Rey should have said "just Rey" at the end. It's a callback to the beginning when she doesn't know how to answer to the little girl but this time she says it with confidence, showing her journey.
I feel really bad for the actress, she's a victim for Rian Johnson's dumb character....But its was totally hilarious..Everyone's going on an adventure, and the story is like "NO YOU STAY!"
One thing I'm shocked no one ever talks about is how stupid it is that kylo gets Luke's lightsaber and rey gets leia's. Rey was following what luke wanted for her, she wanted to be part of Luke's family. Kylo was called back from the dark side by his mother, and he never forgave Luke trying to kill him. The only reason I see for them getting their repsective lightsaber is because one was a ""boy"" lightsaber and the other was a ""girl"" lightsaber. (I realize this is 7 months late, but w/e)
Also the amusing notion that Kylo takes up this saber like it's Excalibur, having thrown away his own one. The most notable deeds done pre-ST with that weapon are the crippling of Mace Windu, the summary execution of Count Dooku and the dismemberment of a a room full of children.
@@JohannDakitsch It also didn't help that they were using blue sabers in a very blue place - amusing as Luke's saber was green because Lucas and Marquand realised they were shooting its first appearance against a blue sky and changed the colour for that reason. Added to that, Kylo's fight with the Knights is pretty incoherent and they're all dudes in black with weapons that don't light up (anyone else find it weird that they didn't get vibro/plasma blades like Snoke's guards?)
I guess, it all comes down to the notion that Leia is a Skywalker. I think what JJ tried to do: Make a story in which Leia Organa accepts herself as a Skywalker. Like, accept Luke as his brother and accepts Vader as someone who was redeemed. Abrams seemed to be obsessed in closing abandoned storylines from the Original Trilogy, and this probably is one of them. I speculate that there were lots of scenes about Leia coming to terms with her legacy that were left behind. So, Rey does it for her. TRoS is about Leia (and the Jedi) using Rey as a puppet, so this idea wouldn't be so crazy.
I'll never forget I had to use the bathroom during the movie, and when I got back I asked my wife what happened and she said "Oh Chewy was blown up in a space ship but we already know he's fine."
Palpatine was able to intercept the force connection between Rey and Kylo, but thanks to Nord VPN you don't have to worry about anyone stealing your force connection
"It doesn't matter that she blew up a ship full of prisoners because none of them were named characters" might be THE MOST Star Wars thing in this entire movie.
I thought that woman at the work end was going to turn out to be Aunt Beru. She’d be all like, ‘oh yeah, I actually survived. I just never told Luke, for some reason’
@@shakespeare4bears run, don't walk, to Darths & Droids, where (spoiler alert) Owen and Beru are canonically alive and amongst the Rebel commandos assaulting the Peace Moon's shield generator on the Endor moon.
I honestly cannot believe the last line wasn't: "Just Rey." But said contentedly with a smile, in contrast to the last time she said it where it was said with insecurity and a bit of sadness, to symbolize that it doesn't matter anymore who her biological family was (and they sucked harder than could be imagined) because she has a new family with her friends in the resistance and family names don't apply so she can be "just Rey" and it's fine. Like when she paused before answering I was actually feeling a little bit of emotion in anticipation of the line that I was sure had to be coming. Instead what had become the familiar feeling of empty confusion returned, only this time there wasn't a new scene to make me forget the dumb thing that had just happened.
also Finn, Poe, and Rose should've been there too, and the old lady would ask all of them for their full names, and Finn would look over at Poe and say "Finn Dameron."
"I think the worst thing a franchise ending can do is make you feel kind of stupid and embarrassed for being so excited for it in the first place." Game of Thrones fans relate.
Audrey - Knowing the kind of pure joy Jenny derived from Star Wars, that statement is so damn sad. It reminds me of the tragedy of watching someone break a promise to a child and then mock the kid for having been excited by what they were promised. : (
Except the Sequels were bad from the start, but TFA left a chance for a Sequel to repair it's damage, TLJ threw that chance out the window. TROS is just spitting on a dead corpse.
ideal: hux doesn't get shot and goes on an adventure with the leads, but ALSO kylo reforms earlier in the film, so they end up on the same side again by accident and the vibes on the ship have never been worse
And then Rey becomes Darth Rey, and joins the First Order, and eventually both sides are functionally the same as they were originally, just with different names.
@@alexs0s I mean, Reddit might disagree with you, but... How I see it, Rey and Darth Rey are two different people. Darth Rey is actually the real actress, Daisy Ridley, who took spice one day and was transposed into the Star Wars galaxy. Daisy then turned to the Dark Side in a bid to find the knowledge to get home. Upon becoming a Sith, she changed her name to Darth Rey. Now, in order for Rey to "become" Darth Rey, she would have to quite literally shapeshift into the role--mind, body and spirit--which I believe is indeed possible if you utilitze the principle of the Rey Eternal and let down your Rey Shields.
To me the issue with this trilogy is that they had all of these ideas but very few ideas on how to do anything impactful or effective with them. Like they think "maybe we should have a more diverse cast with a female lead" and "maybe a main character is a reformed storm trooper" and "what if Leia and Han's son is turned to the dark side" but they don't think about it further than that. Like Jenny said, it's just a list of things.
Blame the Fandom Menace. Rian Johnson expanded on those ideas. Rey had dark side tendencies and longed for a family, only to find out her parents weren't anyone special. Ren turns more to the dark side and longs to be supreme leader which he ultimately does in TLJ. Finn, while a former storm trooper, still didn't see what the resistance was fighting for until he sees enslaved people often overlooked during the war, and the greedy wealthy who sweep things under the rug. Some really angry fans didn't want to accept these plot developments and Disney caved to shallow nostalgia. If only RJ (who btw was closest in showing us what GL intended for the sequels) had directed the sequels, we would have not gotten a soft reboot of the OT.....if only......
If it was anyone but JJ, I would say for sure there was a plan and Rian just crapped all over it/made it unusable. But I've seen enough of Lost and Star Trek, that I wouldn't actually bet money on it.
@@sebastianbelcher5354 I'll admit, I had my fair share of issues with TLJ, but if TROS had at least continued what that movie started then the trilogy as a whole would've still been so much better. But no, Disney and JJ decided to just pretend it never happened I guess. It's crazy how (at least imo) even Colin Treverrows version would've been better than whatever we got.
@@la_scrittice_vitabruh, JJ is clearly the one who crapped all over this project. He proved he is a terrible director with hack ideas. TFA speaks for itself and RoS proves he has never known wtf he is doing.
"The worst thing a franchise ending can do is make you feel kind of stupid and embarrassed for being so excited about it in the first place." - Jenny Nicholson I realy felt that :'(
@@witchflowers6942 I definitely fell asleep with autoplay on and somehow managed to leave this comment. Regardless, I stand by my demands. Just let me know.
So I had Ep 9 spoiled for me ages ago. I read synopsis and commentaries on it, watched videos (including this one!), but only just tonight watched the film first hand. Did all of that predispose me to things? Yes. But I was also catching onto things that people weren't mentioning. The film had a frantic editing style to it, minor details like characters handing objects between each others hands didn't get shown. One minute Rey is holding the knife, then on the camera cut 3P0 is holding it. That sort of minor thing is EVERYWHERE in this film. And then there's the literal copying JJ did of the climaxes of Empire and Return of the Jedi. His idea for 7, 8, and 9 was to repeat 4, 5, and 6 in the big respects. Yikes.
@@ea5145 The only time I saw people trying to insist that was when it was initially new, then everyone chilled with the culture war stuff on both ends and we all agreed it was a hack job of a film.
@skankhunt42 Dexter taught me to just jump ship on Walking Dead when I found myself actively not enjoying myself watching it anymore, and that it was just a habit from when I *used* to like it
@@swampgoat6343 I will say that if JJ Abrams and Disney were WILLING to go in the direction Rian Johnson pointed them towards, there could've been some interesting developments. However, the unrelenting, and frankly amazingly hyperbolic, backlash TLJ received scared Disney to basically backtrack on the movie in its entirety. I have no doubt that if the backlash wasn't so deafening than they would've continued from where Rian Johnson left it and the trilogy would be MUCH more cohesive.
They could've exploited that joke so much: Finn missing the toilet bowl, Finn surviving a battle by bonking his head on a fallen tree. And always C3PO sticking around saying: Only imperial Stormtroopers are that precise!
I’d prefer Finn be treated like a real character rather than a joke. It’s bad enough his near death experience was treated as a joke while TLJ treated Kylo with more care.
@@maximo_lopez well, we ended up with neither in ROS. He wasn't a funny joke, or a real character. Didn't even speak in the final half hour of the thing.
I love that Finn doesn't know which ship out of two Chewie is on but his gut feeling tells him exactly which Star Destroyer out of a hundred thousand carries the beacon.
Well it's fortunate that the star destroyers patiently waited out the moment when he diacovers that ability in himself - And that Palpatine's power enabled him to raise like a thousand warships out of the ocean simultaneously without effort but his force range ended at somewhere in the lower atmosphere, from which point on, the star destroyers needed a beacon to know which way was "up". And that Palp's tech was advanced enough to grow force sensitive puppet dark lords, but not so much that he could build in an autopilot function into his star destroyers that would have made them, in the absence of further commands, simply move away from the pull of the gravity well.
I love that Palpatine (does he have a first name or is he from before the invention of first names?) didn't just force-push the fleet all the way into orbit and left it vulnerable instead.
@@ibtrippen It was also very thoughtful of him to halt the ascent low enough so that there still was enough oxygen and atmospheric pressure for ground forces to be able to land and ride horses on the star cruisers. Such a gentleman, he really cares about sportsmanship.
Heck, *I* have an old (2007) blue Honda Civic, and that make and model really doesn't change its appearance much from year to year. I regularly see others just like it in parking lots almost everywhere I go.
I had a blue Honda Civic once. It was a distress purchase, from Gumtree, when my previous car extremely broke down mid-journey in Glasgow. "Bulletproof engine" crowed the listing, but the engine was a colander for distributing oil onto the road. Scrapped it a few months later…
Rey naming herself Skywalker definitely feels like they picked the title of the movie first and got all the way through the script before realizing that "Rise of Skywalker" had nothing to do with anything that had happened
Indeed. Studio Board meeting "Hey guys, a bunch of SW nerds on twitter are complaining that The Last Jedi made luke into a flawed wimp, and now any old joe can be a jedi now! What about the freakin' midichlorians?! We need to bring things back Old School style!" "I Got it. We need to put "Skywalker" in the title!" "Yep, that'll attract those fans that are in fact only a small visible demographic of the true SW fanbase that we actually shouldn't care so much about."
@@weneedaladder8384 Phantom Menace pretty clearly refers to the Sith running things behind the scenes but not properly revealing themselves until the end of the movie. A more accurate comparison would probably be The Force Awakens, a film wherein the Force does not, at any point, awaken. Because, uh, that's not how the Force works.
The last Skywalker, Ben Solo rises out of the pit to save Rey. Palpatine says himself that Ben is the last Skywalker btw. That's partly what the title refers to.
Me: watched Jenny read Foster’s Rey-cyborg fan fiction right before going to see the Rise of Skywalker The first ten mins of the film: Organa puts a meaningful hand on Rey’s shoulder and says “never underestimate a droid” Me: No
I know there's a lot of disagreement about which of the Disney Star Wars movies are good or bad or for what reasons, but at least we can all agree that picking directors for each movie who ACTIVELY DISAGREED with each other on where the overall story should go was an unfathomably bad idea.
I get the suspicion it was going to be three different directors total, the third taking the first two and tying it all up, but then TLJ got lambasted by fanboys, Disney got gunshy and brought back Abrams, and we got this mess.
@@The11thEvilEx As far as I can see, that would have been equivalent to what we got. The issue was the change in directors in itself, not in going back to the first director for #3. Whoever did the third movie would still be stuck with the task of tying together two prequels that just don't get along.
