sunday-ing has never been so refreshing before...I just heard my wife saying this to my 5 year old, "papa is listening to shumi and karthikey, dont go there"....wow thats a gradual change in the atmosphere....elated!!
I just wanna say there is no channel (internationally) that can compete with you right now. The sleekness, freshness, calmness and the knowledge..ness!? of this channel is unparallel.
This is the best way to review a motorcycle. Never have i ever paid this much attention to a conversation about a motorcycle review. You guys make me feel more interested in motorcycling all together. Thank you so much Shumi and Karthikeya and all the people who were involved in making MotorInc a reality.
Mysore, Karnataka (where I'm from) was home to the Ideal Jawa Factory, which made Jawa and Yezdi in the 60s and 70s. Its founder, F K Irani, a true giant of a man, started the Ideal Jawa Rotary school along with his wife, which was one of the finest private schools in Mysore (where I studied), with many teachers from the Anglo-Indian community. They also gave admission to many children from poor families and never discriminated. When the factory was shut down, many mechanics from the factory started their own shops/garages. To this day, vintage Jawa rides are organized, and as an ode to the founder and factory, it passes along the route where the factory was located. Ironically, when the new Jawa opened their showroom in my city around 2 years ago, and to this day in their marketing, they LEAVE OUT this vital piece of history. Mysore is a student city with many educational institutions for Bachelors and Master's, hardly any college-going kid is seen with a Jawa. It's always a KTM or Royal Enfield. Maybe, as you said, they were so focused on benchmarking, that they forgot its heritage origins and what could have been one of its biggest markets.
Thinking about what Karthikeya said about how Jawa and RE are two different riding experences, the benchmarking thing makes a lot of sense now because I own a Jawa Classic and the only reason I bought that bike is because I am not a fan of the RE philosophy of a laid-back riding. I always wanted my bike to look classic, but be engaging and fast. And while Jawa failed at other things, they provided this riding experience and this riding philosophy. Another thing that I would highlight is that the Jawa is a good touring and highway machine. Because on highways where the traffic is less, there is less gear shifts so the riding experience improves, the roads are better than the city so the suspension becomes a lot more forgiving and accomodating and you are able to do speeds of 80-90 which is your limit for Indian highways. I have done a lot of highway rides on my Jawa and I think this is one thing that is not talked about a lot. Yes, there have been problems, but it isn't like everything has been bad. There has been some good stuff as well that has been completely masked by poor quality and service.
Same for me, I liked RE classic 350 from the start but didn't buy it because of the lack of power, I knew I will grow out of it very soon, but when jawa showroom opened in my city I experienced ktm and royal Enfield at the same time and bought it and I'm not disappointed, yes flaws are there but they don't come in my way of enjoying the ride
@@vijaysinghr988 Exactly. Internet can be deceiving as it likes to paint a black and white picture. But in real-life, things are nuanced. It is not like something is entirely great or entirely bad.
Good to see Jawa is working hard. People need options other than Royal Enfields (I never liked REs). Lets hope Yezdi also comes up. My father bought a Yezdi in the late 80s and I remember me, my brother, my mom and dad riding the yedzi together. It was a great bike. Never gave any problems whatsoever. Hopefully, exciting times ahead.
This segment feels like an honest heart to heart discussion. It's not just about the spec sheet and that's what I love about such discussions. You guys convey what most should without sounding like a top gear show.
Thank you so much Bhavsar! We did plan MotorInc First as how Kartikeya and Shumi would discuss things after they returned from a media preview and often the discussion would diverge into context, history, technology, brand challenges and other aspects. It was how vibrant that conversation was that led to MotorInc First and we're glad you're enjoying it thoroughly!
Mahindra did themselves wrong, in my personal opinion they shouldn't have purchased 3 classic brands as they are only focusing one brand and then after words shifting to another. They could never beat Royal Enfield or norton in future.
And not to forget Indian and foreign brands alike want piece of cake in retro motorcycle market, I'm loving the competition by Triumph, mavrick, Ronin etc.
Actually wanted to share this with you guys. I own a yezdi adventure. Its been with me for 2 years now and ive done around 38000 kms and it has been really amazing. For 1 st three months i had the DB killer but after that i removed it and since then it has been a whole different feeling. The bike became smooth and felt like it got faster. The bike became amazing after that. After 1st one month of riding i had front fork oil seal leak and the service guys took 3 months to replace those as the spare wasnt available. After about 6 months the bike had engine oil leakage and the head was completely opened and repaired. Since then I've never faced any problem with my bike. It runs amazingly well. It's fast but sometimes does feel slow at Highway speeds. Upto 6k rpm the bike is smooth but after that the engine clatter becomes very prominent. But I'm used to it now. Now the bike seems to be ageing and i feel the rear is becoming a bit unsettling and the rear of the bike is bottoming out but rear mono shocks aren't available. And its really scary. Ive had an amazing time on this bike. And i hope to munch more miles on this. Just hope that the spares will be available. Many people complain about the bikes but maybe my fate was good. And i got an amazing bike.
@@dr.ranadhishrajan2797 reminds me of my 2016 Bullet500. 200km into my first Ladakh trip the exhaust fell off. Another 500 km later the carb started spewing fuel. All this on a brand new bike which had just gotten 1st service.. That was it..I had 8-9 yrs unperturbed riding on it since. Let go of it last week..to make place (in my head) for new Scrambler 400x
It's come to the point that whenever there is a new launch of a bike, scooter or car, I don't watch any reviews no matter how early they are, I wait for the MotorInc First.
The whole section of "Where does Jawa go next?" is so insightful. The way TVS approaches segments, evolution of motorcycle and it all shows how deep this field is. Its Not only limited to reviewing a product infront of you but understanding the brand and the psychology and what not. Found it super insightful. Will definitely come back to listen to how various things were explained and simplified.
What Shumi says about a smaller business being obsessed with the market leader is so on point. I run an SME and it immediately struck a chord with me. It these things that Shuni says every now amd then, which is pure wisdom even outside the automotive context that makes this Channel great.
I recently bought a Yezdi Roadster. I simply fell in love during the test drive, and chose it over 350 Meteor. It nice to see Jawa/Yezdi being covered.
I think the 300-350cc class is getting crowded now, I am not sure how many more retro classic bikes we need, I feel like the manufacturers should move to a bit bigger capacity engine now, something which is relatively unexplored, maybe 500s?
"My first motorcycle was a 1977 D 250 Yezdi Classic. Even then, I had always longed to own a Yezdi Road King, which was only available for purchase in foreign currency. Even now, a 650 twin Yezdi Road King would be a most welcome addition!"
I know Jawa like I know my house. Not a boast but the town I've been born and brought up in, I used to see the old legends like Rajdut, Diesel Bullet and yes, older 42 Jawa 350 (possibly 1955 series). The owner of that Jawa was my friend's great grandfather. That motorcycle has passed down his family's generation and I was lucky enough to ride it once and I must say, riding THAT and the current Jawa during 2022 when I was looking to purchase my first 300CC+ bike, there's a big difference. I took test ride of all available Jawas and Royal Enfields since these motorcycles I've grown around. I thoroughly enjoyed the new 334CC engine but by large, the finish levels were all over the place, I even saw rusting happening near the header of new unit sitting in display in the dealership. I was very disappointed noticing the, "then" situation Jawa. Later I took test rides of a lot of different "types" of motorcycles and ended up with TVS Apache RR 310 (BTO) and I couldn't be more happy. Although looking at Jawa going in correct direction and hearing their customers and complaints and working on it makes me really happy. The current state and stance of Jawa is looking hopeful. Makes the kid inside me happy. I'm also excited to see BSA Goldstar come to India, "properly". Great podcast guys. Thank you so much for bringing this to us. ❤️❤️ Always love seeing Shumi and Karthikeyan discuss.
Firstly for me, It's becoming more and more a tradition to have breakfast and morning tea while watching Motorinc (Or Jason Cammisa) review Videos. as for Jawa, it was always visually appealing for me, I have a soft corner for it & I pray that Final product will be as good as shumi says.
