Cyrillic: - В в (the author wrote В b) - М м (the author wrote М m. "m" is like cursive "т" in Russian) - In Ukrane there is a letter "є"; in Russian there is not it. But in Russian there are two more letters originating from "e". They are "э" and "ё". - There is a letter "j" in Serbian. It could be added to the cell with "i" and "ї". - In Serbian there are letters "љ" (л + ь) and "њ" (н + ь). - The letters "c" and "ш" have a different history, although they go back to the same Phoenician. "C" is borrowed from the Greek "Σ (C)". And "Ш" is borrowed from the Semitic alphabets; compare the Hebrew "ש" or the Arabic "ﺱ". Here, too , щ = ш + т. - There are two more letters with Phoenician roots, which are in the Cyrillic alphabet and are absent in the Greek and Latin alphabets (they were not included in the video). These are "ц" and "ч", they also come from Semitic; compare the Hebrew "צ". - Church Slavonic language have also "pure Greek" letters: ѡ (ѿ = ѡ + т), ѯ, ѱ, ѳ, ѵ (ω, ξ, ψ, θ, υ).
@@p0.c There are many more letters introduced at different times in Cyrillic for different languages. For example, the Russian "ё" and "э". And if we take the Central Asian languages based on Cyrillic alphabet, there will be even more "new" letters there.
In Serbian there are also letters ћ(тј), ђ(дј), џ(дж). Ћ, ђ, џ aren't read like what i put in bracket but they sound most similar to that because they can't be better explained.
@@user-xh9td7ts1l The theme of the video is letters originating from the Phoenician alphabet. What are these letters of origin? If their shape comes from "ч", then they are relevant to the topic. Do I remember correctly? ћ = чь, ђ = джь, џ = дж.
I also wanna add that in Greek, we have 3 "s" and not 2. "Σ" is the capital letter, "σ" is the small letter and "ς" is used if a word ends with "σ", so it gets replaced with "ς"
I don't understand what you mean by 3 S letters, apparently according to your comment u have 2 of them, u have that one that looks the number 3 with its small form that kinda looks like "ó". and the last one that is sorta similar in the way it looks to the French letter "ç". in fact a capital and a small forms of a letter're considered 1 letter not 2
@@yasser_labii He means that we have the two normal letters, one capital and one of the normal variation, while the final one is used only at the end of a word. Meaning that you can't put the normal "σ" on the end of a word, but only that "ς".
also in cyrillic we have letters Үү, Ұұ, Өө, Ңң, Әә, Һһ, Ққ, Ғғ, Jj etc. these letters are used in Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Mongol, Tatar and in many languages of the subjects of the Russian Federation. sometimes it infuriates me that many perceive the Cyrillic writing system as an exclusively Russian alphabet, although the Cyrillic alphabet is used in many other languages as well
@@iharic_mc Буква "ы" имеет связь с финикийским лишь от части (ъ + i). Не имеют к теме видео отношения буквы ж, я, ъ, ь. А если брать буквы к теме видео относящиеся можно ещё вспомнить сербские j, љ и њ.
But the author also did not specify the letters for Latin "ą, ę, ł, ó, ś, ź, ć" and many others. The "basic set" was chosen for Latin and Cyrillic. Another thing is that there are a lot of letters "i" and "ї" for the "basic set".
My history book had a table with the Phoenician alphabet and their greek and latin counterparts and me and a few friends learned to write in it to pass notes.
ow can Homer write in the two world-renowned and far-reaching works of the Iliad and the Odyssey in the same chronological period, in the Greek language but with a borrowed alphabet, at a time when the Phoenicians have nothing comparable or even inferior to show?
In ancient Greece there were a few variations of the Greek alphabet, which were used by different city states. These variations varied in certain letters. The Greek alphabet you are using is actually the Attican alphabet. The alphabet that was used in the city state of Athens. Later, in the Roman era, this alphabet will become the standard for the Greek language and it will dominate over all other variations. Another version of the Greek alphabet, was the chalkidean. An alphabet used in the city state of Chalkida and its colonies. In the chalkidean alphabet, the letter Λ was written as L. Chalkida had colonies in Northern Italy. There, they came in touch with the etruscan culture (around 1000-900 BC). Etruscans adopted the chalkidean Greek alphabet as the writing system for their language. Later, the Romans will take the etruscan alphabet and adapt it to their own language. That's why, the Latin alphabet has so many common letters with the Greek alphabet. Actually, all it's letters are Greek, if we consider the fact that it does not derive from the attican alphabet, but from the chalkidean. Finally, the Greek alphabet had a few more letters that over the years were discontinued. This occurred before the classical era (1000-600 BC), and this is why we don't hear much about these letters. Some of these letters, since they didn't represent sounds any more, were used to represent numbers. For example, the number 6 in ancient greek was represented by such a discontinued letter. Others, were transformed and survived with other meanings. For example, there was a letter call digamma (two gamma), which was written with the symbol F. It sounded like the sound of two long gammas. I guess it was something like W (double u). As you can understand through the chalkidean alphabet, it entered the Latin and its sound was transformed to what we know today.
You missed one thing - now Greeks use the Ionian version, not the old Attic one. Athenians simply adopted it somewhen at the end of 5 century BCE if I am not mistaken, and then with the use of primarily Athenian-(Ionian-)Based koine it spreaded throughout the Greek world.
