The Indigo Disk Is Just A Shipping Club
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- Опубліковано 22 гру 2023
- Drayton and Carmine like each other, but did you know that Kieran, Amarys, Lacey, and Crispin all have a crush on each other as well?
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I like to think carmine just cannot decide if she is into the protagonist or Drayton.
Ikrr
Totally
Honestly thought she came off as more protective of us, being worried Drayton would drag us into whatever he was scheming, which of course he did. Although it turned out to be benign. But both she and Lacey seem quite suspicious of his motives in general and thinking he was trying to take advantage of us.
why not both
@@Arthion Same. Carmine latched onto us like her own brother. She cares a LOT for us.
I'd like to believe Carmine is so blunt that she is just outwardly telling us her hatred for Drayton. Full on no-social-filter.
She's a tsun too
That is in character for her lol
Yeah, it seems pretty clear that the hate is genuine
She just doesn’t understand how words hurt.
Yeah that's her exact character, the idea she likes Drayton is a reach.
Kieran may have a crush on the player. Unlike Shauna and Lillie, whose dialogue changes depending on gender. Kieran's dialogue doesn't change for the player.
There are some moments in the DLC where Kieran's crush comes into play. Kieran got embarrassed when Carmine told the player Kieran spend the whole night talking about them. He said "You're...You're special to the player before changing the subject. He gets all flustered when the player said they're friends. Not to mention he gives the player an Applin. We all know what giving a person an Applin means.
honestly i forgot about those small details, theyre really good evidence. when does kieran give the player an applib?
@@taputurquoise after the whole Mochi event scheduled for next year.
@@chusy1269 thanks bro 👍
Kieran is bi headcanon
Definitely! Which makes Amarys' case kinda sad, because putting aside if they would even mesh well as a couple, she wants to be to him what the player IS to him. It's kinda doomed to be one-sided. Given we probably get more interactions with Kieran and Carmine after the Epilogue and the Applin thing is there, I'm assuming it's gonna become more clear there. And I do wonder if we get to see Amarys and him interact and/or see her react to you guys' relationship.
Love the fact that this is the game they choose to put romantic interest between some characters in, since it's the one with the most emphasis on relationships. And with the league club members all being teens, there's just bound to be some romantic tension here and there, even if nothing ever comes out of it.
Basically everyone thinks the MC is super kewl, so it just makes sense that there's gonna be some character thrown into the mix who'd straight up crush on them
You forgot something.
Lacy mentions Drayton a lot, and Drayton openly wonders why Lacy treats him differently than the rest. Lacy seems to keep turning down Crispin because she has eyes on Drayton, and it's kinda funny.
Lacey never turns Crispin because Crispin always chickens out, Hybrid makes it seem like he's always trying to hit on her and she turns him when if you actually look at the dialogue he always chickens out before asking, and she's just annoyed he won't say what he wants.
@@Vandalieu
Good eye
Crispin & Lacey have what I call the Ichigo/Orihime relationship. They are friends, have feelings for each other, and acknowledge it to a capacity but are still dense in their own way to fully confess.
@@bagarcia09 to me it doesn't feel like Lacey has feelings for Crispin, like at all
Sweet Girl likes cute stuff, but secretly yearns for something more risky like a tough guy/bad boy but is hiding it trope
I love how if you call Lacey cute after the gym battle she just tells you you’re wrong. Common Lacey W.
I called her cute to flirt with her 😂
I genuinely thought she was adorable.
Not as adorable as Iono, but she’s up there.
Immediately Friend Zoned
I flirted with her despite not even liking girls and I got rejected 🤡🤡
🙅♀️
I actually thought both Carmine and Kieran were crushing on the player
At the end of Teal Mask, Carmine starts to try to say “it’s kinda embarrassing, but I actually-“ that gets interrupted by Briar’s phone call, and throughout that part of the story she keeps blatantly elevating herself as “pretty,” like when she says she expects the player to be so distracted by her as to lose battles, or when you find Fezandipiti and she compares herself to it. She doesn’t really direct these comments at anyone else, so when Drayten asks you on the lunchroom date and she freaks out, I thought it was because she was jealous of him and not the player.
Though the way she gets casual again when she says “were you seriously about to explain to me what a date is?” Does make a little more sense if she were crushing on Drayten, bc she’d be more likely to be embarrassed talking about it in front of the person she likes/wants to make an impression on. But I figured there was just more evidence of her liking player.
,,which is wacky bc I shipped player w/ Kieran bc,,, come on.
He “couldn’t stop talking about you” at the beginning??
Follows you at a distance (,,,yeah he’s just shy in general but I still think it’s worth mentioning),
Gets a “tingly feeling” hearing you call him a “friend,”
He kinda gapes at you when his grandparents put you in the jinbei and do your hair (they also say “it’s like I’ve gained another granddaughter/grandson” and that’s…. Lol. Though I don’t remember Kieran reacting to that line,,, but it also means he doesn’t contest it, or he could be just so taken aback by how you look that he doesn’t hear it,, but this is more theory than evidence.)
Is super apologetic for his sister (which could just be read as them caring about each other and wanting others to understand them, but the way Kieran gets pissed to the point that he does over Carmine stealing your attention and friendship and blowing off her insults and attempts to reach out + just in general the fact that she practically emotionally abuses him from the start, even if it’s unintentional/usually done with the intention of trying to get him to “fit in” = I really think he’s more worried about how the player sees him/how comfortable they are in the moment/how comfortable they are *sticking around*)
Drayton tries to rile him up by pointing out how close he is with the player at the lunch date
He *wants* the player to succeed and reach him because he wants to be the one to beat them and *show off* how much stronger he’s become- he wants them to admire him.