This is my first time watching shumi ever since preading his blogs for overdrive was the last time i remember and every story to hear from him was reliving! Glad to see him still connected to 390!
Rather than catching a flight, Shumi opted to ride his Ducati to the event! His unwavering love for motorcycles shines through. ! While the legacy and heritage of Jawa evoke nostalgia among enthusiasts, it must navigate the modern landscape with innovation and adaptability. Only time will reveal whether Jawa can rev up its engines and accelerate toward success! 🏍️ 3:01
Oh there's absolutely no doubt that left to his devices, Shumi's be motorcycle-borne for most things - he barely needs an excuse as it is 🤣 As Shumi said, we wish Classic Legends luck!
Here in Mysore Karnataka we love our yezdis and jawas. A lot of them were manufactured here. I see the new yezdis zipping around. I own a yezdi 1989 roadking one of the best bikes ive ridden. The machine js unique and handles like a sports bike itd amazing.
The road map for Jawa will be a 500cc parallel twin, with a performance similar to Intreceptor 650. Historically, Jawa/Yezdi had a 500cc parallel twin. This 500cc engine producing 45-50HP can be tuned for city as Jawa. Yezdi scram, and adv version.
As a ex-jawa owner I had made all customization that they bought in this new jawa 350. My bike had raised front shocks, big tires and the engine was same 300cc. So, on my experiment the new bike is redesigned 😂and with the bigger engine. Hope the new chrome and metal parts are of good quality. Also the fiber side pannels were so thin, I had crack on both sides, hope they have improved the quality of same this time.
My brother actually bought a meteor 350 and gave it me since he wasn't riding it much. I love the machine. He told me that when I start earning good money, I need to buy him a Super Meteor. Since then have been looking for more options from Jawa and maybe other brands. Also, I'd like to see more classic bikes in the market. Hopefully we'll see some great option in the coming years.
Amazing points and i strongly agree ! I owned a jawa jawa (jawa maroon) for a year and this is what i found out - Pros : 1. The bike had the classic good looks (twin exhausts, great proportions, generous use of chrome) 2. It was a wild machine. (A sports bike dressed as a vintage roadster, had a lot of fun with it. The power felt just right) 3. Was a capable machine ( had great cornering ability and suerb handling) 4. Was a conversation starter ( dunno if its a pro or con, but it sure did grab attention) 5. The golden speedo console reminded me of Classic watch dial which gave me a proper vintage vibe. I know it was not doing what it was supposed to but i just loved the aesthetics) Cons: 1. The customers were the ones who did the R&D. 2. It aimed directly at the King (re classic 350) but with a half baked product. 3. Unreliable. Though my bike never had any issues, the customers i met while my visits to the service center, had a lot of complaints and that did gave me a fair bit of anxiety. 4. Rust issues. (But Jawa always replaced them without hassles) 5. Awful ground clearance. Something always got scraped when ridden enthusiastically. But with everything said, i really had a good share of fun with this motorcycle and then finally replacing it with a GT650 (2022) This machine got me into motorcycling (the last motorcycle i had was a CBR 250r back in 2011-12) Yes i do have good memories with it but never missed it as such.
Ashes! That's a great summary and the fact that you had to move on after a year is exactly the sort of thing that worries us. What if you were done with it emotionally but didn't have the finances to move on... that situation is what we'd desperately like every motorcyclist out there to never have to face.
Apart from my 1st bike- a 1987 Yezdi 250 classic for Rs.17,200, i dont have anything to do with the brand. Yet im here paying attention to the intricacies of your review..tuning in to motoronic is a kind of lifestyle choice.. Btw..ive got my green Scrambler400x to complement the Intercptr650. Have let go of my 2016 bullet500 mostly on account of e20 fuel rollout in April 2025. What say Sirs?
Excellent points about the benchmarking. Yes, these companies need to do their own thing and create their own niche rather than trying to go after the segment leader's share of the market. The folks at Classic Legends have had trouble with execution of their ideas but it seems that they are trying to clean things up. I actually prefer unusual ignition switch locations. I loved that the ignition switch of our '79 Bullet 350 was installed in the right side tool box and an additional battery cut-off switch under the fuel tank. We switched to a conventionally located ignition switch when we converted the bike from 6 volts to 12 volts. The steering lock is still a padlock and I wouldn't change that. I wouldn't mind having that type of lock on my Interceptor. All in all, a great video as usual.
Love these long form first impressions. Feels more authentic. You guys go into a lot more detail on why you don't like something and also lay out your expectations well.
Classic Legends is a company run by businessmen to sell motorcycle for others to ride; Royal Enfield is a company run by motorcyclists to sell the motorcycle they want to ride.
I'm old enough to remember Jawa 2-strokes in the UK, and it's difficult to imagine two more different bikes than a Royal Enfield and a Jawa. Like MZ and other Warsaw Pact motorcycles, Jawas were built with the aim of getting the working population of a planned economy mobile, at the lowest possible price. They had their fans in western markets, but it was a minority taste and most people bought them because they were cheap and mostly cheerful. Jawa last made a 4-stroke in the 1920s, and the new models look nothing like it. BSA have a much larger back catalogue of names, styles and engine designs to plunder, most of which could find a new market if they get the details correct.
Please do a review for huskies... Personally I don't like design, that's why I purchased 23 vitpilen just before discontinuing. .. would love to hear your thoughts.
Here's what I've inferred from this spectacular review: 1. Have a personality. Always try to be yourself. 2. Imitation will always be the greatest form of flattery. 3. No marketing whatsoever can save you if your product is subpar. 4. A lot of the reviews out there are paid. And you should definitely get a test ride before buying a motorcycle. 5. If you're lucky enough to have an original Jawa at home, cherish it, love it and respect it. That's not coming back soon.
Great podcast guys. Loved it that he rode down and back the 1900 km as a fellow crazy motorcyclist - in my circle they called my Bengaluru - Sirsi run foolish - a total of 870 km - wait for buses, bumpy ride, last mile connectivity...meh! Fueled up, checked the air pressures the previous night - Started at 6, was there by 1345 after 2 breaks, one small 5 min tea at the 100 km, next at Davanagere for the benne dose at 272 km. 27 hours later, left at 1630, and was back home by 2345, an extra 45 minutes thanks to the Nelamangala toll and subsequent mess - Shumi will know. Wasnt even tired or rattled up like I would in my Scorpio or a bus due to the BOF movement. Also please speak about similarly lesser known brands like Husqvarna, Hyosung - guys the wait is getting too much for ThisConnect Season 2!
You know what it feels like! Awesome OTR! HS401 MotorInc First coming soon! ThisConnect Season 02 is in the works - we want to raise the bar so it's taking a bit longer.
How I high you wanna raise this bar exactly... 😂😂. No one is anywhere close to you guys at the moment. I guess that's the beauty of independent channel. Amazing content as always.
@MotorInc Which motorcycle in india has the best suspension wrt ride quality for Bangalore city roads? I am bike form factor agnostic. Budget is anything below 7 lacs.
Probably the Himalayan. Nothing else we've tested has that level of absorption. Second choices would be 400X/Speed 400/Duke 390 (Comfort settings). A great outside option could be Classic 350, does better than you expect but feels VERY different from the others we've listed. Among the smaller bikes, the N250 and N150 also have excellent suspension.
Having followed the automotive journalistic scene for a while, the honest and open way in which the bike and the brand have been reviewed is really welcome. Most of the big journalist houses tend to be not this honest about the pitfalls of the machine or the brand. (Refer to the original review videos from 2018 and you'll be hard pressed to find such honest feedback). Having owned a 2019 Jawa, I could really relate to what was said about where classic legends went wrong. I hope they really improve their game. Keep up the good work Shumi!
Jawa 350 Ground clearance increased, but center stand removed, Nitrox shock absorbers also removed, then how can it manage on bumpy roads or in long ride ? after sale's service + spare parts at town level are missing, these three issues need to be resolved on urgent basis. speedometer is also not visible properly, gear shift indicator is missing, look those issues.
