Starfield: 100 hours later! | Dropped Frames Episode 364
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The crew is back together after braving the elements in the desert and space to have an in-depth conversation about the pros and cons of Starfield after a substantial amount of timing playing it! Also is the Switch 2 right around the corner? More Skull & Bones woes, E3 not happening again maybe, and a whole lot more!
0:00 - 0:50 - Stuck in the desert
14:40 - The Switch 2?
17:00 - Destiny 2 lawsuits
19:20 - Starfield is Bethesda most sold game
20:30 - Get a better PC
26:00 - Skull & Bones loses another creative director
28:00 - E3 parts ways with Reedpop
30:00 - Megan Fox joins Mortal Kombat 1
34:10 - Last Epoch update
36:10 - Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines 2 returns?
41:50 - Cohh has played Starfield apparently
2:05:25 - Shoutouts
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I think ya'll are wrong about BG3 when it comes to the possibility of GOTY. Like yes it is a CRPG and yes CRPG's are niche. But part of being the GOTY and part of being just a 9/10 or 10/10 game in general is being so good that it appeals even to people outside the niche target audience and get people to play and enjoy it that otherwise would never play that type of game. The game really showcased excellence and did things people thought weren't possible in gaming as a medium, that's exactly the kind of thing a GOTY contender does. The game blew up even outside the CRPG gamer niche and was like everywhere with everyone talking about it and how good it was. Also keep in mind other GOTY winners at TGA are also niche games. Elden Ring is a souls game and souls games were ALWAYS niche, and it still won.
This is just the first time we've had a CRPG that is so good it has a really good chance of taking GOTY at TGA.
yes all of this. ALso that it had other devs in sort of a panick over how good it was and worried that others would expect that level of quality and content from them speaks volumes about how great the game is
I bet JP regrets asking about starfield hahaha, spongebob meme 2 hours later
after watching it, its one of the most accurate reviews on the game
I couldn't imagine having rushed through my first playthrough, because it would make the ending and NG+ so... weightless. Greg Miller's spoiler talk about his experience is the best case I've seen for why you should absolutely take your time the first time. In subsequent NG+ runs sure go ahead and skip the main story, but even then when I finally settle on a NG+ run to be "my neverending sandbox run where I seriously dig into ships and outposts" I'm absolutely going to opt into doing the full MSQ experience again.
I think the MSQ works (once it gets more interesting lore-wise) as more of a scaffolding surrounding the game's reality itself. I don't think it works as a conventional videogame 'story', because there isn't really much story there, or concrete answers at the end aside from what certain things are and mean - and even then it's a lot of metaphysical arglebargle talk. But as a coda on your character's life itself, I think it 100% works well - especially if you've really bought into the roleplay aspect. When you start over in NG+, things feel very tangibly... different, for lack of a spoiler explanation.
Modders will fix it is not just something people say it is on record bethesdas actual position on the matter. Do not expect them to fix anything, if you are lucky they might fix some of it but they have actively gone on record to say they know and expect modders to just fix or add things for them. That is an actual thing they keep in mind during development.
I'm grateful to all the Starfield coverage for getting me to jump back into NMS after so many years, and really appreciate what a marvel that game has become.
I may disagree with a lot of the shit Starfield is getting (definitely not all though), but I do like that it got attention back on NMS. While Starfield definitely had it's flaws, I think a lot of people were expecting Bethesda to make the game that already exists in NMS, and I guess people either forgot or were unaware of how awesome NMS is now.
The games are not the same. Nms is littoral 10 bit compared to starfield
No mans sky devs were court ordered to add what was originally sold. No one wants to talk about that though.
@enki2gold no they weren't? People tried to sue them for false advertising back in 2016, but the investigation found no legal breaches whatsoever.
I don't exactly understand Cohhs outlook that the guy was smug asking Todd about PC optimization. This has been a criticism of Bethesda for 15+ years, and they still lack basic features like FOV settings or texture quality. Then people are finding out the game doesn't handle CPUs or GPUs very well and are sharing fixes already that vastly improve the framerate.
Makes me miss Totalbiscuit, it's a bit annoying that any criticism is met with, "well this is just how they are." At least when people bring up From Software they do improve upon each release for the ten years they've released on the platform.
