@@carado1984 depend the gear! 1-3 yes after 4 probably 100% throttle = 100% throttle body open! Normaly on the dyno we supposed to run on 4th if im not wrong!
Nothing new from Ducati. Lol. Same with their weights. Always using “dry weight” as their measuring basis, when fully fueled they weight no less than the typical liter bike
@@darkknight17 The SDR EVO, fifth position on the list. Makes as much torque at 4k as the rest of the bikes ever do. And lacks a giant dip in the torque curve (yes, I know, the BMW runs better (vicious!) with a new map, but so does the SDR. ;-)
I'll take the KTM thanks, more torque at 4000 rpm than the others at any rpm. This is what punches you forward in a hurry, true road performance, the track is another story of course but I ride my bike on the street.
That V4 sound though!!!....kudos to the KTM twin with it's powerful grunt and power on this list. Although I prefer the inline 4's I can't get enough of the sound of the v4's.
@@ferociousfrankie There were 3 main things that wrecked the bike for me. First, on deceleration the throttle would auto blip around 4,000 - 4,500 RPM. I assume that may have been some kind emissions strategy - in any case it was annoying as hell. Second, the seating ergonomics were... weird. Something about the stock bar bend and/or location just didn't gel for me. Rotating in the clamps did not fix. Third, and the most annoying was the switch gear. The non-clicking / no tactile feedback "wobbly tooth" turn signal switch must have been the biggest ergonomic failure in the history of turn signal switches. Seriously I can't imagine what would possess a company to fit such a part. It may seem like a small point, but it just enraged me every single time I had to signal on the bike. Then the hi/low beam switch would constantly and inadvertently activate upon being brushed by the side of a finger, like when pulling the clutch lever. And the "+" and "-" buttons on the left side would also inadvertently get switched while riding. On the throttle side, the little mode selector switch would also inadvertently activate when operating the front brake lever. Complete and utter ergonomic fail on the part of the 1290 design team.
I commented I've been interested in a Tuono but lack of dealer/support keeps me from doing it. I too have a mt10 and a new 3rd gen mt09. If a healthy running mt10 won't do it for you I guess your going to have to pull out your wallet to flip for the streetfighter v4 or the new bmw m1000r. That bmw is truly awesome......for $25+k.
@@dg8062 Yep the current MT10 is quite a bike as an overall package. This is my second MT10 - other was previous gen. It is just like putting on a well worn pair of boots or gloves. Everything works, well, and doesn't require thought or piss me off. All mental energy is available for riding. They are pretty darn good on the race track too. For going faster than the MT10, IMO a rider may be better off just getting a Superbike as opposed to a more powerful naked. The wind blast on the nakeds is pretty limiting even at MT10 power levels. I am a big R1 fan (on my third one) for the same reason as I like the MT10... everything just works as it should without a lot of mental energy being occupied by anything other than going fast, and watching for cops if on the street. And even on the track, much less the street, have I ever thought "I sure wish this thing could make more power".
@Philip Darnall That is interesting. What sort of issues? Only asking because I have a '22 1290 SAS and over 5000 miles of hard running in the Ozarks and not any issues. Obviously detuned compared to the EVO...maybe EVO is a bit too high-strung?
@@Bow-to-the-absurdBecause most of these are, at least in spirit, built for the track. Then they’re neutered with emissions and noise controls to make them road legal. Surely you can grasp that concept. Also there’s no emissions testing where I live, and many other places. So my race piped and mapped tuono is totally road legal.
you mean what? when it co es to max performance topend power rules and maybe how wide is peak power in regard to diffrenc between gear lenght all other rpm is basicslly useless on racetrack 👌🏻
Where's the Harley fan boys at?? Screaming how great their bikes are? Reliable? Umm no.. Power? Umm no.. I bet you could test a top 20 and not a single Harley would make the list.
Loving my energica. Sub 2.5s to 60 and a fusion reactors worth of torque from zero mph at any stage of revs. Humiliates even some Superbikes unless they are on it and in their band.
Rather surprising results. I've wanted a tuono but lack of dealer network/support in a major metro area (seattle) is the reason why I won't. That's ok, I've got a healthy running mt10 that never fails to entertain!
