@@ark8tct It's so funny how the timing of different people's upgrade paths changes perspective/strategy - I was looking at used 5d3's and 4's for a while when I was considering what to do after the T7i. I think if I had more lenses at the time and was a bit further along I would have stayed DSLR for my primary and backup. But I was early enough that I figured if I was going to stay Canon I might as well make the switch early. And then the R6 is still very much a "grow into" camera for me after the RP. The 100mm and 50mm 1.4 worked really well on the adapter and I don't hear too many complaints about the adapter use. I don't love that the 100mm ends up being so long if I take it on a hike, but that's the only downside for me. I think if you have a need, and can get some discounts on people offloading their EF stuff, that's not a bad strategy for the future because it will still work well and you'll avoid the RF premiums. One day the RF stuff might actually be sufficiently stocked, and one day after that everything may drop $100, $200 🤞😅 That could be the time to get in for ya. Weather sealing is THE feature I wish wasn't so locked in with the L's haha. I like being able to get that gasket at around the $600/$700 price point with lenses like the RF Samyang/Rokinon 14 and 85... but I don't think we'll see weather sealing on native Canon RF around that point for a long time
I recently bought the RP + 24-105 f4L and I love it! I chose this combo because my move from the Rebel line to full frame was motivated by achieving professional quality images and nice bokeh and this combo delivers. The full frame sensor paired with f4 is often as shallow of a DoF as I need and focusing is also very fast and accurate. The constant aperture is a dream and I would not trade it for the non L version for it allows for pro looking portraits on the long end!
Yeah shelving one might not be a bad option given the preferences you've described. Make sure you have some fresh batteries too 😅 I'm sure they'll be selling the 1DXiii for awhile since that's so new, but that might be overkill and prohibitively expensive for most.
I have being using the RF 24-105 not L for around a year and my conclusion its if you focus on still photography like landscapes with lens its a great lens because it will give you almost the same results for much cheaper, if you do low light, wild, or other time of photography where not too much light is getting to the sensor then you have to go with the L
@@wallyflicksif you need a L lens for a r50, you have some other problems. Getting a Full-Frame like a R8 or R6 will be so much more beneficial for low light and quality than any lens
@@TheCrew-wz8gv I have r50 and i thinking to get 24-105 f4 or going with primes like 16mm f2.8 35f1.8 50 f1.8 and one between 85mm or 100mm .. i feel better with primes but going outside with an prime i dont feel comfortable.. i like to shoot portrets and sports ( my son playing soccer) what do you suggest?
I had the honor to shoot my best friends wedding and I am very glad that I chose the 4L over the regular 24-105. The continuous f4 Aperture made it so much easier to shoot completely in manual, not worrying about varying aperture. Together with a charming old 35 f2 and a Viltrox 85 1.8 I had a great wedding shoot!
That's awesome to hear, and a great point about the continuous F4. I don't shoot a ton of video with mine, and haven't shot a wedding other than candids once, but would definitely recommend the L for wedding shooters. Bringing the 85 was smart too. I didn't have my 85 yet for the wedding I was at and should have rented one... was missing something fast in evening for sure.
Did you ever at any point feel like you wished you had F2.8 instead of F4? I want to grow more into wedding photography too but the F2.8 pricetag is so steep for someone trying to get into full frame
@@busansanai well you gave the answer to yourself :) If you do not have the budget, then there is no other option for you except for using only prime lenses or an additional flash. The newer cameras are all capable of shooting at higher ISO, so you can compensate a bit for the missing f Stop. I shot only in an mediocre lighted place and the f4 was most of the time no problem. In the evening and night (outdoor location) I switched to my f2 and f1.8 primes (35 and 85 mm), which worked also good for me. But for the more important moments I loved the zoom Option of the 24-105. Those are my 2 cents but keep in mind, i am only a hobby photographer. For professional use i would get the 2.8 24-70 and 70-200. Or maybe the 28-70 f2.0.
I'm considering these lenses myself, and after watching so many different reviews with different outcomes ("don't ever buy the non-L" to "it doesn't really matter"), it all boils down to one thing: weather sealing. If you're not a studio photographer who only shoots indoor: buy the weather sealed L version. There's no point of having a camera/lens you cannot use because there are a few clouds on the sky.
When I got my RF 24-105 f4L I was deciding between the f4 and kit version. Wish there more more videos like this talking about the differences! I still think the f4 version was worth it for me because sometimes I'm shooting when it rains or drizzling, gives me a bit more piece of mind. Thanks for sharing Dan!
I am an old photographer, who is really just getting into this new world of mirrorless digital and I want to thank you for making this video. I was extremely informative for me. Most of my photography is travel photography with one exception copy photography. Your review was a huge help. I bought the L 24-105 and a 100-500 f4.0/7.1. Your review gave me greater confidence that I made the right choices. Again, thank you.
@@DanYosua This is the first time I have ever owned anything over 200mm. I have been on three safaris and regretted not having anything with a greater photo length. I am going on another safari next summer to see the Great Migration and I really want to make sure I can capture the action, both in photo and video, which is why I went with the 100-500. Plus it will fit in my photo backpack. Again, thank you for the review.
Pretty good wrap-up at the end. I recently purchased the EOS R with the F4 as a kit lens. I do much street photography & if I have to stop & change lenses often the shot is gone. Sometimes even an F2.8 would be useful but who wants all that added weight all day. It's always a compromise. I just have to crank up the ISO sometimes to get the shot. All in all I'm happy with my (compromise) decision.
Thanks, and glad you're liking it! I can imagine for you having that 70-105 all in one lens is even more helpful for street than what I'm typically shooting.
Your video has given me a great idea for travel. I have the EF 24-105 F4 L which I had on my 6D MKI, but found this all a bit heavy for travel where airline hand-luggage weights are an issue. Also at night time on holiday I'd try and stuff the camera into a man-bag so that walking around at night it was hidden until I need to use it. However this combo was difficult due to size and weight. Therefore I purchased the Canon RP which is a much smaller camera, and fits better into the man-bag, but still that lens is a chunk of weight, and, due to airline weight restrictions I've not been able to take my 10-24mm for dark sky photography. So now having seen your video (and personally tested the RF 24-105 STM) I think I can go with the RF 24-105 STM and pair it with the 16mm F2.8 lens you mentioned, and I'll still save about 200g in weight overall and now I get to carry a wide-angle that I've not been able to previously! Great news. Thanks for the information.
The 16 might be a great option for that wide and fast astro, I'm hoping to try it eventually. I just used the RF 28mm pancake in place of my Sigma 28mm on my most recent trip, because as you said, I was trying to cut down on flight weight/size.
I try to keep em dense and the words flowing over the b-roll 🤣 The cinematic b-roll sequence with music alone has it's place but it gets old in every tech UA-cam video imo.
I have the R5 and I had the EF 24-70 mm f/2.8L, this was a heavy beast and often left it at home. I briefly considered the EF 24-70 f/4L which is far smaller. When I got the R5 I realised that Canon did not make the RF 24-70mm f/4L so bought the RF 24-105mm f/4L and I love it.
@@RichieColemanSr EF lenses work as normal with the RF adapter. I just got the vanilla one, it is just a tube, there is no glass. I checked it out before I bought the R5, I had 5 EF lenses and it was vital there were no problems. All it does is create a fake mirror box. I held it next to the 5D mk III and the R5 is narrower but the adapter makes it the exact distance for the EF lens.
In general I agree with you but if you travel to the tropics in the rain season? Don’t you want to catch the lion jumping to the gazelle, when raining cats and dogs out there? Don’t you want to explore the images of base camp in the Everest when it snows? I think that the choice factor is “is this equipment as rough as I am? Can it live with my style of life?”. I think that your presentation is awesome but you must highlight the “L” protection. That’s the great improvement. Sometimes, with family and friends, the picture of our life’s is in a moist place, and someone opt to use his hi-level and protected mobile phone. And your R? camera stills i your bag? Nowadays photographers have a challange: Can we win the challange of super mobile phones? I think we do but we have to use the accurate equipments, not the cheapest.
The wider aperture available throughout the range - the better. I finally got a Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 lens for my APS-C body and I couldn't be happier. No more "I have a great lens but it's dusk or not very bright inside so I can't really get a decent shot with my otherwise very cool gear". I'm also not a fan of having to constantly switch lenses. So when I finally make the move to full-frame, I'm definitely getting the 24-105 F/4 L lens to be my main lens 90% of the time, unless I'm shooting birds/wildlife - then I'll switch to my 150-600.
I’ve got the 24-105mm 4.0 and it’s fantastic for the money. Together with the RF 35mm it’s a good combo. To bad Sigma is not stepping up to make some adorable RF lenses. Gota be a contract thing from Canon.
What a fantastic honest review... I'm currently in the same situation you were in when you made this video. I just sold my 24-240 and now am deciding between 24-105 L or no L.
Thanks, for a channel as tiny as mine, I'm happy it is doing so well! Some of these types of choices are really tough only a few years into photography like me, so hopefully it has been helpful. That camping trip, the shooting, and the work that went into this edit was definitely a highlight in my year of freelancing.