@@mareksagrak9527 the Athenians belonged to the Ionian tribe/clan. The athenian Greek was a sub dialect of the ionian dialect of the Greek language. Koine Greek (or simplified greek), was a dialect that was developed after the 3rd century BC and it was based on the athenian dialect.
@@georget8008 Το ξέρω μια χαρά μα η παλαιοαττικη αλφαβήτα δεν ήτανε ίδια με αυτές που χρησιμοποιούνταν οι υπόλοιποι Ίωνες. Αν θυμάμαι καλά, πριν αυτήν την αλλαγή που ανέφερα παραπάνω, η Αθηναίοι χρησιμοποιούσαν ένα γράμμα παρόμοια με την "ήτα" (Η η) για την διαδήλωση δασείου πνεύματος. Δεν διακρίθηκαν επίσης την διαφορά μεταξύ μακρών και βραχέων φωνηέντων (Ε - Η, Ο - Ω). Τα γράμματα αυτά επήραν αργότερα από το ιωνικό αλφάβητο της Μιλήτου.
The Greek one you write is the Modern form, in Ancient Greek there were a number of different systems whith significant differences, it was based only the capitals, in Medieval Greek there were a lot of variants many of which were borrowed in turn for the Cyrillic alphabet like н for n
Monsieur vous êtes grec , vous êtes donc instruit de cette façon mais sachez simplement que ce que vous appelez l'alphabet Cyrillique est plus ancien que l'alphabet grecque de plusieurs millénaires ! L'appellation " alphabet cyrillique " est une pure invention ! L'alphabet Grecque est issu de l' alphabet de Lepenski Vir , Vinca ! L'histoire falsifié n'est pas l'histoire ! Mais libre à vous de croire à ce qui vous arrange !
I found a mistake: in Cyrillic cursive the letter М MUST be written like Мм, and not Мm. Letter m represents a different sound /t/ (printed Тт). Also I think you forgot the letter Фф.
@@odin6369 no it doesn't. The Φ-like Phoenician letter is actually called Qoppa and it initially existed in Greek too but was soon discarded. Φ is a Greek addition, as are the 6 final letters.
@@georgios_5342 Its not comfirmed but imo pretty likely that Qoppa and Phi share the same origin due to their similar apperance and sound. Here is something from wikipedia that says so too "It may be that phi originated as the letter qoppa (Ϙ, ϙ), and initially represented the sound /kʷʰ/ before shifting to Classical Greek [pʰ]."
@@odin6369 Actually it's not entirely impossible, given that the simple kw becomes a p, it might very well be that the aspirated kwh becomes ph. Very interesting perspective, thanks!
Cierto, la caligráfica bonita, las transformaciones, la visión de todos los alfabetos juntos. Me gustó el video, sencillo y agradable para los que nos gusta la filología.
With a different phonology, the Greeks adapted the Phoenician script to represent their own sounds, including the vowels absent in Phoenician. It was possibly more important in Greek to write out vowel sounds: Phoenician being a Semitic language, words were based on consonantal roots that permitted extensive removal of vowels without loss of meaning, a feature absent in the Indo-European Greek. However, Akkadian cuneiform, which wrote a related Semitic language, did indicate vowels, which suggests the Phoenicians simply accepted the model of the Egyptians, who never wrote vowels. In any case, the Greeks repurposed the Phoenician letters of consonant sounds not present in Greek; each such letter had its name shorn of its leading consonant, and the letter took the value of the now-leading vowel.
@@user-fm7nq7ul2c No, Arabic derives from Old Semitic and it's definitely not the oldest language. The Phoenicians aren't "ancient Arabs". They spoke their own language, that was still semitic, but not Arabic.
A. P. Thank you for an excellent explanation. Great comment. Arabic followed a similar model as the Phoenician' with vowels not being represented if they were aspired softly.
@@alinedeleandro123 They are related as "cousins" (both are central semitic) but not like "father and son" (Phoenician is not ancestor of Arabic and vice versa).
It is mostly because due the course of actions in the region. A lot of empires and their religious power would create new linguistic methods to write a language in. An example is the Brunei language which is a mix of Arabic and native letters
It's a sign of recency of writing adoption (showing the language hasn't changed much since the alphabet was adopted so it probably hasn't been a long time since)
@@marcusaurelius4941 on the contrary. The language changed a lot and it exists for over 700 years. However the language was reformed couple of houndred years ago, and has changed slightly in the last 100+ years to the language we have today. But from the start until today it has changed a lot, both the alphabet and the written as has the spoken language
Can we get a greek person to confirm this π/τ stuff? Just because it's used in math doesn't mean it's how it's written in actual greek handwriting. Heck, ∂ is used in math a lot and it isn't even a real letter in any alphabet as far as I'm aware. And before you get back at me saying "that's how it shows up in most fonts", since when have you actually written "a" as it is in this font?
I am Greek. Many of the letters he wrote, mostly the minuscules are written wrong. I write «τ» like this («τ») only, usually, when I am writing or taking notes, I will do it faster so it comes out differently, a bit messier or more cursive. His minuscule «π» is too simple, we usually include a hook on the right leg (or right vertical line of «π»). Another thing I noticed is the «γ», nobody in Greece writes it like this. There is a space, or an opening below the “v” part of the letter so it is like this «ɣ». Also, the «δ», we tend to write the top hook (above the “o” part of the letter” a bit higher so that it looks like this «𝛿», but «δ» is also acceptable. (*Sigh*) Lastly, the «φ», almost always written «ϕ» (“almost” since there are multiple methods of calligraphy in Greek and it depends which you are using, if you are not using calligraphy you always write it «ϕ», not «φ»). Fun fact: we used to use many minuscule abbreviations, so we fused many letters into one to make a certain and specific sound. Not randomly though, they follow laws, it’s not known to many, but they sort of look like Arabic scripts. This link shows you a Wikipedia page on this, it’s pretty clear: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_minuscule
@@nanamacapagal8342 I personally agree with the comment below, everyone tends to write a little bit differently, personally I write "φ" as it's shown here and also yes I think "π" and "τ" are also how most people write them. But I have never seen anything like "γ" in my life. I also write it like the comment under you wrote it. Although it comes to how someone wants to write it, some letters in this video, atleast for the Greek alphabet, are kinda wrong.