During the Terapagos part of the DLC he pretty blatantly says Carmine took the player away from him + His general obsession with player/beating the player I think isn’t just driven by the rivalry and bitterness about Ogerpon and being lied to/treated like a kid
People in comments here are saying it’s been datamined that Kieran trades you an Applin, which is apparently like trading you a Luvdisc (I didn’t play SwSh but people are saying it’s a tradition introduced there)
Also it’s not exactly a shipping thing, it could just be a friend thing,,, but just this on top of everything else, he buys you a candy apple at the festival with his own allowance. Kids are gonna treasure that money, so to spend it on someone else they really gotta like you.
Anyways
Lmao
Also I didn’t know about Amarys crushing on Kieran/that dialogue about feeling her heart race that’s crazy,, I think they could be cute, it’d just be hard to initially break the ice.
Though it’s worth mentioning that she comments on wanting to be to Kieran what the player is… what does that say about player and Kieran’s relationship…
Anyways. This game was crazy sfhgksnkfjskjf I don’t think we’ve had such blatant Pokemon shipping before
,,I mean I always loved N x Touko/Touya but even that wasn’t so obvious, it was more projecting bc I loved N. This game has pairings that are just “they literally said,,,, like there’s no speculation here it’s just canon.”
I ain’t reading allat
Why did u write a whole essay and think people would read it
I agree with alot of your points!
This was so fun to read! I can see your passion for the game🤩 It seems that people's attention span is shit, the longest I've watched something for is 5 hours straight. Ooo but binging a book is so much fun if it's well written!❤
Nah, not ever so much obvious shipping talk before! Insane! Total shipping everywhere, since Teal Mask, then so much in Indigo Disk oh my-
Pokémon fans: **starts to ship characters**
Gamefreak: Alright. Two can play that game
Two* ?
@@samipro5460we all know good and well what they meant 🙄
SO REAL, SO REAL, SO REAL
FR! 🤣
I think it’s more like Drayton mentions the word “Date” to get a rise out of Carmine, who acts like a jealous kinda person, because it definitely seems like she’s interested in the player character
It seems to me that they are deliberately emphasizing "date" here just to embed fujoshi culture (That's why she was so surprised) lol
Either that or she knows that he's bad for you because of how he wined, dined and ditched her little brother. Just sayin'.
@@e9310103838sorry to burst your bubble but the dialogue didn’t change even if you played the female MC. Carmine will still act shocked and stutter. It’s not any sort of bait. And personally I have fun teasing her because we get to see her act a bit like her old self compared to how she is starting Indigo disk. Frankly the only time they do something with gender is Clavell with how he addresses you. Beyond that it’s rarely there and characters act as if you’re the same regardless of which gender you choose.
Don't take this away from me!
@@e9310103838 Nothing to do with Fujoshi culture. The dialogue is the complete same as female MC too. Nothing to do with your yaoi fantasies. lol
Can safely say the Player has rizz.
Arven, Carmine, and Kieran all have a thing for them. I say Arven because he blantantly gets jealous over Kieran interacting with them and admits to being as such, so I wouldn't be surprised if Drayton did like them too.
Also, the reason Lacey gets annoyed with Crispin's attempts to ask her out is because he actually never finishes. He always chickens out. She even says so.
I always thought Kieran had a massive puppy crush on the player ngl. Just the way Carmine keeps teasing him about it too (older sister energy) revealing that he constantly talks about us at home and wanted to pair with us but was too shy to say it.
I know it could just be a platonic idealization thing, but I feel like there's a little more to it. Plus MC and Kieran are around the same age so I don't think it's harmful to have this lil headcanon about the two.
After we get the orger I don't think so😂
@@xXunknownXx0000 its toxic love bro, he hates us as much as he loves/idolizes us. and thats kinda sad to think about. kieran hates the player, but not because of the player's fault.
I agree, Kieran has a crush on the player (Juliana/Florian)
LITERALLY HES SO OBVIOUSLY ABOUT IT
we do a ntr to Amarys then XD?
It gets even more shippy with Mochi Mayhem.
After playing the epilogue, you can get your rematch with Kieran and he'll trade you an Applin. Applins as gifts as established by Sword and Shield are things you give people if you like them romantically.
Bro probably never knew that but is still funny to thimk about
I mean, given his obsession could be somewhat yandere-coded and he had a very clear crush on the MC even before then...this is not surprising whatsoever.
@@sovest555 I think you mean the FEMALE MC
YESSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!! LET'S F///ING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
@@MarcusLam-ks7kb Did I stutter?
Fun fact, there's a chance when Amarys ask us about our relationship with Kieran to choose that we're a couple, and she's shocked, then she tries to change the meaning of what we said for not being an actual couple (and we weren't a couple, but is quite interesting her reaction to that possibility)
The specific phrase we use is "paired up (with Kieran)". Unlike the word "couple", "pair" doesn't necessarily have a romantic connotation attached to it (it's only when it's used in that context)
@@Syiepherze well, I'm refering to my context, which is in the Spanish version, there Amarys says "pareja", which can mean either pair or couple
@@kiawegamer I played it in Spanish too but the English alternative is also shown in this video, instead of talking about how you two "were a pair", in english it just says you paired up
@@ConvenientLamp yeah, similar to the conclusion Amarys went into, as "pareja de aventuras"
Yay, el pequeño rincón de los españoles 😊
Poor HybridHero went mad at the “lack of lore” that he became a shipper.
