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Why don't you attempt to be original by not featuring a Yankees player in the thumbnail? Is that even possible for you? At least in any "worst" category. It's okay though, the HOF voters disagree. Calling his defense "subpar" is debatable but I can respect the opinion. Calling him the worst defensive player of all time? It's not merely absurd it's next-level/industrial strength hyperbole.
You missed perhaps the worst defensive player of all-time: Adam Dunn. Over a six-year span, he had -136 DRS and his career total is -162. His career dWAR was -28.4 despite fewer than 8,300 PAs.
SS, CF, C, and 3rd are the only positions that really make a noticable diff with defense. I still rather have an elite hitter whos avg or slightly below average at defense than an elite defender that sux at hitting.
Yeah Adam Dunn, yet Jeter is number one. Played 150 games a year for all but 2 years and missed the playoffs once. Drs and UZR credit nothing g for durability or pressure packed environments.
The only thing keeping Raul Ibanez out of this video is the fact he wasn't a full time player until he was 29. His adventures in LF were like snuff films that generated dozens of all-time great gifs. The lawn dart is still my favorite.
Seattle was Smart and had Defensive Center Fielders and Ichiro to compensate. They'd shift Center over to cover half of Left Field for him with Defensive Wizards like Adrian Beltre and Jack Wilson/Yuniesky Betancourt expanding the Infield into the short portion of Left Field. Unfortunately, that's where Seattle's Intelligence Ended as they also thought Richie Sexton and Russel Branyon were Power Hitters to build around during that period.
Back in the 80's or 90's when the Dodgers had Pedro Guerro at 3rd, Mariano Duncan at short, Steve Sax at 2nd and Mike Marshall at first, was one of the worst fielding infields of all time. So there is a story where Tommy Lasorda is having a team meeting and he says "Pedro, bottom of the 9th, tying run on 3rd, two outs what are you thinking ." Guerrro responds saying "I am thinking 2 things coach, please to not hit the ball to me." Lasorda ask what is the other thing he is thinking "Dear God, don't let them hit the ball to Sax."
Lol, how did Pedro not even make it to the honorable mentions list? East coast bias? I clicked on this fully expecting to see him muffing a ground ball, dropping a throw, or airmailing one to the wrong base.
Trying to sound .. important? Smart? Idk what it is, lmao. But he's a good creator, he doesn't need to do any of that extra shit.. we enjoy the content, just be real! Nobody talks like that in real life 😂 I refuse to believe it
I still think Jeter would have been league average or better at 3rd base. Range doesn't matter as much there and that was his issue. He handled the plays he could get to at a very high rate and had an excellent arm. All these years later, I still can't believe the Yankees moved ARod off SS for Jeter. It's not like tons of people hadn't already been pointing this out.
@a_coleman11 Many fans and commentators were already well aware that Jeter was a shit SS and called it out at the time. It wasn't the fans who would have been upset, it was Jeter.
Then if u think of it, part of the reason they signed tex was to have a good fielder for jeter at short, they don’t sigh tex, they have the pick for Trout, they sign manny ramirez for the ‘09 season and move swisher to 1st with an outfield/dh bench: Damon, cabrera Gardner, Ramirez/Matsui
if you look at his advanced metrics, it shows him as an awful an RF still lol. Thats why is overall war is so bad. I disagree with that though, hes a lot more valuable than his war says, defensive metrics are too heavily counted towards or against a players value. I'd rather have a player like him than someone who can't hit a lick but plays amazing RF
@@robotbro7187 I suspect that's why Johan Rojas has been so important for the Phillies in CF. His speed and glove allow him to effectively shrink Castellano's field responsibility taking away a lot of dropped balls
@@richardm123 yeah true, rojas should be a solid hitter too, at least when it comes to avg, so the phillies will be able to keep him a full time starter, which will make him even more valuable to the phillies
Tommy Lasorda once asked Guerrero what is he thinking about when he in the field. His answer was “I hope that he doesn’t hit the ball to me.” Flabbergasted by his answer Lasorda asked a follow-up question “what else are you thinking about? I” “I hope they don’t hit it to Sax. “😊
As a Mets fan I watched Sheffield play most of a season in left. I'm not kidding; there must have been at least 30 flyballs that fell to earth in front of him that were scored as hits that season, as he NEVER attempted to make a play where he had to make any quick-twitch moves ...
The Texas Rangers once had a clubhouse award called the Iron Skillet which went to the player who had the worst defensive blunders each week. The story goes that the iron skillet spent one entire season in Pete Incaviglia's locker.
Great video - if nothing else it makes one appreciate even more the players you highlighted in the beginning (B Robinson, Clemente, O Smith etc.). Reggie Jackson in his Yankee years was considered hilarious in the outfield. After the "Reggie Bar" candy bar came out, a NY sports reporter said it wasn't needed as there was already a bar named for Jackson. It is called "Butterfingers."
@@BishjamIC He didn't get payed to play defense he got paid to hit homeruns and strike out, and he did historic levels of both. 38th and 3rd all time respectively, or in other words he is Reggie Jackson
Anyone who watched that last two game performance of the NLDS by Castellanos knows why the phillies play him. Hint: first player ever with back-to-back multi homerun games in the playoffs
He’s always good for a home run when someone has to apologize on air for offensive slurs or an announcement of a legend passing away. Always play Casty if Thom Brennaman has to apologize for something he said.
To everyone talking about how Castellanos has no errors this year fails to realize that he doesn’t have any errors because he doesn’t get to a lot of balls, so they aren’t considered errors cause he doesn’t even get a glove on them. I love Casty, but he’s no Willie Mays out there. The defense is better in Philly, but exceptional.
@@charleskraExactly, that just proves we value errors too much when we analyze defense. Just because he hasn't recorded errors doesnt mean he isn't a bad defender. He struggles to get to the ball consistently and that leads to runs scoring. He won't get an error if he isn't close to the ball. Lucky for Nick he is a great batter.
Not sure you’ll read or care, but you end almost every sentence with intonation rather than using it for more impactful statements, causing the dialogue to have a very rhythmic quality and not allowing the more interesting facts to stand out.
I enjoyed this VIDEO! I like how you take on sacred cows like Derek JETER and use advanced metrics to defend your ARGUMENTS! And after a while I got hypnotized by the rhythm of your patter, how you emphasize the last word of each SENTENCE!
