I had no idea Dre almost died. I am so glad he made it. He is one of the most talented producers and MCs to ever do it. He deserves every ounce of fame and fortune he had.
I was at school lunch I like 7th grade lol😂 my friend told me and I didn’t have a phone back then so I was just thinking.. ever since then he’s been older in my head.. my dad is 54 like they not old.. but he just now appears old which might not ever go away 😢 it was a real weird space of time but I’m so glad he made it, you hear critical condition and you don’t know what the fuck to think
Dre was a visionary there. He just polished a rough diamond into a beautiful gem. That gem is Eminem who is just top 3 rappers of all time and living legend of rap
Dr. Dre had vision. The fact that he wanted to bridge the hip hop world into more than just where young black men come from and understanding that all sorts of people struggle no matter their color is almost as influential as the classic civil rights speakers of the past. Knowing music is the ultimate cure for hate is just genius to me. Plus the Dre and Eminem clicking like they did was amazing. You can hear Eminem all over that 2001 album. Not just his voice, but his style and lyrics and creativity
Em also wrote Forgot about Dre, whole song including Dre’s verses. I know he was also involved with a few tracks that Em didn’t feature in, but helped write them.
@@chrisfrank2664 Em originally wrote that whole song for Dre and Snoop.. which is why I'm happy they settled their beef quick.. Em always looked up to snoop, he just wants the same respect from his idols..
Eminems music is like 2pacs. Their music represents their own era of vibe and feelings when you listen to it. Its like I remember the days where i was in the 90s and 00s. Like a time capsule.
The fact they still to this day refer to each other as the person who saved their life/career is genuinely so wholesome. The amount of respect and gratitude they have for each other is on another level
Whenever I hear Eminems music I go back to the earliest 2000 when I was a little kid, sunday morning, eating cereal, and my older brother was watching music tv channels, em's videos comes on screen and we really enjoyed.. Those were the times....
I got into hip hop because of Eminem. He made me love the genre. Dre took a chance on this cat and he arguably became the greatest. Love these two guys and their great friendship. Nice video!
@@sheilacosby8265I think uk grime has taken over. Dave, Chip, Aitch, Lady Leshur and Stormzy for starters are great. Dont think anyone can match up to the early 2000s. Thats the pinacle of hip hop.
Yep. The greatest hip hop producer of all time and a good rapper/lyricist as well. The Chronic 2001 is one of the greatest albums in music (not just hip hop) full stop, the production, the artists featured, the skits. Everything ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
I love how much respect and credit they give to their providers.. Dre signed em and em always give credit to Dre in his every award ceremony.. Em took 50 in game and 50 always give credit to Em for his success.. Its like Big Brother type friendship between them and its awesome
Dr. Dre and Eminem have a unbelievable business relationship as well as a friendship. Their friendship goes back to the late 90s where Dre was done with the gangster stuff and look for some talent. He found his magic in Eminem and took his chance on him. Dre calls Eminem one of the greatest rappers that ever lived. Eminem will forever be thankful for Dr. Dre for taking his talents to him and never letting him down. Dr. Dre have worked with him on every Eminem’s albums. Whether spit a verse or just produce several tracks for him!
its wild how either of these people wouldnt be making music anymore if they hadnt found each other. or at least a high chance they wouldnt be making money
Again it comes back to... ever notice how those who have battled their trial and tribulations. They are some of the most down to earth, positive, humble, compassionate, caring, forgiving people.
Dope video. This was so heart warming lol. Their super bowl performance was so awesome. It was a great way to represent the success of a genre that could have died before it lived, but here we are.
Sorry, correction on the Snoop beef: You left out the very last sentence where Snoop said he could live without Eminem's whole catalougue. That's what triggered Eminem to respond. He made that very clear in an interview after the Zeus track came out.
