Now that was funny as shit. next time you do your reloads use a little butcher paper wadding that way all your meat will be wrapped right as you shoot it
this was actually kinda cool to see the data on the PRC and its capability at distance. I've been seriously considering the 300 PRC for next years hunting trip out west.
I live "out west" and shoot a 257 wby mag for everything. Like a lazer beam to 300 yds and never lost an elk or deer yet! I keep my distance to 500yds. I'm a better hunter than a long range shooter. I'm sold on Barnes bullets and I reload my own cartridges for great accuracy and piece of mind.
Inside 250yds I hunt with blackout. Despite what the haters say, a 150gn pill @ 2200 fps does a pretty good job at that range. I would love to play with 300PRC someday, but I cant justify it yet. That buck is beautiful. Nice catch.
Another nice thing with the monolith slugs is there is very little meat damage. They don't explode like a gernade inside. They open up like a broad head arrow and cut clean you can eat up to the hole.
I have a Fierce Carbon Rival in 300prc. Had the same result as you did with the bullet on a whitetail at 120 yards. Jacket stopped on far side but something came through the far side and left a quarter sized hole. Absolutely shredded the lungs and the heart was nowhere do be found. Completely blew the heart apart.
My deer rifle was a 416 taylor when I lived in Alaska. Worked great and I never felt over gunned. Looking at building a 300 PRC on a Winchester CRF model 70. Talking to my Gunsmith on Monday in regards to the magazine length. From what I can figure, loading a 200 grain Nosler partition at the base of the neck is going to be around 3.66 COAL. Congrats on the deer!
100 to 200 yards is my limit due age and ability ..... using a ruger #1 in 35 Whelen which works for "ME" these days for harvesting venison. Do have a Remington Sendero 300RUM that i use as well for venison but the 35 Whelen is my favorite. A SAKO A7 Roughtech in 6.5CM for varmint hunting ..... Those calibers are my favorite's . My EDC reliable ugly accurate truck gun for the farm is a old 30-06 Sporter Mauser 98 that takes a lot of abuse in a rack behind the seat. Really like your videos .... keep em coming ...... Thank You. Possibly a legacy video on the 35 Whelen reloading as the parent case is versatile for many calibers.
I would like to see how much blood shot meat there was. In my experience the ballistic tip bullets are very effective, but they cause a lot of meat damage if they are moving too fast at impact. At 50 yards my guess is that there was quite a bit of fragmentation.
I use 28 Nosler. I live in west Texas. It is always windy, and 300 yards is a close shot. I regularly shoot at a range that runs out to 1000yds and i am very proficient at reading wind. I still would never shoot game beyond 500yrds. Giving them a half second to move added to finding them in the scrub is enough challenge. Shooting game with magnums will almost always lead to poor bullet performance at ranges under 150 yards, you are relying almost entirely on muzzle energy rather than bullet performance.
Bring enough gun is always a good rule to hunt by, that being said for deer IMHO the 7mm/08 is a perfect deer round for ethical hunting distances. I've used it for over 25 years and it's performance has been stellar, most kills were DRT and if any animals ran it was maybe 10 yards before balling up. Of course shot placement is everything and lately I've been playing around with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm a handloader also and enjoy your channel and really enjoy doing less with more and the 6.5CM fills that bill. I bought an "old" Savage Axis in 308 for $125 and rebarreled it in my basement to 6.5CM, my daughter in law had been shooting a Tikka in 6.5 for a couple years so I had plenty of brass and bullets. I took a 210 lb. doe with it last season with a 130 gr. Hornady Interlock with a double lung shoulder shot at 165 yds. Her knees' just buckled and she dropped where she stood, good enough for me with very little recoil, 42 gr. of powder and bullets selling for around $30/100 and judging by the ballistics tables I wouldn't have a problem using that cartridge out to 300 yds. or so. It also holds 1moa or slightly better with an EAB barrel and a 3x9 Vortex. Wanna go out for bigger animals, use enough gun and drag out the PRC, 270WSM or 300WM but from what I'm seeing from an economy and performance standpoint the 6.5CM might just be the new "go to" for deer and remember, the more money you save means the more shooting you can do for most people.
I grew up hunting whitetails here in Pennsylvania. My family has the tradition of a rifle to start off at age 12, often a 30-30 (mine was a 32 Spec). You use that till you have the money to get a forever rifle (mine was/is a Ruger M77 in 270). Lotta guys don’t own a second deer caliber rifle. We hunt hillsides with pretty dense cover so shots beyond 100 yds are rare; most are 50-60 yds. A guy in our gang had bought a 300 Win Mag for an out west elk hunt. He carried it on opening day in PA and had an 8 point come by at approx 40 yds. He got his deer but lost both front quarters. There was your definition of too much gun.
sd402rcool - Me too. My dad bought it for me from a neighbor for $35 and it came with a case and 2 boxes of shells. I still have it. It could do anything my 270 can do. I have a scope on the 270 but back when my eyes were younger, the old Winchester buckhorn sights worked just as well. I also killed a lot of deer with my 32 and it’s very special to me. Thanks for the reply.
While I agree about losing both the shoulders, i prefer that to a bad batch of .25-06 bullets where I was losing the whole deer. They were like the hand of God hitting deer beyond 100 yards, several one shot drop them in their tracks at 250. Best I could tell the bullets were breaking up because of too much velocity under a 100
Joe, same here in WV. Started out on a Marlin in .30 .30 when I was young. Before my senior year in high school I was gifted a 1971 Ruger M77 in .25-06. That rifle dropped everything I pointed it at.... I don’t hunt with it much anymore, I plan on gifting it to one of my sons when they get older.
I like my PRC for long range paper punching but for hunting....Ive never needed more than 308 Win. It works on bear, deer, elk and pretty much anything else I want to eat. I like the 212 ELD-X in my 308. It makes for a fantastic 150 yard hunting round, the bullet stays together and mushroom quite a bit.
When I do my next long range rifle build, it would no doubt be a 300 PRC. I live in Ohio, and don’t do a lot of long range shooting....but I plan to do a build sometime for coyote and ground hog...and when I do, it will be a 300 PRC.
You can never have too much gun! For hunting out of my .300 RUM I shoot the 208 ELD-x, terrific bullet! For more bullet toughness I use the 200 gr Nosler Accubond, that bullet has been excellent on Alaska game of all sizes.
As long as the impact velocity is under 2800fps you will be fine. That said, the Eldx is a crappy hunting bullet. Like you saw, the jacket separates from the core. Deer are easy to kill, so the bullet doesn't matter that much. For larger game use a bonded or monolithic bullet.
I like nosler accubonds, I’m shooting 180gr accubonds out of my 300win at 3180fps at the muzzle. Took a bull elk at 50 yards and it was a clean pass through, no mess. Elk went 20 yards. At that impact velocity I’m very happy that it did it’s job properly. Heart and lung broadside shot. Also took a big whitetail at 150 yards and again perfect performance.
Tons of boodshot meat anytime your using a super frangible cup and core bullet. They always go to pieces at those kind of velocities and blow up everything. Like you say crappy hunting bullets. I have been hunting the last couple years with a .220 Swift loaded with 45 grain Solid Copper GS HV bullets (deer and pigs) well over 4200. Little holes and tons of damage right where you want it and not everywhere else. Of course you could go the other way and use big bullets at low to medium velocities and achieve the same thing. Good luck in the field my friend.
I load a 300 wm and a 300 wsm for mule deer and elk. Both are 212 eldx. 300 wm is around 2980 and the wsm is 2870. I shoot a lot and have killed deer and elk out to almost 700 yards. Farthest track job was 30 yards down hill. Nothing beats a fast kill and I do not have a lot of meat loss unless I hit a major bone.
I would say most magnums are over kill for deer, I've shot several with 7mm rem mag from 50 to 460 yards and I think it is over kill for deer, not one of them has taken a single step and hardly even kicked lol.. As far as long range hunting.. I think if you can't get closer than 500 yards time to work on your hunting skills.
Shot one with my .243 that is my loaner/youth rifle this year. Didn't take a step. Too much gun for deer? I could have killed that same deer with my .223 if that was legal here. The reality is that meat loss and other such "issues" with magnum cartridges have more to do with bullet selection and bullet placement than caliber and cartridge choice. A Berger from a .270 that hits the scapula will cause more meat loss than a Barnes from a .300 PRC through the ribs. I could use less gun, but why would I? Dead is dead. Mind you I'm also from Western Canada and like to run one rifle. Shots are long and animals are big so that may have a significant role in my opinion.
overkill is underrated. if they drop with no movement, flat out dead in one shot, you did it right. better than using a 22lr and watching it run in pain slowly dying scared.
Try hunting the sagebrush flats for elk when the brush is only half calf high. Getting closer than 500 yards is quite difficult with zero cover. I did manage to get to 408 yards on my last one.
I think if you can’t shoot beyond 500yds, you need to be retrained. With today’s calibers and optics, 500+ is a cake walk. Just like modern archery equipment. A 50yds shot was unspeakable in the 80’s. Now guys are taking elk at 100yds consistently. The only people who frown upon this are those still living in the past.
.300 PRC looks nice. I'm hunting with a .35 Whelen based on recommendations from friends in the know as I don't see myself engaging in shots further then 500 yards in a hunting scenario.
I killed 2 Muledeer in west Texas and have killed 5 Nilgai w my 300 PRC in the last 2 months. None of them have gone more than a couple of yards. I just tried to reload using Berger VLDH and had problems between touching the lands , went back to the Hornady ELDX w no seating problems. I’m not a very sophisticated reloader so the easier the better.
Awesome rifle and cartridge! I built a 6.5 Creedmoor and used it for my mule deer hunt with the 143 eld-x in my hand loads. Shot was inside 80 yds and turned lungs to jelly and blew the heart clean in half. It's my go to bullet..
