Hey folks - thanks for watching! A few of you have asked what that nifty charging stand is, it's $14 on Amazon, been using it since last year at my desk: amzn.to/30qGGmz
HONESTLY I’d just be happy if Garmin supported naps in their sleep data (multiple sleeps) would be a simple update. Also as somebody who’s nocturnal I usually don’t sleep until early in the morning which the watch recognises as a new day which confuses. Things on the watch. Cheers for the video
absolutely. This is one thing that steers people to fitbit over a garmin. I don't see why it can't be done. And body battery should be adjusted accordingly and also increase accuracy of battery levels between awake movements. not just total length of sleep time. For example. If I wake up every hour or two for 8 hours I shouldn't have more body battery then if I slept for a straight 4 or 5 hours with same low stress levels.
I think Only Fitbit does support 24 monitoring where polar is limited to the longest sleep you had and there’s limitations even for manual updates, garmin has more control but it would be great if they support naps.
Installed yesterday and as most of the software features on the fenix 6 it is full of bugs and completely unusable. it tracked yesterday 3.5h of REM without stop and the day after complained that i did not have enough REM !! ahah! great stuff garmin!
Were there any improvements to the actual sleep tracking algorithm? I find it does not track awake very well - e.g. I would get up to go to the bathroom and it would just record that as light sleep.
I'd love to see you do a Fitbit vs Garmin sleep tracking comparison. I'm not a huge fan of my Fitbit but I still wear it because it seems to have the best reviews for sleep tracking.
Garmin only adds features to their latest models. Sleep processing is done also in Fenix 5 - but they won't develop a widget to display it. They want you to buy a new watch for it.
Thank you very much for all the great information your channel provides (always a like click). I was hoping that as more watches are providing sleep information that a comparative analysis could be done -- like what you are doing on the GPS and Heart Rate comparisons. This would help to validate a watches algorithms for determining sleep cycles. Would be super cool, but it might mean you are wearing two or more watches to bed. Thank you -- Keep up the great work!
Thanks for the usual in depth review. About time Garmin added some attention to sleep metrics. they are way ahead in terms of hardware they need some intuitive software to really elevate the experience
My question is whether you can have it use this info to pick a more optimal time to wake up. I specifically bought a Garmin to use with Sleep as Android because then I can have it change my alarm to wake me up when I'm already sleeping the lightest in a given 30 minute window. This has made a HUGE difference in how much I keep hitting snooze - saving me time, energy, and ridding me of that awful experience. It's really strange to me how so many people track sleep and then do absolutely nothing with it despite there being a great thing to do with that data!!! I also would love to have it natively on the device, as the Sleep as Android app goes through periods of buggy-ness and in general is often overcomplicated/hard to get it to do quite what I want.
@@samayres-mcgonigal3149 You set a window. Say for example I need to wake up at 7:00 AM at the latest. The default window is 30 minutes (though you can set it differently). It then tracks my sleep and wakes me up at whatever time from 6:30 to 7 AM that I'm sleeping lightest. Bigger window means better chance of it being able to actually find a section in said window where you're sleeping lightly, but too big and you may wind up waking up a lot earlier than you need to. I personally found one hour works best for me, but it depends on the length and consistency of your sleep cycles. You can also have it command lights, slowly fade on music (and go from gentle music to more intense), among other things. But it's complicated and I find they ruin features often and for long periods of time before fixing them. For example it used to be that you could have the lights fade on slowly like a sunrise, but now it appears the ONLY option is a flashing on and off which isn't much more gentle than a normal bedside alarm.
Yay, another Sleep As Android user! :) I also bought my FR935 specifically because I could use it with the Android sleep tracking app. It's too bad that it uses so much extra battery compared to the native sleep tracking, but honestly the FR935's sleep tracking is really poor by itself, it can never figure out the exact time of my awake/sleep times even. Sleep tracking is super useful, both for long term trends, and for waking you up in the right state, as you say. Not sure why more people and companies are not paying attention to it.
@@hngldr very interesting. I'm on the fence with which smart watch to go for, torn between a fenix 6x pro or the 945. Is the feature you're mentioning an app for android that syncs with the Garmin sleep data?
I'd LOVE to buy this or the forerunner 945, but I just hate the fact knowing, they might release a new one, 2 - 3 months after I bought it. So I'll wait for the next fenix or forerunner.