My biggest thing is there are bugs in this game that were bugs in bethesda games over a decade ago that still aren't fixed. That's simply not acceptable imo. I don't want to reward bethesda with my money for doing such a poor job at the basics.
Great that you post these podcasts on youtube JP!
1:11:17 cohh failing the speech checks and save scumming in the background was funny
Thank you for another episode from the podcast!
Trying to be neutral on this but considering the lack of innovation, state of the game, and apparent reliance of modders to make their game playable - I really struggle to understand why people keep giving Bethesda money.
Having said that, I don't need to understand and I'm always glad when people have fun. :)
I think a key thing to keep in mind is that most games are not remotely as easily moddable a Bethesda games, and modding is a really fun hobby. I've never published any mods, but I've made a few for Fallout 4 myself and I'm thinking of getting into the Starfield mod scene later too, when I can afford the pc upgrade to run this resource monster of a game.
I think that a lot of people talking about mods in this game miss the fact that a lot of people enjoy modding, not as some stand in for making a game from scratch, but as a fun hobby to work on to unwind, and Bethesda is one of the best at supporting that community (despite some rocky drama at times).
@@normalmighty Allowing people to mod is great for sure, and I'd be less cynical if they had designed a brand new UI for example. However, it seems like they cut corners in certain areas (graphics, UI) under the expectation that a community member will fix it for them via mods.
Also, don't Bethesda take the lion's share of any modding revenue that is created - essentially making modders very underpaid developers for them?
I could have this backwards but I have a perpetually bad taste in my mouth when it comes to this stuff.
@theamulas I do agree that they cut corners assuming mods will handle it which is a clear negative, but it's not enough to put me off them. I have a bigger list of clear negatives buying from pretty much any other dev studio this size. I went through a phase of trying to boycott every studio that did something shitty on that level in my uni days, only to realize I had literally ruled out every studio I liked except for indie devs. Now I still don't buy from a few especially bad studios - mostly for how those studios treat their employees - but staying away from a studio because they cut corners is an unrealistically high bar if you want to play any decent number of higher budget games.
The pay thing, that's what I was referencing by past dramas. They started a paid mods system and then rapidly canceled it again due to massive backlash from the modding community. Everyone thought it was decent when they said it was an around 25% pay split, until they realised it was 25% to the modders, not the other way around. Plus a bunch of other related drama.
Was a great idea in theory that they absolutely butchered, but I'm not holding a grudge about something they tried and took back for a week or 2 around 7 or 8 years back.
@@normalmighty I agree with you on the boycotting. Depriving yourself of something you think is fun to 'punish' a big studio for working practises isn't worth it imo.
However, Starfield is a pathetic step forward. It's gameplay is essentially the same as Oblivion that launched in 2006 and the writing isn't stellar either. So we have 20 year old game mechanics, and mediocre writing, in a game where corners were obviously cut despite having access to Microsoft's QA team. No Man's Sky has a more seamless space experience and that was developed by like 10 people, 5 years ago.
I don't want to get on my soapbox too much (probably too late and I apologise) but considering the product they put out, and the size/experience of Bethesda and how long this game has been talked about, this might be one of the most underwhelming and disappointing launches I can remember.
I would also agree that Dev practices are bad across the board, but this is the company that brought out Fallout 76. This basically puts Bethesda in a category with Blizzard for worst company - and Overwatch 2 and Diablo 4 are also mediocre games (imo), but at least they're polished.
Look. I have a snake wife who gave me her favorite knife, and I’m not doing anything to jeopardize our marriage. That includes finishing the game. Because if there’s no way to roll credits without leaving her behind, then Clive Starfield has unearthed his last artifact!
It is crazy how modders are already make starfield better after a week since release, it makes I wonder did Bethesda ever test their games or not.
Why would they bother when people will fix it for free lol
@@xLuky true
My funniest starfield bug was when i went to talk to Barret in my ship, but he dashed somewhere at supersonic speed sending all items in the ship flying around, couldn't find him anywhere in the ship after that... Latter i looked through a side window and there he was sitting mid air way outside the ship :D
Thank Jehovah, Zeke isn't dead. He survived doubola.
