Why people think this photo of JFK's killer is fake
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- This photo of Lee Harvey Oswald has been analyzed for decades.
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Lee Harvey Oswald was murdered two days after he was arrested for assassinating US President John F. Kennedy. But before Oswald died, he claimed that a damning piece of evidence against him - a photo showing Oswald holding the rifle that killed the president - was fake. In fact, he said his face was superimposed onto another person’s body to set him up.
The photo’s authenticity has been in question ever since, and it plays a key role in the conspiracy theory surrounding JFK’s death. The shadows in the photo seem inconsistent, and Oswald’s crooked stance under the weight of the rifle looks like he is about to tip over. Plus, his face doesn’t look the same as it does in his mug shot.
For decades, conspiracy theorists have used this image as key evidence to suggest that Oswald was framed. But decades of analysis - including recent 3D forensic analysis - has proved over and over that the photo is likely authentic.
Darkroom is a history and photography series that anchors each episode around a single image. Analyzing what the photo shows (or doesn't show) provides context that helps unravel a wider story. Watch previous episodes here: • Vox Darkroom
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Thanks for watching! Correction: At 10:33, we say the accuracy for the 2-second test is 50%. It's actually 65%, as you can see on the chart. There was 50% accuracy when subjects were shown the images for 1 second each.
And 1.75 metres is 5'9", not 5'8". Could you clarify that? Are we seeing again the usual attention to detail that goes into forensic "science"? If I had to bet I'd bet on its being an unretouched photo, but this doesn't increase my confidence.
A much more important question is how is a photo of a similar rifle enough evidence to convict.....could another not be produced alike 🤔 .
This would not work these days to prosecute indicates a corrupt justice system.
Lastly I appreciate the documentaries but it is as if you are tip toeing to now tell anything critical....but just explain why we should believe our government and the system around us
Would love to see a documentary on how jfk's first move was going to be to investigate 🔎 and possibly shut down the Cia? And then shot dead ?????
Hmmm, sounds like some kind of conspiracy...
First you say 70. Then you say 65. Just what are you covering up, Vox? (satire)
This is how conspiracies are fed...
It would be nice if they went over a timeline of proven historically altered photos, like the classic Stalin-era photos, to show what that photo-editing technology looked like at the time. I think that would help further put this to rest.
bernadette banner has an interesting video about old photo editing, although that's more about really old photos
Vox did a video on that 2 years ago, look up "Vox Soviet doctored photo"
@@_Zaid thank you for saying that, i thought i wss the only one who remembered that!
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That would be cool, but the conspiracy theorists would cry and moan over Soviet technology versus US tech of the era.
The real conspiracy here is whether or not he ended up keeping that copy of Life Magazine.
He did
@@ahmedwaseem8097 Amazing
That's what I want to know too
Was thinking the same thing.
I guess Vox commented that he got to keep it.
The real questions are: Who took the photo? Why would he take a picture of himself with the gun? And why was he holding a newspaper so that the gun could be put in his hand on a specific date?
Marina Oswald said she took the photo
He probably took the picture because guns are cool and he likely didn't intend to perform an assassination when it was taken
1. His wife took'em. 2. Southerners have a thing for guns. 3. It's coincidential, he just wanted to be photographed with his reading material.
@@missdeejay Yeah, because it's so entirely usual for someone to want to be photographed with their gun in one hand and their reading material in the other.
@@debarshidas8072 it is usual for people to be photographed with their guns, especially in Texas.
I'm not saying there wasn't a cover-up, but I think this picture is a diversion. There's real evidence out there that says Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy with a rifle, and it's the paraffin and nitrate test results, that came out on Nov 23. They were negative for firing a rifle. More than if a picture was doctored or not, the important fact is that Lee didn't shoot Kennedy, and there's a negative nitrate test that proves it.
What is more realistic is that the picture was taken, or someone was told to snap this photo with the knowledge that they (not Oswald) was going to using it in the near future for exactly the purpose is was used for.
Almost like someone was showing it too him. Was like hey go ahead it looks good in your hands. Hold it I'll take a picture for you
@@UnPhAzD91And Oswald allegedly exclaimed that the photo was altered when it was shown to him by police. He had worked on high end, high resolution photography.
Right on. It was absolutely real. And taken for a reason and purpose
Ok, but did the professor get to keep the copy of Life Magazine?
I must know this too PLEASE TELL ME
My guess is no since there was an edit right afterward.
I mean ge bent it up. It must be his lol
@@TaylorIserman but maybe he put it in his bag or something during the cut
An even greater mystery
The weirdest part of the photo is that it was taken at all, perfectly capturing him with the guns and the pamphlets. Like a gift wrapped piece of evidence. I’m sure the photo is real but who asked him to pose with all that stuff?
I thought about your point, but then I remember all the people caught for their crimes after posting about it on social media.
I believe he took it to try and look cool and all like "yeah I'm about to make a change". Kinda edgy.
There's no reason to assume he's an intelligent person.
If i have a gun and pose with it, do I suddenly have superior motives? Stop trying to look into things.
Well he lived in the south and you know how much they love their guns. It's not the first photo to ever been taken with a guna and that's not unusual at all.
A brilliant tactic of making people focused on debating about a photo while the real cover up happened somewhere else.
No cover up bro Oswald he was that good fr do you think the u.s Gov or any one military back then would be involved time proves there is no cover up why hasn't trump or Biden or Nixon been assassinated there was no point the u.s gov or cia risking this fr dude think bout it my father he would pull people up like that Oswald did it a top shooter can do that just like Bruce Lee was a freak of nature so was Oswald
Bingo
Oswald still doing what he was originally tasked to do - create doubt and confusion. Everyone knows the CIA organized and carried out the assassination of both Kennedy's. No doubt the cozy relationship between the CIA and Mafia suggest there were others involved.
