@ExhaustSportsAuto thanks. Dutch owner before 1 owner car. Superbly taken care of. Here in EU probably even more rare than US. Although hybrid sold slightly more than 460 due to emissions here. I never see an LS no matter the model year here.
Fortunate owner of an Ls600hl 2016 model with executive package from UAE. Super rare find. Bought it in 2021 for usd 40k. Hybrid battery needed replacement. Over last 3 years replaced hybrid battery, control arms - cost usd10k . Cosmetic stuffs - ceramic coating, tinting, painted break callipers red - usd3k, consumable expenses over 3 years- new 4 tyres, new break pads, cabin filter, engine flush - 2k. I love my car to bits. It drives like a dream... You look forward to long journeys. It comes with a comfort mode only available in this model... Basically for wafting.Acceleration is effortless even at high speeds of 140 kmph. Fully loaded with Gizmos.. InfraRed camera for night time driving, driver monitoring, break hold function, double panel glasses, automated curtains, entertainment TV and massage chairs for the back seat. It even has foldable tables forthe back seats like in an aircraft. Only regret... Not being able to spend time in the back seat - that's where the real fun is... Car is not suitable for families with small kids, from the back seat you can control the entertainment and radio and from the driver side you can't overrule this. One time I was on the highway fast track at 140khph and the rear right tyre burst.. I could feel the benefit of the AWD, car remained super stable and remained in the lane and safe my life.!
I really dont see the point unless you have a driver and you can relax in the back seat. Its a great car but its like driving a phantom around, youre supposed to have someone else bring you around in it.
I watched your videos on the ls460 and 600 and decided to buy a 2014 ls600hl, I have been driving it since December, and it is the best car I have ever driven, it's a unique experience and love every minute in it.
@@MeynMotorGroup i appreciate them man...I've actually gotten bored of the current auto market because they're all the same now (EVs with a steering wheel + one big screen 🥱). so now I find myself looking at older vehicles for entertainment.
@@MeynMotorGroup LOL at least that one is still traditional. That 30 yr old VQ engine still purrs... I recently purchased an Armada ('22 SL) and it's a stone cold beast. I'm sad that the new one will no longer have the V8
@@JokerG16 nice! Great choice love the Armada so underrated everyone goes straight to Tahoe but the Armada is a tank that many have forgotten about SL trim is nicely loaded this Pathfinder I’m reviewing is also an SL you did great with that purchase
@@user-Red5hield-exp0ser I should tell you I did it the most expensive way possible: Updated OEM parts, dealer installed. I also replaced all 4 air shocks in the same way. The front end (upper and lower control arms) I think ran US$8k. I documented everything on Ih8mud, if you are interested. Also, Kevin (the UA-cam reviewer that does this Meyn channel) documented refurbishing his LS460 (same suspension as our 600’s) using non-OEM parts and an independent tech. Keep in mind he did it pre-pandemic. In any case if you have a technician you trust, do not hesitate to go that route.
Agreed, the 2008 LS600hL is a nice and very responsive ride on the highway. I purchased mine about a year and a half ago after looking at numerous 460's. Aside from some of the maintenance issues I had to resolve after purchase I'm very happy with it. This is my 3rd Lexus vehicle now. I think the hybrid qualities basically just make it a more powerful and more responsive ride overall while getting about the same mpg as the 460. To me it's a nice addition to have I didn't really buy it for the mpg anyway. Thanks for the review I enjoyed it very much!
@@dibaz1 Well, to start with the vehicle had just under 100k miles on it when I got it. I had to replace the front air shocks due to the upper support bushings being cracked,worn and noisy. That was the main thing. As the vehicle has a transfer case with a clutch pack it had some chatter and vibration during slow turns. This was remedied by changing the transfer case oil a few times and using synthetic oil with an additive purposed for limited slip differentials. I changed all the oils in the vehicle and decided to go with Amsoil products for all the lubricant oils needed. So far so good 👍.
Had a 2006 GS430 loved it then 2 Yukon Denalis and with gas was ready to get a car again traded the 2012 Denali in for a 2013 LS460 F sport and I don’t regret a thing this is the best car for the value I’ve ever been around !!
I own a 2013 LS 600hl, after ten years the only replacement were front brake pads, 60,000 ks and after ten years a new 12v battery. It still looks and drives like new. I recently was thinking about a new ls500 so took one for a test drive but after comparing them felt the 600 was still the better car, much smoother and just as quiet, the only upgrade I would like is the surround camera system.
Owner of an 08 LS600hL. For mpg just wanted to say at 80mph had tanks at 25mpg, at 75mph had tanks at 28.5mpg. Did a lap of the country (USA) this year and it was pretty fantastic. Also wanted to point out the 600 (not sure if same on 460) utilizes Brembo rotors and bespoke sumitomo pads. Combined with the regenerative braking it is such a smooth braking experience.
Thanks so much for sharing your ownership & real world experiences with the car, the LS 600h is very rare and massive congrats on owning one! Thank you also for sharing some additional interesting facts about the car!
Thank you for providing the incredible construction footage of these fabulous vehicles. They are so special and I have only seen similar construction perfection in MB & RR vehicles.
I recently got a 2013 LS 600 hybrid F-Sport. This car is a beast! On the highway in Sport+ mode, it is amazing! The acceleration is so subtle but FAST! The seats are so comfortable and the ride is so smooth. I don't think I could downgrade to any other car after this one!
@@dibaz1 Not a rare car here in Japan, but I don't know if it was exported to other countries. It's the 5.0 liter but with electric motor that makes it a "hybrid" so that's why it's "600" with the extra HP.