AI targeting center mass was abused in gummi ships with one of the kingdom hearts games
I still love my hollow square, and it was my first thought when I heard the same thing was in this game. :P
I got to go to burning man in 2016 and my favorite art car was literally a porta potty on wheels and it would line up with the other potties and scurry away when someone tried to open the door… 10/10 dusty experience. Love it.
Dude if we have to wait till 2026 for the next Elder Scrolls and it looks like Skyrim with a 4k texture pack on it, it's going to be the biggest letdown.
"This is what happens every new game plus. Also you get space magic, and you go to Temples to collect them. You can choose to skip the story in NG+ and finish each run in like 1-2 hours. There are 25-28 powers, each power you can get to lvl 10. It gets crazy because at some point not every power spawns in each run. Your skills and powers transfer every NG+. BUT there are some things that transfer and increase in power that I don't want to get in to because I don't want to get into SPOILER TERRITORY." -cohh 2023
I mean custom game engines are dying out. Since there is a lot of movement in the game development scene having very niche skills in a custom engine doesn't really help you developing in Unreal (thats like 90% of games). The creation engine bugs and idiocracies have been documented for 20+ years by modders same bugs/limitations. Starfield was a wake up call for lots of people (same basic game with different paint for 20 years). Having to rely on modders to fix the game is disrespectful to you the paying costumer.
Listening to the starfield bug talk i can count myself happy that none of that happened in my 40 hours of gameplay. I lucked out on cyberpunk as well back then. Only on npc that wanted to fly with me caused 3-4 crashes during the landing on a planet. No crashes other than that.
Yea, everyone will have their own luck. For some reason the game consistently crashed when I would go to a systems planet (Altair, Altera?) but then everything worked when I flew to another planet in that system and then went to the planet with a mission marker.
Other obvious 'bug' is NPC related, crewmates not being able to move in the cropped space or an enemy jetpacking to a spot and not knowing how to get out of it, or the occasional levitation.
Seriously, I want to eventually play this game but just such a thing like modders making a way better UI in the matter of DAYS?? HOW THE F DID THE GAME NOT LAUNCH WITH A BETTER UI?! It makes me straight up mad at the devs, and it makes me not wanna support them.
What’s the difference between 150 hours of BG3 and someone spending 1000 hours in call of duty.
Just because it’s call of duty doesn’t make it less crazy than a crpg
haha, the section "Cohh has played Starfield apparently"!
Every time Cohh stops a conversation for a long pause and says "Here's the thing..." prepare yourselves to have everything he just said for 40 minutes regurgitated.
Someone else commented about him taking up so much time on the show. I honestly don't mind, but he's not concise and circles the drain.
My biggest gripe is when the other hosts (Namely JP) want to talk, steer the conversation, or wrap it up and move on... he gets interrupted.
+1 for Strippin, Dan & JP. Most polite and concise episodes in a long long time.
30:00 : I may be mistaken, but the Original Mortal Kombat was supposed to be a movie tie in for a Jean Claude Van Damme movie, but that fell through so they made Johnny Cage as the stand in for what was supposed to be him. Now so many years later he's where hes suppose to be,.
correct
I think what cohh is missing when he talks about being glad he can skip the space stuff is that the space stuff isn't very good and thats why he is glad he can skip it. And whats especially upsetting is that the space stuff is what was replaced wandering our into the world and walking to places. They've removed one of the best parts of a Bethesda RPGs and replaced it with a system that is quite frankly not very good
People saying "the space stuff is boring anyway" .... it's not the great argument they think it is lol
@@gatsby5555Especially when you could easily just keep the fast travel system for people who don't want to do space stuff
1:53:00 "BG3 is still a niche product" With 800K+ concurrent players 2 weekends in a row. How is Starfield doing in comparison?
I know that number is steam only, and there's other platforms I'm not seeing, but still.
6 million....
The people who bought it on Steam were the minority of people who absolutely refuse to deal with Microsoft's storefront and it's well-earned bad reputation, as well as the people who are planning to engage with the modding communities, which effectively requires the Steam version of the game. Otherwise it just made a lot more sense to play the game through gamepass, and that's what the majority of people did.
