Gaffer & Gear 161 - PavoTube II 30X
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Gaffer & Gear 161 - PavoTube II 30X
Index
00:00 Intro
00:45 Walk through of the product
01:14 Battery life
01:41 CCT mode
02:34 HSI mode
03:11 Special effects
03:58 Pixel effects
04:26 Pricing
05:13 What you get
06:19 Cons / Negatives
06:20 Speed and sync
08:10 Restarting effects
08:36 DMX connection point
09:40 Phone app bugs
10:56 Pros / Positives
11:01 Color render & CCT
11:20 Build quality & improvements
12:30 Massive lineup of available accessories
12:42 Mounting i lets
13:17 Menu system / user interface
15:31 DMX modes
15:17 App usability (Drive Mode)
18:43 DMX testing
23:27 Technical Data Review
23:32 Lux @ 1m
23:50 Flicker free
23:56 CCT average accuracies
24:18 Color render averages (TM-30)
24:30 DuV averages
24:53 Combined reading 7000k to 12000K
25:07 2700K
25:34 3200K
26:02 4400K
26:27 5600K
27:03 Color vectors
27:38 Desaturated vectors
28:31 Closing remarks - Фільми й анімація
Speaking of Gold Standards. I believe you are now the gold standard in fixture information. Thank you!
I usually go to multiple filmmaking channels for different opinions then put it all together and draw my own conclusion. This is channel is a ONE STOP. I get upset when he hasn't reviewed a light I want.
This channel is my main source about light equipment. Thank you! :)
WHOA...production was taken up a notch!!! looking good!
Awesome video as always.
Thank you Andrew for another comprehensive review.
The only lighting reviewer on UA-cam that I trust. Thank you!
Great review! Your no nonsense attitude is always refreshing.
A review I waited for by you from the announcement!!
So awesome that a fellow Melburnite doing so well! Keep doing amazing work.
Very, very complete and precise evaluation! Thank you!
Thanks for the review!💙
The review I've been waiting for
Another great review, Andrew. It's almost a shame that these companies don't put the gear in your hands before nailing down the firmware. I'm guessing some of these issues could have been resolved in a matter of a day or two of programming. I understand that some consumers prefer 'speed to market' over 'nailing down the problems', but the truest test of a company is how fast they can make changes once the flaws are pointed out. After all, there never is/was/will be a perfect product released at just the right time and with no flaws.
Great stuff as always. Thank you!
That entrance though!!! lol love this review. Thank you!!
Thank you for this great review !
thnx for the info and comparison to Titan tube. I appreciate it
Amazing review. Thank you 🙏
Thanks! Might get 2 just as stand alone units. But as a set of 8 Titan is still king.
Seriously great presenter. Flawless long takes 👏
Hey Andrew love the show, I was wondering could you do an episode, on what Gels like FULL CTB FULL CTO, do past the obious, like how it affects the spectrum and colors other than converting the color temp
That’s a great idea, I’d love that as well. Especially from Andrew!
I did some testing on this about a year ago. I didn't test CTB or CTO. I just tested a RGB Quasar set to 100% Red vs an Aputure 120D with a Red Gel. To the eye they looked the same, but to the camera the lamp thru a gel created more tonal contrast than RGB Quasar. So I was thinking that gelling wider spectrum lights must give a thicker(?) spectrum than just an RGB LED. I'm sure Andrew can give more details. But that was my quick unscientific test results.
@@AlexDerrick_DP Yes, you are correct. If you aren't familiar with SPD's (spectral power density) graphs I'd recommend reading about them. An RGB LED would give you a spike at a specific wavelength with little else, if you lit the entire scene that way it would be monochrome, practically black and white (black and red to be precise).
Whereas with a broad spectrum light, like tungsten etc, no gel could subtract all the colors so that all is left over is the singular spike around one wavelength from a RGB LED, though a dichroic filter may be able to do so.
I would really appreciated if you would included a personal verdict of the reviews product. What are you maybe gonna use it for? Are there better alternatives for the price? A small summary of your final thoughts would be awesome!
it's great it has a plus/minus green. The magenta cast on the previous pavo light was horrendous at times
The vibesta peragos tubelights are smoother with the pixel effect as i see.
I think you reaching point where many ppl will be ready to pay for your content or maybe some bonus content :) i will :)
Awesome review! Super detailed with professional info.