I still think Fitbit is doing a way better job tracking sleep than any other device right now (Garmin, Samsung, not sure about Withings or Apple watch 3rd party apps). I own and wear in parallel a Fitbit Ionic and a Garmin Vivosmart 4. I use the Ionic for sleep tracking and smartwatch features + GPS and the Vivosmart 4 for SpO2, Stress tracking, Body Battery and V02 Max. Nobody says you can't use both, no compromise, one looks like a watch and the other one looks like a band, so you don't look like the ultimate geek freak :D
I hope it is pushed to the garmin forerunner 245 users too, the current version could use improving. I understand the garmin 2 year product cycle would make it a cost issue for this price tag, but it would do wonders for continued customer confidence and loyalty to the brand to have a 3 year software update support cycle, especially as cheap gps watches from chinese brands get good (and most importantly, because they also can license the same thing because of the scale of expected sales).
My Garmin watch tracked my sleep only 1 night and I can’t get it to track anymore. I have the heart monitor on, pulse ox set to sleep only, I have my sleep and wake times (but I don’t always go to sleep or wake up exactly around what they’re set for) …what other options do I need to look at to see why it stopped working???
Mine is worse than when the app did the calculations. As soon as I wake in the morning it stops analysing sleep even if I fall back to sleep a couple of minutes later.
Hi, I am new to garmin. I purchased 6s saphire couple of days ago and had an firmware update on 27th September. Automatically there were sleep data in that night without pulse OX reading. I don't know, what settings i have tuned or what happened, it is now recording any sleep data and pulse OX reading. How can i solve the issue? Is there anything to be done in power management? Also, i did sleep in day time, but the watch do not record any sleep data automatically, which is several times cheap huawei watch 2 does. I brought this watch to monitor blood OX in sleep due to sleep apnia and now i am kind of lost
Fenix 6 prices dropped dramatically and some models are out of the stock at many retailers here in Canada. New product coming or distribution issues? Interesting...I’ll be on a lookout.
@Peter Cheney why not? I heard in the video a number of other watches that he predicted would get the update. Not sure why Fenix 5 is excluded. They want to give motivation to us upgrading?
So what are all the official metrics? I see first beat has “Sleep Score” and “Sleep Coach” on their website under their offered services. The sleep coach looks really nice if that’s what’s offered because it seems to offer suggestions based on sleep quality the next morning. Regardless, on First Beats website they claim that sleep score is derived from ANS activity while sleeping which would put this in direct competition to polar sleep score and perhaps nightly recharge. Polar should take note because a stand out feature that made their platform a lot more polarized (pun intended) may now have a new competition with sleep score on the Fenix devices.
For sleep now, they’re specifically leveraging multiple components out of what Firstbeat dubs their ‘Firstbeat Sleep Solution’, which includes three core components, though, Garmin appears to be leveraging only two of those specifically. - Sleep Detection Component: This is where Garmin gets the time you fell asleep and woke up, as well as the sleep stage detection (Awake/Light/REM/Deep) - Sleep Analysis Component: This takes the Sleep Detection bits, and then analyzes the components to determine a sleep score and a small text explanation. Additionally, the ‘restorative quality’ (e.g. good/fair/etc), is based upon HRV. HRV is also used to determine/show the Stress & Body Battery bits elsewhere in the watch (also FirstBeat features). Note that there are other standalone features that Garmin isn’t leveraging. For example, there’s the Sleep Quality Assessment module. But Garmin is basically getting that data from the Sleep Analysis feature, whereas the Sleep Quality module is used by Suunto for the Suunto 3/5/9 watches. Additionally, Garmin isn’t at this point leveraging the Sleep Coaching feature (the third component of the Firstbeat Sleep Solution), which is sorta the long-term end-game of this line of thinking. The idea that you could take all this underlying sleep data and then give *specific* training focused recommendations based on that sleep. In other words, if you got three hours of crappy sleep from a redeye flight or screaming babies, it’d say ‘Skip the run tonight’, or ‘Make the run a bit easier’ or such. You can see a rough demo of that concept on the Firstbeat site. Note that Polar does use ANS for sleep related metrics in the Ignite, Vantage M, Vantage V, and Grit X.
@@Dcrainmaker Hi Ray. the thing that I struggle with is Garmin say that for a HRV test you should use a chest strap as optical isn't accurate enough to measure HRV yet the stress measurement and body battery is based from the wrist based HRV. How's that work (I assume it's degrees of accuracy)?