Great comparison, I'm most concern with image qualiy, so now I'll save the money and buy additional 16 mm 2,8 for the complete system I need. I don't shoot in rain or need lots of indoor shoots. The only other competition is the 24-240mm. Please review and compare it, that could be the ultimate travel light combo with the RP. THANKS great vids!
I'm not feeling the 24-105mm much... but for less than half those other L lenses I will get the 16mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm non L-Primes. Already got the 16mm :) I just made the switch to mirrorless shooting RP too :) good review.
Thank ya! Yeah if you like primes and/or don’t mind doing some lens swapping, that’s not a bad way to go to cover a good range anyway. Additionally, you’ll get a good feel for which you use most often and which one you might want to upgrade to an L someday
I'm not sure how all of them stack up against each other on this without some digging... at least in my uses with my kit, I'll use the 35mm if I know I need to get close (or break out the 100mm if needed). The one lens I've tried that I wish could focus a bit closer was the Rokinon 85mm. I remember running into a few instances while testing that where I had to step back unexpectedly.
The quality difference is sometimes more apparent in the lenses where you shoot wide open. The L is obviously brighter, but for people looking for an outdoor travel lens, that strength of the L isn’t as important in the use case. If you love 24-105mm and plan to keep it, it’s a nice upgrade. If you’re more interested in exploring the focal lengths and moving on, no reason to feel like you’re missing out with the STM!
@@DanYosua yeah, that's the point! I usually shot outside sports, so usually have plenty of light and the apperture doesn't matter that much, since I use Shutter priority and apply motion blur, so I'll have a blurred background anyways! Maybe If I start shooting sports inside F4 would be a deal, but my kit lenses have F3.6 at it's widest and yet it looks like a very dark lens, so yet, F4 wouldn't save me that much on my R50.
Hey Dan, how are you doing? I've followed your page for awhile, great to see you are still focusing on RP comparisons. I work a full-time strategic job and haven't touched my RP for a while upgraded from m50. How do you continue to find inspiration? Maybe you can do a photo walk video? Would be great to see your daily routine or camera kit setup as an idea for a video. Thank you, Jae 🇨🇦🍁
Inspiration is a tough one. I tend to get addicted to learning things, getting better, and competing against myself. With photography, even after a few years, I feel like I'm still learning fairly aggressively so I haven't needed to put in much effort to stay inspired recently. Pair that learning with some of these short solo camping trips (or the road trip from this summer) and I've just been having lots of fun so it's easy to keep shooting. With the lens reviews, especially for the rentals like this 24-105 stm, it becomes a challenge for me to stick to that lens for a whole week or two. These little challenges push me forward to explore what I like or how to shoot while constrained/enabled more than usual. If you feel really stuck, maybe plan to shoot in a style that makes you a bit uncomfortable, or dive into some editing technique videos that are new to you. Or maybe envision a big project that you can start chipping away at piecewise around your typical work schedule. I can definitely try some of those video ideas in the future, thanks for the feedback! I've had an especially busy month but have so many ideas in my backlog - for my next two vids I'm hoping to cover some sports shooting I did recently and wrap up my Q3 freelance review. The more I can grow the channel, the more time I can spend on it and experiment with different video styles. So I'll try to talk about that a bit in the Q3 video.
I didn't make a choice, only the f4 existed when I bought it, But, I would buy the f4 given the choice, it's a lovely lens to use an is my go to lens for most occasions.
Great video. You raise some excellent points. I currently have older Nikon and Canon APS-C setups with 2 bodies each and a equal amount of lens. I have been shotting DX going back to the release of the Canon 20D. I still have numerous APS-C DSLR's . The only camera shop you can see cameras at these days around me is Best Buys. We were recently in Maul and while my older DSLR's did great in RAW, it was challenging when we went to evening functions, shows and a Luau. I went in to see the 90D, but I after not getting a new camera in 5 years, I would really like to experience Full Format and Mirrorless. I am an amateur photographer since the 70's and do mostly people and scenery photos. I also enjoy shooting RAW and putting the RAW images through Lightroom and Photoshop. There are numerous options. I am leaning towards the Canon RP or R6. Also I have not ruled out Nikon Z5 or Z6. The more I read the more confusing it gets. I love the feel of the Canon R6 in my hands. I don't love the price. I am really more into taking still photos as opposed to videos. So I am not concerned about 4K cropping. My major concerns about the RP is no protection of the sensor, cheaper build quality and potential dynamic range issues. So my 3 big questions that I can’t really answer 1) would the R6 be overkill. 2) Would the IQ be noticeably better on the R6? 3) Would I be better off getting the L glass with the RP vs the kits glass on the R6? Would welcome and appreciate feedback for from you since you seem very accomplished. Thanks
Thanks for watching and sharing all that info! There are lots of options out there and it gets overwhelming fast, for sure. I can't speak much for the Nikons, I know the least about them right now. The R6 is considerably more expensive than the RP and for a good reason - there's a lot more functionality. Going from the RP to the R6, for me, was incredible. But I feel like I'm also taking advantage of all the big differences frequently in my shooting. I wanted two cards for paid work, wanted weather sealing, wanted very sticky AF for 4k video with little crop for these videos, wanted faster stills rate for dabbling in sports, wanted a bigger battery, and wanted the scroll wheel. I do wish it had no record limit. I could go for a few more megapixels occasionally. And I wish there was 4k 120 without going up to the R5. Otherwise, pretty perfect camera for me. And I loved the EVF, size, and low light bump of the RP coming from my T7i at the time. Stills shooting of people and scenery is kind of that sweet spot where the weaknesses of the RP aren't put on display. So I'm tempted to say: 1) Not overkill, but if you don't plan on using the fast stills rate or 4k video, you'll be paying for lots of differences in the two bodies that you don't use. The RP is a lot smaller feeling so if you like the R6 in the hands, want the bigger battery, and plan to keep it years and years then maybe go for it. Otherwise, refurb RP is $899 freeing up LOTS for L glass. 2) At least a small low light performance bump and you're going to nail focus on the eye more often for fast moving subjects. 3) This is tougher to answer. You probably have a stronger sense of the focal lengths you prefer than me given how long you've been shooting. I like the f4 L's a lot, but you probably want some of the faster lenses for that lowlight evening scenario. The cheaper 35, 50, and 85 are all pretty good. Perhaps not fabulous, but very solid and affordable by RF standards. The 85Ls are spectacular, but massive and so expensive. I haven't tried the 50L yet, the 35L doesn't exist until late 2022? and the 24-70/28-70 also seem solid, but I haven't tried those either. Only other things I would say, it's a little bit of awkward time to grab an RP or R without knowing what will happen to their ii's. Not sure if both with get a refresh or when, but if you want the latest and greatest when you switch you should wait for those, if you can deal with whatever supply chain issues inevitably plague their initial deliveries. Also, if you would consider the crop, R7 seems pretty interesting. But I haven't watched all the first impression videos yet on that myself 😃
@@DanYosua thanks so much for your reply. I have quite a few APS-C cameras so next one will be full frame. I am in high tech for many years. There is always a newer and better version coming out. My last new camera was about 7-8 years ago so am ready. Thanks again
If you're truly stuck and don't have strong feelings on the f4 either because you don't need it or aren't sure, and you don't have strong feelings on weather sealing... there's a Canon refurb of the STM right now for $249. Even if you want to switch later, you could use that for the next 6 months/year just to affordably learn more about your preferences. And it's smaller.
How do you not have more subs??! found your channel today and I love your content. Im caught between buying the 24-105 f4 or the 85mm macro + the new 100+400mm. (already have the non f4 version). Your content helps a lot
If you don't need much on the wide end of things, a fast 85 and the 100-400 will have you all set on the long end haha. And thanks for the comment - you can find this similar sentiment on channels of all sizes... as small as 50 subs and on channels with tens of thousands that might feel like they should have hundreds of thousands. I might actually spend some time in my Q3 freelance update video answering this the long way, but the short answer is that UA-cam gave you something super fitting for you, I'm thankful it was from my channel 🙌,, but a wider Canon RF audience probably might not feel that my videos are quite as helpful or useful yet. Hopefully will pick up some broader appeal as I learn to make better ones 🤞
It probably depends too on whether you find things by search or recommendations. For example the video I recently made on the Moment Cinebloom filters... I don't think UA-cam will ever recommend that in a meaningful way, it's way too short of a video. But it's doing really well in search (at least for my channel) because the click through rate is pretty high. So you can end up finding very different content depending on how you find it. Thankfully with camera gear there is a pretty vibrant used market so videos on older stuff will still get surfaced a little, though not nearly as much as when you catch something new on embargo days.
Great video. I also had the T7i and learned a lot with that camera, but I also made the step from it to the R6. I've got nice telephoto lenses with the RF70-200 and RF100-500 that are great for nature photography as well as some around town, but I don't have that wide angle to short zoom yet. Like you, I'll probably go with the 24-105 F4 due to the weather sealing and slightly better image quality, as I'm occasionally out while it's raining, and also am in some pretty sandy areas around the Gulf Coast.