One last hope from Lexus: Detuned TTV8 from LFR + hybrid system from Tundra. 500hp+ while getting decent gas milage. This should come with a big refresh with the current LS
7:25 maybe thats what lexus meant when they said how this would give v12 perfoemance. Because even if a v12 is underpowered or underrated, one thing v12 engines will do in heavy full sized sedans, is effortlessly accelerate during high double or low triple digit speeds. With the addition of the electric motor, and the cvt, and the slightly more poweeful 5 litre, its effortless acceleration at high speeds - which is the same as a v12
They’re still overpriced here in Dallas, maybe I should look further out 🤔 I’m still hopeful I can find a 2013 - 2015 LS600HL that’s not been hammered and neglected. I can’t believe I’ve only just found this great post/info on UA-cam after all the searches I’ve been doing since October 2022! 🤷🏼♂️🙄 This is a great video and very informative! 👍 BTW; anyone got a decent one for sale lmk? (I’m in Dallas TX.)
Very interesting video. I currently have a pre-facelift 460 L RWD and love it but my wife is going to be learning to drive and I'm just not comfortable with her driving a RWD vehicle in the snow as a new driver, especially one this long. But she really likes this car and wants it when I get a new car. So I am planning to step up to a facelifted AWD but retain the long wheelbase so I can hand that off to her. Of course I'll still get to enjoy it a lot even if it will be her primary car. :) I'm just not sure if I want to get the 600h L or a 460 L. Since I am planning to get AWD and want a long wheelbase anyway, both those being standard are positives in my book. And while the MPG may not seem impressive at first, I find getting pretty similar mileage in an AWD L vs my RWD L is a damn good deal. If I buy a 460 L AWD I will definitely see a loss in fuel economy but not if I get the 600h L That CVT though.. that's what makes me want to just stomach the loss in MPG for a 460 L AWD.
I drove one today, it's not a CVT as you may know it. It's an ECVT on a planetary set of gears so it doesn't have that rubber band feeling of a horrible CVT. The plus side of the ECVT is the LS600 essentially sits at idle speed on the hwy, around 1000rpm, which adds to its quiet ride.
I´m really don´t understand Kevin and maybe a lot of other people too, why Toyota not put the excellent 5 L V8 engine in the currently LS, it´s so sad .
@@dibaz1are you thinking the LS460? LS600 doesn’t seem to share those issues with hybrid boost relieving a lot of stress on the oversized (5.0L) engine.
Great videos my man, this driving machine is so smooth and comfortable that you can't believe, I still can't afford one but I had an opportunity to drive one for a week and a half and it was very difficult to go back to my GS.
Have you ever driven a GS460? With that price you have to admit it was right there with the 7, A7, and S class with this one having long-term reliability. But that CVT is a no go, just like the GS-H. I'll take an M35h, L460 F-Sport Please or Equus 5.0.
I own a Japanese import LS460 2007 model and a Toyota crown majesta 2016 3.5 hybrid.... definitely look that up its a beauty...again an import...can send you pics if ure interested
Very cool 😎 Are there many differences with the JDM on equipment etc? Did you have any issues importing it etc?? I own a RHD Soarer 4.0 V8 limited edition JDM.
@@dibaz1 the jdm are usually higher spec and in better condition with no rust or paintwork issues... Quite easy to import if it's more than 10 years old however less than 10 years old the vehicle needs an IVA.
Kevin you do excellent reviews..I have 2017 F-Sport LS-460.The best riding car I have ever been in...Use to own F-Sport GS-350 amd will tell you the LS is twice as nice in all aspects..Keep up the good work!!!
I think if they tried this again with more modern hybrid tech the may have been able to reach their fuel economy and performance goals with this car. Kinda surprised that it could only achieve several mpg more in the city than a non-hybrid, that just seems very strange. Generally the same hybridized engine can easily achieve 5-10 more mpg in the city.
So the new LS 500h I tested in 2020 only got like 20 mpg with aggressive city driving I mean it’s pretty sad especially since that was a V6 hybrid at least this was a V8. Idk they just don’t do well with efficiency when it comes to flagship hybrids. That’s why the ES 300h is my all time favorite, smooth, quiet, feels very close to an LS while legitamatley getting 40 mpg
I think they hit their mpg goals with this car when they launched it, it was meant to give NA V12 power and NA V8 mpg (at the time). Mission accomplished 🤙🏼.
Bushings are a wear item. If you plan on replacing LCA’s (can’t replace those bushings separately unfortunately) every 150k miles, should not be so bad.
man it really saddens me that Toyota had the formula for the V8+hybrid variant. they could’ve used that engine in the current model instead of using a V6
World is one big acting stage they keep using various smoke screens like emissions and “environment” to push soulless cars upon us. EVs are the end game for them at that point they will have complete control over the vehicles even a defeat switch that police can use to shut down your car. They’re getting us used to turds one step at a time by giving us turbos then ease us into EVs. Plus people are more than happy to finance a $60k car @$1000 a month to save $150 in gas every month. They’ve read us masses like a book 📖
@@MeynMotorGroup 🔥🔥🔥 PREACH!!!!!!!! yup! they've gotten us so used to a horrible standard of living that now no one talks about gas prices anymore and they're $2 more than 3+ yrs ago. plus I knew the govt and climate freaks are just creating mass hysteria because the focus should've been on hybrids, not full EVs. but the President of Toyota came out and said that the push towards full EVs is not feasible. Fox News had run a story on him.
I agree. If the LS would include everything standard (including hybrid tech) and topped out at less than $80k...it would sell like hot cakes. The problem with it costing over $100k, they are in the Benz and BMW realm. If people have that type of money, they have more money to buy a Benz and BMW. Also, Genesis is no Lexus...but they are n the price range where Lexus used to be.
