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Great observation at 3:57 ! We are actually working on the same thing for my daughter’s FH stroke. Her take back is like that of Dimitrov’s old high loopy take back with the arm being almost straight on the drop - with racquet head somewhat facing forward… we want that racquet to point a bit more forward with elbow a little bit more bent and, straighten out that high loop (because it can cause being late to the ball) Small tiny details but it has been extremely difficult to make those changes. Seems like we fix one thing and something else will fall apart, it can definitely be frustrating. Thanks for the video!
2 different incoming balls. 1 is coming at lower ankle, meaning ball more likely has more pace, hence less time, less take back and lower racket head height. 2nd ball in much higher hence ball more likely coming slower therefore more time to flatten the shot hence bigger take back and higher racket head. my 2 cents.
Fed made this change as well as he got more used to the RF97 and adapting to the constantly evolving game. In 2013 and 2014 he still had the PS90 motion and by 2017 when he won the Sunshine double he had perfected the timing on a shorter more whippy stroke. He tried a whippy wristier shot with the PS90 in 2012 but was less successful with it than he was with the PS97. Of course the 2017 run was also powered by the neo backhand. Key here is that the slot happens at the side of the body vs the older style (which is Alcaraz's) where the slot happens a bit behind the body. Wonder if Alcaraz will make this change this as he ages and loses arm velocity.
Great explanation. Now it looks more like Jannik Sinners forhand.which is a lover compact swing to make him taking the ball on the rise also ? The point that tennis is becomming even more fast these days is great and makes it super facinating to watch .Bedst from Copenhagen Denmark.
to me it look like left Grigor is making top spin stroke and to archive this he pronates hand more in preparation phase and right Grigor is driving into the ball more ... technic is almost identical just different body angles due to the shot goal.
When set up properly and having time it likely had more power but if contact was late due to the larger swing path the power were be diminished. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
Great question Sebastian. No doubt Delpo had one of the greatest forehands in the histroy of the game. With the really large loop he utilized I would say the Ferrer forehand is much more repeatable though for most players, especially recreational players.
But for today's game knowing that the game is getting faster and faster which forehand backswing would be more demand Delpo's or Ferrer; knowing that Ferrer's is smaller; knowing that Dimitrov's shorten it either
Definitely a possibility although most proffesional players are playing with significantly heavier racquets than the stock models from the onset of their careers. A heavier racquet does require a significantly more efficient stroke so that observation is spot on! Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
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Great observation at 3:57 ! We are actually working on the same thing for my daughter’s FH stroke. Her take back is like that of Dimitrov’s old high loopy take back with the arm being almost straight on the drop - with racquet head somewhat facing forward… we want that racquet to point a bit more forward with elbow a little bit more bent and, straighten out that high loop (because it can cause being late to the ball) Small tiny details but it has been extremely difficult to make those changes. Seems like we fix one thing and something else will fall apart, it can definitely be frustrating.
Thanks for the video!
2 different incoming balls. 1 is coming at lower ankle, meaning ball more likely has more pace, hence less time, less take back and lower racket head height. 2nd ball in much higher hence ball more likely coming slower therefore more time to flatten the shot hence bigger take back and higher racket head. my 2 cents.
Fed made this change as well as he got more used to the RF97 and adapting to the constantly evolving game. In 2013 and 2014 he still had the PS90 motion and by 2017 when he won the Sunshine double he had perfected the timing on a shorter more whippy stroke. He tried a whippy wristier shot with the PS90 in 2012 but was less successful with it than he was with the PS97. Of course the 2017 run was also powered by the neo backhand. Key here is that the slot happens at the side of the body vs the older style (which is Alcaraz's) where the slot happens a bit behind the body. Wonder if Alcaraz will make this change this as he ages and loses arm velocity.
Great vid! I just noticed the change in his forehand…
His new forehand looks MUCH better!
Great explanation. Now it looks more like Jannik Sinners forhand.which is a lover compact swing to make him taking the ball on the rise also ? The point that tennis is becomming
even more fast these days is great and makes it super facinating to watch .Bedst from Copenhagen Denmark.
There are similarities that's for sure! Thanks for watching Olaf!
New one looks like that 'next gen' Jedi style setup
to me it look like left Grigor is making top spin stroke and to archive this he pronates hand more in preparation phase and right Grigor is driving into the ball more ... technic is almost identical just different body angles due to the shot goal.
Compare both these videos with a similar Federer forehand - the differences are very subtle ..
Yeah he’s a Light Federer, U cans see he’s copy’ing him vry vry much.. Even his serve is roger inspired..
do you think his old FH had more power due to the longer swing path, though?
When set up properly and having time it likely had more power but if contact was late due to the larger swing path the power were be diminished. Hope this helps, thanks for watching!
Which forehand grip does Grigor use?¿ It seems totally an eastern not even an hybryd
Actually a lot more like Fed's now
Very similar indeed!
On the right he’s hitting a higher ball
Does anybody know the name of the software used for this explanation?? I search something like that for private use.
Coach’s Eye
Which forehand backswing do you prefer for today's game and why: Delpo's or Ferrer¿?
Great question Sebastian. No doubt Delpo had one of the greatest forehands in the histroy of the game. With the really large loop he utilized I would say the Ferrer forehand is much more repeatable though for most players, especially recreational players.
But for today's game knowing that the game is getting faster and faster which forehand backswing would be more demand Delpo's or Ferrer; knowing that Ferrer's is smaller; knowing that Dimitrov's shorten it either
The old stroke was more linear. The new one is more rotational.
no more Baby Federer??? Did he really changed from straight elbow forehand to bent elbow forehand? Is it possible after a long carrier?
maybe he made the stroke smaller because his racket is bigger? similar to roger
Definitely a possibility although most proffesional players are playing with significantly heavier racquets than the stock models from the onset of their careers. A heavier racquet does require a significantly more efficient stroke so that observation is spot on! Thanks for the feedback and for watching!
I think it's abbreviated b'z of his aging, I'm 59 and everything got abbreviated . Do we know who helped him, ? I dont he has tech couch
Anyway Djokovic still using what Grigor's does before, the big loop
Let us see the full movements before analysing them, this is so frustrating to watch
But at today's game there still players using a big loop