DC Rainmaker Thank you very much for all that information. I had a hard time deciding between the Grit X and the Fenix 6 because of Nightly Recharge and how Polar was able to leverage the nightly HRV measurements. I like that it give me advice on what to do with them. I ultimately in the end gave up nightly recharge and sent the Polar back in favor of the multitude of extra features the Fenix offered me. I am glad we are finally seeing some cohesion of data with these platforms. My background is in exercise physiology and I have a pretty heavy interest in HRV as a tool for detecting levels of training load. The issue, however, is how to measure HRV. I think polar had the right idea of using nightly trends and felt this was better than a single morning measurement. Whoop had potential too but we all know how that went....I also like how Stress Score on First Beats end helps me see how much my HRV isn’s recovered after a heavy day of intervals and life stress. With this new bit of information from the sleep score it seems everything is finally becoming a little more holistic. Let’s just hope sleep coach isn’t a Fenix 6 Plus future feature with an exclusive license for that device only haha.
I haven't checked the specifications of this licensed thing. Will it be usable for smart wake up? Moving this computation to the watch can have this enormous advantage. Something I am waiting for a couple of years now.
Honestly not much use unless the algorithm is actually improved. My galaxy active 2 and gear S3 nailed when I fell asleep and actually woke up. My 6X just assumed lying in bed immediately = sleeping. It's the only feature I wish Garmin would work on. Then this watch would genuinely be perfect.
Great video. Thank you. Do you have any videos or advice using ‘sleep mode’ for shift workers. i.e. recording sleep out of designated hrs during the day. Thank you in advance 👍😊
You might be right. When it becomes an obsession, it will definitely worsen the quality of sleep, not improve it. I experienced this issue a couple of years ago.
When they will officially release the update . I will be really happy to see sleep hours on the watch It will help me alot . This is the best watch on the market right now
Hey I am looking to buy a Smartwatch. I have to decide between the Apple Watch 5, the galaxy watch active 2 and the Fenix 4 refurbished because my budget is 400 dollars. Which one should I buy if I want Good Smartwatch features as well as good tracking?
That really pisses me off. They completely abandoned this watch. I love it but i hate cheaper 245 has many features 645 will never have. Still asking more money and still selling it. I just wanted barometric altimeter so i took 645 instead of 245. Really hate this attitude by Garmin..
Any way to do these updates from a Mac? I do not have an "IBM-compatible PC running Windows 2000 or later..." as the website says is needed. FYI for mac -- you need to use "Android File Transfer" to move the files, otherwise works just fine.
Does anyone have a suggestion on which watch would be best to track sleep, if you're a bi-phasal slepper? Garmin only tracks the night time sleep, so tracking of the daytime sleep is missing.
Whoop user here and looking for a fitness watch and Garmin is in my mind. How did they compare? Whoop has been proved very accurrate but what about Garmin?
I read from Matthew Walker that the only way to have good sleep data is to do it in a lab as the data acquired with the hearth rate monitor and gyro meter is not good enough to determined whether you're on REM or Stage 1 to 5 of deep sleep. So really wonder how good at sleep tracking this thing is.
It depends on what you want out of it. I've never found much value in sleep stages/phases. However, tracking the rough amount of time I've 'slept' each night is valuable longer term.
Hello, would you help how I can access my watch files since we are only using MAC. I can sync my Fenix 6X using Garmin Express but I am not able to view the watch in Finder so I can copy music and files to the watch. Thanks! p.s. I do not have access to a Window PC.
Hi, Please could you tell me how to go back to the latest official firmware?, some steps or a link to follow?...I just noticed that since I have this beta installed It also erased the maps (sky is the only one remains...). Thank you in advance!
I bought Fenix 7, it is not able to detect itself when you fall asleep, you have to set a time interval in which you think you will sleep. I can sleep 5 hours a night, he considers 8. In the end he shows me that I slept 8 hours and that 3 of them were REM. Is there another way to calculate yourself? There is a Fitbit at 200 euros that does this perfectly, you don't need to spend 600+ euros.
Does this still work as cant seem to find sleep on garmin Esports watch on phone app now ? also garmin 6 pro is there any updates coming for this watch i did a reset so looking what latest update is for this one ?
@DC Rainmaker & others peoples, is the 9.98 firmware version is a "stable" version for my fenix 6x pro or a beta firmware ? my fenix device is stuck at 9.0.0.0 firmware
click down to 'training & status" // You see 'fitness & load'//click down once/click down again/click down again/RECOVERY!! (then click 'back' (lower right) twice to go back to watch)
The Samsung Galaxy Active 2 can track your sleep, any sleep (not just the night one, also the naps). I use it and it works really well. don't know if it's better or worse of the Garmin, or if its data are good or not. I'm just a normal user and I bought it for it smarwatch features, the sleep tracking it's a bonus :)
Really enjoy your blog and these videos are very helpful. However, I think you are talking too fast! It gets in the way of the quality of the content IMO. Not sure if there's much you want to do about that but I thought I'd share. Keep up the good work.