Not to bad at all
yeah the game blew up big and while yes the genre is still very niche i do feel like Bg3 is pretty well known and has a good chance of winning GOTY. it defenitly has no competition for RPG of the year.
@@abraaomitichon7868billion-trillion gazillion players, so many you wouldn't imagine, also can't see or measure, but that's fine, trust us bro
I'm confused about the nicheness of BG3 and Starfield and other games as part of the GOTY discussion. BG3 may be niche if you are taking in all possible people that play video games in a year, but that is not the same people that make they decision of what is GOTY. It's developers, reviewers, and all video game industry people that determine that. And as niche as crpgs are, BG3 is one that not only is hundreds of thousands are still playing on just steam, and how niche are bethesda games compared to the broader video game landscape. Are we considering that nicheness is the ratio of it's player base to the general video game populace, or is it because bethesda players play the games for longer because of the openness and modding community? Also, weather a game is niche or not, be it Starfield or BG3, wouldn't a good contender for GOTY would be one that convinces people to try a game they may not have thought to play in a genre they don't typically play?
All the big awards show that people reference when they say "GOTY" are nominated by the organisers but then left to popular vote. Starfield is much more popular overall that BG3, so I totally get why it could potentially win.
@@normalmighty but, the audience that would take part in voting is more likely to look like the audience for this show, the “hardcore gamer” for lack of a better term. Which comes back to my question how are we defining what BG3 is niche too. I bet if you did a Vann Diagram of the players of both games and the like audiences voters for GOTY, there is more overlap than you expect for a game considered niche. So, while the genre may be niche to the overall gaming environment, the game itself can’t be too niche to be considered for GOTY.
It takes two,
yep, that's right, that was GoTY btw
Cohh” here’s the thing “ carnage
The thing thats crazy is that if there were any game where carry weight shouldn't matter its the game where you're driving a ship around.
Ship weight would matter a lot for entering, leaving and traversing a planet's atmosphere. Especially the high gravity planets. Bethesda was definitely too stingy regardless. Carry and cargo weight mods are going to be really popular for this game.
@@strangestecho5088 we have warp drives
@synthiandrakon Earth was destroyed due to experimenting with said drives in atmosphere.
The issue with modders fixing things is that they don't have much of a QA (just players testing them on-the-go). Not that Bethesda has that either, but still.
One thing i cant help but agree on is damn there are too many unecessary loading screens. Im not gonna get mad at ship travel loading screens or whatever. But like in 2023 i don't think loading screens for small interiors are acceptable. Big zones sure? But if im walking into a shop which is just a room with a guy in it and stuff on shelves we don't need a loading screen for that. And same for the ship, you cant fly the ship its a literal static building i feel like i should be able to walk into it, that really hurts immersion
When JP was saying how BG3 coming out first has affected the comparisons to Starfield, the way I would put it is: People have already made up their minds about BG3. If they had come out at the same time, people would have been comparing them on an equal footing, but in this world, BG3 is already the benchmark. And that's good. AAA Studios need their feet held to the fire.
I wonder if Bethesda/MS/Game Pass/etx had ads about Starfield, and if those ads told people (who might unaware), that they shouldnt play a Bethesda game for the main quest, or the bugless experience, etc. etc...
"Get a better PC" is this year's "Y'all have phones, right?"
My internet died when the show was 30 minutes in time to continue it EZ
I like how the whole story of mk1 got leaked and no one talking about it
BG3 currently my GOFTY easy and unless I really like something else.
I will I am yet to finish BG3 still as I work...
I have not played Zelda but have not played any Zelda games Nintendo is is more Mario then Zelda for me...
I will play Starfield after I finish BG3.
Cohh would be excited for bloodlines if it were made by a dev he knows...how controversial
I know I am an anathema, but I frigging hate mods in the context of making BGS games complete and serviceable products. Every game on PC that can be modded, is. But usually these are cosmetic or memes. Only here do we discuss mods in the context of delivering what we paid for. It makes me nuts. Why are we ok with this? I paid $100 for a game that the community rationalizes the underbaked nature of via mod support meanwhile Larian Studios is giving me whiplash with how fast they are releasing hotfixes and full patches. With Microsoft, who just fought the biggest legal battle in the history of the industry funded off their purse size alone and paid Billions for BGS before that, being behind the resource stream for this game, it’s inexcusable.