Eminem is basically the White 2Pac frfr💯 both came into the game always angry, both strike fear in ever other rapper , both spit deep ass shit about deep ass topics, both don't ever sugar coat anything , both attack every other rapper they feel like when they feel like , both were never afraid to go at presidents & attack political issues!!!! Name any other 2 rappers that do all of that !!!! Nobody 💯
I really have the most respect for Dr Dre , because he helped people make it in this business, point blank!!! Without him , a lot of people wouldn’t be famous!!! I really admire you Dre!!! Thank you for bringing all these wonderful rappers into the light so the rest of the world could enjoy there music as well!!!! Eminem and Snoop Dogg are my favorites and Dr Dre , my first album I bought of yours was The Chronic!!!! I was 18 when I first heard it and have loved it ever since!!!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
I got to hiphop because of EZ MIL the newbie who got signed by EM's and Dr. Drei. Thanks for this wonderful documentary. I've learned today. Keep going....
Just think if Dre never took a chance on Eminem, we wouldn’t have this legendary, one of the greatest artist of our time 😮💨 thank you for making the early 2000s awesome 😌 senior year, Em was putting out the best albums
Eminem was a revelation ! It was like AC/DC and heavy metal as far as how powerful it was / is , a brilliant genius in the John Lennon, Axl Rose , and Even Elvis as far as what he did to popular culture , he is a phenomenal phenom !!!!!
Dre actually had multiple artists that were scheduled to work with Dre. One example is EVE who had to wait because Dre was working with Em, and after however long she left and ended up working with and joining Ruff Ryders !!
That really touched me. Hip Hop is not a genre where that’s often done wholeheartedly. Snoop has really evolved a lot as a person and continues to show he’s serious about always being the best person he can with good vibes. Same can be said for Em. It’s no walk in the park battling substance abuse and confronting your demons especially in the spotlight as an odd one out. We’re lucky as hell to have them both. And we can thank Dre for believing them to bring them out to us.
I remember first hearing Marshall Mathers in 90 or 91. He was on tape with Redhead Kingpin. Fell in love with them both then. Then a year or so later I hear him as Em on the radio. I was having arguments everywhere saying that this Em was Marshall.... Funny I was proven right a few more years on... Still a massive NWA & EM fan
I started off from Jay Z and then Mike Shinoda but boy, when I found MnM, the whole hip hop changed for me. The rhyme schemes, cadence, flow everything is Eminem. One of the best. Period❤
I love the classic Eminem and Dr.Dre songs. I remember when they were coming out and seeing the music videos on the television and later on early UA-cam great times. Eminem and Dr.Dre are the best duo in rap and hip hop and their story is wonderful. Cool video. ^_^
I was there for it all. Bought Eminem’s first album (cassette) from a small shop on Melrose Ave near my house in Los Angeles before he signed with Dre. Then I worked for Interscope in 1996 when Aftermath was born. Got to see the album art before it was released! Also when Gwen Stefani and No Doubt joined Interscope. Good times 😊
The world may not be perfect but this is a world where Dre found Eminem and Eminem helped Dre with his career. I can't imagine another universe where that exists.
This is why hip hop made it so long in those years . Dre was hip hop and he was slammed into a wall, until he reached out into the dark and picked out some pooled milk , but made a Delicious cake. A cake that millions ate . But now that they are immortal , and sit waaaaaay up there the monsters below (drill music) is now taking over. HipHop in the 90s and 2ks were the fathers of these kids , teaching to be gangsta , respect , look good, and bout dem bitches and hoes . But when they all stopped they turned to eachother and drill music became to be.
todays rap is a dif era. cannot compare the two, its like trying to compare old football to todays era. or basketball, baseball, name it. when you think 2000s rap, eminem always comes to mind. i dig some drill, really love pop smoke (rip) and fivio. but i cant compare that to Dre or snoop or em. its a dif era and dif genre of rap music.
Best match up ever with Marshall and dr Dre. I am so happy Dre was so open and ready for something cool and no care that em is a white boy. Like it really doesn’t matter what color you are it’s what you are able to produce and genius cause it was exactly what we needed and all love. All the deaths and then 9/11 gave us a gut punch. Eminem touched everything and I love his truth. These men saved each other. ❤❤❤❤❤❤besties. Love u both Dre and Eminem
They will be always the music that took me out of the drugs and the geto , the real time of the revolution of the hip hop, and no one destroyed because it is real ...a real hip hop
more than anything, the fact both Snoop and Eminem decided to stop the beef because of Dre, is the real brotherhood bros. it's extremely hard to find this kind of brotherhood
I had no idea Dre almost died. I am so glad he made it. He is one of the most talented producers and MCs to ever do it. He deserves every ounce of fame and fortune he had.