I don't own a 300PRC, but I do have a 7LRM which is the same case in 7mm. Both are a 375 Ruger basic necked down to 30cal and 7mm. The main thing to consider is the slowest velocity the bullet you're using is designed to "reliably" perform at to get an idea of your max effective range. Most bullets are designed to reliably expand down to 1,800 - 2,000fps. Since you can shoot the same bullet in a 308 provided it's throated for it and the twist rate is correct, you will hit that velocity at different distances. Shooting a deer at 100yds with that bullet thru a 308win is on par with shooting a deer with that same bullet at 400yds with a 300prc. (that's an example. I haven't put data in app yet to compare exactly, but you get the idea). So, NO. A 300PRC is not overkill for a deer because range is still a variable. If a deer gets hit "in the vitals" with a 210gr ELD-X traveling at 2,300fps, it has no idea if it was shot by a 308win from 100yds or a 300PRC from 400yds, but results will be the same.
Jared, your answer is v confusing. You make valid argument and then you contradict yourself and then loose the point. The question "Is a 300 PRC an over kill" relates meat damage and although the deer is dead from whatever shot it, it makes a difference to what you eat. No need for a cannon at close range when the cannon is best suited for much larger game at much longer ranges. Yes range is a variable but its important when using the appropriate weapon. There's a reason ppl use bush rifles or plains rifles for similar sized animals at different ranges.
@@csjrogerson2377 No Contradiction here. The point I was making was the question: "Is the 300PRC overkill for deer" isn't enough information for a yes or no answer. The damage to meat from that Hornady bullet in question fired from a 308win at 100yds is going to do the same amount of damage as that same exact bullet fired from a 300PRC from 400-500yds. That's because they will both be hitting at the exact same impact velocity. The question did not state the range at which the rifle was fired or where the animal was hit. If everyone agrees a 308win fired from 100yds isn't overkill, then a 300PRC fired from 400-500yds isn't either. They will be impacting with the same velocity and energy. It's not any more devastating at longer range than a 308 at a closer range just because it came from a bigger case. No Black Magic or Sorcery here... That was my point. A Hornady 210 ELD-X impacting at 2,300fps is still a Hornady 210 ELD-X impacting at 2,300fps whether it's fired from a 308win at 100yds, or from a 300PRC from 400-500yds. 2,300fps is well within the velocity range for that bullet to reliability perform and expand on game. But one cannot give a "Blanket Yes or No" answer to that question w/o knowing how far the shot is and where the animal is being hit. Plus every animal is different and no two shots are ever the same. All we can do is generalize. I hope that helps.
I know what you are trying to say, but the comparison to a 300 PRC at 500 v a 308 at 100 is not really relevant, but it does infer that a 300 PRC at less that 500yds, eg 200 yds, is gonna give the deer a real good kicking and ruin the meat. You might aswel say that a 338 lapua is not too much gun for a squirrel - if you fire it from 4000yds. So why don't we stick to the generality of normal ethical hunting ranges v the appropriate calibre. In which case you can be over-gunned with any big hitter v smaller game. My friend in South Africa, where I have also hunted, hand loads his 270 coz factory loads turn antelope into jelly at the ranges we shoot them. So he uses 150gr Nosler's with a reduced load to keep mv to less than 2500fps. I use a Tikka 30-06, 180 gr SP (to keep mv down) and I think my Tikka is a bit too much for smaller antelope at normal ranges. Much better for Kudu and Nyala. Good shot placement is assumed in all cases.
I had the Problem with Eld-x 180grain in .300WSM that i had a lot of meat to cut away and throw away from Red Deer and Roe and Pig. Now i load the Flitzer from Lutz Möller and i can Hunt from 10 to 200 kg (or even more) every kind of Wildgame without throwing away any meet! I wouldnt believe it first but it works more than great.
Overkill is always better than no kill or worse wounding ( meat damage notwithstanding)...Shot placement is more important than caliber. However large capacity cases extend your effective range out to the distance that the cartridge is capable of providing the minimum foot pounds energy needed for penetration for a quick death. Congratulations on a fine harvest. P.S. In my opinion jacket separation is not good, but neither is a small wound channel that goes in small and out small...
Mr. Strohmeyer, I recently subscribed to your channel, and have really enjoyed your videos. I have a question about your Browning BARs (25-06 & 300 Win Mag) if memory serves. Knowing you handload, do you know the maximum COAL the BAR in 300 win mag, with regards to the magazine, as well as the headspace, jump to lands? Can it be a 1 MOA rig? Thanks again R. Pierce
@@WesternReloader Semi Autos are touchy about COL and are prone to case stretch even after once firing. Also shoulder set back is equally important for proper chambering. I usually go by the bullet makers recommended COL. Yes the BAR's can be MOA with the right loads.
While I don’t have a 300 PRC, my 300 Win mag and 300 Short mag perform flawlessly. In my youth I was trained for longer shots but unfortunately, age does catch up so using learned stalking skills comes in handy for closer ranges as we progress in age.
How much destruction did the bullet do to the meat? I hunt all from roe deer to moose from 0 to 100 meters here in Norway with the Lapua Mega bullet in. 308w and i'm very happy with this bullet.
Ya kno I use a little 308 for everything. Neck shots no meet is waisted. And I pretty confident at about 800. But for me it's about the stalk get as close as you can... now that's a rush !
I run a 700 long range in 300wm. The stock is nice and it is a classic 700 action, which isn’t saying a lot but at least it’s buildable. The barrel that came on the gun was junk, my gunsmith said Remington miss drilled the chamber in relation to the bore. Had it rebuilt by Mile High Shooting north of Denver with a Bartlin 26 inch light Palma. Wanted to shoot the 200 grain ELDX but it wouldn’t group better than 1-1/2 minutes at any distance. Been running 190 gold medal match with good success, 1/2 minute groups as far as I could find to shoot it, which has been about 800 yards. 215 Bergers have been around 3/4 minute and 195 Hornady match is running right around 5/8”. I have read that a lot of people love the 200 grain ELDX, but I’ve never personally met anyone that shoots them with any kind of accuracy. I know that a lot of people are going to cringe about the match ammo and hunting, but just as many people that have actually tried it and or researched it will agree that a lot of match ammo make for really great hunting rounds. I would love to shoot dedicated hunting round but they just don’t seem to fly true. I’ve tried everything from Hornady Nosler Bergers Barnes and others in the 30 caliber and none of them fly worth a darn in this rifle. What kind of success have you had with the 212 ELDX? Do they fly better than the 200s from say a 300 WM? I would like to use an actual hunting round to hunt with, but if they don’t fly straight I’d rather hit the mark with a match round that I’ve had good success with in the past.
6.5-284 norma (very similar ballistics to 6.5prc) ELD-X 143g excellent terminal ballistics. ive see great results. theoretically if the bullet expands less at slower velocities, Farther range, it will increase penetration capabilities. that's a good thing, more entry into the vitals.
When hunting with a hyper velocity cartridge your standard cup and core lead is not up to the task. It will fail as yours did. Regardless of brand and wonderful claims by the manufacturer. Choose a monolithic projectile or a bonded projectile. They will penetrate and hold together. It's not the caliber but your choice of bullet in this case. I bush hunt and use a 250 grain Barnes in 45/70. 450 Marlin. Results are devastating. If I head to the fields it's a 110 Barnes in .270. If using monolithic projectiles they have a longer bearing surface per weight so you may have to use a lesser weight bullet as per twist. You have the most organized well kept loading room in America. How would you like to come and clean up my pig sty.
Killed the buck instantly - no failure. Core jacket separation was from the high velocity impact. Core made it all the way through while the jacket was under the hide with the buck drt. How is that a failure?
Wouldn’t really call that a failure lmao. A failure is a deer that gets a few hundred yards away and you have to track it. That would be failure with 300prc
I've hunted white tail with 5.56 monolithic and they always drop in place, I also don't shoot them out at range, typically around the 30-150 yard range. Even then I'm not a fan of shooting beyond the 100 yard mark with .223 I'm going to get a 6.5 creedmoor to replace the .223 as my deer and coyote rifle little more energy, little more accurate, little less affordable lol.
I think of it like this whether you're setting up an elk rifle that you might use for deer or are you setting up a deer rifle that you might use on elk. In one instance the 300s (prc, win mag) are perfect. In the other instance id probably go a little smaller,I really like the 270 wsm. But hell shoot what you want, it's always fun to try new rifles and loads.
I have always been a long time supporter of bigger is better yet decided to try deer hunting with my daughters Christiansen arms mesa in 6.5 creed. It’s an awesome gun shoots great feels great and light to pack around. I have it set up with a small leupold that runs out of dial at 650 yards and have 143 grain eldx hand loads, not bad for a kids first gun right! Anyways I found a nice Buck chasing does at 605 yards, practice this far all the time no problem right? Wrong I made the mistake of taking a shoulder shot like I would have with my 300 prc and the Buck ran off into brush where I couldn’t get a second shot. I reviewed footage and it was perfect placement. So I took my time getting around the canyon and found blood easily in the foot of snow. Followed the trail up and over the ridge top about 450 yards uphill to find a bed that was empty!!! I pulled out and returned next morning to end the blood trail over a mile further before it stopped bleeding. I found several bloody beds in the timber and never recovered the deer! That’s a first for me so is 300 prc overkill absolutely not! Hunt with a caliber you can handle the recoil on and lose less animals.
300 PRC is a great round if you want to hunt and compete in ELR or something. But if it’s strictly for hunting, I don’t think it gives you any more usable capability than some older cartridges.
I think 300prc is more suited for elr target shooting in my opinon,competition shooting. The price and availability of this calibre is insane,i was going to purchase a 300prc rifle but theres not enough companies making 300prc ammo.
Mantle core separation isn't "this cartridge did really well" in my book, though. Besides that it's more the bullet than the cartridge, but that's a different story
While in general your right...this cartridge/bullet selection was never intended to drop game at 50yards...most magnum non bonded bullets will flat out grenade with such a shot through the ribs, let alone one through the shoulder...on the upside, a 212gr bullet that sheds its jacket is still likely a 150+ grain lead slug that’s opened up to an ungodly dimension...that bullet at 2-300yards would likely not separate. But I wouldn’t be overly stressed if it did.