@@nanamacapagal8342 another Greek here. Usually, we do it like π, though many don't put that funny leg at the end. But even if we don't do it like this it's still *technically* readable and correct, just not how it's officially supposed to be written. Also the t usually has a funny leg, but it's still correct without it.
I would also mention Д and Л are written strangely, in the block letters handwriting we do not write them like that, we write them more like Greek ones
That the Greek Alphabet cannot be copied from somewhere else is shown by the fact that in the years 2300 BC. (with studies by Tziropoulou and others and not 800 BC) Homer already has at his disposal 6,500,000 primary words (first person present & singular) which if we multiply them by X72 which are the calls, we will get a a huge number which is not the final one, because let's not forget that the Greek language is not sterile, GENNA."birth".
Wow that's a weird coincidence x) i just watched a few days ago a documentary about it seems like it all came from the egyptian hieroglyphs (for example the A is a bull, the R is a human head the B comes from a house etc.) and the canaanites (later pheonicians) used the egyptian hieroglyphs for their own language and invented the concept of the alphabet (a character = one sound) and every if not most alphabets that are used nowadays come from it! even hebrew or arabic even though it doesnt look like it! thats really cool i think^^ btw love seeing you write! its soo satisfying^^
I saw a documentary too(not recently) very similar to what you're describing. Basically the alphabets get simpler and more suitable for specific languages as they evolve!
Besides Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, Arabic, and Latin alphabets there are also Hangul (used in Korean language), Armenian and Georgian. I'm not sure about Armenian and Georgian but it's most unlikely that Hangul has anything in common with Egyptian / Phoenician writing systems.
@@nikkiobernik8296 Hangul is an invented alphabet without any direct relation to any writing systems around the world, although it can be said that it's inspired by Chinese writing from the shape of some certain characters and from the practice of arranging these characters in syllabic blocks. The characters show how consonants and vowels are being articulated in the mouth, and that's one of the reasons why it's mentioned as one of the easiest scripts to learn. Also worthy of mention is the Japanese Kana, in which there are two types: cursive Hiragana (used in general writing besides Kanji) and angular Katakana (used to write loanwords, emphasis, onomatopes, etc.) Japanese Kana are derived from Chinese characters being used phonetically for the Japanese language, whith Hiragana originating from cursive writing and Katakana from the pieces of such characters. That's the reason why people say you'll learn Japanese Kana quicker if you are Chinese or at least know any Chinese language.
@@nikkiobernik8296 pretty sure armenian and georgian also comes from hieroglyph since its in europe as for hangul, thats precisely one of the languages that uses an alphabet nowadays and that isnt linked to egyptian hieroglyphs as it comes from chinese characters! (the chinese people invented their own writing system like the mesopotamians and the american indians, but it's the only writing system that didnt change much after its creation and is still used nowadays) its the same for japanese btw they've got two alphabets and the two of them come from chinese characters! not even a bit from egyptian hieroglyph🤷♂️
@@snailenjoyer7338 as far as I understood the video, he wasn't giving a lecture on the Cyrillic or Greek alphabet, but rather showed the connection between languages, the movement of how they evolved
That is correct he was doing that but what im trying to say is that people who use Cyrillic like me will be able to point out mistake easier since when you use that writing all your life you will be informed about the history of it way better
@@tormclean9657 that, of course, may be possible, depending upon the kind of information and the tone of the "voice" The thing is, that nobody can look into someone else's head, so you cannot know how someone perceives, what you say, even if you have good intentions, so from the beginning we can be a bit sensitive about how to formulate the information, we want to give. That's all I would like to say
Also Cyrillic alphabet has a different sequence of some letters in comparison with Latin. For example, it's a little bit deception when you write Latin letter "C, c" in one line with Cyrillic "Г, г" because our letter "Г" sounds like latin "G". Btw, Latin "C" can be concidered as analogue of Cyrillic "Ц, ц". So yep, they has equal sequence. But it's different letters.
What's strange is /g/ is written as "Ґґ" in Ukrainian, & "Гг" is the /h/ sound which doesn't exist in most languages that use Cyrillic. "Цц" isn't a "c" sound. it's/ts/.
How come ruins in "Phoenicia" (where is it on the map?) are later than the ones in Greece and Anatolia (Asia Minor - Ionia) ? Where are "Phoenicians" mentioned in Battle of Marathon where almost every single navy of the Med participated either with the Greeks or with the Persians? Where are "Phoenicians" refferences during the conquests of Great Alexander? What was the dress and architecture styles of "Phoenicia" and had they invented it or adopted it? Why "Phoenicia" vanished so early since their legacy in (?) (just an alphabet) was so great to influence Hellenistic Kingdoms from Rome to Tibet. We can find "Phoenician" letters during predynastic period of Egypt, in Crete, Cyclades island cluster in the Aegean. That's way earlier than "Phoenicia" city's recorded existence.
