This vampire deck is really neat, I think strefan is a really sweet vampire commander that’s not too pushed. I can’t wait for the spirit upgrade too, that one is my favorite, I loooove the face commander for that deck so much
I’ve been playing with this new deck for awhile now and noticed that Mob Rule is a complete game changer almost every time it’s played. It is perfect for when I’m being outnumbered and need to get one last hit in. I highly recommend keeping Mob rule in the deck.
@@TheNobananaman I think I removed imposing grandeur to keep mob rule in it, I don’t think I put call to the netherworld in the deck but it’s been a minute since using that deck
@@thomashicks1921 thank you so much for replying to this comment. I just bought the precon beat my friend with it using mob rule and then saw this video upgraded it and saw it called to remove mob rule.
@@TheNobananaman yeah I don’t see why it should ever get removed. Especially if everyone is still alive in the game. Olivia crimson bride is a crazy good card for this deck though so I still recommend throwing her into it
I was already excited for this deck, but this guide definitely kicked it up a notch! Thoughtful analysis in the article and a great quick watch. Thanks for sharing your expertise, Tomer!
@@SuperTominou essentially yes. It give all of your non-artifact spells Improvise (you may tap artifacts to pay for 1 generic mana for each artifact you tap). Since this deck makes a lot of blood tokens and doesn't have many artifact spells, it's basically super ramp
As someone who has been playing this deck since release, theres 1 thing no one wants to talk about. Adaptability. This deck has insane Adaptability options, the tokens give a solid draw as long as you can keep strefan or other vamps on the field, Markov enforcer is a decent 6/6 token engine clearer and arterial alchemy turns the tokens into +2/+0 equipment. And magma rager is a good deterrent. Out of the box it's pretty solid
Totally love these tips and I'm going to use some. I'm already taking this deck in a vampire bloodtoken artifacts matter sort of way. Ping for damage, get a lot of blood tokens and then use Inspired Statuary to improvise everything and DarkSteel Juggernaut as a big baddy. 😎
Hey bro just want to thank you. Because of this vid I bought my first ever precon deck. Going to try upgraded it as you recommended and after many many games I'm going to see if I can improve it in my own way
Great guide, the first thing I thought of when I saw the precon list was "Where is Olivia's attendants!? That's like the best cards for this deck!" I am sad to see vampiric dragon go. Speaking of Vampiric dragon, did you consider Immersturm Predator? Seems dece
Thank you for not making this another Worldgorger Dragon combo deck. They did it to Anje, so I figured it wouldnt be too much of a stretch to do it here either.
Tbh I don't see Breath of Fury working well with Strefan because he won't generate more Blood tokens by additional main phases because the blood token generation only triggers at the end step. So as far as I see it, you wouldn't generate more blood tokens, just sacrifice another creature each turn. I swapped it out for Relentless Assault. One additional combat phase without having to sacrifice anything sounds better to me.
I think changing "Urge to Feed" for "Terminal Agony" is a bad choice. The -3 to me just seems more powerful and its instant speed all the time. Where Terminal is only instant when you can discard.
I like scavenger grounds in this deck, bojuka bog on instant speed on all graves, yes please, and with ifnir deadlands and ramunap ruins there are 2 other deserts in this so you dont't even have to sac itself (most of the time you do, but hey it's an option)
I think you keep kambar in the deck he works with both the primary team in sub theme of the deck well and you don’t have to have the other partner in there to play this card
17:00 Damnable Pact is not about mana efficiency. It never was. It is about refilling your hand with options. And for additinol mana it also provides hand sculpting This is huge for a color pair that is hungry for stuff to do. Looting for cards each turn when you need an answer for a problem on the board yesterday =/= drawing 10 cards and putting reanimation targets in the graveyard to boot. If you do not understand the difference between looting and damn-pact, and only look at mana efficiency - then you are not a black player
@@MTGGoldfishCommander im just giving the full break down on the card. Saying an X-spell is not efficient, is the most obvious hot take on an X -spell ever. No X-spell is efficient. Their power lies in their flexibility. 🤪 I am just providing the full context of the card to the people interested in having options
Bro, I won with mob rule against goblins its an instant win, it took out everybody, personally I can't take it out. I also used sinister waltz to perfection, there were two cards and my commander in my graveyard, the guy chose my commander so I put the cards with life link back in.