It's like how Toy Soldiers isn't about Proof - Proof is in the video! - but retroactively became about Proof
Fr@@zimriel
I was at school lunch I like 7th grade lol😂 my friend told me and I didn’t have a phone back then so I was just thinking.. ever since then he’s been older in my head.. my dad is 54 like they not old.. but he just now appears old which might not ever go away 😢 it was a real weird space of time but I’m so glad he made it, you hear critical condition and you don’t know what the fuck to think
I really do believe that Eminem saved dr. Dre's career and dr. Dre save Eminem's life ☝️🙏
I need a doctor really told Dre and Em's story in the deepest and truest way.
And dr Dre said he’ll yeah
@@nicweckerly7667haha yes
Real talk
Amen. Love Everyone.God Bless You Always 💕❤❤
Dre being like "I don't know what's wrong with that kid" will always be funny to me
120 likes and no replies? I fix that
Straight up this kid is one of a kind😂😂
Dre was a visionary there. He just polished a rough diamond into a beautiful gem. That gem is Eminem who is just top 3 rappers of all time and living legend of rap
Dre basically adopted a white trash teen off the streets, ofc that kid is "disturbed" 🤣
Lol it is to me too. Because what was wrong with him is exactly what it took to change their lives forever
The thing I love about them is that they always have each others back, no matter what.
Dr. Dre had vision. The fact that he wanted to bridge the hip hop world into more than just where young black men come from and understanding that all sorts of people struggle no matter their color is almost as influential as the classic civil rights speakers of the past. Knowing music is the ultimate cure for hate is just genius to me. Plus the Dre and Eminem clicking like they did was amazing. You can hear Eminem all over that 2001 album. Not just his voice, but his style and lyrics and creativity
Em also wrote Forgot about Dre, whole song including Dre’s verses. I know he was also involved with a few tracks that Em didn’t feature in, but helped write them.
Completely agree I couldn’t have said it better ❤
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"Knowing music is the ultimate cure for hate is just genius to me." That is a brilliant line, well said!
@@chrisfrank2664 Em originally wrote that whole song for Dre and Snoop.. which is why I'm happy they settled their beef quick.. Em always looked up to snoop, he just wants the same respect from his idols..
"I'm not perfect, I'm Snoop Dogg."
True words spoken by a true G.
Dr. Dre and Eminem's chemistry literally needs to be studied
Facts
Omg really now 😮
yuupp..
Why
Word...
Eminems music is like 2pacs. Their music represents their own era of vibe and feelings when you listen to it. Its like I remember the days where i was in the 90s and 00s. Like a time capsule.
Not even close...stop the cap
Eminem's music is nothing like Tupac the simple facts Eminem is way better than Tupac and nas and Biggie Smalls
@wambokodavid7109 you mean crap not cap
@@wambokodavid7109LOL learn how to spell buddy I'll go back to school to learn most people that didn't graduate don't know how to spell😂
Couldn't have said it better thank you indeed
The fact they still to this day refer to each other as the person who saved their life/career is genuinely so wholesome.
The amount of respect and gratitude they have for each other is on another level
They are really two of the good guys.
Whenever I hear Eminems music I go back to the earliest 2000 when I was a little kid, sunday morning, eating cereal, and my older brother was watching music tv channels, em's videos comes on screen and we really enjoyed.. Those were the times....
Take me back 😢
I got into hip hop because of Eminem. He made me love the genre. Dre took a chance on this cat and he arguably became the greatest. Love these two guys and their great friendship. Nice video!
thannk uuu!!
Today’s hip hop is pure garbage, just my opinion
@@sheilacosby8265i agree
@@sheilacosby8265I think uk grime has taken over. Dave, Chip, Aitch, Lady Leshur and Stormzy for starters are great. Dont think anyone can match up to the early 2000s. Thats the pinacle of hip hop.
@@sheilacosby8265 True, Lil Wayne, X, and Juice were/are the best of this gen
I am a massive metal head but also like some Hip Hop, Dre the man hands down. HE made so many peoples careers, mad respect.