The "your son will die" vs kylo dying issue feels like the sort of problem that happens when a prophecy is introduced into a story before the writer decides how it's going to be resolved, and then several installments later they clumsily try to twist the events to match and it doesnt quite fit. But it sounds like the prophecy is both introduced and resolved in this movie! So when JJ decided how the end was gonna go, why didnt he rewrite the prophecy to fit it better??
Behind the scenes, this movie clearly had a lot of rewrites. It's a Frankenstein's Monster. Maybe in whatever version of the script originally that prophecy it made more sense.
literally gasped aloud at the “rey killed her own parents” idea… delivered without theatrics and yet an infinitely better reveal than anything in the actual movie
It was painful to hear because it is SOOOOOO DAMN GOOD! I just wanted something in this movie to have even a 1/10 of the resonance I got from hearing this idea...
It actually gives something interesting for Rey to have done and to deal with. The problem isn't that Rey's OP, it's that they didn't do anything very interesting with her after TFA. She's a vanilla wafer. Our favorite movie heroines (Ripley, Sarah Connor) go THROUGH it in the sequels.
My favorite moment in RoS is subtle and I haven't heard anyone else mention it: when Kylo calls the First Order meeting about the spy in their midst, he gets side-tracked by sensing Hux's dislike for his new helmet. It's brilliant that, from Hux's point of view, he knows Kylo can read his thoughts, and is vain, and so he blasts the thought "KYLO'S NEW HELMET LOOKS DUMB" to get Kylo off the subject of the spy while letting Kylo like he's won something over Hux and is therefore still in control. Great manipulation, it's a pity the rest of Hux's decision-making and characterization isn't to that level.
@@eoincampbell1584 some people say that TRoS is anti TLJ, I don't agree at all. I think TRoS is anti sequel trilogy. The great twist plot of this trilogy: Palpatine takes away the wall paper and the carpet; we are still in episode vi.
@@Persephone_Personifiedhonestly i have not interacted with this franchise until recently and after hearing so much about this legendary reylo community that keeps being published i was SO sure reylo was a gay ship I was truly so sure that reylo was gay and now im watching these videos in shock and disappointment
The whole thing about rey being sold into what is essentially slavery in order to "protect her" is all the more moronic when you realize that both luke and leia went through exactly the same experiences, as they needed to be hidden from vader and the emperor, but instead of being sold to a mercenary, they were given to a there aunt and uncle, and to a king of a planet respectively. Like come on did they just forget the plot of the previous movies.
@@Dampfaeus I mean, JJ seemed to do that with Into Darkness so there's precedent. Side note: Star Trek Beyond is a much better sequel to ST '09 and deserves more love.
Until this video, I never even thought about the fact that Kylo Ren would have known Chewbacca his whole life. Another thing this trilogy did terribly.
I had to go back and watch it, but she really does say, "she's not on Jakku" which is literally the second worst thing you could say, right behind, "she's on Jakku" if you're trying to hide your daughter on Jakku.
I thought she was doing a jedi mind trick but that might have just been me trying to make sense of a movie that doesn't make a lot of sense. If she's not doing a mind trick...why would she say that?! Yeesh
@@bookshelfhoney she wasn’t doing a mind trick, neither of Rey’s parents had force powers and the one who would is her dad who was palpatines son(clone?).
Adopted Father figure - Han SOLO Adopted Mother figure - Leia Organa formerly 'SOLO' Falls in love with - Ben SOLO What's your name? "Rey SKYWALKER" Bro, WHAT?!
It’s funny that Solo is even Ben’s last name at all given that it’s just some nickname a random imperial bureaucrat gave Han in an airport. TBH he should have been Ben Organa, given that Bail Organa was a kind and loving father, and a pivotal member of the rebel alliance, not to mention it would be a nice memorial to Leia’s family on Alderaan.
@@PhantasmalBlast I refuse to believe that's how he got the name solo. In fact most of the Disney start wars I refuse to believe is canon because most of it is so so stupid, especially the last jedi onwards
"Why did he make more Snokes? What will they do for him at this point?" Ah, my child. You can never have too many Snokes on hand, just in case. My mother always used to say, that a Snoke in the hand is worth two in the bush, and not to put all your Snokes in one basket.
1:02:31 ”The worst thing a franchise ending can do is make you feel kind of stupid and embaressed for being so excited about it in the first place.” is a really powerful line
@@TheAussiePencil so true! I used to love it and now I can barely stand thinking about it. There are some shows that get bad in later seasons and you just tell people to stop after season XYZ. But GoT fucked up so royaly that it taints even the good seasons.
The only thing this movie made me feel was insulted. That they thought any viewer would be stupid enough to enjoy this vapid slop. I guess they were ultimately right though, there are still legions of weirdos who endlessly hate on TLJ with incoherent reasons (like saying Rian ruined Luke's character as if he wasn't going down the logical continuation of what was set up in TFA) and praise RoS.
As someone who watched both Star Wars and GoT, it was a double gut punch having both series end like that within only a few months. Big enough that I haven't really gone back to watching anything in any of the fantasy subgenres since.
The knife map is something that would show up in a puzzle in a PS1 or DS game because it would show off/justify the fact that it can use 3D models. Plus weird puzzles using whatever key items you have are relatively expected in that medium.
Thats an insult to the clever puzzle design of the original playstation games. Example, silent hill. Puzzle items have connections to the lore and inform you about the world while also informing you in a clever way how to solve the puzzle. Rey just straight up happens to be standing in the exact spot she needed to be for the bullshit knife ruler to match and everything works out cause screenwriting is hard.
It did make me think of Professor Layton, or like that part in Ace Attorney where you have to rotate a pot to get it to match up with the silhouette in the drawing
Perhaps others have said this already (I realize I'm watching this video over four years later), but I remember feeling so disappointed by the decision to have Kylo and Rey kiss. I was really into the story of their connection over the course of the movies, but the feeling that I thought came through most strongly from Kylo was loneliness. I wish they had just embraced after he revived her - a physical gesture of care for each other that isn't necessarily romantic, and demonstrates that he's not alone. It would have felt so much more meaningful to me. Having them kiss just felt so lazy, like someone playing with dolls, and it took me out of it just before he died so it undercut the emotional impact of losing him.
I get what you're saying, but if you have a young attractive women who struggles with loneliness, and a young man who struggles with it, and they bond over that, that's kinda gonna happen... I don't think we have to be allergic to that idea. Not to mention there was some (even if it was the absolute bare minimum) romantic development with them in TFA and TLJ. Not as much as there should've been, mind you. But it was there.
i feel like most of the writers for this trilogy forgot that jedi weren't supposed to have families, and like **most** of them never had children and you don't need to be descended from someone to use the force
which is wild because the entire premise of force awakens is that the Force Awakens in a bunch of people who are completely unrelated to it. and then they forgot.
Yeah, I always wonder why people wanted to know who Rey's parents were because they wanted to know why she got her powers. Who are Mace Windu's, Kenobi's or Yoda's parents.
@@bebo2629 Except those characters, you know, TRAINED like Luke to get their powers I imagine. If I'm wrong I stand corrected. Rey was just perfection out of the gate, so the question then is, come on writers throw us a bone here, is there a reason why she's overpowered or is it you're just idiots. Turned out that there was a reason, her Palpatine bloodline (although why did it skip a generation?), AND of course they're also just idiot writers because the whole trilogy is a dumpster fire. That's why people wanted to know. Then of course TFA kind of thrusts her parents in your face as a mystery box, it does want to suggest here's a question that will get answered along the way, so there's that too, you're primed to wonder who her parents are.
it is frustrating yes, but maybe that's a good thing, they'd have ruined it with idiotic dialogue like the rest of the movie. They just let Adam do his thing and I think it worked for the best.
The writers now, are like "It's supposed to be cheesy..like the OT." However, the OT is only cheesy because it has old fashioned values of heroism imho.
@@Generationrhino Well, if everyone would fucking decide whether they wanted it like the OT or to be its own thing, the writers could settle on something.
Rey enters Tosche Station Rey: "I'm here to pick up some power converters" Station Clerk: "Name on the order?" Rey: "Skywalker." Luke Force Ghost: **Thumbs Up** Ending that finally resolves the power converters and supports small business and keeps the cringe.
I would've loved a back and forth between Kylo and Rey where they keep healing eachother, dying, and then re healing eachother, dying, and so on so forth.
your star wars hotel video was youtube algorithm-ed into my feed and I watched a little but then I binged your entire the vampire diaries video and I was hooked. Went back and finished your star wars hotel one and now I am systematically working my way through your catalogue. I had no idea this was the content I needed in my life. I feel like you and defunct land could team up on something awesome
@@paddyspub7225 Kyle did a voice cameo in the Evermore video (as the lawyer dragon IIRC), and Jenny guested on his podcast… not sure if they did other collabs beyond that though, I’m not caught up on Defunctland.
The trilogy is the story of one storyboard artist’s desperate attempt to make a series of movies at least visually enjoyable, even when 75% of the rest of production is collapsing in on itself.
@@treasurehunter3369 It is, I got a real kick out of the cinematography and the set design As over the top it was, it was enjoyable. Maybe the only reason I enjoyed some of it in hindsight.
Wonderful, internet-friendly numbered list: 1. "The opening crawl" (0:54) 2. "Palpatine is alive" (2:28) 3. "Palpatine made Snoke" (3:43) 4. "Palpatine uses his powers to raise up, like, five hundred Star Destroyers, and all of their crews and stuff, out of the ocean where he has been hiding them" (5:40) 5. "At a point in the story at which Kylo Ren has already found out that the voice of Vader was Palpatine the whole time and he's not even loyal to Palpatine and he's figuring out a way to defy his orders, he then goes to his room and touches the Darth Vader helmet in order to commune with it as though he still thinks it's Darth Vader" (6:21) 6. "Jannah" (7:00) 7. "Any time a character arrives at a planet in this movie they have a shot of the character walking away from their landed spaceship" (7:42) 8. "Chewbacca exploding" (8:16) 9. "The map to Exegol" (12:46) 10. "Rey's parents sold her to protect her" (15:43) 11. "The *SPY*" (19:37) 12. "Leia's death, and prophecy, and everything else involving Leia" (22:20) 13. "Finn's 'arc'" (26:52) 14. "Finn is Force-sensitive" (30:10) 15. "The Knights of Ren are dumb and then they die" (31:20) > INTERMISSION TIME: "So, I'd like to take a brief intermission to talk about some things that I actually liked" (31:27) 16. "Things I put in my prediction bingo cards ironically, but then they actually happened in the film" (33:31) 17. "The entire climax of the movie" (34:35) 18. "The Force dyad" (42:25) 19. "Kylo Ren's death" (44:41) 20. "The dark Rey fake out" (48:52) 21. "Rey Palpatine" (52:46) 22. "Rey Skywalker" (55:49)
The whole Palpatine thing and Rey Skywalker (which was bullshit) were the worst ones for me. That and the spaceship on jakku thing, I couldn't tell what happened either. Did Reys parents take a u turn and get killed somehow, and then ochi gets killed near the ship?? Maybe they did have the same ship. Another theory is that Reys parents got off world, got killed by ochi and he took the ship to get Rey but fucked it up and died. That's just awful, what a terrible employee to have who fucks up that bad. How many fuck ups can an assasin do in a couple of days, where they get this guy from, the parole board.