@@seanmetzger4780 And that's why non-bonded bullets aren't good hunting bullets. For the record: no criticism from my side for the use in this situation, but I don't agree with the analysis. Makes it sound like the bullet would be a great choice when whipping together a hunting load
Knut Pohl I don’t follow the it must be bonded train of thought...if your talking from a magnum rifle then I’ll agree with you...but at standard short action rifle velocities, non bonded bullets have done the trick for a century.
being a sportsman first and shooter secondly. If you do shoot at extended distances, I am glad you are using enough gun to be "ballistically ethical" better 300 PRC than any 22 caliber or any 6mm . yes the 6mm's have there place but when you are stretching a cartridges legs and having sub 1800fps -1850fps impacts, sectional density, sheer bullet weight, frontal diameter and energy ft/lbs becomes your friend. all of which the 300 PRC has in spades
Took a nice moose with 300 PRC 180 yards Hunter ELDX perfect bullet for the job stayed together moose only took three steps. Had the same experience with 6.5 Creedmoor Hunter ELDX
If you get core separation in soft flesh or light bone it will lead to inconsistent results if it hits heavy bone. "It's all about shot placement". Yes, and that's all well and good if you spend enough time at the range shooting at varying ranges, angles and weather conditions, which I'm sure you do but many hunters (including myself) don't, and if you can guarantee the animal doesn't move.
Duck Slayer Energy, all but a small amount, is transferred in the first 6-8inches. An exit hole allows more blood to escape. Bullets like the A’frame, Partition, Accubond, and Barnes have proven themselves as hunting Bullets all over the world on a huge variety of game. In some cases, the bullets I mention have been successful for many decades. Core and jacket separation with bullets is not a good thing. But, to each his own. Safe and successful hunting to you and yours.
Had a 120 yard shot on a whitetail. Using 7x57 140 gr hornady sst. Found only the jacket on the inside of the hide on the opposite side. He was still dead so it was all good.
28 Nosler with Berger 195s and a 300 PRC shooting the cutting edge 230 grain bullets. Both drop the hammer for sure, I’d take either one with me any day
My neighbor hunts whitetails with a 338 lapua and he has had the stomach explode multiple times even if it's a perfect shot, I wonder how this would differ
Congrats on the deer and a great shot. Some would say it’s overkill because essentially you could have used a .243. I personally don’t think it’s over kill. Yes it’s a lot of gun on a deer at 100 yds but if that deer is at 600? Then it’s nice to have that extra energy for a marginal shot. The ethics police can argue all day long in this, but let’s face it, when it comes to hunting, not every shot is perfect and it doesn’t always go the way we want. Things happen. I like to error on the side of caution and usually use a higher caliber. Great video again
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I agree. And who shoot a deer at 600 yds. If you cant get inside 250 yds dont take the shot. 30 06 and 308 is all 30 cal you need.
@@robertpetersson1390 I have a funny feeling he is way more than capable to make a 600 yard shot on a rabbit, let alone a deer. Quick ethical kill is all that really matters. Shoulder shot, not for me, wrecks too much meat. Everyone is different in capabilities and opinions. That's the nice one nice thing about living in America!
People can take long range shots, that doesn't make you less of a hunter etc. Idk why people wanna make that point. Like it's not real hunting or something.
Do you have pictures of the wound channel meat damage? How much bloodshot meat was there? At that distance you could have used a 150gr 30-30 and most likely eaten right up to the hole.
Tons of boodshot meat anytime your using a super frangible cup and core bullet. They always go to pieces at those kind of velocities and blow up everything. I have been hunting the last couple years with a .220 Swift loaded with 45 grain Solid Copper GS HV bullets well over 4200. Little holes and tons of damage right where you want it and not everywhere else. Of course you could go the other way and use big bullets at low to medium velocities and acheve the same thing. Good luck in the field my friend.
I was thinking the same thing regarding 30-30. It still takes more deer every year than any other cartridge. There is a good reason why it is still in use after 125 years- it works. No muss, no fuss, no earth-shattering kaboom, and no destroyed animals.
.30-06 180 sierra spbt at 2875 GRENADES up close, expands pretty well out to 400 (as far as I can attest) and I ALREADY OWN IT ;) Love the innovations taking place, but can't justify the costs to abandon the old girl.
Mule deer are tough. I shot a whitetail with my 28 Nosler with a 195 Berger, I also thought that was too much. That thing knocked the deer over and it never moved after that. It hit the deer at 300 yards and still carried 3200ft/lbs
Yes - I will hunt with the 300 PRC. I already hunt with my 300 RUM for bear, elk and moose. I also hunt with my 7mm RUM and my 338 RUM. Elan and Kudu in Africa came down with a single shot each 338 RUM and 300 RUM respectfully.
I recently had a 26 Nosler made with a 30" 1×8 twist barrel. It shoots clover leafs at a 100. With a good charge of RL-33. Last year i used the Hornady 143 eldx. The buck was 250 yard. That Hornady bullet hit the deer in the shoulder and blew up like a granade. I would not use those bullets on anything larger than deer. This year i developed a load using the Barnes 127 LRx. Its shot great but hunting sucked. So next year field trials. I have used Barnes in all my guns that i use for big game. I think Hornady eldx line of bullets are for smaller thin skinned game at most
D k I hunt with a 7mm Rem Mag and had trouble finding a projectile that grouped well and had good terminal performance on game. I tried several brands, and the projectile that I discovered worked the best on game from close to long distance for me was Berger VLD. I’m trying the 180 instead of 168 next season, but give Berger’s a shot. From large Whitetail to coyote at varying distances, they performed the same and the animals had practically no time before expiring. The bullet does fragment, but the damage is more like a rpg with a shaped cone of destruction than just a shallow grenade. Great penetration and magnificent damage
@@officerfoxtrot3633 Thank you much.🙂 I love any sort of gun input. For game I have steer a bit clear from bullets like the Ballistic tips and most all bullets that aren't bonded cores or monolithic. I have not tried the VLDs for anything than target shooting. So, far there are two deer and three elk where i have hit bone with those bullets with ugly results. Crazy how far an animal can run with a destroyed shoulder (and other boney places). I haven't had that problem with heavy constructed bullets. I think the Hornady GMX would be great. As for the Berger bullets at longer range and lower velocities i think they would be fine. Your going to a 180gr is a very good idea. You cant beat mass, its all got to go somewhere. That leads to another point. I can shoot a 127gr Barnes at high velocity and the bullet will travel the length of the animal and still be close to 127gr. Other bullets shed a good percentage of their mass within the first 4-6" after impact. If an animal spins or jumps at the last moment that optimum shot isnt so optimum. Sorry about being long winded. I love these subjects.
D k I do as well. Lol. Don’t think yourself long winded, my favorite term would be “passionate.” 😂 I know what you mean in referencing bullet weight retention. The Berger vld bullets were originally designed for target and it was later discovered they did pretty well in hunting situations. But they definitely do not retain their weight. I believe Berger’s own data says they shed 60-80% of their weight in 18 inches of fleshy targets. For me, I prefer the bullet shedding it’s weight (and energy) into the target in that distance. Right now, I’m only hunting Whitetail. And if anything, I’m over gunned already so I don’t mind dumping that energy over the excess penetration I would have. I have hit deer in the spine, shoulders, and ribcage. I’ve used Winchester Ballistic Silvertips, PowerPoint HP’s, and the Berger’s for good results. Hornady SST’s zipped through deer without causing enough hydrostatic shock to even make them react much less drop.
D k and another mention. I tricked out a Mosin as a project for a budget long range practice rifle where I could practice windage and holdover at longer ranges with a cheap caliber, and I hunted with it this deer season for grins. I had a surprising result. I shot a doe on the run during a drive at around 100 yards dead broadside. I was using 180 grain Soft Point S&B factory Ammo. The bullet impacted the front leg at the joint on the bottom of the body cavity, went through vitals, and out the opposite leg through the same joint. Broke both front legs. I took a follow up shot as she was struggling and spinning attempting to continue fleeing. The bullet grazed her right rear leg, entered into the body just in front of the right ham. Then it traveled through her entire body cavity, and came to a stop after exiting the ribcage and impacting the front left shoulder. The 180 grain soft point penetrated at least 24-30 inches of tissue before stopping, and I was surprised to find the bullet was around 50% of its weight retained. I thought it wouldn’t have held together or penetrate that deep, but it did. I haven’t gotten into reloading yet, but I imagine it’s just a matter of time. When I do, I’m going to be doing a lot of experimentation with loads and projectiles to discover what my guns like the best. I always like talking tech with guns, and always seem to learn new things when I do. Thanks 😊
@@officerfoxtrot3633 Funny! We must be living parallel lives or something. My uncle it a collector of any and all things Finnish. He love the culture. So, he gives me this old beat up Mohsin M-39. One of those where they counter bored the barrel 4" to get to rifling. Never use those steel cleaning rods. So, anyway. I have a dear friend who is a master machinist and makes rifle barrels. He made me a .308 dia. 6-grove match grade barrel with a 1x10 twist. At our ranges there are ppl who compete with old military guns. I got a whole bunch of Lapua match brass and moly coated 185gr Sierra Match Kings. And shooting IMR-4895. Not a stiff load eventhough the action is good. That gun looks like its off the rack and shoots a 3/4 inch group at 100yrd. When my eyes are focused (getting older eyes vision sucks a bit) ... i want to cast heavy bullets for it for MILITARY rifle silhouette day. Its a fun gun to shoot. Haven't shot game with it yet. Still enamoured with my 26 Nosler with a 30" barrel.
My current favorite is a Seekins Precision Havak Bravo in 6.5 PRC. Don’t know if I would move up to a 300 PRC. The old .308 was my favorite for many years, before moving to a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I shot my deer with this year a 6.5 creedmoor. perfect heart shot, no meat damage. two years ago used my 7mm mag, which was way too much power for a deer gun imo. 6.5 creedmoor is the way
Really no such thing as “overkill” on big game... As sportsman our job is to kill as quickly as possible, always go with the biggest you can accurately shoot.. Just make sure to use solid/monolithic bullets..
Building a rifle in .300 PRC specifically TO hunt. Heavy high BC bullets, better performance than .300 Win Mag while burning less powder than the .300 RUM.