Greek Λ and Cyrillic Λ correspond Greek Φ and Cyrillic Ф correspond Koine Greek Β and Cyrillic Б correspond Modern Greek Β and Cyrillic В correspond There are quit many letters correspond between Greek and Cyrillic.
You got a mistake there. Greek had an actual letter for the q and it was called koppa. Though it died rather quickly, it had been used still during the Imperial Period on coins in Corinthos.
I don't know if this is a mistake or intended - maybe the videomaker wanted to write only letters which still exist. BTW, the same goes for the Greek "F" equivalent which was called "wau" or "digamma". That one gave rise to Latin "F" but the Greeks deleted it later. So this letter would belong into the same box as the Greek "Y".
It's well known that Phoenician alfabet has only consonants. The vowels was added by the Greeks. That's why we don't know the pronunciation of this language.
From this, we see how writing filtered throughout the civilized world. The Sumerians started writing with pictures indicating words (Cuneiform). The Egyptians took it up a notch with pictures indicating letter sounds. Hebrew developed it into symbols that resemble pictures but that stand for sounds. The Phonecian is nearly identical to Hebrew, likely derived from it or alongside it,as recently Hebrew inscriptions have been found that are older than any Phoencian ones. The Phonecians traded all along the Mediterranean and brought it to Greece, where the letter sounds were just symbols, as the letters names that they borrowed don't correspond to what the objects they were named for sound like in Greek. Hebrew=Aleph (ox), Bet (house), Gimmel (camel), Daled (door). Phoencian is almost identical with only slight pronunciation differences. Greek = Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta. Then, it became the Cyrillic and Roman Alphabets. You end up with the corresponding letters in English becoming A, B, G, and D. For those familiar with the Bible, all this follows the narrative, as Abraham (ancestor of the Hebrews and Arabs) was from the Sumerian civilization. The very name Hebrew is derived from the Caananite word meaning stranger, as they had migrated from the Sumerians to live among the Canaanites.Then they migrated to Egypt and were enslaved for a while, which is why Hebrew pronunciation sounds more like Akkadian (from the Sumerian region) but is written more closely to hieroglyphics. The Philistines of the Bible are identified my most historians as being Phoencians.
That's not even the end of the story, though. The Aramaean square script developed from the Phoenician script, which was adopted by the Jews (this name was created during that time as well, being sourced from the territory of Judah that we were exiled from) during the exile of Babylon. It is still in use today for Hebrew, Aramaic and Yiddish. Over time, it also developed into a cursive form, which is what most Israelis use in day to day life due to it being quicker and simpler to write.
Y los filisteos eran un pueblo, y los cananeos (fenicios) eran otro pueblo que se mezcló con la cultura hebrea, allí hubo una aculturación o algo así pues, como lo detalla el libro de Reyes y crónicas, el matrimonio entre el israelita Achab con la princesa fenicia Jezabel.
Ive read that it goes back to pictograms. For example, the letter A would be upside down like the horns of an ox. Meaning leader. B would be the shape of a house and so on...
Phoenician alphabet had no vocals!!! Phoenician Aleph (a consonant) 𐤀 a figure for --> ox ,head ox. Greek Αλφα Alpha (a vocal) Α from verb Αλφάνω, alphano , mean --> to find. Greeks took the idea of LETTER ,they abandoned their syllabic system and adding vocals created the Alphabet. Phoenician alphabet derive from the Old Canaanite script which derive from Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Eguptians took hieroglyphics from the Greeks. Read historian Manethon. Also, Greeks travelled to Egypt with their ships/ vessels. The Egyptians could only flow in Nile.
Your penmanship is amazing! Ancient and paleo Hebrew (proto-Canaanite) alefbet pre-date the Phoenician alefbet. For example, the ox head (jaw and two horns) is what became the letter “A.”
Fun fact, it is (Paleo-Hebrew Alphabet) still used by a few minority groups to this day. What’s even more interesting is that they pronouns the letters exactly in the same way modern Hebrew letters are pronounced. Obviously some of the sounds were different then the modern phonetics hence even the Tora has a lot of debate about the actual meaning of some words. Some scholars think that paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician kind of arose at relatively the same time and since it is believed that there was big migration during these times (some cataclysmic event if I remember correctly) they assume that these two borrowed from one another.
@@MrAlexDavid It is virtually impossible to ensure exact pronunciation is the same as modern or different since recordings do not exist. The best means of determining consistency in pronunciation are the Jewish households over the centuries that never stopped speaking Hebrew. In any case, there is definitely debate over the meaning of some words, although the breakthrough in ancient and paleo-Hebrew has allowed for better understanding of true meaning bc the words are built by letters that each have meaning, and give the word a larger meaning when combined. My Biblical “sense” is that Hebrew was the language taught to Adam and Eve and was based upon agrarian symbols that were very basic, and formed the perfect building blocks for letters to form words with greater meaning based upon the letters. It is completely logical in other words. In my view, it is a heavenly language given to mankind by YHVH, while Greek (the other Biblical language) is a language developed by human beings. This is also how we can surmise the “new testament” was written first in Hebrew and adapted by gentiles for the non-Hebrew masses. Just my opinion.