My head cannon is that Han and Chewy got some crazy herbal substance from Lando and shared it with Luke and Leia and this whole trilogy was some bad space acid trip the four of them had.
she even personally killed or witnessed the deaths of almost all the other remnants of both families along the way! if you add Solo then it just gets even more depressing
@@jaxietoon Thus, her fall into the Sith begins. Isolated and alone, she stews on her failures, realizing if she had just had more power... And then we hear Palpatine laughing quietly
@Gwendolyn depending on ur politics they do that all the time, moreso imo by refusing to tell complex narratives properly and trying to grey villains who do not have a grey morality- it drags the heroes down. The way they white and black hat characters leads to a lot of protagonists who are like, genuinely bad people with terrible ideas that deserve deconstruction and critique. And then they just. Don’t. I get what you mean though. It’s just too off brand tho so I doubt they’re ever gonna give it to us in a way that doesn’t do a lot of harm :/
Leia clutching the medal from the battle of Yavin... that she didn't receive. Like a high school football coach wearing a print overrun t-shirt from the '96 semifinals
When people ask me what my favorite star wars qoute is, which happens all the time i assure you multiple times a day, I always say "Somehow Palpatine has returned" so great. Not only did it tell us NOTHING, it also proved that even the characters in this universe also knew NOTHING. Love to see it, its filmmaking at its very best.
Disney has spent so much time trying to explain this through other Star Wars media. The books said he’s a clone… and then he cloned himself again (I guess?) because Rey’s dad was a clone too. Despite the actor playing her dad having supermodel good looks… no shade to Ian McDiarmid, but he’s didn’t look like Rey’s dad (his theoretical clone son). His face has more character, and he’s already played a younger Palpatine in the prequels. Also, the tv shows (Mandalorian, ObiWan series) have tried explaining things on the side. There’s a scene in Mando where he sees what looks like baby Snokes lmao. And ObiWan stumbles upon something similar, but with former Jedi stuck in some kind of stasis. Disney keeps trying to write in clues, like they’ve had this plan all along. But we all know, “somehow Palpatine has returned” was a last minute edit. JJ himself said he wasn’t sure if it was going to be Palpatine or ObiWan as her dad.
Palpatine dying was such a big moment in the 6th episode and star wars in general, his death was the result of Darth Vader becoming Anakin and the light winning over the dark. It was the beginning of a new era and simply bringing him back seemed lazy.
With the resurrection of Palpatine, both the Original Trilogy AND the Prequel Trilogy were utterly destroyed. That's why the Sequel Trilogy CAN NOT be Canon.
@@unsweetenedfruit the genuinely amazing bit to me is that people act as though this isn't par for the course with Abrams. The man's franchise career is based on remixing films he likes.
12:00 "Wow, Finn is really bad at object permanence!" The idea of Finn not having object permanence, a skill that toddlers develop, is so funny to me lmao😂. Makes me wish that was the actual explanation for it.
She salvaged junk...he murdered kids...they really hit the skids He wanted her, she could just tell. They're probably cousins as well. He works for Snoke, she rides a cool bike...they both have a helmet that they really liiiiiiiiiiike.......
The biggest missed opportunity with Rey Palpatine is they should have made Palpatine act loving and grandfatherly to her. He should have seduced her like Anakin but even more effective because of her desire for family. There should have been a scene of Rey reluctantly fighting Kylo while she claims through tears that no, Palpatine is good she can see it when he's actually just manipulating her. The best villains are ones that exploit the deepest weakness of the protagonist. Palpatine could have done this to Rey better than anyone else. It could have been perfect. He could have offered her family. But, no they made him space Hitler zombie Satan and they fought with swords. Huge missed opportunity.
Damn that would've been really cool to see. That manipulative and kind old man comes back for a moment, saying things about how all he wanted was for his granddaughter to come back to him. It would've immediately explained how this man could've possibly had a family. If he employed the same tactics he used with Anakin, I think he could absolutely have a family, and he could absolutely manipulate Rey too. And then Rey would have like an actual moral dilemma instead of "do I get the power to save my friends but lose control of my body, thus rendering this power useless and this decision incredibly obvious"
"This film is just a weird checklist of things that are meant to satisfy star wars fans..." Is exactly how I felt about the The Force Awakens and why I did not watch the other two. I couldn't see them coming back around from the parade of obvious references thrown in your face in the bluntest way possible. It felt insulting.
Same. Watched them years later just out of curiosity and opportunity. First one was obvious social justice messaging mixed with plot line regurgitation or even cloning. Second felt like it was building... Something. Lotta plot holes but I tried to stow any logic as best I could after all, this is star wars where gravity is exactly the same everywhere there is no such thing as air pressure and all air is breathable. And space wizard knights with laser swords that aren't lasers clash. Anyways! But then I saw the third movie, and it took me by the hand and gave me an immersive experience into what psychosis feels like.
Right, because if a galactic evil wizard wanted to kill my daughter, selling her would be my first option as well. Luke? Given to his aunt and uncle. Leia? Given to this rich royal family who always wanted a daughter, on a peaceful planet. Rey? Sold to a junk merchant. Solid plan.
@@smasher.338 my poor beleaguered brain has only just registered this obvious fact. Yet another nonsense event in the meandering confused mess they have for a 'plot'! 😂😅
They couldn't have redeemed Kylo earlier and have him hanging awkwardly off tbe edges of their group bc that would be too similar to Zuko's arc and they can't be seen anywhere near actual good writing
@@gnocchidokey there's a lot on the web, and in pretty much all flavours. Kylo as the villain, Hux as big bad, resurrected Snoke, take your pick. Just be ready to filter aggressively if you're not looking for Reylo stuff (though I can also point you to a fic or two there).
“Weird Fan Film” is kind of how I feel about a lot of the new Star Wars projects. They all feel way too self aware that they are in a Star Wars. Like a slightly larger budget Star Wars Hotel show.
Ah ah ah! "Hey, JJ, how we end the final fight?" "Ehm...We can...I don't know...Ehm...Why don't we copy a previous film? It worked so well whit episode seven."
The writers were just incompetent from start to finish, over the whole trilogy, it's astonishing they took so little care of their billion dollar franchise. Anything would do, no quality control, they felt entitled to your money.
She didn't kill him herself, she redirected his force lightning against him, so essentially she forced him to kill himself. I thought it was pretty obvious that's what the writers were going for when I first watched the movie but considering I haven't seen anyone else talk about this interpretation I'm second guessing myself idk
Finn has: 1) An implied crush on Rey. 2) A shared kiss with Rose. 3) A continuous dynamic with Poe. 4) A kindred soul in Jannah. Finn ends up with no one. Honestly, I'm someone who believes that films can and SHOULD end without a "Big Damn Kiss". But when a character's arc is built around making connections and deciding who he's going to be, and that identity is intrinsically linked to MULTIPLE people, then this arc is incomplete.
Disney hired a bus load of writers and directors who had no unified vision and they passed Star Wars around like a Tijuana hooker. Of course they left loose ends.
Pretty sure Jenny is my fav youtuber. Seen this plenty of times, but still laughing out loud. I wish I knew ANYONE irl with that sense of humor. Can't wait for this year's easter play!
I swear on everything I was so excited when hux FINALLY GOT SOME CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT but there was a gay couple behind me that just straight up lost it. But when was literally killed ten seconds after, dying the most boring way, the two guys behind me literally said "well that's it" AND THEN THEY GOT UP AND LEFT THEY JUST LEFT THE THEATER WITHOUT LOOKING BACK AT THE SCREEN and boy I was THAT close to joining them.
Evil Clever Dog about when rey “kills” chewie then the very next scene they show chewie all fine and dandy was when my brain checked out as a defense mechanism.
@@MyScorpion42 Hux was set up to be Snoke's top General (at least there is no indication otherwise) but even if not, he was not a buffoon in TFA. Over the top? Sure. In TLJ he was made to be a buffoon and it just didn't fit with how he was in TFA.
Shmi: “There was no father.” Translation: “I followed the Palpatine rock tour when I was as younger, but I signed an NDA. Last I heard he was dating a Gungan.”
"Pouring your life force into somebody, kissing them and then falling over dead and vanishing from this plane of existence is also awkward on a first date" Dang, I *knew* I was doing something wrong!
i literally had to refrain from bursting out laughing in the theater because when palpatine shoots lightning into the sky it sounds exactly like one of those bass boosted meme edits
@@damien678 Shoot I did the same in Taiwan which have very different movie culture (make absolutely no sound) Good thing is there’s not much people there to see that fuking movie.
Just a little hindsight 4 years later: Rian Johnson has gone on to write and direct two Knives Out mystery movies that simultaneously brought back and subverted the murder mystery genre, with at least two more coming. He has been nominated for multiple awards for both films. JJ Abrams has not written or directed anything for television or film since The Rise of Skywalker. His executive producer credits are not for anything of note. He has not been nominated for an award since 2016 for The Force Awakens.
Well I think people are also starting to realize that JJ did the bare minimum with the Star Trek reboot as well and maybe he shouldn’t be as revered as he is.
It truly made me reexamine and more importantly fact check what little I thought I knew about JJ, and yup. He also he didn’t have nearly as much to do with the early promising parts of Lost as I thought. And when he has made things that had potential, it was always in tandem with someone else. Not saying it’s impossible that he’s good or that he sometimes jumpstarts good things, but in hindsight it’s just… significantly less common than I remembered.
@@frankkennedy6388 True but somehow lots of people did enjoy it, which led to it being divisive. JJ was guilty in Force Awakens of being derivative and Rise of Skywalker was near universally disliked. I don’t like Last Jedi but Rian Johnson at least tried something, even if that something was half baked, hollow attempts to subvert expectations.
Like a five year old who, when a parent walks into the room, just kinda yells "I didn't eat the cookie!". Because that's, ya know, not an instant tell.
I definitely didn't steal a police car and drive it into a lake. Yeah, I know you didn't ask about that, but I just wanted you to know, I definitely didn't do that.
"an era of filmmaking where it seems more important to make sure that the audience doesn't predict what's going to happen over making a satisfying ending"
I actually prefer the endings and plots that aren't predictable, because it's boring to follow the same basic storyline every online fan wants. This is part of why I loved The Last Jedi. I'd say the problem with RoS is much more the opposite: all the story beats and plots are dumb and contrived for the sake of erasing all of the new, interesting lore built up in the last movie. They retconned all the actual character development so they could check off the boxes of Star Wars Thing Fans Want to See.
@@amityislandchum There's a huge difference tho between being able to predict the story because it's predictable and being able to predict the story, because it's written properly and consistently. Fans can predict the later, because there are some crazy theorycrafters who comb trough every bit of lore and notice every little detail, so they can figure it out where the story will go. And it's a super fun thing to do. But what these movies do, is just throwing random shit at the audience and then pat themselves on the back, that no one was able to predict it. But it all happened because they write a story like a 4 year old, who just comes up with bullshit on the go, when they notice that a problem in the story needs to be solved.
Eternally pissed that they dropped the development of a perfectly platonic friendship between Rey and Finn and I can’t even remember exactly what they did to Rose, but I loathe that too.
What did they did to Rose was literally nothing, at all. They gave her absolutely nothing to do because some stupid haters disliked the character so much they pretty much just wrote her out.
It obviously wasn't platonic and there was romantic interest between the two. We see it with FInn multiple times and Rey a few(like when she knew about Rose and Finn). But Disney or someone at Disney must have a, 'NO FEMALE LEADS WILL HOOK UP WITH MEN' mandate. Because I honestly can't recall any female lead(apart from Beauty and the Beast and Alladin-both revolve around love stories) that have romantic relationships with men. Rey, Raya, Mulan, Maleficient, Frozen, Cruella, Nutcracker etc. Unless you're a remake or existing story that revolves around a romantic relationship, there ain't gonna be one in a female fronted Disney movie. Closest you're gonna get is a male pal, or really close female bonds.
@@GeneralKenobi75 "some stupid haters disliked the character so much" She attempted to murder Finn in order to kill everyone he was trying to save. That would be fine as a "she's actually a villain" kind of twist but the movie portrayed her as if she was doing the right thing which made her an unbelievably stupid character to the point where it was better for the story to just pretend like she never existed.