Last year the flagship Jawa/Yezdi dealership @ Raniganj in Secunderabad shifted over to Royal Enfield….the reason the dealership told was that the volumes were just not coming to justify the investment he did on the infrastructure
I used to drive my father's 1964 Jawa 250 during my college days in late 90s. Ah... so many fond memories of it. We had sold it off & now I so want to ride it again!! 🥲
A quick line to check if you guys will be talking about the new Jawa 42 FJ. Judging by the looks of the bike, and what was being talked about in this video, and also a short test ride of the Jawa 350, I am interested to know your views very much.
Finally Jawas are getting talked about. Happy to see you guys say it's a pleasant surprise rather than "well it's not a worthwhile change anymore, this late into the game". It is also nice to see the brand finally owning up to their mistakes and trying to fix it with these service camps and all. I really agree with the opinion that they should separate themselves from RE and follow their own idea of motorcycling, or else I think they might end up where Honda has with their 350s. The Jawa tradition should not hold back their engineering and usability (like the key and steering lock thing). I think as long as the bikes work as intended and have a unique feel to them, they have a good future.
the original jawa and yezdis from my childhood had crazy 2 strokes sound and thump, since you have 4 strokes now they tried to give you the same feel by removing db killers but yes those are very loud as i heard on few free flow jawas. A very good study of market/ history-/segment and shortcomings 😊f earlier model gives this video a fresh and thorough analysis, jargons like ‘me too’ product is also very apt , few more points - naming like jawa350 and cb350 is frontal attack on competitor so that it stays in consumer minds that other 350 also are options apart from classic 350. now the very essence of RE is the thump that exists to this day in j series , you can feel the slight knock knock underneath while at idle on a signal that even honda cannot replicate thanks to it’ vibe free super smooth blah blah refinement aka killjoy’. also this is cult brand segwmnt where ppl like to get associated with the brand like RE jawa yamaha etcso brand characteristics play a very imp role😊😊
Shumi you are a national treasure!!! Concise and very well articulated, valid points with benchmarking issue that has stopped the natural progression of the industry.
I just want to add this, you guys are the benchmark for a lot of other media/youtubers coz, just to get views, without even riding/driving the vehicle, they call it as a review where not much review happens coz they haven't yet had experience with the vehicle to review it. Our two/four wheeler community needs to change & I can confidently say that you guys are that wave that'll bring about the change. Love you guys from Bengaluru!!❤
Nice conversation finally from your two . As a jawa jawa owner am still using it for past 3 yrs now still going good had some issues with rusting and tensonor issue on my old jawa . But here am not like the way they reduce the power ratio on jawa 350 . Original jawa is ment to be a racing motorcycle i think so thats their DNA. Now its getting peal off from jawa . Hope the quality issues get improved now . Rest am happy with my jawa jawa .😎
I never used to watch bike reviews or bike videos for that matter, but ever since i discovered these discussions, it makes me watch more and more videos of Motorinc, i love the way these people talk about things, amazing, Kudos to you sirs.
Fully endorse your views. Having grown up with Jawas/Yezdi's of 80's I could diffrentiate the flaws of these new Jawas and never recommended to anyone. Hopefully I see promises in these new models. Many many thanks for your insights ❤
A 42 owner here, In my opinion jawa should try making a lighter retro motorcycle, like the brand used to make in the 70s and 80s, and that's what set them apart from Enfields. A 15 bhp, 175 cc, 4 stroke single, with affordable pricing and heavy retro chrome finish will sell like pancakes, then only it can fit into the "jawa niche".
I'm an old timer so if you liked the original Jawa, try getting your hands on a Yezdi 250 or Roadking...that nostalgia will kick in even if you've never been on Yezdi...
I know.. it not the format your videos are in. But a glimse of the machine here and there in a motion would give us a an awesome experience. I like the one here in the video when you mention exhaust note.
Given how tight the schedules for media previews are, Rajeev, this is very difficult. And unless it meets our quality standards, we don't believe it's the right thing to bring to the channel. We'll do less if we must, but we won't give up quality in the process.
I love my 42, with all its flaws. I wanted a bike with retro aesthetics but a modern engaging engine. Still, do i wish the engine was more refined? definitely! It is my first bike, 2.5 years old now. Having said all that I am cognizant of the shortcomings of the brand and Shumi's word have me hopeful. Good competition in the is always good for the customers.
The part I loved most about JAWA 350 is that it is the singlemost bike in their segment. No confusion, nothing. All classic 350 fans should rather buy a Jawa 350. It is more classic than classic. It's history.
Jawa is slowly improving their products.Geat products .But one problems with this brand is they have less service centre as compared to Royal Enfield.They should increase their services centre to catch up Royal Enfield.Jawa 350 need to have digital meter console with trip metre,gear indicator, blue tooth connectivity, speedometer.
Jawa was never like Bullet and that was their strong selling point. Back in those days all vehicles where far different from each other. I have ridden Jawa it's light and sporty nature was it's strong point and not to forget STEPNEY on motorcycle in rural area with very little infrastructure.
This is the most serious Motorinc First episodes 😂😂. Jokes aside, I would have never imagined that I would sit back and watch people just talk about automobiles without actually having the vehicle to show its features, sound etc. Absolutely love these videos.
Smooth-sailing convo! The debating pace has slowed down to be more mature, rather than blasting and sounding like the TRP-craving _____! Love you guys, more!
The exhaust of the original Jawas was unique and lent a distinct personality to the bike. Maybe is why the current mnfrs took a shot at the exhaust noise.
Please do an initial impression video on jawa bobber 42 in this season sir because I want to get one it will be very helpful in choosing one great machine
Jeremy Clarkson while describing the Alfa Romeo (Giulia Quad) mentioned something about “ personality of a vehicle “ wherein its flaws, makes the machine more human and thus more likeable. This is where RE hits it out of the park, it’s easy going enough for anyone to fall for it AND it’s also stupid enough not to understand what neutral is and how to shift down quickly from 4 to 1 gear without being dumbfounded. These foibles make Royal Enfield who they are. The Honda retro bikes are too strict with their gearing although being almost perfect on top of that Honda cannot separate its Highness from being under the same roof as a Honda Shine and Jawa has too many flaws for one to keep loving. At this point all these bikes are playing catch up to RE and I don’t see that changing anytime soon
GREAT point Rohan! We were discussing this the other day at the office and it's true. Sometimes the flaws fall into the right place and _help_ the machine grow in your feelings about it than it diminishes them! As Shumi puts it, a perfect motorcycle isn't a flawless motorcycle. It's one with the flaws in the right places.
I want a suggestion from you. I have been using a 13 years old Bajaj Pulsar 150. My father gave it to me in 2017. From then I have been maintaining the bike like it's been around 7 years since I am using it fully(present odo reading is at 95000 km). I am using it as a daily commuter to my office, previously it was my college commuter. 2 years ago the bike's condition used to be very perfect but now I am noticing some performance changes, engine sound increased(bassy sound decreased) and some wiring problems are occuring though I am servicing the bike regularly. I am planning to repaint, restore and do all the other stuff which is needed that costs me around 25k(according to my mechanic estimation) Is it worth to do it or do I need to go for a new one(I will not sell my bike as I have an attachment with it)
Aesthetically I loved what Jawa did with the Jawa Jawa. It was just beautiful to look at. But I was disappointed when I rode it, moreso because the interaction with the showroom guys started out badly and that weighed in when I rode the bike, which didn't impress me (may be I was expecting a lot) and dad who owned a D250 Classic also felt the same. I hope new one at least does justice to the way it looks if not anything else. You mentioned Jawa is replacing defective parts with new one, are they replacing them with new parts of same quality or the new improved one? Cuz that is what will make the actual difference. No point replacing a part that will rust again in a few months, same with chrome too. As far as Yezdi goes, I think they should make a Roadking, but a more powerful version than Jawa 350. Dad being from Coorg, we have had many family members / relatives with Yezdi bikes back then, so my attachment is more with Yezdi brand than Jawa itself. I completely agree with what you guys said about not thinking beyond the competitors. Jawa has done that mistake, so have Yezdi, Honda, TVS, and even Bajaj to an extent, remember the whole haathi mat paalo ad? Making Dominar unnecessarily heavy in the process. Will they even bring BSA to India? How is it doing abroad? Wasn't it launched sometime ago?