@@MeynMotorGroup That's my point... whatever their top LS level sedan is should be under $80k. Anything over 80k, Lexus will be fighting against BMW, Mercedes and losing share to Genesis
I have a 2012 LS, and don't have this issue. I have 165,000 miles., and always drives the same whether ice cold., or dessert hot. I would report this issue to the dealer. They can identify what's wrong
I have the same issue with my 2007 ls460 ,on first start regardless of weather ..I have learnt to let it idle for 5mins before driving ,thats every morning
@@wazabanga1974 I had engine motor mount and transmission mount replaced for $2200 that solved the vibration on steering and interior and also quieter engine noise
120K for an LS is a great price. See S Class, S7 or A8s..they're all under LS600h...not to say LS600hL You are saying the truth at 07:10 it's a great car with a quick response (driving at 110mph and you just punch it, will go so fast to max speed that you'll think you just did a launch from 0mph). It's hard to explain to anyone who never drove such a thing. Try to find one for sale near you and go for a test drive...you'll fall in love
Since I work from home and don't drive much, if I want a nice weekend car or road trip car I just rent from Turo. Surprisingly cheap rates for luxury cars of all kinds.
@@MeynMotorGroup O yeah bro can’t wait to watch this one will do that and leave back comments real soon lol thanx for this one bro a great one for a Friday or for us any day of the week 😂🤝😎👍🏾👍🏾
I think the LS 460 f sport is a great buy. Rwd version comes with a limited slip for drift limo time. I strongly considered trading in my e61 535i a few years back for you but then found out the maintenance cost would almost be the same 😂 only bc I'd just done a laundry list of 90k mile replacements. Now at 115k and going strong
The problem with Lexus in general is that when you can afford any Lexus model brand new, there are also other and usually a lot more tempting options out there in same price range. People who lease them dont care about post-warranty reliability. When it comes to second hand market, thats when their strengths start to make lot of sense. But second hand market does not profit manufacturer. Its kinda good that second hand buyers have such a solid brand to rely on but also kinda sad. Its sad because lack of demand brand new car segment will force them to make less of them and thats why second-hand buyers will have less options in future. For example I would love second hand Lexus GS but they stopped making them because they didnt compete with German sedans brand new.
Agreed BMW is my go to lease they are cheaper to lease than even most Hondas and BMW financial offers many flexible plans. But most people are not educated in such topics so they can’t take advantage of such a system I will never drive an old used car unless it’s a NA V12
Like all Lexus models, you can’t get an appreciation for them until you drive them, I also don’t understand the hybrid hype, I wouldn’t spend $ on one, I dislike the stop start technology, it’s absolutely annoying!in my opinion.
I've been in the market for a used luxury sedan for a while now- something large, comfortable, and fast for cross-country road trips. I wanted SO BADLY to like the '16 LS460 I drove, and came away...unimpressed? The driver's space is surprisingly cramped (at 5'10" I shouldn't be wanting for headroom but...here we are) and the seat wasn't at all comfortable. It's a shame, too because on paper it seems like a no-brainer. It'll come down to whether a well kept S212 E Class wagon or G80 5.0 AWD comes up in a market near me first.
At 5'10" you shouldn't have the seat raised as high as it can go, that must have been the case. I'm sorry your experience didn't go well but I'm sure if you went back and tried lowering the seat you would have plenty of head room all of a sudden. I'm 6' and have plenty, the only spot I'm wanting for head room is the rear middle seat
Exactly I’m 5’ 11” and I put the seat down all the way in almost every car then I bring the recline up not quite 90 degrees maybe like 105 degrees and I can fit in every car with an acre of headroom to spare. Most people don’t know how to sit properly in a car
@@Xanomoros I assure you- the seat was at the lowest extent of its travel. That's the first thing I do when getting into any unfamiliar car. The LS 460 simply doesn't have sufficient headroom. Put simply: I'm 48 years old and know how to operate a car.
@@MeynMotorGroup Or, alternately- some people are shaped differently than you and have taller torsos, or maybe longer legs. One cannot simply use overall height as a metric whether someone fits comfortably in a car.
Coming from a Ls430 i can say that interior space on the Ls460 is a Joke. Headroom is a major issue if you are 6’ and up. Only complaint tho because everything else is on another level for the ls460.
What? I own both an LS430 and LS460 and I can say for a fact they the 460 beats the 430 on interior space, including headroom. I literally just did a comparison between the two vehicles two minutes ago when I read your post because it took me aback. I'm 6 ft tall and in my 430, I can't turn my hand sideways between my head and the roof. In my 460, I can completely put my hand between my head and the roof with it turned sideways and my fingers and thumbs spread. I have the long wheelbase version so comparing rear space obviously isn't fair, but I feel like I can spread my legs way more in the front seats than in my 430. I don't think there is a difference in leg room for the front occupants between the long and standard wheelbase for 460 but I feel like I have more frontal legroom as well in the 460. Honestly, I can't get over just how spacious and huge the interior of the 460 feels compared to the 430. I often find myself just looking around the cabin while driving and marveling at how much room I have. The 430 is definitely roomie inside but the 460 feels so much larger inside even just looking at it. It honestly adds so much to the feeling of isolation from the outside world. It really does feel like I'm in my own world in this car versus my 430.
@@PeugeotRocket i have no clue what you are talking about. Ls460 space seems like a GS compared to Ls430. Starting with the size of the Windows and Winshield. Ls430 center console os tiny compared to the Ls460 thus giving you more seat space. The seats on the ls430 are like couches compared to the 460. Lumbar support on the 460 is also a joke compared to the support you get on the 430. The whole bottom portion of the seat literally slides out.
@@KaiSpeedshop I will definitely go out tomorrow and perform some actual measurements to get a scientific comparison. If you can think of anything else let me know and I'll measure on both cars.