I’m another one for Kieran and our character. Even just seeing the way he looks at mc, especially in the epilogue… he’s got that sweet, slightly embarrassed smile, and he gazes at them for a while… poor lad has it bad for mc! Let alone the fact he’s pretty much spending Indigo Disk either trying to best us or impress us, and even admits he wants to be like us. I feel he doesn’t want to be *like* us, he wants to be *with* us. And admittedly as a Kieran fan, I’m all for it!
While Amayris may like kieran, he clearly is crushing on the player.
We, the player, are from Galar. Kieran knows about this. He also knows of the Galarian tradition of giving an Applin to the one you love.
He literally gives us an Applin post Pecharunt event. And he practically confessed. He's mild yandere coded.
And yes Drayton is into the player. He openly flirts and even outright has us enter his trial for free.
I think it’s really funny how Carmine and Kieran bring the tsundere and yandere stereotypes into Pokémon lol. Carmine is mean and slowly opens up, while Kieran is first nice and slowly goes crazy.
I think Drayton is subtly manipulative, I interpreted his actions as buttering us up to fulfill his plans to bring Kieran back to his senses...he feels guilty enough that he has to lay it out for you when you face him.
Man or woman 🤨🏳️🌈
From Paldea, so your first point about our character being from Galar isn't necessarily a thing (although my character canonically is from Galar, that's just my oc), but Applin still means what it does. There's no way Kieran coincidentally would give us an Applin like that, no... :)
@@eglolI think thebplayer recently moves there. And I believe your Mother uses the term 'cuppa'. Which is usually used in the UK or Australia for a cup of tea. So could be from either a new region or Galar.
Though this might be digging
I mean... Kieran is definitely in love with MC
as for the E4, pokemon BW2 has the closest thing to a dating sim, and these kids are all from Unova
..Did y'all really just forget about Arven? I mean, I DO play as Julianna, but I'm pretty sure he gets just as attached/needy to Florian too...The Teal Mask and Indigo Disk are just extra options in a dating sim, I guess?
Just ignore my comment if you don't wanna be spoiled about the upcoming epilogue but:
So true lmao. He's straight up jealous of Kieran being your new mystery buddy and is hellbent on proving that HE is your bestest bestie throughout that story arc. All his dialogue is the same regardless of gender too. Meanwhile Penny and Nemona are completely chill about you having another friend and are just excited to meet him.
@@ChillingDusselgurr Arven defending his man😂
And Kieran is all but spelled out to have a crush on the player so......gay fight square up
@@ChillingDusselgurrHuh, ironic that Nemona is the one who doesn’t care too much, but Arven is. You’d think Nemona would want the player for herself, but I guess she heard Kieran is a (ex)champion so she’s gonna like him and fight him
@@8bitutopia182Oh yeah, Nemona is mostly just excited to battle him once she finds out he's a strong trainer from a battle-focused school. I think their different reactions stem from Arven being a lonely boi who made a special connection with you, since you're the one who listened to his daddy issues and helped him cure his beloved doggo. You're basically part of his special family now. Meanwhile Nemona does like being your friend, but her biggest interest is battling strong trainers. She just wants to have someone who's an actual challenge in the sport she loves. So she doesn't care what relationship you have with others, she's just happy that you brought another strong trainer into her life that way. After all, even if you idk, went ahead and declared you wanna marry Kieran or some, she'd just be like "oh nice so if I go to your house I'd get to battle two strong trainers in one go lucky me :D"
Bro arven is literally my first pokemon crush, love him to death
Nah man, Kieran and the MC all the way. 😂
Mc x more height is better
MC X Carmine is the endgame
Surprised that you didn't menton Kieran's obvious crush on the MC. If you cover up his dialog in the final cutscene you notice it is staged to look like he's confessing his feelings.
I'm still saddened we never just hug him. After he has his little breakdown and cry after Terapagos. Or when you get back and admit to staying with him. Would have been cute but maybe too on the nose?
With the release of the epilogue this is even further supported with him trading the mc an Applin in the League Club, which is said to be a gesture of romantic affection.
@@jordanbrandon81 absolutely agree, I wanted to give him a hug
@@unbearable505 i hoped he'd have dialog for trading him an applin in return but sadly not haha
@@aspenve Oh, that'd be amazing.
Kieren was obvious from the start it was like he was star struck from the very beginning, Carmine only had feelings later after the end, or hid it better than kieren and she even teases him about it during the Teal mask we even had a date at the festival and Carmine was very supportive of it
Say what you want about Carmine, but she is supportive of his brother 100%
Carmine is an ally
We Stan
@@Rowan_nawoR exit door is down the hall to the left.
@@royalgelly8948 what do you mean 😭
Even though Carmine is probably an ally, she’s still an ass for most of the dlcs
If anything I think Carmine acts more like someone that USED to date Drayton but they broke up. That's why they know each other well but Carmine still acts aggressive toward Drayton, who wouldn't after a break up. Also explains the irrational distrust of Drayton, aside from him being distrusted by generally everyone in Blueberry Academy.
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I think the real thing that you should've mentioned is that Lacey seems to feel some type a way for Drayton. When you beat her, He talks about she acts kind and stuff with everyone except him. That she acts differently toward him than she does with the other characters.
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If you think either of that is looking too far into it, mind you the same could be said of Carmine being into Drayton when there isn't any real proof beyond looking far into it. I'm fine with either being true, but I think it fits better for her to simply distrust him for whatever reason.