@@DanYosua I love it. It stays on the camera more than the others when I’m out shooting. The clarity and sharpness at 500mm are very good, even when using a 1.4x extender.
I just picked up the non L version directly from Canon. Refurbished with the lens hood was less than $300. I think I’ll be satisfied paired with my new R50.
I've been shooting 80D since 2016 as a hobbyist in wildlife and nature photog, and casual photographer for friends' events. I cannot count how many times I had to crank up my ISO just to keep up to the dim lights and very early night hours of Canada during the winter. For me, spend it once and keep it long is gonna be a thing, so the L is the choice. Also, isn't L more weather-resistant?
Some people don't know or aren't sure - If you think this is a 5-10 year lens and care about weather sealing at least sometimes, absolutely go with the L. That's kind of how I looked at it personally (though I wasn't as sure at the time I'd love F4 over F2.8 in the middle range). If you haven't already upgraded, you'll probably notice a pretty big difference in low light performance. Jumping from my T7i to my RP at the time (I got this 24-105L as a kit) you shoot noticeably cleaner at ISO 6400.
I have r50 and I'm thinking to get 24-105 f4 or going with primes like 16mm f2.8 35f1.8 50 f1.8 and one between 85mm or 100mm .. i feel better with primes but going outside with those make me feel not to much comfortable.. i like to shoot portrets and sports ( my son playing soccer) what do you suggest?
What's the longest focal length you have for sports now? I haven't used it, but I might even consider the 24-240mm in your shoes, and pair that with your favorite portrait prime.
@icynicey2853 in that case, maybe 105mm is plenty to play with for now. On bigger outdoor fields that could start to feel fairly wide still, depending on the sport.
How does the RF 24-105mm STM stack up against the EF 24-105mm adapted to a Canon mirrorless body. I recently purchased the Canon R6 Mark II and already own the EF 24-105 f3.5-5-6 STM lens. I’ve adapted this lens onto my R62 and the STM focus is fast to lock on. It’s better on my R62 than my 90D and it wasn’t lacking. I did purchase the RF 50mm and it didn’t disappoint! It’s an amazing RF lens and I’m probably going to purchase another RF prime? Great videos, thanks for all the information.
I’m not positive as I’ve never used the EF version, but if it were me I’d probably hang onto the EF unless it was bulky to the point where I noticed I was avoiding packing it. Like you said, I’ve had great autofocus results with everything I’ve tried adapting over the years.
@@DanYosua Thanks - I actually have the EF f/4 (L) MKI and the EF STM. I wasn’t sure if I needed to save up big for the RF STM or RF (L). This was the only EF STM canon made so I’m keeping it. I like using it on my 90D & C100 MKII for video. Seems like both lenses will be ok on my R62. I just need to start shooting photos & footage. Thank again
I'd be tempted to stay smaller and balanced, would go with the STM, and then would look to add in a small, faster prime to compliment it if you don't have one already.
They're pretty good compliments to the zooms. I think the 50mm is a particularly good pickup now that it's $159. I'm still hoping for some options that are weather sealed and halfway between the L's in size/price, but that is probably going to take some time.
after thousands of shots, i found myself shooting f4 or higher with 35mm… (i shoot f2.8 or below only with my gf because girls love bokeh for gram… now im thinking getting f4 zooms for personal shots….
Hello Dan, I am new to photography and I have a canon r50 which is my first camera. I have the kit lens that comes with it that is 18-45 4.5 - 6.3. I want to upgrade to a better lens. I was thinking about 24-105 4-7.1 as I mainly shoot stills in daylight and landscapes. Could you please advise should I go for 24-105 4-7.1 or should I save and go for f4 L version (which would be expensive for me) or should I get 50mm 1.8. I am a bit confused, could you please help. Thanks.
Will you plan to keep the 18-45? If you plan to sell that lens, one of the things I would be considerate of is whether or not you'll miss the 18mm end of the range. The F4 may feel fairly front heavy on the r50 so especially if it's a stretch, I would probably go with the STM version. One of the small fast primes would be a good addition to use in low light and separate subjects from backgrounds... but if you aren't sure yet which focal lengths are your favorite, and you mostly shoot landscapes, you can always add that later.
Ultimately you're going to be best to answer the order, so if it's not immediately clear if you'd prefer the wide aperture of the 50mm over the length of the 24-105, no need to rush into either. Both are going to open up some new and different shooting opportunities. If you're liking the length the 45mm on your current lens, 50mm may be a good first choice to play with wide apertures around that same length in a prime lens.
I’ve been doing photography for 5 years now and I primarily shoot with prime lenses. I recently upgraded to an R6 and normally rent a zoom lens for weddings just to use for the ceremonies and then switch to my primes for everything else. This may be my last year doing weddings so figured I’d make the investment for the RF 24-105 STM but now I’m second guessing if I should’ve gotten the L. I would only use the zoom lens for the ceremonies and return to my primes for portraits. And honestly can probably switch to a prime right after bride walks down the aisle. What are your thoughts? Stick to the STM or will I be disappointed because I’m used to shooting at lower apertures?
First, I've only shot at one wedding, casually as a friend, so no expert here. And that was before I picked up my Rokinon 85 that I would have wanted. I used my 70-200 F4. That was ok during the day, way too dark at night without flash. If you already have the STM, I would be tempted to give it a try depending on your lighting. If it were me, I'd probably opt for the constant aperture and then would plan to resell if you don't plan to use it after your wedding work longterm. If you're still feeling really stuck in the choice I would maybe try renting.
I have used the RF 24-105 f4L intensively since 4 month now as my travel lens. It's imho worth the extra money for that constant f4: at 105mm and f4 it's actually a nice portrait lens with decent background blur and very nice bokeh, something the STM version, with it's max aperture of f7.1 at 105mm, can't achieve. So the L version should be a great and very flexible lens for outdoor wedding receptions, while indoors i'd rather switch to a fast prime (unless I'd shoot with flash).
Bro it’s so hard to choose I want to go cheap but I normally shoot videos and pictures like at clubs but I have a light so idk if I need the L version or street photography so idk
I would probably lean F4 in this case, but if you have a light, try finding a used or refurb STM to give it a go. I usually recommend renting for those on the fence, but since both of these are kit lenses that people often sell, if you think you might get away with the STM it's probably better to just pick it up do what you can with it. If it's not working, resell and jump to the F4, and you can think of the STM as a cheap, long-term rental.
I recently bought my first camera that it the Canon EOS R6 and bought 2 lenses 24-105 f4 STM ans 50mm f2.8 STM. I need to start to expierence them but I would like buying the 24-70mm f2.8 l lens in the near future but I need to save money for it. I hope what I bought is decent start.
Rest assured, the two lens you have are a great start, and can cover many different scenarios. If you upgrade, depending on your exact needs, the 24-70 might be something that you could leave on your camera the entire time without needing to change lenses much. You might keep the 50mm for really low light conditions/portraits. The 24-105 might be something you keep if you find you really like the extra reach between 70-105 or occasionally want a lighter lens than the 24-70 for some outings. Otherwise, you may consider selling that 24-105 when you upgrade. If it were me, make sure to shoot with the two you have while you save. Then, by the time you have the money saved, you'll have a good idea whether you still want the 24-70, want something a bit different, or don't need anything new at all.
@@DanYosua sincere thank for your great explenation. The genre I would like to dive in with photography are nature, potrait and concerts. I really don't need a big zoom lens but a lens with a great appeture. I hope these are okay for now but first I want to buy a great body and learn with cheaper lenses and expand from them on. 😁 life is difficult when you need to choose. I didn't want the RP because of the shutter speed so I decided this one. My goal was a full frame mirrorless camera, maybe too overwhelmed as a starter. I know my wishlist and mostly I'm kinda stick to that.
Of course, have fun learning and exploring! The R6 is a great value hybrid, particularly on the photo side and now at a great price. In my experience over the last two years with it, the biggest shortcomings are on the video side for projects of longer length or more professional style. And even those won't be enough to truly stand in the way of creating for most photo-first shooters. I found the RP was a great start, and still very solid for those looking to get into Canon's full frame line really affordably. But you're right, for those looking to own the camera for a few years and grow with it, I try to recommend people consider saving a bit more and bumping up to the R8/R6 to get the stickier autofocus and expanded feature set.
My typical buying behavior with tech and camera gear is to try to buy the newest/best you can comfortably afford at the time and take good care of it for this reason. Sometimes it's tough with lenses though, particularly with Canon's lineups in RF at the moment. There are some big gaps.
When I started learning photography, someone gave me this tip and I always follow it, I buy L lenses, enjoy them and when I want to replace them, I sold them at 65% of it’s original price and add money to buy my new lens, I don’t care about the bodies , there is always someone selling a good bodies somewhere. Thanks for the reply.