Excuse me. if there have some LS 4th gene, they are about 50k~60k miles. 2013 LS600HL and 2014 LS460L get the same price (about $13000 usd) and all LS460L dont have LED headlight.(i think the led three eyes is soooo cool!!) or newer ls460l (like 2015~2017，but more expensive about $1500 usd/per year) which one do you recommend? THANK YOU! (My English isn't very good, sorry. 🥲)
@@worldofai-games1036 the nice thing is they last a long time. I bought mine with 151k and it’s now at 183 after a year and a half. As long as you maintain it, they are easy to work on. Just find a southern one.
Completely overated vehicle based on the title. Drove it for 2 weeks but im 6'2 and i felt like i couldnt breathe in that car. No shade to lexus and toyota their amazing but this car was not it...
You have a right to your opinion but these cars sell like hot cakes when we get them at my dealership on the East Coast! I am 6'3 and it is very comfortable for me. Even the ES350 is comfortable.
I’m still hopeful I can find a 2013 - 2015 LS600HL that’s not been hammered and neglected. I can’t believe I’ve only just found this great post/info on UA-cam after all the searches I’ve been doing since October 2022! 🤷🏼♂️🙄 This is a great video and very informative! 👍 BTW; anyone got a decent one for sale lmk? (I’m in Dallas TX.)
What's the point of a " F Sport " LS? That's gay lol. You want a sporty car then LS aint it. It's a luxury cruiser the type that Yakuza bosses like to lounge in.
See my video on the Lexus GS F here: ua-cam.com/video/s7jggxn9Drk/v-deo.html
Proud owner of a silver 2013 LS600H F Sport. Accepting the flaws, it is an amazing ride and highway cruiser.
Nice 👍 super rare car glad you got one
Never knew they had F sport package on the 600H
@ExhaustSportsAuto thanks. Dutch owner before 1 owner car. Superbly taken care of. Here in EU probably even more rare than US. Although hybrid sold slightly more than 460 due to emissions here. I never see an LS no matter the model year here.
@@KaiSpeedshop yes I believe that was in Europe only
@@Michael0300 yea my friend Lexus cars are pretty rare in Europe you’ll definitely stand out with your car 👍
Fortunate owner of an Ls600hl 2016 model with executive package from UAE. Super rare find. Bought it in 2021 for usd 40k. Hybrid battery needed replacement. Over last 3 years replaced hybrid battery, control arms - cost usd10k . Cosmetic stuffs - ceramic coating, tinting, painted break callipers red - usd3k, consumable expenses over 3 years- new 4 tyres, new break pads, cabin filter, engine flush - 2k.
I love my car to bits. It drives like a dream... You look forward to long journeys. It comes with a comfort mode only available in this model... Basically for wafting.Acceleration is effortless even at high speeds of 140 kmph. Fully loaded with Gizmos.. InfraRed camera for night time driving, driver monitoring, break hold function, double panel glasses,
automated curtains, entertainment TV and massage chairs for the back seat. It even has foldable tables forthe back seats like in an aircraft. Only regret... Not being able to spend time in the back seat - that's where the real fun is... Car is not suitable for families with small kids, from the back seat you can control the entertainment and radio and from the driver side you can't overrule this. One time I was on the highway fast track at 140khph and the rear right tyre burst.. I could feel the benefit of the AWD, car remained super stable and remained in the lane and safe my life.!
Whats the Fuel economy you are getting?
I really dont see the point unless you have a driver and you can relax in the back seat. Its a great car but its like driving a phantom around, youre supposed to have someone else bring you around in it.
Are you looking to sell?
If so how much?
Why did it require hybrid battery replacement and why was it not under warranty
@@ChristRosa-s7bI am selling one, in Oman
I watched your videos on the ls460 and 600 and decided to buy a 2014 ls600hl, I have been driving it since December, and it is the best car I have ever driven, it's a unique experience and love every minute in it.
You lucky devil 😈
Any repair/maintenance issues??
I’m looking for a similar car…
i love videos like this man! no one talks about older legendary models anymore. thank you for keeping their legacy alive!
Trying to my friend! Thanks so much for appreciating this type of content
@@MeynMotorGroup i appreciate them man...I've actually gotten bored of the current auto market because they're all the same now (EVs with a steering wheel + one big screen 🥱). so now I find myself looking at older vehicles for entertainment.
@@JokerG16 same I’m pretty bored of new cars too. I got a Pathfinder I need to get around reviewing 😅 I’ll get to it eventually
@@MeynMotorGroup LOL at least that one is still traditional. That 30 yr old VQ engine still purrs... I recently purchased an Armada ('22 SL) and it's a stone cold beast. I'm sad that the new one will no longer have the V8
@@JokerG16 nice! Great choice love the Armada so underrated everyone goes straight to Tahoe but the Armada is a tank that many have forgotten about SL trim is nicely loaded this Pathfinder I’m reviewing is also an SL you did great with that purchase
I had a 2007 LS but traded it in for a 2014 LS F Sort. It’s miles ahead. The 2007 was a boat. The 2014’s ride and handling is so much better.
I bought an LS600H yesterday (2008). Its a beast
Congrats!
@christofonobrown3659 Thanks. The ball joint needs fixing, though, on the mot recommendation. Common problem with them
@@user-Red5hield-exp0ser yes, I own a 2008 600hL. Did all 4 corners, uppers and lowers. Definitely familiar.
@@christofonobrown3659 How much did that cost ya, buddy?
@@user-Red5hield-exp0ser I should tell you I did it the most expensive way possible: Updated OEM parts, dealer installed. I also replaced all 4 air shocks in the same way. The front end (upper and lower control arms) I think ran US$8k. I documented everything on Ih8mud, if you are interested. Also, Kevin (the UA-cam reviewer that does this Meyn channel) documented refurbishing his LS460 (same suspension as our 600’s) using non-OEM parts and an independent tech. Keep in mind he did it pre-pandemic. In any case if you have a technician you trust, do not hesitate to go that route.