Look at the sling swivels. The alleged rifle has them on the left side. The rifle in these photos has them on the bottom of the stock. Can't be the same rifle.
I genuinely cannot tell if you and everyone else replying are memeing or not.
Why would Oswald work so hard and purposely take pics of himself with a rifle and dated newspapers to make sure everyone knew he did it, then when he was arrested, deny he did it?
Lordy help us
We will never know!
This guy's office is the most organized professor's office I've ever seen.
as if it's a set for a movie
Probably a home office.
That's a classroom..
nah, I had him as a teacher. Dude is actually just organized
how do we know he's not a 3D recreation of a professor at UCB who's an expert in forensics
They never said WHO TOOK THE PHOTO. Oswald’s wife confirmed that she took the photo.
Yeah that's what I've been thinking the whole video. At the moment the photo was taken, there's for sure another witness besides Oswald -- the one who took the picture.
@@DapayTobias it was the first selfie LOL
@@achillestheant430 nope
His wife was coerced into implicating her husband.
@@danielyoungblood8525 it was a joke.
The craziest thing is how similar Gary Oldham looks to Lee Oswald.
THIS shows that "justice" in the USA can be shammed!
The only thing that troubles me is that the government still will not release the classified files. What is the threat to national security?
"What is the threat to national security?"😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's themselves!!!!!!
_" What is the threat to national security?"_ The threat to national security is the person that actual shot JFK.
THE GOVERNMENT WAS IN ON IT, THAT'S WHY THEY CANNOT RELEASE MORE DOCUMENTS
Something like 95% of all files related to the Kennedy assassination have already been released.
If a government or individuals are going to murder a president, there would be no paper trail.
What I want to know is why would Oswald photograph himself with a gun he will later use as a murder weapon. It's not like photography was as common as it is today with people snapping pictures of just about anything. It's almost like he was laying the groundwork for his own prosecution. This still makes no sense.
Also why would Oswald buy a rifle from a mail order company which would involve giving a name and address as well as providing his handwriting as evidence, when he could have just walked into any gun shop and purchased a rifle with a cash payment without giving any personal details leaving only the memory of the shop assistant to provide a description of him.
"He said someone had set him up, "I'm just a patsy." Actually, when Oswald said he was a patsy he wasn't saying that someone had set him up, he was saying that he had been arrested just because he had lived in the Soviet Union.
This is one of the biggest deceptions from the conspiracy people. They never quote Oswald's full statement, which was "They’ve taken me in because of the fact that I lived in the Soviet Union. I’m just a patsy."
It is so funny how Oswald just took a random snapshot with a simple camera in 1963 but for decades people analyze every single millimeter of it
Well they were just curious about it if Lee H. Oswald was actually the person who murderered JFK and they did it for education so that people can know what happened to JFK unless they're not interested in it.
It's not a "random" snapshot
@@walter-st3fb But I think he didn’t expect it to go this viral. It may not be random but you get my point
What
@@elongatedalbatross9318 what „what“
Hany: "I assume I can keep this"
My man doesn't play🤣
Yeah
The excitement was genuine
So, why was the photo "retouched" in the first place?
That doesn't answer the question. Something is important as the rifle and they retouched it? There is something fishy about that
@@maniswolftoman yeah it's a little different airbrushing and model cellulite is just for Aesthetics. altering a photograph of a weapon that possibly murdered a president is interference and Criminal. I'm going to say it's not the same, but you go ahead and believing you right.
It fundamentally changes the photos in a way that serves no legitimate purpose
@@maniswolftoman because they're framing Lee Harvey Oswald
@@maniswolftoman pretty ignorant question! This is NOT just another photo, but what was being brought out as EVIDENCE of Oswalds´s guilt. You don´t "retouch" evidence" even if it is for some magazine. BTW - did Life include any reference to their "retouching" in the text or did they only ADMIT it after it was noticed by numerous people? Wanna bet what the answer is???
Next time someone shows me something cool, i’m gonna try this guys bit… _”First, i assume i can keep this”_
same... was golden.
That’s how he got payed .
I'm not the only one who made a mental note like that. Like, exactly what I was thinking, how do you say no to that? hahah
It's one of those um... yeah of course, mments
I think the Berkeley guy should have his own YT channel doing these analyses.
Oh yeahh, that’s definitely a great way of stacking up views i love these types of stuff
" Hany Farid is an American university professor who specializes in the analysis of digital images, Dean and Head of School for the UC Berkeley School of Information. In addition to teaching, writing, and conducting research, Farid acts as a consultant for non-profits, government agencies, and news organizations. Wikipedia "
Does that sound like a person who has time to make UA-cam videos for us?
@@macforme maybe he should do vlogs for his every day life. I'd watch that
Agreed
Just to be clear... that means Oswald's face was taken from 1single photo, and that same 1 face was used in 3 different photos. Without question. And you don't need fancy equipment to see or prove it. A real expert would know it.
In one of the last videos conspiracy expert Jim Marrs made , he showed several examples of photos of Oswald's face that looked altered for mysterious reasons and said this is nothing new in the spy business .
That altered/unaltered test is not testing anything. It's just far too short a time to even register what you're looking at. If given 30+ seconds to examine each picture, the rate would be pretty close to 100% for those examples at least.
Hany Farid: "I'm a professor and I specialize in digital imaging forensics"
Jack White: "You know, I'm something of an expert myself"
I've read six memes and three book jackets about photo retouching, so I know my stuff!
@@brianarbenz7206 You should be doing talk shows, such an expert! Don't get anything less than 10,000/show.
Hany Farid : Oh you can't do this to me.
What's so powerful about this video, is how they start it off by making the conspiracy seem plausible, likely even, showing all the arguments for the case. Then, they debunk all of it. For someone who's lost in the conspiracy, it's gonna be really hard to refute anything when they have presented all the evidence they would likely bring up, to begin with.