Great video. It really boils down to how you use your camera right? I think if you would be using the lens outside for the majority of the time then have lights for indoor work then the cheaper one would be of so much value as compared to the f4 constant aperture. (I know separation is such a big deal but in the meantime you can figure out how to separate in other ways) Addition to that if you are just starting out and still learning and experimenting then starting with the variable aperture really makes sense. Upgrading later on to a 24-70 f2.8 then primes would seem like a better progression for me.
@@DanYosua would even go for a Sigma 35mm f/1.4 for that matter. Nowadays with 4k shooting is starting to get ubiquitous. So glad cropping in is an acceptable thing 😉
would you shoot action sports with a constant f4 or would you only do it with lower aperture? would you shoot action sports with a prime sense, if so which one?
I have shot some ice hockey, and field hockey on sunny days with the constant f4 of the 70-200. You'll want more light indoors but I don't like to let that stop me from trying. The STM version will struggle inside for sure. If action sports is your main use case, I might look at faster lenses. And unless you're close up, longer lenses as well. If it's more occasional, close-up work, and the 24-105 works best for you in all the other use cases, you can give it a try. My 85mm is my longest prime and the AF can't quite keep up with action in burst shooting. I can get some hits, but not the great continuous tracking of my 24-105 and 70-200. Based on what I've seen, the 135mm is a dream prime for this, but obviously much more expensive.
Don't forget that the inexpensive 100-400 has the USM motor and is spectacular at capturing fast action. F8 at the long end but a great lens and great companion to the 24-105.
I didn't particularly notice, but that's not saying a ton, as I'm not usually paying as close attention. I almost always shoot in awb and tweak later. The one lens I do notice that's consistently warm of mine is the Samyang 85. But nothing jumped out here to me.
don't have a full frame camera i have a crop sensor camera the canon 80d i guess when the prices goes down I'll buy me a full frame camera but for right now i only have the 80d and i want a good lens that can do everything with. I want a few pointers. I want to know how good this lens is and would it fits my canon 80d
Both of these lenses are for the newer, mirrorless RF mount so they won't work with the 80d. The good news is, if you upgrade to a full frame mirrorless camera when you do, your EF lenses can work adapted on your new RF body.
The red one? It's a Moment Cinebloom, a diffusion filter. They make a few different strengths. I have video comparing the 10% and 20%, but just got a 5% on discount recently as well.
Shame on you for drinking McDonald’s coffee lol jk, we all do from time to time. Loved the title of this video and wish there was a channel like yours about the Fuji world
Hello! Thanks for the very interesting info. I wanted to ask you if for landscape this lens on canon r5 using it with focal lengths from 40 to 85 mm has a good yield in sharpness with aperture from f8 to f11? I'm going to buy it because I wanted a versatile lens that works me around the focal lengths I mentioned above. Thank you
Not a super helpful answer, I know, but I'm gonna hold off on confidently speculating on the nuances in how these two lenses compare at those specific ranges for the R5. I've never used a higher megapixel body like the R5 and no longer have the STM version on hand. I would think when pixel peeping you may notice a bigger difference than I have here. And maybe more on the 24 end of things? But in 40-85 and f8-11... probably still fairly similar in the center. I would think most people opt for the L with the R5
$220 is a steal. I disagree on "rubbish", but definitely not for everyone. For someone who won't miss the light, doesn't want a prime, and doesn't have $1000+ for L zooms.... this lens starts to look more fitting than those 3 options 😉There's a refurb for $159 right now, would be the best way to snag one in my opinion nowadays
@@DanYosua i mean for video, when u must use auto iso in Av mode to fast zoom in and expo change a little darker or brighter. when shooting with rf L zoom I use M mode and haven't any issues.
The R7 is really, really intriguing. You're gonna get an incredible jump in AF performance and all sorts of other features. It's relatively expensive coming from 550d, but I think it's priced competitively given what it is. Would be interested in your initial thoughts if you end up picking one up! I hope to use one here eventually.
I'm looking to buy my first camera. I think I'll be going for the Canon EOS R6 but I'm not completely sure which lens to buy with it. I will be using it for both photography and videography, so I think the 24-105mm lens will be useful. The L lens over here is about 1000 euros more expensive than the STM version. Is this worth it, or will I be better off buying the cheaper version and expanding my kit with other lenses in the future?
If you don’t have any other lenses, it might be worth looking into something like the 35mm macro, and you could pair that with the STM. That way you can save some money overall while still getting to experience a fast f/1.8. And then if you find you really want the constant f4 you could upgrade.
I figure for a lot of the lenses I've tried there is probably some difference in the higher MP bodies. I have a bit of blind spot there in terms of real world experience/testing for sure. At the same time, for socials, it's probably still pretty negligible most of the time. I typically export with long edges of 2025 px in LR for IG or the shots in these videos. Seems to be a good size for to balance quality and storage. If I print, or for images that I spend a lot longer on, I will go back and export larger. For paid shooting, usually a folder for each. With the 70-200, and now as I've been using the 100-400 for several months, I do understand the desire for some more cropping real estate. Perhaps an R5ii or R5iii some day!
I very much would like to test out some other manufacturers, but short of finding some people nearby to borrow from, will have to grow a bit more before renting some of that stuff 😅
@@prince2thethrone I end up shooting a lot vertically, then crop 4:5 for insta. I would say I usually keep around 75%+ of any given frame that way. Unless I'm taking a vertical crop out of something shot landscape. For Instagram I usually export 1080_1350 unless I'm being lazy. For these videos I try to export 1620_2025 for the vertical shots so that I can drag it right onto the 4k timeline and they are the appropriate height without needing to then scale it in Premiere.
Sort of. I got the samyang/rokinon 85mm (and had the 14mm) before they were shut down. Apparently Canon will will now selectively review and allow certain lenses. But in a realistic sense, third party is still not much of an option on RF and it won't be, to the degree most would like to see it, for a long time.
How DID or WILL YOU decide between these two??
@@ark8tct It's so funny how the timing of different people's upgrade paths changes perspective/strategy - I was looking at used 5d3's and 4's for a while when I was considering what to do after the T7i. I think if I had more lenses at the time and was a bit further along I would have stayed DSLR for my primary and backup. But I was early enough that I figured if I was going to stay Canon I might as well make the switch early. And then the R6 is still very much a "grow into" camera for me after the RP. The 100mm and 50mm 1.4 worked really well on the adapter and I don't hear too many complaints about the adapter use. I don't love that the 100mm ends up being so long if I take it on a hike, but that's the only downside for me. I think if you have a need, and can get some discounts on people offloading their EF stuff, that's not a bad strategy for the future because it will still work well and you'll avoid the RF premiums. One day the RF stuff might actually be sufficiently stocked, and one day after that everything may drop $100, $200 🤞😅 That could be the time to get in for ya. Weather sealing is THE feature I wish wasn't so locked in with the L's haha. I like being able to get that gasket at around the $600/$700 price point with lenses like the RF Samyang/Rokinon 14 and 85... but I don't think we'll see weather sealing on native Canon RF around that point for a long time
I recently bought the RP + 24-105 f4L and I love it! I chose this combo because my move from the Rebel line to full frame was motivated by achieving professional quality images and nice bokeh and this combo delivers. The full frame sensor paired with f4 is often as shallow of a DoF as I need and focusing is also very fast and accurate. The constant aperture is a dream and I would not trade it for the non L version for it allows for pro looking portraits on the long end!
Yeah shelving one might not be a bad option given the preferences you've described. Make sure you have some fresh batteries too 😅 I'm sure they'll be selling the 1DXiii for awhile since that's so new, but that might be overkill and prohibitively expensive for most.
Those astro shots were so nice that I doubled tapped to like, forgetting that I'm not on instagram so it rewinded and I got to see them again😂
🤣🤣 I was literally just at that same spot again this weekend for the new moon. Unfortunately it was pretty hazy, and I didn't nail focus anyway 💀
The F4 of course. It is decent with low light. Nowadays cameras has very good low light performance even at 12800 iso.
I have being using the RF 24-105 not L for around a year and my conclusion its if you focus on still photography like landscapes with lens its a great lens because it will give you almost the same results for much cheaper, if you do low light, wild, or other time of photography where not too much light is getting to the sensor then you have to go with the L
Will the non L be good with the r50?
@@wallyflicksif you need a L lens for a r50, you have some other problems. Getting a Full-Frame like a R8 or R6 will be so much more beneficial for low light and quality than any lens
@@TheCrew-wz8gv I have r50 and i thinking to get 24-105 f4 or going with primes like 16mm f2.8 35f1.8 50 f1.8 and one between 85mm or 100mm .. i feel better with primes but going outside with an prime i dont feel comfortable.. i like to shoot portrets and sports ( my son playing soccer) what do you suggest?
I had the honor to shoot my best friends wedding and I am very glad that I chose the 4L over the regular 24-105. The continuous f4 Aperture made it so much easier to shoot completely in manual, not worrying about varying aperture. Together with a charming old 35 f2 and a Viltrox 85 1.8 I had a great wedding shoot!