This is we love your comments TLWM! So much to unpack in there! First, the parts are the current best quality CL has so they should last longer. Second, it’s pretty obvious that directly challenging a market leader is a strategy that just doesn’t work - we’re not sure why the brands can see the logic written in every single strategy book - some of which they themselves quote!
You are bang on about java's obsession with RE. This has existed ever since their relaunch. Why would you wanna enter the market by comparing yourself to a segment leader and a brand that people are so emotionally attached to, without differentiating your product in any meaningful way? Old javas were inherently different motorcycles, it's right there!! Also, this maybe would've worked back in the day when RE had reliability issues and you had a more reliable counterpart, which wasn't the case. Especially, now when RE has a whole line up of bikes and as a brand, is much more than just the bullet.
Another video of an amazing quality. Good observations and also some interesting comments on other manufacturers especially TVS. If I were heading engineering of a bike manufacturer I would hire your for doing engineering reviews in design stage. 😊
What are your thoughts on the new honda CB 350? In a senario wherein in i have to choose between an RE classic 350, Java and the CB 350 what do you think would a better reliable option ? 🤔
Hey Jerin! We've _never_ recommended the Honda 350s at all. They don't represent the Honda brand to us in any way. Of the other two, the Classic 350 is a safe bet for now - it's a great bike in many ways, the Jawa 350 we're going to request you to wait. We've only _tasted_ this bike briefly and we'd like to get one through our test and do a proper evaluation first.
Back in those day's when royal Enfield nd jawa were original nd totally different. Remember the ( kick+gear ) combination of Jawa Nd Opposite ( double gear / brake) of Bullet My suggestion to jawa is ( focus on your motercycle rather than calling it compitition of RE becuz RE is mammoth 🦣 even Honda is struggling
Beautiful video as always. May I ask how do guys research your roads? Are there any resources where from I can figure out what would make a good sunday bike ride? Many a times I have found that any and all good roads going out of the city won't allow two wheelers at all and that is becoming progressively annoying. Thanks.
I own Jawa 42.1 for last 2 years It's been good ride so far . Built quality is good Minor glitches here n there But mostly good Jawa needs to work on low End performance .
I love your analytical approach that nobody else delivers. I prefer it over the biggest western journalistic reviews and the smaller ones anyway. But that Jawa. Clearly it‘s a sheit bike, still, a much bettered one - maybe. Why do they try to maintain what globally people expect from Indian quality? The lazy execution and reliability, where Enfield invested a lot to successfully overcome the most of it. That is the way to succeed, not to remain stuck in old ways of messing up. There‘s just too much great chinese competition around to be so foolish.
A big problem with Jawa, and I think Classic Legends as a whole, is their customer service. It has gotten better in the past few years, but it is still not anywhere near where other brands like RE, Bajaj or TVS offer. I was in the market for a bike this past November, and was considering the 42. My grandfather owned both, a Jawa and a Yezdi, and my mother used to borrow them to ride to college, so I thought it'd be a nice thing to have a Jawa again in the family but ended up not buying it because of the fact that the multiple dealers I visited, none were ready to offer me a test ride.
One aspect about old Jawas was the engine and the firing. It was the twin exhaust firing. It had a great pickup too. I've ridden that seated on the tank as a child. Still don't see the new Jawas coming close to that.
Oh I feel so bad. I loved Mahindra Mojo, the way it sounded, bassy as if the sound was coming from the ground. Now when I look at them, I feel like this was one of the worst business failures, even bigger than ford. They had everything, a history, a reasonably good product, the market attention, and even after all of these, poor business decisions one after another destroyed the company. I did not even know that it was even possible for someone to mess up a good business idea so much. And the worst thing- they pushed Mojo into oblivion. 😢
Two vehicles are very close to my heart and are absolutely absolutely underrated. I would love to see good quality review of both of them on this channel. So please make a video on The Tata Hexa and The Mahindra Mojo.
So much was happening in this video, especially in the middle that you may think of producing more episodes/podcasts on how a motorcycle lifecycle should be. I happen to be a part of some groups of motorcycling, some advanced but also some of beginners. The discussions of Jawa, recommendations of test rides, everything has become past. As you pointed out, the time is lost and turning around a brand requires something to change at the core of the organisation. I feel this is that final or may be a penultimate round of a swing to revive the brand by the investors giving a chance to some R&D team to make a better product. Not wishing any worse to such a legendary brand but whenever i see a Jawa on the road, i so wish to get to know the person who bought it, why it is being bought and what draws them.
Hey Tarun! Did you have a chance to check out ThisConnect our podcast? Season 1 is on YT - and if you liked the middle part, we think you’ll enjoy the 20 episodes there too!
"if you stick to benchmarking - you will never be original" - I feel even outside bikes, this is just great life advice.
Thanks Shumi 🤜🏼
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Glad we can help!
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@@motorinc I have got a solution pitch in a couple of weeks from now, I'm gonna use this phrase if it's cool with you guys.
Absolutely Arnab! Best of luck!
@@arnabseal7629 all the best bro!
sunday-ing has never been so refreshing before...I just heard my wife saying this to my 5 year old, "papa is listening to shumi and karthikey, dont go there"....wow thats a gradual change in the atmosphere....elated!!
Oh wow wow wow! Say hello to family from all of us, RoadRidesAndBeyond! And a big hug for the little one!
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Hahaha..that's actually such a refreshing atmosphere and comment you got! 😁✌🏻
Absolutely! One of things we're proudest of is the warmth, intelligence and respectfulness of MotorInc Family!
I just wanna say there is no channel (internationally) that can compete with you right now. The sleekness, freshness, calmness and the knowledge..ness!? of this channel is unparallel.
Thank you very much sho_k1! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
This is the best way to review a motorcycle. Never have i ever paid this much attention to a conversation about a motorcycle review. You guys make me feel more interested in motorcycling all together. Thank you so much Shumi and Karthikeya and all the people who were involved in making MotorInc a reality.
Glad you enjoyed it Manideep! Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
Mysore, Karnataka (where I'm from) was home to the Ideal Jawa Factory, which made Jawa and Yezdi in the 60s and 70s. Its founder, F K Irani, a true giant of a man, started the Ideal Jawa Rotary school along with his wife, which was one of the finest private schools in Mysore (where I studied), with many teachers from the Anglo-Indian community. They also gave admission to many children from poor families and never discriminated.
When the factory was shut down, many mechanics from the factory started their own shops/garages. To this day, vintage Jawa rides are organized, and as an ode to the founder and factory, it passes along the route where the factory was located.
Ironically, when the new Jawa opened their showroom in my city around 2 years ago, and to this day in their marketing, they LEAVE OUT this vital piece of history. Mysore is a student city with many educational institutions for Bachelors and Master's, hardly any college-going kid is seen with a Jawa. It's always a KTM or Royal Enfield. Maybe, as you said, they were so focused on benchmarking, that they forgot its heritage origins and what could have been one of its biggest markets.
Wow! What a story MurgiBaba! Not touching on their history while in Mysore certainly feels like a miss!
I own a bs6 Jawa Jawa...and seriously no complaints...amazing machine
Thinking about what Karthikeya said about how Jawa and RE are two different riding experences, the benchmarking thing makes a lot of sense now because I own a Jawa Classic and the only reason I bought that bike is because I am not a fan of the RE philosophy of a laid-back riding. I always wanted my bike to look classic, but be engaging and fast. And while Jawa failed at other things, they provided this riding experience and this riding philosophy.
Another thing that I would highlight is that the Jawa is a good touring and highway machine. Because on highways where the traffic is less, there is less gear shifts so the riding experience improves, the roads are better than the city so the suspension becomes a lot more forgiving and accomodating and you are able to do speeds of 80-90 which is your limit for Indian highways. I have done a lot of highway rides on my Jawa and I think this is one thing that is not talked about a lot. Yes, there have been problems, but it isn't like everything has been bad. There has been some good stuff as well that has been completely masked by poor quality and service.
Thanks Tariq! We're hoping that CL and Jawa build on what they do well and eliminate/improve what they're weak at!