@@cookinsdabest what he means are the bikes components, the engine is essentially the same since 2009 with minor changed like the cylinder bore. I mean even the main frame is still the same with only now getting a new swingarm after all these years, they're basically doing it like porsche , refining the same concept up to perfection instead of completely reinventing the bike every two model years like most other do
@@afletra Many fast cars have similar power / torque numbers, 500hp / 500 ft-lb... Fast bikes have a lot of power but half the torque, like 150hp / 75 ft-lb...
hold weight down= small displacement than they must put peak torq as high as posibble in sports bike for get good max power numbers which make bikes accelersate fast on track where you hold engien all the time in peak pwoer band literally 👌🏻 thats why ., + they cant use turbo etc for racing regulation .,and max from naturally aspirsted engine with typical construction like single ,V2 ,parallele 2 , inline 4 v4 ,boxer asf what you can generste from 1000 ccm dispalcement is around 120 nm and say 👋🏻 to wall 😉woth typicall 90-110 nm from 1000 cc 👍🏻 put 2 litres turbo avg car engine with 100 hp and 300 nm into superbike frame and now you have heavy 🐳 which is slow in corner and slow in accelerstion and slow in braking comapre to stock aprilia rsv bmw s1000 rr or whatever cbr 1000 rr r it be even slower than 600 cc supersport on track 🤭both in dragrace and on trafk circle with corners but for daily riding ypu will have massive lowend and very relax calm low rpm 👍🏻 beside this fix only to sport bike and midle sport bike let say vs feg bike like h-d and other big cruiser have more like typical car engine charactersitcs so more torq than hp in nm units and similar in lbf ft to hp units 👍🏻 or still even more and theose engine work on lower more relax calm rpm what like typical cruiser rider 👍🏻 vs typocal pure sport rider 💩 on this they are interest only inpeak performance which specific bike can deliver dosentmatter at how high rpm 👍🏻
Dang Aprilia 190 at the wheel before a simple tune. That is incredible from the boys in Noale.
That's a massive delta between claimed and wheel horsepower for the Ducati.
@@carado1984 depend the gear! 1-3 yes after 4 probably 100% throttle = 100% throttle body open! Normaly on the dyno we supposed to run on 4th if im not wrong!
Nothing new from Ducati. Lol. Same with their weights. Always using “dry weight” as their measuring basis, when fully fueled they weight no less than the typical liter bike
And the torque curves make it clear which is the best choice for the street. I’ll take the fifth. ;-)
What bike is that?
@@darkknight17 The SDR EVO, fifth position on the list. Makes as much torque at 4k as the rest of the bikes ever do. And lacks a giant dip in the torque curve (yes, I know, the BMW runs better (vicious!) with a new map, but so does the SDR. ;-)
Says the KTM fanboy.
@@Tdfries Absolutely. And for good reason.
I'I'll take a Gen 3 Hayabusa...
I'll take the KTM thanks, more torque at 4000 rpm than the others at any rpm. This is what punches you forward in a hurry, true road performance, the track is another story of course but I ride my bike on the street.
Yeah brother.
Well said, same here! 👍👍
The 1290 is the torque king!
It'll shine on tight tracks with short straights.
👍🏻well said .
That V4 sound though!!!....kudos to the KTM twin with it's powerful grunt and power on this list. Although I prefer the inline 4's I can't get enough of the sound of the v4's.
I pay my internet bill for video like this.
I probably watch YT more than my TV.
"Most poweful EU motorcyles "no japanese motorcyles
Most powerful is most powerful...
You think, maybe, there were no bikes from Japanese manufacturers in the top 5?
because there is no japanese in the top 5
They may have not dyno’d any of the big Jap bikes this year due to there being no big updates to them.
The only jap bike that can be up there is the h2 and even then stock they only do like 180-190
The 1290 power is really incredible. I sold mine and went back to a MT10 as the bike had too many shortcomings, but the power was crazy fun.
Can you say the shortcomings? I'm curious.
@@ferociousfrankie There were 3 main things that wrecked the bike for me. First, on deceleration the throttle would auto blip around 4,000 - 4,500 RPM. I assume that may have been some kind emissions strategy - in any case it was annoying as hell.
Second, the seating ergonomics were... weird. Something about the stock bar bend and/or location just didn't gel for me. Rotating in the clamps did not fix.