5:30 The point of mob rule is not to sacrifice your opponents creatures. It is a finisher. It takes all blockers off the field essentially and opens a path to either the whole board, or at least a pesky control player that is preventing your from breaking parity *Breaking parity is the primary effect of how anyone wins commander* when someone begins to break parity even slightly they are now immediately in first place This card is a great finisher and I would never take it out. Also it is fun for a goad sub theme in the deck just to keep the game fun
I'm aware how to win games of commander thanks. Feel free to make / not make any changes you want, but this upgraded version wins just fine without Mob Rule and I daresay it's better off without it.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander I am not sating it is necessarily the best card. But your primary explanation for taking it out had to do with sacrificing creatures. I was simply stating that sacrificing is not it’s primary objective. And that it is a great finisher that is fun. *The bold letters in my last comment were supposed to be italic as a side note.
When discussing the deck's ratios, the audio is correct but the ones displayed on screen are incorrect. Sorry about that error.
This vampire deck is really neat, I think strefan is a really sweet vampire commander that’s not too pushed. I can’t wait for the spirit upgrade too, that one is my favorite, I loooove the face commander for that deck so much
I’ve been playing with this new deck for awhile now and noticed that Mob Rule is a complete game changer almost every time it’s played. It is perfect for when I’m being outnumbered and need to get one last hit in. I highly recommend keeping Mob rule in the deck.
Which card would you take out for mob rule?
@@TheNobananaman I think I removed imposing grandeur to keep mob rule in it, I don’t think I put call to the netherworld in the deck but it’s been a minute since using that deck
@@thomashicks1921 thank you so much for replying to this comment. I just bought the precon beat my friend with it using mob rule and then saw this video upgraded it and saw it called to remove mob rule.
@@TheNobananaman yeah I don’t see why it should ever get removed. Especially if everyone is still alive in the game. Olivia crimson bride is a crazy good card for this deck though so I still recommend throwing her into it
I was already excited for this deck, but this guide definitely kicked it up a notch! Thoughtful analysis in the article and a great quick watch. Thanks for sharing your expertise, Tomer!
A card I'm excited to use with this deck is Inspiring Statuary. Blood tokens now double as mind stones!
I dont get that card, with that we ll be able top blood tokens as mana ? (im a beginner)
@@SuperTominou essentially yes. It give all of your non-artifact spells Improvise (you may tap artifacts to pay for 1 generic mana for each artifact you tap). Since this deck makes a lot of blood tokens and doesn't have many artifact spells, it's basically super ramp
@@VultureNumbers Thanks, it ll be crazy in this deck :O
@@SuperTominou hope you enjoy it as much as I will :)
I play inspiring statuary and had 10 blood tokens in play, it was a bloody good time 😂
As someone who has been playing this deck since release, theres 1 thing no one wants to talk about. Adaptability. This deck has insane Adaptability options, the tokens give a solid draw as long as you can keep strefan or other vamps on the field, Markov enforcer is a decent 6/6 token engine clearer and arterial alchemy turns the tokens into +2/+0 equipment. And magma rager is a good deterrent. Out of the box it's pretty solid
I would consider adding Alhammarret's Archive to the deck, it basically makes the blood tokens waaaay better.
It's a solid inclusion yeah
Totally love these tips and I'm going to use some. I'm already taking this deck in a vampire bloodtoken artifacts matter sort of way. Ping for damage, get a lot of blood tokens and then use Inspired Statuary to improvise everything and DarkSteel Juggernaut as a big baddy. 😎
14:36 Pointed Discussion's life loss will create an additional token with Strefan out, neat interaction
Hey bro just want to thank you. Because of this vid I bought my first ever precon deck. Going to try upgraded it as you recommended and after many many games I'm going to see if I can improve it in my own way
Great guide, the first thing I thought of when I saw the precon list was "Where is Olivia's attendants!? That's like the best cards for this deck!" I am sad to see vampiric dragon go. Speaking of Vampiric dragon, did you consider Immersturm Predator? Seems dece
I now patiently wait for the blood rites ixelan upgrade guide this is such a good video
When are we gonna get the deck tech on Goad Tribal with Kamber & Laurine? 👀
Thank you for not making this another Worldgorger Dragon combo deck. They did it to Anje, so I figured it wouldnt be too much of a stretch to do it here either.
Thanks Im new in commander, your video helps me a lot
Tbh I don't see Breath of Fury working well with Strefan because he won't generate more Blood tokens by additional main phases because the blood token generation only triggers at the end step. So as far as I see it, you wouldn't generate more blood tokens, just sacrifice another creature each turn. I swapped it out for Relentless Assault. One additional combat phase without having to sacrifice anything sounds better to me.