I'm not sure why, but this is probably my favorite video that you've made. Perhaps I've just had a rough day, but this was incredibly interesting. I don't think we spend anywhere near enough time looking at what players are doing on defense. I remember being a HUGE fan of Jeter and Sheffield. I knew they weren't fielders, but I had no idea they were that bad. It all makes sense, though, if you saw them in their prime. Everyone thought Sheffield was going to be the next boy wonder.
@@pepsgaming2691the real thing is that jeters best defensive years aren’t counted in his stats. He’s massive for the position and played consistently, through injury, in a constantly pressure packed environment, in the biggest city in the world. Thinking that the numbers count enough to call him the worst defender of all time is laughable. He managed games, you’d have to have watched his career live to understand that. The argument that he’s this defensive abomination is simply not true. Lacks so much context.
Unfortunately UZR and DRS are useless before the use of tech to pinpoint players and the ball's positioning. Michael Humphreys published articles about it and has a book detailing how a very good player can be penalized because even though he can have good range up until very recently there were people deciding where the play was made either live in stadiums or using precarious videos. People from BIS are on record saying "the concerns raised by Michael Humphreys and others may have some validity, especially when using data from earlier years with estimated hit locations. However, as technology and video feeds have improved, so has our data quality." How bad could it get? "any hit location was better than no hit location; therefore we plotted the hit locations based on the descriptions available to use, even if that was just a radio broadcast." Even though they go on to say that 6-8% of plays had no video and thus relied on radio or any description whatsoever lets keep in mind that you shouldn't be giving a score to plays based solely on what you imagined happened because even today not every play shows how much the fielder covered. It is quite interesting too that Pedroia was rewarded by rolling in the ground to get to the ball while a rangier second baseman like Canó was penalized for having more range, a better fielding technique AND arm, Canó fielded almost every ball standing up while Pedroia was out of the play in the ground after releasing his throw. It is not surprise thus that also Jeter was penalized because scorers employed by Bill James tended to score plays where he covered a lot of ground as "easy plays" while balls that were hit to a SS that was already shifted were deemed as harder plays because when the TV cut to the SS fielding it appeared as if he moved from SS, which was a lie: shifted infielders usually got better ratings, back in the day not shifting was criticized from Jeter, when he employed the shift the system scored him better but the amount of plays he made were less, thus he returned to fielding as always, people often use videos of Jeter's blunders from late in his career to try and confirm UZR and DRS biases from earlier in his career whom already had spent 8 seasons at SS in the majors. It might not come as a surprise that players from the team that employs Bill James were routinarily rated better, so much that he tweaked the scoring system to avoid penalizing left fielders when the ball hit the fenway left field wall 20+ ft above ground level, Manny Ramírez was after all being penalized before that.
Cano never had any range. He had very strong arm. He finished slightly above average per inning but below average per game at 2b. So depending on what metric you want to use. He was slightly above average or slightly below average.
I know people don't really care, for the most part, about anybody who played before they were born, or before they became aware of baseball. But a player that should be mentioned here would be Dick Stuart. Stuart was a hulking first baseman who could hit a ball a mile, but he wasn't called 'Dr. Strangeglove' for nothing. He played from 1958 until 1969 mostly playing for the Pirates & Red Sox. He received MVP votes 3 times, but certainly not for the leather....
Calling Derek Jeter the worst defensive fielder ever is the same as calling Brett Favre the most inaccurate passer ever. Even your caveat re: accumulation isn’t enough. DWar had a defensive adjustment baked in. It’s the accumulation and aggregate totals of those specific stats cited that result in high totals stemming from the logical reasoning you include that got us here - which I 100% agree with. DRS is a measure that benchmarks other SS. Of course that looks worse for Jeter. He wasn’t even the best SS on his team for a chunk of his career. He indeed had terrible range BUT can you deny he had good hands? Just a slight statistical headwind on defensive categories compensated for others, as you said.
Jeter was fine if you hit the ball to him. Favre on the other hand turned the ball over too much, especially in clutch time when he didn’t need to be a hero. Which is why he only won one superbowl.
Dude what a hot start to the video. I knew jeter would be here but not the very first guy LOL. Your cadence is also incredible you’re my new favorite channel
@@SakAttack87 What other member of the 3,000 hit club is NOT in the HOF? Derek Jeter could have been a DH his entire career and would still be in the HOF, and I am not a big Jeter fan.
This video demonstrates why the very thought of Jeter being a unanimous HOF selection almost put me in the hospital. Thankfully, a voter realized that Jeter's position required both offense and defense.
What? No Pete Incavelia? I watched him commit three errors on the same play-dropped ball, booted ball, threw ball into stands. Rangers fans had a joke, "What do Michael Jackson and Pete Incavelia have in common? They both wear gloves on their left hand for no apparent reason."
The day the Red Sox signed Hanley Ramirez was the day I realized the the Red Sox enjoy having a guy in Left Field named “Ramirez” who is not as good as everyone thinks he is.
When you brought up Hanley, it reminded me this dummy caused Kershaw a perfect game and once he dropped a liner so he could get a double play knowing the whole world was watching him..he was good with the bat, but second hand embarrassment with his defense..glad we sent him to Boston 🤣
Jeter was actually an above average SS in the late 90’s and the early 2000’s but his defense regressed very quickly and they would have benefited from making him the DH and A-Rod the SS. Jeter had already established himself as a clutch hitter but if you look at the defensive highlights of Jeter and A-Rod at SS it’s clear A-Rod is better.
@kendallevans4079 he won 5 titles, I don't care what little stats say. He accomplished something that is rare. He also has the 4th most homeruns in playoff history. If he played dh maybe his hitting would get worse. At the end of the day Jeter is the best short stop of all time
After 2000 he was last or second to last at SS in RF. He should have been on the corners but the Yankees were winning so much you could hide him. Once 2010 rolled around you could see how bad defensively he was at SS. Because the yanks stopped winning every year.