That's awesome to hear, and a great point about the continuous F4. I don't shoot a ton of video with mine, and haven't shot a wedding other than candids once, but would definitely recommend the L for wedding shooters. Bringing the 85 was smart too. I didn't have my 85 yet for the wedding I was at and should have rented one... was missing something fast in evening for sure.
Did you ever at any point feel like you wished you had F2.8 instead of F4? I want to grow more into wedding photography too but the F2.8 pricetag is so steep for someone trying to get into full frame
@@busansanai well you gave the answer to yourself :) If you do not have the budget, then there is no other option for you except for using only prime lenses or an additional flash.
The newer cameras are all capable of shooting at higher ISO, so you can compensate a bit for the missing f Stop.
I shot only in an mediocre lighted place and the f4 was most of the time no problem. In the evening and night (outdoor location) I switched to my f2 and f1.8 primes (35 and 85 mm), which worked also good for me.
But for the more important moments I loved the zoom Option of the 24-105.
Those are my 2 cents but keep in mind, i am only a hobby photographer.
For professional use i would get the 2.8 24-70 and 70-200. Or maybe the 28-70 f2.0.
I'm considering these lenses myself, and after watching so many different reviews with different outcomes ("don't ever buy the non-L" to "it doesn't really matter"), it all boils down to one thing: weather sealing. If you're not a studio photographer who only shoots indoor: buy the weather sealed L version. There's no point of having a camera/lens you cannot use because there are a few clouds on the sky.
I mean depends on the photographer you are. I doubt wedding photographers will be out in the rain with their subjecta
When I got my RF 24-105 f4L I was deciding between the f4 and kit version. Wish there more more videos like this talking about the differences! I still think the f4 version was worth it for me because sometimes I'm shooting when it rains or drizzling, gives me a bit more piece of mind. Thanks for sharing Dan!
Agreed, I get nervous about that drizzle too!
I am an old photographer, who is really just getting into this new world of mirrorless digital and I want to thank you for making this video. I was extremely informative for me. Most of my photography is travel photography with one exception copy photography. Your review was a huge help. I bought the L 24-105 and a 100-500 f4.0/7.1. Your review gave me greater confidence that I made the right choices. Again, thank you.
Of course, glad it helped! I haven't used the 100-500 yet but I'm hoping to use that on a trip sometime in the future as well.
@@DanYosua This is the first time I have ever owned anything over 200mm. I have been on three safaris and regretted not having anything with a greater photo length. I am going on another safari next summer to see the Great Migration and I really want to make sure I can capture the action, both in photo and video, which is why I went with the 100-500. Plus it will fit in my photo backpack. Again, thank you for the review.
@@armeddiver That sounds awesome! I've never done anything like that, but 100-500 is the best distance/quality/lightweight combo
Pretty good wrap-up at the end. I recently purchased the EOS R with the F4 as a kit lens. I do much street photography & if I have to stop & change lenses often the shot is gone. Sometimes even an F2.8 would be useful but who wants all that added weight all day. It's always a compromise. I just have to crank up the ISO sometimes to get the shot. All in all I'm happy with my (compromise) decision.
Thanks, and glad you're liking it! I can imagine for you having that 70-105 all in one lens is even more helpful for street than what I'm typically shooting.
Your video has given me a great idea for travel. I have the EF 24-105 F4 L which I had on my 6D MKI, but found this all a bit heavy for travel where airline hand-luggage weights are an issue. Also at night time on holiday I'd try and stuff the camera into a man-bag so that walking around at night it was hidden until I need to use it. However this combo was difficult due to size and weight. Therefore I purchased the Canon RP which is a much smaller camera, and fits better into the man-bag, but still that lens is a chunk of weight, and, due to airline weight restrictions I've not been able to take my 10-24mm for dark sky photography. So now having seen your video (and personally tested the RF 24-105 STM) I think I can go with the RF 24-105 STM and pair it with the 16mm F2.8 lens you mentioned, and I'll still save about 200g in weight overall and now I get to carry a wide-angle that I've not been able to previously! Great news. Thanks for the information.
The 16 might be a great option for that wide and fast astro, I'm hoping to try it eventually. I just used the RF 28mm pancake in place of my Sigma 28mm on my most recent trip, because as you said, I was trying to cut down on flight weight/size.
This guy is great he skips all the BS and gets straight to the point.
I try to keep em dense and the words flowing over the b-roll 🤣 The cinematic b-roll sequence with music alone has it's place but it gets old in every tech UA-cam video imo.
@@DanYosua agreed.
I have the R5 and I had the EF 24-70 mm f/2.8L, this was a heavy beast and often left it at home. I briefly considered the EF 24-70 f/4L which is far smaller. When I got the R5 I realised that Canon did not make the RF 24-70mm f/4L so bought the RF 24-105mm f/4L and I love it.
I wonder if they'll make an RF 24-70 F4 anytime soon...
How did the EF lenses work on your R5? Were the photos good?
@@RichieColemanSr EF lenses work as normal with the RF adapter. I just got the vanilla one, it is just a tube, there is no glass. I checked it out before I bought the R5, I had 5 EF lenses and it was vital there were no problems. All it does is create a fake mirror box. I held it next to the 5D mk III and the R5 is narrower but the adapter makes it the exact distance for the EF lens.
@Daryl Cheshire Thanks for responding. So the EF lenses worked ok in low light etc?
@@RichieColemanSr They work just the same.
In general I agree with you but if you travel to the tropics in the rain season? Don’t you want to catch the lion jumping to the gazelle, when raining cats and dogs out there? Don’t you want to explore the images of base camp in the Everest when it snows? I think that the choice factor is “is this equipment as rough as I am? Can it live with my style of life?”. I think that your presentation is awesome but you must highlight the “L” protection. That’s the great improvement. Sometimes, with family and friends, the picture of our life’s is in a moist place, and someone opt to use his hi-level and protected mobile phone. And your R? camera stills i your bag? Nowadays photographers have a challange: Can we win the challange of super mobile phones? I think we do but we have to use the accurate equipments, not the cheapest.
The wider aperture available throughout the range - the better. I finally got a Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 lens for my APS-C body and I couldn't be happier. No more "I have a great lens but it's dusk or not very bright inside so I can't really get a decent shot with my otherwise very cool gear". I'm also not a fan of having to constantly switch lenses. So when I finally make the move to full-frame, I'm definitely getting the 24-105 F/4 L lens to be my main lens 90% of the time, unless I'm shooting birds/wildlife - then I'll switch to my 150-600.
That'll be pretty great coverage between just those two. Toss in one of the smaller, faster primes and you're all set!
I’ve got the 24-105mm 4.0 and it’s fantastic for the money. Together with the RF 35mm it’s a good combo. To bad Sigma is not stepping up to make some adorable RF lenses. Gota be a contract thing from Canon.
These two together is a pretty deadly combo!
What a fantastic honest review... I'm currently in the same situation you were in when you made this video. I just sold my 24-240 and now am deciding between 24-105 L or no L.
Oooo, I still have yet to try that lens as an all-in-one on a trip. Were you finding that you weren't using the long end too much?
This video should have a great amount more likes. The time and effort is obvious.
Thanks, for a channel as tiny as mine, I'm happy it is doing so well! Some of these types of choices are really tough only a few years into photography like me, so hopefully it has been helpful. That camping trip, the shooting, and the work that went into this edit was definitely a highlight in my year of freelancing.
Great comparison, I'm most concern with image qualiy, so now I'll save the money and buy additional 16 mm 2,8 for the complete system I need. I don't shoot in rain or need lots of indoor shoots. The only other competition is the 24-240mm. Please review and compare it, that could be the ultimate travel light combo with the RP. THANKS great vids!
I’ve got both of those on my list!!
Bravo! I love the way you explain
The non L looks to be about $400. I got the 24-105 used for $420 in excellent condition. Does good work.
Awesome deal!
I'm not feeling the 24-105mm much... but for less than half those other L lenses I will get the 16mm, 35mm, 50mm and 85mm non L-Primes. Already got the 16mm :) I just made the switch to mirrorless shooting RP too :) good review.
Thank ya! Yeah if you like primes and/or don’t mind doing some lens swapping, that’s not a bad way to go to cover a good range anyway. Additionally, you’ll get a good feel for which you use most often and which one you might want to upgrade to an L someday
Very informative comparison, Dan. One key advantage of the STM lens is its close focusing ability in addition to its light weight.
Good call, I definitely should have has a few sample shots to show that briefly.
I'm not sure how all of them stack up against each other on this without some digging... at least in my uses with my kit, I'll use the 35mm if I know I need to get close (or break out the 100mm if needed). The one lens I've tried that I wish could focus a bit closer was the Rokinon 85mm. I remember running into a few instances while testing that where I had to step back unexpectedly.
