Is Michael Jordan, Nikola Jokić, or another star the greatest pick in NBA history? | UNDISPUTED
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- Skip Bayless, Paul Pierce and Keyshawn Johnson debate who the greatest pick in NBA history is with Michael Jordan and Nikola Jokić's names thrown in.
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Keyshawn trying to lecture Paul pierce about Nikola Jokic makes me want to rip my ears off
Is Keyshawn really this dumb? I always just figured he heeded his inner fanboy too much. But now I'm starting to wonder.
Not dumb. Dumb is person who compares players from different era and can not be held to the same standard. He just can't.
This era, ueah sure, he is killing it.
@@Lomno12No, its dumb. By every metric imaginable it’s dumb. Smh
And he’s just completely wrong. Jokic isn’t gonna guard Shaq OBVIOUSLY, but Shaq isn’t guarding Jokic either. Jokic will pull him out to the 3 point line in the pick and roll and annihilate him in the 2 man game. These delusional “analysts” think basketball is played one on one. It’s not.
@@0207xander Jokic could guard Shaq if he wasn't allowed to lower his shoulder. That's the primary reason that teams had to double is because the NBA didn't follow the rules for Shaq, who was not a good shooter otherwise. That in turn created free threes for the Lakers all the time. If you go back and look at the tape, the Lakers offense was often feed Shaq in the post and then put four guys on the three line. It created an open three on virtually every possession. The Lakers still weren't that good at making them, so a lot of fake fouls for Kobe and Shaq were called as well.
Keyshawn trying to talk basketball is like beetlejuice trying to do math
Or spelling
😭😭😭
Rachel or Brou talking football is worse to me.
That’s a good one 😂
Or Floyd mayweather trying to read
Jokic is the greatest steal of all time. I mean he’s on a top 10 all time trajectory(if all goes right), and got drafted with the 41st pick. They had a damn Taco Bell commercial playing when he was drafted. Jordan was drafted with the 3rd pick, Hakeem over MJ is obviously wrong but it isn’t as egregious as taking Sam Bowie over MJ. Another underrated one is Greg Oden over KD which was obviously a horrendous pick.
You’re doing the ‘worst’ picks of all time segment :)
hakeem over MJ wasnt really wrong. Hakeem was doing better when he hot Ralph Sampson with him.
nah he aint passsing steph. only has 1 ring never scored more then 28 ppg a season. Assist stats are subjektively given there is no two or three dribbles the stat counter decides
@@DD-rk6kn Did you just say bc he's never scored 28 ppg in a season so he can''t go past steph? Who cares. He just went 4 straight post seasons scoring over 28 a game. He scores more ppg in the playoffs than Curry. No he is not above Curry now, but to use not scoring above 28 ppg in the regular season as a reason he ain't passing steph makes no sense.
@@rlh12345 Jokic aint a good defender so his offense is gonna impact his legacy. So scoring is relevant it makes perfect sense. i like jokic but the glaze is crazy. He is right were giannis is right now. if he wins two more rings we can start discussing jokic as a top 10 player. his inside game is all time great but please dont come with efficiency he scores over 75% of his shoots inside the paint. Guards and wingers take more diffcult shoots from the perimeter so ofc efficiencies are lower
Is this actually a debate??? Jokić was drafted in the 2nd round at pick 41 in 2014 , he has won 3 MVPs , 6x all NBA , FMVP , a 6x all star & HES ONLY BEEN IN THE LEAGUE 9 years that’s 1 mvp every 3 seasons.. BEST SLEEPER PICK OF ALL TIME
Plus brought Denver their only title
And his career is not over yet
@@Darksoldier888 exactly!!
@@SkoomeyGaming Sleeper yes.
Best pick. NO. Not close.
@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154 explain how..
Keyshawn sounds crazy. Jokic can compete with anyone.
To Keyshawn's point the center position is weak today. They're certainly not as dominant as they used to be. Though this might partially be due to the style of basketball we see today.
@jehushaphat Keyshawn hates Jokic because he is white and he owns the Lakers.
Jokic would be another Rick Smiths or Portland's Sabonis in the 90's
I think the dream would dominate jokic tbh🤷🏽♂️
@@blackcobra1981portland’s sabonis was borderline handicapped and a 31 year old rookie… he used to give it to david robinson before he came to the nba
I don’t get it, out of all the analysts they pick Keyshawn who is just terrible
Agree bro but let’s be honest almost all the comments on these videos who is everyone talking about? Keyshawn (for a bad reason) but that’s interactions for FS1 lol
Y’all running a hate campaign on K Johnson he ain’t been doing that bad have an original opinion
@@Tony-wj8hg It discredits the show though.