The more I see starfield, the more I'm convinced to wait until it's $20 and has a ton of mods.
Having a ton of fun with Armored Core 6 single and multiplayer, also I am still in Act 2 of Balder's gate.
Yea a lot of stuff needs to be fixed by mods. From just the visuals (default light filter is god awful for example, makes everything hazy and dull looking), to entire systems that are half-baked. Environmental Resist suit integrity for example has like 0 Hud information, you just guess how much Resist you need on a planet lol and the Outpost system basically requires Daisy Chaining everything together meanwhile the Outpost container "upgrades" just give you containters that take up 2x more space, cost 2x resources to make and fit 2x as much items in them... in other words you could've just built multiple of the level 1 container. Mass in general is terribly balanced and Outposts being just infinite Xp/Money farms is pretty lame. Every system is just really shallow that falls apart at the seams as soon as you delve deeper into it. Funniest thing I ran into was a planet without oxygen, where you needed a suit to walk outside have a unique location where some guy not only built a pool on his roof, but threw a pool party on his roof where people left slippers and beer lying around....
@@nokturnallex2160 and no maps in some places. Oh you haven't been on this place for a while? Have fun finding everything again.
I saw the UI and inventory in general and it's the reason I never got into Skyrim, so probably will never get into this either.
@@biggusdickus4952 Yea you basically have to memorize the major cities in order to know where everything is, because the map isn't going to tell you shit lol.
Literally unplayable without mode rn. So wait and get it on sale
I pmayed fallout 3 during my first deployment and played Skyrim during my second deployment.
It took 30 days to download.
Hot take, only high end PCs had problems. 140hrs on low tier PC waiting 3 seconds every scanner swap or weapon scope... and that's it. I've seen 1 invisible person. No other bugs period. 😂 With a 1060 I get 17-30fps outside.
6mil players isn't sales bro, imagine how many copies were actually sold out of 6m? haha, i'd say 25% of that is sales. maybe not even that.
when bloodlines 2 is for sale I will believe it got released, until then its all a wild guess that i see never happening. Even when it gets released I will wait for reviews before buying it.
if it was possible to get 120+ FPS on 1440p with DLSS or FSR I would be fine, but that is mostly not supported or optimised. Maybe with the enhanced edition we might get that finally
I doubt Starfield will ever have these features officially, which is the main issue. People are out here injecting DLSS 3 or finding phrases for the Custom ini file which let's you set the core and thread count to better optimize already.
Playing Starfield after finishing BG3 and Armored Core was like playing game made by chatgpt. Bless anyone who actually likes this stuff.
Well, I'm convinced. It's time to do another playthrough of No Man's Sky!
Taking off is a cutscene because bethesdas engine cant handle it, its the same reason there are no vehicles and the same reason planets are cut up into individual tiles
They put a green fog filter over starfield and the black colors are gray at best.
Yeah no one talks about this one , docking is like watching an old black and white television showing a star trek episode
Great i always wanted Vampire Masquerade walking simulator.
How about they say, "your experience may vary", because I'm just not experiencing all these horrible bugs🤷🏾♂️. The most I've had is a few random crashes to the desktop and maybe a few instances of jank.. but it's super rare.
I tried playing starfield, got to the first city where you meet that girl and others. but man, I just got bored as fuck and with the new Coral Island update taking up most of my time. I just don't see myself going back. and with Eternights coming out tomorrow I won't be going back for a VERY long time.
My Ryzen 5 doesn't even cut it to the minimum reqs. I'm not interested in playing it but it still felt like a slap to the face when I saw it. It's definitely time to upgrade though.
The game is designed to run at 30fps on Series X. Obviously you are going to need a CPU with a similar performance level to get a playable framerate. Many people with low and mid spec machines are expecting 60fps when they simply don't have twice the performance of the Series X hardware. You need a Ryzen 7000 or an Intel 13th gen for that. Likewise you have players with high end systems that are used to high-refresh rate gaming that also don't understand that the bar is being raised in these 'next gen' game titles. We're not in the blip in history that was the PS4 era anymore, where those consoles were launched with a mix of low-mid range components, and therefore PC hardware quickly leapfrogged game requirements.