The 600 is my dream car , but as you say any mechanical issues would leave me pauperized Truly a wealthy person's car.Great review.
Yea my friend parts are very expensive
I drove a LS Lexus before when I used to work as a Parking Attendant
They are smooth AF it’s so quiet and it’s like your floating in the Air
Yea that’s pretty accurate regarding these cars 😅
Agreed, the 2008 LS600hL is a nice and very responsive ride on the highway. I purchased mine about a year and a half ago after looking at numerous 460's. Aside from some of the maintenance issues I had to resolve after purchase I'm very happy with it. This is my 3rd Lexus vehicle now. I think the hybrid qualities basically just make it a more powerful and more responsive ride overall while getting about the same mpg as the 460. To me it's a nice addition to have I didn't really buy it for the mpg anyway. Thanks for the review I enjoyed it very much!
That’s awesome!
Can you enlighten us re maintenance issues?
@@dibaz1 Well, to start with the vehicle had just under 100k miles on it when I got it. I had to replace the front air shocks due to the upper support bushings being cracked,worn and noisy. That was the main thing. As the vehicle has a transfer case with a clutch pack it had some chatter and vibration during slow turns. This was remedied by changing the transfer case oil a few times and using synthetic oil with an additive purposed for limited slip differentials. I changed all the oils in the vehicle and decided to go with Amsoil products for all the lubricant oils needed. So far so good 👍.
Had a 2006 GS430 loved it then 2 Yukon Denalis and with gas was ready to get a car again traded the 2012 Denali in for a 2013 LS460 F sport and I don’t regret a thing this is the best car for the value I’ve ever been around !!
Had owned a 2014 LS600hL, that was an amazing car I have ever driven or sat in, till today. So good memory from those days...
I own a 2013 LS 600hl, after ten years the only replacement were front brake pads, 60,000 ks and after ten years a new 12v battery. It still looks and drives like new. I recently was thinking about a new ls500 so took one for a test drive but after comparing them felt the 600 was still the better car, much smoother and just as quiet, the only upgrade I would like is the surround camera system.
Owner of an 08 LS600hL. For mpg just wanted to say at 80mph had tanks at 25mpg, at 75mph had tanks at 28.5mpg. Did a lap of the country (USA) this year and it was pretty fantastic.
Also wanted to point out the 600 (not sure if same on 460) utilizes Brembo rotors and bespoke sumitomo pads. Combined with the regenerative braking it is such a smooth braking experience.
Thanks so much for sharing your ownership & real world experiences with the car, the LS 600h is very rare and massive congrats on owning one!
Thank you also for sharing some additional interesting facts about the car!
Thank you for providing the incredible construction footage of these fabulous vehicles. They are so special and I have only seen similar construction perfection in MB & RR vehicles.
The LS from 2013 - 2016 is 👍👍👍👌👌👌, thanks Kevin 😀.
They were some sweet cars for sure
@@MeynMotorGroup only the prise was nuts.
@@MeynMotorGroup sorry price.
@@alengreen589 definitely the 600 was insanely overpriced
Three thumbs up and three little circles is high praise.
Ls 600h 2008 w/186k can’t help but smile. The car is amazing. The quality in the build won me over.
I recently got a 2013 LS 600 hybrid F-Sport. This car is a beast! On the highway in Sport+ mode, it is amazing! The acceleration is so subtle but FAST! The seats are so comfortable and the ride is so smooth. I don't think I could downgrade to any other car after this one!
How much have you paid for it?
Sounds like a rare car, was this in Europe?
@@musasuat8948 I paid about $20,000 for it (in Japanese yen, it was ¥2.9 million). Used cars in Japan are CHEAP!
@@dibaz1 Not a rare car here in Japan, but I don't know if it was exported to other countries. It's the 5.0 liter but with electric motor that makes it a "hybrid" so that's why it's "600" with the extra HP.
I don’t know they Made a (F sport) Ls600HL 😮
That was an excellent review. Told you, Kevin, that you are a professional!.👍👍💯
Thank you my friend I’m humbled by that!
One last hope from Lexus: Detuned TTV8 from LFR + hybrid system from Tundra. 500hp+ while getting decent gas milage. This should come with a big refresh with the current LS
Just checked the market on these, a 2013 with 140k miles for 14? That’s a hell of a deal!
Nice!
7:25 maybe thats what lexus meant when they said how this would give v12 perfoemance. Because even if a v12 is underpowered or underrated, one thing v12 engines will do in heavy full sized sedans, is effortlessly accelerate during high double or low triple digit speeds. With the addition of the electric motor, and the cvt, and the slightly more poweeful 5 litre, its effortless acceleration at high speeds - which is the same as a v12
Does Lexus still make Pebble Beach edition models? I forgot all about that era 😩 the ES 330 Pebble Beach was a beautiful car.
Haha I don’t think so my friend now they do something called the “inspiration series”
I have been tracking the prices of the 2013 ls460 and the prices have plummeted. They were 35k a year ago. Now they are 20-25k
They’re still overpriced here in Dallas, maybe I should look further out 🤔
I’m still hopeful I can find a 2013 - 2015 LS600HL that’s not been hammered and neglected.
I can’t believe I’ve only just found this great post/info on UA-cam after all the searches I’ve been doing since October 2022! 🤷🏼♂️🙄
This is a great video and very informative! 👍
BTW; anyone got a decent one for sale lmk?
(I’m in Dallas TX.)
Very interesting video.