@@Kyngs_Legynds Lmao if there's a hate campaign on Key, he's the one financing it with his awful takes. He's the analyst equivalent of an NBA player that just throws up half-court bricks all day. And instead of telling him to take better shots, you're cheering him on saying, "well it could've went in."
@@ianmcdonald782its not just "awful takes"
His voice is annoying, he's whiny, he speak over people who have more credibility, he doesnt make sense, he contradicts himself, he plays favorites, he's not very intelligent, he doesn't add anything to the show.
I've never once listened to a Keyshawn take and thought "wow, I never thought of it like that...how insightful".
I literally fast forward when he speaking.
Yes going from 41 to a three time mvp makes u the best pick ever
I lose braincells listening to keyshawn talk 😭
Then don't ever watch perkins talk
How could lose one if you got none?
Hey…. Shut up
Facts
I love your comment! Lol
Keyshawn is a HOF hater of Jokic 🤣🤣
*white people 😂😂😂😂 he does the same thing with Luka lmaooo
He hates whited noyice how upset he gets when skip doesn’t like dak or when skip likes burrow keysgaun gets upset he only likes black players
@@realricky__factz
Lol makes him sick to his stomach that a yt boy is winning all mvps and not his brothas and lakers 😂😂😂😂
I understand they lost, but the way he spoke about Luka, you would think Luka is absolute dog water.
you know why
Jokic is the greatest pick
Keyshawn really struggles with basketball analysis you can tell he only can contribute on the surface level
He struggles with football also
Yea. So often it's....'I don't know' from him. He just sets the bar high for players that he's not a fan of
Keyshawn is just terrible
Yeah he sucks
@@michael7054 He hates Jokic because he is white and he is great
Not as bad as perkins
We can only hope that the producers instruct him to be that way and that it's not his choice...
He shouldn't be allowed to speak about basketball
Keyshawn is the worst pick to replace Shannon of all time
Key gets on my damn nerves.
8:33 funny how skip's 'I was right in the middle of this" means he just watched it on a tv screen like everyone else lol
LOL facts.
Nah tbf Skip was a reporter at the time
@@nathanclements6635 yes and he watched it on a tv screen like everyone else
@@nathanclements6635And what do you think reporters do?
Kick keyshawn out and just have paul and skip bro PLEASE 😭🙏
I would agree but you can tell paul and key don't really get along, it wouldn't be as interesting without them going at it sometimes and I bet it will get more and more readily apparent as time goes on. key is annoying, gotta have a annoying guy on the show
@@DanielCombs-qf8iu False they’re childhood friends. Just have alot of disagreements.
@@dj10671 yeah that is my point brother. more interesting with a lot of disagreements, even better they were childhood friends as you claim. gotta love it
@@DanielCombs-qf8iu right on !
@@dj10671 childhood was a long time ago for these two my friend
Keyshawn might be the worst thing that happen in TV history! Hands down
No surprise from Skip. Joker is a 3 time MVP. No one saw this. I would also put Giannis.
Giannis is a great answer too
I’d take Jokić over Shaq..sorry.. YES Shaq will break the backboard and dunk on their head but that’s not what I’m going for.. I’m going for the BEST ALL AROUND and if my 5 can give me 28/14/8 my PG/SG can average around 5-6 a game and my SF averaging around 4-6 I’m good with that , that’s good ball movement and looking for the best possible shot
Why would you want anyone starting to average under 10? Unless they grabbing 20 rebounds that's crazy
@@Pablo-uq6tr I said those numbers as in assists.. not points
@@Pablo-uq6tr as in my PG/SG to average 5-6 assists per game , my SF to average 4-6 assists per game and I’m not saying that’s just for my starters either everyone is getting involved
Replace Jamal Murray with Kobe or D Wade. They would run off championships every year
Its actually pointless for centers to be shooting 3s because then someone else has to do there job of getting the rebound.
Karl Malone being picked at the 13th pick is very ironic
I often defend key but his stupidity reaching another level
how
😂😂😂
You often defend Key? Are you his relative? 😅
@@MikeBNumba6 I tried to see the best in people but I got this 1 dead wrong
Paul DOES have a point joker may not be a offensive juggernaut like prime shaq was… but his shooting and his assists and free throws makes up for what shaq lacks…
Jokic is far more an offensive juggernaut than Shaq. Shaq is bigger and stronger.
Skip "I was there" Bayless 🤣🤣
Jokic should have 4 stright mvps. He is in the convo.
Nah he's the best steal of the draft I would love to see him play against Shaq Ewing Dream Duncan Kareem
Hed play well against them. Jokic is a big boy.