I am here to find out how to add afternoon nap of 90 min. Garmin is not good when it comes to sleep. Fitbit ionic was excellent in terms of sleep tracking.
I have a Fenix 5S and find the sleep tracking terrible. It's near useless to me tbh. I had a Fitbit Charge HR and an Apple Watch 3 and found the Apple did the best job (by far) using a 3rd party app. Fitbit was close, Garmin a distant 3rd. This is based on my own manual tracking of when I went to bed, woke up, or got up in the middle of the night. I gave up on sleep tracking with Garmin, using it only for activity tracking now.
Hey folks - thanks for watching! A few of you have asked what that nifty charging stand is, it's $14 on Amazon, been using it since last year at my desk: amzn.to/30qGGmz
DC Rainmaker does it work for the Fenix 6? On Amazon, it is not listed.
I don’t see this option on garmin tactix
Is this applicable to delta tactix?
My Quatix 6 got them too :-) I think about two months ago.
HONESTLY I’d just be happy if Garmin supported naps in their sleep data (multiple sleeps) would be a simple update. Also as somebody who’s nocturnal I usually don’t sleep until early in the morning which the watch recognises as a new day which confuses. Things on the watch. Cheers for the video
I agree!
can't you state your usual bed times? I think it's also why it doesn't do naps too well. It needs a time frame. My 2 cents, I might be wrong.
Try working shifts. It doesn't see half my sleeps. Also doesn't recognise any deep sleep after the first half hour.
absolutely. This is one thing that steers people to fitbit over a garmin. I don't see why it can't be done. And body battery should be adjusted accordingly and also increase accuracy of battery levels between awake movements. not just total length of sleep time. For example. If I wake up every hour or two for 8 hours I shouldn't have more body battery then if I slept for a straight 4 or 5 hours with same low stress levels.
I think Only Fitbit does support 24 monitoring where polar is limited to the longest sleep you had and there’s limitations even for manual updates, garmin has more control but it would be great if they support naps.
Installed yesterday and as most of the software features on the fenix 6 it is full of bugs and completely unusable. it tracked yesterday 3.5h of REM without stop and the day after complained that i did not have enough REM !! ahah! great stuff garmin!
I'm glad i won't have to look at the app for this anymore. The Fenix 6s is my first time dipping into this range. I am enjoying it thus far.
Woot!
DC Rainmaker but does it calculate sleep on the watch or do you still have to sync with phone?
Garmin ALWAYS gets my before bed reading as sleep, so curious to see if this is different. Does pulse-ox figure into the score at all?
Were there any improvements to the actual sleep tracking algorithm? I find it does not track awake very well - e.g. I would get up to go to the bathroom and it would just record that as light sleep.
I'd love to see you do a Fitbit vs Garmin sleep tracking comparison. I'm not a huge fan of my Fitbit but I still wear it because it seems to have the best reviews for sleep tracking.
Same here (Fitbit ionic currently). Also reading other comments, Garmin does not track naps while Fitbit does?
Garmin sleep tracking is junk compared to Fitbit.... Have owned both the Ionic, Fenix 5S Plus and Venu.
Garmin only adds features to their latest models. Sleep processing is done also in Fenix 5 - but they won't develop a widget to display it. They want you to buy a new watch for it.
Thanks. I was looking for it in Garmin IQ...
Is it coming to the vivoactive 4
Thank you very much for all the great information your channel provides (always a like click). I was hoping that as more watches are providing sleep information that a comparative analysis could be done -- like what you are doing on the GPS and Heart Rate comparisons. This would help to validate a watches algorithms for determining sleep cycles. Would be super cool, but it might mean you are wearing two or more watches to bed. Thank you -- Keep up the great work!
Thank you for the information it would be great if there’s a comparison between some of the brands in sleep analysis.
that would really be interesting. Hope he reads your comment :D
would be interesting to watch indeed.
He didn't reply. I guess he doesn't read this.
It was about time!! Great feature
Thanks for the usual in depth review. About time Garmin added some attention to sleep metrics. they are way ahead in terms of hardware they need some intuitive software to really elevate the experience
Any idea if the Fenix 5 will get the sleep module??
On my Garmin Venu the sleep duration is sometimes horrible wrong...
Cool widget! I have the Fenix 6S! Thanks for sharing.
Does the FR 945 support these advanced sleep features Firstbeat?