Third, and the most annoying was the switch gear. The non-clicking / no tactile feedback "wobbly tooth" turn signal switch must have been the biggest ergonomic failure in the history of turn signal switches. Seriously I can't imagine what would possess a company to fit such a part. It may seem like a small point, but it just enraged me every single time I had to signal on the bike. Then the hi/low beam switch would constantly and inadvertently activate upon being brushed by the side of a finger, like when pulling the clutch lever. And the "+" and "-" buttons on the left side would also inadvertently get switched while riding. On the throttle side, the little mode selector switch would also inadvertently activate when operating the front brake lever. Complete and utter ergonomic fail on the part of the 1290 design team.
@Lean It thanks for this, appreciate a real owner's insight.
I commented I've been interested in a Tuono but lack of dealer/support keeps me from doing it. I too have a mt10 and a new 3rd gen mt09. If a healthy running mt10 won't do it for you I guess your going to have to pull out your wallet to flip for the streetfighter v4 or the new bmw m1000r. That bmw is truly awesome......for $25+k.
@@dg8062 Yep the current MT10 is quite a bike as an overall package. This is my second MT10 - other was previous gen. It is just like putting on a well worn pair of boots or gloves. Everything works, well, and doesn't require thought or piss me off. All mental energy is available for riding. They are pretty darn good on the race track too.
For going faster than the MT10, IMO a rider may be better off just getting a Superbike as opposed to a more powerful naked. The wind blast on the nakeds is pretty limiting even at MT10 power levels.
I am a big R1 fan (on my third one) for the same reason as I like the MT10... everything just works as it should without a lot of mental energy being occupied by anything other than going fast, and watching for cops if on the street. And even on the track, much less the street, have I ever thought "I sure wish this thing could make more power".
Holy shit look at the Panigale torque curve. Steady as a brick.
Straight to the point
I wonder which is of these will be most reliable up to 20k miles
Any of these will do 20k miles lol. Ok maybe not the KTM but still-
@@fokjohnpainkiller I've got 70k miles on an old 990, what am I doing wrong?
None of them! My 1290 has been a shop queen.
@Philip Darnall That is interesting. What sort of issues? Only asking because I have a '22 1290 SAS and over 5000 miles of hard running in the Ozarks and not any issues. Obviously detuned compared to the EVO...maybe EVO is a bit too high-strung?
@@fokjohnpainkiller any bike will get to those miles. I'm talking about how much it will cost to get it there. I'm talking service costs, etc
The noise restrictions on throttle % is killing most at the top end
Should do them all again tuned on a race pipe.
And then be road illegal?
Why?
@@Bow-to-the-absurdBecause most of these are, at least in spirit, built for the track. Then they’re neutered with emissions and noise controls to make them road legal. Surely you can grasp that concept. Also there’s no emissions testing where I live, and many other places. So my race piped and mapped tuono is totally road legal.
@daz636 road illegal? what sad state are you living in 😥
@@JpOcDenver what?
@@user-yk9sz9mh1t my mistake. I thought you were replying to my comment.
Lol such a pissing contest. Bragging rights at the coffee shop.
“5 Most Power…” Have the editors all left Motorcyclist?
The Aprilia sounds the best.
100% I own 3 Tuono's for that reason
1290, most torque
Didn’t get a chance to dyno H2 ?
That Double R, baby 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
If we were talking torque, then the Triumph Rocket 3 would be on top 😊
.. Unless a Boss Hoss showed up, in which case it would run away with both HP and torque!
@@AIRDRAC True haha
Had one. Throttle is the hand of God. Stunning thing. Like a Chiron Supersport, just mad. On streets it's hard to believe it's legal.
They all must be restricted to some extent. To keep the top speeds under 186 mph.
Thanks, it would also be interesting to see them rated by torque, which matters way more than HP in my world.
you mean what? when it co es to max performance topend power rules and maybe how wide is peak power in regard to diffrenc between gear lenght all other rpm is basicslly useless on racetrack 👌🏻
love it
All the bikes stock?
Where's the Harley fan boys at??
Screaming how great their bikes are?
Reliable? Umm no..
Power? Umm no..