Finally someone to finally speak out on Derek Jeter being sub-par at defense. Jeter is a generational player, we all agree on that. However, his defense was not a hair above average if even that. It also doesn’t help that Jeter played in a time when Shortstop was full of defensive superstar Shortstops. Barry Larkin, Jimmie Rollins, Ozzie Smith (for a year or so), Edgar Renteria, Nomar Garciaparra….I mean the list goes on. Those are all legendary names. Hard to compete with that.
Jeter made clutch plays. He rarely booted a ball in a clutch situation. He did all that was asked of him. Pitchers said they never worried when a ball was hit to short, especially in the late innings.
@@davidfeinberg7829 Historically the worst SS in MLB history (and refused to play any other position in 2674 games apart from the 73 games at DH). Cost the Club at least 2 WS wins (played Gonzalez too shallow in Game 7 of the 01 WS. Booted a groundball in Game 6 from Jeff Conine in the 03 WS). If he held enough power over the Club for a better SS than him to play 3B, then you can bet that they were told "don't say anything about The Captain".
@@SimonFoster23111971 Torre wanted the infield in because Mariano might give up a weak grounder. He was playing where he was told. I get it, you didn’t like a guy who was as good a player one could find. Your opinion really doesn’t matter to Jeter. He made millions, won 5 rings and was 1 vote shy of unanimous election to the Hall of Fame. Sure, you matter.
@@davidfeinberg7829 With one out and loaded bases, you get a Ground Ball and try for the Double Play, which means that he was out of position. Jeter sucked as a SS. There again, you're a homer for the Stripes, so why am I surprised that you throw someone else apart from you puppetmaster under the bus?
I think it is worth noting- Castellanos was much improved this past season. By no means was he good or even maybe average, but the analytics team in Philly really figured out where to position him to get the most out of what little defensive talent he has to bring him to probably just “below average” rather than “shockingly and historically terrible” to be frank as a fan I’d rather see Nick out there than Schwarber any day
Cecil Fielder's dWAR was almost certainly lower *because* he spent time at DH, not in spite of it. The positional adjustment for dWAR gives a huge hit to DH that you have to be really, really bad at your position to cancel out. Looking at his baseball reference page, Cecil was worth -28 fielding runs over his 13 seasons, compared to -98 positional adjustment runs. On a rate basis, the combination of fielding and positional runs as a 1B is still better than the positional runs solely as a DH. But, maybe he would have gotten worse as a 1B if he'd been allowed to play more. Hard to say, since it didn't happen that way.
@@sir.muffiniii7011i assume because of his extremely overrated status as a fielder due to him being a lifelong Yankee and the media cock riding him into ridiculous awards he won despite being statistically awful
This should be retitled, "Some of the worst fielders since the early 1990s," since I didn't see anyone mentioned whose career mainly took place before then. At least two more Ramirezes should have been mentioned: Manny, and '70s utility infielder Ted. As examples of how deceptive statistics can be, Greg Luzinski was the worst outfielder I ever saw, but he led the NL in fielding percentage for outfielders in 1973 (.993). Zeke Bonura was notorious for his immobility at first base, but he led the AL in fielding percentage in 1938 (.993).
Well this video was enlightening. I didn’t watch much Jeter or Yankees. But was under the impression he was a great all round athlete hence HOF. So this is interesting.
Pedro Alvarez with Pirates was terrible at fielding 1st base. I was right behind 1st base dugout for a game and he mightve only had 1 error but at least 3 other times bobbled a ball
Kevin was an absolute pleasure to watch in CF! Between KK, Varsho, and Springer, I felt like we got to see a fantastic defense play out there every night.
I love my Yankees and grew up watching the Captain. But I have had multiple arguments with fellow Yanks fans that it was a CRIME to trade for ARod and stick him at 3rd.
Hi I'm a newer viewer, loving the videos that I've seen. Genuinely, I mean it. You pick good talking points and talk about them well. Keep it up... but it's gonna bother me if I don't say this, which I entirely mean as constructive criticism. You have the *exact* same cadence in almost every single sentence you say and it drives me insane lol. Emphasis on the last word; and every sentence/phrase alternates on *how* emphasized it is. Pls diversify your speech patterns I beg you haha. If it helps, put your vids on 2x speed and listen back. It's incredibly repetitive. (again, love the videos outside of this particular aspect I'm so sorry)
The worst fielding 3B I ever saw was Mark Reynolds. He wasn't allowed to stay there too long though. The Jeter apologists...Jeter didn't have range and was the world's best false hustler in the field this side of Willie Mays Hayes. He may have looked athletic but time and time again, didn't make the plays. Cal Ripken was a tremendous defensive SS in his prime and the contrast between him and Jeter in the field was startling. Ripken had like 3x Jeter's range. Pete Incaviglia in RF I second that one. He was awful.
Most of these guys didn't have much of a defensive rep coming up from the minors, but Dante Bichette was a late inning defensive replacement for Reggie Jackson for his first few seasons with the Angels.
Several very large former baseball players were poor fielders. Adam Dunn was one of them. In his worst fielding individual season he had a defensive WAR of -5.2. I'm sure that there are worse but that's truly awful.
While his career numbers may not say worst fielder ever, Melky Cabrera made one of the worst throws I have ever seen. He spent one season in Atlanta and was atrocious at the plate already, so then one game he has to throw a ball that went over his head and bounced off the wall. Instead of heading towards home plate, Cabrera managed to throw the ball into RF.
13:26 How can you discusss horrible LF defense by the green monster without even a casual Manny Ramirez mention? That 1998 ALCS costing error Manny made in RF for Cleveland is still one of the absolute worst and most ridiculous errors Ive ever seen and Im a fan of Manny overall. Even Manny being Manny and his later hilarious antics on a curse breaking Red Sox team can't come close to redeeming that ALCS error in game 6 on that Jeter triple. I can't watch that too this day without hurting for Cleveland fans who had to watch that live and swallow that entire decade of dominance without a single ring to show for it. It's one thing when you get beat by clutch hitting or a bad bounce/luck... it's another thing when you get beat on a play as insanely dumb and head scratching as that. Cant help but question the numbers a bit when they make Jeter out as the worst defensive player and somehow leave Manny Ramirez out of the conversation
I love how this video was clearly prepared before really taking a deep dive on the season stats. Nicky was the only qualified fielder this year without a single error lol
Ryan Braun and Ryan Howard get a mention, but the worst fielding Ryan of them all does not...Nolan Ryan was the worst fielding pitcher of all time, very likely by far. As great at Ryan was at striking batters out and inducing poor contact, he was an atrocious fielder, with an error rate so far above and an assist rate so far below his contemporaries it is almost difficult to believe. For example, compared to his contemporary Steve Carlton, Ryan committed 48 more errors and had over 170 fewer assists in a similar number of innings. And if we consider holding baserunners on and preventing stolen bases as defense, Ryan was likely the worst in history at that as well.