Same for me, I liked RE classic 350 from the start but didn't buy it because of the lack of power, I knew I will grow out of it very soon, but when jawa showroom opened in my city I experienced ktm and royal Enfield at the same time and bought it and I'm not disappointed, yes flaws are there but they don't come in my way of enjoying the ride
@@vijaysinghr988 Exactly. Internet can be deceiving as it likes to paint a black and white picture. But in real-life, things are nuanced. It is not like something is entirely great or entirely bad.
Good to see Jawa is working hard. People need options other than Royal Enfields (I never liked REs).
Lets hope Yezdi also comes up.
My father bought a Yezdi in the late 80s and I remember me, my brother, my mom and dad riding the yedzi together. It was a great bike. Never gave any problems whatsoever.
Hopefully, exciting times ahead.
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This segment feels like an honest heart to heart discussion. It's not just about the spec sheet and that's what I love about such discussions. You guys convey what most should without sounding like a top gear show.
Thank you so much Bhavsar! We did plan MotorInc First as how Kartikeya and Shumi would discuss things after they returned from a media preview and often the discussion would diverge into context, history, technology, brand challenges and other aspects. It was how vibrant that conversation was that led to MotorInc First and we're glad you're enjoying it thoroughly!
Mahindra did themselves wrong, in my personal opinion they shouldn't have purchased 3 classic brands as they are only focusing one brand and then after words shifting to another. They could never beat Royal Enfield or norton in future.
And not to forget Indian and foreign brands alike want piece of cake in retro motorcycle market, I'm loving the competition by Triumph, mavrick, Ronin etc.
Women detected opinion rejected 😂
@omchaudary 😂 gona use this in future
@omchaudhary:
Really? Casual misogyny is humour now?
We strongly urge you not to @lauralassan325
Actually wanted to share this with you guys. I own a yezdi adventure. Its been with me for 2 years now and ive done around 38000 kms and it has been really amazing. For 1 st three months i had the DB killer but after that i removed it and since then it has been a whole different feeling. The bike became smooth and felt like it got faster. The bike became amazing after that. After 1st one month of riding i had front fork oil seal leak and the service guys took 3 months to replace those as the spare wasnt available. After about 6 months the bike had engine oil leakage and the head was completely opened and repaired. Since then I've never faced any problem with my bike. It runs amazingly well. It's fast but sometimes does feel slow at Highway speeds. Upto 6k rpm the bike is smooth but after that the engine clatter becomes very prominent. But I'm used to it now. Now the bike seems to be ageing and i feel the rear is becoming a bit unsettling and the rear of the bike is bottoming out but rear mono shocks aren't available. And its really scary. Ive had an amazing time on this bike. And i hope to munch more miles on this. Just hope that the spares will be available. Many people complain about the bikes but maybe my fate was good. And i got an amazing bike.
You are so charitable..that's all I can say. Cheers Bro
Wow. That's a lot of trouble to go through Doc. Glad you enjoyed your riding despite!
@@motorinc yes I had to accept those problems and searching for a solution was my only option. But it was worth it❤️
@@dr.ranadhishrajan2797 reminds me of my 2016 Bullet500. 200km into my first Ladakh trip the exhaust fell off. Another 500 km later the carb started spewing fuel. All this on a brand new bike which had just gotten 1st service..
That was it..I had 8-9 yrs unperturbed riding on it since. Let go of it last week..to make place (in my head) for new Scrambler 400x
@@sanjaysharma-jf8fv 🎉 congrats for your new bike and many more kms of joy and adventure
It's come to the point that whenever there is a new launch of a bike, scooter or car, I don't watch any reviews no matter how early they are, I wait for the MotorInc First.
Awesome! Thank you so much Subbu! ♥️
The whole section of "Where does Jawa go next?" is so insightful. The way TVS approaches segments, evolution of motorcycle and it all shows how deep this field is. Its Not only limited to reviewing a product infront of you but understanding the brand and the psychology and what not. Found it super insightful. Will definitely come back to listen to how various things were explained and simplified.
Thanks Sudhi!
What Shumi says about a smaller business being obsessed with the market leader is so on point. I run an SME and it immediately struck a chord with me.
It these things that Shuni says every now amd then, which is pure wisdom even outside the automotive context that makes this Channel great.
Thanks for letting us know Samir! Glad you're enjoying the MotorInc experience!
I recently bought a Yezdi Roadster. I simply fell in love during the test drive, and chose it over 350 Meteor. It nice to see Jawa/Yezdi being covered.
Congratulations Aman!
I think the 300-350cc class is getting crowded now, I am not sure how many more retro classic bikes we need, I feel like the manufacturers should move to a bit bigger capacity engine now, something which is relatively unexplored, maybe 500s?
Yes! Chasing the market leader into their territory is not going to be production.
"My first motorcycle was a 1977 D 250 Yezdi Classic. Even then, I had always longed to own a Yezdi Road King, which was only available for purchase in foreign currency. Even now, a 650 twin Yezdi Road King would be a most welcome addition!"
💯 We hope this happens for you Vinod!
I know Jawa like I know my house. Not a boast but the town I've been born and brought up in, I used to see the old legends like Rajdut, Diesel Bullet and yes, older 42 Jawa 350 (possibly 1955 series). The owner of that Jawa was my friend's great grandfather. That motorcycle has passed down his family's generation and I was lucky enough to ride it once and I must say, riding THAT and the current Jawa during 2022 when I was looking to purchase my first 300CC+ bike, there's a big difference. I took test ride of all available Jawas and Royal Enfields since these motorcycles I've grown around. I thoroughly enjoyed the new 334CC engine but by large, the finish levels were all over the place, I even saw rusting happening near the header of new unit sitting in display in the dealership. I was very disappointed noticing the, "then" situation Jawa. Later I took test rides of a lot of different "types" of motorcycles and ended up with TVS Apache RR 310 (BTO) and I couldn't be more happy. Although looking at Jawa going in correct direction and hearing their customers and complaints and working on it makes me really happy. The current state and stance of Jawa is looking hopeful. Makes the kid inside me happy. I'm also excited to see BSA Goldstar come to India, "properly".
Great podcast guys. Thank you so much for bringing this to us. ❤️❤️
Always love seeing Shumi and Karthikeyan discuss.
Wow! Thanks for that Shrey!
Firstly for me, It's becoming more and more a tradition to have breakfast and morning tea while watching Motorinc (Or Jason Cammisa) review Videos. as for Jawa, it was always visually appealing for me, I have a soft corner for it & I pray that Final product will be as good as shumi says.
Awesome! Thanks for including us in the start of your day Kaustubh!
@@CarComparos yeah that too
This is my first time watching shumi ever since preading his blogs for overdrive was the last time i remember and every story to hear from him was reliving! Glad to see him still connected to 390!
Welcome to MotorInc! ♥️
Rather than catching a flight, Shumi opted to ride his Ducati to the event! His unwavering love for motorcycles shines through. !
While the legacy and heritage of Jawa evoke nostalgia among enthusiasts, it must navigate the modern landscape with innovation and adaptability. Only time will reveal whether Jawa can rev up its engines and accelerate toward success! 🏍️ 3:01
Oh there's absolutely no doubt that left to his devices, Shumi's be motorcycle-borne for most things - he barely needs an excuse as it is 🤣
As Shumi said, we wish Classic Legends luck!
Here in Mysore Karnataka we love our yezdis and jawas. A lot of them were manufactured here. I see the new yezdis zipping around. I own a yezdi 1989 roadking one of the best bikes ive ridden. The machine js unique and handles like a sports bike itd amazing.
Left everything and came here ❤ #MotorIncSunday🎉😊
Wow! Thank you!
I own the previous 300cc version of this classic. Love it, forgotten RE already. In terms of power, styling and handling its just amazing.
Awesome! Thanks for letting us know KillingKing!
That intro clip makes me happy ❤
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The road map for Jawa will be a 500cc parallel twin, with a performance similar to Intreceptor 650.
Historically, Jawa/Yezdi had a 500cc parallel twin.
This 500cc engine producing 45-50HP can be tuned for city as Jawa. Yezdi scram, and adv version.