Yep. The greatest hip hop producer of all time and a good rapper/lyricist as well. The Chronic 2001 is one of the greatest albums in music (not just hip hop) full stop, the production, the artists featured, the skits. Everything ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Namely Eminem, Tupac, Snoop, 50, Ice cube, and almost all of the nwa
@enterthebruce91 kanye??? No way yall old heads gonna ignore kanye lmao
@@coaltrain2299Kanye didn’t do half of what Dre has done 😂😂😂
I love how much respect and credit they give to their providers..
Dre signed em and em always give credit to Dre in his every award ceremony..
Em took 50 in game and 50 always give credit to Em for his success..
Its like Big Brother type friendship between them and its awesome
Dr. Dre and Eminem have a unbelievable business relationship as well as a friendship. Their friendship goes back to the late 90s where Dre was done with the gangster stuff and look for some talent. He found his magic in Eminem and took his chance on him. Dre calls Eminem one of the greatest rappers that ever lived. Eminem will forever be thankful for Dr. Dre for taking his talents to him and never letting him down. Dr. Dre have worked with him on every Eminem’s albums. Whether spit a verse or just produce several tracks for him!
It's more thin just friendship and business relationship sweetheart ..
Yeah, Dr. Dre has done a lot of good work over the years when he was producing songs for other artists
Snoop watching this with jealousy while wearing his Dre is my bff shirt.
😂😂
He's probably high as usual
one of, if not the best duo in music. PERIOD.
100%
At least the most successful duo ever!
@@papagrounds definitely
Eazy and ice cube
@@vitaminprotein6878 the guys who eventually had a big rap feud causing one to leave and make a big name for himself?
its wild how either of these people wouldnt be making music anymore if they hadnt found each other. or at least a high chance they wouldnt be making money
Facts
the fact that each of dre and marshall keep telling every one the other saved his career and prolly lives, says fuckin alot
Not only does Eminem and Dre have a great working relationship, they also have a very beautiful friendship
Again it comes back to... ever notice how those who have battled their trial and tribulations. They are some of the most down to earth, positive, humble, compassionate, caring, forgiving people.
Salute Dre and Em.... grateful for each other
Seen them perform together. Quite unique, just the two of them and a DJ.
The album is called Infinite by the way, not Infinity.
Sorry
@@MusicVibeChannel hahaha no worries. Your videos are really good and your voice sounds you could do this professionally for tv as wel. 👌🏽
Eminem also wrote The Watcher on the chronic 2001
I thought that was jay z?
@@01bigtrev Na look up warren g Eminem watcher. Plus D.o.c mentioned in a couple times on twitter and Vlad interview
Dope video. This was so heart warming lol. Their super bowl performance was so awesome. It was a great way to represent the success of a genre that could have died before it lived, but here we are.
Sorry, correction on the Snoop beef: You left out the very last sentence where Snoop said he could live without Eminem's whole catalougue. That's what triggered Eminem to respond. He made that very clear in an interview after the Zeus track came out.
yeah, Snoop could have kept things cool if he'd just said "I'd put Rakeem, AZ, Nas ahead of Em" - Em agrees with all that
the editing and story line you made was real iconic man
Appreciate it 🖤🙏🏼
Eminem is basically the White 2Pac frfr💯 both came into the game always angry, both strike fear in ever other rapper , both spit deep ass shit about deep ass topics, both don't ever sugar coat anything , both attack every other rapper they feel like when they feel like , both were never afraid to go at presidents & attack political issues!!!! Name any other 2 rappers that do all of that !!!!
Nobody 💯
I think the Contract from GTA is where I am starting to love Rap, with Eminem and Dr Dre and Snoop Dog.
I really have the most respect for Dr Dre , because he helped people make it in this business, point blank!!! Without him , a lot of people wouldn’t be famous!!! I really admire you Dre!!! Thank you for bringing all these wonderful rappers into the light so the rest of the world could enjoy there music as well!!!! Eminem and Snoop Dogg are my favorites and Dr Dre , my first album I bought of yours was The Chronic!!!! I was 18 when I first heard it and have loved it ever since!!!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪💪🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷🩷
And now Dre also appeared in Em's Houdini. I guess only the death will tear them apart.