I'm personally more in the camp of shipping Carmine and Amarys. Carmine treats pretty much everyone with aggression, and maybe not as much the protag. But Carmine has no aggression at all for Amarys, and I feel like it's not indifference but they actually get along with each other. Even Drayton comments on the fact that they get along and understand each other strangely well. Anyway, for me the deal was sealed when I learned that Carmine actually taught Amarys how to do heart hands. If that's not proof then I don't know what is.
As for Drayton and Lacey, I personally don't see anything at all. I honestly see it as a metaphor to how Fairies bully Dragons. So the Fairy type trainer is gonna be overly admonishing to the Dragon type trainer. The all powerful dragons being bullied by the fairy kinda vibe and dynamic in my opinion
@@jcferido Eh I don't really see it, the way she acts with other characters is of the circumstance. If anything it looks more like Carmine knows that Amarys likes Kieran whether Amarys herself knows it or not. Drayton most likely mentions the fact that they get along well because both of them seem to not have a lot of friends. Amarys for being seemingly cold on the outside, and Carmine because she grows really attached to the player character in the Teal Mask. So much that she felt very sad when she had to leave, that it could be implied she didn't have many friends because of that.
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You also gotta remember that she only ever acts aggressive with like 3 people, Kieran, Drayton, and us. The common factor, probably because she's more casual with those 3 characters. She's only aggressive to us in the beginning because she didn't like the idea of there being "intruders" in Kitakami in the first place. So if she met us elsewhere, she might not have been as rude. Amarys on the other hand is a generally formal person, while she does call Carmine a "dear" friend, Carmine just calls her a classmate.
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As for the pose thing, I don't really think it mounts to anything. Tulip the Psychic Gym Leader was revealed to have taught Kofu the Water Gym Leader the pose we did after beating him the first time. It doesn't really mean anything, just something cool to learn about the interconnectivity.
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And yea that point about Drayton and Lacey was a loose one, I just brought it up because it seemed more likely than Carmine having a thing for Drayton. But I don't think Lacey not being nice to Drayton is a parallel to Fairies stomping on Dragons but just that Drayton is so untrustworthy that not even Lacey, who generally is kind to everyone, can trust him.
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They haven't really said anything regarding Carmine or Drayton, so I think it's fine to keep them without a "pairing". The only real pairings that have been confirmed are Amarys liking Kieran, and Crispin liking Lacey.
I think carmine isn’t into Drayton but instead harbors feelings for the male protagonist. In Kitakami/teal mask she almost confessed her love to the player. I think it was suppose to be a summer romance. Also Carmine entrust is to help her little brother. If she liked Drayton then why didn’t she have him help her family. It’s almost like coming over to meet her family for Christmas or something. She entrust us the player to save her family. Now that’s deep.
@@jcferidoI'm a bit mixed on that though I totally support it. They seemingly get along better than her and Drayton (I kinda see them as possibly once a thing until she got fed up with his mannerisms) though I kinda see Amarys as the sister she wants to be for Kieran but hey, it doesn't she wouldn't think more between her and Kieran's sister.
That actually makes a lot of sense haha
If Carmine somehow caught Amarys had feelings for her brother, she either supports her or got mad because Amarys break "girls code" or something like that.
Even at the end of the Indigo Disk, I don't think Kieran has feelings for Amarys. She seems to be Carmine's age and probably hangs out with her more then him.
I honestly think Kieran gets feelings for the Protagonist, thus why he gets all nervous at the end when asking if you guys could start over.
Amarys definetly feels like it's one way. Kieran has an obvious infatuation with the player. Can easily imply him blushing in numerous scenes.
And honestly that's a power house couple. Those two would dominate a major Doubles league
@@jordanbrandon81 they DEFINITELY would! I would want to see that lol similar to the battle tree in Alola that u can battle alongside a chosen partner
Amarys really saw Kieran and said "I can fix him"
Until we come along and she then says “actually no I can’t, you go for it!”
It’s quite fitting for some of this DLC’s characters to have romantic interests, since it’s in Unova, and Black 2 & White 2 had a side quest that was basically a romance subplot with the protagonist and either Yancy or Curtis (depending on your gender).
Petition for GF to add dating sim in the next game 🙋♀️
@@oslenamartinez8673as much as that would be fun, the fact that most mcs are minors hurts the chances of it happening unless they’re ready for backlash
@@EvanAfton10it's something that could work but honestly it's such a touchy subject that they may be better off just leaving it be
@@AnOriginalName500 to be fair, we gotta have someone be brave to go into it eventually, otherwise we’ll never know if it’s gonna work
@@EvanAfton10 exactly. GF too scared to try anything new nowadays. Like, the dating sim doesn’t have to contribute to the plot or anything. Or even announced at all. Heck, I only found out about Yancy and Curtis TODAY, after 10 years. I missed when GF added extra stuff in the game for the sake of fun, cuz why not?
BONK! All of them, go to horny jail now.
(But I lowkey love that Drayton asks the player character regardless of gender on a date)
They put in the most accurate thing to American Highschools, the DRAMA
I often make the joke that whenever Kieran and the rest of the elite four walk into the cafeteria, I find myself sitting there crying with laughter. It feels like a scene straight out of the movie 'Mean Girls'. I then wonder if I should even be sitting at their table.
Indigo Disk : The Love Island
LMAOOO Poor Amarys, too bad Kieran is ass over tea kettle for the player character. Crispin and Lacey is so obvious tho, not sure if I can see Carmine and Drayton or not
I don't really feel much coming from drayton and carmine, they do give off the comedic duo banter vibes for me.
Definitely feel something between lacey and drayton.