I currently have a pre-facelift 460 L RWD and love it but my wife is going to be learning to drive and I'm just not comfortable with her driving a RWD vehicle in the snow as a new driver, especially one this long. But she really likes this car and wants it when I get a new car. So I am planning to step up to a facelifted AWD but retain the long wheelbase so I can hand that off to her. Of course I'll still get to enjoy it a lot even if it will be her primary car. :)
I'm just not sure if I want to get the 600h L or a 460 L. Since I am planning to get AWD and want a long wheelbase anyway, both those being standard are positives in my book. And while the MPG may not seem impressive at first, I find getting pretty similar mileage in an AWD L vs my RWD L is a damn good deal. If I buy a 460 L AWD I will definitely see a loss in fuel economy but not if I get the 600h L
That CVT though.. that's what makes me want to just stomach the loss in MPG for a 460 L AWD.
I drove one today, it's not a CVT as you may know it. It's an ECVT on a planetary set of gears so it doesn't have that rubber band feeling of a horrible CVT.
The plus side of the ECVT is the LS600 essentially sits at idle speed on the hwy, around 1000rpm, which adds to its quiet ride.
This was a great video. Very informative. Thanks for putting it together.
Glad it was helpful!
Such a classy ride
Yea my friend pretty sweet ride
What's the update on your Lexus??
I´m really don´t understand Kevin and maybe a lot of other people too, why Toyota not put the excellent 5 L V8 engine in the currently LS, it´s so sad .
EVs are the direction they are going so they are training us one step at a time to get as used to soulless vehicles
@@MeynMotorGroup yeah unfortunately.
I think it's mainly for emissions and economy, plus it will have the latest hybrid generation which is more sfficient.
And some say new G90 is expensive... This would be 180k in today's money value with 1 mpg better....
Oh yea a fully loaded G90 is a steal
@@MeynMotorGrouplast I heard, the engine’s are not bullet proof and have long term reliability issues 🤔🤷🏼♂️
@@dibaz1are you thinking the LS460? LS600 doesn’t seem to share those issues with hybrid boost relieving a lot of stress on the oversized (5.0L) engine.
Great videos my man, this driving machine is so smooth and comfortable that you can't believe, I still can't afford one but I had an opportunity to drive one for a week and a half and it was very difficult to go back to my GS.
Have you ever driven a GS460?
With that price you have to admit it was right there with the 7, A7, and S class with this one having long-term reliability. But that CVT is a no go, just like the GS-H. I'll take an M35h, L460 F-Sport Please or Equus 5.0.
6:24 Actually I also exoected it to be a at least a 5.0 V12 but for suprise ,it was V8 coupled with Toyota's Hybrid Synergy system
Though this Lexus was a worthy car for it's price
buying this thing was a worth a choice
I’m trying to find a 2013 ls600hl I’m coming out of a bmw I’m interested to know if the driving experience is really different
I have model 2013, the insulation on this car is unbelievable, however I am getting a really annoying wind noise at 100 mph from driver side.
I own a Japanese import LS460 2007 model and a Toyota crown majesta 2016 3.5 hybrid.... definitely look that up its a beauty...again an import...can send you pics if ure interested
Very cool 😎
Are there many differences with the JDM on equipment etc?
Did you have any issues importing it etc??
I own a RHD Soarer 4.0 V8 limited edition JDM.
@@dibaz1 the jdm are usually higher spec and in better condition with no rust or paintwork issues... Quite easy to import if it's more than 10 years old however less than 10 years old the vehicle needs an IVA.
@@phaeton777 that’s probably a nightmare and expensive?
@@dibaz1 not really...being Japanese they are more reliable than the German alternatives
Can you do lexus is250 2006-2012 please
2006 LS430 has a nice ride.
Arguable the best made car Toyota ever brought to USA.
I Had a 2008 ls460 luv that car but hit a deer and it total it out
I plan on getting another one soon
Kevin you do excellent reviews..I have 2017 F-Sport LS-460.The best riding car I have ever been in...Use to own F-Sport GS-350 amd will tell you the LS is twice as nice in all aspects..Keep up the good work!!!
That’s awesome my friend glad you got the last model year of the 460 an in F sport trim probably one of the best sedans one can own
Have 1 Tom's Superchargered celsior, 3 LS600's & 1 LS460 my favorite cars ever
This powertrain still exists in Toyota Century in our home country 🇯🇵
That’s awesome, and sweet LC!
Where are you finding these Lexus videos in the background? Would love to watch my manufacturing/marketing vids online. Thanks
Reminds me of the Toyota crown s210 majesta bc they’re both hybrid limousines
8spd auto, what type of gearbox, not a CVT?
I think if they tried this again with more modern hybrid tech the may have been able to reach their fuel economy and performance goals with this car. Kinda surprised that it could only achieve several mpg more in the city than a non-hybrid, that just seems very strange. Generally the same hybridized engine can easily achieve 5-10 more mpg in the city.
So the new LS 500h I tested in 2020 only got like 20 mpg with aggressive city driving I mean it’s pretty sad especially since that was a V6 hybrid at least this was a V8. Idk they just don’t do well with efficiency when it comes to flagship hybrids. That’s why the ES 300h is my all time favorite, smooth, quiet, feels very close to an LS while legitamatley getting 40 mpg
I think the weight has a lot to do with it
I think they hit their mpg goals with this car when they launched it, it was meant to give NA V12 power and NA V8 mpg (at the time). Mission accomplished 🤙🏼.
Beautiful...does the 3rd inner bulb on headlights turn on for LS 460?
Lexus make fantastic cars ,thanks 🏴🙏
A dream car, go luck trying to see one. Probably have better chance joining YMCA to see who is selling theirs
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Too true! I committed to buying my 08 launch edition once I found out the seller was the original owner.
Will never sell my brown 2013 LS600HL President with 130.000 miles.