Rey should have said "just Rey" at the end. It's a callback to the beginning when she doesn't know how to answer to the little girl but this time she says it with confidence, showing her journey.
The film would have to be called the rise of Rey, which is actually better.
Stop expecting good writing. That would have been an awesome idea.
@@vasari9198 It could still be the rise of Skywalker, but Kylo is the Skywalker. (I know his name is Solo, but he's Leia's son too and he's a Jedi)
@@Picking.a.name.is.hard1 But Kylo didn’t rise. He literally and figuratively fell. We’re spending way too much time thinking about this! 😀
Just dog? Just dog
My favorite part was every time Rose showed up and then a hook appeared and dragged her off-screen like in a Vaudeville show
It hurts so bad to laugh at this. lol
I feel really bad for the actress, she's a victim for Rian Johnson's dumb character....But its was totally hilarious..Everyone's going on an adventure, and the story is like "NO YOU STAY!"
@T Doran Do you always project your racism onto other people like a typical leftist?
@@FullMPTV They're a troll, but I have a feeling you are too. But at least I can laugh at you for taking the bait.
@@FullMPTV Do you like Fortnite just like every other zoomer on the planet, or are you a boomer trying to zoom with the zoomers?
Low-key your funniest line here: "They wanted to protect her, but yes, money did change hands."
Gotta respect that hustle.
I busted out an LOL at "Maybe Po has trouble with object permanence." The verbal gems are consistent throughout.
Ethical human trafficking 😊
@@brianstorm5488 Finn, you mean.
@@Niobesnuppathey were too busy busting out their LOL to catch the correct name
Before i saw it i though "somehow Palpatine returned" was a joke making fun of the movie, not an actual line
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
*Rey looks away for a rude amount of time and the lady walks away uninterested in hearing her finish*
I was seriously hoping this would happen and disappointed that it didn't.
Kevin Eontrainer lol
@@KevinEontrainer381 using the "r" word, even in pun form, is gross and you should do better.
I was waiting for them to sneak in a title call-out, and I was heartbroken that she didn't reply '...Rey Star Wars.'
@@ctkachuk08 We shouldn't use puns. Puns are hurtful. And emotionally we're all children now.
One thing I'm shocked no one ever talks about is how stupid it is that kylo gets Luke's lightsaber and rey gets leia's. Rey was following what luke wanted for her, she wanted to be part of Luke's family. Kylo was called back from the dark side by his mother, and he never forgave Luke trying to kill him.
The only reason I see for them getting their repsective lightsaber is because one was a ""boy"" lightsaber and the other was a ""girl"" lightsaber.
(I realize this is 7 months late, but w/e)
Also the amusing notion that Kylo takes up this saber like it's Excalibur, having thrown away his own one. The most notable deeds done pre-ST with that weapon are the crippling of Mace Windu, the summary execution of Count Dooku and the dismemberment of a a room full of children.
THANK YOU
Also i wish they were at least different colors because it was very hard to tell which was which during that scene
@@JohannDakitsch It also didn't help that they were using blue sabers in a very blue place - amusing as Luke's saber was green because Lucas and Marquand realised they were shooting its first appearance against a blue sky and changed the colour for that reason.
Added to that, Kylo's fight with the Knights is pretty incoherent and they're all dudes in black with weapons that don't light up (anyone else find it weird that they didn't get vibro/plasma blades like Snoke's guards?)
I guess, it all comes down to the notion that Leia is a Skywalker. I think what JJ tried to do: Make a story in which Leia Organa accepts herself as a Skywalker. Like, accept Luke as his brother and accepts Vader as someone who was redeemed.
Abrams seemed to be obsessed in closing abandoned storylines from the Original Trilogy, and this probably is one of them. I speculate that there were lots of scenes about Leia coming to terms with her legacy that were left behind. So, Rey does it for her.
TRoS is about Leia (and the Jedi) using Rey as a puppet, so this idea wouldn't be so crazy.
_"It's not much, but it's honest work."_
- Palpatine, tending to his Snoke farm.
Underrated comment
After every youtube video I put on my hazmat suit and descend into the comments, and I always leave wondering why.
This, this is why.
Underrated comment... Made me laugh loud for a solid minute.
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I'll never forget I had to use the bathroom during the movie, and when I got back I asked my wife what happened and she said "Oh Chewy was blown up in a space ship but we already know he's fine."
The fact that something that should've been impactful was thrown out so nonchalantly is an incredible indictment of the writing.
That was a pretty long bathroom break.
@@cejaprime chewie shows up literally like one scene later, you don't even have time to mourn tbh
I got so excited when he got blown up, I thought we might actually get to see some character development. But no, all we got was immediate denial.
@@indigo0977how did you feel any excitement during that movie
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
"Rey'd shadow legends is a hot new mobile gaming experience..."
😂
This deserves more likes 😂
Top tier comment
Marley Chinn They had two chances to do this in the movie.
The force is stored in the balls.
"I'm Rey."
"Rey who?"
"I don't have a family... I'm alone."
"Rey Solo, then"
Full circle.
Underrated call back
Still a better line than the movie
I would have liked that WAYY more than the actual line lol
That actually would suck but not as much as in the actual movie 'Rey Skywalker'
Palpatine was able to intercept the force connection between Rey and Kylo, but thanks to Nord VPN you don't have to worry about anyone stealing your force connection
*Ford VPN
sorry
Hahahaha 🤣
Omg 😂
weve been trying to reach you about your cars extended warranty
HAHAHAHAHAHA , ben, BEN is that you?
"It doesn't matter that she blew up a ship full of prisoners because none of them were named characters" might be THE MOST Star Wars thing in this entire movie.
Rey's parents sold her to one direction
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@@annie7716 Agreed
Star Wars's parents sold it to Disney, just like Billy Ray Cyrus.
During The Purge.
If i wasnt in a roo with other people i would have screamed from laughter at this comment
Rey burying the lightsabers in the desert has the same energy as Luke saying "Aunt Beru" as his dying words
I thought that woman at the work end was going to turn out to be Aunt Beru. She’d be all like, ‘oh yeah, I actually survived. I just never told Luke, for some reason’
@@celebrimborposting9251 The dead speak! The galaxy has heard a message, a sinister delivery of BLUE MILK in the voice of the late AUNT BERU
@@shakespeare4bears run, don't walk, to Darths & Droids, where (spoiler alert) Owen and Beru are canonically alive and amongst the Rebel commandos assaulting the Peace Moon's shield generator on the Endor moon.
@@RoamingAdhocratyes. They were in Captain Rex squad
I honestly cannot believe the last line wasn't: "Just Rey." But said contentedly with a smile, in contrast to the last time she said it where it was said with insecurity and a bit of sadness, to symbolize that it doesn't matter anymore who her biological family was (and they sucked harder than could be imagined) because she has a new family with her friends in the resistance and family names don't apply so she can be "just Rey" and it's fine. Like when she paused before answering I was actually feeling a little bit of emotion in anticipation of the line that I was sure had to be coming. Instead what had become the familiar feeling of empty confusion returned, only this time there wasn't a new scene to make me forget the dumb thing that had just happened.
also Finn, Poe, and Rose should've been there too, and the old lady would ask all of them for their full names, and Finn would look over at Poe and say "Finn Dameron."
@@ce7.0 Poe: Ugh, dude! We weren't going to tell them yet!
"Just Rey"
"Just Rey?"
"Just Rey"
I am Rey Resistance.
@@ce7.0 but right before Finn says Dameron, Rose body checks him out to f the way.
dear evan hansen: anybody has a map?
rise of skywalker: everybody has a map
Oh my god…!😅
"I think the worst thing a franchise ending can do is make you feel kind of stupid and embarrassed for being so excited for it in the first place."
Game of Thrones fans relate.
Audrey shout out from the magic the gathering fans too. We just had a big arc end with at least seven main characters being done dirty.
@@pinkwings8036 Oof, you have my condolences.
I was about to write this exact comment and by chance saw this first. It's sad that two legacies came down to this.
Audrey - Knowing the kind of pure joy Jenny derived from Star Wars, that statement is so damn sad. It reminds me of the tragedy of watching someone break a promise to a child and then mock the kid for having been excited by what they were promised. : (
Except the Sequels were bad from the start, but TFA left a chance for a Sequel to repair it's damage, TLJ threw that chance out the window. TROS is just spitting on a dead corpse.
ideal: hux doesn't get shot and goes on an adventure with the leads, but ALSO kylo reforms earlier in the film, so they end up on the same side again by accident and the vibes on the ship have never been worse
I like it! I also feel like someone's probably written that fanfic by now.
And then Rey becomes Darth Rey, and joins the First Order, and eventually both sides are functionally the same as they were originally, just with different names.
@@willow5945 Darth Rey is too normal and not-stupid for a sith name, she’d have to change to like Darth Eevil or something
@@alexs0s I mean, Reddit might disagree with you, but...
How I see it, Rey and Darth Rey are two different people. Darth Rey is actually the real actress, Daisy Ridley, who took spice one day and was transposed into the Star Wars galaxy. Daisy then turned to the Dark Side in a bid to find the knowledge to get home. Upon becoming a Sith, she changed her name to Darth Rey. Now, in order for Rey to "become" Darth Rey, she would have to quite literally shapeshift into the role--mind, body and spirit--which I believe is indeed possible if you utilitze the principle of the Rey Eternal and let down your Rey Shields.
That sounds like fun this should be a ship fic
This video is confusing; you should have opened with a shot of you leaving your spaceship, so we would know how you got there.
This actually wouldn't work because Jenny popped into existence in her room along with her giant porg
@@ashikjaman1940 I guess you’re not a True Fan because Jenny has a video of her going to get her giant porg.
@@charlesherbig4502 those are lies being sold by Big Jenny for views
@@ashikjaman1940 You sound like one of those people who believes all kinds of conspiracy theories about the Military-Jenny-Industrial Complex.
You two should just kiss and get it over with.
To me the issue with this trilogy is that they had all of these ideas but very few ideas on how to do anything impactful or effective with them. Like they think "maybe we should have a more diverse cast with a female lead" and "maybe a main character is a reformed storm trooper" and "what if Leia and Han's son is turned to the dark side" but they don't think about it further than that. Like Jenny said, it's just a list of things.
Blame the Fandom Menace. Rian Johnson expanded on those ideas. Rey had dark side tendencies and longed for a family, only to find out her parents weren't anyone special. Ren turns more to the dark side and longs to be supreme leader which he ultimately does in TLJ. Finn, while a former storm trooper, still didn't see what the resistance was fighting for until he sees enslaved people often overlooked during the war, and the greedy wealthy who sweep things under the rug. Some really angry fans didn't want to accept these plot developments and Disney caved to shallow nostalgia. If only RJ (who btw was closest in showing us what GL intended for the sequels) had directed the sequels, we would have not gotten a soft reboot of the OT.....if only......
@@sebastianbelcher5354 Yes, it's always the fan's fault.
If it was anyone but JJ, I would say for sure there was a plan and Rian just crapped all over it/made it unusable. But I've seen enough of Lost and Star Trek, that I wouldn't actually bet money on it.
@@sebastianbelcher5354 I'll admit, I had my fair share of issues with TLJ, but if TROS had at least continued what that movie started then the trilogy as a whole would've still been so much better. But no, Disney and JJ decided to just pretend it never happened I guess. It's crazy how (at least imo) even Colin Treverrows version would've been better than whatever we got.
@@la_scrittice_vitabruh, JJ is clearly the one who crapped all over this project. He proved he is a terrible director with hack ideas. TFA speaks for itself and RoS proves he has never known wtf he is doing.
"The worst thing a franchise ending can do is make you feel kind of stupid and embarrassed for being so excited about it in the first place." - Jenny Nicholson
I realy felt that :'(
Yea, I saw The Sopranos too.
GoT
That's how I felt about The Last Jedi
@@jared1964 Same. Saw it last night. I want my money back, and I didnt even pay to see it...But I want my money back.