@@strangestecho5088 Your comment lacks historical empiricism. This engine is creating riffs in performance between hardware that would perform equally in any other scenario. Look into AMD vs Nvidia in this game (e.g. 6800xt vs 3080). It's the same situation for cpus, where a $100 Intel i3 13100f is outpacing a Ryzen 9 5950x. A 12900k performs BETTER with hyperthreading off. You talk of how the bar is being raised in this "next-gen" game, but the evidence speaks to an ironic and antiquated lack of parallelization. I understand the engine perhaps has its benefits but to say this unprecedented level of disparate performance should be expected in 2023 is not substantiated.
@@BobFolowski Individual games doing disproportionally better on one architecture over another is a common phenomenon within the industry, and AMD worked much more closely with Bethesda on this game. Nvidia may yet release a driver update that closes that gap.
Ryzen 5000 CPUs don't have enough raw single-core performance to hold 60fps in the most demanding games on the market. That's not a Bethesda/Creation Engine specific problem. It's also true for Witcher 3, Cyberpunk, Baulders Gate 3, Unreal Engine 5 games, etc, etc. Whining that developers 'just need to parallelize their games' is an idiotic over-simplification of an industry-wide problem. Many CPU tasks cannot be parallelized without causing bugs or outright breaking a game.
I know Cohh has got to have a ton of experience in previous Bethesda titles, so he has to understand that when people say "Oh modders will fix that", it's only because Bethesda has a track record of not patching anything. I honestly believe that the product we have now will receive zero patches or updates until the first DLC arrives.
The only patches I see them putting out would be for critical, game-breaking bugs. Past that, modders will take over as expected.
People are upset if you like Starfield because your support indicates that these objectively (repeated) bad flaws are okay for Bethesda to not fix in future (or current) games because you're still going to buy them anyway.
That’s not always the case, it was similar with BG3 some users are just really toxic when it comes to new games that get a lot of attention. But some of them are like you say.
all the powers spawn each run, but you do have to keep bugging vlad at different points in the main quest....
i think sometimes people can forget how buggy skyrim was, how allot of the dialogue in tht was garbage, but we found a way to love it more because of its faults, lets be honest who doesn't want a mountain climbing horse
I'm still using a 2060 RTX Super and I'm not having any issues. Graphics turned to high and using DLSS.
Defending todd over this seriously?
One thing I've learn from this experience is that people have apparently never heard of a new game plus before because there were all these people making wild insane statements about what was a fairly standard new game plus mode. Sure there is some lore stuff but comeon it's a Bethesda game the main story isn't anything crazy
They did NG+ in a very different way than is typical and it got people interested in it.
@@Keldrath no they didn't. They had a lore justification for it but functionally it's really not too different from any other new game plus. The way people were talking about it you'd think it unlocks a whole bunch of new content of some special new mode that only unlocks in post game but there just isn't. It's pretty much exactly what it sounds like "starfield has new game plus" that's all there is too it. With little bits of lore that are just not important and the ability to grind your powers which you don't ever actually need to do
@@synthiandrakon You get new things and can upgrade things further and get new and different interactions instead of just it being exactly the same as the first time minus u keeping your level and skill progress and enemies scaling.
Don't you love the fact, you offer money to NPC's and they get offended, but threaten them and all of sudden they okay taking money lol
I wonder on elder scrolls 6 if they will add weapon upgrades, like changing hilt, or material the blade is made from or will they have the same skyrim one
Jean-Claude Van Damme even relevant reference anyone will get under 40?
I look forward to starfield on fridges and amazon echos in coming years
That is bethesda way of doing "patching" . Modders will create "unofficial patches" and they release some patches (if any) AFTER those, nothing major.
Meat and Potatoes of Starfield is in the side quest, I've barely touched the MSQ.
Actually on some of the systems in Starfield you can not fast travel straight to a planet surface because of the cargo scan
Sometimes yes, other times no. It pretty much depends on if you are carrying illicit cargo that would be picked up in a scan. Like I can fast travel directly to the lodge from wherever even though you'd normally have to wait for a scan in orbit unless I'm carrying stolen goods. Same with Neon and whatever. I just avoid that by going straight to the den to offload any whenever i have some to avoid that.