@@hejalll Go out and try it in the real sun and not on a computer and see what results you get...
Lesson learned: when intending to shoot someone, don't take a pic with the exact same gun
Right
Yet even 60 years later,criminals still brag about the crimes they just committed,and post these online😳
How do you know Oswald's rifle was really the murder weapon.? Because the Dallas PD and the FBI said so? The magic bullet was conveniently found on a stretcher after going through two people.
Don't let national Inquirer get pics of your murder shoes either -o.j.
@@gortbot7748 2 people after changing direction mid air and creating like 7 different wounds.
Why didn't they discuss the most talked about item in the picture, which is that the gun's sling is mounted in completely different spots in comparison to the weapon found at the Schoolbook Depository??????
Except the FBI could NOT find more than one palm print on rifle but several days later Dallas PD sends “another” fingerprint to the FBI lab 3 days later. How convenient. Let’s not forget the FBI went to the funeral home where Oswald’s body was taken and wanted additional fingerprints, even though Dallas PD had plenty to give the FBI.
Right you are. The FBI planted the Oswald print. Authorities have no verified evidence linking Oswald to the gun found in the school book depository.
yes, the funeral home director remembers washing the fingerprinting ink off Oz's hands
I wish I could be as excited about anything as this man is about an authentic Life Magazine featuring Lee Harvey Oswald
Get a girlfriend that understands you.
😆😂
I know that excitement, as I collect vintage magazines, etc., on Marilyn Monroe...so I can relate with obtaining sought after items!😊
The way he reacted when he said wow the “original“ I thought he had the actual original photograph. It was only the magazine.
It comes out of an interest in history, and wanting to see the stuff first-hand, the real originals. I feel a similar thrill watching uncut tv news footage from the hours just after the assassination, how the news items and rumours spread through the media, and how it snowballs from the first reports to the final, dire moment when Cronkite declares: "this just came in and it looks official: President Kennedy died around 1 p.m today at Parkland....".
You should add that Oswald was shot to death by Jack Ruby, who it was revealed (in the late 1990's) had been working for the FBI. That adds a little interesting context to the story.
And the fact that A mob boss being tapped for another crime talked about his outfits hand in killing Kennedy.
Also ties with the mafia
No, it doesn't. No, he wasn't.
@@ejtattersall156 yes he was
@@paulmcgarrigle5531 Nope. No link, it didn't happen. "On March 11, 1959, Ruby was approached by FBI agent Charles W. Flynn, of the Dallas Office, to become a federal informant ...Ruby was ... subsequently contacted by the FBI eight times between March 11, 1959, and October 2, 1959, but provided no information to the Bureau, was not paid, and contact ceased." Conspiracy religion is full of liars.
As someone who grew up around guns and had myself and peers photographed holding them; I could never see anything wrong with the pictures.
Why not ask Marina? She supposedly took the photo. She lives in Texas.
@JayNJayeTv: They did. She said she did take a photo of LHO with his weapons but not that photo.....she said the one she took showed LHO standing in another part of the yard.
"Even presented with the facts, the controversy [...] persisted."
In other news, the sky is blue.
*Ah, yes. The floor is made of floor.*
Except when it has been chem trailed :)
People STILL believe that Biden has won!
;-) [incredulous sarcasm]
Conspiracy theories are referred to as being "self sealing." The harder you try to disprove a thing, the more suspicious you appear, and this perceived intent is seen as proof of the conspiracy. You can't prove a negative, and these theories put the responsibility on the critic to disprove a thing. It's impossible to disprove that Oswald did not shoot Kennedy, and the harder you try, the more fuel you give the fire.
Another words if you touch water won’t be dry.
Honestly photo editing back then was pretty good. In history class we looked at some photos of Stalin with some powerful members of the party, but there were about 3 versions- Stalin had people removed from the photos as they fell out of favour with him.
Wow that is definitely interesting! I know what hole I'm going down next 😆
@@bubblingbubztheklown5902 it’s fascinating stuff
@@bubblingbubztheklown5902 Vox did a video on it a few years ago. Soviet Photo Doctering or something
Not only that but a military or intelligence entity- as theorized- would definitely have more advanced equipments and resources that wouldn't be available for the public for at least 10y. We see that all the time
Exactly. People who think photo editing wasn’t possible the earlier part of the century are fools. There was clearly an ability there already.
The scope is present in both photos. The second photo's quality was very poor, and the lighting made it hard to see. The shadows do line up.
The authenticity of this image has never really been a big thing to me personally, but now that you mention it the apparent chin differences are the most striking. It could just be the lighting, but they do look very different in the side by side images at 3:50
It could also easily be camera angles
it's the angle or light. my chin looks different too on photos
That point about how humans are unable to quickly see inconsistencies with lighting is important for 3D artists. A lot of the time, it doesn't matter if the shadows or reflections are 100% perfectly correct. What matters is: Does it *feel* correct? And something *feeling* correct is a totally different thing to something *being* correct. This is why 3D art is an art form, it's not an exact science. What *feels* correct is something you learn over time.
Not just 3D artists....
Facts
Some questions to consider: Why would Oswald go through the trouble to have these pictures taken of him holding up the soon to be murder weapon along with a newspaper? If in fact that is him in these pictures, his motivation would appear twofold:
1. Oswald would have intended for the authorities to discover these pics (in order to)
2. Clearly show that he was in fact the man who shot Kennedy.
These pics scream- "Hello world! This is me proudly holding up the murder weapon in a recently taken photograph. Make no mistake, I'm the guy who shot Kennedy."
Yet after his arrest, Oswald adamantly denies any involvement in the pics and the assassination?? Why go through the trouble to so blatantly implicate yourself only to deny afterwards? Where will that get you?
The logic here does not match up.
Oswald was most likely set up and the backyard photo was most likely Roscoe White.