My question is whether you can have it use this info to pick a more optimal time to wake up. I specifically bought a Garmin to use with Sleep as Android because then I can have it change my alarm to wake me up when I'm already sleeping the lightest in a given 30 minute window. This has made a HUGE difference in how much I keep hitting snooze - saving me time, energy, and ridding me of that awful experience.
It's really strange to me how so many people track sleep and then do absolutely nothing with it despite there being a great thing to do with that data!!!
I also would love to have it natively on the device, as the Sleep as Android app goes through periods of buggy-ness and in general is often overcomplicated/hard to get it to do quite what I want.
Do you manually adjust your alarm to wake up when you're sleeping lightest based on the data? Or is the change in alarm automatically changed ?
@@samayres-mcgonigal3149 You set a window.
Say for example I need to wake up at 7:00 AM at the latest. The default window is 30 minutes (though you can set it differently). It then tracks my sleep and wakes me up at whatever time from 6:30 to 7 AM that I'm sleeping lightest.
Bigger window means better chance of it being able to actually find a section in said window where you're sleeping lightly, but too big and you may wind up waking up a lot earlier than you need to. I personally found one hour works best for me, but it depends on the length and consistency of your sleep cycles.
You can also have it command lights, slowly fade on music (and go from gentle music to more intense), among other things.
But it's complicated and I find they ruin features often and for long periods of time before fixing them. For example it used to be that you could have the lights fade on slowly like a sunrise, but now it appears the ONLY option is a flashing on and off which isn't much more gentle than a normal bedside alarm.
Yay, another Sleep As Android user! :) I also bought my FR935 specifically because I could use it with the Android sleep tracking app. It's too bad that it uses so much extra battery compared to the native sleep tracking, but honestly the FR935's sleep tracking is really poor by itself, it can never figure out the exact time of my awake/sleep times even.
Sleep tracking is super useful, both for long term trends, and for waking you up in the right state, as you say. Not sure why more people and companies are not paying attention to it.
Nope, nuttin. Been long asked for!
@@hngldr very interesting. I'm on the fence with which smart watch to go for, torn between a fenix 6x pro or the 945. Is the feature you're mentioning an app for android that syncs with the Garmin sleep data?
I'd LOVE to buy this or the forerunner 945, but I just hate the fact knowing, they might release a new one, 2 - 3 months after I bought it. So I'll wait for the next fenix or forerunner.
or try another brand and #dontbuyaGarmin
I still think Fitbit is doing a way better job tracking sleep than any other device right now (Garmin, Samsung, not sure about Withings or Apple watch 3rd party apps). I own and wear in parallel a Fitbit Ionic and a Garmin Vivosmart 4. I use the Ionic for sleep tracking and smartwatch features + GPS and the Vivosmart 4 for SpO2, Stress tracking, Body Battery and V02 Max. Nobody says you can't use both, no compromise, one looks like a watch and the other one looks like a band, so you don't look like the ultimate geek freak :D
I hope it is pushed to the garmin forerunner 245 users too, the current version could use improving. I understand the garmin 2 year product cycle would make it a cost issue for this price tag, but it would do wonders for continued customer confidence and loyalty to the brand to have a 3 year software update support cycle, especially as cheap gps watches from chinese brands get good (and most importantly, because they also can license the same thing because of the scale of expected sales).
Weird thing..
My venu sq does track my sleep and pulseOx, but when I go into my My Day widget options to turn on the sleep display, it doesnt work
From this pont, I wonder if Garmin can at last make they F935 series works stable again like before
Hi! Is this also for the Vivoactive 4 or Venu?
My Garmin watch tracked my sleep only 1 night and I can’t get it to track anymore. I have the heart monitor on, pulse ox set to sleep only, I have my sleep and wake times (but I don’t always go to sleep or wake up exactly around what they’re set for) …what other options do I need to look at to see why it stopped working???
how do you get it to sync with Garmin connect? it will show all the sleep stage pulse and respiration but not the sleep score. Thank you for any help!
Could it appear on 245 by any chance do you know?
Is there meanwhile an update for the FR 945?
Still is not there, is it?
Mine is worse than when the app did the calculations. As soon as I wake in the morning it stops analysing sleep even if I fall back to sleep a couple of minutes later.
Hi, I am new to garmin. I purchased 6s saphire couple of days ago and had an firmware update on 27th September. Automatically there were sleep data in that night without pulse OX reading. I don't know, what settings i have tuned or what happened, it is now recording any sleep data and pulse OX reading. How can i solve the issue?
Is there anything to be done in power management?