Cadmus was of ultimately divine ancestry, the grandson of the sea god Poseidon and Libya on his father's side, and of Nilus (the River Nile) on his mother's side; overall he was considered a member of the fifth generation of beings following the (mythological) creation of the world. After his sister Europa had been carried off by Zeus from the shores of Phoenicia, Cadmus was sent out by his father to find her, and enjoined not to return without her. Unsuccessful in his search-or unwilling to go against Zeus-he came to Samothrace, the island sacred to the "Great Gods"or the Kabeiroi, whose mysteries would be celebrated also at Thebes. Cadmus came in the course of his wanderings to Delphi, where he consulted the oracle. He was ordered to give up his quest and follow a special cow, with a half moon on her flank, which would meet him, and to build a town on the spot where she should lie down exhausted. The cow was given to Cadmus by Pelagon, King of Phocis, and it guided him to Boeotia, where he founded the city of Thebes. Intending to sacrifice the cow to Athena, Cadmus sent some of his companions, Deioleon and Seriphus to the nearby Ismenian spring for water. They were slain by the spring's guardian water-dragon (compare the Lernaean Hydra), which was in turn destroyed by Cadmus, the duty of a culture hero of the new order. The dragon had been sacred to Ares, so the god made Cadmus do penance for eight years by serving him. According to Theban tellings, it was at the expiration of this period that the gods gave him Harmonia ("harmony", literally "putting or assembling together", "good assembly", or "good composition") as wife. At Thebes, Cadmus and Harmonia began a dynasty with a son Polydorus, and four daughters, Agave, Autonoë, Ino and Semele.
A. P. Wow! That's brilliant. I had only known how Cadmus was sent to look for his sister, Europa, after Zeus lured her away to Mt. Olympus. It's wonderful to have the continuation of the story. Thank you. I've always been curious as to why the European continent was named after a Phoenician princess and not one indigenous to that area!
Most specialists believe that the Phoenician alphabet was adopted for Greek during the early 8th century BC, perhaps in Euboea. The earliest known fragmentary Greek inscriptions date from this time, 770-750 BC, and they match Phoenician letter forms of c. 800-750 BC
Greek. Such an easy language to learn. If you ever travel to Greece and mingle with the population, you will notice that even children speak and write it. That easy.
Вообще то до кириллицы у славян и русичей была своя собственная, а не заимствованная у греков письменность: называлась "глаголица". Все старые тексты - на глаголице. И до сих пор употребляют в речи вариации типа "что ты глаголишь" и т.п. А вообще можно говорить, что русский язык весьма схож с санскритом.
@@lerman88 да, про глаголицу так пишут (начали писать с определённой целью), только это не соответствует действительности. Утверждение, что, якобы, до солунских братьев славяне были народом безписьменным исторически неграмотно, псевдонаучно и ложно.
@@os4041 оригинальная письменность в истории человечества появлялась очень мало раз , как греки позаимствовали письмо у финикийцев , как римляне позаимствовали письменность у греков , так и славяне позаимствовали письмо у греков и в этом нет ничего особенного
@@lerman88 Ничего особенного в заимствовании как таковом, бесспорно, нет. Но у славян был свой алфавит и письменность ещё до кириллицы, глаголицы и протоглаголицы... Или Вы насаживаете упорно псевдоучение, что у славян до 9-го века и до Кирилла с Мефодием ничего не было и писать не умели? Умели писать все, даже дети. А о Кирилле с Мефодием которые переводы делали и придумали чего-то - знать не знали в Древней Руси в то время )) Это потом насажено было. Пройдёт пару столетий и Ваши последователи будут писать книги о том, что, скажем, в Казахстане до начала 21-го века н.э. письменности не было, а потом они заимствовали латиницу у европейцев с 2017-го )) А то, что там до этого была с 1940-го кириллица, до кириллицы была латиница с 1929, а до этого использовался старый арабский алфавит, а до этого... короче мысль ясна. Вы так же пытаетесь преподнести и с Древней Русью. В 9 веке якобы появились мессии Кирил и Мефодий и сделали славянам письменность. А до этого времени ничего не было. Вы не задумывались, не изучали, что может не славяне позаимствовали, а у славян позаимствовали?
P.S. К слову, этрусская письменность, этрусский алфавит, надписи на котором повсеместно по всей Европе - дешифровать и прочесть можно только с помощью русского и древнерусского. Книги хранятщиеся в Ватикане на этрусском языке я могу спокойно прочесть и понять о чём написано зная русский. Но в Европе это табу, запрещено )) Лучше бы автор видео сравнил этрусский и славянский алфавит. Просто офигеет от совпадений )) Именно римляне и греки взяли от этруссков много всего, а не наоборот.
Great writting skills,and very smooth written technique. There is a bit of misunderstanding though in your title. Greek alphabet was not made out of the Phoenicean. There was the proto-Greek alphabet from 'Pelasgean- Pelasgoi', who already had some written symbols-letters, and adopted some signs from Phoeniceans and changed them a lot so can be figured in the Greek Alhpabet. There is a basic meaning on that, as long as, that phoenicean language-alphabet is not long out there and Greek are. Thank you for your video.