@@swankybutters8371 Roscoe White, yes. Friend of Oswalds in the Marines, hired by Dallas PD as a photo expert. White's wife and Oswald's wife lived together.
@@nmarbletoe8210 I didn't know White's wife and Marina knew each other, I heard nothing about that, hummm. I'm also pretty sure that Roscoe was the knoll shooter, 70% to 80% sure... Same with the guy in the Records Building, I'm pretty sure he was the Oswald stand-in, in Mexico... 70% to 80% sure.
@@swankybutters8371 Oh I think I got Mrs. White confused with Mrs. Paine.
@@nmarbletoe8210 I have a feeling Roscoe knew Mrs Paine and most likely got her to get Oswald the job at the Book Depository... Paine might have even taken the back yard photos, maybe...
It would be very interesting to do the same analysis of the second photo that was taken. This could lead to elements for or against theories.
Baloney.
Bro just stop, stop wasting time
Very interesting and well-done presentation on the Oswald photo controversy.
So he is actually holding a rifle. Where is the proof it is THE rifle ?
Hi verified, buying a channel huh?
Edit: That was like a month ago where it was difficult to identify between verified and bought channels
@@bumblebeegamerreal after looking through the channel they seem to upload pretty regularly
@@bumblebeegamerrealit’s probably just him posting a comment
It looks like it?
The government can’t fill pot holes how can the kelp this massive thing a secret?
There is at least two light sources of that photo. If you look at the direction and length of the shadows cast by the wooden stairs above, behind and to the left of oswalds body, those shadows would be from a high source (probably the sun) almost directly overhead (noonish) and slightly to the left and behind Oswald because the step shadows are quite long compared to how much they actually protrude out. This is directly in contrast to oswalds shadow cast by his body which is "back and to the left" (no pun intended) in the photo which would say the light source is in front of Oswald and to the right (earlier morning perhaps depending on aspect of photographer). Either way the, the direction of shadow of the steps and the direction of the shadow cast by oswalds body cast two different directions, concluding either two light sources for the photo or Oswalds body and shadow were super imposed into that background photo.
And yet the photo is real; so all that shadow and "back and to the left" stuff evaporates into nothing. Just like Kennedy's "back and to the left" muscle spasm; there is real-life evidence that he was hit from behind - only - so who cares about a muscle spasm?
As a graphic designer, I can say that people can’t recognize illumination inconsistencies well, which for my job, thank god.
if something looks obviously screwy does that mean it is genuine. ? We've all seen thousands of photos of everything under the sun and never think" Gee that looks phony".
Did Vox notice the placement on the sling mounts on the rifle in the backyard photographs?
They’re on the bottom of the stock of the rifle….the rifle taken out of the Depository 11/22 had the sling mounts on the sides of the stock …a different rifle
The post on the left of photo does not seem to have a shadow which matched oswalds shadow direction.
I really liked that professor. A very genuine guy with a pleasant demeanor. Happy about his magazine. Clearly with no hidden agenda.
That being said if Oswald worked alone then there's not a cow in Texas.
So there is no cow there in Texas...too bad for the texans...
LoL.
No proof either way on if he worked alone. It's best to stick to the verifiable facts.
@@bwood1234qwert 😆😆😆
@@bwood1234qwert Which show obvious conspiracy in every crucial area.
Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.
Except that Oswald taking an assassins photo just before he shot the Pres is hardly improbable.
Especially considering dozen of photographic experts have concluded the photos are genuine.. And Oswald gave an autographed copy to a friend..
AND Marina, to this very day, will tell you she took those photos.. lol, smh..
The loons went ‘round the bend long ago..
JamesBu11 Nice Sherlock Homes quote.
Yup. Not impossible. So he did it.
@@underwaterlaser1687 haha my bad I thought it was 1984
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The photo literally looks so normal lol
Nobody can stand like that
Rosco White stood like that. Both Photos of Oswald have the exact same image cropped on both pictures.
Oswald would have never thought that how much people in the future would study him.
Oswald X)
oswald said he didn't do it,,,i believe him
@@silence-humility-calmness You do now that criminals lie right?
@@generalfred9426 but governments don't?
@@silence-humility-calmness Well whenever they try they get busted one way or another (looks at Watergate and Clinton affair)
I changed the comment so nobody knows what was return lol
Facts, it's a shame that I was this early.
There are?
One can say being first, may be a blessing and a curse 😉
@@asr4327 let me guess, that’s you
deep
Why is Oswald"s chin clearly different? expert says. "shadows just sometimes look weird"
reading the comments after watching the new Lemino video talking about this subject is pretty wild, people will reach so far for a conspiracy.
I had Professor Farid for an introductory CS class at Berkeley. His videos were amazing and he had great stories that he told the class!
In portrait photography the way the angles of the light source makes people's faces look different is one of the first things you learn about which I'm surprised people didn't pick up more on at the time.
the key to this photo has always been the diagonal line of a shadow that almost touches his right elbow. If you explain that line, you answer whether the photo is untouched or not.
I could explain that after looking at it instantly. Don't be obtuse.
The Shadows line up. If you look to the right of his head you can see it continuing
Man, this assassination truly alter the course of the history
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It avoided a nuclear holocaust... according to Red Dwarf episode, late 80's Twilight Zone, Stephen King book.
@@laartwork Why are you afraid of death
They killed a president of the United States!🤺
Fun fact: the father of American policing, August Vollmer, went and taught at UC Berkeley. He was the first and only police chief to do so and nearly single handedly introduced forensics into modern policing.
It would be more likely they planted his gun rather than editing a photo to put Oswald with his gun
The lack of Oswalds finger prints on the rifle and lack of gun shot residue on his cheek or hands is even harder to explain.
His prints were on the gun.
@@jetcat132 Days later.
@@drewfologist2755 His prints were on the gun. His prints were on the bag. His prints were on the boxes. Shell casing were matched to his gun. All of the bullets and fragments recovered were matched to his gun.