Also, i did sleep in day time, but the watch do not record any sleep data automatically, which is several times cheap huawei watch 2 does. I brought this watch to monitor blood OX in sleep due to sleep apnia and now i am kind of lost
What type of new tech/features are coming to watches in the near future?
Fenix 6 prices dropped dramatically and some models are out of the stock at many retailers here in Canada. New product coming or distribution issues? Interesting...I’ll be on a lookout.
Im glad to see your sleep is as bad as mine :D
Been comparing Garmin sleep data with Oura Ring (1 yr.) ... and, the Oura Ring is far superior and accurate.
Slap in the face for Fenix5+ owners.
@Peter Cheney why not? I heard in the video a number of other watches that he predicted would get the update. Not sure why Fenix 5 is excluded. They want to give motivation to us upgrading?
Thanks, but mine says "no sleep data recorded" :( Any suggestions, please?
Can’t find this widget on my FR945 😬 (software updated)
Can u download it on the Fenix 5X plus as well? Or are they done adding to the Fenix 5 Plus serious
Does somebody knows where to find such charging hub which was shown on the begging of the video?
Ask and you shall receive! amzn.to/30qGGmz
I have the 745 and am pretty bummed this widget is not on it :\ I just came over from a FitBit charge 3 and it has been standard for quite some time.
So what are all the official metrics? I see first beat has “Sleep Score” and “Sleep Coach” on their website under their offered services. The sleep coach looks really nice if that’s what’s offered because it seems to offer suggestions based on sleep quality the next morning. Regardless, on First Beats website they claim that sleep score is derived from ANS activity while sleeping which would put this in direct competition to polar sleep score and perhaps nightly recharge. Polar should take note because a stand out feature that made their platform a lot more polarized (pun intended) may now have a new competition with sleep score on the Fenix devices.
For sleep now, they’re specifically leveraging multiple components out of what Firstbeat dubs their ‘Firstbeat Sleep Solution’, which includes three core components, though, Garmin appears to be leveraging only two of those specifically.
- Sleep Detection Component: This is where Garmin gets the time you fell asleep and woke up, as well as the sleep stage detection (Awake/Light/REM/Deep)
- Sleep Analysis Component: This takes the Sleep Detection bits, and then analyzes the components to determine a sleep score and a small text explanation. Additionally, the ‘restorative quality’ (e.g. good/fair/etc), is based upon HRV. HRV is also used to determine/show the Stress & Body Battery bits elsewhere in the watch (also FirstBeat features).
Note that there are other standalone features that Garmin isn’t leveraging. For example, there’s the Sleep Quality Assessment module. But Garmin is basically getting that data from the Sleep Analysis feature, whereas the Sleep Quality module is used by Suunto for the Suunto 3/5/9 watches.
Additionally, Garmin isn’t at this point leveraging the Sleep Coaching feature (the third component of the Firstbeat Sleep Solution), which is sorta the long-term end-game of this line of thinking. The idea that you could take all this underlying sleep data and then give *specific* training focused recommendations based on that sleep. In other words, if you got three hours of crappy sleep from a redeye flight or screaming babies, it’d say ‘Skip the run tonight’, or ‘Make the run a bit easier’ or such. You can see a rough demo of that concept on the Firstbeat site.
Note that Polar does use ANS for sleep related metrics in the Ignite, Vantage M, Vantage V, and Grit X.
@@Dcrainmaker Hi Ray. the thing that I struggle with is Garmin say that for a HRV test you should use a chest strap as optical isn't accurate enough to measure HRV yet the stress measurement and body battery is based from the wrist based HRV. How's that work (I assume it's degrees of accuracy)?
DC Rainmaker Thank you very much for all that information. I had a hard time deciding between the Grit X and the Fenix 6 because of Nightly Recharge and how Polar was able to leverage the nightly HRV measurements. I like that it give me advice on what to do with them. I ultimately in the end gave up nightly recharge and sent the Polar back in favor of the multitude of extra features the Fenix offered me. I am glad we are finally seeing some cohesion of data with these platforms. My background is in exercise physiology and I have a pretty heavy interest in HRV as a tool for detecting levels of training load. The issue, however, is how to measure HRV. I think polar had the right idea of using nightly trends and felt this was better than a single morning measurement. Whoop had potential too but we all know how that went....I also like how Stress Score on First Beats end helps me see how much my HRV isn’s recovered after a heavy day of intervals and life stress. With this new bit of information from the sleep score it seems everything is finally becoming a little more holistic. Let’s just hope sleep coach isn’t a Fenix 6 Plus future feature with an exclusive license for that device only haha.