Taking my 300 PRC to Africa in May 2024 for plains game. Will use it on larger plains game like Wildebeest and Kudu. Also taking my 6.5 CM for the smaller antelope species. Furthest shots should be 400 to 500 yards in the area we are hunting. I’m confident in both rounds for the intended species.
In the east where most deer are shot between 75 and 125 yards, this is drastically too much cartridge! I'd down load 308 with a short barrel or use the trusty old 250 Savage. Got my black bear this year with the 250 Savage w/20" barrel. 100 grain Remington and he was one and done, on the spot! I once read that you don't want any bullet to enter an animal at a speed above 2600 ft/sec as the hydrostatic shock damages tissue at large distances from the wound tract, ruining meat and increasing lead dispersion through the usable protein essentially ruining a high percentages of the meat.
I love shooting long distance on mule deer. Finding an advantage spot and glassing for big bucks. I took a 5x4 at 738 yards. He fell on the side of the mountain and I thought I had missed because it look like he was still standing, so I shot again. Finally I saw his ear drop and he was dead. It took me about 3 hours to get down the mountain I was on and get thru the thicket where he was. The bullet holes were about an inch apart, so I had hit him both shots. I was not shooting a 300 PRC but a 300 Weatherby Magnum. I think around 2800 to 2850 is a magic number for Velocities and accuracy for the 30 cals. Anyway, yep... great wide open range rifle for those long distance heart shots :)
I’ve been shooting cheap steel case 124 gr. Hp 7.62x39 out of my cz carbine. I shot a doe at 400 yards and dropped her in her tracks. Fun little cartridge. I bought it for my girlfriend, but ended up deciding to use it myself. I love it.
.270 w/150 gr Rem Core Lokt has anchored every buck I shot. Where I hunt, avg distance 340 yes. Ballistics says 900+ ft lbs at 300yds. Honestly, my Rem model 7600 w/22" 1 in 9" twist shoots straight and has dropped deer, black bear, antelope, elk and moose. The moose took 2 steps. I say whatever you use to humanely take your game is good. 1,000 yds shot placement with a humane kill seems problematic regardless of caliber. Nice buck dude! Good shot.
Im working on a 300 PRC now. Setting up for long range target and match however will use for long range hunts. On a whitetail i think it is a bit much at distance closer than 200 yards. 2000 ft lbs is alot of energy. However i think i would just use a lighter bullet and or drop the charge down to limit the energy for those distances. However i plan to go out west and go after some Elk so the versatility will be needed. Plus ive always wanted a magnum rifle. So ill be getting it all
My friend shot a big buck with a 300 rum and he said he would never do that again. He went back to a 270 for deer hunting. Said that it tore the deer all up
here in michigan we can only use straight walled rifle cartridges 35 cal and bigger (in the shotgun zone aka lower half). we use 12 gauge 2-3/4oz slugs which are insanely powerful. i dont see overkill at all. if it drops with no pain and suffering, job done now time to carve up some dinner
No such thing as "too much gun" when it comes to an ethical kill. Personal, I love huge recoil and shoot many large calabers. Just picked up a 300 prc today to replace my 338 Lapua as my go to long range hunting rig for all manner of critters. For close up shots it's either my 375 H&H, 416 Rigby or the venerable 45-70. So shoot what you like and comfortable with.
for anyone wondering, it's a PLEASURE to shoot I have a 12 lb rifle, a big recoil pad and the apollo max compensator I swear it's the same as my 308 that I shot out of a light rifle with no muzzle brake, shoot, my 308 used to have crazy barrel rise
Cartridge is new to me 2/12/2021 Sound's excellent. It is over kill for deer but I would hunt deer with about a 150 grn bullet. Cartridge sounds fabulous for ELR fun. Will be learning more about this new find.
speed kills 22-250 inside of 300 yards 52gr eldm at 3750 is enough the guy who processed my deer last year said what did you shoot this thing with stop it's too much... it drops them
would a better way to tell to see how damaged the meat was? Also is anyone else freaked out about lead in your meat? They make all copper bullets...how do those perform in hunting?
Hornady should give release some ammo at different power levels, like the 'Remington' in 300 UM treatment, offering 3 levels of power, say one level at .308, another at 300 H&H, and the last at full power...
Gavin, A couple of points. Love how you use data. Hard to beat and argue facts. I really appreciate you bringing up ethics. Something I think people are forgetting these days when harvesting game. 2nd, Hornady markets the ELDX as a hunting bullet you can shoot a match with. I have seen several ELDX’s with cup core separation like you had. A saw an antelope get harvested at 372 yards with a 30-06. Had 5 exit wounds. I will not use the ELDX on game for that reason. Especially Elk.
For all the people complaining about the ELDX separation. The ELDX was not designed for sub 400 yard shots, it was designed for superior balistics beyond 400 yards. Me personally I save my expensive ELDX rounds for when I need to reach out beyond what my federal trophy rounds can do.
Love hunting with my 300 win mag. You don’t always get that perfect shot opportunity on an animal that you aren’t willing to let get away. When that happens, I’m glad I’m not shooting a barely adequate caliber... Those eldx bullets are just a match bullet in a different box.
You are absolutely correct. I use a 257 Roy on deer and elk and never had a problem. 1 shot kills using 100gr Barnes TTSX. Kills like lightning out to my personal maximum of 500 yds and under.
For white tail almost every rifle round larger than .223 is more than enough to kill them with a less than perfect shot. If you're talking bigger game like elk then I understand, but unless you're trying to shoot white tail from mouth to asshole a .300 WM is not necessary just to ensure you get a kill. 30-30 has killed millions of deer over the years, it's not like all of them were perfect shots.
I have a weird .300 WinMag Savage with a *THICK* full Bull 18" barrel (about the same ballistics as a 308 with a 24ish Barrel) that I've been debating on switching to the same setup but in .300 PRC just. To see what happens. I'm a hard stalk type of hunter so I like my game sub 500yds preferably under 250. My set up is perf for big buck while having good handling. I also think a full 26" .300 PRC build would be a bit much for that type of work but like my guy said I'd rather ensure more room for a clean and instant kill than fuck up my kentuck windage and botch it. I owe that to the animal. Even if they only make it a couple yards I hate it when they jump up and kick, makes me feel horrible every time. Now that I think about it I was gonna turn my 28" 7mm Rem to .375 H&H, but maybe well PRC that one with a 26" and see how it fairs. Biggest thing I hunt is elk so I guess I dont really *NEED* .375 H&H
Look at seekins precision. Less $ and way better that Christiansen. Trust me, I invested years in trying to get my christensen to shoot. Christensen told me that will never be better than a 1 and 1/2 MOA gun. Well for me that won't work. My seekins shoots Factory ammo at. 7 moa
@@jbarjj2715 I agree! Seekins or bergara for sure. I've heard too many "hit or miss" stories about Christiansen. They are not bad guns but for almost 2k.......they better be perfect and I've heard that they aren't.
I would, but l've been hunting with the 300 RUM for the past 15 years and have taken multiple mule deer and elk with it at over 400 yards, not a single animal has taken a step after being shot with it.
I bought a Christensen Arms Ridgeline in 300PRC. I wanted to shoot it for fun at distance and hunt with it. It doesn’t shoot super accurate yet, but maybe when I start reloading it will. I sent the gun in to be checked out and I’m waiting the results. But it will shoot minute of deer. So I plan on using it for hunting. Good gun, but I had problems with getting 3 shots in MOA consistently.
"Too dead" is not nearly the problem that "not quite dead enough" presents.
There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead- Billy Crystal
Facts 💯 👏🏻
Up Next - Gavin entices buck to walk into freezer without firing a shot.
Hahahahaha "There's a doe in the freezer looking for company" :)
Now that was funny as shit. next time you do your reloads use a little butcher paper wadding that way all your meat will be wrapped right as you shoot it
Hey quick question what is bigger 300 win mag or 300 prc?
this was actually kinda cool to see the data on the PRC and its capability at distance. I've been seriously considering the 300 PRC for next years hunting trip out west.
I live "out west" and shoot a 257 wby mag for everything. Like a lazer beam to 300 yds and never lost an elk or deer yet!
I keep my distance to 500yds. I'm a better hunter than a long range shooter.
I'm sold on Barnes bullets and I reload my own cartridges for great accuracy and piece of mind.
Inside 250yds I hunt with blackout. Despite what the haters say, a 150gn pill @ 2200 fps does a pretty good job at that range.
I would love to play with 300PRC someday, but I cant justify it yet. That buck is beautiful. Nice catch.
30-30 was one of the most popular dear cartridges with very simular balistics.
Another nice thing with the monolith slugs is there is very little meat damage. They don't explode like a gernade inside. They open up like a broad head arrow and cut clean you can eat up to the hole.
I have a Fierce Carbon Rival in 300prc. Had the same result as you did with the bullet on a whitetail at 120 yards. Jacket stopped on far side but something came through the far side and left a quarter sized hole. Absolutely shredded the lungs and the heart was nowhere do be found. Completely blew the heart apart.
I got the same rifle spec as you, thnx for saying…
My deer rifle was a 416 taylor when I lived in Alaska. Worked great and I never felt over gunned. Looking at building a 300 PRC on a Winchester CRF model 70. Talking to my Gunsmith on Monday in regards to the magazine length. From what I can figure, loading a 200 grain Nosler partition at the base of the neck is going to be around 3.66 COAL. Congrats on the deer!
100 to 200 yards is my limit due age and ability ..... using a ruger #1 in 35 Whelen which works for "ME" these days for harvesting venison. Do have a Remington Sendero 300RUM that i use as well for venison but the 35 Whelen is my favorite. A SAKO A7 Roughtech in 6.5CM for varmint hunting ..... Those calibers are my favorite's . My EDC reliable ugly accurate truck gun for the farm is a old 30-06 Sporter Mauser 98 that takes a lot of abuse in a rack behind the seat. Really like your videos .... keep em coming ...... Thank You. Possibly a legacy video on the 35 Whelen reloading as the parent case is versatile for many calibers.