I got flashbacks to the 4th season of Sherlock
The "Finn is really bad at object permanence" bit would also reinforce the running joke that stormtroopers can't aim, so it's really a win-win
That should've been a genuine thing they did throughout the movies
@@bobsempletank5362 Finn and Poe at the target practice range would be such a good scene
LMK
@@JustinTheGrey let.. me .. know ??
@@witchflowers6942 I definitely fell asleep with autoplay on and somehow managed to leave this comment. Regardless, I stand by my demands. Just let me know.
the last two movies Palpatine was just standing around on his veranda with a pipe in his mouth watching his crop of Snokes ripening for harvest.
His farm was next to Thanos’s but he ignored Palpatine because the snokes were a very smelly crop
Dr. Krieger?!
Palpatine with a cowboy hat: "That be some good harvestin', yee haw"
It ain't much but it's dishonest work
@@gateauxq4604 "I finally rest, and watch the sun rise on a Snoke-ful universe."
So I had Ep 9 spoiled for me ages ago. I read synopsis and commentaries on it, watched videos (including this one!), but only just tonight watched the film first hand. Did all of that predispose me to things? Yes. But I was also catching onto things that people weren't mentioning. The film had a frantic editing style to it, minor details like characters handing objects between each others hands didn't get shown. One minute Rey is holding the knife, then on the camera cut 3P0 is holding it. That sort of minor thing is EVERYWHERE in this film. And then there's the literal copying JJ did of the climaxes of Empire and Return of the Jedi. His idea for 7, 8, and 9 was to repeat 4, 5, and 6 in the big respects. Yikes.
It floors me that some people still say this movie was awesome. Shocking.
@@ea5145 The only time I saw people trying to insist that was when it was initially new, then everyone chilled with the culture war stuff on both ends and we all agreed it was a hack job of a film.
Jenny: makes a list of silly predictions about the movie
Abrams: “write that down!”
The Js in JJ Abrams secretly stand for Jenny. She did this. She's been Palpatine-ing us this whole time.
@@Retsonine Now I'm picturing a jar stuffed full of of JJ Abrams' just out of camera view. "I MADE JJ."
All the trailers until she makes her prediction videos are just elaborate deepfakes, and the SECOND she drops the vid, the writing process begins.
Deku Bro “Get that girl a contract!”
Maybe Hasbro follows suit and bases My Little Pony G5 on Friendship is Witchcraft.
"The worst a movie franchise can do is make you feel stupid for getting exited about it." Wise words, indeed.
It's a good thing all my excitement was sapped before The Force Awakens came out.
@skankhunt42 Dexter taught me to just jump ship on Walking Dead when I found myself actively not enjoying myself watching it anymore, and that it was just a habit from when I *used* to like it
@@swampgoat6343 I will say that if JJ Abrams and Disney were WILLING to go in the direction Rian Johnson pointed them towards, there could've been some interesting developments. However, the unrelenting, and frankly amazingly hyperbolic, backlash TLJ received scared Disney to basically backtrack on the movie in its entirety. I have no doubt that if the backlash wasn't so deafening than they would've continued from where Rian Johnson left it and the trilogy would be MUCH more cohesive.
Cohesion doesn't insure quality. Also going by your logic rian should have just followed jj's outline.
skankhunt42 OoO
"Jedi have killed before... it's not always a dark side act." It's worse than that: Jedi have killed PALPATINE before.
The Jedi have like the worst killing skills ever, Napoleon.
@@alexjames7670 They're like my favorite killers.
@@mrdarklight I admit, mine too. But if they had only put uncle Rico in in the fourth quarter . . .
@@alexjames7670 Actually, there's this electrical device you can get online...
@@mrdarklight Lol. It would be awesome to see you and Kip fight with lightsabers, even though he basically has no ninja fighting skills.
"Was he puppeteering Snoke?"
No. He was Palpateering him.
"Finn is really bad at object permanence"
Does this go along with his having been a storm trooper? Walking into doors, unable to hit any target, etc.
They could've exploited that joke so much: Finn missing the toilet bowl, Finn surviving a battle by bonking his head on a fallen tree.
And always C3PO sticking around saying: Only imperial Stormtroopers are that precise!
@@JosephSchneider26 HA ha. Like they did in Mandalorian. ;)
MKultra is one hell of a drug
I’d prefer Finn be treated like a real character rather than a joke. It’s bad enough his near death experience was treated as a joke while TLJ treated Kylo with more care.
@@maximo_lopez well, we ended up with neither in ROS. He wasn't a funny joke, or a real character. Didn't even speak in the final half hour of the thing.
Also I love how all of Palpatine's lines are basically different versions of lines he's said in other movies
@@HOTD108_ And people say that the disney trilogy goes against Lucas' vision
"Something something something Dark Side! Something something something complete!"
And he is the actor who didn't die.
@@gastronomist do it!
You look like Rose.
I love that Finn doesn't know which ship out of two Chewie is on but his gut feeling tells him exactly which Star Destroyer out of a hundred thousand carries the beacon.
Well it's fortunate that the star destroyers patiently waited out the moment when he diacovers that ability in himself - And that Palpatine's power enabled him to raise like a thousand warships out of the ocean simultaneously without effort but his force range ended at somewhere in the lower atmosphere, from which point on, the star destroyers needed a beacon to know which way was "up". And that Palp's tech was advanced enough to grow force sensitive puppet dark lords, but not so much that he could build in an autopilot function into his star destroyers that would have made them, in the absence of further commands, simply move away from the pull of the gravity well.
I love that Palpatine (does he have a first name or is he from before the invention of first names?) didn't just force-push the fleet all the way into orbit and left it vulnerable instead.
@@ibtrippen It was also very thoughtful of him to halt the ascent low enough so that there still was enough oxygen and atmospheric pressure for ground forces to be able to land and ride horses on the star cruisers. Such a gentleman, he really cares about sportsmanship.
@@ibtrippen Palpatine's first name is Sheev, believe it or not.
@@dw1419 Wow. That's right up there with the fat dude being named "Porkins."
“Rey who?”
“Reyy…bies” and then she growls and bites the old woman, and then episode f*cking 10 has werewolves the end
Filoni is frothing at the mouth rn
And sparkly vampires.
this is the funniest thing I've seen all day, I can go to bed happy now!
That may be the only thing that would get me back into theaters for another Disney Wars movie.
No joke, I'd pay to see that.
Make it happen, please!
Or she says “Reyy… BEES” and shoots a swarm of bees out of her mouth, which start a new galactic campaign.
“Rey, honey. Your parents just left in a blue Honda Civic. It’s not the same one.”
They both left to get some green milk twenty years ago, and haven't come back.
Looked like a Pinto to me.
Heck, *I* have an old (2007) blue Honda Civic, and that make and model really doesn't change its appearance much from year to year. I regularly see others just like it in parking lots almost everywhere I go.
@@commandercaptain4664 Ah, the car with that one fundamental flaw. Classic Star Wars.
I had a blue Honda Civic once.
It was a distress purchase, from Gumtree, when my previous car extremely broke down mid-journey in Glasgow.
"Bulletproof engine" crowed the listing, but the engine was a colander for distributing oil onto the road.
Scrapped it a few months later…
Honestly Hux doing everything out of Pure Spite was the funniest part of the movie and an absolute mood
It makes all of my Kylux fanfiction all the more enjoyable
@@JMarchel do they hate fuck? Do you have a link to your work 👀
@@La-PetitMort jesus fuck 😂
@@JMarchel got any Sheev-lo stuff?
@@ozmarichardson6524 I'm not judging but Jesus Christ.
I'd just try browsing ao3, you can filter by pairing
Rey naming herself Skywalker definitely feels like they picked the title of the movie first and got all the way through the script before realizing that "Rise of Skywalker" had nothing to do with anything that had happened
Indeed. Studio Board meeting "Hey guys, a bunch of SW nerds on twitter are complaining that The Last Jedi made luke into a flawed wimp, and now any old joe can be a jedi now! What about the freakin' midichlorians?! We need to bring things back Old School style!" "I Got it. We need to put "Skywalker" in the title!" "Yep, that'll attract those fans that are in fact only a small visible demographic of the true SW fanbase that we actually shouldn't care so much about."
Well the same thing happened in Phantom Menace so the series has a record of it.
@@weneedaladder8384 Phantom Menace pretty clearly refers to the Sith running things behind the scenes but not properly revealing themselves until the end of the movie. A more accurate comparison would probably be The Force Awakens, a film wherein the Force does not, at any point, awaken. Because, uh, that's not how the Force works.
The last Skywalker, Ben Solo rises out of the pit to save Rey. Palpatine says himself that Ben is the last Skywalker btw. That's partly what the title refers to.
its um... stylistically designed to be that way? 😆
this video is still the only way i've experienced this film and i regret nothing
This video is ten times more entertaining than the actual movie. You’re not missing much
This and the Red Letter Media review.
Same lol Also through the Reylos mega edit of the sequel trilogy (with improved ending!)
Me: watched Jenny read Foster’s Rey-cyborg fan fiction right before going to see the Rise of Skywalker
The first ten mins of the film: Organa puts a meaningful hand on Rey’s shoulder and says “never underestimate a droid”
Me: No
lmfaoooo
I think you mean Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Also: clones of snoke
Bless this comment and bless you, I was screaming
Yo I felt the exact same
Rey should have said “I am the Senate” when that old lady asked who she was
Missed opportunity smh
Or when she said "I'm all the Jedi"
Rey "The Senate Jr." Skywalker
@@sour_peckanmix "I'm every Jedi! It's all in meeeeee! Any duel you want done baby, I'll do it naturally. Oh. Oh. Ohoh."
"It's treason then..."
@@lycanrocx1121 LMFAO 😂😂
I know there's a lot of disagreement about which of the Disney Star Wars movies are good or bad or for what reasons, but at least we can all agree that picking directors for each movie who ACTIVELY DISAGREED with each other on where the overall story should go was an unfathomably bad idea.
Yeah, they should’ve just given someone their own trilogy. Either JJ , Rian, or someone else, idc, just make it one person’s vision.
It’s ultimately what doomed the trilogy, there is no cohesion
they should have just done the correct thing....... gotten m night shyamalan for the last.... "TWIST!"
I get the suspicion it was going to be three different directors total, the third taking the first two and tying it all up, but then TLJ got lambasted by fanboys, Disney got gunshy and brought back Abrams, and we got this mess.
@@The11thEvilEx
As far as I can see, that would have been equivalent to what we got. The issue was the change in directors in itself, not in going back to the first director for #3. Whoever did the third movie would still be stuck with the task of tying together two prequels that just don't get along.
The "your son will die" vs kylo dying issue feels like the sort of problem that happens when a prophecy is introduced into a story before the writer decides how it's going to be resolved, and then several installments later they clumsily try to twist the events to match and it doesnt quite fit. But it sounds like the prophecy is both introduced and resolved in this movie! So when JJ decided how the end was gonna go, why didnt he rewrite the prophecy to fit it better??
Always assume the soothsayer/scroll/dream frog spouting prophesy is full of shit.
Behind the scenes, this movie clearly had a lot of rewrites. It's a Frankenstein's Monster. Maybe in whatever version of the script originally that prophecy it made more sense.
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who? Who are your people?"
"I have no people"
"Rey... Solo..."
Seriously this would've made so much sense
Would have been so much better haha! Good job!
I'm Rey...Rey-turn of the Jedi....sigh.
Rey who?
Rey Liota
Dude, I was so ready for that. It woulda been perfect and also made the Solo movie have some vague relevance.
literally gasped aloud at the “rey killed her own parents” idea… delivered without theatrics and yet an infinitely better reveal than anything in the actual movie
It was painful to hear because it is SOOOOOO DAMN GOOD! I just wanted something in this movie to have even a 1/10 of the resonance I got from hearing this idea...