Krispin is very obvious with his crush.
amarys definitely has something for kieran.
it'd be quite the funny if its something like this
kieran
I got the vibe that Carmine and Drayton were salty exes lol
pc X Kieran is the cutest cannon thing ever in the pokemon games. I know a few characters in the game seem to crush on Kieran but Kieran definetly is into pc. no offense to Amarys but I think if she was the one that beat Kieran, she'd have made things worse.
I think Kiki is into Juliana because of the way he acted in Kitakami and he tries to act cool and emo to hide it in the Indigo Disk and Juliana may be into him with the amount of concern she shows towards him
Also on a replay, I noticed that the smile MC has for Kieran when Drayton says “Oh Kieran, look who’s here with me” is kind of… extreme… for someone who only sees Kieran as a *friend*! Makes me laugh! MC is definitely into Kieran too.
@@Tinaf653cope
I love these characters so much I’m going to miss them when we leave Paldea for the next game.
Florian/Juliana are just gigachads. Dont believe me? Nemona, Penny, Arven, Nurse Miram, Carmine, Kieran, Drayton, I can go on and on.
I rest my case
Honestly Nemona seems more 'battle sexual'
She likes you with battling and being a friend. Very Goku esc. Arven though. Yea he seems to have something going
Glad they just admitted everyone's in a massive ship ball and the PC is wanted by all.
@@jordanbrandon81 It's just the power of being MC. Everyone wants a piece, fr. lol
I'm honestly surprised how nobody did a comic of the protag meeting and then battling carmine and nemona's battle sense just goes haywire as she just swims all the way to the protag out of a blind fury.
I don’t know if I should be scared, but I can see this happening.
Oh no... Go! Galaxy, Gold, Gloomyshadow, Ghostsong, Gemstone, and Thunder protect me
Galaxy is a Espeon
Gold is a Sylveon
Gloomyshadow is a shiny Umbreon
Ghostsong is a Skelidrige
Gemstone is a dusk form Lycanroc
Thunder is a Jolteon
Kieran x the player because of how much theyve been through together. Idr if amrys and kieran even talked together in the dlc
I personally cannot see a world where Carmine is into Drayton
She's 100% into us tho
Not going to lie.
Agreed
Exactly
True
Indeed she hated us so much and now she gets overprotective with us like with his bro
If anything, they were once a couple but it didn't last.
Yeah I kinda like how this game dabbled in shipping. I just hope Gen 10 does this amount and doesn’t develop into a soap opera
same
I would play that game just for curiosity ngl
I mean, I feel like Gen 8 also had shipping. Leon and Raihan *are* boyfriends after all 💁♂️
Hopefully the same writing philosophy. This game had some of the best writing and lively characters. Let them flirt!
@@aspiringwayfarer there is no heterosexual way to explain those two
SHIPPINGS!?!?!
To add to Amarys crush on Kieran, when she asks you what Kieran is to you, if you pick rival, she says something about you having acknowledged him from before, and then she says "How annoying".
I didn't understand why that was annoying. Now I know.
There is a dialogue option after Lacey’s battle where you can call her cute. Naturally, I picked it. She rejects your advances if you do so, and considering Lacey rejects other people’s advances, this might be a common thing for her.
The thing is about the drayton and carmine thing is that carmine has dialogue in the game where she tries to tell the MC something but she gets cut off. I think thats something 😮
There’s suprisingly a lot of love stuff in this dlc
Edit: and I love it
So what we've learned today is that the protagonist has infinate rizz
actually just realized the people ranting about carmine being into the mc are guys and the people ranting about kieran being into the mc are girls. this actually makes sense to me now. fuck.
My bisexual self thinks that Carmine, Kieran and Drayton like the main character.
The first impression I literally had of Drayton was:
Oh he’s trying to rizz someone up I just don’t know who
'Who's he flirting with?'
"Yes"
Same
Still find it hilarious that there is a text option where you try to manplain what a Date is to Carmine.
The sass in this DLC was amazing. We need more of it
Yeah this is something my friend and I were talking about before. Its clear Crispin likes Lacey but either he hasn't said it properly or Lacey has turned him down. I get the feeling its more that he hasn't spoken his feelings honestly yet, otherwise there's really no reason for him to try and guess to see if Lacy is seeking other guys. He wants to know if he has a shot but each time he's about to take it, he slips up because he's still a nervous teen.
I *QUICKLY* realized Amarys had a romantic interest in Kieran and outside of Carmine, he's the only one she really speaks about and shows constant worry over. She doesn't know how to show her feelings and it ironically mixes well in a very funny way with someone like Kieran who desperately wants someone to notice him and care about him... and the only one who does is the one who doesn't know how to show she cares lol. I freaking love it. She's already best friends with Carmine so I'm totally down with the idea of those two eventually getting together.... tho I imagine with those two, without an outside push, it wouldn't happen til their mid 30's given their personalities.
The one I least agree with is Carmine and Drayton. The reason being, I get the feeling Drayton is just the hot guy who kinda gets on the girl's nerves, but its also what draws them in. He's too busy doing his own thing to care about girls but both Carmine and Lacey show they know Drayton on a personal level as friends, yet both have nothing but awful things to say about him. Even Crispin outright tells Drayton he acts like a "bad guy" to get what he wants so its clear with Drayton, he just naturally rubs everyone the wrong way but with the girls, he's the annoying guy that's carefree and hot, so the inner conflict is always there for the ladies lol.
I really get the impression that Carmine is more into the protagonist than anything else. Several characters take note of this outright that she's got a strong attachment to him, and with the "Date" situation, it seemed more that she was annoyed that Drayton was taking a personal interest in you, not that she secretly wanted Drayton's attention for herself. Many people from Lacey to Carmine and later Crispin and Kieran take note that Drayton is just being shrewd about his interest in the player (Later proven to be true) and that he has a pattern and habit for this type of thing that bothers everyone around him. So out of the pairings, I agree with all but CarminexDrayton.