I would like to see how much blood shot meat there was. In my experience the ballistic tip bullets are very effective, but they cause a lot of meat damage if they are moving too fast at impact. At 50 yards my guess is that there was quite a bit of fragmentation.
With proper shot placement not much ruined. Just the rib meat mostly
Great video. I’m new to the variety of rifle rounds and could not have asked for a better, more entertaining lesson on 300 PRC. Love your videos!!
I use 28 Nosler. I live in west Texas. It is always windy, and 300 yards is a close shot. I regularly shoot at a range that runs out to 1000yds and i am very proficient at reading wind. I still would never shoot game beyond 500yrds. Giving them a half second to move added to finding them in the scrub is enough challenge. Shooting game with magnums will almost always lead to poor bullet performance at ranges under 150 yards, you are relying almost entirely on muzzle energy rather than bullet performance.
Bring enough gun is always a good rule to hunt by, that being said for deer IMHO the 7mm/08 is a perfect deer round for ethical hunting distances. I've used it for over 25 years and it's performance has been stellar, most kills were DRT and if any animals ran it was maybe 10 yards before balling up. Of course shot placement is everything and lately I've been playing around with the 6.5 Creedmoor. I'm a handloader also and enjoy your channel and really enjoy doing less with more and the 6.5CM fills that bill. I bought an "old" Savage Axis in 308 for $125 and rebarreled it in my basement to 6.5CM, my daughter in law had been shooting a Tikka in 6.5 for a couple years so I had plenty of brass and bullets. I took a 210 lb. doe with it last season with a 130 gr. Hornady Interlock with a double lung shoulder shot at 165 yds. Her knees' just buckled and she dropped where she stood, good enough for me with very little recoil, 42 gr. of powder and bullets selling for around $30/100 and judging by the ballistics tables I wouldn't have a problem using that cartridge out to 300 yds. or so. It also holds 1moa or slightly better with an EAB barrel and a 3x9 Vortex. Wanna go out for bigger animals, use enough gun and drag out the PRC, 270WSM or 300WM but from what I'm seeing from an economy and performance standpoint the 6.5CM might just be the new "go to" for deer and remember, the more money you save means the more shooting you can do for most people.
I grew up hunting whitetails here in Pennsylvania. My family has the tradition of a rifle to start off at age 12, often a 30-30 (mine was a 32 Spec). You use that till you have the money to get a forever rifle (mine was/is a Ruger M77 in 270). Lotta guys don’t own a second deer caliber rifle. We hunt hillsides with pretty dense cover so shots beyond 100 yds are rare; most are 50-60 yds. A guy in our gang had bought a 300 Win Mag for an out west elk hunt. He carried it on opening day in PA and had an 8 point come by at approx 40 yds. He got his deer but lost both front quarters. There was your definition of too much gun.
Gotta love that 32 spec.!!!! Taken many a deer with it.
sd402rcool - Me too. My dad bought it for me from a neighbor for $35 and it came with a case and 2 boxes of shells. I still have it. It could do anything my 270 can do. I have a scope on the 270 but back when my eyes were younger, the old Winchester buckhorn sights worked just as well. I also killed a lot of deer with my 32 and it’s very special to me. Thanks for the reply.
While I agree about losing both the shoulders, i prefer that to a bad batch of .25-06 bullets where I was losing the whole deer. They were like the hand of God hitting deer beyond 100 yards, several one shot drop them in their tracks at 250. Best I could tell the bullets were breaking up because of too much velocity under a 100
Joe, same here in WV. Started out on a Marlin in .30 .30 when I was young. Before my senior year in high school I was gifted a 1971 Ruger M77 in .25-06. That rifle dropped everything I pointed it at.... I don’t hunt with it much anymore, I plan on gifting it to one of my sons when they get older.
I like my PRC for long range paper punching but for hunting....Ive never needed more than 308 Win. It works on bear, deer, elk and pretty much anything else I want to eat. I like the 212 ELD-X in my 308. It makes for a fantastic 150 yard hunting round, the bullet stays together and mushroom quite a bit.
When I do my next long range rifle build, it would no doubt be a 300 PRC. I live in Ohio, and don’t do a lot of long range shooting....but I plan to do a build sometime for coyote and ground hog...and when I do, it will be a 300 PRC.
Yes, I just got a CA Ridgline in 300 PRC 26" barrel 1 in 8 twist. That I plan to use for hunting in Montana.
You can never have too much gun! For hunting out of my .300 RUM I shoot the 208 ELD-x, terrific bullet! For more bullet toughness I use the 200 gr Nosler Accubond, that bullet has been excellent on Alaska game of all sizes.
I use 300wsm more than I use 308. Drops them dead everytime, cant be to dead 300 prc should do the same
As long as the impact velocity is under 2800fps you will be fine. That said, the Eldx is a crappy hunting bullet. Like you saw, the jacket separates from the core. Deer are easy to kill, so the bullet doesn't matter that much. For larger game use a bonded or monolithic bullet.
ApexKnives nah. I shot an elk with 212 eldx at 50 yards. Muzzle velocity was 3100. It did awesome out of my 300 rum
I like nosler accubonds, I’m shooting 180gr accubonds out of my 300win at 3180fps at the muzzle. Took a bull elk at 50 yards and it was a clean pass through, no mess. Elk went 20 yards. At that impact velocity I’m very happy that it did it’s job properly. Heart and lung broadside shot. Also took a big whitetail at 150 yards and again perfect performance.
Tons of boodshot meat anytime your using a super frangible cup and core bullet. They always go to pieces at those kind of velocities and blow up everything. Like you say crappy hunting bullets. I have been hunting the last couple years with a .220 Swift loaded with 45 grain Solid Copper GS HV bullets (deer and pigs) well over 4200. Little holes and tons of damage right where you want it and not everywhere else. Of course you could go the other way and use big bullets at low to medium velocities and achieve the same thing. Good luck in the field my friend.
I load a 300 wm and a 300 wsm for mule deer and elk. Both are 212 eldx. 300 wm is around 2980 and the wsm is 2870. I shoot a lot and have killed deer and elk out to almost 700 yards. Farthest track job was 30 yards down hill. Nothing beats a fast kill and I do not have a lot of meat loss unless I hit a major bone.
Took two mule deer this year with my Christensen arms MPR in 6.5 PRC. Both bucks dropped where they stood, one at 801 and the other 440 yards.
Scott that’s some great results! Can’t wait to finish my 6.5 PRC build!
I would say most magnums are over kill for deer, I've shot several with 7mm rem mag from 50 to 460 yards and I think it is over kill for deer, not one of them has taken a single step and hardly even kicked lol.. As far as long range hunting.. I think if you can't get closer than 500 yards time to work on your hunting skills.
Best comment here so far.
Shot one with my .243 that is my loaner/youth rifle this year. Didn't take a step. Too much gun for deer? I could have killed that same deer with my .223 if that was legal here.
The reality is that meat loss and other such "issues" with magnum cartridges have more to do with bullet selection and bullet placement than caliber and cartridge choice. A Berger from a .270 that hits the scapula will cause more meat loss than a Barnes from a .300 PRC through the ribs.
I could use less gun, but why would I? Dead is dead.
Mind you I'm also from Western Canada and like to run one rifle. Shots are long and animals are big so that may have a significant role in my opinion.
overkill is underrated. if they drop with no movement, flat out dead in one shot, you did it right. better than using a 22lr and watching it run in pain slowly dying scared.
Try hunting the sagebrush flats for elk when the brush is only half calf high. Getting closer than 500 yards is quite difficult with zero cover. I did manage to get to 408 yards on my last one.
I think if you can’t shoot beyond 500yds, you need to be retrained. With today’s calibers and optics, 500+ is a cake walk. Just like modern archery equipment. A 50yds shot was unspeakable in the 80’s. Now guys are taking elk at 100yds consistently. The only people who frown upon this are those still living in the past.
.300 PRC looks nice. I'm hunting with a .35 Whelen based on recommendations from friends in the know as I don't see myself engaging in shots further then 500 yards in a hunting scenario.
500yds when hunting is pretty far dude.
It is. I don't see the need to engage that far and everyone I'm learning from would take their shots at 5 yards if they could.
I killed 2 Muledeer in west Texas and have killed 5 Nilgai w my 300 PRC in the last 2 months. None of them have gone more than a couple of yards. I just tried to reload using Berger VLDH and had problems between touching the lands , went back to the Hornady ELDX w no seating problems. I’m not a very sophisticated reloader so the easier the better.
Awesome rifle and cartridge! I built a 6.5 Creedmoor and used it for my mule deer hunt with the 143 eld-x in my hand loads. Shot was inside 80 yds and turned lungs to jelly and blew the heart clean in half. It's my go to bullet..
I don't own a 300PRC, but I do have a 7LRM which is the same case in 7mm. Both are a 375 Ruger basic necked down to 30cal and 7mm. The main thing to consider is the slowest velocity the bullet you're using is designed to "reliably" perform at to get an idea of your max effective range. Most bullets are designed to reliably expand down to 1,800 - 2,000fps. Since you can shoot the same bullet in a 308 provided it's throated for it and the twist rate is correct, you will hit that velocity at different distances. Shooting a deer at 100yds with that bullet thru a 308win is on par with shooting a deer with that same bullet at 400yds with a 300prc. (that's an example. I haven't put data in app yet to compare exactly, but you get the idea). So, NO. A 300PRC is not overkill for a deer because range is still a variable. If a deer gets hit "in the vitals" with a 210gr ELD-X traveling at 2,300fps, it has no idea if it was shot by a 308win from 100yds or a 300PRC from 400yds, but results will be the same.
Jared, your answer is v confusing. You make valid argument and then you contradict yourself and then loose the point. The question "Is a 300 PRC an over kill" relates meat damage and although the deer is dead from whatever shot it, it makes a difference to what you eat. No need for a cannon at close range when the cannon is best suited for much larger game at much longer ranges. Yes range is a variable but its important when using the appropriate weapon. There's a reason ppl use bush rifles or plains rifles for similar sized animals at different ranges.