Fibers from his shirt were on the gun. Fibers consistent with fibers of the blanket he stored it in were on his gun.
He bought the rifle, he owned the rifle, he carried it into the TSBD. He had access to the sixth floor. He was seen on the sixth floor.
His prints were not on the stock, because it was too rough a surface. They were found on the barrel after the weapon was disassembled.
C’mon man….
@@jetcat132 sources?
@@drewfologist2755
Look… this is all common knowledge. I’ll make my stance clear on this.
I subscribe to the WC report, the Clark report, and the HSCA investigation, all of which found and support the conclusion that Oswald shot and killed Kennedy, wounded Connally, and then killed Officer Tippit, and he acted alone.
Read the WC report, look up the others, it’s all there and has been for many years. The evidence isn’t flexible, it isn’t interchangeable, it’s solid and has stood the same for 60 years.
I’m not going to type it all out here. Just read the reports…
As an artist, I could never understand what was supposed to be "off" about the photo. When people would point out what they saw as "off", it never looked odd to me. Other than his stance, everything seemed to line up. I always wrote off his posture as him striking a cocky Barney Fife-esque pose while holding a gun that was heavy for someone his size in a weird way.
@Pol Pot 2024 lots of practice studying and drawing light and shadow perhaps? Just something that seems vaguely related
Nah i am a kindergardener and i also find that image to be genuine. In my field of work, i am often faced with many people striking odd poses out on the field while carrying objects too heavy for their sizes. Once people believe what they imagine, they will proclaim them as facts.
@@Gquain a w h a t
Oh look im pretending to be an artist to make you think that my opinion counts more, while i try to confirm the official narrative.
Wow the actual conspiracy theorists have found this video!
This doesn't prove Oswald shot Kennedy.
That’s the point
All of the rest of the evidence does!
“The many faces of Oswald”is much better then this video
@@mikenorton632 really
One thing I'll never understand is this how did Oswald get from the second floor lunch room to the sixth floor do his deed and get back down again without being seen bear in mind the building would have been buzzing with people going to and grow with the president arriving and no one seen Oswald I find that hard to believe.
It's a surplus weapon & there was a carbine version also. Lastly that pix shows nothing of seriial numbers so the only thing it proves it's a similar rifle. 1 other thing, the bolt had a straight handle unless it was heated & bent to allow for clearance.
Since when does having a picture taken holding whatever "murder weapon" or evidence automaticly make one guilty?
For argument...lets say they photo is indeed legit. Soooooooooo?
I have dozens of pictures sitting in my car...would that make me automatically guity had someone been hit with it??
Not a chance.
Throw the picture out. Go ahead, throw it out.
Now let’s talk about the mountain of other evidence that says Oswald did indeed do it, and the non existence of anything substantial that says he didn’t.
Thats where it gets real for you guys, and you just won’t admit it.
When something comes into question, like government "conspiracies", the investigation shouldn't be headed by the same organisation in question.
Ah yes, dear sirs, I have thoroughly investigated all the accusations against me, and in doing so I found no wrongdoing on my behalf. Believe me ...I really tried to find it but sadly I did not. It seems it was a simple misunderstanding ... a witch hunt if you will.
Technically the Warren commission was entirely separate, however that doesn't prevent agencies from interfering still
@@idek6585 Exactly. And agencies like the FBI & CIA withhold information & evidence which is a form obstruction
@@idek6585 Appointed by one of the conspirators, the commission was not independent.
Never ,ever shod it be investigated by the same agencies. Reminds me of too much about the FBI And President Biden's associations with the LEFT WING and the FBI. ooooh
Too Creepy.
the photo even if it is Oswald is NOT "JFKs killer". Oswald never went to trial or was convicted and there were 2 rifles found on the 6th floor. Also, an employee working at the time said she was standing near the bottom of the stairs that lead to the 6th floor of the school book depository and said Oswald never went up or came down the stairs anytime before or after the assassination. The Warren commission did not report the two rifles found, only the rifle Oswald owned which by itself isn't foolproof evidence, especially considering all the evidence and witness testimony that was ignored by the FBI and the Warren commission.
Just ONE rifle was found. It was misidentified.
Yes the government had jfk killed how had the most to gain from JFK's death Johnson and big business all the weapon and war material from a 10 long war they didn't want to win Johnson wife own a construction company that did a whole lot of work in Vietnam
And the select committee.
@@banjohombre7252 So they say
“there were 2 rifles found on the 6th floor.”
Wrong. Only one rifle was found. You have no evidence for another one.
“an employee working at the time said she was standing near the bottom of the stairs that lead to the 6th floor of the school book depository and said Oswald never went up or came down the stairs anytime before or after the assassination.”
Victoria Adams was mistaken in her estimate of the time and must have used the back staircase a few minutes after Oswald’s descent (as well as Truly and Baker’s ascension), based on the fact that she saw Depository foreman William Shelley and employee Billy Lovelady as soon as she reached the first floor.
Both men told authorities in 1964 that they were outside the Depository at the time of the shots, ran to the railroad yards immediately thereafter, and didn’t reenter the building until a few minutes later.
Adams testified she left the building by the rear loading dock (after encountering Shelley and Lovelady), made her way around to the front of the building, and heard a report (later proved incorrect) over a nearby police radio that shots were thought to have been fired from the second or fourth floor of the Depository (6 H 391). The two earliest such reports were made over channel 2, one at 12:39 and the other at 12:40 p.m.-nine to ten minutes after the shooting (NAS-CBA DPD tapes, C2, 12:39-40 p.m.)-which is not only consistent with the statements of Shelley and Lovelady, but also strongly suggestive, all
by itself, that Adams didn’t come down the back stairs immediately after the shooting, as she claimed. Eddie Piper told the Commission that he was standing near the back elevators when Truly and Baker ran over, unsuccessfully tried to call one of the elevators down, and dashed up the stairs. Piper stated that “nobody” came down the stairs before Truly and Baker went up, which Adams and Styles would have done if they had come down the stairs immediately. When Piper was specifically asked, “Did you see Vicky Adams come down the steps . . . before Truly and the man [Baker] went up the steps?” he responded, “No, sir, no, sir. She didn’t do it”
No mention of the different location of the strap bolts. Or that the affidavit of the cop who found the gun says it was a German Mauser and not a Carcano.