@@Gnar_Dogg the best part iirc A-rod was the best offensive and defensive SS the year before he went to the Yankees. thankfully Jeter was a diva or the Yankee fans would be even more insufferable
I need a clip on what trauma occurred in your life that makes you end sentences as if you’re trying to ask a question and declare a statement at the same time.
I'm all aboard the "derek jeter is a much worse defender than we realized" train but this is taking it to a level that's way too far lol: 1. Defensive stats are not as solidified as you make them out to be. Defenders that DRS hates often end up being OAA darlings -- we're just not at a level of certainty where we can say his DRS numbers truly mean he was one of the worst shortstops of his era 2. His DRS would likely be better earlier in his career, when he's younger and faster. We can't just assume he'd be accumulating more negative DRS in the years we don't have the stats for. It's actually just as likely the opposite: DRS *only existed* once the age curve started to hit him. 3. Plenty of worse shortstops just never got the playing time bc they werent consistent hitters. DRS is a counting stat, so playing below average defense for 20 years is gonna make his DRS look way worse than it actually is. You acknowledge that playing time is why he was allowed to rack up bad defensive stats, but it what you're missing is that it's also part of the reason why he tops any of these lists to begin with.
Saying an error is the same as fouls in basketball makes no sense. Errors are usually very costly to the team and don't happenthat often. Fouls are extremely common. Most guys on the floor have multiple fouls per game and they generally are not very impactful.
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Why don't you attempt to be original by not featuring a Yankees player in the thumbnail? Is that even possible for you? At least in any "worst" category. It's okay though, the HOF voters disagree. Calling his defense "subpar" is debatable but I can respect the opinion. Calling him the worst defensive player of all time? It's not merely absurd it's next-level/industrial strength hyperbole.
You missed perhaps the worst defensive player of all-time: Adam Dunn.
Over a six-year span, he had -136 DRS and his career total is -162. His career dWAR was -28.4 despite fewer than 8,300 PAs.
Love Adam Dunn.
SS, CF, C, and 3rd are the only positions that really make a noticable diff with defense. I still rather have an elite hitter whos avg or slightly below average at defense than an elite defender that sux at hitting.
I was thinking the same thing. I was hoping for an explanation of -5.2 dWar in one season. I just don't understand how that's even possible.
@@robotbro7187yep. Look at Jason Heyward lol. Cubs spent a fortune on that dude and he still can't hit to this day 😂
Yeah Adam Dunn, yet Jeter is number one. Played 150 games a year for all but 2 years and missed the playoffs once. Drs and UZR credit nothing g for durability or pressure packed environments.
Its crazy how people still value errors when Castellanos didn't register a single one in 148 games
they score a lot less errors nowadays as well so you have a point
You have to be able to get to the ball in order to commit an error!
Nothing was an error this year lol
He also had a few defensive plays in last years postseason run that legitimately saved games
@@JonathanBreYeah, those turtle slides were clutch af
The only thing keeping Raul Ibanez out of this video is the fact he wasn't a full time player until he was 29. His adventures in LF were like snuff films that generated dozens of all-time great gifs. The lawn dart is still my favorite.
Seattle was Smart and had Defensive Center Fielders and Ichiro to compensate. They'd shift Center over to cover half of Left Field for him with Defensive Wizards like Adrian Beltre and Jack Wilson/Yuniesky Betancourt expanding the Infield into the short portion of Left Field.
Unfortunately, that's where Seattle's Intelligence Ended as they also thought Richie Sexton and Russel Branyon were Power Hitters to build around during that period.
I remember watching prince fielder hit an inside the park home run. That was magical.
Were you at the game our watching on TV?
I remember seeing that on the highlights
Damn 😅😅
Back in the 80's or 90's when the Dodgers had Pedro Guerro at 3rd, Mariano Duncan at short, Steve Sax at 2nd and Mike Marshall at first, was one of the worst fielding infields of all time. So there is a story where Tommy Lasorda is having a team meeting and he says "Pedro, bottom of the 9th, tying run on 3rd, two outs what are you thinking ." Guerrro responds saying "I am thinking 2 things coach, please to not hit the ball to me." Lasorda ask what is the other thing he is thinking "Dear God, don't let them hit the ball to Sax."
Hilarious! I remember that team. I always wondered how in the world was Duncana a pro SHORTSTOP!
Lol, how did Pedro not even make it to the honorable mentions list? East coast bias? I clicked on this fully expecting to see him muffing a ground ball, dropping a throw, or airmailing one to the wrong base.
Ah baseball, where getting a hit 3 out of 10 times makes you elite, but fielding 96% of balls makes you terrible
I never, ever understood that. 96% fielding horrible!
Why at the end of every sentence does it sound like youre going up a note?
I was losing my mind after 1 minute of listening to him ngl
Same. He needs to cut down on that.
Trying to sound .. important? Smart? Idk what it is, lmao. But he's a good creator, he doesn't need to do any of that extra shit.. we enjoy the content, just be real! Nobody talks like that in real life 😂 I refuse to believe it
I don't know what you're talking ABOUT.
The cadence and inflection isn't repetitive AT ALL.
In no way is it incredibly DISTRACTING.
I make the same comment on all his VIDEOS.
It’s incredibly FRUSTRATING because his content is otherwise GOOD.
I still think Jeter would have been league average or better at 3rd base. Range doesn't matter as much there and that was his issue. He handled the plays he could get to at a very high rate and had an excellent arm. All these years later, I still can't believe the Yankees moved ARod off SS for Jeter. It's not like tons of people hadn't already been pointing this out.
Because Jeter had already proved himself at that point at SS. Plus the fanbase would have revolted if they moved DJ
@a_coleman11 Many fans and commentators were already well aware that Jeter was a shit SS and called it out at the time. It wasn't the fans who would have been upset, it was Jeter.