Awesome, thanks Andrew! The only one on UA-cam talking about the "slow refresh" in the pixel effect and the out of sync in serial. Once they fix the driving mode, these tubes will be a really good option to asteras.
EDIT: I bought a kit of this a few days ago, on sign up the app keeps saying "Network request failed" and I can't use any of the functions. Got them for a shoot for the chase light function and I wasn't able to use them. Super annoying and not happy with the purchase, I don't recommend them right now.
How are they now?
Guys, what's a good budget option, doesn't have to do gradients really, but maybe around 200? These do look great though.
Thanks for the wonderful review. How do you measure the refresh rate
Hi Andrew thanks for sharing your review with us , is the USB-C port powered?
What would you recconmend for a live stream DJ set up environment (wall mounted). As in they will be behind a DJ/Act with a mirrorless camera set up towards the LED tubes. Titans tubes? i want the best quality looking ones for visual effects and colour. it would be a permanent install fixture 90% of the time for a live streaming studio. Reason being I'm opting away from a green screen to a lighting show due to it being too bright on the eyes / room. Also to note DMX controlled is the ideal set up I'm after so speed and sync is crucial. Also is there anything to look out for product wise in the future?
How do you feel that these compare to the Astera Ax1's? The Ax1's seem to be a bit cheaper and still work a bit better.
Long time no see andrew..!! Nanlite finally made alternative Titan..!! But i heard the astera made another dot light for the wall lighting. Could you review that one🥺🥺?
🙏🏾
Hey Andrew, I'm not sure if you have a particular reason to not have yet, but I would defiantly use an affiliate link through amazon or other site with a link to the products you showcase!
I bought the pavotube 8t7x on a spur, already loving it. I was going to get this one above but was not able to save well. And thought i would not get a light until October at the rate I am saving then I was like less just get 8t7x since its in my monthly budject range that i didnt use up yet. Got it, love it, just wish it were brighter but its so affordable i can buy another next month which will get me more light and it will steal be cheaper than getting 2 of the one above and lighter weight so defintely just going to buy a lot of 8t7xs maybe 4 thoughout the rest of the year. i might buy one like the one above If I randomely get a large check which actually happens sometimes. I just dont like saving for stuff XD.
Hi Andrew, amazing review as always. Nice to see a fellow Melbournian being THE authority on all things lighting. I got a question, how would you compare these Pavotubes to Godox TL60? Obviously they are superior, but how superior are they really, given the 50% or so bigger price for 15x? Are they really double the power in brightness compared to TL60 (35W vs 18W for relevant model sizes)? Also, did you manage to control the pixels through DMX, and how smooth was it if you did?
Cheers from Brunswick.
The pixels can be controlled via DMX. Each pixel is essential a seperate light. So lots of DMX Chanel's.
I can't remember much about the godox unfortunately.
Hi Andrew. For a small portable Documentary light, what do you think about a set of 4 X15 Pavotubes in the small 2 foot 4Bank fixture with the detachable Grid. Do these things play nicely together? I'm hoping to have something that is brighter than what Kino makes, and is easily battery powered. Of course you can pull the tubes out which is super flexible. Just hoping for your thoughts. This is as opposed to just a Diva 21 or equivalent.
It sounds like a good option, and I know people who do it, just bate in mind that the back of the tubes don't emit light, so the reflector won't come into play.
Love to see a review on gvm 300w light
Are the Falcon Eyes IRISA tube lights available in Australia? would like to see your review of those. Just saw it on Grip Tips, but your break downs are significantly more comprehensive.
No one distributes Falcon Eyes in Australia
There are youtube reviewers and then there's the boss of them all.
Question regarding power: Is it possible to daisy chain AC power using a splitter cable to 2 or even 4 tubes? I've seen a gaffer use a splitter for the fixtures connection cable (2.1 x 5.5 mm?) to power two of the previous version tubes. If so, is there a splitter cable you recommend?
I have a 8 way splitter made for charging. The guys at TecArt.com.au custom made it for me
As always, thanks for a wonderful and in depth review Andrew. Sorry if this is a silly question, but is it possible to have a static color/brightness gradient across the fixture? For example, could I have one end of the fixture magenta, with a smooth transition to cyan on the other end, that I can lock in and keep static? (Also, can I manage brightness of the gradient, and can I do this within the app/without DMX).