What point of the video is this? I can't find it
@@iapples38 49:30
I really liked the backstory. Especially when compared to kylo
It actually gives something interesting for Rey to have done and to deal with.
The problem isn't that Rey's OP, it's that they didn't do anything very interesting with her after TFA. She's a vanilla wafer. Our favorite movie heroines (Ripley, Sarah Connor) go THROUGH it in the sequels.
My favorite moment in RoS is subtle and I haven't heard anyone else mention it: when Kylo calls the First Order meeting about the spy in their midst, he gets side-tracked by sensing Hux's dislike for his new helmet. It's brilliant that, from Hux's point of view, he knows Kylo can read his thoughts, and is vain, and so he blasts the thought "KYLO'S NEW HELMET LOOKS DUMB" to get Kylo off the subject of the spy while letting Kylo like he's won something over Hux and is therefore still in control. Great manipulation, it's a pity the rest of Hux's decision-making and characterization isn't to that level.
“Oh yeah Hux was gonna be our villain but we have Palpatine now. I guess make him a spy and then shoot him”
@@liamross340 and then replace him with Hux 2.0 the older, gruffer model.
@@eoincampbell1584 some people say that TRoS is anti TLJ, I don't agree at all. I think TRoS is anti sequel trilogy. The great twist plot of this trilogy: Palpatine takes away the wall paper and the carpet; we are still in episode vi.
This is the greatest observation ever 🤣
it's so cool that i'm pretty sure it was done on accident.
The way Jenny says “like a pickle” and it cuts because it sounds like she’s gonna start laughing is the best
In the Reylo fandom we’ve giggled about pickled Snokes for years now. It’s the single worst and best thing in the entire movie.
@@Persephone_Personifiedhonestly i have not interacted with this franchise until recently and after hearing so much about this legendary reylo community that keeps being published i was SO sure reylo was a gay ship I was truly so sure that reylo was gay and now im watching these videos in shock and disappointment
10/10 line reading
The whole thing about rey being sold into what is essentially slavery in order to "protect her" is all the more moronic when you realize that both luke and leia went through exactly the same experiences, as they needed to be hidden from vader and the emperor, but instead of being sold to a mercenary, they were given to a there aunt and uncle, and to a king of a planet respectively. Like come on did they just forget the plot of the previous movies.
We are talking about a man who's said he hates thinking about what a scene or line means, so you're asking far too much of him
"did they just forget the plot of the previous movies." I don't think they even watched the previous movies :D
@@Dampfaeus I mean, JJ seemed to do that with Into Darkness so there's precedent. Side note: Star Trek Beyond is a much better sequel to ST '09 and deserves more love.
All the good hiding spots were taken
@@blokey8 Into Darkness and Beyond are almost the exact same movie, JJ is the worst
Until this video, I never even thought about the fact that Kylo Ren would have known Chewbacca his whole life. Another thing this trilogy did terribly.
Well that’s why Chewbacca didn’t fire a deadly shot with the bowcaster at the end of force awakens
That's okay, nobody who knew Chewie for a really long time cared for him all that much in this entire trilogy.
@@swagromancerHan?
@@sackthebastardno. That's just shitty writing.
Chewie would have been his goddamn godfather !
I had to go back and watch it, but she really does say, "she's not on Jakku"
which is literally the second worst thing you could say, right behind, "she's on Jakku" if you're trying to hide your daughter on Jakku.
I thought she was doing a jedi mind trick but that might have just been me trying to make sense of a movie that doesn't make a lot of sense. If she's not doing a mind trick...why would she say that?! Yeesh
She's on jakku might be better, cuz they would think you surely wouldn't give it up that easy
@@CalebRogers808 bwahahaha
@@bookshelfhoney she wasn’t doing a mind trick, neither of Rey’s parents had force powers and the one who would is her dad who was palpatines son(clone?).
🤣
Adopted Father figure - Han SOLO
Adopted Mother figure - Leia Organa formerly 'SOLO'
Falls in love with - Ben SOLO
What's your name?
"Rey SKYWALKER"
Bro, WHAT?!
It’s funny that Solo is even Ben’s last name at all given that it’s just some nickname a random imperial bureaucrat gave Han in an airport. TBH he should have been Ben Organa, given that Bail Organa was a kind and loving father, and a pivotal member of the rebel alliance, not to mention it would be a nice memorial to Leia’s family on Alderaan.
Yeah, Skywalker came out of nowhere.
@@PhantasmalBlast I refuse to believe that's how he got the name solo. In fact most of the Disney start wars I refuse to believe is canon because most of it is so so stupid, especially the last jedi onwards
"Why did he make more Snokes? What will they do for him at this point?"
Ah, my child. You can never have too many Snokes on hand, just in case. My mother always used to say, that a Snoke in the hand is worth two in the bush, and not to put all your Snokes in one basket.
Momma always said life was like a jar of Snokes, you never know what your gonna get
My mom used to send me to gas station when she ran outta Snokes.
@@WritesMethis makes me imagine snokes grown from little capsules like foam dinosaurs
You could say he was a "chain Snoke-er."
I could've sworn endless Palpetine clones were a plot point in the old EU, and it was as dumb then as it is now, but I could be misremembering.
1:02:31 ”The worst thing a franchise ending can do is make you feel kind of stupid and embaressed for being so excited about it in the first place.” is a really powerful line
Legit. Definitely applies to Game of Thrones. I can't even watch earlier seasons because I know what idiocy it all leads to :(
I think we witnessed the end to "The Millennial Falcon"
@@TheAussiePencil so true! I used to love it and now I can barely stand thinking about it. There are some shows that get bad in later seasons and you just tell people to stop after season XYZ. But GoT fucked up so royaly that it taints even the good seasons.
The only thing this movie made me feel was insulted. That they thought any viewer would be stupid enough to enjoy this vapid slop.
I guess they were ultimately right though, there are still legions of weirdos who endlessly hate on TLJ with incoherent reasons (like saying Rian ruined Luke's character as if he wasn't going down the logical continuation of what was set up in TFA) and praise RoS.
As someone who watched both Star Wars and GoT, it was a double gut punch having both series end like that within only a few months. Big enough that I haven't really gone back to watching anything in any of the fantasy subgenres since.
He was a Skywalker and she was a Palpatine. Could I make it any more obvious?
He murdered his dad and she killed his master. What more can i say?
Sk8walker Boi
He wore high pants, and she'd never tell, that she thought Ben wore leather really well...
We're all dating ourselves😂
IM WEAK LMAO
The knife map is something that would show up in a puzzle in a PS1 or DS game because it would show off/justify the fact that it can use 3D models.
Plus weird puzzles using whatever key items you have are relatively expected in that medium.
Thats an insult to the clever puzzle design of the original playstation games. Example, silent hill. Puzzle items have connections to the lore and inform you about the world while also informing you in a clever way how to solve the puzzle. Rey just straight up happens to be standing in the exact spot she needed to be for the bullshit knife ruler to match and everything works out cause screenwriting is hard.
It did make me think of Professor Layton, or like that part in Ace Attorney where you have to rotate a pot to get it to match up with the silhouette in the drawing
So, an ace attorney game? Prosecutor Palpatine taking over when we get prosecutor Ren a penalty for murdering a witness.
Ah yes, Palpatine the humble Snoke farmer, peacefully tending to his Snokes
I love this.
It ain’t much, but it’s honest work
Farming ? Really? A man of your talents?
@@alexbrundage4733 Lol I was just about to say that 😂😂😂
Perfectly balanced, as things should be.
"Rey who?"
"Rey, Rey Palpatine,
Jakkus greatest love machine."
I need a parody of this
She was a cat who really was gone
I loved that song.
why? why would you do this to me?
Jakku's (apostrophe)
I like to imagine Rise of Skywalker as an RPG where all the decisions and dialogue are a player trying to choose the worst options every time.
So true god it feels that way
@@roachybill It's not even that, the game just has the one ending.
@@owo5869 OwO?
Darths and Droids is only half-way into Force Awakens, but could be.
Feels like improv
Perhaps others have said this already (I realize I'm watching this video over four years later), but I remember feeling so disappointed by the decision to have Kylo and Rey kiss. I was really into the story of their connection over the course of the movies, but the feeling that I thought came through most strongly from Kylo was loneliness. I wish they had just embraced after he revived her - a physical gesture of care for each other that isn't necessarily romantic, and demonstrates that he's not alone. It would have felt so much more meaningful to me. Having them kiss just felt so lazy, like someone playing with dolls, and it took me out of it just before he died so it undercut the emotional impact of losing him.
I get what you're saying, but if you have a young attractive women who struggles with loneliness, and a young man who struggles with it, and they bond over that, that's kinda gonna happen... I don't think we have to be allergic to that idea. Not to mention there was some (even if it was the absolute bare minimum) romantic development with them in TFA and TLJ. Not as much as there should've been, mind you. But it was there.
Anakin's lightsaber was buried in sand, the final roast.
This deserves each and every like.
C O A R S E AND R O U G H AND IT G E T S E V E R Y W H E R E
Daughter Of Frankenstein anakin be screaming no forever now
Daughter Of Frankenstein Oh god. I just realized that that!
Ethan Alfonso - Anakin was a bit of a whiner, wasn’t he?
i feel like most of the writers for this trilogy forgot that jedi weren't supposed to have families, and like **most** of them never had children and you don't need to be descended from someone to use the force
which is wild because the entire premise of force awakens is that the Force Awakens in a bunch of people who are completely unrelated to it.
and then they forgot.
A-fricken-men
Yeah, I always wonder why people wanted to know who Rey's parents were because they wanted to know why she got her powers. Who are Mace Windu's, Kenobi's or Yoda's parents.
@@bebo2629 Except those characters, you know, TRAINED like Luke to get their powers I imagine. If I'm wrong I stand corrected. Rey was just perfection out of the gate, so the question then is, come on writers throw us a bone here, is there a reason why she's overpowered or is it you're just idiots. Turned out that there was a reason, her Palpatine bloodline (although why did it skip a generation?), AND of course they're also just idiot writers because the whole trilogy is a dumpster fire.
That's why people wanted to know. Then of course TFA kind of thrusts her parents in your face as a mystery box, it does want to suggest here's a question that will get answered along the way, so there's that too, you're primed to wonder who her parents are.
@@WokeBegone How was Rey perfet? She does not win a single fight against an other force user on her own?
Lines of dialogue Ben Solo says after his redemption
Ben Solo: "Ow"
it is frustrating yes, but maybe that's a good thing, they'd have ruined it with idiotic dialogue like the rest of the movie. They just let Adam do his thing and I think it worked for the best.
He got blasted by Chewies crossbow, something that sends people flying, and grunted.
But that hurt?
@noisyflowers In my theater it was actually when they kissed then he died for no reason
Tomato Melvin There was a reason... Ben didn’t want to commit to a relationship, so he force faded out real quick.
@@CharlieTooHuman dude really said ow and dipped
I like to play club music while I play this video and pretend we’re at the club and this girl is yelling everything in my ear over the music
I don't know why this doesn't have more likes lmfaoooo
I'm just thinking of that scene from American psycho with defoe and bale at the restaurant
This is the greatest idea I heard all day!
Could we do an edited video like that? It can't be too hard.
You win the comment section lol
My favourite part of the movie was when Palpatine ruined his own plan by telling Rey the entire thing
The writers now, are like "It's supposed to be cheesy..like the OT." However, the OT is only cheesy because it has old fashioned values of heroism imho.
The real secret plan was the one we were told about...openly.
Subverting expectations good, subverting awful tropes bad!
@@Generationrhino Well, if everyone would fucking decide whether they wanted it like the OT or to be its own thing, the writers could settle on something.
Come to think of it, he kinda did that with Luke.
Rey enters Tosche Station
Rey: "I'm here to pick up some power converters"
Station Clerk: "Name on the order?"