I felt that Jeter should have been made 2b, ARod kept at short, and Cano should have been brought up as a 3b, optimal infield for that group
Then if u think of it, part of the reason they signed tex was to have a good fielder for jeter at short, they don’t sigh tex, they have the pick for Trout, they sign manny ramirez for the ‘09 season and move swisher to 1st with an outfield/dh bench: Damon, cabrera Gardner, Ramirez/Matsui
Arod shoulda gone to the Sox
Castellanos has drastically improved his defense and has been a very solid right fielder in Philly
Definitely it’s because of the work he put in and the Phillies moving him to where he always comes in and to his glove side where he is his best
if you look at his advanced metrics, it shows him as an awful an RF still lol. Thats why is overall war is so bad. I disagree with that though, hes a lot more valuable than his war says, defensive metrics are too heavily counted towards or against a players value. I'd rather have a player like him than someone who can't hit a lick but plays amazing RF
@@robotbro7187 I suspect that's why Johan Rojas has been so important for the Phillies in CF. His speed and glove allow him to effectively shrink Castellano's field responsibility taking away a lot of dropped balls
@@richardm123 yeah true, rojas should be a solid hitter too, at least when it comes to avg, so the phillies will be able to keep him a full time starter, which will make him even more valuable to the phillies
@@tjboylan20Putting in the work is great. But it doesn't erase the past either. I mean, look at these routes.
Tommy Lasorda once asked Guerrero what is he thinking about when he in the field. His answer was “I hope that he doesn’t hit the ball to me.” Flabbergasted by his answer Lasorda asked a follow-up question “what else are you thinking about? I” “I hope they don’t hit it to Sax. “😊
As a Mets fan I watched Sheffield play most of a season in left. I'm not kidding; there must have been at least 30 flyballs that fell to earth in front of him that were scored as hits that season, as he NEVER attempted to make a play where he had to make any quick-twitch moves ...
Tbf, wasn’t he 40 or so at that point? In his “prime” he would have let only 20 of those fly balls drop! 😂
I used to call him steroid hands….😂
The Texas Rangers once had a clubhouse award called the Iron Skillet which went to the player who had the worst defensive blunders each week. The story goes that the iron skillet spent one entire season in Pete Incaviglia's locker.
Great video - if nothing else it makes one appreciate even more the players you highlighted in the beginning (B Robinson, Clemente, O Smith etc.). Reggie Jackson in his Yankee years was considered hilarious in the outfield. After the "Reggie Bar" candy bar came out, a NY sports reporter said it wasn't needed as there was already a bar named for Jackson. It is called "Butterfingers."
Reggie was a good defender in Oakland. He completely stunk in New York.
🍫 great joke I*ll remember that one
You end every sentence with the same inflection on your voice. You have to change that it’s brutal
I'm surprised to not see Adam Dunn. Granted he was only a part time fielder, and for a reason.
Love Adam Dunn.
@@nobeardthepirate9172 He was an interesting player. But at best an apathetic defender.
@@BishjamIC He didn't get payed to play defense he got paid to hit homeruns and strike out, and he did historic levels of both. 38th and 3rd all time respectively, or in other words he is Reggie Jackson
@@nobeardthepirate9172 Fair point. But it doesn't detract from my point that he was an apathetic defender.
@@BishjamIC it wasn't meant to.
Anyone who watched that last two game performance of the NLDS by Castellanos knows why the phillies play him.
Hint: first player ever with back-to-back multi homerun games in the playoffs
He’s always good for a home run when someone has to apologize on air for offensive slurs or an announcement of a legend passing away. Always play Casty if Thom Brennaman has to apologize for something he said.
To everyone talking about how Castellanos has no errors this year fails to realize that he doesn’t have any errors because he doesn’t get to a lot of balls, so they aren’t considered errors cause he doesn’t even get a glove on them.
I love Casty, but he’s no Willie Mays out there. The defense is better in Philly, but exceptional.
Castellanos hasn't had an error in the last THREE years........and he has an excellent arm.
He's terrible at reading the ball off the bat. Hard to get to the ball when you constantly make bad reads.
@@charleskraExactly, that just proves we value errors too much when we analyze defense. Just because he hasn't recorded errors doesnt mean he isn't a bad defender. He struggles to get to the ball consistently and that leads to runs scoring. He won't get an error if he isn't close to the ball. Lucky for Nick he is a great batter.
Not sure you’ll read or care, but you end almost every sentence with intonation rather than using it for more impactful statements, causing the dialogue to have a very rhythmic quality and not allowing the more interesting facts to stand out.
I enjoyed this VIDEO! I like how you take on sacred cows like Derek JETER and use advanced metrics to defend your ARGUMENTS! And after a while I got hypnotized by the rhythm of your patter, how you emphasize the last word of each SENTENCE!
I'm not sure why, but this is probably my favorite video that you've made. Perhaps I've just had a rough day, but this was incredibly interesting. I don't think we spend anywhere near enough time looking at what players are doing on defense. I remember being a HUGE fan of Jeter and Sheffield. I knew they weren't fielders, but I had no idea they were that bad. It all makes sense, though, if you saw them in their prime. Everyone thought Sheffield was going to be the next boy wonder.
Thank you for not being like most delusional Jeter fans who refuse to accept the fact that Jeter is one of the worst defenders ever.
@@pepsgaming2691the real thing is that jeters best defensive years aren’t counted in his stats. He’s massive for the position and played consistently, through injury, in a constantly pressure packed environment, in the biggest city in the world. Thinking that the numbers count enough to call him the worst defender of all time is laughable. He managed games, you’d have to have watched his career live to understand that. The argument that he’s this defensive abomination is simply not true. Lacks so much context.
Unfortunately UZR and DRS are useless before the use of tech to pinpoint players and the ball's positioning. Michael Humphreys published articles about it and has a book detailing how a very good player can be penalized because even though he can have good range up until very recently there were people deciding where the play was made either live in stadiums or using precarious videos.
People from BIS are on record saying "the concerns raised by Michael Humphreys and others may have some validity, especially when using data from earlier years with estimated hit locations. However, as technology and video feeds have improved, so has our data quality."