Also this guy is a digital expert, not film.
Some where I read Oswald had worked at a photographic studio and asked a coemployee how to alter photos . Can it be that Oswald doctored the photo, himself.
I feel like the photo is the least compelling aspect of the Kennedy assassination conspiracy.
Same, I wasn’t even aware of it. To throw more gas on this fire, it’s interesting that only the flimsiest aspects of the conspiracy are mentioned and hyper-analyzed in popular media.
Me and the House Select Committee on Assassinations who concluded that JFK’s death was probably the result of a conspiracy are just weirdos I guess.
@@jonathandelossantos9332 The House Committee's evidence of "conspiracy" were based on audio recordings taken by Dallas Policeman that didn't synchronize properly. Those findings were refuted with the House Committee not finding any evidence that any group was part of conspiracy which meant that Oswald acted alone.
That's the point. They produce a large amount of very small details that don't match up to corroborate their hypothesis and it takes time and effort to debunk each one. At which point they jump to the next one and say "despite that being false, the rest checks out!"
@@jonathandelossantos9332 Not really, you're not. The weird ones are those who believe what the WC report says.
Your conclusions are right.
@@generalfred9426 He did not because he couldn't.
Go back and see what JFK did. His actions made some people angry.
Someone taking a picture holding a firearm, especially in a state like Texas, is not evidence of guilt.
no , but its supposed to be.
It's supporting evidence for the overwhelming case against Oswald.
@@robertromero8692 There is no "overwhelming case" against LHO and never was. Firstly, we seem to keep forgetting that the official position of the US government is that there probably WAS a conspiracy. AS found by the HSCA in 1979. The next official body to look into the JFK assassination was the AARB. Its chief council would be one of the world's leading experts on the case having taken hundreds of witness depositions and seen documents few others have. I would think his opinion would be definitive. He stated: “I am convinced that Oswald would have been found ‘not guilty’. Beyond a reasonable doubt, to me there is no question, he is "not guilty" beyond a reasonable doubt.” - Jeremy Gunn, Chief Council for the Assassination Records Review Board . And dont get me started on the "JFK challenge" created by Barry Kursch to settle the matter in front of a neutral , profesional arbitration board. No person claiming an "overwhelming case" against LHO has taken the challange-NOT one. Considering that the winner gets from 55,000$ to a Million dollars you would think such an easy case would have some takers......
@@JohnJohnson-pq4qz “Jeremy Gunn, Chief Council for the Assassination Records Review Board”
Spare me the argument from authority. Plenty of other legal experts have declared Oswald guilty. In fact, he WAS found guilty in London with a real Dallas judge and jury, a real prosecutor, a real defense attorney, and real witnesses.
@@robertromero8692 that was not a real trial. It was a show trial for TV.
It's the same with all conspiracy theories. Producing "evidence" from a conclusion instead of a conclusion from evidence.
The top lab in the country, working with the Cia was involved in editing films of the assassination, why would they not assist in the photos?
2 things -
rifle strap is completley different on the 2 guns - oswald's is on the bottom of the barrel & stock, the one they found has the strap embedded in the middle of the barrel & in the stock
why didn't this expert notice that oswald's wedding ring no show where he holds the papers, shows when he holds the rifle on the 2nd photo? there's a 3rd photo where he holds the rifle in his right hand again the the ring shows again but on the other hand!! very weird
Mirror image of the 1st rifle photo? It would switch hands and sides for the rifle.
1. You can't see the wedding ring because the image is grainy, doesn't mean it's not there.
2. The other hand has his Marine ring on it.
“At some point you get to the end and you say ‘ok.’ The only plausible explanation is that it’s authentic, and you have to move on.”
🤔
“…He’s in on it.”
Hahahhaaaaaa! Yeh he explained everything too thoroughly... hmmm... must be on on it.
(I can't say I didn't have this thought 😬)
@@bubblingbubztheklown5902 haha. Yep.
“Plausible, huh? A little _too_ plausible.”
@@Yellowsnow69420 that's exactly what I said to my husband!
This researcher has always thought the photo was too ridiculously convenient. Plus it was found in the home of the Paines - a couple whose involvement with the Oswalds was awfully peculiar. It's not much of a stretch to suspect Michael Paine (not Oswald) as the man photographed behind the Neely Street house. Over the years the Paines certainly have done their part to steer the public's perceptions of Oswald as guilty (as the good, obedient agents they likely are/were).
See how they leave out the big mark above his head that doesn’t ahow up in any other photo
I like that his first response to being handed that magazine was "Yeah i'm going to keep this"
Interesting piece! I think the last point the guy makes is particularly important - how on earth could any entity alter photos so perfectly using early 60's optical techniques, to the point that they would stand up to scrutiny from technology that wouldn't even be invented for decades?
That still doesn't explain why exactly the newspapers edited the magazine covers though... What general purpose does it serve in removing the scope of a gun?
The video doesn’t consider that it could have been Oswald’s double who was photographed and not in fact Oswald.
possibly michael paine, although i think it was actually Oswald's head on someone else's body, maybe roscoe white
fairly good chance paine was the Oswald who shot Tippit
I've been a pro photographer since 1987, and, yes, we pay attention when photographing stuff as to the angle of the lighting and thus the shadows and how they fall.
You should check the scale on the chart you talk about at 10:37. You say 50% of the time when the scale clearly showes 65%. Meaning an increased accuracy of only 5% instead of the 20% you state in the video.