Thanks for your review! Was looking for a image quality comparison, good to know that L lenses aren't that different
The quality difference is sometimes more apparent in the lenses where you shoot wide open. The L is obviously brighter, but for people looking for an outdoor travel lens, that strength of the L isn’t as important in the use case. If you love 24-105mm and plan to keep it, it’s a nice upgrade. If you’re more interested in exploring the focal lengths and moving on, no reason to feel like you’re missing out with the STM!
@@DanYosua yeah, that's the point! I usually shot outside sports, so usually have plenty of light and the apperture doesn't matter that much, since I use Shutter priority and apply motion blur, so I'll have a blurred background anyways!
Maybe If I start shooting sports inside F4 would be a deal, but my kit lenses have F3.6 at it's widest and yet it looks like a very dark lens, so yet, F4 wouldn't save me that much on my R50.
Hey Dan, how are you doing? I've followed your page for awhile, great to see you are still focusing on RP comparisons. I work a full-time strategic job and haven't touched my RP for a while upgraded from m50.
How do you continue to find inspiration? Maybe you can do a photo walk video?
Would be great to see your daily routine or camera kit setup as an idea for a video.
Thank you, Jae 🇨🇦🍁
Inspiration is a tough one. I tend to get addicted to learning things, getting better, and competing against myself. With photography, even after a few years, I feel like I'm still learning fairly aggressively so I haven't needed to put in much effort to stay inspired recently. Pair that learning with some of these short solo camping trips (or the road trip from this summer) and I've just been having lots of fun so it's easy to keep shooting. With the lens reviews, especially for the rentals like this 24-105 stm, it becomes a challenge for me to stick to that lens for a whole week or two. These little challenges push me forward to explore what I like or how to shoot while constrained/enabled more than usual. If you feel really stuck, maybe plan to shoot in a style that makes you a bit uncomfortable, or dive into some editing technique videos that are new to you. Or maybe envision a big project that you can start chipping away at piecewise around your typical work schedule.
I can definitely try some of those video ideas in the future, thanks for the feedback! I've had an especially busy month but have so many ideas in my backlog - for my next two vids I'm hoping to cover some sports shooting I did recently and wrap up my Q3 freelance review. The more I can grow the channel, the more time I can spend on it and experiment with different video styles. So I'll try to talk about that a bit in the Q3 video.
I didn't make a choice, only the f4 existed when I bought it, But, I would buy the f4 given the choice, it's a lovely lens to use an is my go to lens for most occasions.
It's a workhorse. On trips where I want to ensure coverage of different scenarios, I'm still packing it almost every time.
Great video. You raise some excellent points. I currently have older Nikon and Canon APS-C setups with 2 bodies each and a equal amount of lens. I have been shotting DX going back to the release of the Canon 20D. I still have numerous APS-C DSLR's . The only camera shop you can see cameras at these days around me is Best Buys. We were recently in Maul and while my older DSLR's did great in RAW, it was challenging when we went to evening functions, shows and a Luau. I went in to see the 90D, but I after not getting a new camera in 5 years, I would really like to experience Full Format and Mirrorless.
I am an amateur photographer since the 70's and do mostly people and scenery photos. I also enjoy shooting RAW and putting the RAW images through Lightroom and Photoshop.
There are numerous options. I am leaning towards the Canon RP or R6. Also I have not ruled out Nikon Z5 or Z6. The more I read the more confusing it gets. I love the feel of the Canon R6 in my hands. I don't love the price. I am really more into taking still photos as opposed to videos. So I am not concerned about 4K cropping. My major concerns about the RP is no protection of the sensor, cheaper build quality and potential dynamic range issues.
So my 3 big questions that I can’t really answer 1) would the R6 be overkill. 2) Would the IQ be noticeably better on the R6? 3) Would I be better off getting the L glass with the RP vs the kits glass on the R6?
Would welcome and appreciate feedback for from you since you seem very accomplished. Thanks
Thanks for watching and sharing all that info! There are lots of options out there and it gets overwhelming fast, for sure. I can't speak much for the Nikons, I know the least about them right now.
The R6 is considerably more expensive than the RP and for a good reason - there's a lot more functionality. Going from the RP to the R6, for me, was incredible. But I feel like I'm also taking advantage of all the big differences frequently in my shooting. I wanted two cards for paid work, wanted weather sealing, wanted very sticky AF for 4k video with little crop for these videos, wanted faster stills rate for dabbling in sports, wanted a bigger battery, and wanted the scroll wheel. I do wish it had no record limit. I could go for a few more megapixels occasionally. And I wish there was 4k 120 without going up to the R5. Otherwise, pretty perfect camera for me. And I loved the EVF, size, and low light bump of the RP coming from my T7i at the time.
Stills shooting of people and scenery is kind of that sweet spot where the weaknesses of the RP aren't put on display. So I'm tempted to say:
1) Not overkill, but if you don't plan on using the fast stills rate or 4k video, you'll be paying for lots of differences in the two bodies that you don't use. The RP is a lot smaller feeling so if you like the R6 in the hands, want the bigger battery, and plan to keep it years and years then maybe go for it. Otherwise, refurb RP is $899 freeing up LOTS for L glass.
2) At least a small low light performance bump and you're going to nail focus on the eye more often for fast moving subjects.
3) This is tougher to answer. You probably have a stronger sense of the focal lengths you prefer than me given how long you've been shooting. I like the f4 L's a lot, but you probably want some of the faster lenses for that lowlight evening scenario. The cheaper 35, 50, and 85 are all pretty good. Perhaps not fabulous, but very solid and affordable by RF standards. The 85Ls are spectacular, but massive and so expensive. I haven't tried the 50L yet, the 35L doesn't exist until late 2022? and the 24-70/28-70 also seem solid, but I haven't tried those either.
Only other things I would say, it's a little bit of awkward time to grab an RP or R without knowing what will happen to their ii's. Not sure if both with get a refresh or when, but if you want the latest and greatest when you switch you should wait for those, if you can deal with whatever supply chain issues inevitably plague their initial deliveries. Also, if you would consider the crop, R7 seems pretty interesting. But I haven't watched all the first impression videos yet on that myself 😃
@@DanYosua thanks so much for your reply. I have quite a few APS-C cameras so next one will be full frame. I am in high tech for many years. There is always a newer and better version coming out. My last new camera was about 7-8 years ago so am ready. Thanks again
@@nyindallas1 Of course, and that there will be haha. Good luck choosing, and enjoy!
I can’t decide between the two!!! Mostly for landscape and seascapes, some long exposure waterfalls..I have the canon R7…
If you're truly stuck and don't have strong feelings on the f4 either because you don't need it or aren't sure, and you don't have strong feelings on weather sealing... there's a Canon refurb of the STM right now for $249. Even if you want to switch later, you could use that for the next 6 months/year just to affordably learn more about your preferences. And it's smaller.
Hello!
I shoot with R5c, lens 24-70 usm, in a quieter environment noise is created from the lens - AF
if the STM lens is much quieter
How are you liking the R5C?
How do you not have more subs??! found your channel today and I love your content. Im caught between buying the 24-105 f4 or the 85mm macro + the new 100+400mm. (already have the non f4 version). Your content helps a lot
If you don't need much on the wide end of things, a fast 85 and the 100-400 will have you all set on the long end haha. And thanks for the comment - you can find this similar sentiment on channels of all sizes... as small as 50 subs and on channels with tens of thousands that might feel like they should have hundreds of thousands. I might actually spend some time in my Q3 freelance update video answering this the long way, but the short answer is that UA-cam gave you something super fitting for you, I'm thankful it was from my channel 🙌,, but a wider Canon RF audience probably might not feel that my videos are quite as helpful or useful yet. Hopefully will pick up some broader appeal as I learn to make better ones 🤞
It probably depends too on whether you find things by search or recommendations. For example the video I recently made on the Moment Cinebloom filters... I don't think UA-cam will ever recommend that in a meaningful way, it's way too short of a video. But it's doing really well in search (at least for my channel) because the click through rate is pretty high. So you can end up finding very different content depending on how you find it. Thankfully with camera gear there is a pretty vibrant used market so videos on older stuff will still get surfaced a little, though not nearly as much as when you catch something new on embargo days.
Great video. I also had the T7i and learned a lot with that camera, but I also made the step from it to the R6. I've got nice telephoto lenses with the RF70-200 and RF100-500 that are great for nature photography as well as some around town, but I don't have that wide angle to short zoom yet. Like you, I'll probably go with the 24-105 F4 due to the weather sealing and slightly better image quality, as I'm occasionally out while it's raining, and also am in some pretty sandy areas around the Gulf Coast.
Thanks! How are you liking the 100-500? I'm looking forward to trying that one, especially when paired with the R6 shooting speed.
@@DanYosua I love it. It stays on the camera more than the others when I’m out shooting. The clarity and sharpness at 500mm are very good, even when using a 1.4x extender.
That’s exciting, I forget about the extenders, that would be fun to try as well
I just picked up the non L version directly from Canon. Refurbished with the lens hood was less than $300. I think I’ll be satisfied paired with my new R50.
Sounds like a great pickup, and should be a good companion for that camera!