I had a 2008 LS600hl. Loved the car. But it had multiple suspension issues. It's very common.
Yea this is why I wouldn’t buy one without a warranty
All of them do inc the LS460. The sheer weight of the engine etc, why they never beefed up the control arms etc I just don’t understand 🤷🏼♂️
Bushings are a wear item. If you plan on replacing LCA’s (can’t replace those bushings separately unfortunately) every 150k miles, should not be so bad.
So the 2011 model is no buy ?
Nice one Mr Lexus!
Thank you my friend!
man it really saddens me that Toyota had the formula for the V8+hybrid variant. they could’ve used that engine in the current model instead of using a V6
World is one big acting stage they keep using various smoke screens like emissions and “environment” to push soulless cars upon us. EVs are the end game for them at that point they will have complete control over the vehicles even a defeat switch that police can use to shut down your car. They’re getting us used to turds one step at a time by giving us turbos then ease us into EVs. Plus people are more than happy to finance a $60k car @$1000 a month to save $150 in gas every month. They’ve read us masses like a book 📖
@@MeynMotorGroup 🔥🔥🔥 PREACH!!!!!!!! yup! they've gotten us so used to a horrible standard of living that now no one talks about gas prices anymore and they're $2 more than 3+ yrs ago. plus I knew the govt and climate freaks are just creating mass hysteria because the focus should've been on hybrids, not full EVs. but the President of Toyota came out and said that the push towards full EVs is not feasible. Fox News had run a story on him.
@@MeynMotorGroup Yup bro smh 🤝
@@MeynMotorGroup Truth!
I agree. If the LS would include everything standard (including hybrid tech) and topped out at less than $80k...it would sell like hot cakes. The problem with it costing over $100k, they are in the Benz and BMW realm. If people have that type of money, they have more money to buy a Benz and BMW. Also, Genesis is no Lexus...but they are n the price range where Lexus used to be.
Well only the 600h went over $100k the regular 460 topped out at around $85k
@@MeynMotorGroup That's my point... whatever their top LS level sedan is should be under $80k. Anything over 80k, Lexus will be fighting against BMW, Mercedes and losing share to Genesis
@@chillnndcit’s better than the best benz and bmws. They’re cheap junk with an expensive price tag. The Lexus isn’t.
My 13 LS460 seems to hate cold weather. Cold start driving for 10-15 minutes engine noise is very loud and intrusive. Anyone else have this issue?
My LS400 was the same way
I have a 2012 LS, and don't have this issue. I have 165,000 miles., and always drives the same whether ice cold., or dessert hot. I would report this issue to the dealer. They can identify what's wrong
I have the same issue with my 2007 ls460 ,on first start regardless of weather ..I have learnt to let it idle for 5mins before driving ,thats every morning
@@wazabanga1974 I had engine motor mount and transmission mount replaced for $2200 that solved the vibration on steering and interior and also quieter engine noise
120K for an LS is a great price. See S Class, S7 or A8s..they're all under LS600h...not to say LS600hL
You are saying the truth at 07:10 it's a great car with a quick response (driving at 110mph and you just punch it, will go so fast to max speed that you'll think you just did a launch from 0mph). It's hard to explain to anyone who never drove such a thing. Try to find one for sale near you and go for a test drive...you'll fall in love
Since I work from home and don't drive much, if I want a nice weekend car or road trip car I just rent from Turo. Surprisingly cheap rates for luxury cars of all kinds.
Yea my friend lot of great options on Turo for low prices
Genesis is the way to go.
I keep hearing about engine issues and long term reliability probs 🤷🏼♂️🤔
Yo bro happy Friday 🤝😎👍🏾👍🏾
Hey bro you know you’re the flagship king def had to get your thoughts on this one 👍
@@MeynMotorGroup O yeah bro can’t wait to watch this one will do that and leave back comments real soon lol thanx for this one bro a great one for a Friday or for us any day of the week 😂🤝😎👍🏾👍🏾
I think the LS 460 f sport is a great buy. Rwd version comes with a limited slip for drift limo time.
I strongly considered trading in my e61 535i a few years back for you but then found out the maintenance cost would almost be the same 😂 only bc I'd just done a laundry list of 90k mile replacements. Now at 115k and going strong
The problem with Lexus in general is that when you can afford any Lexus model brand new, there are also other and usually a lot more tempting options out there in same price range. People who lease them dont care about post-warranty reliability.
When it comes to second hand market, thats when their strengths start to make lot of sense.
But second hand market does not profit manufacturer.
Its kinda good that second hand buyers have such a solid brand to rely on but also kinda sad. Its sad because lack of demand brand new car segment will force them to make less of them and thats why second-hand buyers will have less options in future.
For example I would love second hand Lexus GS but they stopped making them because they didnt compete with German sedans brand new.
Agreed BMW is my go to lease they are cheaper to lease than even most Hondas and BMW financial offers many flexible plans. But most people are not educated in such topics so they can’t take advantage of such a system I will never drive an old used car unless it’s a NA V12
I own a 2008 ls600hl executive package black on black fully loaded
How much did you pay for it
Very good review. Would be perfect if you would have driven it while doing the review. None the last an excellent job.
I wish I still had access to dealers but every dealer is pretty wiped out with empty lots
Bought a 2014 LS 600H a few months back, and i have to say i will not buy anything else than a LS from now on.
You have no idea how close I was to import one from Japan lol
Ended up getting an es300h since the price of fuel skyrocketed in the UK
Like all Lexus models, you can’t get an appreciation for them until you drive them, I also don’t understand the hybrid hype, I wouldn’t spend $ on one, I dislike the stop start technology, it’s absolutely annoying!in my opinion.
LS 500 F Sport should be a NA V8
AGREEEEEEE 😅
I have a 2016 model.