Ok, how do those figures change when we go ask Marina if she took the photos, and she answers yes?!.. Like she has always maintained?.. lol..
Good catch! Thanks, we added a correction.
@@jacobjones5269 you accept it as fact, because she said it ?
@@xrizbira
I accept it because literally dozens of forensic photographic experts say they’re genuine..
And I believe Marina for a few reasons.. One, she’s never wavered from that statement, and she’ll tell you today, if you ask her, that she took the pics… Even though she’s a conspiracy believer.. And secondly, if they are genuine, which they are, then who is the most likely person to have taken the pics?..
@@jacobjones5269 now tell me why he killed JFK ? This is like the umbrella man, he just protesting why he had a black umbrella. A protest that he is the only one who understand it, but accepted as valid and fact. Too many coincid3nce for it not to be a conspiracy
I know this won't sway the conspiracy theorists, but it's really enlightening for the rest of us, and it probably helps convince fence-sitters. Thank you so much, love debunks like this.
I'm fully on board on something very fishy happening with the JFK murder, including the possibility that Oswald didn't shoot him at all. It does seem like the picture is real but that is hardly evidence of him killing the president. It doesn't change my views on the JFK murder being something different than what we were told.
Nobody can put the rifle in Oswald’s hands while it’s being fired, so I don’t think anyone who believes in a conspiracy can ever be convinced it wasn’t..
However, there’s no doubt Lee was a cop killer.. Theres witnesses and evidence strewn across 6 city blocks.. The most damaging being the jacket the alleged killer discarded under a car 3 blocks from the murder scene.. And the reason is, nobody can reasonably claim the jacket was planted, because nobody knew a cop would be murdered right there and right then.. And they certainly wouldn’t know an escape route that didn’t exist until the killer stopped shooting.. And consequently, conspiracy believers have no answer for why the jacket is there..
The alleged killer’s movement were tracked by 14 witnesses at the scene, or along Patton St.. 11 of them said it was Oswald.. 2said it looked a lot like Oswald, and one said he didn’t get a good enough look to ID anyone.. 2of these witnesses followed the killer when he turned on Jefferson St.. At a distance, because he was armed.. And they lost him near a Texaco gas station/ used car lot.. Another witness see the same man in the Texaco parking lot.. All 3 said the alleged killer was wearing a light colored jacket, and all 3 said it was Oswald they saw.. And remember, WE KNOW this person murdered the officer, because he was never out of sight from witnesses along his escape route, until Reynolds and Patterson lose him at the Texaco.. And immediately after, Mary Brock sees him in the Texaco parking lot, wasp king briskly towards the back of the parking lot… Where a light colored jacket is found..
The jacket, itself, is IDed by Marina Oswald as Lee Oswald’s jacket.. And fibers on the inside lining matched the shirt Oswald was arrested in.. And this was an unusual shirt, with a spectrum of 75 colors, per thread, ranging from brown to yellow.. And of course, Oswald is arrested without his jacket, which we know he was wearing.. A light colored Eisenhower jacket..
Now, there’s only one reason why Lee would be discarding his jacket in that parking lot.. The jacket is devastating evidence.. It buttresses the shells and proves they weren’t switched, and it buttresses the IDs, which conspiracy believes always gripe about..
Most definitely a cop killer.. How that effects your thought on JFK is up to you..
The jacket was found about the same time Oswald was arrested.. And he was arrested without a jacket.. What did he do with HIS JACKET, if the one found wasn’t his?..
Did 2 people toss their jackets that afternoon?.. Both light colored?.. Both looking enough like Oswald that 14 witnesses, none of whom said it wasn’t Oswald, got it wrong?!.. lol..
And we know it wasn’t switched in police custody, because Capt Westbrook took possession of the jacket at the scene, from under a car, and he later IDed the jacket to the Warren Commission as the jacket he found..
Lol.. Do you really make excuses for cop killers?.. Just so you can feel smart?..
The man in that parking lot was the killer of Officer Tippit.. And the 3 witnesses who place the killer in or around that parking lot said it was Oswald..
He’s arrested with the pistol that matched the shells at the scene..
He was arrested with extra shells OF BOTH TYPES the killer used to murder Officer Tippit, Remington and Winchester.. lol..
And 11 of 14 witnesses of this event, or it’s aftermath, said Oswald was the man they saw.. And of the remaining 3?.. 2 said it looked a lot like Oswald, and the final guy said he didn’t get a good enough look to ID anyone..
NONE OF THEM said it wasn’t Oswald..
He woulda got sent to the chair after 15 minutes jury deliberation with evidence like that against him.. He’s guilty..
Maybe this is what they want you to think
A 3-foot 4-inch rifle is a carbine. The highly suspect purchase record of Oswald's rifle was "not" a carbine. The rifle found in the TBS was "NOT" an Italian made 6.5 mm Carcano. It was a German made 7.65 mm Mauser. Yet, you state it was the same "Carcano Carbine" in the photo. Please explain.
I’ve been working on a simple vfx shot for about a week. I keep telling myself that no one is going to notice it’s not perfectly lit, but still keep putting time into it. This video came up on my feed and now I feel like I can stop wasting time on it knowing people don’t notice these inconsistencies 😅
Have you ever noticed throughout History when a tragedy happens everyone wants answers? But as soon as the questions are answered and the person or people are caught the first thing people do is try and debunk it.
That’s because “the answer” is usually given by the main suspects, in this case the government.
@@zykom1 They’re always the main suspect.
@@zykom1 I do believe the government was involved in this one. But if you're one of those people that think the government has been apart of everything you're as delusional as the rest.
One thing you're forgetting you're finding a man guilty who never got a trial before a jury of his peers.
@@driverslqqk7940 I'm not just saying for this case. I meant in general.
The thing that bugs me about the 3D recreation is that the digital figure is holding a Mosin-Nagant rifle, instead of the Carcano that Oswald actually used.