Straight to the point video. Keep it up buddy !
Thank ya! Trying to keep the fluff to a minimum 😅
@@DanYosua Absolutely, a right decision. Sometimes more than technical details, a real world use case helps as a good example.
I've been shooting 80D since 2016 as a hobbyist in wildlife and nature photog, and casual photographer for friends' events. I cannot count how many times I had to crank up my ISO just to keep up to the dim lights and very early night hours of Canada during the winter. For me, spend it once and keep it long is gonna be a thing, so the L is the choice. Also, isn't L more weather-resistant?
Some people don't know or aren't sure - If you think this is a 5-10 year lens and care about weather sealing at least sometimes, absolutely go with the L. That's kind of how I looked at it personally (though I wasn't as sure at the time I'd love F4 over F2.8 in the middle range). If you haven't already upgraded, you'll probably notice a pretty big difference in low light performance. Jumping from my T7i to my RP at the time (I got this 24-105L as a kit) you shoot noticeably cleaner at ISO 6400.
I have r50 and I'm thinking to get 24-105 f4 or going with primes like 16mm f2.8 35f1.8 50 f1.8 and one between 85mm or 100mm .. i feel better with primes but going outside with those make me feel not to much comfortable.. i like to shoot portrets and sports ( my son playing soccer) what do you suggest?
What's the longest focal length you have for sports now? I haven't used it, but I might even consider the 24-240mm in your shoes, and pair that with your favorite portrait prime.
@@DanYosua for now i the longest i have it's 50mm f1.8
@icynicey2853 in that case, maybe 105mm is plenty to play with for now. On bigger outdoor fields that could start to feel fairly wide still, depending on the sport.
Excellent review Dan, thanks for your honest assessment.
You’re welcome! Which way are you leaning?
Thank you for your honest review! I think I’m gonna go for it now!
Which one? Hope you like it!
How does the RF 24-105mm STM stack up against the EF 24-105mm adapted to a Canon mirrorless body. I recently purchased the Canon R6 Mark II and already own the EF 24-105 f3.5-5-6 STM lens. I’ve adapted this lens onto my R62 and the STM focus is fast to lock on. It’s better on my R62 than my 90D and it wasn’t lacking.
I did purchase the RF 50mm and it didn’t disappoint! It’s an amazing RF lens and I’m probably going to purchase another RF prime?
Great videos, thanks for all the information.
I’m not positive as I’ve never used the EF version, but if it were me I’d probably hang onto the EF unless it was bulky to the point where I noticed I was avoiding packing it. Like you said, I’ve had great autofocus results with everything I’ve tried adapting over the years.
@@DanYosua
Thanks - I actually have the EF f/4 (L) MKI and the EF STM. I wasn’t sure if I needed to save up big for the RF STM or RF (L). This was the only EF STM canon made so I’m keeping it. I like using it on my 90D & C100 MKII for video. Seems like both lenses will be ok on my R62. I just need to start shooting photos & footage.
Thank again
What would be the best option for a Canon R50, to take full advantage of the advantages of this small but amazing camera?
I'd be tempted to stay smaller and balanced, would go with the STM, and then would look to add in a small, faster prime to compliment it if you don't have one already.
Having a constant Aperture is worth it for me
SUPER happy with the STM prime lenses.
They're pretty good compliments to the zooms. I think the 50mm is a particularly good pickup now that it's $159. I'm still hoping for some options that are weather sealed and halfway between the L's in size/price, but that is probably going to take some time.
after thousands of shots, i found myself shooting f4 or higher with 35mm… (i shoot f2.8 or below only with my gf because girls love bokeh for gram… now im thinking getting f4 zooms for personal shots….
Hello Dan,
I am new to photography and I have a canon r50 which is my first camera. I have the kit lens that comes with it that is 18-45 4.5 - 6.3. I want to upgrade to a better lens. I was thinking about 24-105 4-7.1 as I mainly shoot stills in daylight and landscapes. Could you please advise should I go for 24-105 4-7.1 or should I save and go for f4 L version (which would be expensive for me) or should I get 50mm 1.8. I am a bit confused, could you please help.
Thanks.
Will you plan to keep the 18-45? If you plan to sell that lens, one of the things I would be considerate of is whether or not you'll miss the 18mm end of the range. The F4 may feel fairly front heavy on the r50 so especially if it's a stretch, I would probably go with the STM version. One of the small fast primes would be a good addition to use in low light and separate subjects from backgrounds... but if you aren't sure yet which focal lengths are your favorite, and you mostly shoot landscapes, you can always add that later.
@@DanYosua I plan to keep 18-45 for the wide end. Since you suggested to go for the stm version, should i get the 24-105 first or the 50mm first?
Ultimately you're going to be best to answer the order, so if it's not immediately clear if you'd prefer the wide aperture of the 50mm over the length of the 24-105, no need to rush into either. Both are going to open up some new and different shooting opportunities. If you're liking the length the 45mm on your current lens, 50mm may be a good first choice to play with wide apertures around that same length in a prime lens.
@@DanYosua Thanks! For all your help Dan, I appreciate it!
@@magisterial-2789 Np, thanks for watching, happy shooting!
I’ve been doing photography for 5 years now and I primarily shoot with prime lenses. I recently upgraded to an R6 and normally rent a zoom lens for weddings just to use for the ceremonies and then switch to my primes for everything else.
This may be my last year doing weddings so figured I’d make the investment for the RF 24-105 STM but now I’m second guessing if I should’ve gotten the L. I would only use the zoom lens for the ceremonies and return to my primes for portraits. And honestly can probably switch to a prime right after bride walks down the aisle. What are your thoughts? Stick to the STM or will I be disappointed because I’m used to shooting at lower apertures?
First, I've only shot at one wedding, casually as a friend, so no expert here. And that was before I picked up my Rokinon 85 that I would have wanted. I used my 70-200 F4. That was ok during the day, way too dark at night without flash. If you already have the STM, I would be tempted to give it a try depending on your lighting. If it were me, I'd probably opt for the constant aperture and then would plan to resell if you don't plan to use it after your wedding work longterm. If you're still feeling really stuck in the choice I would maybe try renting.
I have used the RF 24-105 f4L intensively since 4 month now as my travel lens. It's imho worth the extra money for that constant f4: at 105mm and f4 it's actually a nice portrait lens with decent background blur and very nice bokeh, something the STM version, with it's max aperture of f7.1 at 105mm, can't achieve. So the L version should be a great and very flexible lens for outdoor wedding receptions, while indoors i'd rather switch to a fast prime (unless I'd shoot with flash).
Bro it’s so hard to choose I want to go cheap but I normally shoot videos and pictures like at clubs but I have a light so idk if I need the L version or street photography so idk
I would probably lean F4 in this case, but if you have a light, try finding a used or refurb STM to give it a go. I usually recommend renting for those on the fence, but since both of these are kit lenses that people often sell, if you think you might get away with the STM it's probably better to just pick it up do what you can with it. If it's not working, resell and jump to the F4, and you can think of the STM as a cheap, long-term rental.
Thank you this was very helpful in making a decision!
I'm glad, thanks for watching!
Thank you for the review! This really helped
Of course, which way are you leaning?
I recently bought my first camera that it the Canon EOS R6 and bought 2 lenses 24-105 f4 STM ans 50mm f2.8 STM. I need to start to expierence them but I would like buying the 24-70mm f2.8 l lens in the near future but I need to save money for it. I hope what I bought is decent start.
Rest assured, the two lens you have are a great start, and can cover many different scenarios. If you upgrade, depending on your exact needs, the 24-70 might be something that you could leave on your camera the entire time without needing to change lenses much. You might keep the 50mm for really low light conditions/portraits. The 24-105 might be something you keep if you find you really like the extra reach between 70-105 or occasionally want a lighter lens than the 24-70 for some outings. Otherwise, you may consider selling that 24-105 when you upgrade.
If it were me, make sure to shoot with the two you have while you save. Then, by the time you have the money saved, you'll have a good idea whether you still want the 24-70, want something a bit different, or don't need anything new at all.
@@DanYosua sincere thank for your great explenation. The genre I would like to dive in with photography are nature, potrait and concerts. I really don't need a big zoom lens but a lens with a great appeture. I hope these are okay for now but first I want to buy a great body and learn with cheaper lenses and expand from them on. 😁 life is difficult when you need to choose. I didn't want the RP because of the shutter speed so I decided this one. My goal was a full frame mirrorless camera, maybe too overwhelmed as a starter. I know my wishlist and mostly I'm kinda stick to that.
Of course, have fun learning and exploring! The R6 is a great value hybrid, particularly on the photo side and now at a great price. In my experience over the last two years with it, the biggest shortcomings are on the video side for projects of longer length or more professional style. And even those won't be enough to truly stand in the way of creating for most photo-first shooters. I found the RP was a great start, and still very solid for those looking to get into Canon's full frame line really affordably. But you're right, for those looking to own the camera for a few years and grow with it, I try to recommend people consider saving a bit more and bumping up to the R8/R6 to get the stickier autofocus and expanded feature set.
canon 24 - 150 f4 is l usm price jumped up for about 300 $ while being out of stock :)
Oooof. Didn't know that. Great lens, but I wouldn't advise anyone pay 1399 for it.