Rey: "Skywalker."
Luke Force Ghost: **Thumbs Up**
Ending that finally resolves the power converters and supports small business and keeps the cringe.
If I could give you worthless Reddit points for this comment I would
And then the walking bassline from Seinfeld plays.
Tosche station kept those converters for 50 years. Best customer service ever
Can uncle owen and aunt beru be force ghosts as well
This is canon.
I would've loved a back and forth between Kylo and Rey where they keep healing eachother, dying, and then re healing eachother, dying, and so on so forth.
That would’ve been more entertaining than the dog crap ending we got
The ultimate No U Championship
That's what supernatural did
until it just sort of....ends
Reminds me of Order of the stick.
Slash
"Cure light wounds"
Slash
"Cure light wounds"
Slash
"Cure light wounds"
"Grrr!" Slash slash slash slash slash "Huff Huff Huff"
"Cure moderate wounds"
"Screw this, I'll order Thai."
"Go team Cleric!"
your star wars hotel video was youtube algorithm-ed into my feed and I watched a little but then I binged your entire the vampire diaries video and I was hooked. Went back and finished your star wars hotel one and now I am systematically working my way through your catalogue. I had no idea this was the content I needed in my life. I feel like you and defunct land could team up on something awesome
im an idiot, you did collab with defunctland
@@paddyspub7225 Kyle did a voice cameo in the Evermore video (as the lawyer dragon IIRC), and Jenny guested on his podcast… not sure if they did other collabs beyond that though, I’m not caught up on Defunctland.
i am also going through her whole catalogue after the star wars hotel video!!!
A friend said it was "Concept Art: The Movie" and that really stuck with me.
The trilogy is the story of one storyboard artist’s desperate attempt to make a series of movies at least visually enjoyable, even when 75% of the rest of production is collapsing in on itself.
Visually great though. .. I have to admit
All the money in the world can't rescue a badly written script.
@@treasurehunter3369 It is, I got a real kick out of the cinematography and the set design As over the top it was, it was enjoyable. Maybe the only reason I enjoyed some of it in hindsight.
That’s so true. It has no depth.
Wonderful, internet-friendly numbered list:
1. "The opening crawl" (0:54)
2. "Palpatine is alive" (2:28)
3. "Palpatine made Snoke" (3:43)
4. "Palpatine uses his powers to raise up, like, five hundred Star Destroyers, and all of their crews and stuff, out of the ocean where he has been hiding them" (5:40)
5. "At a point in the story at which Kylo Ren has already found out that the voice of Vader was Palpatine the whole time and he's not even loyal to Palpatine and he's figuring out a way to defy his orders, he then goes to his room and touches the Darth Vader helmet in order to commune with it as though he still thinks it's Darth Vader" (6:21)
6. "Jannah" (7:00)
7. "Any time a character arrives at a planet in this movie they have a shot of the character walking away from their landed spaceship" (7:42)
8. "Chewbacca exploding" (8:16)
9. "The map to Exegol" (12:46)
10. "Rey's parents sold her to protect her" (15:43)
11. "The *SPY*" (19:37)
12. "Leia's death, and prophecy, and everything else involving Leia" (22:20)
13. "Finn's 'arc'" (26:52)
14. "Finn is Force-sensitive" (30:10)
15. "The Knights of Ren are dumb and then they die" (31:20)
> INTERMISSION TIME: "So, I'd like to take a brief intermission to talk about some things that I actually liked" (31:27)
16. "Things I put in my prediction bingo cards ironically, but then they actually happened in the film" (33:31)
17. "The entire climax of the movie" (34:35)
18. "The Force dyad" (42:25)
19. "Kylo Ren's death" (44:41)
20. "The dark Rey fake out" (48:52)
21. "Rey Palpatine" (52:46)
22. "Rey Skywalker" (55:49)
i can't believe this doesn't have more likes, well done for doing this!
This is nuts, kudos!!
The whole Palpatine thing and Rey Skywalker (which was bullshit) were the worst ones for me. That and the spaceship on jakku thing, I couldn't tell what happened either. Did Reys parents take a u turn and get killed somehow, and then ochi gets killed near the ship?? Maybe they did have the same ship.
Another theory is that Reys parents got off world, got killed by ochi and he took the ship to get Rey but fucked it up and died. That's just awful, what a terrible employee to have who fucks up that bad. How many fuck ups can an assasin do in a couple of days, where they get this guy from, the parole board.
Yo thanks for the timestamps, dude!
+
“I’m Rey”
“Rey who?”
Smiles to the distance
“Rey Rey Abrams”
Sister of Jar Jar
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
Smiles to the distance
"Rey STAR WARS™"
She should have just farted loudly as a response.
@sabizos5897 *end credits roll music plays*
Rey Mysterio (booyaka booyaka)
Palpatine exclaiming to the galaxy "WHAT'S UP, SUCKERS? I'M ALIVE!!!" is the most un-Palpatine like thing ever.
But it's something Ian McDirmand would do
My headcanon is that Palpatine was actually not prepared for Rey yet and the "you must kill me" thing was just him trying to reverse-psychology her.
And he wasn’t actually expecting Kylo he was just bluffing and playing some recorded mp3 file.
My headcanon is that she kills him with her head cannon
@@NotQuiteFirst how long have you waited to say that?
Palpatine: No balls, you won't
My head cannon is that Han and Chewy got some crazy herbal substance from Lando and shared it with Luke and Leia and this whole trilogy was some bad space acid trip the four of them had.
The real Star Wars: Episode IX: Rise of Skywalker was the Snokes we cloned along the way.
oh god
am i a snokes
dndboy13 we are all snokes
@@Flatcetera It's Snokes all the way down
Snokes on a plane
The rise of Snokes
damn, the ending is actually really tragic for Rey. starting alone, ending alone, with 2 different dead families
she even personally killed or witnessed the deaths of almost all the other remnants of both families along the way! if you add Solo then it just gets even more depressing
@@jaxietoon Thus, her fall into the Sith begins. Isolated and alone, she stews on her failures, realizing if she had just had more power...
And then we hear Palpatine laughing quietly
@@tomechan5139 oh WAIT now I’m fucking interested 👀
@@tomechan5139 instantly 10x better
@Gwendolyn depending on ur politics they do that all the time, moreso imo by refusing to tell complex narratives properly and trying to grey villains who do not have a grey morality- it drags the heroes down. The way they white and black hat characters leads to a lot of protagonists who are like, genuinely bad people with terrible ideas that deserve deconstruction and critique. And then they just. Don’t.
I get what you mean though. It’s just too off brand tho so I doubt they’re ever gonna give it to us in a way that doesn’t do a lot of harm :/
Leia clutching the medal from the battle of Yavin... that she didn't receive. Like a high school football coach wearing a print overrun t-shirt from the '96 semifinals
Wasn’t that Han’s medal? Wouldn’t a better analogy be a widow clutching her passed husband’s war medals on her deathbed?
When people ask me what my favorite star wars qoute is, which happens all the time i assure you multiple times a day, I always say "Somehow Palpatine has returned" so great. Not only did it tell us NOTHING, it also proved that even the characters in this universe also knew NOTHING. Love to see it, its filmmaking at its very best.
It was pretty considerate for the filmmakers to let us know so early in the film that it was a lazy hack job.
See also:
My favourite line of writing in all of literature is,
"THE DEAD SPEAK!!!"
I feel like it was the screenwriter throwing up their hands and just waiting for the fandom to come up with an explanation.
@@help4343 10 sec in - ok this is gonna suck worse than the Last Jedi..
Disney has spent so much time trying to explain this through other Star Wars media. The books said he’s a clone… and then he cloned himself again (I guess?) because Rey’s dad was a clone too. Despite the actor playing her dad having supermodel good looks… no shade to Ian McDiarmid, but he’s didn’t look like Rey’s dad (his theoretical clone son). His face has more character, and he’s already played a younger Palpatine in the prequels. Also, the tv shows (Mandalorian, ObiWan series) have tried explaining things on the side. There’s a scene in Mando where he sees what looks like baby Snokes lmao. And ObiWan stumbles upon something similar, but with former Jedi stuck in some kind of stasis. Disney keeps trying to write in clues, like they’ve had this plan all along. But we all know, “somehow Palpatine has returned” was a last minute edit. JJ himself said he wasn’t sure if it was going to be Palpatine or ObiWan as her dad.
I love how the only time her eyes light up throughout this whole thing is when she's talking about that slug
That slug has a name! It's Klaud. Klaud Skywalker. reddit.com/r/SaltierThanKlaud/comments/ezo2ci/but_klaud_is_a_slug_not_a_caterpillar_no/
@@stephenleblanc4677 Yeah Klaud was good
@@stephenleblanc4677 Sharing a reddit link on youtube is the absolute definition of cringe
@@ahabduennschitz7670 what gave you the authority to be cringe police
If only the movie had a corn maze
Palpatine dying was such a big moment in the 6th episode and star wars in general, his death was the result of Darth Vader becoming Anakin and the light winning over the dark. It was the beginning of a new era and simply bringing him back seemed lazy.
It's just dumb fan-service like the rest of the film.
With the resurrection of Palpatine, both the Original Trilogy AND the Prequel Trilogy were utterly destroyed. That's why the Sequel Trilogy CAN NOT be Canon.
Well, Supreme Leader Kylo Ren felt like the dawn of a new era too. Unfortunately Star Wars isn't the place for that stuff any more.
Did you expect them to actually come up with new ideas.
@@unsweetenedfruit the genuinely amazing bit to me is that people act as though this isn't par for the course with Abrams. The man's franchise career is based on remixing films he likes.
12:00 "Wow, Finn is really bad at object permanence!"
The idea of Finn not having object permanence, a skill that toddlers develop, is so funny to me lmao😂. Makes me wish that was the actual explanation for it.
"I'm Rey"
"Rey who?"
Looks off dramatically to the horizon
"Rey Star Wars"
Cousin of Sans Undertale and the Undertale family.
I hope you’re the original person who tweeted this.
Rey Star Wars makes sense. She is pretty much God at this point
Wow its like we both saw the exact same tweet! Lol!!!!! That's so hilarious hahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow this is a tweet from twitter dot com how original of you!!
He was a Skywalker. She was a Palpatine. Can I make it any more obvious?
I snorted
He was a Vader boi...she said see you l8ter boi...
She salvaged junk...he murdered kids...they really hit the skids
He wanted her, she could just tell. They're probably cousins as well. He works for Snoke, she rides a cool bike...they both have a helmet that they really liiiiiiiiiiike.......
So he threw her down an exhaust shaft?
They had a fake/manipulated father-son relationship with ulterior motives?
The biggest missed opportunity with Rey Palpatine is they should have made Palpatine act loving and grandfatherly to her. He should have seduced her like Anakin but even more effective because of her desire for family. There should have been a scene of Rey reluctantly fighting Kylo while she claims through tears that no, Palpatine is good she can see it when he's actually just manipulating her. The best villains are ones that exploit the deepest weakness of the protagonist. Palpatine could have done this to Rey better than anyone else. It could have been perfect. He could have offered her family. But, no they made him space Hitler zombie Satan and they fought with swords. Huge missed opportunity.
While I disagree with Rey Palpatine, having Sheev be manipulative would be more accurate than keeping this a secret from her.
Yes! Exactly! They even missed that opportunity. That would have been a perfect fit if Palpatine was to come back!
Yes, but the problem with this, it would have required caring about the whole thing, and understanding basic concepts about storytelling and SW
Damn that would've been really cool to see. That manipulative and kind old man comes back for a moment, saying things about how all he wanted was for his granddaughter to come back to him.
It would've immediately explained how this man could've possibly had a family. If he employed the same tactics he used with Anakin, I think he could absolutely have a family, and he could absolutely manipulate Rey too.