Was eagerly waiting for this video.....Always loved both of you share your love and knowledge for motorcycles.
Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
As a ex-jawa owner I had made all customization that they bought in this new jawa 350. My bike had raised front shocks, big tires and the engine was same 300cc. So, on my experiment the new bike is redesigned 😂and with the bigger engine. Hope the new chrome and metal parts are of good quality. Also the fiber side pannels were so thin, I had crack on both sides, hope they have improved the quality of same this time.
Thanks for sharing Abhishek! We hope so too!
I think this is the only channel for which whenever I see a notification, I immediately click on it. Love your videos!
Thank you so much Akash!
My brother actually bought a meteor 350 and gave it me since he wasn't riding it much. I love the machine. He told me that when I start earning good money, I need to buy him a Super Meteor. Since then have been looking for more options from Jawa and maybe other brands. Also, I'd like to see more classic bikes in the market. Hopefully we'll see some great option in the coming years.
I have been waiting for this particular episode on Jawa 350. Thank you 🙏
So welcome! And thanks for your patience!
I enjoy these conversations a lot!
Two informed intelligent people talking bikes is peak entertainment to me.
Thank you so much Dheeeeraj!
Amazing points and i strongly agree !
I owned a jawa jawa (jawa maroon) for a year and this is what i found out -
Pros :
1. The bike had the classic good looks (twin exhausts, great proportions, generous use of chrome)
2. It was a wild machine. (A sports bike dressed as a vintage roadster, had a lot of fun with it. The power felt just right)
3. Was a capable machine ( had great cornering ability and suerb handling)
4. Was a conversation starter ( dunno if its a pro or con, but it sure did grab attention)
5. The golden speedo console reminded me of Classic watch dial which gave me a proper vintage vibe. I know it was not doing what it was supposed to but i just loved the aesthetics)
Cons:
1. The customers were the ones who did the R&D.
2. It aimed directly at the King (re classic 350) but with a half baked product.
3. Unreliable. Though my bike never had any issues, the customers i met while my visits to the service center, had a lot of complaints and that did gave me a fair bit of anxiety.
4. Rust issues. (But Jawa always replaced them without hassles)
5. Awful ground clearance. Something always got scraped when ridden enthusiastically.
But with everything said, i really had a good share of fun with this motorcycle and then finally replacing it with a GT650 (2022)
This machine got me into motorcycling (the last motorcycle i had was a CBR 250r back in 2011-12) Yes i do have good memories with it but never missed it as such.
Ashes! That's a great summary and the fact that you had to move on after a year is exactly the sort of thing that worries us. What if you were done with it emotionally but didn't have the finances to move on... that situation is what we'd desperately like every motorcyclist out there to never have to face.
Purest review on UA-cam without any nonsense... Simply best... ❤
Thank you Abhinash!
Apart from my 1st bike- a 1987 Yezdi 250 classic for Rs.17,200, i dont have anything to do with the brand.
Yet im here paying attention to the intricacies of your review..tuning in to motoronic is a kind of lifestyle choice..
Btw..ive got my green Scrambler400x to complement the Intercptr650. Have let go of my 2016 bullet500 mostly on account of e20 fuel rollout in April 2025.
What say Sirs?
First, congratulations Sanjay! Love that you love MotorInc!
Excellent points about the benchmarking. Yes, these companies need to do their own thing and create their own niche rather than trying to go after the segment leader's share of the market. The folks at Classic Legends have had trouble with execution of their ideas but it seems that they are trying to clean things up.
I actually prefer unusual ignition switch locations. I loved that the ignition switch of our '79 Bullet 350 was installed in the right side tool box and an additional battery cut-off switch under the fuel tank. We switched to a conventionally located ignition switch when we converted the bike from 6 volts to 12 volts. The steering lock is still a padlock and I wouldn't change that. I wouldn't mind having that type of lock on my Interceptor.
All in all, a great video as usual.
Thanks TWP!
Did I miss something? Where was Kartikeya's summary this time?
Fun review as always. Cheers!
Haha! Good catch! Glad you enjoyed the watch DarthPotato!
Love these long form first impressions. Feels more authentic.
You guys go into a lot more detail on why you don't like something and also lay out your expectations well.
Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
Classic Legends is a company run by businessmen to sell motorcycle for others to ride; Royal Enfield is a company run by motorcyclists to sell the motorcycle they want to ride.
Well put! We hope that changes, Smnkumarpaul
Well, what about Honda😜
Re overpriced... and I rode the 350 it's so smooth and the sound when u take out dB killer .. it's better than some re
I'm old enough to remember Jawa 2-strokes in the UK, and it's difficult to imagine two more different bikes than a Royal Enfield and a Jawa. Like MZ and other Warsaw Pact motorcycles, Jawas were built with the aim of getting the working population of a planned economy mobile, at the lowest possible price. They had their fans in western markets, but it was a minority taste and most people bought them because they were cheap and mostly cheerful. Jawa last made a 4-stroke in the 1920s, and the new models look nothing like it. BSA have a much larger back catalogue of names, styles and engine designs to plunder, most of which could find a new market if they get the details correct.
Please do a review for huskies... Personally I don't like design, that's why I purchased 23 vitpilen just before discontinuing. .. would love to hear your thoughts.
Husqvarna MotorInc First drops soon Kratos!
Here's what I've inferred from this spectacular review:
1. Have a personality. Always try to be yourself.
2. Imitation will always be the greatest form of flattery.
3. No marketing whatsoever can save you if your product is subpar.
4. A lot of the reviews out there are paid. And you should definitely get a test ride before buying a motorcycle.
5. If you're lucky enough to have an original Jawa at home, cherish it, love it and respect it. That's not coming back soon.
2a: flattery won't get you anywhere as quickly as 1 will.
4a: also true if the review is independent and unpromoted like ours
Thanks Tom!
Great guys and Great reviews. Soothing to ears. Great knowledge transfer
Glad we can help! Thanks Uvaraj!
I've never ridden java, this podcast really helps me and give me an idea about the brand or what they are trying to achieve in the future.
Glad we can help, Karun!
Jawa jawa !
Wah wah wah wah ! 👏 👏
Awesome sunday it is ! ❤
Ashes! 🤣
Great podcast guys. Loved it that he rode down and back the 1900 km as a fellow crazy motorcyclist - in my circle they called my Bengaluru - Sirsi run foolish - a total of 870 km - wait for buses, bumpy ride, last mile connectivity...meh! Fueled up, checked the air pressures the previous night - Started at 6, was there by 1345 after 2 breaks, one small 5 min tea at the 100 km, next at Davanagere for the benne dose at 272 km. 27 hours later, left at 1630, and was back home by 2345, an extra 45 minutes thanks to the Nelamangala toll and subsequent mess - Shumi will know. Wasnt even tired or rattled up like I would in my Scorpio or a bus due to the BOF movement.
Also please speak about similarly lesser known brands like Husqvarna, Hyosung - guys the wait is getting too much for ThisConnect Season 2!
You know what it feels like! Awesome OTR!
HS401 MotorInc First coming soon! ThisConnect Season 02 is in the works - we want to raise the bar so it's taking a bit longer.
How I high you wanna raise this bar exactly... 😂😂. No one is anywhere close to you guys at the moment. I guess that's the beauty of independent channel. Amazing content as always.
As high as we can possible raise it. What else would be the point? 😊
@@motorincnice! Can’t wait. By the way is the music team in house?
Indeed!
@MotorInc Which motorcycle in india has the best suspension wrt ride quality for Bangalore city roads? I am bike form factor agnostic. Budget is anything below 7 lacs.
Probably the Himalayan. Nothing else we've tested has that level of absorption. Second choices would be 400X/Speed 400/Duke 390 (Comfort settings). A great outside option could be Classic 350, does better than you expect but feels VERY different from the others we've listed. Among the smaller bikes, the N250 and N150 also have excellent suspension.
Having followed the automotive journalistic scene for a while, the honest and open way in which the bike and the brand have been reviewed is really welcome. Most of the big journalist houses tend to be not this honest about the pitfalls of the machine or the brand. (Refer to the original review videos from 2018 and you'll be hard pressed to find such honest feedback). Having owned a 2019 Jawa, I could really relate to what was said about where classic legends went wrong. I hope they really improve their game. Keep up the good work Shumi!