Ewing isn’t on jokers level
If not for Kendrick Perkins pulling the race card, he would have 4 MVPs
@@keithwatson3893why everyone forgets when Shaq started winning the center position sucked.
Skip comes so much more prepared with history, how to structure an argument then Key “when you look at it” Johnson will do
4:19 “ACKYULAYDES”
Cuz he shoots threes??? Why do people act like 3s are like field goals in football. Its part of the game.
A center being able to do it, though, is like seeing an offensive lineman being able to kick 60-yard FGs. It's just a freak of nature thing. Shaq couldn't shoot mid-range jumpers to save his life, let alone threes. Lol.
@TechGuy774 no it's like an offensive lineman scoring a touchdown. Shootings threes isn't a separate part of the game. It's an arbitrary line that represents more points. Players before the 3 point line was implemented would shoot from that distance.
@@robp7438 It's actually pretty easy for an o-lineman to score a TD (particularly if they're being handed the ball in the backfield at the goal line). Threes are a lot harder for a center to make, historically.
@@NothingElseMatters777you don’t know football
@@danielbattle7620 Yes I do. I've been watching my entire life. If you don't think that it's easier for a 280-300 lb. o-lineman to score from the 1 yard line than a 220 lb. RB - I don't know what else I can say to help you out there.
Best steal draft: Jokic no debate
Best 1st overall Draft: LeBron no debate
Best Draft with the most impacted: MJ no debate
Best 1st overall is Kareem no debate at all.
@@gandalftheghetto1172 i would agree if magic was 2nd overall
@@gandalftheghetto1172its Lebron. Dead it with the Kareem take brother! 😂😂😂 If Lebron is 2nd greatest of all-time on most peoples list, then why would Kareem be the greatest #1 pick of all-time?
Jordan is the greatest pick in “NBA” history… he did more for the whole league than the others mentioned even did for their teams
True, but he also had some all time great teamates.
@@salezvrI think what he meant was his impact on the league and his high level play. That had nothing to do with his teammates.
😂 LeBron James, no comparison. #1 pick, didn't go to college, and from day 1 to date at the highest level. Jordan pick #3
@@Eric-hg5hf lebron couldn’t even bring the team that drafted him more than one ring and he bounced on them soon as the going got tough lebron isn’t even top 10 in this discussion… longevity stats don’t help in this one
Bill Russell did way more than Jordan, he even won as coach. Over 10 rings. And he was humble.
P’s suit game is nice
Greatest NBA "picks" per value for their OG team.
1. Joker (41)
2. Kobe (technically for hornets, but ever played for them so it counts) (13)
3. Manu (57)
4. MJ (3)
5. Steph curry (7)
6. Bird (6)
7. Draymond green (27)
8. Tony Parker (28)
9. Giannis (13)
10. Karl Malone (13)
You have Giannis too low
Kawhi?
To think bird fell to 6 after his college career is crazy
@@dirkfade113 that's not what happened, Red auerbach took advantage of obscure rule, no one knew that Bird was eligible for the 78 draft except...Red.
Giannis was 15th round
Joker is actually a good answer.
He’s in the debate. To answer the question Paul is right
All they had to do at the end of this was just ask themselves(all 3 of them), right now, what would you rather have, Jordan in the 3rd spot, Kobe in the 13th spot, or Jokic in the 41st spot.
Hate on Skip as much as u want, this man knows stats and history of the game.
It has to be Jokic, picked 41st overall in the 2nd round of the 2014 draft, 3x MVP, Finals MVP, 6x All NBA, 6x All Star and that’s only after 9 seasons being in the NBA.
Keyshawn don’t never need to talk ball again he said jokic not in the conversation with them is crazy
Jokić so great they still don't know how to say his name right 🤦
Bruhhh im done fr until football...how key is still talking basketball is amazing
Jordan made the NBA as popular as it is now, so i would say him.
I enjoy keyshan, you never know what dumb thing he'll say next, it's funny
It’s simple if you know the game….
Michael Jordan is the greatest player & career in NBA history.
Russell is the most winningest ever in team sports.
Kareem has the greatest basketball career EVER, so far.
ShaQ was the most dominant ever.
Wilt & LBJ are the most talented & durable.
This guy gets it.
Mj did not have the greatest NBA career
Well, looks like you don't know the game 😐
@@JayK07 MJ is the reason the NBA is what it is today. The man dragged the NBA from a drug filled league that was the 4th or 5 most popular league in America to being a multi billion dollar corporation that's the 2nd or 3rd most popular league in the world
@@JayK07 85’ ROTY one of the best rookie seasons ever 28.5 PPG 6 RPG 5 APG 2.5 SPG
86’ injured til playoffs then drops franchise record on Boston.