VTMB2 unfortunately really doesn't look anything like the original in how the dialogue is presented
the way Cohh describes the criticism of Starfield is similar to TLOU2 criticism, if people said they enjoyed the game, they would think you are a weirdo, which is funny cause he is in that camp, everytime on dropped frames when they talk about TLOU2 he makes a weird face, so i guess he gets TLOU2 fans now lol
I mean he never comments on it though outside of first few weeks of release when it was relevant. That’s the difference.
@@jake4179 Sure but the faces he makes still means something and i dont say this to attack him, i just found it ironic
The last of us two is one of the best narratives in video game history. The plot is good book levels. The most realistic npc behavior of any game in its genre. Saying something is bad because your favorite thing was taken out of. It is not the same as it being terrible because of poor Work ethic.
So what you're saying, if people don't like the game it is on them, because they went playing with the wrong mindset? And the right mindset is to see positives and be happy thus the game will be fun? So it isn't on the game to provide fun and players have fun, it is on players to find fun in the game themselves, and if the don't think the game is good they're just concentrating on the negatives?
I think it is pretty telling that my brother, who is the biggest bethesda fan I know, is still playing what I think is now his third playthrough of BG3 and are not that excited for starfield.
Still think BG3 wins. Evetho your comment.
Nothing against cohh , but i never saw somebody shill that hard for a broken game .
Maybe he has stocks in bethesda , i dont know . But its sad to see .
Imagine someone having a different opinion about something than you. Impossible, I know.
It's not anyone else's fault that you can't comprehend that people like different things. Why do you even care so much?
He didn't really shill at all he was completely honest about acknowledging the games faults which is exactly the opposite of what the shills do.
I wonder how people would respond if this game was released by ie: CDPR , certain they woldn't be " Oh that's CDPR"
And the "oh the modders will fix", sorry mods and thanks for your work, but no, it's not your job to fix their game.
And can't a company try to fix their engine, instead of switching it? (legit question, I don't understand these things) sound like fixing the engine, would by proxy fix a lot of the years and years of the same type of bug, no?
The issues that happen on top of line pc performance like lower frames outside a building is still there on xbox series x. That is most likley not a system spec issue and more of a game engine issue
Is there any better example of daming with faint praise than the constant repetition of 'the least buggy Bethesda game' the bar is on the floor XD
Starfield is an old school game, a lot of the things that are annoying are present in a lot of older games.
One could also say that many of these games are Bethesda games and because they never fixed the problems for those games, they still exist in the same engine. :P
and should not be present after all these years
With peace and love, Cohh you have to let your co-hosts speak more....
Zeke didn't play it yet and JP had played a lot less so they both wanted to hear more of what he had to say that's why he got so much time on the subject.
well he already speak about burning man, and like the others said, Zeke didn't play it yet so its ok
1:37:16 removing and obscuring dialog options has nothing to do with the creation Engine, and a blind monkey could have told you it was a bad idea.
Picking an option that says "no" and having your character berate the person your talking to out of nowhere really breaks immersion.
2:06:09 Agreed completely.
Jp, you said that it was over 200k players on steam, which means that meant that over 200k people would have bought the 100$ edition. but that doesn't seem right? because isn't starfield on both xbox game pass AND PC game pass? so all they had to do to play it early was buy the deluxe edition which was only 30$.
Steam is entirely independent of game-pass (i.e. anyone who played on steam would have had to purchase the game without any game-pass discounts)
Idk. Y’all laugh. But if you don’t have a top of the line pc, the game is unplayable on PC without mods. Only reason Starfield is having success is because of the diehard modding community. Honestly I’m thankful, I would have avoided the title without the community, essentially it’s just F4 in space lol
I don't have a top of the line PC and I'm playing it just fine.
Step 1: do you have an SSD? Because most people who are actually having "unplayable" problems and not just "doesn't run 120 fps ultra" problems are people who didn't read the line that an SSD was absolutely required and tried installing it on an HDD.
Starfield runs great on my rx6700, and surprises me every time it does so with the amount of detail and physics they put in.