How bad could it get? "any hit location was better than no hit location; therefore we plotted the hit locations based on the descriptions available to use, even if that was just a radio broadcast." Even though they go on to say that 6-8% of plays had no video and thus relied on radio or any description whatsoever lets keep in mind that you shouldn't be giving a score to plays based solely on what you imagined happened because even today not every play shows how much the fielder covered.
It is quite interesting too that Pedroia was rewarded by rolling in the ground to get to the ball while a rangier second baseman like Canó was penalized for having more range, a better fielding technique AND arm, Canó fielded almost every ball standing up while Pedroia was out of the play in the ground after releasing his throw. It is not surprise thus that also Jeter was penalized because scorers employed by Bill James tended to score plays where he covered a lot of ground as "easy plays" while balls that were hit to a SS that was already shifted were deemed as harder plays because when the TV cut to the SS fielding it appeared as if he moved from SS, which was a lie: shifted infielders usually got better ratings, back in the day not shifting was criticized from Jeter, when he employed the shift the system scored him better but the amount of plays he made were less, thus he returned to fielding as always, people often use videos of Jeter's blunders from late in his career to try and confirm UZR and DRS biases from earlier in his career whom already had spent 8 seasons at SS in the majors.
It might not come as a surprise that players from the team that employs Bill James were routinarily rated better, so much that he tweaked the scoring system to avoid penalizing left fielders when the ball hit the fenway left field wall 20+ ft above ground level, Manny Ramírez was after all being penalized before that.
Cano never had any range. He had very strong arm. He finished slightly above average per inning but below average per game at 2b. So depending on what metric you want to use. He was slightly above average or slightly below average.
You didn’t even mention that Hanley ruined Kershaws perfect game with an error 😭
I know people don't really care, for the most part, about anybody who played before they were born, or before they became aware of baseball. But a player that should be mentioned here would be Dick Stuart. Stuart was a hulking first baseman who could hit a ball a mile, but he wasn't called 'Dr. Strangeglove' for nothing. He played from 1958 until 1969 mostly playing for the Pirates & Red Sox. He received MVP votes 3 times, but certainly not for the leather....
LOL.....I'm old enough to remember Stuart!.....To call him a butcher in the field really is insulting to real butchers in every meat dept.!
Like a Dave Kingman type
@@yankees29 Haha....That man had some hurricane force swings, sometimes they hit the ball
Calling Derek Jeter the worst defensive fielder ever is the same as calling Brett Favre the most inaccurate passer ever. Even your caveat re: accumulation isn’t enough. DWar had a defensive adjustment baked in.
It’s the accumulation and aggregate totals of those specific stats cited that result in high totals stemming from the logical reasoning you include that got us here - which I 100% agree with. DRS is a measure that benchmarks other SS. Of course that looks worse for Jeter. He wasn’t even the best SS on his team for a chunk of his career.
He indeed had terrible range BUT can you deny he had good hands? Just a slight statistical headwind on defensive categories compensated for others, as you said.
Jeter was fine if you hit the ball to him.
Favre on the other hand turned the ball over too much, especially in clutch time when he didn’t need to be a hero. Which is why he only won one superbowl.
because he was bad, just like that
Dude what a hot start to the video. I knew jeter would be here but not the very first guy LOL. Your cadence is also incredible you’re my new favorite channel
Petition to have Jeter removed from the Hall and to ban NY sports journalism
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@@SakAttack87 What other member of the 3,000 hit club is NOT in the HOF? Derek Jeter could have been a DH his entire career and would still be in the HOF, and I am not a big Jeter fan.
Why does your voice rise at the end of sentences
Lol true good callout
It’s intentional, subliminally draws you in to what he’s saying, check out some other video essay UA-camrs and you’ll hear the same thing
I produce news locally and anchors on the news usually start off higher but when they get thrown off they go lower.
This video demonstrates why the very thought of Jeter being a unanimous HOF selection almost put me in the hospital. Thankfully, a voter realized that Jeter's position required both offense and defense.
What? No Pete Incavelia? I watched him commit three errors on the same play-dropped ball,
booted ball, threw ball into stands. Rangers fans had a joke, "What do Michael Jackson and
Pete Incavelia have in common? They both wear gloves on their left hand for no apparent reason."
You mentioned Castellanos but forgot to mention the guy on the same team who’s taking the DH spot ahead of him… where Schwarbomb
What song you use during the castellanos segment?
The day the Red Sox signed Hanley Ramirez was the day I realized the the Red Sox enjoy having a guy in Left Field named “Ramirez” who is not as good as everyone thinks he is.
Literally every sentence, you end with a strong inflection on the last syllable. I cannot watch this video haha
Imagine having "Fielder" in your name and being a bad fielder
Nick Castellanos played good right filed for Phillies past two years. He made several big plays out there. Phillies help him get better in field
Castellanos in Detroit and Cincinnati: below average
Castellanos in Philly: gold glove
When you brought up Hanley, it reminded me this dummy caused Kershaw a perfect game and once he dropped a liner so he could get a double play knowing the whole world was watching him..he was good with the bat, but second hand embarrassment with his defense..glad we sent him to Boston 🤣
Jeter was actually an above average SS in the late 90’s and the early 2000’s but his defense regressed very quickly and they would have benefited from making him the DH and A-Rod the SS. Jeter had already established himself as a clutch hitter but if you look at the defensive highlights of Jeter and A-Rod at SS it’s clear A-Rod is better.
His total zone values are all really bad in the late 90s and early 2000s too. I think he just did not have the range to be an okay shortstop.
A rod shouldn't have been on the Yankees at all as he was hot garbage
He was out there as long as he was because of Steinbrenner.
@kendallevans4079 he won 5 titles, I don't care what little stats say. He accomplished something that is rare. He also has the 4th most homeruns in playoff history. If he played dh maybe his hitting would get worse. At the end of the day Jeter is the best short stop of all time
After 2000 he was last or second to last at SS in RF. He should have been on the corners but the Yankees were winning so much you could hide him. Once 2010 rolled around you could see how bad defensively he was at SS. Because the yanks stopped winning every year.
Every time I see video jeter fielding I'm reminded of the onion headline Derek jeter able to make easy play look hard once again
Castellanos had 0 errors this year wtf
It's says MLB History, read then react.