I've been searching for a lightweight option like a light matte chroma that can maintain static RGBW gradients across their surface, and I hope that these, through some diff, could be the answer. If you know of any other lights that could achieve what I'm looking for (while being low-weight for overhead rigging) that information would be much appreciated.
You are an absolute resource to so many of us. I tell everyone I work with who cares about lights about your channel. Thank you for everything.
Its definitely not a silly question.
I was thinking this the other day when I ran a gradient with Titan tubes on set. I'm 99% sure the answer is no with these tubes.
@@gaffergear Thanks for the response! :) It's like hearing from a personal hero!
Is your answer "No" because locking it in static is an issue, or because it requires DMX, or it's just impractical for rigging.
For what I'm looking for, what fixture would you recommend? Or should I just wait and give it some time for the market to provide what i'm looking for? I'm trying to keep budget under 4-5k aussie for an extended source that's at least 30cm by 100cm (though diff obv. can effect that.)
@@SamHeesen gradient isn't in the phone app. You could do it over DMX, but it's a lot of channels
Quick question - how often in your professional work do you use the pixel effects? It seems to me that they are an answer searching for a question, or designed to appeal to amateurs and semi-pros who also want an impressive mood light at parties.
About 1 shoot in 20 that I use tubes, I use pixel effects. Usually in a night club scene or music clip
@@gaffergear Thanks for the answer :) Much respect for your channel, you are an excellent teacher.
If you shoot music videos they can elevate your look for sure.
Had very bad experience with these fixtures. Got 6 pieces, one of them had board damage which made the screen flicker and jump. Didn’t unpack the rest, went back to the shop to return the whole set. At the shop the staff opened up the rest and found out that two more have the same issue. We checked serials and the whole set was from same batch. Idk what the size of the whole batch is, but they are out there. Still waiting for Amaran tubes from Aputure. I hope they release them soon, as I don’t really want to get SGC ones or the Asteras
Good move taking the rest back to the shop for them to unpack. No one can accuse you of anything.
If I’m not mistaken, the pavo 6c (10 inch) is part of this family too and was the original redesign before moving forward with the 2ft, 4ft and 8ft…
No pixel effects
@@gaffergear right… wonder why they left out the smaller 10 inch as it seems very similar in all other respects, not to mention a very useful size.
Thank you for your amazing information! How would you mount the PavoTube for a Hairlight/backlight? I have very basic rigging equipment like c-stands, gobo heads, 40" extension arms.
If I need distance I use a boom arm on a combo stand. But depending on the weight of a tube you may be able to use two C-stand arms .
@@gaffergear Thanks for the quick reply! I will test it out.
Thank you for yet another brilliant in-depth review!
Can you elaborate on the "..dial in the hue to 35 for a good looking yellow"? @27:27
Is this an industry standard knowledge tip?
It will look like yellow light from Lo pressure sodium lights on the streets, more cinematic =)
@@ArseniiSavitckii Thanks!
Just got a pair of four yesterday. Two was DoA and a third flickered on max effect. Such a shame because the build quality felt solid, however I can't shake the feeling of showing up on set and not having working gear even if I do get replacements.
That's very disappointing. If you get nowhere with your seller put a post on the Facebook user group. Admin will help you out very quickly.
In the mobile phone app, can you see the battery levels of the individual tubes?
I own a set of 4 the older generation pavotubes and my biggest complaint about them is the quality of the internal battery. Even between the 4 lights, the battery life was inconsistent between them. If I was relying on battery power for a shoot, I could only use 3 because I'd have to keep the 4th as a backup for when one of them would drain to 0% prematurely. Also if the lights would be put away for a few weeks, not in use and with a full charge, the batteries would still drain slowly down to zero.
In your opinion, has the battery quality improved over the previous generation?
I own 16 of the old tubes, you are being very nice. Battery consistency, battery readings, battery charging was shit. This is huge improvement over the old units.
I didn't check the battery reading accuracy over the app, after 3 days if trying to figure out why I couldn't keep tubes in sync I was over reviewing the app.
Now that you’ve had these for a bit more time, do you find the batteries still hold up pretty well? Or is there a different budget tube you’d recommend over these?