I think that Lacey is oblivious to Crispin liking her (he probably tried and chickened out a ton of times, that's why she said that "this again?"), and to how close she is to Drayton, basically being hard on him since she knows he can do better if he stops being lazy (wants him to be his better self you know?)
And about Carmine and Drayton, I don't doubt the possibility of them being exes or something like it, but I think that it's more of a "ohhh she probably likes the MC considering how much she continues to talk about them... I'll use that... After all, he is the type that "uses" the weaknesses of others against them when it's useful or interesting enough (like he did with Kieran)
Amarys is just a complete Kuudere tho, still needs to notice that she likes Kieran (and yeah, their dates would most probably be just them, somewhere, holding hands in silence not knowing what to talk about)
Drayton was into us, I mean he invited us on a date and his dialogue is always full of innuendos and double entendres, specially before his battle
Didn’t he invite kieran on a “date” also?
A date isn't exclusively romantic and the date itself wasn't romantic at all lol
@@xXunknownXx0000tbf what kind of highschooler uses date in not a romantic way when asking someone to meet up w them
So, just a normal high school setting, basically.
So glad someone finally mentioned this!!😂 but I think Kieran has something for the MC and Drayton could possibly like the MC as well but way less than Kieran.
I think Drayton was more intrigued by the MC, especially considering how the player was a major factor in Kieran’s transformation. Then again… they all were interested, and I really believe Lacey and Amarys were against the player joining the BB League because they felt the player was at fault for Kieran becoming the way he was. After all, the player was the only one Kieran lost to at that point.
Nahhhhh tbh
Also. ALL THE GYM LEADER AND ELITE 4 HAVE SHIPPING BAIT DIALOGUE the first that come to mind are the fighting type girl with the nurse, and tulip with rika they just straight up ask for a date lmao
I noticed some possible stuff with Iono and Grusha.
@@gustavju4686 grusha just plays the "You changed bro" to iono that just implies that canonically grusha was once a iono fanboy lmao
YES THE FIGHTING TEACHER AND THE NURSE,, I shipped them before the DCLs came out. Do they have special dialog?
@@catscanhavelittleasalami yes they miriam ask for "When the next uhm "Meal"" to dendra they have some interactions with eachother and mention the other tulip also said dendra said one of her coworkers was juat the cutest or adorable refering to miriam
Brassius and Hassel definitely have something going on you attended all the art classes they have dialogue that heavily implies they at one point had a romantic relationship
"I hate you but I love you." Textbook tsundere. Carmine is written as a tsundere character, I think. During the festival part of Teal Mask the game confirms it during the episode where Carmine turns the house upside down but can't find a mask for your character. That's probably why the underside of her hair is red. Characters with "fiery" personality traits tend to have red(-ish) hair (think Crispin and Gen. 1 anime Misty). I think Carmine just acts that way towards people she cares about deeply. The game confirms Team Star Ortega as yet another tsundere character.
The underside of her hair are red to represent scarlet and kieran's are purple to represent violet.
@@marinagaleotti Dual purpose, maybe?
Giacomo: Dude you like MC
Ortega does just hate everyone and everything... but also doesn't. He just has a ton of sass
@@JadeTheProtogen1 Ortega: You. All. Are. The. WORST!!!
We are shipped with kieren 😂
He's quite an interesting character though 🤣 but i personally feel he's gonna end up with amarys somehow
The Hidden Treasure of Area Zero Part 2 - Degrassi High
Nobody is taking Kieran away from me. Chica better step TF back.
Wait, Chica?
And yeah Kieran definitely likes us
Who's Chica. This ain't FNAF
@@catscanhavelittleasalamiChica is just the Spanish word for girl. They mean Amarys
I wanna find out how Penny reacts to Kieran
Shy Kieran and Amarys together would be hilariously awkward.😂
here's my take: kieran 10000% has a crush on the player, and carmine does 100% as well. but, not throwing any hate out there to people who like her, but i personally do not like amyris or however you spell it. so the fact that i have a crush on kieran (personally) and as does amyris, with kieran liking the player, it just creates an awkward love triangle.
everyone is sharing so many opinions here and i love reading them 😂😭😭
If Nemona was in this DLC she would absolutely Just-Monika the player into being with her lmao
Kieran ends up doing this as the event ends up being focused around him
Carmine is defensive because she actually likes YOU, the player. She even conveyed her feelings toward you at the end of Teal Mask. She's also trashing Drayton, because she wants you to only like her and no one else. Drayton also has a tendency to use people for his own amusement and goals because he's too lazy to do it himself, which Carmine was trying to warn you about.
I think poor amarys is one sided love.... I believe kieran might have a crush on the player. He is so different when hes around us. We even pushed him to this insane level of wanting to be strong like us. Maybe to impress us as well?
I think the BB League is full of unrequited love/crushes.
Crispin likes Lacey, as you said.
Lacey mentions that she thinks Kieran looks cute with his hair up.
Amarys also might like Kieran, as you pointed out.
Carmine definitely has a crush on Drayton.
But I really do believe Drayton is flirting on the player character, whether they are a boy or a girl. We love a bisexual disaster icon! Lol. He offers to take us out on a date, and when he gives us the Catching Charm, he says it’s “from one charming catch to another”. Come on, that’s totally flirting.