He also had -7 oaa
😂29 ppl are dummies
You have to get to the ball to make an error.
Jeter should have played 2B, 3B, or LF. He would have been far more valuable by allowing himself to play where he belonged.
NO
Finally someone to finally speak out on Derek Jeter being sub-par at defense. Jeter is a generational player, we all agree on that. However, his defense was not a hair above average if even that.
It also doesn’t help that Jeter played in a time when Shortstop was full of defensive superstar Shortstops. Barry Larkin, Jimmie Rollins, Ozzie Smith (for a year or so), Edgar Renteria, Nomar Garciaparra….I mean the list goes on. Those are all legendary names. Hard to compete with that.
Jeter made clutch plays. He rarely booted a ball in a clutch situation. He did all that was asked of him. Pitchers said they never worried when a ball was hit to short, especially in the late innings.
They only said that because they knew they'd be traded if they told the truth.
@@SimonFoster23111971 And you know that for a fact?
@@davidfeinberg7829 Historically the worst SS in MLB history (and refused to play any other position in 2674 games apart from the 73 games at DH). Cost the Club at least 2 WS wins (played Gonzalez too shallow in Game 7 of the 01 WS. Booted a groundball in Game 6 from Jeff Conine in the 03 WS).
If he held enough power over the Club for a better SS than him to play 3B, then you can bet that they were told "don't say anything about The Captain".
@@SimonFoster23111971 Torre wanted the infield in because Mariano might give up a weak grounder. He was playing where he was told. I get it, you didn’t like a guy who was as good a player one could find. Your opinion really doesn’t matter to Jeter. He made millions, won 5 rings and was 1 vote shy of unanimous election to the Hall of Fame. Sure, you matter.
@@davidfeinberg7829 With one out and loaded bases, you get a Ground Ball and try for the Double Play, which means that he was out of position. Jeter sucked as a SS. There again, you're a homer for the Stripes, so why am I surprised that you throw someone else apart from you puppetmaster under the bus?
I think it is worth noting- Castellanos was much improved this past season. By no means was he good or even maybe average, but the analytics team in Philly really figured out where to position him to get the most out of what little defensive talent he has to bring him to probably just “below average” rather than “shockingly and historically terrible” to be frank as a fan I’d rather see Nick out there than Schwarber any day
Cecil Fielder's dWAR was almost certainly lower *because* he spent time at DH, not in spite of it. The positional adjustment for dWAR gives a huge hit to DH that you have to be really, really bad at your position to cancel out. Looking at his baseball reference page, Cecil was worth -28 fielding runs over his 13 seasons, compared to -98 positional adjustment runs. On a rate basis, the combination of fielding and positional runs as a 1B is still better than the positional runs solely as a DH.
But, maybe he would have gotten worse as a 1B if he'd been allowed to play more. Hard to say, since it didn't happen that way.
So happy to see derek jeter on here
Why
@@sir.muffiniii7011i assume because of his extremely overrated status as a fielder due to him being a lifelong Yankee and the media cock riding him into ridiculous awards he won despite being statistically awful
@@sir.muffiniii7011bc jeters defense was ass but not many people talk about it bc offensively he was amazing
@@boltzsnipez5385 oh I thought he meant that he hated jeter or something
@@sir.muffiniii7011nah. i think he was just talking about how many people realize jeter wasn’t good defensively
I heard Babe Herman was so bad his managers would yell at his team mates for making fun of him!😅😊
This should be retitled, "Some of the worst fielders since the early 1990s," since I didn't see anyone mentioned whose career mainly took place before then. At least two more Ramirezes should have been mentioned: Manny, and '70s utility infielder Ted. As examples of how deceptive statistics can be, Greg Luzinski was the worst outfielder I ever saw, but he led the NL in fielding percentage for outfielders in 1973 (.993). Zeke Bonura was notorious for his immobility at first base, but he led the AL in fielding percentage in 1938 (.993).
let us not forget Lonnie Smith. One of the better, if insulting, nicknames in sports history. Skates looked like he was playing outfield on ice.
Giambi was safe on the Jeter flip play
Well this video was enlightening. I didn’t watch much Jeter or Yankees. But was under the impression he was a great all round athlete hence HOF. So this is interesting.
Having nick castellanos front and center is diabolical. Dude never makes errors
Castellanos didn't record an error last 2 seasons. Good enough for me, Rojas covers so much ground it makes up for it! Go Phillies.
Imagine still valuing errors😂😂
@@ThatBoyKlink lmao. he cranked 2 homers off of Strider to advances to NLCS. I wouldn't trade him for anyone atm.
Willie Mays was a failed short stop too!😮 " man the ball moves to fast man!" ❤# 24 forever!😅
The worst fielders are the full-time Designated Hitters who never put on a glove.
Pedro Alvarez with Pirates was terrible at fielding 1st base. I was right behind 1st base dugout for a game and he mightve only had 1 error but at least 3 other times bobbled a ball
Kevin was an absolute pleasure to watch in CF! Between KK, Varsho, and Springer, I felt like we got to see a fantastic defense play out there every night.
Casty has been surprisingly good at right field for us the last two years. I think he’s only made 1 error in that time
I love my Yankees and grew up watching the Captain. But I have had multiple arguments with fellow Yanks fans that it was a CRIME to trade for ARod and stick him at 3rd.
Hi I'm a newer viewer, loving the videos that I've seen. Genuinely, I mean it. You pick good talking points and talk about them well. Keep it up... but it's gonna bother me if I don't say this, which I entirely mean as constructive criticism.
You have the *exact* same cadence in almost every single sentence you say and it drives me insane lol. Emphasis on the last word; and every sentence/phrase alternates on *how* emphasized it is. Pls diversify your speech patterns I beg you haha.
If it helps, put your vids on 2x speed and listen back. It's incredibly repetitive. (again, love the videos outside of this particular aspect I'm so sorry)
The worst fielding 3B I ever saw was Mark Reynolds. He wasn't allowed to stay there too long though.
The Jeter apologists...Jeter didn't have range and was the world's best false hustler in the field this side of Willie Mays Hayes. He may have looked athletic but time and time again, didn't make the plays. Cal Ripken was a tremendous defensive SS in his prime and the contrast between him and Jeter in the field was startling.