87’ avg. 37.1 PPG while being historically great on defense 2.9 SPG 1.5 BPG
88’ GREATEST INDIVIDUAL SEASON EVER
35 PPG 5.9 APG 5.5 RPG 3.2 SPG 1.6 BPG
1st MVP
DPOY
89’ ROBBED of another MVP took bulls to conference 32.5 PPG 8 APG 8 RPG 2.9 SPG .8 BPG, loses to DET Conf Finals
90’ Another MVP season, his second.
33.6 PPG 6.3 APG 6.9 RPG 2.8 SPG
Defeated in Conf Finals to DET
91’ -93 First 3Peat, vs Magic lead Lakers
Avg the most APG (11.4) in Finals history not named Magic Johnson.
Then defeated Drexler Blazers while recording a 3P masterpiece and record.
Third title victory against Barkley and Suns where he avg over 40 PPG.
Still the most ever in Finals history.
94-95’ RETIREMENT, Space Jam, #45, the return in 95’ (bulls were a losing team by then) DOUBLE NICKEL vs Knicks, loses to ORL in ECF.
96-98’ WIN. WIN. WIN., player acquisition Rodman, 72-10 w/the ring,
Beat Gary’s Super Sonic in 6.
Beat the UTA almost dynasty TWICE.
Back to back.
Sinks “The Shot”
Retires… again.
01-03’ The actual last dance… Wizards.
MJ plays for WAS at 40 years old,
21.4 PPG 4.4 APG 5.9 RPG 1.5 SPG
Multiple 40 PT, and 50 PT game (record)
No postseason success
Rib and knee Injury
Retires forever.
Yo why yall killing Key like this? 😂😂😂
Only way jokic gets guys like Keyshawn’s respect is if he changes his daddy to a black man. Could win 5more rings and they’ll still say he wasn’t HIM
Jordan made it possible for all these dudes to get paid! He didn’t lift a franchise he lifted a league! Literally.
Shoutout to Gil’s Arena
why
Jokic - greatest steal in NBA draft history
Kobe - best draft pick in NBA history
Jordan - greatest draft pick in NBA history
can everyone be happy now?
Key mad cause joker owns Lebalco 😂
No it’s because he’s whitev
Paul Pierce just hit the nail right on the head.
Maan, Key's a hater. Kobe was picked 13 (1st round). And we talking over 20yrs. However, to be 41st pick and 9yrs in the league? He already has 3MVPs 1 chip. He has to be in the conversation for one of the greatest drafts picks.
And to make it one for one to match up with kobe... imagine if jokic got immediately drafted to cavs in 2014 and basically immediately started his career with lebron as kobe did with shaq... he would of had multiple titles
Drop Keyshawn now
It's clearly Jokić. No one expected that. And why is Key talking about Kobe having 5 titles when he got 3 with Shaq?
FS1 Knows Keyshawn is so terrible that it makes everyone comment or talk about him for bad reasons but it makes money so they gonna keep him he’s a interaction farming machine
Jokic was picked up to be Nurkic back up 😂 bro solidified himself as top 3 current player
Paul Pierce signing is so clutch.
There really isnt a wrong answer. All of their answers were valid.
Jokic got Dream moves and touch. A point guard at center.
Tack så mycket för videon! 🇸🇪
somehow i can tolerate skip saying something terrible but keyshawn just makes me lose braincells
Jokic would have caused big mismatches back in the day he would create so much space and would be wide open at 3 all the time because all those centers would be scared to come out there his playmaking would also cause huge mismatches and still would be able to score in the paint and with floaters jokic is the best draft pick ever at the 41st pick
Everyone getting on Key back like he isn’t there for football season which is the most important time of the year for these talk shows.
Bro Keyshawn act like any of those “guys” can guard jokic, Jokic would score 30 on ANY great center from any era.
Stop. Dwight Howard was bullying him in 2020 and he was old and lost his athleticism. Imagine what prime Dwight, or prime Shaq would do to Jok on both ends
@@MilkiasDebessayshut up.
@@MilkiasDebessay that was not even jokic's prime. He was still a pup
@@MilkiasDebessayJokic was not in his prime. Also if he can't score he will find the way to make his team win
@@MilkiasDebessaythat was when jamaal murray still thought he was the man, and jokic still had the confidence of a 2nd round pick
Honestly I got a 2way tie for the top spot between Draymond & Jokic given what they’ve accomplished as 2nd rd picks ( Dray 35 & Jokic 41 ).. you can go either way in my opinion 🤷🏽♂️
That's pretty fair 💯💪 But he's benefited from playin wit The Greatest shooters Gods Eva known 😂 And Joker is Him Him 💯💪🤞
@@jerodtabb311 not fair at all .. i mean you answered yourself and it's easy(er) to play if you don't need to score at all and in time you are some
"mastermind" of the bball and defense (which is important but you are almost completely resting on offence)
Honest question. Was Shaq a skilled player or was he a dominant player purely by his physicality?