Hahaha!!!! That is so funny. I went back and looked. I even searched the internet for the rifle. It is the same one.
What a schmuck!!!! You've had your head someplace else for too long.
@@rabbit251 oooh. Somebody struck a nerve!
@@rabbit251 definitely a Mosin-Nagant on digital model the muzzle is different to a Mannlicher Carcano
@@andybrace9225 That doesn't really matter. The weight of the gun is still the same as the rifle Oswald used.
You mean the Carcano the Oswald DID NOT USE
Remember, the first rifle they found was a Mauser. This morphed into a Manlicher to fit the story of the mail order etc. It was a conspiracy
Care to explain why the rifle Oswald holds has sling mounts under the weapon, but the one the police showed had side mounted swivels?
Didn't Marina say that she took the pictures? Every depiction I've seen has her taking them.
Either way it’s evidence of nothing from dealy plaza
Your question is so easy to google.
Just remember, “Nothing bad happens to the Kennedys!”
Yes
…Kennedys
@@TheTwick yes
@@TheTwick his brother was going to run for president but was also shot
@@abrahamlincoln8037 typical Kennedy’s graciousness
the real psyop is thinking this photo has anything at all to do with the central question of who killed kenedy
you got it
George Dealey will always be remembered for something that happened years after his death.
correct and the city of dallas is now trying to shake that image, but you can not change history. it is what it is.
Who? The plaza is remembered. George is separate from the assassination.
@@jodyguilbeaux8225 that is if the truth is acknowledged. if not like now it's forever in Limbo.
10:35 before you said the stats i was thinking, "thats not long enough to compare id just be choosing 50/50" 😅
Vox, great video! One question though, did the professor got to keep the copy of Life Magazine?
Why would they go through that much trouble with faking a film photo, faking it THAT well, when they could've just said, 'yeah we found his fingerprints on the rifle' lol.
Well you could argue the image had a much more powerful effect, fingerprints is one thing but a photo is a whole different story. The imagine being real doesn’t really matter though.
Fingerprint technology was not a thing back than
@@Paco1337 actually it was.. his assassination was in 1963, the first ever fingerprint test was in 1892
@@Paco1337 it absolutely was lol
Why would you carry out a politically motivated assassination then claim you were framed?
I can use a bolt action rifle as a Royal Marine but I even after years of practise I could not get 3 rounds off in that time and hit a moving target at that distance
You underestimate your talents 😏
there were a few different peoples --not only Oswald---and they shoot target from different distances
@@nightmare-lw9sp i totally agree with you I couldnt get those shots off even though I trained and trained and trained more on bolt action rifles on static targets yet alone moving ones.
skill issue real talk
He was an expert marksman, and he had a near perfect vantage point. Maybe you couldn't have, but that doesn't mean he couldn't have.
I let out a chuckle when the professor mentioned “back and to the right”
Shut up and stop posting this eveywhwre
Why is someone's murder funny?
Ever see the movie JFK? It overemphasized parts of the case, and that’s a famous line from it. Became so popular it was even parodied in a Seinfeld episode
Lol 😂
@@longfield0023 If you've never seen Seinfeld, just say you missed out on a cultural touchstone and go away.
It's amazing how gullable people are when it comes to government supplied conclusions.
"Oh! The government would never lie about this or that."
there very few people who rely on "the gov't told me so" in the Kennedy assassination - they rely on the evidence provided by sane & sober investigators - rather than paranoidal conspiracy theorists
This is interesting but, it's not even mentioned here, the possibility of ANOTHER GUN of the same model of OSWALD'S in this photo being used...I mean to say, what there was only ONE of these model rifles made? The American people will NEVER know the truth in this matter. This has been such a convoluted tale of facts, misdirection, false leads, etc. that its harder and harder to determine what is right and what is wrong. I was 9 years old when this happened and since growing older enough, (teens, 68 now) I have researched and read all I have found about the assassination. The main records were sealed until a time when ANYONE even remotely connected to this death would be long dead. Why? to avoid possible prosecution? Who knows? Even the Warren Commission Report on the assassination is a crock of coverup/hide the truth. If interested, Read, "Accessories after the Fact" by Syvia Meagher, an investigative reporter. She did excellent research in the Warren Commission's Report and shows so many holes in the 21 volumes. Sad, but like I said, we will never know the truth.
Exactly
I can’t believe this is STILL debated 🤦🏻
Oswald’s wife to this very day has ALWAYS insisted the photo was real because she took it!
A forensic photography lab in 2014 proved 100% that the photo had not been manipulated in any way.
Yeah because she has no reason to lie, like being deported back to the USSR right?
@@stonesfan285
Listen brother I understand that this conspiracy stuff has always fascinated people, but as far as this picture is concerned it was proven to be real years ago.
The photos weren’t required to prove his guilt as they found his fingerprints on the gun.
Who cares. This wasn't even the gun that was used. Many different types of firearms were fired in unison.
The FBI fingerprint lab in Washington found no useable prints on the rifle when it was tested on Nov. 23rd. And no palm print either. The gun was sent back to Dallas the following day. The police took more prints from Oswald's body at the funeral home although they had already done so on the Friday at the station. Then on Monday, surprise, surprise, the police discovered a palm print - that's convenient. But that turns out to be poor and unusable. So, no forensic ties to that gun.
@@biblicalfitness1838blah blah blah. Whenever faced with the evidence, you guys run away or lie.
I actually have that life magazine in the video. I got that one along with some others from the 40s-60s and a newspaper from the day JFK was assassinated from my Grandmom
thats awesome. i love original cool stuff like that
I hear that Life was going to run a story that month on corruption of LBJ, but the other events obviously took precedence.
nice
@@nmarbletoe8210 Correct.
If there's every a Harvey Oswalt movie, Charlie Puth should play him.