And then Rey would have like an actual moral dilemma instead of "do I get the power to save my friends but lose control of my body, thus rendering this power useless and this decision incredibly obvious"
‘Space Hitler Zombie Satan’ accurate
"This film is just a weird checklist of things that are meant to satisfy star wars fans..." Is exactly how I felt about the The Force Awakens and why I did not watch the other two. I couldn't see them coming back around from the parade of obvious references thrown in your face in the bluntest way possible. It felt insulting.
Same. Watched them years later just out of curiosity and opportunity. First one was obvious social justice messaging mixed with plot line regurgitation or even cloning. Second felt like it was building... Something. Lotta plot holes but I tried to stow any logic as best I could after all, this is star wars where gravity is exactly the same everywhere there is no such thing as air pressure and all air is breathable. And space wizard knights with laser swords that aren't lasers clash. Anyways!
But then I saw the third movie, and it took me by the hand and gave me an immersive experience into what psychosis feels like.
Han Dying was absolutely Harrison Ford’s checklist🤣
One planet only exists to make Poe straight
True dat. Lmao.
and a drug dealer.
the power, to be so obviously in love with your friend that the writers invent a whole world to try and deny it
@@pixelpeas ehhhhhh i wasn't surprised
@@NealCatastrophe which is the problem. they did that just to to fulfill racist stereotypes about latino characters. it sucks lmao
I can't believe someone actually wrote "they sold you to protect you"
'Gotta protect this kid, might as well make some money doing it!'
Right, because if a galactic evil wizard wanted to kill my daughter, selling her would be my first option as well. Luke? Given to his aunt and uncle. Leia? Given to this rich royal family who always wanted a daughter, on a peaceful planet. Rey? Sold to a junk merchant. Solid plan.
Andrew Deen it sounds like a wattpad fanfic
And why kill the parents if you cant find the grandchild? Wouldn't his son or daughter been able to take the throne?
@@smasher.338 my poor beleaguered brain has only just registered this obvious fact. Yet another nonsense event in the meandering confused mess they have for a 'plot'! 😂😅
They couldn't have redeemed Kylo earlier and have him hanging awkwardly off tbe edges of their group bc that would be too similar to Zuko's arc and they can't be seen anywhere near actual good writing
They used the whole "I'm all the Avatars" thing though.
This video made me want Jenny's version of RoS. Or any good fan-created version, really.
@@gnocchidokey there's a lot on the web, and in pretty much all flavours. Kylo as the villain, Hux as big bad, resurrected Snoke, take your pick. Just be ready to filter aggressively if you're not looking for Reylo stuff (though I can also point you to a fic or two there).
Hey, kylo here! -awkward wave-
@@LilyMaidenLove 😄 lol
“Weird Fan Film” is kind of how I feel about a lot of the new Star Wars projects. They all feel way too self aware that they are in a Star Wars. Like a slightly larger budget Star Wars Hotel show.
Some of the Disney+ shows are pretty good IMO. My main gripe is with the sequel trilogy.
"Kill me"
"no"
*Kills him*
*The resistance wins*
what
I think it's because she died at the same time, so his soul was just gone.
@@SailorOrbiter "DAMN IT! The ONE thing I didn't plan for!"
Ah ah ah!
"Hey, JJ, how we end the final fight?"
"Ehm...We can...I don't know...Ehm...Why don't we copy a previous film? It worked so well whit episode seven."
The writers were just incompetent from start to finish, over the whole trilogy, it's astonishing they took so little care of their billion dollar franchise. Anything would do, no quality control, they felt entitled to your money.
She didn't kill him herself, she redirected his force lightning against him, so essentially she forced him to kill himself. I thought it was pretty obvious that's what the writers were going for when I first watched the movie but considering I haven't seen anyone else talk about this interpretation I'm second guessing myself idk
Finn has:
1) An implied crush on Rey.
2) A shared kiss with Rose.
3) A continuous dynamic with Poe.
4) A kindred soul in Jannah.
Finn ends up with no one.
Honestly, I'm someone who believes that films can and SHOULD end without a "Big Damn Kiss". But when a character's arc is built around making connections and deciding who he's going to be, and that identity is intrinsically linked to MULTIPLE people, then this arc is incomplete.
Incel Finn
Well we got two lesbians kissing, totally not out of place at all with the complete lack of romance in the rest of the film.
@@MrRyan-wu4jx It was a 2 second cutaway. That way it's super easy for Disney to cut the scene from overseas markets.
Disney hired a bus load of writers and directors who had no unified vision and they passed Star Wars around like a Tijuana hooker. Of course they left loose ends.
W Rizz
"I've organized my thoughts into...a numbered list"
Me: *wipes tear* as it should be
Pretty sure Jenny is my fav youtuber. Seen this plenty of times, but still laughing out loud. I wish I knew ANYONE irl with that sense of humor. Can't wait for this year's easter play!
Jenny 1 week ago: This pitch is unnecessary and stupid. I sure hope this isn't actually the plot
Jenny now: oh no
I swear on everything I was so excited when hux FINALLY GOT SOME CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT but there was a gay couple behind me that just straight up lost it. But when was literally killed ten seconds after, dying the most boring way, the two guys behind me literally said "well that's it" AND THEN THEY GOT UP AND LEFT THEY JUST LEFT THE THEATER WITHOUT LOOKING BACK AT THE SCREEN and boy I was THAT close to joining them.
Same! As soon as Hux died, I mentally checked out of the film. Probably the best decision I made that night.
Evil Clever Dog about when rey “kills” chewie then the very next scene they show chewie all fine and dandy was when my brain checked out as a defense mechanism.
After they screwed his character in TLJ, i consider this a mercy killing.
@@LOTRFAN33Explain
@@MyScorpion42
Hux was set up to be Snoke's top General (at least there is no indication otherwise) but even if not, he was not a buffoon in TFA. Over the top? Sure. In TLJ he was made to be a buffoon and it just didn't fit with how he was in TFA.
“The Dead Speak!”
-opening text of film that contains several scenes featuring footage of an actress who had died before film was written
omg I did not think of that. holy shit
That's a big yikes
@Aquinasish I have been wondering if like, Disney now owns the likeness of Carrie Fisher, because that would also be a bit yikes
_Nervous unsettled chuckle_
Oh fucking hell
Shmi: “There was no father.” Translation: “I followed the Palpatine rock tour when I was as younger, but I signed an NDA. Last I heard he was dating a Gungan.”
"Pouring your life force into somebody, kissing them and then falling over dead and vanishing from this plane of existence is also awkward on a first date"
Dang, I *knew* I was doing something wrong!
i literally had to refrain from bursting out laughing in the theater because when palpatine shoots lightning into the sky it sounds exactly like one of those bass boosted meme edits
i laughed way too loud when rey just ACCIDENTLY zapped that ship and i felt like such a dickhead 😂😂😭 but it was just THAT shockingly bad to me
@@damien678 Shoot I did the same in Taiwan which have very different movie culture (make absolutely no sound)
Good thing is there’s not much people there to see that fuking movie.
IMMA FIRIN MUH LAZOR
the ancient meme came to pass
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I was crying laughing in the theater by the end of this movie. It was my last movie theater experience before covid and I had a blast.
Fin: "Rey! Rey! Rey! I never told you-"
And then he never did.
It’s a story for another time....
(John Mulaney voice) And then I *didn’t*
He was like Stewie Griffin from Family Guy. - "Mom... Mom... MOM... Mommy... Mommy... Mama... MAMA... Ma... MA..."
This made me laugh more than it should have 🤣
A good question....😑
Just a little hindsight 4 years later:
Rian Johnson has gone on to write and direct two Knives Out mystery movies that simultaneously brought back and subverted the murder mystery genre, with at least two more coming. He has been nominated for multiple awards for both films.
JJ Abrams has not written or directed anything for television or film since The Rise of Skywalker. His executive producer credits are not for anything of note. He has not been nominated for an award since 2016 for The Force Awakens.
Well I think people are also starting to realize that JJ did the bare minimum with the Star Trek reboot as well and maybe he shouldn’t be as revered as he is.
It truly made me reexamine and more importantly fact check what little I thought I knew about JJ, and yup. He also he didn’t have nearly as much to do with the early promising parts of Lost as I thought. And when he has made things that had potential, it was always in tandem with someone else.
Not saying it’s impossible that he’s good or that he sometimes jumpstarts good things, but in hindsight it’s just… significantly less common than I remembered.
This doesn't change the fact The Last Jedi was crap.
@@frankkennedy6388 True but somehow lots of people did enjoy it, which led to it being divisive. JJ was guilty in Force Awakens of being derivative and Rise of Skywalker was near universally disliked. I don’t like Last Jedi but Rian Johnson at least tried something, even if that something was half baked, hollow attempts to subvert expectations.
@@chan_martin Who are these nutcakes who enjoyed TLJ? They need help!
Wait...Rey's mom LITERALLY SAYS "she isn't on Jaku" when being interrogated?
OH MY GOD who wrote this?
Like a five year old who, when a parent walks into the room, just kinda yells "I didn't eat the cookie!". Because that's, ya know, not an instant tell.
@@ouijedanse exactly!
jar jar abrams
I definitely didn't steal a police car and drive it into a lake. Yeah, I know you didn't ask about that, but I just wanted you to know, I definitely didn't do that.
In my headcanon, Rey's mom was a Palpatine and she did the hand wave while she said it.
"an era of filmmaking where it seems more important to make sure that the audience doesn't predict what's going to happen over making a satisfying ending"
Subverting expectations indeed
The crazy thing is that jenny did predict Ray Palpatine 😢
I actually prefer the endings and plots that aren't predictable, because it's boring to follow the same basic storyline every online fan wants. This is part of why I loved The Last Jedi.
I'd say the problem with RoS is much more the opposite: all the story beats and plots are dumb and contrived for the sake of erasing all of the new, interesting lore built up in the last movie. They retconned all the actual character development so they could check off the boxes of Star Wars Thing Fans Want to See.
That honestly feels like a copout for not being a skilled enough author to set up and pay off stuff
@@amityislandchum There's a huge difference tho between being able to predict the story because it's predictable and being able to predict the story, because it's written properly and consistently.
Fans can predict the later, because there are some crazy theorycrafters who comb trough every bit of lore and notice every little detail, so they can figure it out where the story will go. And it's a super fun thing to do.
But what these movies do, is just throwing random shit at the audience and then pat themselves on the back, that no one was able to predict it. But it all happened because they write a story like a 4 year old, who just comes up with bullshit on the go, when they notice that a problem in the story needs to be solved.
Eternally pissed that they dropped the development of a perfectly platonic friendship between Rey and Finn and I can’t even remember exactly what they did to Rose, but I loathe that too.
What did they did to Rose was literally nothing, at all. They gave her absolutely nothing to do because some stupid haters disliked the character so much they pretty much just wrote her out.
@@GeneralKenobi75 yep. They caved to incels.
Because you can’t have friends in space? Sort of like underwear?
It obviously wasn't platonic and there was romantic interest between the two. We see it with FInn multiple times and Rey a few(like when she knew about Rose and Finn). But Disney or someone at Disney must have a, 'NO FEMALE LEADS WILL HOOK UP WITH MEN' mandate. Because I honestly can't recall any female lead(apart from Beauty and the Beast and Alladin-both revolve around love stories) that have romantic relationships with men. Rey, Raya, Mulan, Maleficient, Frozen, Cruella, Nutcracker etc. Unless you're a remake or existing story that revolves around a romantic relationship, there ain't gonna be one in a female fronted Disney movie. Closest you're gonna get is a male pal, or really close female bonds.
@@GeneralKenobi75 "some stupid haters disliked the character so much"
She attempted to murder Finn in order to kill everyone he was trying to save. That would be fine as a "she's actually a villain" kind of twist but the movie portrayed her as if she was doing the right thing which made her an unbelievably stupid character to the point where it was better for the story to just pretend like she never existed.