If Jokic was like 10th pick i would argue he is the greatest pick ever but at 41 its not even a debate are yall insane
if bronny didn't get a heart attack in college hed be 1st round pick in draft
Lay off the yayo foo
I would say Magic because he came right in and won
All of the others it took them a while
The comment section is roasting Keyshawn…. 😂😂😂
I would say Joker, Giannis, Manu and Draymond, best value from draft. The far the pick is from the #1 the greatness is way less expected
IF ONE COULD RULE THE CELTICS, THEY WOULD CHOOSE BRONY BEFORE THE LAKERS, AND CALL IT THE "STOP OF MERCY"...!!! 😎😎😎
Drafting Larry Bird one year earlier than anyone expected with the eight pick when he would've been the number one overall pick the next year is the greatest pick at least until the Ginobili or Jokic picks if not ever.
Jokic could not play with Shaq?! 😂 He would not be able to guard Shaq for sure, but common, Shaq was throwing bricks from 3ft distance! Jokic would have triple double with Shaq also, the damage would be huge 100%
Draymond Green is gonna do a podcast saying it's him
Keyshawn talking like he knows basketball will always perplex me
Jaylen Brown is the best pick in NBA history because now that he’s an NBA Final’s champion, he’s now the best NBA player in history.
Here is Skip, getting slick again. "Dean Smith kind of kept the shackles on him..."
Heres why Joker IS in the convo with ALL other Great Big Men:
He can SHOOT better than ALL of them (hes what KAT claims to be)
He can PASS better than ALL of them
3 MVPs is 3 MVPs
Keyshawn should not be allowed to speak on Basketball
Tracy McGrady would of been the goat if he wasn’t banged up
I hate when reporters always say "I was there," as if reporting put them into the action.
Keyshawn has perfected the confused look
Klay, draymond, rondo, parker, ginobilli, kawhi, jimmy butler, donovan mitchell were all middle of the pack or late draft picks
I used to think Paul was always high with his takes. But since joining first take he’s been their #1 analyst
The G.O.A.T MJ is the greatest draft pick
I'm in shambles saying this, worried for my mental fortitude, but i gotta say for the first time in my life... I agree with PP
Keyshawn needs to do some homework: Kobe deliberately held back during workouts with other teams so they won’t pick him, he did that to go to the lakers, Jerry West had a deal under the table at the time.
Michael, Magic, and Bird. Then everybody else.
I mean, he probably can’t defend like some of those dudes, maybe he can’t beat people up like Shaq did, but I’m sure no one of them could pass it like he does. 3 MVPs, 1 FMVP, 1 ring and those stats get you 100% in the conversation
I personally go with Steph Curry. Even though he was a #7 pick, I think that for his size he more than overachieved: 2x MVPs, 4x Champion, All-Time 3 Point Leader, literally changed the game of basketball. Jokic feels like an obvious choice and while he's overachieved too, I am of the opinion that Big Men are built to dominate the game of basketball and I genuinely feel that everyone his size who has done less has underachieved. For a guy like Steph to do what he's done as a player, for his franchise, for the league, and for the sport, I think that he at least deserves a mention here. Maybe when Jokic's career is over I'll change my mind but if Jokic somehow finishes his career with just these 3x MVPs and one title I wonder if many will feel different.
Bill Russell is easily the best pick of all time. 9 rings in his first 10 years
Joker is the best steal off all time tho
New rule mvp must also make 1st or second team defense this is getting out of hand
When it comes to basketball the answer is always Jordan. The GOAT OF ALL GOATS 🐐
Keyshawn living in the 80s. Jokic cooking everyone except maybe shaq
Player 1 career 23.7 points, 10.9 rebounds, 2.5 assists
Player 2 career 20.9 points, 10.7 rebounds and 6.9 assists
who you taking?
Keyshawn talking basketball is like bronny going number 1 in the draft tonight it’s disrespectful to basketball
5:56 “ackyulaydes”
No he couldn't stop shaq but shaq wouldn't stop him either
Keyshawn stop it! -Shaq
The hate towards Jokic from this circusant Keyshawn is next level.
1-10 are expected to be great. But the 41st pick to do all that is amazing!!!