And Kieran’s total obsession with the player character is really intense. Not sure if it’s love exactly, or just admiration, envy, the potential influence of a certain fruit mythical Pokémon that we may see in the DLC Part 3 Epilogue on January 11th, but whatever it is, I really hope he works through it and based on the ending of the second part of the DLC, I’m optimistic he will.
So the League is kinda all over the place with people like someone, but rarely are 2 people both crushing on each other.
Carmine likes the MC, not Drayton.
If you guys can listen to Carmine tell us that Drayton is the worst, and continually belittle him and call him out for being lazy, and then think she’s into him… I worry about you guys’s relationships.
Plot twist we take Drayton for ourselves.
😂 I support the Carmine and Drayton shipping and Kieran x protagonist
its also canon that penny thinks atticas is hot. in the post game when you are with penny watching the team star leaders adapt to being back at school when atticas takes his hood off penny mentions how good looking he is
Well, she isn't wrong about that, ( no homo but he is indeed good looking )
Yeah 😂
Also, ironically, Atticus is more or less in the same wavelenght as Peony, who is confirmed in the DLC to be her dad
If they get together, Peony will LOVE his son in law
I mean... everyone thinks Atticus is hot
@@SnowyGirlRoblox Yeah, right?! I'm kinda jealous of him, lol
The fact Drayton would even pretend to consider dating a guy is revolutionary to me, in terms of Pokémon story anyway.
Parte de la vida moderna, además se nota q drayton siente atracción hacia el prota sin importar su sexo ya q es bisexual y por eso habla de una cita sin importar si se trata de Florian o Juliana, le juro q si el chico me invitara a salir de una le digo q si aunque haya una diferencia de edad ya q el se ve de 19 y yo tengo 30 pero q importa jaja, amo a ese galán 😍🔥
@@ticopatriota-786Qué pedo contigo...
Lol I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed all these obvious school romance shenanigans 😭😭I love it
Now the shipping wars have started, whom would make their relationships canon in the next DLC? whom would *WE* (the player) get as a lover? Find out next time on *Pokemon Lovers Z!*
that and Kieran's OBVIOUS OBVIOUS crush on the MC
Imagine Valentines day at school 😂.
*Their embarrassing exchanging 🎁 *
*Carmine to us*
Carmine: Hey, who's your Valentines?
Drayton: Oh they just left to go to the Terrarium to go shiny hunting.
*Us darting across the sky* 😂
*camera cuts to mc making a sandwich montage*
Yesssss shiny huntinggggg
@@suredoeslikeexisting cuts to us calling Arven begging him to send us any extra Herba 🤣
My general headcanon for the SV protag is that they are just too focused on Pokémons to notice all the love interests.
Nah nah nah. Drayton is 100% into the player and I will die on this hill😂
And him being a gay flirty slacker is not even out of character, since being a charismatic slacker that is also a genius is his character (and also helps hammer up the diferences between him and his grandpa. One is a conservative looking and traditional dude. The other is be gay do crime incarnate)
Drayton: "Carmine would be the best trainer at our school if she'd try harder."
Carmine: "Go, Mightyena!"
It's pretty explicit that both Kieran and Carmine each have a crush on the player
I never thought I'd see people in school crushing on each other.
not me thinking drayton was trying to ask me out during the playthrough
I always ship Kieran with the player character. Also I love how Lacey will shut you down if you try to call her cute.
I don't think that sentence "ahh this again" is allusion that she has shot him down before but more he's tried before and always friztes up and she wants him to really do the confession before dating him type thing
This is exactly it, hybrid makes it seem he's always trying to ask her out but you can see in the dialogue that he never does so, chickening out at the very end, and Lacey's reaction of not again is in response to him never actually telling her what he wants.
Wonder if she would say yes. Lacey likes cute things and Crispin is adorable.
Meh, I don't see it. She seems like the kind of person who isn't shy and would straight up tell you if she likes you, she wouldn't care to wait for the other to make the first step.
Although she just doesn't seem to be interested in romance.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami her dad terrifies everyone so she wants to be sure their brave enough to ask her out.
I feel like Drayton might have a crush on Kieran too. He mentions how he liked him more when his hair was down, also the constant teasing and bickering with him and despite that, Drayton clearly cares about Kieran. Enough to put up this scheme for us to bring him down because he couldn't do it himself, trying and losing multiple times. Drayton just comes off as a guy who can't stop teasing the person he likes and he teases Kieran even more than he does Carmine.
Drayton to me seems more caring that loving to Kieran. Like he wants him to be better but can't do it. He seems to discern the player and Kieran have something going and uses that to get under his skin. But despite all that he never makes any pushes to Kieran.
He strikes me more like Carmine. Being more an older Brother figure. I'd imagine if Kieran was being bullied he'd step in. For instance if verbally like teasing. He'd come in, change topics or even make himself the target to let Kieran get out. Or if physical bullying I'd imagine him stepping in and throwing hands.
I can see both him and Carmine shipping the player and Kieran. The two bonding over trying to get them together as a sort of Jesse and James duo.
Now the player. Maybe. Drayton seems more chaotic bi sexual. He'll flirt with anyone and everyone
Honestly, I don’t really think Carmine likes the mc, yk in a crush way, she just might like us in a friend way. Im still really attached to kieran and it’s pretty clear he has a crush on the mc, but im only halfway through indigo disk right now so kinda hoping it doesnt change, even if ive kicked his ass 7 times and caused his depressive and psychotic behavior
*epilogue Arven has joined the chat*
If you asked me, I'm just the one who believes in MC harem
Kieran: “I love you.”
Amarys: “I have a deep regard for you as well.”