@@csjrogerson2377 No Contradiction here. The point I was making was the question: "Is the 300PRC overkill for deer" isn't enough information for a yes or no answer. The damage to meat from that Hornady bullet in question fired from a 308win at 100yds is going to do the same amount of damage as that same exact bullet fired from a 300PRC from 400-500yds. That's because they will both be hitting at the exact same impact velocity. The question did not state the range at which the rifle was fired or where the animal was hit. If everyone agrees a 308win fired from 100yds isn't overkill, then a 300PRC fired from 400-500yds isn't either. They will be impacting with the same velocity and energy. It's not any more devastating at longer range than a 308 at a closer range just because it came from a bigger case. No Black Magic or Sorcery here... That was my point. A Hornady 210 ELD-X impacting at 2,300fps is still a Hornady 210 ELD-X impacting at 2,300fps whether it's fired from a 308win at 100yds, or from a 300PRC from 400-500yds. 2,300fps is well within the velocity range for that bullet to reliability perform and expand on game. But one cannot give a "Blanket Yes or No" answer to that question w/o knowing how far the shot is and where the animal is being hit. Plus every animal is different and no two shots are ever the same. All we can do is generalize. I hope that helps.
I know what you are trying to say, but the comparison to a 300 PRC at 500 v a 308 at 100 is not really relevant, but it does infer that a 300 PRC at less that 500yds, eg 200 yds, is gonna give the deer a real good kicking and ruin the meat. You might aswel say that a 338 lapua is not too much gun for a squirrel - if you fire it from 4000yds. So why don't we stick to the generality of normal ethical hunting ranges v the appropriate calibre. In which case you can be over-gunned with any big hitter v smaller game. My friend in South Africa, where I have also hunted, hand loads his 270 coz factory loads turn antelope into jelly at the ranges we shoot them. So he uses 150gr Nosler's with a reduced load to keep mv to less than 2500fps. I use a Tikka 30-06, 180 gr SP (to keep mv down) and I think my Tikka is a bit too much for smaller antelope at normal ranges. Much better for Kudu and Nyala. Good shot placement is assumed in all cases.
I had the Problem with Eld-x 180grain in .300WSM that i had a lot of meat to cut away and throw away from Red Deer and Roe and Pig.
Now i load the Flitzer from Lutz Möller and i can Hunt from 10 to 200 kg (or even more) every kind of Wildgame without throwing away any meet!
I wouldnt believe it first but it works more than great.
Overkill is always better than no kill or worse wounding ( meat damage notwithstanding)...Shot placement is more important than caliber. However large capacity cases extend your effective range out to the distance that the cartridge is capable of providing the minimum foot pounds energy needed for penetration for a quick death. Congratulations on a fine harvest. P.S. In my opinion jacket separation is not good, but neither is a small wound channel that goes in small and out small...
Agree
Mr. Strohmeyer, I recently subscribed to your channel, and have really enjoyed your videos. I have a question about your Browning BARs (25-06 & 300 Win Mag) if memory serves. Knowing you handload, do you know the maximum COAL the BAR in 300 win mag, with regards to the magazine, as well as the headspace, jump to lands? Can it be a 1 MOA rig?
Thanks again
R. Pierce
@@WesternReloader Semi Autos are touchy about COL and are prone to case stretch even after once firing. Also shoulder set back is equally important for proper chambering. I usually go by the bullet makers recommended COL. Yes the BAR's can be MOA with the right loads.
@@davestrohmeyer-saddleupsho8009 thanks for the input sir
Nice harvest !!! My goto round is 308WIN with 150 Hornady Inter Lock at 100 yards give or take.
While I don’t have a 300 PRC, my 300 Win mag and 300 Short mag perform flawlessly. In my youth I was trained for longer shots but unfortunately, age does catch up so using learned stalking skills comes in handy for closer ranges as we progress in age.
my 30.06 would go right trough a red stag or hind at 75 yards .& the projectile would stay together .
I'm old and worried about my eyes... I wouldn't take a shot longer than 300 yards on anything but a pig/rockchuck/coyote...
How much destruction did the bullet do to the meat? I hunt all from roe deer to moose from 0 to 100 meters here in Norway with the Lapua Mega bullet in. 308w and i'm very happy with this bullet.
I am curious as to how much hydrostatic shock damage was impacted into the meat too.
Ya kno I use a little 308 for everything. Neck shots no meet is waisted. And I pretty confident at about 800. But for me it's about the stalk get as close as you can... now that's a rush !
I'd say the 6.5 PRC would be the right choice but either way, PRC FTW!
I run a 700 long range in 300wm. The stock is nice and it is a classic 700 action, which isn’t saying a lot but at least it’s buildable. The barrel that came on the gun was junk, my gunsmith said Remington miss drilled the chamber in relation to the bore. Had it rebuilt by Mile High Shooting north of Denver with a Bartlin 26 inch light Palma. Wanted to shoot the 200 grain ELDX but it wouldn’t group better than 1-1/2 minutes at any distance. Been running 190 gold medal match with good success, 1/2 minute groups as far as I could find to shoot it, which has been about 800 yards. 215 Bergers have been around 3/4 minute and 195 Hornady match is running right around 5/8”. I have read that a lot of people love the 200 grain ELDX, but I’ve never personally met anyone that shoots them with any kind of accuracy. I know that a lot of people are going to cringe about the match ammo and hunting, but just as many people that have actually tried it and or researched it will agree that a lot of match ammo make for really great hunting rounds. I would love to shoot dedicated hunting round but they just don’t seem to fly true. I’ve tried everything from Hornady Nosler Bergers Barnes and others in the 30 caliber and none of them fly worth a darn in this rifle. What kind of success have you had with the 212 ELDX? Do they fly better than the 200s from say a 300 WM? I would like to use an actual hunting round to hunt with, but if they don’t fly straight I’d rather hit the mark with a match round that I’ve had good success with in the past.
I use the 300 WM. Furthest kill shot I ever had was 200 yards. But that's extremely rare here in northern Vermont.
6.5-284 norma (very similar ballistics to 6.5prc) ELD-X 143g excellent terminal ballistics.
ive see great results. theoretically if the bullet expands less at slower velocities, Farther range, it will increase penetration capabilities. that's a good thing, more entry into the vitals.
When hunting with a hyper velocity cartridge your standard cup and core lead is not up to the task. It will fail as yours did. Regardless of brand and wonderful claims by the manufacturer. Choose a monolithic projectile or a bonded projectile. They will penetrate and hold together. It's not the caliber but your choice of bullet in this case. I bush hunt and use a 250 grain Barnes in 45/70. 450 Marlin. Results are devastating. If I head to the fields it's a 110 Barnes in .270. If using monolithic projectiles they have a longer bearing surface per weight so you may have to use a lesser weight bullet as per twist. You have the most organized well kept loading room in America. How would you like to come and clean up my pig sty.
I would not consider really 2800-2900 fps to be 'hyper-velocity'; but, the bullet should hold together, granted...
Killed the buck instantly - no failure. Core jacket separation was from the high velocity impact. Core made it all the way through while the jacket was under the hide with the buck drt. How is that a failure?
Wouldn’t really call that a failure lmao. A failure is a deer that gets a few hundred yards away and you have to track it. That would be failure with 300prc
You can use whatever cartridge you want. The only time anything would be “overkill” is when you enter the rounds that could be considered artillery.
I've hunted white tail with 5.56 monolithic and they always drop in place, I also don't shoot them out at range, typically around the 30-150 yard range. Even then I'm not a fan of shooting beyond the 100 yard mark with .223
I'm going to get a 6.5 creedmoor to replace the .223 as my deer and coyote rifle little more energy, little more accurate, little less affordable lol.
I think of it like this whether you're setting up an elk rifle that you might use for deer or are you setting up a deer rifle that you might use on elk. In one instance the 300s (prc, win mag) are perfect. In the other instance id probably go a little smaller,I really like the 270 wsm. But hell shoot what you want, it's always fun to try new rifles and loads.
I have always been a long time supporter of bigger is better yet decided to try deer hunting with my daughters Christiansen arms mesa in 6.5 creed. It’s an awesome gun shoots great feels great and light to pack around. I have it set up with a small leupold that runs out of dial at 650 yards and have 143 grain eldx hand loads, not bad for a kids first gun right! Anyways I found a nice Buck chasing does at 605 yards, practice this far all the time no problem right? Wrong I made the mistake of taking a shoulder shot like I would have with my 300 prc and the Buck ran off into brush where I couldn’t get a second shot. I reviewed footage and it was perfect placement. So I took my time getting around the canyon and found blood easily in the foot of snow. Followed the trail up and over the ridge top about 450 yards uphill to find a bed that was empty!!! I pulled out and returned next morning to end the blood trail over a mile further before it stopped bleeding. I found several bloody beds in the timber and never recovered the deer! That’s a first for me so is 300 prc overkill absolutely not! Hunt with a caliber you can handle the recoil on and lose less animals.
300 win mag with 220 eldx hand load maybe 130-140 yards quartering slightly towards. Bullet went in leading edge of front shoulder and did not exit
300 PRC is a great round if you want to hunt and compete in ELR or something. But if it’s strictly for hunting, I don’t think it gives you any more usable capability than some older cartridges.
I think 300prc is more suited for elr target shooting in my opinon,competition shooting. The price and availability of this calibre is insane,i was going to purchase a 300prc rifle but theres not enough companies making 300prc ammo.
Mantle core separation isn't "this cartridge did really well" in my book, though.
Besides that it's more the bullet than the cartridge, but that's a different story
While in general your right...this cartridge/bullet selection was never intended to drop game at 50yards...most magnum non bonded bullets will flat out grenade with such a shot through the ribs, let alone one through the shoulder...on the upside, a 212gr bullet that sheds its jacket is still likely a 150+ grain lead slug that’s opened up to an ungodly dimension...that bullet at 2-300yards would likely not separate. But I wouldn’t be overly stressed if it did.
@@seanmetzger4780 And that's why non-bonded bullets aren't good hunting bullets.