I haven't checked the specifications of this licensed thing. Will it be usable for smart wake up? Moving this computation to the watch can have this enormous advantage. Something I am waiting for a couple of years now.
My 245 forerunner got it, but only in the app or online. Still nothing on my watch.
How long will it be before this gets pushed to non-beta users? I enjoy not being a beta tester...
It's hard to tell and varies a lot. My guess is a few weeks usually.
@@Dcrainmaker thanks
Hi, does anyone know if this is coming to the fr245 as well? Thank you.
I still don't quite understand, is the sleep algorithm being proceed without syncing to phone then internet? Meaning completely offline
Honestly not much use unless the algorithm is actually improved. My galaxy active 2 and gear S3 nailed when I fell asleep and actually woke up. My 6X just assumed lying in bed immediately = sleeping. It's the only feature I wish Garmin would work on. Then this watch would genuinely be perfect.
As noted, it's an entirely different algorithm from an entirely different company.
DC Rainmaker I did catch that, I just wondered if it’s any ‘better’ so to speak.
I’m about to buy a Garmin Fēnix 6 Pro and Sapphire but I’m worried the new Fēnix will come out very soon. What to do? Any suggestions? Thanks!
Great video. Thank you. Do you have any videos or advice using ‘sleep mode’ for shift workers. i.e. recording sleep out of designated hrs during the day. Thank you in advance 👍😊
I have the epix 2
Does this work in the tactix delta?
I sleep better when I don't obsess over sleep metrics.
You might be right. When it becomes an obsession, it will definitely worsen the quality of sleep, not improve it. I experienced this issue a couple of years ago.
Remove the widget
When they will officially release the update . I will be really happy to see sleep hours on the watch
It will help me alot . This is the best watch on the market right now
Typically beta features live in beta for a few weeks, sometimes longer, sometimes shorter.
@@Dcrainmaker will it cause problems to the watch if i installed the beta?
I do have it in my Vivo 4s.....love to see this data
How did you get it?
Yes, how please?
Hey I am looking to buy a Smartwatch. I have to decide between the Apple Watch 5, the galaxy watch active 2 and the Fenix 4 refurbished because my budget is 400 dollars. Which one should I buy if I want Good Smartwatch features as well as good tracking?
Can I get this widget on FR245? I don't see it when I try to add new widget but I can see it in the app on my phone
Is there any chance of it coming to the 645?
I really hope so😭
Unfortunately not. :(
That really pisses me off. They completely abandoned this watch. I love it but i hate cheaper 245 has many features 645 will never have. Still asking more money and still selling it. I just wanted barometric altimeter so i took 645 instead of 245. Really hate this attitude by Garmin..
Would you recommand buying a Fenix 6 in june 2020 ? Do you think the 7 is coming soin? The 6 Pro is on sale here in Canada for 750 instead of 950.
Hi!! Thanks a lot for that!! Any idea why I can’t find the Sleep widget on my Fenix PRO 6???
It’s still in beta. You need to download the beta.
DC Rainmaker any idea when the proper one will be available??
I suspect this week.
Hope this comes to the 735XT!
Any way to do these updates from a Mac? I do not have an "IBM-compatible PC running Windows 2000 or later..." as the website says is needed.
FYI for mac -- you need to use "Android File Transfer" to move the files, otherwise works just fine.
Yes, any computer is fine. It's just a file to download and put on your Garmin.
Does anyone have a suggestion on which watch would be best to track sleep, if you're a bi-phasal slepper? Garmin only tracks the night time sleep, so tracking of the daytime sleep is missing.
Whoop user here and looking for a fitness watch and Garmin is in my mind. How did they compare? Whoop has been proved very accurrate but what about Garmin?
Will it come to vivoactive 4s?
Nothing at this point. :(
Is this one or any other functionality updates coming to the 935 as far as you know?
I read from Matthew Walker that the only way to have good sleep data is to do it in a lab as the data acquired with the hearth rate monitor and gyro meter is not good enough to determined whether you're on REM or Stage 1 to 5 of deep sleep. So really wonder how good at sleep tracking this thing is.
It depends on what you want out of it. I've never found much value in sleep stages/phases. However, tracking the rough amount of time I've 'slept' each night is valuable longer term.
Hi Ray! I downloaded the beta as per the link but for some reason the widget hasn't appeared in my widgets even when I go into add. Any ideas?
Will the add this for Fenix 5 when fully released?
Nice! Thanks.
No problem!
Hello, would you help how I can access my watch files since we are only using MAC. I can sync my Fenix 6X using Garmin Express but I am not able to view the watch in Finder so I can copy music and files to the watch. Thanks! p.s. I do not have access to a Window PC.
