without black or blue, ten years ago the best card draw in green was harmonize, now is pretty outdated and most list don't even run it. In the video it was pretty clear that Woodland bellower, chord of calling and Yarok were the most powerful cards in play, yeah it was Palinchron who generated infinite mana, but it was chord of calling (a green card) and Yarok who enable the combo.
@@Rafesco the best colour for ramp is colourless. Artifacts are by far more efficient. I'm not basing my opinion off of any stupid article but off my 22 years of experience playing the game. Green is powerful at lower levels of play but it's not the strongest colour in Commander. Not even close. Black has the best card draw. Black has the best tutors. Black has the best wincon enablers. Black has some of the best control, second only to blue. Green's efficient ramp is the 1cmc dorks you can play. Otherwise it's actually worse than your standard mana rocks you can play like signets. But you look at things like Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, etc. And they're all BETTER than the best ramp green has to offer.
As for card draw, green relies too much on specific board states to draw. Necropotence, Wheel of Fortune, Windfall are all stupidly strong.
@@philllllllll yeah my opinion is based on casual powerlevel and yeah from a competitive standpoint the mana vault, moxes, the crypt are undoubtly the most powerful ramp in the game, unfortunatly those cards see play in less than 10 percent of commander tables (unless proxies are allowed). From cedh and near cedh and even not really cedh but budgetless versions of some Commanders, I guess blue is the superior colour followed closely by black because of the OP tutors and enablers, but away from that green is the most versatile colour on any table
@@Rafesco for sure, casual is a different game. But I wouldn't say that green is far and away the best colour at casual tables. The problem is that nobody plays enough answers. I play a Titania deck and I can freely sacrifice ALL of my lands to create an army of chunky tokens because I am confident my opponents won't play a board wipe to get rid of them. That's the problem. People want to play with their toys and they figure for every answer they slot in, that's a toy they slot out.
Oh look, another compelling Yarok deck -_-
Hmm... let me guess, without watching. Does Yarok win?
Edit: Yarok won. Who knew? Also, I'm pretty sure I said this the last time yarok was on this channel lol
That was hard to watch. Just let Greven kill Yarok. A lot of people don't really know when to use a boardwipe. Let the aggressive deck kill the supergreedy one. If you do their dirty work for them you are just gonna lose eventually
I really hate Yarok, almost feel an unfair deck, despite not be really competitive
It's the kind of deck where the commander needs to be kept off the table at all times, no exceptions. Without Yarok the deck will still generate plenty of value, but not nearly as explosively.
I'm not against blink or ETB abuse, but there's something with Yarok that I simply don't like. I think that if he only duplicates one ETB per turn It would be a better card design.
Yarok doesn't really do much for the deck. It's just a "win more" card. You just play good powerful cards in Sultai colors and if you have the time and space to cast Yarok you do but... Deck doesn't really rely on him to win.
Dom was playing good cards because they're good. Lots of people play cards that are gimmicky or fit a theme but don't necessarily help them win.
@@philllllllll I don't think Yarok is a competitive commander, but leaving him alone for a moment produces a lot of value in the same way Chulane and Korbold does. If you see the video it was clearly that was Yarok the MVP of the game not Chord of Calling nor Palinchron, those cards acted as finishers not enablers. Yarok easily double like a dozen of permanents ETB's in that game. They leave him long enough to cripple all other players with their artifact and enchantment removal, and from there he win with card advantage and pure value.
They should unban Golos>
I hate infinite combos.
Yarok is so boring.