For the record: no criticism from my side for the use in this situation, but I don't agree with the analysis. Makes it sound like the bullet would be a great choice when whipping together a hunting load
Knut Pohl I don’t follow the it must be bonded train of thought...if your talking from a magnum rifle then I’ll agree with you...but at standard short action rifle velocities, non bonded bullets have done the trick for a century.
being a sportsman first and shooter secondly. If you do shoot at extended distances, I am glad you are using enough gun to be "ballistically ethical" better 300 PRC than any 22 caliber or any 6mm . yes the 6mm's have there place but when you are stretching a cartridges legs and having sub 1800fps -1850fps impacts, sectional density, sheer bullet weight, frontal diameter and energy ft/lbs becomes your friend. all of which the 300 PRC has in spades
Took a nice moose with 300 PRC 180 yards Hunter ELDX perfect bullet for the job stayed together moose only took three steps. Had the same experience with 6.5 Creedmoor Hunter ELDX
I have 6.5 PRC and 243 Win to hunt with in bolt guns. Just bought the PRC and am looking forward to next watching the build series on 6.5 PRC
I’ve recovered some SST bullets out of hogs, the core also separated from the jacket
Eldx and eldm I call them slip outs cause the core usually leaves the jacket with my experience.
but your recovering the animals and the core and jacket our found together on the offside of the hide....soooo whats your point?
Because you want an exit hole.
If you get core separation in soft flesh or light bone it will lead to inconsistent results if it hits heavy bone. "It's all about shot placement". Yes, and that's all well and good if you spend enough time at the range shooting at varying ranges, angles and weather conditions, which I'm sure you do but many hunters (including myself) don't, and if you can guarantee the animal doesn't move.
@@lancevaughn5337 why? It's best if all of the energy is transferred into the animal.
Duck Slayer
Energy, all but a small amount, is transferred in the first 6-8inches. An exit hole allows more blood to escape. Bullets like the A’frame, Partition, Accubond, and Barnes have proven themselves as hunting Bullets all over the world on a huge variety of game. In some cases, the bullets I mention have been successful for many decades. Core and jacket separation with bullets is not a good thing. But, to each his own. Safe and successful hunting to you and yours.
Had a 120 yard shot on a whitetail. Using 7x57 140 gr hornady sst. Found only the jacket on the inside of the hide on the opposite side. He was still dead so it was all good.
28 Nosler with Berger 195s and a 300 PRC shooting the cutting edge 230 grain bullets. Both drop the hammer for sure, I’d take either one with me any day
I would definitely hunt with the 300 prc.
My neighbor hunts whitetails with a 338 lapua and he has had the stomach explode multiple times even if it's a perfect shot, I wonder how this would differ
Congrats on the deer and a great shot. Some would say it’s overkill because essentially you could have used a .243. I personally don’t think it’s over kill. Yes it’s a lot of gun on a deer at 100 yds but if that deer is at 600? Then it’s nice to have that extra energy for a marginal shot. The ethics police can argue all day long in this, but let’s face it, when it comes to hunting, not every shot is perfect and it doesn’t always go the way we want. Things happen. I like to error on the side of caution and usually use a higher caliber. Great video again
Since when is hitting a deer in the shoulder a great shot? That whole front quarter is fucked.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I agree. And who shoot a deer at 600 yds. If you cant get inside 250 yds dont take the shot. 30 06 and 308 is all 30 cal you need.
@@robertpetersson1390 I have a funny feeling he is way more than capable to make a 600 yard shot on a rabbit, let alone a deer. Quick ethical kill is all that really matters. Shoulder shot, not for me, wrecks too much meat. Everyone is different in capabilities and opinions. That's the nice one nice thing about living in America!
@@robertpetersson1390 if you have the right gun 600 yards is easy. 800 is where it seems to get hard. With practice you can hit 600 every time.
People can take long range shots, that doesn't make you less of a hunter etc. Idk why people wanna make that point. Like it's not real hunting or something.
My 300 rum will go trough an elk at 150 yards using copper solid bullets and it won’t damage the meat as much as lead bullets used to.
Do you have pictures of the wound channel meat damage? How much bloodshot meat was there?
At that distance you could have used a 150gr 30-30 and most likely eaten right up to the hole.
Tons of boodshot meat anytime your using a super frangible cup and core bullet. They always go to pieces at those kind of velocities and blow up everything. I have been hunting the last couple years with a .220 Swift loaded with 45 grain Solid Copper GS HV bullets well over 4200. Little holes and tons of damage right where you want it and not everywhere else. Of course you could go the other way and use big bullets at low to medium velocities and acheve the same thing. Good luck in the field my friend.
@@luchacefox259 learned this using precision hunter in my 308 this year. Worked but looked like a truck hit the rib cage.
I was thinking the same thing regarding 30-30. It still takes more deer every year than any other cartridge. There is a good reason why it is still in use after 125 years- it works. No muss, no fuss, no earth-shattering kaboom, and no destroyed animals.
Sure, if you like eating lungs and deer ribs it’ll save you 10 pounds!
.30-06 180 sierra spbt at 2875
GRENADES up close, expands pretty well out to 400 (as far as I can attest) and I ALREADY OWN IT ;)
Love the innovations taking place, but can't justify the costs to abandon the old girl.
Dad. 75 yards 300 Win Mag. You don't have anything bigger? I had a 300 blackout with 198 grn Lehigh Defense ME round.
For deer any thing over a 30/06 is over kill I use a .243 power point at 400 yards 22” barrel!!!!
Mule deer are tough. I shot a whitetail with my 28 Nosler with a 195 Berger, I also thought that was too much. That thing knocked the deer over and it never moved after that. It hit the deer at 300 yards and still carried 3200ft/lbs
Yes - I will hunt with the 300 PRC. I already hunt with my 300 RUM for bear, elk and moose. I also hunt with my 7mm RUM and my 338 RUM. Elan and Kudu in Africa came down with a single shot each 338 RUM and 300 RUM respectfully.
Just picked up a christensen arms 300prc as an all around hunting rifle for deer, elk, bear, and wolf with the ELDX
I'm hunting with a .308 (Savage 11 bolt action) and a 450 Bushmaster (AR platform)
just sent the action to my gunsmith to have a 300PRC build, Bighorn Origin LA, 26" heavy varmint barrel 1:8 twist, looking at deers within 600 yds.
I recently had a 26 Nosler made with a 30" 1×8 twist barrel. It shoots clover leafs at a 100. With a good charge of RL-33. Last year i used the Hornady 143 eldx. The buck was 250 yard. That Hornady bullet hit the deer in the shoulder and blew up like a granade. I would not use those bullets on anything larger than deer. This year i developed a load using the Barnes 127 LRx. Its shot great but hunting sucked. So next year field trials. I have used Barnes in all my guns that i use for big game. I think Hornady eldx line of bullets are for smaller thin skinned game at most
D k I hunt with a 7mm Rem Mag and had trouble finding a projectile that grouped well and had good terminal performance on game. I tried several brands, and the projectile that I discovered worked the best on game from close to long distance for me was Berger VLD. I’m trying the 180 instead of 168 next season, but give Berger’s a shot. From large Whitetail to coyote at varying distances, they performed the same and the animals had practically no time before expiring. The bullet does fragment, but the damage is more like a rpg with a shaped cone of destruction than just a shallow grenade. Great penetration and magnificent damage
@@officerfoxtrot3633 Thank you much.🙂 I love any sort of gun input. For game I have steer a bit clear from bullets like the Ballistic tips and most all bullets that aren't bonded cores or monolithic. I have not tried the VLDs for anything than target shooting. So, far there are two deer and three elk where i have hit bone with those bullets with ugly results. Crazy how far an animal can run with a destroyed shoulder (and other boney places). I haven't had that problem with heavy constructed bullets. I think the Hornady GMX would be great. As for the Berger bullets at longer range and lower velocities i think they would be fine. Your going to a 180gr is a very good idea. You cant beat mass, its all got to go somewhere. That leads to another point. I can shoot a 127gr Barnes at high velocity and the bullet will travel the length of the animal and still be close to 127gr. Other bullets shed a good percentage of their mass within the first 4-6" after impact. If an animal spins or jumps at the last moment that optimum shot isnt so optimum. Sorry about being long winded. I love these subjects.
D k I do as well. Lol. Don’t think yourself long winded, my favorite term would be “passionate.” 😂
I know what you mean in referencing bullet weight retention. The Berger vld bullets were originally designed for target and it was later discovered they did pretty well in hunting situations. But they definitely do not retain their weight. I believe Berger’s own data says they shed 60-80% of their weight in 18 inches of fleshy targets. For me, I prefer the bullet shedding it’s weight (and energy) into the target in that distance. Right now, I’m only hunting Whitetail. And if anything, I’m over gunned already so I don’t mind dumping that energy over the excess penetration I would have. I have hit deer in the spine, shoulders, and ribcage. I’ve used Winchester Ballistic Silvertips, PowerPoint HP’s, and the Berger’s for good results. Hornady SST’s zipped through deer without causing enough hydrostatic shock to even make them react much less drop.
D k and another mention. I tricked out a Mosin as a project for a budget long range practice rifle where I could practice windage and holdover at longer ranges with a cheap caliber, and I hunted with it this deer season for grins. I had a surprising result. I shot a doe on the run during a drive at around 100 yards dead broadside. I was using 180 grain Soft Point S&B factory Ammo. The bullet impacted the front leg at the joint on the bottom of the body cavity, went through vitals, and out the opposite leg through the same joint. Broke both front legs. I took a follow up shot as she was struggling and spinning attempting to continue fleeing. The bullet grazed her right rear leg, entered into the body just in front of the right ham. Then it traveled through her entire body cavity, and came to a stop after exiting the ribcage and impacting the front left shoulder. The 180 grain soft point penetrated at least 24-30 inches of tissue before stopping, and I was surprised to find the bullet was around 50% of its weight retained. I thought it wouldn’t have held together or penetrate that deep, but it did.