Figured it out!!!
Hi,
Please could you tell me how to go back to the latest official firmware?, some steps or a link to follow?...I just noticed that since I have this beta installed It also erased the maps (sky is the only one remains...). Thank you in advance!
Any plans for a Huawei GT 2 review? I searched your channel and was surprised to not see one. Thanks.
awesome, so... when do i charge the watch?
Does it exist on the tactic delta?
I bought Fenix 7, it is not able to detect itself when you fall asleep, you have to set a time interval in which you think you will sleep. I can sleep 5 hours a night, he considers 8. In the end he shows me that I slept 8 hours and that 3 of them were REM. Is there another way to calculate yourself? There is a Fitbit at 200 euros that does this perfectly, you don't need to spend 600+ euros.
Does this still work as cant seem to find sleep on garmin Esports watch on phone app now ?
also garmin 6 pro is there any updates coming for this watch i did a reset so looking what latest update is for this one ?
@DC Rainmaker & others peoples, is the 9.98 firmware version is a "stable" version for my fenix 6x pro or a beta firmware ? my fenix device is stuck at 9.0.0.0 firmware
Is this available on Fenix 6 pro? I noticed the Fenix 6 and 6 Pro have different software versions.
In beta, yup!
Hello, where can I find recovery time? Thank you
click down to 'training & status" // You see 'fitness & load'//click down once/click down again/click down again/RECOVERY!! (then click 'back' (lower right) twice to go back to watch)
Does this beta work for the Tactix Delta?
I really wish the Fenix 5 would get an update, can't afford the 6 just yet, I'm gonna try and save for the 7 if one arrives
Don’t buy the 6 not worth the money at all
Are naps outside of your sleeping timezone now tracked?
Sadly not.
I run at lattes version, but I don't get sleep widget...how do I can get ?
Still waiting patiently on the Garmin Descent MK 2 (hopefully in a Fenix 6X form factor)
Is there a samsung smart watch that can do all these features? And if so could you please tell me what model and if is as accurate as garmin?
The Samsung Galaxy Active 2 can track your sleep, any sleep (not just the night one, also the naps). I use it and it works really well. don't know if it's better or worse of the Garmin, or if its data are good or not. I'm just a normal user and I bought it for it smarwatch features, the sleep tracking it's a bonus :)
@@Mendo25 thank you for your answer, yeah same as you, actually looking for a smart wstch but I was wondering if samsung could do that 👌👌
Will this com to the forerunner 745?
You tease! Should I wait until tomorrow before I buy a new Garmin?
Nah... #dontbuyaGarmin
does it works on 935?
Really enjoy your blog and these videos are very helpful. However, I think you are talking too fast! It gets in the way of the quality of the content IMO. Not sure if there's much you want to do about that but I thought I'd share. Keep up the good work.
Is that on the FR945?
No
I am here to find out how to add afternoon nap of 90 min. Garmin is not good when it comes to sleep. Fitbit ionic was excellent in terms of sleep tracking.
Why sleep tracking on fr345m only available to watch it at ur Connect app but not on my watch,.. silly
This is slightly unrelated, but do you have any "insider" knowledge on when/if TrueUp will support Body Battery?
Hey this will not sadly no as someone who has insider knowledge it won’t at least not in the near future
Where I install this widget? I have a 6X Pro and I can’t find it between all the widgets
See the description link.
I have a Fenix 5S and find the sleep tracking terrible. It's near useless to me tbh. I had a Fitbit Charge HR and an Apple Watch 3 and found the Apple did the best job (by far) using a 3rd party app. Fitbit was close, Garmin a distant 3rd. This is based on my own manual tracking of when I went to bed, woke up, or got up in the middle of the night. I gave up on sleep tracking with Garmin, using it only for activity tracking now.
How Long will you get updates for a Garmin Watch?
Still not on the 945??
Sigh...still.
Does it track the number of times you smack yourself in the face with this giant watch while you sleep? Can't imagine leaving this thing on at night.
Why don't you recommend updating before a race?
I tried to download the new firmware but it didn’t work. Still on 9.0. When will it be updated through GCM?
Whenever they exit beta. They released another beta build in the last week, so still some tweaking.
Thanks been looking at this seeing the Polar Grit X, really interested in the HRV recovery stuff. Is this likely to roll down to Fenix 5?
Sadly, nothing will roll down to Fenix 5. Even the 5+ will not get new features. Buy a new watch, if you want new features. That’s Garmins strategy.