Amazing video and very helpufull . Would love to see a review on the new rf 100-400 f5.6 🙏
I'm hoping to get my hands on it!
Looks like I’ll be keeping my kit lens that came with my RP
Sometimes it’s best to start with whatever you have just to learn about what you might need and want for the future!
Many thanks for this helpful video 👍
Of course, glad it helped!
great review thanks
Thanks for watching, glad it helped!
If you buy L lens, down the road if you want to sell it, it will be sell quickly and you will get most of your money back, this is my experience.
My typical buying behavior with tech and camera gear is to try to buy the newest/best you can comfortably afford at the time and take good care of it for this reason. Sometimes it's tough with lenses though, particularly with Canon's lineups in RF at the moment. There are some big gaps.
When I started learning photography, someone gave me this tip and I always follow it, I buy L lenses, enjoy them and when I want to replace them, I sold them at 65% of it’s original price and add money to buy my new lens, I don’t care about the bodies , there is always someone selling a good bodies somewhere. Thanks for the reply.
Great video. It really boils down to how you use your camera right? I think if you would be using the lens outside for the majority of the time then have lights for indoor work then the cheaper one would be of so much value as compared to the f4 constant aperture. (I know separation is such a big deal but in the meantime you can figure out how to separate in other ways)
Addition to that if you are just starting out and still learning and experimenting then starting with the variable aperture really makes sense. Upgrading later on to a 24-70 f2.8 then primes would seem like a better progression for me.
Agreed. Pairing this with the fast 50 gives you lots of options and learning potential.
@@DanYosua would even go for a Sigma 35mm f/1.4 for that matter. Nowadays with 4k shooting is starting to get ubiquitous. So glad cropping in is an acceptable thing 😉
would you shoot action sports with a constant f4 or would you only do it with lower aperture? would you shoot action sports with a prime sense, if so which one?
I have shot some ice hockey, and field hockey on sunny days with the constant f4 of the 70-200. You'll want more light indoors but I don't like to let that stop me from trying. The STM version will struggle inside for sure. If action sports is your main use case, I might look at faster lenses. And unless you're close up, longer lenses as well. If it's more occasional, close-up work, and the 24-105 works best for you in all the other use cases, you can give it a try.
My 85mm is my longest prime and the AF can't quite keep up with action in burst shooting. I can get some hits, but not the great continuous tracking of my 24-105 and 70-200. Based on what I've seen, the 135mm is a dream prime for this, but obviously much more expensive.
Don't forget that the inexpensive 100-400 has the USM motor and is spectacular at capturing fast action. F8 at the long end but a great lens and great companion to the 24-105.
I didn't have it at the time, but great point. The 100-400 is snappy, and I would have liked to try that for field hockey during the day games.
Did you notice difference in colors? Like are the RF L’s warmer
I didn't particularly notice, but that's not saying a ton, as I'm not usually paying as close attention. I almost always shoot in awb and tweak later. The one lens I do notice that's consistently warm of mine is the Samyang 85. But nothing jumped out here to me.
@@DanYosua definitely heard that about the Samyang RF 👍appreciated
@DanYosua which one should I purchase for wedding portraits and photoshoots?
I would tend to lean with the L for something like that, particularly if you'll shoot any video.
Go to "L"!
don't have a full frame camera i have a crop sensor camera the canon 80d i guess when the prices goes down I'll buy me a full frame camera but for right now i only have the 80d and i want a good lens that can do everything with. I want a few pointers. I want to know how good this lens is and would it fits my canon 80d
Both of these lenses are for the newer, mirrorless RF mount so they won't work with the 80d. The good news is, if you upgrade to a full frame mirrorless camera when you do, your EF lenses can work adapted on your new RF body.
@@DanYosua well i have the 16-35 and the nifty fifty for right now from canon for my canon camera and I'm still learning aperture mode
May i ask what kind of filter you're using on your lens?
The red one? It's a Moment Cinebloom, a diffusion filter. They make a few different strengths. I have video comparing the 10% and 20%, but just got a 5% on discount recently as well.
Thank you! I'll take a look.
Is the STM f/4-7.1 just as sharp as the older EF 24-105 L f/4.0?....wich is used $300
Not sure myself, hopefully someone else will be able to chime in
Shame on you for drinking McDonald’s coffee lol jk, we all do from time to time. Loved the title of this video and wish there was a channel like yours about the Fuji world
There's no proof that I drank it! Could have found it 😅 Haha hopefully some Fuji soon! 🤞
@@DanYosua hope so haha
Hello! Thanks for the very interesting info. I wanted to ask you if for landscape this lens on canon r5 using it with focal lengths from 40 to 85 mm has a good yield in sharpness with aperture from f8 to f11? I'm going to buy it because I wanted a versatile lens that works me around the focal lengths I mentioned above. Thank you
Not a super helpful answer, I know, but I'm gonna hold off on confidently speculating on the nuances in how these two lenses compare at those specific ranges for the R5. I've never used a higher megapixel body like the R5 and no longer have the STM version on hand. I would think when pixel peeping you may notice a bigger difference than I have here. And maybe more on the 24 end of things? But in 40-85 and f8-11... probably still fairly similar in the center. I would think most people opt for the L with the R5
@@DanYosua ok! I'll try to try it first, thank you for your time, have a nice day!
You too, thanks for watching!
bought is for 220$ new with official warranty. for this price not bad, for 499$ it's rubbish. also have rf 35/85 and 24-70. all is much better
$220 is a steal. I disagree on "rubbish", but definitely not for everyone. For someone who won't miss the light, doesn't want a prime, and doesn't have $1000+ for L zooms.... this lens starts to look more fitting than those 3 options 😉There's a refurb for $159 right now, would be the best way to snag one in my opinion nowadays
@@DanYosua i mean for video, when u must use auto iso in Av mode to fast zoom in and expo change a little darker or brighter.
when shooting with rf L zoom I use M mode and haven't any issues.
Ahh yeah, that's a good call out. Not as usable for video.
i am willing to upgrade my canon 550d with r7 and 24-105mm
The R7 is really, really intriguing. You're gonna get an incredible jump in AF performance and all sorts of other features. It's relatively expensive coming from 550d, but I think it's priced competitively given what it is. Would be interested in your initial thoughts if you end up picking one up! I hope to use one here eventually.
I'm looking to buy my first camera. I think I'll be going for the Canon EOS R6 but I'm not completely sure which lens to buy with it. I will be using it for both photography and videography, so I think the 24-105mm lens will be useful. The L lens over here is about 1000 euros more expensive than the STM version. Is this worth it, or will I be better off buying the cheaper version and expanding my kit with other lenses in the future?
If you don’t have any other lenses, it might be worth looking into something like the 35mm macro, and you could pair that with the STM. That way you can save some money overall while still getting to experience a fast f/1.8. And then if you find you really want the constant f4 you could upgrade.
where do you take pics? with roughly weather I think you need the L protection.
With a Canon R5 or R7 you will see the difference in quality.
I figure for a lot of the lenses I've tried there is probably some difference in the higher MP bodies. I have a bit of blind spot there in terms of real world experience/testing for sure. At the same time, for socials, it's probably still pretty negligible most of the time. I typically export with long edges of 2025 px in LR for IG or the shots in these videos. Seems to be a good size for to balance quality and storage. If I print, or for images that I spend a lot longer on, I will go back and export larger. For paid shooting, usually a folder for each.
With the 70-200, and now as I've been using the 100-400 for several months, I do understand the desire for some more cropping real estate. Perhaps an R5ii or R5iii some day!
Now it is $900 dollars different.
price of RF glass is moving in the wrong direction for some of these lenses 🥲
Bro why you whispering?
Try cranking your volume
i wish you review sony gear....smh . im only here to see those bangers
I very much would like to test out some other manufacturers, but short of finding some people nearby to borrow from, will have to grow a bit more before renting some of that stuff 😅
@@DanYosua what crop size do you normally use on your photos?
@@prince2thethrone I end up shooting a lot vertically, then crop 4:5 for insta. I would say I usually keep around 75%+ of any given frame that way. Unless I'm taking a vertical crop out of something shot landscape. For Instagram I usually export 1080_1350 unless I'm being lazy. For these videos I try to export 1620_2025 for the vertical shots so that I can drag it right onto the 4k timeline and they are the appropriate height without needing to then scale it in Premiere.
Dude, slow down....what are you talking about!?!
0.75x speed in the bottom right corner 😝
U can use 3rd party ?? On cannon now??
Sort of. I got the samyang/rokinon 85mm (and had the 14mm) before they were shut down. Apparently Canon will will now selectively review and allow certain lenses. But in a realistic sense, third party is still not much of an option on RF and it won't be, to the degree most would like to see it, for a long time.