The cyrrilic born from greek alphabet,the greeks kyrillos and Methodios took the grrek letters and many of them turn opposite and create the cyrrilic alphabet.At north region of Greece makedonia in kastoria was found Greek letters from 4000 years ago ,from now .Slavs came too later
@Dove Serbian language is close to Georgian. Jani (asomtavruli Ⴟ, mkhedruli ჯ) Bosančica Cyrillic ƛ, Ꙉ modern Cyrillic ђ. Chini (asomtavruli Ⴙ, mkhedruli ჩ ) Bosančica ƛ,Ꙉ modern Cyrillic Ћ, ћ. + Ч, ч ?? Sorry but no Greek letters
Proud to be aramean. Arameans are basically the ones who made the this phonician alphabet famous in ancient middle east. this alphabet is also called old aramaic alphabet. Arameans and Phonicians are basically the same
The reason why many letters are opposite in Greek alphabet than the Phoenician, it's because Phoenicians were writing leftward but the Greeks rightward,thus E,K,A and others are mirrored in the other alphabet.
Read: Joseph Yehuda - Hebrew is Greek Humanity is divided into three families: Semitic, Japhetic, and Hamitic. European peoples were ultimately of Semitic descent. This is why there is some overlap in cultures.
I have only just started learning Russian and the introduction to the Cyrillic alphabet was for me exciting and confusing. BUT the Phoenician Alphabet wow! I am 66 and there is a mechanics shop in my town but it looks like something out of Harry Potter magic shop and on the wall is a set of characters. Find the missing symbol. I asked the OLD guy what does it mean, he replied it is a mathematical problem. There is one one character missing. That is the mystery, The symbols are so similar. Please What are the numeral characters like please???
Getting high, headphones on. Listening to penstrikes hitting the paper and leaving the paper. Me eyes may be half shut but i can see those beautiful lines.
3:23 cyrillic letter Ѳ (fita) Transliteretion of Ѳ: f or th ISO 9: ḟ or f̀ Ѵ (Izhitsa) Transliteretion: ü ISO 9: ẏ or ỳ Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_transliteration_of_Cyrillic
Your theory is inccorect. Sir Arthur Evans expressed that Phoenicans received their script from the Greeks.Fore proved that the Greeks were writing and speaking Greek at at least 1400 years before the appearance of the Phoenicians and their script in history. Dr. Fischer in his book “ Glyphbraker” presents a meticulous and scholarly account of his decipherment of the Phaistos Disk that was based on the glyph correspondences between the Phaistos Disk and symbols of Linears A and B. His work has been endorsed by “ The National Geographic” and is by far the most credible and realistic decipherment of the Phaistos Disk to-date. In his book, Dr. Fischer concludes that “the Minoan language of ancient Crete is the oldest documented language not only of Europe but also of the entire Indo-European language family… it was a Hellenic tongue, sister to Mycenaean Greek [Minoan Greek]… the Phaistos Disk indicates a preference for the written word in ancient Crete (it also suggests widespread literacy)… [and] the Hellenes were the first in the Aegean, indeed in Europe, to use writing…” (pp. 119-120) The Minoans spoke and wrote in Greek, at least 1300 years prior to the appearance of the Phoenicians! Some may argue that the Phaistos Disk is “written” in pictorial script (glyphs) and it is syllabic, not alphabetic. This is true. However, the relation of the Phaistos Disk to the syllabic Linear A and B scripts is stunningly similar, thus proving the continuity and evolution of these writing scripts. Furthermore, the similarity of the Minoan writing symbols to the Phoenician scripts (i.e. Proto-Sinaitic, ca. 1700 BCE; and Phoenician ca. 700 BCE), which are also syllabic and not alphabetic, suggest a relative connection that should not, and must not, be taken lightly or go unnoticed.
@@ateneregalo2966 ευτυχώς τα αρχαία ελληνικά είναι γλώσσα κώδικας, δυστυχώς κάποιοι φρόντισαν να μην το μάθουμε ποτε. Και από θεολογικής απόψεως Ο Χριστός είναι ο ην και ο ων( αυτός που ήταν και είναι) Ελ(φως) ην -ων Ελλήνων! Άρα οι Έλληνες εχουν σχέση με το φως που ήταν και ειναι!
5:30 oh btw, just a little correction, in Greek you forgot to put the other type of Sigma, the one that you use αt the end of each words that ends with sigma, which is "ς". So we have: Σ, σ, ς.
It's not a good thing to make videos about subjects you don't know well. The Phoenecian alphabet didn't had vowels while the Greeks used vowels, this is a big difference. So the Greek alphabet was influenced by the phoenesian alphabet a lot, but the vowels existed only in the Greek alphabet.
The letters still existed in the phoenician script, they just represented consonants that the greeks didnt have. For example the letter E represented the sound /h/, the letter H represented the sound /ħ/, & the letter O represented the sound /ʕ/
Some letters in actuality came to Greek from the Phrygian (Brygian) language. These letters did not occur in the Phoenician alphabet. Therefore, according to a number of linguists, the seniority of these languages remains unresolved. However, here we need to recall the famous experience of Pharaoh Psammetichus I, in which it was shown that the Phrygian (Brygian) language was even older than Egyptian.
Not one example of Greek brilliance .. which i love of course ... occurred until they had fully inhaled the abstraction of Phoenician communication / script .. it was code ...the worlds first stripped down skinny efficient media code... just like this page is propped up by by a media code JavaScript
Meanwhile in Japan: "How about we take the most mindnumbingly complex writing system ever created and then add a few dozen more symbols to it, and use some of each one of them in almost every sentence?"
This fulfills my desire to learn Latin. Idc if it's uncommon to hear these days. As a writer I think Latin is neat! ASL looks very fun too. I taught myself some but forgot it over the years
The Latin script is the name of the script whose modern standard form uses these letters: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z. It has nothing to do with learning Latin unless I’m missing something?