Thanks for your very intensive review :-) I´m planing a set with many tubes. so my question is if the APP has been approved to have a correct sync in pixel mode. Wuld be great if anybody who reads this coud give an answer (today is 24-02-06)
I have no idea as I didn't keep these tubes, due to the fact I have 24 Astera tubes
I have a problem with light output calculations. I want to achieve kicker style (45 degrees backlight) moon light with the Forza 500W LED light with a 1/2 diffusion in front. The light will be 10 meters high up and diagonally 23 meters away from the scene to create ambience (scene will be mostly close-up shots). My camera is Sony FX3 at ISO 12800 which gives 11.9 stops of dynamic range. How to calculate how my exposure will look like in terms of lux output? Will I be able to achieve at least 40% of middle gray on actors heads? Thanks in advance
I am totally the wrong person for that question, I'm dyslexic to shit when it comes to math. I totally work off instinct from 28 years of being on set.
@@gaffergear Thank you for the reply. I'll ask on some Facebook groups, no problem. I also work on instinct but sometimes I need to do maths :) I appreciate your tips and tricks videos. Cheers
After 28 years I still can't calculate mirid shift
11:15 - You just said befor (7:20) that is the maximum speed of the lights when it comes to effects, but at 11:15 it is much faster behind you. What is the difference? The sync is slowing it down, or ...? ( oh and great review, as always, thank you for your time and effort!)
7:20 is the maximum speed that all effects can run at, expect for drive effect. 11:15 is the dive effect running on a single tube. It is the only effect that can go this fast, but at this speed it won't stay iin sync with any other tubes.
@@gaffergear Thank you for the clarification and also as I said... Thank you for your honest work and passion! :)
hi! speaking of battery duration, you just mention that they can last 1 hour and 50 minutes at full power but can you tell me a comparation vs astera titan or if the pavo tube ii can last up to 20 hours likte the titan does ? thanks man, your reviews have helped me and my crew a lot, keep on with the great work!
At full power I get at least 90 minutes out of a titan at 100% at 5600k. Possibly longer
@@gaffergear ok, but can the Pavo tube last up to 20 hours? or how long can they last even if its at the lower level? thanks
@@manologalindo5549 I actually didn't keep any of these. Lights I don't need I send back to the local distributor so I actually have no idea.
how come u did get the PavoTube II 30X but not the NANLUX EVOKE 1200. been waiting for ever for that video....
It's coming, stock shortage in Australia
Hey Andrew, thank you for the excellent review. This is just what I needed to know, that these lights won't work for my projects.
Would this tube be useful to light a scene? For example, if I am filming a scientist, looking through shelves, and had to hide a light somewhere to light the face of the scientist, would this be reasonable? Or is it not strong enough to light something?
There are way too many variables to give a yes or a no. I had a scene lite with suspended tubes a few weeks ago. But we reduced the light in the room a fair bit.
I will use tubes to light scenes in smaller rooms often. Like bathrooms
I stumbled on a review that the new X tube becomes very hot (can't touch with bare hands) in 15 mins at 100%. Did you notice this issue in your experience, Andrew?
I did not experience this at all. I actually thought the heat warning on the back of the light was a joke.
I run the lights at full power at 5600K when I test battery run times. No problem with heat.
But a LOT of people are saying they get incredibly hot. A LOT OF PEOPLE.
I only had 4ft tubes for testing, it could be possible that the 2ft get hotter that the 4ft. As is the case with the Soonwell Sensei tubes.
@@gaffergear Thanks for letting me know. Could it be possible those users run their X tube lights on AC power supply? I know charging can cause extra heat, but shouldn't be unbearable.
Any idea of the issues you mentioned have been addressed yet?
No idea
not on the topic, but always wondering why the image looks so blurry when is lit only with red light?
My guess is that it's only using the red pixels on the camera and loosing resolution.
@@gaffergear that was my thought at first but the same effect occurs even shooting on film.
@@gaffergear also it will be intresting to see how it will behave with pure green and blue light as well
Will these work with the new sidus link dmx?
I have no idea
Hello. Please tell me if the company has fixed the software and how it works in 2023?
What is better to buy in 2023 Godox, Nanlite or Amaran tube?
I don't have any of these to test the app with
Grt thx sir. What do you mean by scene changes in camera? Thx.
When you want the light to change within a shot, as it's recorded.