I got to hiphop because of EZ MIL the newbie who got signed by EM's and Dr. Drei. Thanks for this wonderful documentary. I've learned today. Keep going....
appreciate it! Thank u!
That’s awesome. It’s thank to the goat Em I found Ez I think he’ll pass the torch to him. love their bringing a global audience to Filipino artists ❤
LMAO "There was a bunch of girls around you" "OOH OKAY!! Now I remember."
Hah, yeah I caught that too. You have to speak a man's language properly, lol.
Never thought I needed these documentaries. Really fascinating stories in the entertainment music industry
Dre and eminem saved eachother!! Love those 2 guy's
#shady4life
I love the relationship they have, you can see Dr.Dre truly cares for him
I love their friendship!
0:03 just dre being a mood
Eminem just dropped houdini, and now I can't sleep hope there's an album to it
Just think if Dre never took a chance on Eminem, we wouldn’t have this legendary, one of the greatest artist of our time 😮💨 thank you for making the early 2000s awesome 😌 senior year, Em was putting out the best albums
Eminem was a revelation ! It was like AC/DC and heavy metal as far as how powerful it was / is , a brilliant genius in the John Lennon, Axl Rose , and Even Elvis as far as what he did to popular culture , he is a phenomenal phenom !!!!!
Dre actually had multiple artists that were scheduled to work with Dre. One example is EVE who had to wait because Dre was working with Em, and after however long she left and ended up working with and joining Ruff Ryders !!
As a life long hard rock/ metal head,I’ve got nothing but respect for DR.Dre,Snoop and Eminem.
Or hearing Jimmy Ivene but saying IOvene.
I wish I could like this video a thousand times. Eminem is the God of hip hop. Straight from Jamaica 🇯🇲
Eminem also wrote the song called " The Watchers " for Dr.Dre on the same album.
Omg.. The Watchers is AN EPIC JAM!!!
Nobody does it better than Marshall. ❤
Fun fact: Slim Shady is the only rapper that can diss Eminem and get away with it.
Great documentary!! And I applaud both Em and snoop for apologizing to each other and recognizing their wrongs.. takes strong men to do that 💪
That really touched me. Hip Hop is not a genre where that’s often done wholeheartedly.
Snoop has really evolved a lot as a person and continues to show he’s serious about always being the best person he can with good vibes.
Same can be said for Em. It’s no walk in the park battling substance abuse and confronting your demons especially in the spotlight as an odd one out.
We’re lucky as hell to have them both. And we can thank Dre for believing them to bring them out to us.
Their friendship and chemistry is so good they should make a 80's buddy cop movie 😄
Damn I didn’t know Eminem and j.Cole we’re battling rapper eachother back in the 90s @1:32 such goats
lol
I am EMINEM'S #1 fan. I love his music
I remember first hearing Marshall Mathers in 90 or 91. He was on tape with Redhead Kingpin. Fell in love with them both then. Then a year or so later I hear him as Em on the radio. I was having arguments everywhere saying that this Em was Marshall.... Funny I was proven right a few more years on... Still a massive NWA & EM fan
I truly hope they gonna make a movie about this someday. Hopefully when i'm still around ofc
I agree would be a heck of a movie
I started off from Jay Z and then Mike Shinoda but boy, when I found MnM, the whole hip hop changed for me. The rhyme schemes, cadence, flow everything is Eminem. One of the best. Period❤
Bro just the fact that Dre found Em at his lowest then Em found 50 at his lowest… that’s unheard of. What are the odds.. it was certainly meant to be.
Love Em & Dre’s friendship. Ems the goat ❤🐐
I Need a Doctor is the song thats very touching and tells in detail the true froedmship that Eminem and Dr. Dre have
Forever love this guys ..dre snoop 50 eminem
I wish i have friends like Eminem and Dr. Dre
Hey man this was a great video! Really touching and thoughtful, so well made. ❤
They really mean for each other. The way EM saved dre career and dre saved em life and the rest is history
The pure love these guys have and brotherhood. Absolutely stunning. I want to imagine these guy at the dinner table laughing at all ems crazy humor
I love the classic Eminem and Dr.Dre songs. I remember when they were coming out and seeing the music videos on the television and later on early UA-cam great times. Eminem and Dr.Dre are the best duo in rap and hip hop and their story is wonderful. Cool video. ^_^
The way he talks about Eminem is like a proud father talking about his son
Thank you for showing auch a beautiful documentary
thanks! 🥰
Em needed somebody to believe in him while dre needed somebody to pick him back up into the game❤
Perfect spontaneous combustion
Perfect timing and circumstance.