Its a sandbox rpg with first person combat and it doesn't make any sense to compare it to BG3. Both are winners for me and 2 of the best games I've played in a very long time.
Bethesda fans became Pokémon fans, they avoid any valid criticism about the game being stuck in the past without inovation as hating for the game, so anytime you bring it up you're shoved in that camp as someone just doing that, even though they do it with other communities.
I agree with a lot of the things Cohh and JP are saying here but I also have to add that I paused my playthrough of BG3 because of Starfield and I dont regret that for single second... and while I am of the opinion that BG3 is overall a better Game, I am still having a better time with Starfield than I could ever have with most other Games that exist... even with all the flaws...
Outer Worlds. Still the better Fallout in space than Starfield.
Hahaha oh god no.
The writing is much worse
Not pc to make fun of Trans-Trucks lol
For others maxing medicine
Bind medpack to a key, I used 0
When you are injured instead of using 0 and waiting to heal
You can press 0, 40 times real fast
All 40 count and all 39 are wasted
Btw its a new engine. You think Todd's taking a chance with a new engine on elder scrolls 6? KEKW
It's the same engine they had since Morrowind it just got updated slightly and you can't even really tell what the update did for it besides make it cost more resources to deliver the same experience as last time.
@@Keldrath Nope, whole new engine. They said it multiple times during development. Pretty sad to lie in youtube comments tbh.
@@ItsapaulPlays They lied like always, It is the SAME at its core. Just more piled on top
The problem witht the question is that it's confrontational. Which means the answer is gonna be confrontational. Would of been better to ask something like "How do you and your team feell about the optimization for starfield on lower end systems."
On Starfield: The world is too empty making you load and walk around too much without meeting interactive stuff. The NPCs having 0 expression in a game that needs a good pc together is stupid. The UI is terrible and the Itemsystem is just a unpaid chore without console commands. The leveling of skills being with minimal interaction is kinda 5/10. That being said i am still having some fun. I think the game is 1 5/10 that could be 8/10 if it was finished and well done and gets downgraded to 3/10 by the state it is in. It is a manifestation of a developer being lazy and leaving modders to fix everything, bethesda got greedy and bad. And yet i am part of the problem since i am still having fun with mods and bought the game.
Yeah, we shouldn't accept that the game is crap just because we have played their other crap games. We could just play other games that aren't crap, you know?
Also going to add i get the DLSS is unfortunate but man we need to stop making it act like its needed. Nvidia benefits from that monopoly so fucking much.
I have 77.4 hours of playing time and have not encountered any of these bugs. Had one crash and one time Sarah Morgan got stuck in a chair and freaked out. Considering I didn't finish Fallout 4 due to a settlement bug that caused all the beds to disappear after 15 minutes of leaving so I had to jump back and enter build mode for them to appear only to disappear again after 15 min so everyone got mad and started to leave, so I'm pretty happy so far. But leaving everything to those who make mods for the game (no matter how good they are) feels a bit lazy.😊
STOP HITTING THE TABLE PLZ 😢
The thing I hate most in starfield is the lock picking.
There's a mod to make that trivial.
I enjoy it, it's more of a fun puzzle than they typically do and it's also a lot more optional cuz you don't really get much out of it either you can just skip it entirely and not be missing out on much besides a little more random ammo now and then.
Why? It is the best version they have come up with so far.
@@katarjin the higher level ones take too much time rather than skyrims that you can do in seconds.
Just feels like it’s taking me away from the game I want to play to hopefully get something good
And most of the time the reward is not worth the advanced locks
I have been avoiding most spoilers, but after their explanation of the NG+ system in Starfield, that's absolutely garbage system.
Its cliche, but hope mods can fix that. Maybe by being able to become space god in a single, set playthrough/universe, without speed running the main story dozens of times going NG++++++++ and wiping constantly, before actually starting to play.
Or just wait until all the DLC/expansions have come out and then start playing, but it still wouldn't fix the issues.
Maybe just have to cheat the powers as you play the game, after every couple levels cheat another point in a power.
I'm honestly kind of confused by it. It's an RPG who wants to do their second playthrough of an RPG with exactly the same character? I guess it'll be interesting what modders do with the framework though
bethesda doesnt know how to make modern games