Thank you Sathyavrath!
Need video on Honda CB350
Jawa 350 Ground clearance increased, but center stand removed, Nitrox shock absorbers also removed, then how can it manage on bumpy roads or in long ride ? after sale's service + spare parts at town level are missing, these three issues need to be resolved on urgent basis. speedometer is also not visible properly, gear shift indicator is missing, look those issues.
I was almost certain that this was gonna be a Husqvarna Sunday😅
Dropping soon Dhruv!
Last year the flagship Jawa/Yezdi dealership @ Raniganj in Secunderabad shifted over to Royal Enfield….the reason the dealership told was that the volumes were just not coming to justify the investment he did on the infrastructure
Ouch. Thanks for letting us know Harish!
I used to drive my father's 1964 Jawa 250 during my college days in late 90s. Ah... so many fond memories of it. We had sold it off & now I so want to ride it again!! 🥲
We hope you get a taste of it again, Nikhil!
The bike looks amazing and great product by Jawa. I own a jawa 42 which has great power and no problems.
Thanks for letting us know!
A quick line to check if you guys will be talking about the new Jawa 42 FJ. Judging by the looks of the bike, and what was being talked about in this video, and also a short test ride of the Jawa 350, I am interested to know your views very much.
Finally Jawas are getting talked about. Happy to see you guys say it's a pleasant surprise rather than "well it's not a worthwhile change anymore, this late into the game". It is also nice to see the brand finally owning up to their mistakes and trying to fix it with these service camps and all. I really agree with the opinion that they should separate themselves from RE and follow their own idea of motorcycling, or else I think they might end up where Honda has with their 350s. The Jawa tradition should not hold back their engineering and usability (like the key and steering lock thing). I think as long as the bikes work as intended and have a unique feel to them, they have a good future.
Agreed! Thanks Adv8!
And for the N'th time, really love the hard work of the entire team to create every video. Keep going!!
Thanks a ton! We'll pass your compliments on to the team!
the original jawa and yezdis from my childhood had crazy 2 strokes sound and thump, since you have 4 strokes now they tried to give you the same feel by removing db killers but yes those are very loud as i heard on few free flow jawas. A very good study of market/ history-/segment and shortcomings 😊f earlier model gives this video a fresh and thorough analysis, jargons like ‘me too’ product is also very apt , few more points - naming like jawa350 and cb350 is frontal attack on competitor so that it stays in consumer minds that other 350 also are options apart from classic 350. now the very essence of RE is the thump that exists to this day in j series , you can feel the slight knock knock underneath while at idle on a signal that even honda cannot replicate thanks to it’ vibe free super smooth blah blah refinement aka killjoy’. also this is cult brand segwmnt where ppl like to get associated with the brand like RE jawa yamaha etcso brand characteristics play a very imp role😊😊
Thanks for sharing your perspective as usual HB!
Would absolutely love a video series of Shumi and Karthikeya riding together and having discussions about the bike they're riding. 😊
Shumi you are a national treasure!!!
Concise and very well articulated, valid points with benchmarking issue that has stopped the natural progression of the industry.
Thank you so much Mandeep!
I just want to add this, you guys are the benchmark for a lot of other media/youtubers coz, just to get views, without even riding/driving the vehicle, they call it as a review where not much review happens coz they haven't yet had experience with the vehicle to review it. Our two/four wheeler community needs to change & I can confidently say that you guys are that wave that'll bring about the change. Love you guys from Bengaluru!!❤
Thanks Arun! Glad we can help!
There isn’t a better person to learn about motorcycles, the science behind it, the perspective behind it, than Shumi himself. The OG. Period.
Nice conversation finally from your two . As a jawa jawa owner am still using it for past 3 yrs now still going good had some issues with rusting and tensonor issue on my old jawa . But here am not like the way they reduce the power ratio on jawa 350 . Original jawa is ment to be a racing motorcycle i think so thats their DNA. Now its getting peal off from jawa . Hope the quality issues get improved now . Rest am happy with my jawa jawa .😎
I never used to watch bike reviews or bike videos for that matter, but ever since i discovered these discussions, it makes me watch more and more videos of Motorinc, i love the way these people talk about things, amazing, Kudos to you sirs.
Fully endorse your views. Having grown up with Jawas/Yezdi's of 80's I could diffrentiate the flaws of these new Jawas and never recommended to anyone. Hopefully I see promises in these new models. Many many thanks for your insights ❤
A 42 owner here, In my opinion jawa should try making a lighter retro motorcycle, like the brand used to make in the 70s and 80s, and that's what set them apart from Enfields. A 15 bhp, 175 cc, 4 stroke single, with affordable pricing and heavy retro chrome finish will sell like pancakes, then only it can fit into the "jawa niche".
I'm an old timer so if you liked the original Jawa, try getting your hands on a Yezdi 250 or Roadking...that nostalgia will kick in even if you've never been on Yezdi...
I know.. it not the format your videos are in.
But a glimse of the machine here and there in a motion would give us a an awesome experience.
I like the one here in the video when you mention exhaust note.
Given how tight the schedules for media previews are, Rajeev, this is very difficult. And unless it meets our quality standards, we don't believe it's the right thing to bring to the channel. We'll do less if we must, but we won't give up quality in the process.
I love my 42, with all its flaws. I wanted a bike with retro aesthetics but a modern engaging engine. Still, do i wish the engine was more refined? definitely!
It is my first bike, 2.5 years old now.
Having said all that I am cognizant of the shortcomings of the brand and Shumi's word have me hopeful.
Good competition in the is always good for the customers.
The part I loved most about JAWA 350 is that it is the singlemost bike in their segment. No confusion, nothing. All classic 350 fans should rather buy a Jawa 350. It is more classic than classic. It's history.
Guilty to say but your videos are my go to when I struggle to fall asleep… both of you talk in such calm and soothing tone😅😅😅
Always a pleasure watching these 😆
I would really love a crossover between MotorInc and Fortnine.. it'll be absolutely legendary
Thanks Abhishek!
Despite the fact that I disagree with shumi on a lot of limited points, he evokes enormous respect with his grace and eloquence! ❤
Jawa is slowly improving their products.Geat products .But one problems with this brand is they have less service centre as compared to Royal Enfield.They should increase their services centre to catch up Royal Enfield.Jawa 350 need to have digital meter console with trip metre,gear indicator, blue tooth connectivity, speedometer.
Thanks for letting us know Chaitanya!
Such a pleasure to listen to Shumi, not many know motorcycles like him.
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Jawa was never like Bullet and that was their strong selling point. Back in those days all vehicles where far different from each other. I have ridden Jawa it's light and sporty nature was it's strong point and not to forget STEPNEY on motorcycle in rural area with very little infrastructure.
Absolutely spot on Sameer!
This might be the best episode man, Damn.
This is the most serious Motorinc First episodes 😂😂. Jokes aside, I would have never imagined that I would sit back and watch people just talk about automobiles without actually having the vehicle to show its features, sound etc. Absolutely love these videos.
Smooth-sailing convo! The debating pace has slowed down to be more mature, rather than blasting and sounding like the TRP-craving _____! Love you guys, more!
Thanks rjev! Glad you're enjoying the Motorinc experience!
Please have video about perak or jawa 42 bobber .only bobber in india so would be helpful to know more about it as it fixed several issues.
The exhaust of the original Jawas was unique and lent a distinct personality to the bike. Maybe is why the current mnfrs took a shot at the exhaust noise.
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Karthik "moves his fingers like a gun trigger"
Shumi **brakes are....**
The chemistry level is Top
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Please do an initial impression video on jawa bobber 42 in this season sir because I want to get one it will be very helpful in choosing one great machine
Jeremy Clarkson while describing the Alfa Romeo (Giulia Quad) mentioned something about “ personality of a vehicle “ wherein its flaws, makes the machine more human and thus more likeable. This is where RE hits it out of the park, it’s easy going enough for anyone to fall for it AND it’s also stupid enough not to understand what neutral is and how to shift down quickly from 4 to 1 gear without being dumbfounded. These foibles make Royal Enfield who they are.