Man, I knew I couldn't be the only one that noticed that through many points of the DLC it rather felt as if I was playing a date game rather than pokemon, lol
I would’ve been surprised if the Pokémon company randomly just dropped a date sim game went like here you guys go… have fun with that.
2:12 "i hate you but also I love you" i think that's called a tsundere lmao
If you look closely at Crispins hair you should see a little pink nudging towards the idea he likes Lacey
Lacy and Crispin would be such a cute couple. Sweet and Spicy! 🌶️
ya but i also feel like kieran is into the mc cuz in mochi mayhem he'll have a rematch with u and trade u an applin, and in pokemon sword and shield applins as gifts are things you give to people you like romantically- im more on the kieran x mc side then the kieran x amarys side
I think the reason Kieran offers Applin is because his ace is Hydrapple
@@silviastecconi5653 aight u do u
@@silviastecconi5653 But honestly when you think about it, he could've given the mc any other apple pokemon. He could have given an appletun, a flapple, or (most likely) a dipplin. I don't think him giving an applin is just a coincidence (but of course I could be wrong and gamefreak just chose a random apple pokemon)
@@galoxio965 Crispin for example offers Magby not Magmar in trade and coincidentally Magmortar is his ace
@@galoxio965applin is just the pre evo of his ace though. Drayton trades with us a Duralodon, which is the pre evo of Archaludon who’s also his ace.
One ship I chose to believe is if you choose the female version of the main character that kieran is into the main character. He has a obvious obsession with them and in the indigo disk goes insane trying to get stronger and prove that he is better and try’s to be a best friend to you and gets mad when carmine is talking too much to you. It is obvious.
My hc) is that Kieran has a crush on the player character if your female but in the teal mask dialogue saying “ he was talking about you all night “ I like to think that if your the male protag like he looks up to you
Right after I saw Crispin and Lacey ( I watched the trailer which my friend ) I told her: he likes her ( Crispin and Lacey) I was so happy when I saw the dialogue they had!
Lacey also acts tsundere around Drayton lol
I always like the love-hate relationship especially with anger-issued Carmine and just lazy, slacker Drayton
They made highschoolers.....highschoolers
Isn't Kieran considerably Younger than Amarys? Also none of the Elite 4 are happy with what happened to Kieran, so a weird feeling is probably not exclusive to Amarys.
Kieran (in the french version) is 14 years old. I’m not sure how old Amarys is, but maybe somewhere around 15-17? If she was 15 it would make sense, but 17 & 14 is way too huge of a gap. I’m not sure really
I don't think Carmine is interested in Drayton at all
It feels more like she likes the Player Trainer
Due to her being all happy to see them again but she immediately goes into Tsun mode when we basically Reject her
She likes the player (Tsundere love)
She genuinely hates Drayton
They know each other because they go to the same School
The Relationship of Drayton and Carmine just looks Toxic to me
Here here.
Also in the same club.
About your point at the end about not seeing ships in a kid’s game like this… I thought we got some other ships in previous games, such as Lillie having feelings for the player in SuMo, Hau having a crush on Lillie in SuMo, May/Brendan having feelings for the player in OR/AS, and Shauna maybe having feelings for the player in XY
Don't forget the bw2 side quest where you basically start going out with one of two celebrities depending on your gender by picking up their lost crosstransever
I mean, the most openly deliberate one are Palina and Iscan in PLA going against their respective clans by being secret lovers. I know it's not shipping if it's canon.
@@kopfloserbeginn3879 OH YEAH, I forgot about that one
In my perspective every time Sakura wins a battle against Kieran, she takes a picture with him. She always uses the finger heart emote near Kieran, the dreamy camera filter, and heart frame when taking pictures. Sakura does the same thing every time she wins a battle against Drayton and Arven as well.
In a nutshell:
Kieran: Sakura should be mine! I got her before you two! She's mine!
Drayton: Really Kieran? You caused chaos in the BB League prior to Sakura stepping foot into the academy, and you went ballistic over getting stronger than her! I should be the one for her!
Arven: Excuse me?! I have been with Sakura ever since she started her journey in Paldea! We battled the Titan Pokémon, ate sandwiches, brought Mabosstiff back to full health, and even ventured into Area Zero! It's obvious she will pick me over you two!
Carmine: What in the Arceus is going on with those three guys? My brother is involved in this chaos!
Amarys: It appears that these three boys have a crush on Sakura.
Nemona: En serio?! That's crazy as heck! Even crazier than those nonstop Double Battles in Blueberry Academy!
Penny: Welcome to a world of chaotic romances and love triangles... and nonstop battling.
Crispin: Does this mean I still have a chance with Lacey?
Lacey: *crosses her arms in an X* Wow Crispin, that's not right! Oh regarding Sakura, perhaps those three boys find her cute! The only difference is that I don't seem interested in romance, but Sakura does even though we both have a lot of male admirers.
Sakura: Um, guys? You're taking this way over the line...
Kieran: So Sakura, which one of the three of us you love the most? Will it be me, Drayton, or Arven? It has to be me, Sakura!
Drayton: You better choose me Sakura! If you want to, it's fine with me.
Arven: Come on Sakura, it better be me! I would be upset if our time spent together journeying across Paldea alongside Penny and Nemona would be for nothing!
Sakura: *nervous blushing*
It's a chaotic love diamond (or any other 4-sided shape you can think of) between Sakura, Kieran, Drayton, and Arven.
Choices of Sakura's potential boyfriend(s):
A: Kieran
B: Drayton
C: Arven
D: All three of them.
Who do you think will be the guy to win Sakura's heart? In my opinion it's all three.