I've been in the market for a used luxury sedan for a while now- something large, comfortable, and fast for cross-country road trips.
I wanted SO BADLY to like the '16 LS460 I drove, and came away...unimpressed? The driver's space is surprisingly cramped (at 5'10" I shouldn't be wanting for headroom but...here we are) and the seat wasn't at all comfortable. It's a shame, too because on paper it seems like a no-brainer.
It'll come down to whether a well kept S212 E Class wagon or G80 5.0 AWD comes up in a market near me first.
Thanks for sharing!
At 5'10" you shouldn't have the seat raised as high as it can go, that must have been the case. I'm sorry your experience didn't go well but I'm sure if you went back and tried lowering the seat you would have plenty of head room all of a sudden. I'm 6' and have plenty, the only spot I'm wanting for head room is the rear middle seat
Exactly I’m 5’ 11” and I put the seat down all the way in almost every car then I bring the recline up not quite 90 degrees maybe like 105 degrees and I can fit in every car with an acre of headroom to spare. Most people don’t know how to sit properly in a car
@@Xanomoros I assure you- the seat was at the lowest extent of its travel. That's the first thing I do when getting into any unfamiliar car. The LS 460 simply doesn't have sufficient headroom. Put simply: I'm 48 years old and know how to operate a car.
@@MeynMotorGroup Or, alternately- some people are shaped differently than you and have taller torsos, or maybe longer legs. One cannot simply use overall height as a metric whether someone fits comfortably in a car.
V6 economy with V12 performance from a V8 actually.
Coming from a Ls430 i can say that interior space on the Ls460 is a Joke. Headroom is a major issue if you are 6’ and up. Only complaint tho because everything else is on another level for the ls460.
Thank you for sharing this my friend some other individuals have complained about headroom in the 460s and 500s
What? I own both an LS430 and LS460 and I can say for a fact they the 460 beats the 430 on interior space, including headroom. I literally just did a comparison between the two vehicles two minutes ago when I read your post because it took me aback.
I'm 6 ft tall and in my 430, I can't turn my hand sideways between my head and the roof. In my 460, I can completely put my hand between my head and the roof with it turned sideways and my fingers and thumbs spread.
I have the long wheelbase version so comparing rear space obviously isn't fair, but I feel like I can spread my legs way more in the front seats than in my 430. I don't think there is a difference in leg room for the front occupants between the long and standard wheelbase for 460 but I feel like I have more frontal legroom as well in the 460.
Honestly, I can't get over just how spacious and huge the interior of the 460 feels compared to the 430. I often find myself just looking around the cabin while driving and marveling at how much room I have. The 430 is definitely roomie inside but the 460 feels so much larger inside even just looking at it. It honestly adds so much to the feeling of isolation from the outside world. It really does feel like I'm in my own world in this car versus my 430.
@@PeugeotRocket i have no clue what you are talking about. Ls460 space seems like a GS compared to Ls430. Starting with the size of the Windows and Winshield. Ls430 center console os tiny compared to the Ls460 thus giving you more seat space. The seats on the ls430 are like couches compared to the 460. Lumbar support on the 460 is also a joke compared to the support you get on the 430. The whole bottom portion of the seat literally slides out.
@@KaiSpeedshop I will definitely go out tomorrow and perform some actual measurements to get a scientific comparison. If you can think of anything else let me know and I'll measure on both cars.
Most people aren’t 6’
Excuse me.
if there have some LS 4th gene, they are about 50k~60k miles.
2013 LS600HL and 2014 LS460L get the same price (about $13000 usd)
and all LS460L dont have LED headlight.(i think the led three eyes is soooo cool!!)
or newer ls460l (like 2015~2017，but more expensive about $1500 usd/per year)
which one do you recommend?
THANK YOU!
(My English isn't very good, sorry. 🥲)
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Thanks so much for your support Sam!
Or just get a Lincoln Town car from an elderly person and wait a couple years till prices cool. 😃
Let’s see what happens
😂that’s funny 😄
Town cars are getting hard to find. They stopped making them in 2012 and existing ones are going to have so many miles.
@@worldofai-games1036 the nice thing is they last a long time. I bought mine with 151k and it’s now at 183 after a year and a half. As long as you maintain it, they are easy to work on. Just find a southern one.
2013 burns oil
Pretty much every used car does
Like Volvos, oldmans car.
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V6 hybrids are enough and way better on gas.
Completely overated vehicle based on the title. Drove it for 2 weeks but im 6'2 and i felt like i couldnt breathe in that car. No shade to lexus and toyota their amazing but this car was not it...
Thanks for sharing!
You have a right to your opinion but these cars sell like hot cakes when we get them at my dealership on the East Coast! I am 6'3 and it is very comfortable for me. Even the ES350 is comfortable.
@@350zlover2 thank you i do have the right to my own opinion. I dont recall asking for yours just giving my experience. Happy new year
@@doronjohnson344 I can tell you didn't like my response. I was just sharing my experiences. Have a great New Year as well. 😀
@@350zlover2 Lexus videos attract some butt hurt individuals lol
I’m still hopeful I can find a 2013 - 2015 LS600HL that’s not been hammered and neglected.
I can’t believe I’ve only just found this great post/info on UA-cam after all the searches I’ve been doing since October 2022! 🤷🏼♂️🙄
This is a great video and very informative! 👍
BTW; anyone got a decent one for sale lmk?
(I’m in Dallas TX.)
What's the point of a " F Sport " LS? That's gay lol. You want a sporty car then LS aint it. It's a luxury cruiser the type that Yakuza bosses like to lounge in.
I’m inclined to agree with you, most of the upgrades are subtle, maybe an increase in HP would be a selling point instead of metal pedals lol