I think changing "Urge to Feed" for "Terminal Agony" is a bad choice. The -3 to me just seems more powerful and its instant speed all the time. Where Terminal is only instant when you can discard.
I like scavenger grounds in this deck, bojuka bog on instant speed on all graves, yes please, and with ifnir deadlands and ramunap ruins there are 2 other deserts in this so you dont't even have to sac itself (most of the time you do, but hey it's an option)
Infinite combo just by adding a sacrifice outlet
Sac outlet + bloodline necromander + scion of opulence + molten echoes = infinite mana, infinite hasted bloodline necromancer tokens.
So I can see that the pre-con has Swiftfoot Boots but it appears to be taking off what I don’t understand is what did you replace it with?
Hey! I made the upgrade, thank you! I also got Daretti...which card would u take out for him?
What to cut for sorin imperious bloodlord
Pretty sure Mayhem Devil would be great here
I think you keep kambar in the deck he works with both the primary team in sub theme of the deck well and you don’t have to have the other partner in there to play this card
17:00
Damnable Pact is not about mana efficiency. It never was.
It is about refilling your hand with options.
And for additinol mana it also provides hand sculpting
This is huge for a color pair that is hungry for stuff to do.
Looting for cards each turn when you need an answer for a problem on the board yesterday =/= drawing 10 cards and putting reanimation targets in the graveyard to boot.
If you do not understand the difference between looting and damn-pact, and only look at mana efficiency - then you are not a black player
I understand how the card works thanks. You can both refill your hand and do it more efficiently than Pact.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander im just giving the full break down on the card.
Saying an X-spell is not efficient, is the most obvious hot take on an X -spell ever.
No X-spell is efficient. Their power lies in their flexibility. 🤪
I am just providing the full context of the card to the people interested in having options
Anyone thinking of picking this up and swamping the face commander for Edgar ? I have Edgar sitting in my binder and was hoping to use him finally .
Edgar markov? Nah cuz this whole deck wants to make blood tokens
vampiric bloodline (strefan) or blood rites (clavileno), which is better?
Bro, I won with mob rule against goblins its an instant win, it took out everybody, personally I can't take it out. I also used sinister waltz to perfection, there were two cards and my commander in my graveyard, the guy chose my commander so I put the cards with life link back in.
what's a card to cut for sorin with basically the same deck list or would one of the adds not be added.
“Ok so first we gonna upgrade the commander to edgarmarkov “
Inspired statuary and Fireweaver make blood tokens become public enemy number one when you're just pumping out free mana/damage per token
5:30
The point of mob rule is not to sacrifice your opponents creatures. It is a finisher.
It takes all blockers off the field essentially and opens a path to either the whole board, or at least a pesky control player that is preventing your from breaking parity
*Breaking parity is the primary effect of how anyone wins commander* when someone begins to break parity even slightly they are now immediately in first place
This card is a great finisher and I would never take it out. Also it is fun for a goad sub theme in the deck just to keep the game fun
I'm aware how to win games of commander thanks. Feel free to make / not make any changes you want, but this upgraded version wins just fine without Mob Rule and I daresay it's better off without it.
@@MTGGoldfishCommander
I am not sating it is necessarily the best card. But your primary explanation for taking it out had to do with sacrificing creatures.
I was simply stating that sacrificing is not it’s primary objective. And that it is a great finisher that is fun.
*The bold letters in my last comment were supposed to be italic as a side note.
"Predator's Howl" 14:09
Precon upgrade guide buy Edgar 2017 deck and this deck and combine. Your good
Hey,
can i do it?
strefan attacks, use 2 tokens and summon olivia Attacking and return creature from grave from olivia effect??
nah, been over this a lot in my local shop
@@Leon-bt7gw why not?
@@chuvacaindo just look it up mane im not google, i gave you the answer
@@Leon-bt7gw you just dont know how to explain it, but thank you for that
@@chuvacaindo bc i dont have to , i know the ruiling and if anybody is unclear i can simply look it up and show them
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Would Sorin, Imperious Bloodlord be good inclusion?
Absolutely!
Faith Of The Devoted. Discard a card, pay 1 and drain everyone!
But... I like the flavor of vampiric dragon...
Then keep it! The art is fantastic
Um. Your graphic on ratios doesn't match your audio. The numbers are all off
Sorry about that I pasted the wrong ratios in the video! The audio is correct
@@MTGGoldfishCommander no worries, it happens
for only 50 dollars more you can remove all that and make sorin markov your commander and gg
Which one?