I bet you could test a top 20 and not a single Harley would make the list.
h-d are very good bikes fpr what they are made 😉👌🏻 …. but like each other literally🤐
Loving my energica. Sub 2.5s to 60 and a fusion reactors worth of torque from zero mph at any stage of revs. Humiliates even some Superbikes unless they are on it and in their band.
The super duke with the torque numbers from hell… Give me the Superduke!
Now that's surprising
Yikes, that BMW hp graph looks like Swiss Cheese.
That bmw was down on power
No Ninja H2 ? Shame on you
Rather surprising results. I've wanted a tuono but lack of dealer network/support in a major metro area (seattle) is the reason why I won't. That's ok, I've got a healthy running mt10 that never fails to entertain!
Yeh aprillia have a dumb distribution model even in Australia very limited. But I went and bought one and love it! Best bike I’ve owned
Uh, there is a very highly regarded Aprilia dealer right across Lake Washington in Bellevue. Literally a 15 minute drive from DT Seattle haha
Speedy bois
what no zx14r? What in the hell man.. ??
Japanese engineers is watching 👀
No speed triple?
nice
Thrilling... 🤦🏻♂️
That Aprilia is incredible for how old it is
It's a 2022
@@cookinsdabest what he means are the bikes components, the engine is essentially the same since 2009 with minor changed like the cylinder bore. I mean even the main frame is still the same with only now getting a new swingarm after all these years, they're basically doing it like porsche , refining the same concept up to perfection instead of completely reinventing the bike every two model years like most other do
@@factoryrider9537 oh, cool.
@@factoryrider9537 100% I own 3 Tuono's for those reason ;-)
@@DukeOfTwist i own one for 6 years and sold it for reliability issue! This bike is pain! Aprilia is love and hate relashionship!
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All revs, no torque...
The 1290 SD has 80+ lbft at 4,000 rpm.....really, no torque?
Duke destroys in torque
Where are the Japanese bikes? This video is worthless the cbr1000rr-r got 165.45hp on your dyno and the first bike only produced 161hp..
cbr 1000 rr r have limited power on us market 👌🏻
I would like to see the 2019- Ninja H2, it is claimed a 230hp bike but is it? I know a stock 2015-2018 with a flash could go up to 240hp
@@carado1984 the 2019 onwards? I know that Kawasaki closes one of the throttle at high rpm
That title... also, another major outlet continuing to focus on and forward the wrong aspects of motorcycling. How can you get it wrong?
Why do bikes only have *half* the torque compared to cars?
(*Edit: can't spelh...*)
not sure what you mean
Car engines are designed to pull more weight. They are tuned for torque.
Heavier engine internals
Bikes are designed for rpm over torque, mostly.
@@afletra Many fast cars have similar power / torque numbers, 500hp / 500 ft-lb... Fast bikes have a lot of power but half the torque, like 150hp / 75 ft-lb...
hold weight down= small displacement than they must put peak torq as high as posibble in sports bike for get good max power numbers which make bikes accelersate fast on track where you hold engien all the time in peak pwoer band literally 👌🏻 thats why ., + they cant use turbo etc for racing regulation .,and max from naturally aspirsted engine with typical construction like single ,V2 ,parallele 2 , inline 4 v4 ,boxer asf what you can generste from 1000 ccm dispalcement is around 120 nm and say 👋🏻 to wall 😉woth typicall 90-110 nm from 1000 cc 👍🏻 put 2 litres turbo avg car engine with 100 hp and 300 nm into superbike frame and now you have heavy 🐳 which is slow in corner and slow in accelerstion and slow in braking comapre to stock aprilia rsv bmw s1000 rr or whatever cbr 1000 rr r it be even slower than 600 cc supersport on track 🤭both in dragrace and on trafk circle with corners but for daily riding ypu will have massive lowend and very relax calm low rpm 👍🏻 beside this fix only to sport bike and midle sport bike let say vs feg bike like h-d and other big cruiser have more like typical car engine charactersitcs so more torq than hp in nm units and similar in lbf ft to hp units 👍🏻 or still even more and theose engine work on lower more relax calm rpm what like typical cruiser rider 👍🏻 vs typocal pure sport rider 💩 on this they are interest only inpeak performance which specific bike can deliver dosentmatter at how high rpm 👍🏻
Certainly a boring video.