I burst into tears while watching this (still). Beautiful and strong friendship🙌🏻
Em was a menace to the human race 😂😂😂😂 and i absolutely love it. Legend 💯💯💯
Been meaning to watch this. Thanks for uploading
The kings 🙌
"that's my friend :)" -eminem
That's some next level wholesome sht.
The Firm album is a deadset CLASSIC.
I was there for it all. Bought Eminem’s first album (cassette) from a small shop on Melrose Ave near my house in Los Angeles before he signed with Dre. Then I worked for Interscope in 1996 when Aftermath was born. Got to see the album art before it was released! Also when Gwen Stefani and No Doubt joined Interscope. Good times 😊
Come produce a song for me...I'm in Nigeria
Both Brothers from different mothers. True friendship 💯.
great video. i always admired the friendship between Der and Em
Thanks!
The world may not be perfect but this is a world where Dre found Eminem and Eminem helped Dre with his career.
I can't imagine another universe where that exists.
Em is actually a comedian that can sing/rap 😀😀😀😀😀
nah, he is a rapper that is also very funny. only a few lyricist that can do what he does (when not on drugs lol)
This is why hip hop made it so long in those years . Dre was hip hop and he was slammed into a wall, until he reached out into the dark and picked out some pooled milk , but made a Delicious cake. A cake that millions ate . But now that they are immortal , and sit waaaaaay up there the monsters below (drill music) is now taking over. HipHop in the 90s and 2ks were the fathers of these kids , teaching to be gangsta , respect , look good, and bout dem bitches and hoes . But when they all stopped they turned to eachother and drill music became to be.
todays rap is a dif era. cannot compare the two, its like trying to compare old football to todays era. or basketball, baseball, name it. when you think 2000s rap, eminem always comes to mind. i dig some drill, really love pop smoke (rip) and fivio. but i cant compare that to Dre or snoop or em. its a dif era and dif genre of rap music.
Eminem & Dr. Dre's friendship/partnership is so dope Shady/Aftermath baby
Dr. Dre and Eminem. A perfect match in the music business. Much respect for their friendship
Best match up ever with Marshall and dr Dre. I am so happy Dre was so open and ready for something cool and no care that em is a white boy. Like it really doesn’t matter what color you are it’s what you are able to produce and genius cause it was exactly what we needed and all love. All the deaths and then 9/11 gave us a gut punch. Eminem touched everything and I love his truth. These men saved each other. ❤❤❤❤❤❤besties. Love u both Dre and Eminem
Man ive never seen some of these clips you used 🔥💯
“And that’s how Dre got locked in Em’s basement” would’ve been a good outro 🤭
Very interesting video. Thanks.
Such respect for each other ✊✊❤️❤️🙏🙏
Why Eminem doesn't get old? He has 20+ looks! Omg!
Very wholesome friendship and history.
3:34 perfect photo for what he was saying!
They will be always the music that took me out of the drugs and the geto , the real time of the revolution of the hip hop, and no one destroyed because it is real ...a real hip hop
I love their friendship so much! To me, they are like father and son..
How eminem sounds from the beginning was wholesome❤👍
The fact that relapse was judged so harshly hurts me, it gave such a good story.
Eminem is a legend since i was born. Legend, I will be a fan until i am dead
infinite not infinity btw
Imagine showing the word INFINITE on screen and saying INFINITY. 😂😂😂
Beautiful video.. Respect. 🤘🏻
thank u!
Grateful for the positive video of friendship and love!❤❤❤
Nice video bro❤
thank u!
I love that Dre risked it all and believed in him, and I am sure it was an uncertain time
Dr. Dre and Eminem has rare friends bond. 🖤💐
more than anything, the fact both Snoop and Eminem decided to stop the beef because of Dre, is the real brotherhood bros. it's extremely hard to find this kind of brotherhood