On corporate jobs I do a lot of lighting reveals. So a background may come up, a person in the foreground may come up, or we may do a mood change from cold to warm. The sort of stuff that's too "cheasy" for narrative work
@@gaffergear Actually it’s seeing a revival in narrative too, scenes beginning in silhouette. Seems like a lot of lights have that pop on at the beginning (even a 300x) that precludes getting this, does lumen radio help? And do you think Aputure will get into tube lights? (Any inside word?).
@@kurtvanzo5464 lumin radio has a slower refresh rate than cable DMX. So on some lights it can actually make things worse (especially if the light has no smoothing)
Not many high powered lights can do a smooth fade to black without that clunk at the end.
@@gaffergear Even the 60x’s, but these Pavo tubes don’t look bad on UA-cam. Just wish they moved the connector location. Any suggestion for inexpensive lights that can do a decent fade to black?
Did they update app? I just ordered these today.
Facebook user groups are the best bet for an answer to that
@@gaffergear don’t have a Facebook
I don't have expertise to find out why there are so many reports on HW defects of their new X tube lights. But their software quality control is horrible. It is not just driven by "Speed to Market" strategy. Their Nanlink transmitter box couldn't even pass the basic test with the loaded firmware. And unfortunately some content providers (not gaffers) keep feeding the idea this is the way it supposed to be for software, just wait for the next upgrade. One customer reported he "fixed" the wireless control issue by switching the light on/off multiple times, their marketing guy responded "when something can't work on my mobile or computer, I also do this just reboot the system". He got a thump up from his boss.
Even a software engineer like me don't dare to defend myself like this in public.
When I was testing for the review I thought something must be wrong with my phone, because I was the only reviewer who was reporting problems. I wasted days trying to problem solve what is now obviously a shit app
Then after watching everyone else's reviews I realised that everyone else only had one tube. Looks like the app works great with only one tube.
@@gaffergear Same here...I spent a lot time to figure out what went wrong with firmware update and some basic functionality on my own 6c. And then I started to see some production reports, with clear steps to reproduce critical software issues with grouping lights, especially with their new transmitter box. And I've also read reports on abnormal rattle sound when some customers shook their brand new lights. I had ok impression about LEDGO lights, Nanlite C tube lights, and the Mix Wand you reviewed, but didn't expect the new ones are kind like moving 1 step forward feature wise, but 2 steps back quality wise.
Astera titan is best
RUNS TOO HOT. While I respect and love your content, I also use them sometimes, as basis of buying some gear. I recently bought a total of 18 tubes from Nanlite (box set of 8, 2x set of 4, and 1x set of 2). Received them and tested them over the weekend. And
1. 2 tubes had issues right of the box
2. ALL the tubes get super hot, to the point of almost not being able to hold them, otherwise you risk burning your skin
I am not sure if I got 18 lemons, but my guts feeling is that if I can have 18 units all exhibiting certain pattern, its safe to assume and conclude.
With all due respect, without you mentioning the crazy high temperatures these tubes run on, its seem like you are hiding that fact.
The two I had for review did get hot at the position in the back that has the heat warning, but not crazy hot. The rest of the light is cold enough to hold for long periods without a glove on
@@gaffergear Yeah, I did notice the heat warning but never expected holding without a glove will be an issue. Like you mention in one of your responses, there's a reason Astera is priced the way they are, with my experience with these Pavotubes, I have a lot more respect for Titans
@@suradtaylor is it hot when running at 100% brightness, or hot when running at 100% brightness and charging at the same time. Asking because curious
@@gaffergear Hot when running at 100% brightness alone (without charging). Also noticed that the hotness is consistent amongst all the units we have. I did put all the tubes into the same mode (via grouping done on the app), I did noticed some tubes got hot faster than the rest, however after a few minutes they all got HOT
They have just copied 'Astera Titan'. Sadly these can't even come close in terms of quality, looks, technicality, usability, durability& functionality. PERIOD. Hence these are so much cheaper.
Looking at from a different angle, when I was filming this I though, all those people who complain about how expensive their Titan tubes were to purchase, will now understand that the Titan is actually very well priced, especially if you use Lumen Radio.
@@gaffergear After wasting money to buy 18 of this for my rental house. I am truly appreciative of Astera Titan more than ever. We've been renting out our Astera Titans for 2 years now and they are still quite strong.
100% on point