Ripken had like 3x Jeter's range.
Pete Incaviglia in RF I second that one. He was awful.
And I thought Prince Fielder might be the Prince of Fielding or something. Pretty deceptive name.
Most of these guys didn't have much of a defensive rep coming up from the minors, but Dante Bichette was a late inning defensive replacement for Reggie Jackson for his first few seasons with the Angels.
I like to say that when I played as a young man I could play any position on the field but none of them well. I once lost a ground ball in the sun
Moral of the story…every shortstop is better than jeter ..oh wait
Several very large former baseball players were poor fielders. Adam Dunn was one of them. In his worst fielding individual season he had a defensive WAR of -5.2. I'm sure that there are worse but that's truly awful.
This man trying to ruin my entire childhood putting Jeter on this list. lol.
Wow, as a new fan, all this talk about how Jeter is one of the greatest to do it, but was statistically bad at defense surprised me.
The best part of Sheffield? Trying to later tell people he made errors on purpose to force a trade out of Milwaukee.....😂😂😂
While his career numbers may not say worst fielder ever, Melky Cabrera made one of the worst throws I have ever seen. He spent one season in Atlanta and was atrocious at the plate already, so then one game he has to throw a ball that went over his head and bounced off the wall. Instead of heading towards home plate, Cabrera managed to throw the ball into RF.
10:19
best one imo 👌🏼😆
It's funny how Manny Ramirez isn't even mentioned
Right! Why does that guy have a spell on the media and sportscasters?
Just click bait because Casty is the hottest hitter in the postseason right now
Ironic how two men named "Fielder" would only be known best for the batting skills.
0:28 this is comically bad - how does he lose balance 7 different ways?!
I love how 3 of your top 5 wore a tigers jersey at some point
and yet we STILL see so many players commit errors that aren't registered as such by the Official Scorer ...
Love how 3 of the first 4 players were all on the tigers at some point lol
Watching most MLB pitchers field is as painful as having watched them bunt! Horrible!😮
A 9 year 💰 214 million contract for fielder is exorbitant. MASSIVE OVERPAYMENT that boras came up with
11:46 amazing segway. #5 hitting to #4
" I'm not good at throwing."
Jason giambi on why he over threw 2nd base.
13:26 How can you discusss horrible LF defense by the green monster without even a casual Manny Ramirez mention? That 1998 ALCS costing error Manny made in RF for Cleveland is still one of the absolute worst and most ridiculous errors Ive ever seen and Im a fan of Manny overall. Even Manny being Manny and his later hilarious antics on a curse breaking Red Sox team can't come close to redeeming that ALCS error in game 6 on that Jeter triple. I can't watch that too this day without hurting for Cleveland fans who had to watch that live and swallow that entire decade of dominance without a single ring to show for it. It's one thing when you get beat by clutch hitting or a bad bounce/luck... it's another thing when you get beat on a play as insanely dumb and head scratching as that. Cant help but question the numbers a bit when they make Jeter out as the worst defensive player and somehow leave Manny Ramirez out of the conversation
I watched Hanley Ramirez play SS for the Dodgers in 2014 and lost count of how many crooked throws he made to first base.
Didn't he blow what should have been a perfect game for Kershaw?
@aaroncook2052 he sure did.
I love how this video was clearly prepared before really taking a deep dive on the season stats. Nicky was the only qualified fielder this year without a single error lol
Ryan Braun and Ryan Howard get a mention, but the worst fielding Ryan of them all does not...Nolan Ryan was the worst fielding pitcher of all time, very likely by far. As great at Ryan was at striking batters out and inducing poor contact, he was an atrocious fielder, with an error rate so far above and an assist rate so far below his contemporaries it is almost difficult to believe. For example, compared to his contemporary Steve Carlton, Ryan committed 48 more errors and had over 170 fewer assists in a similar number of innings. And if we consider holding baserunners on and preventing stolen bases as defense, Ryan was likely the worst in history at that as well.
If Bichette had been even just below average defender he probably would have won at least 1 MVP award. 😊
What position do you play?
I could be wrong but didn’t Derek Jeter refuse to move from SS when they had a prospect in the system? I think I saw that somewhere at some point
Iirc it was A-Rod they wanted at SS but Jeter didn't want to move to 3rd so A-Rod had to do it.
@@Gnar_Dogg the best part iirc A-rod was the best offensive and defensive SS the year before he went to the Yankees. thankfully Jeter was a diva or the Yankee fans would be even more insufferable
@@Gnar_Dogg ah, yes. That’s what it was
I need a clip on what trauma occurred in your life that makes you end sentences as if you’re trying to ask a question and declare a statement at the same time.
Luv ur vids mtc
Let me correct you. There's no comparison between a basketball foul and a MLB error.
I need to watch Jeter make a routine play after watching this video 😂
"The single worst defensive player" doesn't play Shortstop. Full stop.
Everyone: jEtEr Is ThE gOaT 🤡
Literally the worst defensive fielder in the HOF
Defense doesn’t matter when it comes to hall of fame
Jeter having 5 Gold Gloves, Ripken 2 is a crock of 🐎 💩
I'm all aboard the "derek jeter is a much worse defender than we realized" train but this is taking it to a level that's way too far lol:
1. Defensive stats are not as solidified as you make them out to be. Defenders that DRS hates often end up being OAA darlings -- we're just not at a level of certainty where we can say his DRS numbers truly mean he was one of the worst shortstops of his era
2. His DRS would likely be better earlier in his career, when he's younger and faster. We can't just assume he'd be accumulating more negative DRS in the years we don't have the stats for. It's actually just as likely the opposite: DRS *only existed* once the age curve started to hit him.
3. Plenty of worse shortstops just never got the playing time bc they werent consistent hitters. DRS is a counting stat, so playing below average defense for 20 years is gonna make his DRS look way worse than it actually is. You acknowledge that playing time is why he was allowed to rack up bad defensive stats, but it what you're missing is that it's also part of the reason why he tops any of these lists to begin with.
Saying an error is the same as fouls in basketball makes no sense. Errors are usually very costly to the team and don't happenthat often. Fouls are extremely common. Most guys on the floor have multiple fouls per game and they generally are not very impactful.
Baseball has the best stats. Great video.