I haven’t gotten into reloading yet, but I imagine it’s just a matter of time. When I do, I’m going to be doing a lot of experimentation with loads and projectiles to discover what my guns like the best. I always like talking tech with guns, and always seem to learn new things when I do. Thanks 😊
@@officerfoxtrot3633 Funny! We must be living parallel lives or something. My uncle it a collector of any and all things Finnish. He love the culture. So, he gives me this old beat up Mohsin M-39. One of those where they counter bored the barrel 4" to get to rifling. Never use those steel cleaning rods. So, anyway. I have a dear friend who is a master machinist and makes rifle barrels. He made me a .308 dia. 6-grove match grade barrel with a 1x10 twist. At our ranges there are ppl who compete with old military guns. I got a whole bunch of Lapua match brass and moly coated 185gr Sierra Match Kings. And shooting IMR-4895. Not a stiff load eventhough the action is good. That gun looks like its off the rack and shoots a 3/4 inch group at 100yrd. When my eyes are focused (getting older eyes vision sucks a bit) ... i want to cast heavy bullets for it for MILITARY rifle silhouette day. Its a fun gun to shoot. Haven't shot game with it yet. Still enamoured with my 26 Nosler with a 30" barrel.
My current favorite is a Seekins Precision Havak Bravo in 6.5 PRC. Don’t know if I would move up to a 300 PRC. The old .308 was my favorite for many years, before moving to a 6.5 Creedmoor.
I shot my deer with this year a 6.5 creedmoor. perfect heart shot, no meat damage. two years ago used my 7mm mag, which was way too much power for a deer gun imo. 6.5 creedmoor is the way
Really no such thing as “overkill” on big game... As sportsman our job is to kill as quickly as possible, always go with the biggest you can accurately shoot.. Just make sure to use solid/monolithic bullets..
that is exactly what I was going to comment . so I will just go along with your comment. well said
“Just make sure to use solid/mono bullets”
Pass
Agree!
Building a rifle in .300 PRC specifically TO hunt. Heavy high BC bullets, better performance than .300 Win Mag while burning less powder than the .300 RUM.
It’s the replacement for the a-max essentially. Great for deer but I’m leaning towards interlock or partitions for elk inside 400yd.
Taking my 300 PRC to Africa in May 2024 for plains game. Will use it on larger plains game like Wildebeest and Kudu. Also taking my 6.5 CM for the smaller antelope species. Furthest shots should be 400 to 500 yards in the area we are hunting. I’m confident in both rounds for the intended species.
In the east where most deer are shot between 75 and 125 yards, this is drastically too much cartridge! I'd down load 308 with a short barrel or use the trusty old 250 Savage. Got my black bear this year with the 250 Savage w/20" barrel. 100 grain Remington and he was one and done, on the spot!
I once read that you don't want any bullet to enter an animal at a speed above 2600 ft/sec as the hydrostatic shock damages tissue at large distances from the wound tract, ruining meat and increasing lead dispersion through the usable protein essentially ruining a high percentages of the meat.
How would the 300 prc compare to the 325 WSM...
I love shooting long distance on mule deer. Finding an advantage spot and glassing for big bucks. I took a 5x4 at 738 yards. He fell on the side of the mountain and I thought I had missed because it look like he was still standing, so I shot again. Finally I saw his ear drop and he was dead. It took me about 3 hours to get down the mountain I was on and get thru the thicket where he was. The bullet holes were about an inch apart, so I had hit him both shots. I was not shooting a 300 PRC but a 300 Weatherby Magnum. I think around 2800 to 2850 is a magic number for Velocities and accuracy for the 30 cals. Anyway, yep... great wide open range rifle for those long distance heart shots :)
300 win mag Christensen arms mesa titanium. For deer shoot 200 grain Hornady ELDx
I’ve been shooting cheap steel case 124 gr. Hp 7.62x39 out of my cz carbine. I shot a doe at 400 yards and dropped her in her tracks. Fun little cartridge. I bought it for my girlfriend, but ended up deciding to use it myself. I love it.
.270 w/150 gr Rem Core Lokt has anchored every buck I shot. Where I hunt, avg distance 340 yes. Ballistics says 900+ ft lbs at 300yds. Honestly, my Rem model 7600 w/22" 1 in 9" twist shoots straight and has dropped deer, black bear, antelope, elk and moose. The moose took 2 steps. I say whatever you use to humanely take your game is good. 1,000 yds shot placement with a humane kill seems problematic regardless of caliber. Nice buck dude! Good shot.
Im working on a 300 PRC now. Setting up for long range target and match however will use for long range hunts. On a whitetail i think it is a bit much at distance closer than 200 yards. 2000 ft lbs is alot of energy. However i think i would just use a lighter bullet and or drop the charge down to limit the energy for those distances. However i plan to go out west and go after some Elk so the versatility will be needed. Plus ive always wanted a magnum rifle. So ill be getting it all
My friend shot a big buck with a 300 rum and he said he would never do that again. He went back to a 270 for deer hunting. Said that it tore the deer all up
here in michigan we can only use straight walled rifle cartridges 35 cal and bigger (in the shotgun zone aka lower half). we use 12 gauge 2-3/4oz slugs which are insanely powerful. i dont see overkill at all. if it drops with no pain and suffering, job done now time to carve up some dinner
Well said!
No such thing as "too much gun" when it comes to an ethical kill. Personal, I love huge recoil and shoot many large calabers. Just picked up a 300 prc today to replace my 338 Lapua as my go to long range hunting rig for all manner of critters. For close up shots it's either my 375 H&H, 416 Rigby or the venerable 45-70. So shoot what you like and comfortable with.
Btw you talked me into the Bergara B-14 wilderness hmr 6.5prc.
Glad to help in any way I can! :)
for anyone wondering, it's a PLEASURE to shoot
I have a 12 lb rifle, a big recoil pad and the apollo max compensator
I swear it's the same as my 308 that I shot out of a light rifle with no muzzle brake, shoot, my 308 used to have crazy barrel rise
Just bought a savage 110 LRH in 300 prc, very much considering using it for hunting once I get it sighted in.
Cartridge is new to me 2/12/2021
Sound's excellent. It is over kill for deer but I would hunt deer with about a 150 grn bullet. Cartridge sounds fabulous for ELR fun. Will be learning more about this new find.
speed kills 22-250 inside of 300 yards 52gr eldm at 3750 is enough the guy who processed my deer last year said what did you shoot this thing with stop it's too much... it drops them
Nice buck and great channel.
Thanks 👍
would a better way to tell to see how damaged the meat was? Also is anyone else freaked out about lead in your meat? They make all copper bullets...how do those perform in hunting?
Hornady should give release some ammo at different power levels, like the 'Remington' in 300 UM treatment, offering 3 levels of power, say one level at .308, another at 300 H&H, and the last at full power...
Gavin,
A couple of points. Love how you use data. Hard to beat and argue facts. I really appreciate you bringing up ethics. Something I think people are forgetting these days when harvesting game.
2nd, Hornady markets the ELDX as a hunting bullet you can shoot a match with. I have seen several ELDX’s with cup core separation like you had. A saw an antelope get harvested at 372 yards with a 30-06. Had 5 exit wounds. I will not use the ELDX on game for that reason. Especially Elk.
For all the people complaining about the ELDX separation. The ELDX was not designed for sub 400 yard shots, it was designed for superior balistics beyond 400 yards. Me personally I save my expensive ELDX rounds for when I need to reach out beyond what my federal trophy rounds can do.
Love hunting with my 300 win mag. You don’t always get that perfect shot opportunity on an animal that you aren’t willing to let get away. When that happens, I’m glad I’m not shooting a barely adequate caliber... Those eldx bullets are just a match bullet in a different box.
You are absolutely correct.
I use a 257 Roy on deer and elk and never had a problem. 1 shot kills using 100gr Barnes TTSX.
Kills like lightning out to my personal maximum of 500 yds and under.
I agree, you MUST prepare for that less than perfect shot situation. “Use Enough Gun” - Robert Ruark.
For white tail almost every rifle round larger than .223 is more than enough to kill them with a less than perfect shot. If you're talking bigger game like elk then I understand, but unless you're trying to shoot white tail from mouth to asshole a .300 WM is not necessary just to ensure you get a kill. 30-30 has killed millions of deer over the years, it's not like all of them were perfect shots.
I have a weird .300 WinMag Savage with a *THICK* full Bull 18" barrel (about the same ballistics as a 308 with a 24ish Barrel) that I've been debating on switching to the same setup but in .300 PRC just. To see what happens. I'm a hard stalk type of hunter so I like my game sub 500yds preferably under 250. My set up is perf for big buck while having good handling. I also think a full 26" .300 PRC build would be a bit much for that type of work but like my guy said I'd rather ensure more room for a clean and instant kill than fuck up my kentuck windage and botch it. I owe that to the animal. Even if they only make it a couple yards I hate it when they jump up and kick, makes me feel horrible every time.
Now that I think about it I was gonna turn my 28" 7mm Rem to .375 H&H, but maybe well PRC that one with a 26" and see how it fairs. Biggest thing I hunt is elk so I guess I dont really *NEED* .375 H&H
Nice buck, gotta love it when they come to you.
I’ve been interested in 300 PRC for awhile. I’ve been looking into some of the Christensen rifles.
Look at seekins precision. Less $ and way better that Christiansen. Trust me, I invested years in trying to get my christensen to shoot. Christensen told me that will never be better than a 1 and 1/2 MOA gun. Well for me that won't work. My seekins shoots Factory ammo at. 7 moa
@@jbarjj2715 I agree! Seekins or bergara for sure. I've heard too many "hit or miss" stories about Christiansen. They are not bad guns but for almost 2k.......they better be perfect and I've heard that they aren't.
I would, but l've been hunting with the 300 RUM for the past 15 years and have taken multiple mule deer and elk with it at over 400 yards, not a single animal has taken a step after being shot with it.
My kid calls his 300 rum his Whop a tow rifle. I've literally seen deer do a back flip when hit !!
I bought a Christensen Arms Ridgeline in 300PRC. I wanted to shoot it for fun at distance and hunt with it. It doesn’t shoot super accurate yet, but maybe when I start reloading it will. I sent the gun in to be checked out and I’m waiting the results. But it will shoot minute of deer. So I plan on using it for hunting. Good gun, but I had problems with getting 3 shots in MOA consistently.
I have a 300 Win Mag, which is very similar to 300 PRC, and I wouldn't have any problem taking a deer with it.