The truth is that the Phoenicians have barely left any traces of existance and if the greeks and romans didnt mention them we would have never knew that they existed. We dont even know how they called themselves, the word Phoenician was how Greeks called them. The Phoenician origin of the alphabet is just a historical hypothesis that became mainstream mostly for political reasons
World first cultures Lepenski vir, Starcevo, Vinca culture today Serbia. World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010) Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together. Harald Harman about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world. Vinca Iron production 1400 BC. In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words. Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan, Wendi, Illiyrians, Macedonians, Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Tracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia ……. Wild Greeks arived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgariens from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection. After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans. Proto serbian language is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western Europian languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
I love how you can see that the earliest alphabet was designed around sticking a tiny wedge into a slab of clay. It's almost entirely made up of configurations of these identical straight lines. Edit: nevermind. My bad :[]
Wrong, that's cuneiform, and it doesn't have an alphabet, because each symbol represents a syllable, not a letter. The title of this video also is false as proven by the Linear B tablet of 1550 b.c. (circa) Greece: the Greeks learned from the FATHERS of the Phoenicians, and their alphabet, called Canaanite. The Phoenicians didn't even yet EXIST in 1550 when the Greeks began copying the alphabets of the Western Semites. Of course, then the rest of Europe, including Russia, copied/derived from the Greek alphabet.
@@awaw3454 That awkward moment when you confuse Phoenician with Sumerian ='D It was a bad brain fart, but in my defense, the letters do look how I expected cuneiform to look: lots and lots of identical lines. Also, I never knew that that cuneiform symbols represent syllables -- that's so cool!
@@eyesofthecervino3366 Egyptian hieroglyphs can also be broken down to syllables, but not the sounds of individual letters. So you may have "bab," "bac," "bad," "bae," "baf," "bag," and etc, if i create a fictional language that covers every possible consonant-vowel-consonant starting with "b-a-" and based on the order of the letters in the Latinate (Engl/FR/ES) script. So you can see how even if we don't go with the Chinese-Korean-JP hieroglyphic-group (these take a HUGE time and memory to learn since every symbol is unique to the full word... eg. Usually a pictograph invoking real-world observations (eg. "discord" is a drawing of "two women under same roof" in Chinese hahaha), but even though they make each Egyptian or Cuneiform symbol broken-down to the syllabic level of understanding, you still need to remember a fairly large library of symbols because baa, bab, bac,bad, bae, baf, bag, bah, bai, baj, bak... That's still not even HALFWAY through the "ba_" party of what you'd need to memorize. 😭 Much easier to memorize 24 to 30 letters. Tell your friends, tell the judge when you get a traffic ticket, I'm sure everyone will thank you for opening their eyes to my completely useless-to-modern-world babbling hahahaha.
*Alphabets Summarised: "You can copy my homework, but make some small changes so that it doesn't look the same."*
or …..
make big changes so that its completely different and confusing to foreigners.
@Montblanc Centurio ships and slaves
@Montblanc Centurio Q1AA111111111111¹111
Almost as if they evolved from the ancient Greek alphabet...
Phoenician alphabet is way similar to very oldest ancient language of Tamili.
Is so satisfying how smooth he's writing
Yes what pen is this? 😂
@@janslehmann05it's mentioned at the very beginning
Cyrillic:
- В в (the author wrote В b)
- М м (the author wrote М m. "m" is like cursive "т" in Russian)
- In Ukrane there is a letter "є"; in Russian there is not it. But in Russian there are two more letters originating from "e". They are "э" and "ё".
- There is a letter "j" in Serbian. It could be added to the cell with "i" and "ї".
- In Serbian there are letters "љ" (л + ь) and "њ" (н + ь).
- The letters "c" and "ш" have a different history, although they go back to the same Phoenician. "C" is borrowed from the Greek "Σ (C)". And "Ш" is borrowed from the Semitic alphabets; compare the Hebrew "ש" or the Arabic "ﺱ". Here, too , щ = ш + т.
- There are two more letters with Phoenician roots, which are in the Cyrillic alphabet and are absent in the Greek and Latin alphabets (they were not included in the video). These are "ц" and "ч", they also come from Semitic; compare the Hebrew "צ".
- Church Slavonic language have also "pure Greek" letters: ѡ (ѿ = ѡ + т), ѯ, ѱ, ѳ, ѵ (ω, ξ, ψ, θ, υ).
There is also a ґ in Ukrainian and other languages
The two 's' like letters might have come from different roots, those both track back to the Phoenician letter he wrote
@@p0.c There are many more letters introduced at different times in Cyrillic for different languages. For example, the Russian "ё" and "э". And if we take the Central Asian languages based on Cyrillic alphabet, there will be even more "new" letters there.
In Serbian there are also letters ћ(тј), ђ(дј), џ(дж). Ћ, ђ, џ aren't read like what i put in bracket but they sound most similar to that because they can't be better explained.
@@user-xh9td7ts1l The theme of the video is letters originating from the Phoenician alphabet. What are these letters of origin? If their shape comes from "ч", then they are relevant to the topic.
Do I remember correctly? ћ = чь, ђ = джь, џ = дж.
キリル文字の読み方ややこしいと思ってたんですが、こうして並べてもらうとギリシャ文字と近いのがおもしろいですね！
書き順もわかるので大変勉強になりました✨
If I remember right, (don't quote me on this), I think Cyrillic came from "old church Slavonic" which was derived from Greek.
@@Bahrta_sai C'est faux ! L'origine de l'alphabet grecque est de l'alphabet de Vica , Lepenski Vir , qui existe depuis 10000 ans !