The Honda retro bikes are too strict with their gearing although being almost perfect on top of that Honda cannot separate its Highness from being under the same roof as a Honda Shine and Jawa has too many flaws for one to keep loving.
At this point all these bikes are playing catch up to RE and I don’t see that changing anytime soon
GREAT point Rohan! We were discussing this the other day at the office and it's true. Sometimes the flaws fall into the right place and _help_ the machine grow in your feelings about it than it diminishes them! As Shumi puts it, a perfect motorcycle isn't a flawless motorcycle. It's one with the flaws in the right places.
I want a suggestion from you. I have been using a 13 years old Bajaj Pulsar 150. My father gave it to me in 2017. From then I have been maintaining the bike like it's been around 7 years since I am using it fully(present odo reading is at 95000 km). I am using it as a daily commuter to my office, previously it was my college commuter.
2 years ago the bike's condition used to be very perfect but now I am noticing some performance changes, engine sound increased(bassy sound decreased) and some wiring problems are occuring though I am servicing the bike regularly.
I am planning to repaint, restore and do all the other stuff which is needed that costs me around 25k(according to my mechanic estimation)
Is it worth to do it or do I need to go for a new one(I will not sell my bike as I have an attachment with it)
If you’re not going to sell it, then there can’t be a reasonable budget either no? 😊 best of luck and have fun restoring your beloved bike!
What did you think of the Mojo? Since that's where this engine is derived from.
I still have a bs3 and have clocked over 90k happy kms on it.
Aesthetically I loved what Jawa did with the Jawa Jawa. It was just beautiful to look at. But I was disappointed when I rode it, moreso because the interaction with the showroom guys started out badly and that weighed in when I rode the bike, which didn't impress me (may be I was expecting a lot) and dad who owned a D250 Classic also felt the same. I hope new one at least does justice to the way it looks if not anything else.
You mentioned Jawa is replacing defective parts with new one, are they replacing them with new parts of same quality or the new improved one? Cuz that is what will make the actual difference. No point replacing a part that will rust again in a few months, same with chrome too.
As far as Yezdi goes, I think they should make a Roadking, but a more powerful version than Jawa 350. Dad being from Coorg, we have had many family members / relatives with Yezdi bikes back then, so my attachment is more with Yezdi brand than Jawa itself.
I completely agree with what you guys said about not thinking beyond the competitors. Jawa has done that mistake, so have Yezdi, Honda, TVS, and even Bajaj to an extent, remember the whole haathi mat paalo ad? Making Dominar unnecessarily heavy in the process.
Will they even bring BSA to India? How is it doing abroad? Wasn't it launched sometime ago?
This is we love your comments TLWM! So much to unpack in there! First, the parts are the current best quality CL has so they should last longer. Second, it’s pretty obvious that directly challenging a market leader is a strategy that just doesn’t work - we’re not sure why the brands can see the logic written in every single strategy book - some of which they themselves quote!
You are bang on about java's obsession with RE. This has existed ever since their relaunch. Why would you wanna enter the market by comparing yourself to a segment leader and a brand that people are so emotionally attached to, without differentiating your product in any meaningful way? Old javas were inherently different motorcycles, it's right there!!
Also, this maybe would've worked back in the day when RE had reliability issues and you had a more reliable counterpart, which wasn't the case. Especially, now when RE has a whole line up of bikes and as a brand, is much more than just the bullet.
Another video of an amazing quality. Good observations and also some interesting comments on other manufacturers especially TVS. If I were heading engineering of a bike manufacturer I would hire your for doing engineering reviews in design stage. 😊
Thank you very much!
What are your thoughts on the new honda CB 350? In a senario wherein in i have to choose between an RE classic 350, Java and the CB 350 what do you think would a better reliable option ? 🤔
Hey Jerin! We've _never_ recommended the Honda 350s at all. They don't represent the Honda brand to us in any way. Of the other two, the Classic 350 is a safe bet for now - it's a great bike in many ways, the Jawa 350 we're going to request you to wait. We've only _tasted_ this bike briefly and we'd like to get one through our test and do a proper evaluation first.
@@motorinc well that clears it up. Thanks guys 🫰🏻
I really love your conversations, learnt a lot of things from you guys, after seeing this my cousin bought a jawa 350, its awesome bike.
Thanks for sharing @csharathkumar4160! What does he think of their service?
Back in those day's when royal Enfield nd jawa were original nd totally different.
Remember the ( kick+gear ) combination of Jawa
Nd Opposite ( double gear / brake) of Bullet
My suggestion to jawa is ( focus on your motercycle rather than calling it compitition of RE becuz RE is mammoth 🦣 even Honda is struggling
Yes, that kick/gear lever was stunning!
Beautiful video as always.
May I ask how do guys research your roads? Are there any resources where from I can figure out what would make a good sunday bike ride? Many a times I have found that any and all good roads going out of the city won't allow two wheelers at all and that is becoming progressively annoying.
Thanks.
Daksh! Shumi says he selects squiggles on Google Maps, in two-wheeler mode, and hopes for the best 😊
I own Jawa 42.1 for last 2 years
It's been good ride so far .
Built quality is good
Minor glitches here n there
But mostly good
Jawa needs to work on low End performance .
Thanks for letting us know Krishna!
I love your analytical approach that nobody else delivers. I prefer it over the biggest western journalistic reviews and the smaller ones anyway.
But that Jawa. Clearly it‘s a sheit bike, still, a much bettered one - maybe. Why do they try to maintain what globally people expect from Indian quality? The lazy execution and reliability, where Enfield invested a lot to successfully overcome the most of it. That is the way to succeed, not to remain stuck in old ways of messing up. There‘s just too much great chinese competition around to be so foolish.
A big problem with Jawa, and I think Classic Legends as a whole, is their customer service. It has gotten better in the past few years, but it is still not anywhere near where other brands like RE, Bajaj or TVS offer.
I was in the market for a bike this past November, and was considering the 42. My grandfather owned both, a Jawa and a Yezdi, and my mother used to borrow them to ride to college, so I thought it'd be a nice thing to have a Jawa again in the family but ended up not buying it because of the fact that the multiple dealers I visited, none were ready to offer me a test ride.
Oh no! That’s terrible! We hope they’re better at this now Subraanshu!
One aspect about old Jawas was the engine and the firing. It was the twin exhaust firing. It had a great pickup too. I've ridden that seated on the tank as a child. Still don't see the new Jawas coming close to that.
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Oh I feel so bad. I loved Mahindra Mojo, the way it sounded, bassy as if the sound was coming from the ground.
Now when I look at them, I feel like this was one of the worst business failures, even bigger than ford. They had everything, a history, a reasonably good product, the market attention, and even after all of these, poor business decisions one after another destroyed the company.
I did not even know that it was even possible for someone to mess up a good business idea so much.
And the worst thing- they pushed Mojo into oblivion. 😢
Sounds terrible when you put it like that, but yes, for the most part the CL business hasn't gone well so far
Two vehicles are very close to my heart and are absolutely absolutely underrated. I would love to see good quality review of both of them on this channel. So please make a video on The Tata Hexa and The Mahindra Mojo.
So much was happening in this video, especially in the middle that you may think of producing more episodes/podcasts on how a motorcycle lifecycle should be. I happen to be a part of some groups of motorcycling, some advanced but also some of beginners. The discussions of Jawa, recommendations of test rides, everything has become past. As you pointed out, the time is lost and turning around a brand requires something to change at the core of the organisation. I feel this is that final or may be a penultimate round of a swing to revive the brand by the investors giving a chance to some R&D team to make a better product. Not wishing any worse to such a legendary brand but whenever i see a Jawa on the road, i so wish to get to know the person who bought it, why it is being bought and what draws them.
Hey Tarun! Did you have a chance to check out ThisConnect our podcast? Season 1 is on YT - and if you liked the middle part, we think you’ll enjoy the 20 episodes there too!
@@motorinc Never missed an episode, let me go back to those episodes