VÉRIFIEZ !!!
@@nicaburca5571 i dont speak french
I also wanna add that in Greek, we have 3 "s" and not 2. "Σ" is the capital letter, "σ" is the small letter and "ς" is used if a word ends with "σ", so it gets replaced with "ς"
I don't understand what you mean by 3 S letters, apparently according to your comment u have 2 of them, u have that one that looks the number 3 with its small form that kinda looks like "ó".
and the last one that is sorta similar in the way it looks to the French letter "ç".
in fact a capital and a small forms of a letter're considered 1 letter not 2
@@yasser_labii I can't argue with that. I just wanted to point out that there is one more extra s that is being used.
@@The_One-And_Only_Weirdo I get u now
s was also equivalent to ς, with ſ being equivalent to σ
@@yasser_labii He means that we have the two normal letters, one capital and one of the normal variation, while the final one is used only at the end of a word. Meaning that you can't put the normal "σ" on the end of a word, but only that "ς".
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Cus he's a certified calligrapher
I was thinking that too! I need that pen.
He is an Android
That’s what mezmerized me with this video
@@repentandbelieveinJesusChrist3 no.
also in cyrillic we have letters Үү, Ұұ, Өө, Ңң, Әә, Һһ, Ққ, Ғғ, Jj etc. these letters are used in Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Mongol, Tatar and in many languages of the subjects of the Russian Federation.
sometimes it infuriates me that many perceive the Cyrillic writing system as an exclusively Russian alphabet, although the Cyrillic alphabet is used in many other languages as well
Oh, there's also such interesting letter as Ӹ
@@iharic_mc Never seen that one before, what language uses it?
@@iharic_mc Буква "ы" имеет связь с финикийским лишь от части (ъ + i). Не имеют к теме видео отношения буквы ж, я, ъ, ь.
А если брать буквы к теме видео относящиеся можно ещё вспомнить сербские j, љ и њ.
But the author also did not specify the letters for Latin "ą, ę, ł, ó, ś, ź, ć" and many others. The "basic set" was chosen for Latin and Cyrillic. Another thing is that there are a lot of letters "i" and "ї" for the "basic set".
Кстати, заметьте, что поляки, чехи, испанцы и т.д. не написали, что латиница не полная.
My history book had a table with the Phoenician alphabet and their greek and latin counterparts and me and a few friends learned to write in it to pass notes.
Smart
ow can Homer write in the two world-renowned and far-reaching works of the Iliad and the Odyssey in the same chronological period, in the Greek language but with a borrowed alphabet, at a time when the Phoenicians have nothing comparable or even inferior to show?
@@tasost2161 The information was probably just lost
@@Bluesonofman there is not Phoenician alphabet, thats why there are not Phoenician words to spell
In ancient Greece there were a few variations of the Greek alphabet, which were used by different city states. These variations varied in certain letters. The Greek alphabet you are using is actually the Attican alphabet. The alphabet that was used in the city state of Athens. Later, in the Roman era, this alphabet will become the standard for the Greek language and it will dominate over all other variations.
Another version of the Greek alphabet, was the chalkidean. An alphabet used in the city state of Chalkida and its colonies. In the chalkidean alphabet, the letter Λ was written as L. Chalkida had colonies in Northern Italy. There, they came in touch with the etruscan culture (around 1000-900 BC). Etruscans adopted the chalkidean Greek alphabet as the writing system for their language. Later, the Romans will take the etruscan alphabet and adapt it to their own language. That's why, the Latin alphabet has so many common letters with the Greek alphabet. Actually, all it's letters are Greek, if we consider the fact that it does not derive from the attican alphabet, but from the chalkidean.
Finally, the Greek alphabet had a few more letters that over the years were discontinued. This occurred before the classical era (1000-600 BC), and this is why we don't hear much about these letters.
Some of these letters, since they didn't represent sounds any more, were used to represent numbers. For example, the number 6 in ancient greek was represented by such a discontinued letter.
Others, were transformed and survived with other meanings. For example, there was a letter call digamma (two gamma), which was written with the symbol F. It sounded like the sound of two long gammas. I guess it was something like W (double u). As you can understand through the chalkidean alphabet, it entered the Latin and its sound was transformed to what we know today.
You missed one thing - now Greeks use the Ionian version, not the old Attic one. Athenians simply adopted it somewhen at the end of 5 century BCE if I am not mistaken, and then with the use of primarily Athenian-(Ionian-)Based koine it spreaded throughout the Greek world.
@@mareksagrak9527 the Athenians belonged to the Ionian tribe/clan. The athenian Greek was a sub dialect of the ionian dialect of the Greek language.
Koine Greek (or simplified greek), was a dialect that was developed after the 3rd century BC and it was based on the athenian dialect.
@@georget8008 Το ξέρω μια χαρά μα η παλαιοαττικη αλφαβήτα δεν ήτανε ίδια με αυτές που χρησιμοποιούνταν οι υπόλοιποι Ίωνες. Αν θυμάμαι καλά, πριν αυτήν την αλλαγή που ανέφερα παραπάνω, η Αθηναίοι χρησιμοποιούσαν ένα γράμμα παρόμοια με την "ήτα" (Η η) για την διαδήλωση δασείου πνεύματος. Δεν διακρίθηκαν επίσης την διαφορά μεταξύ μακρών και βραχέων φωνηέντων (Ε - Η, Ο - Ω). Τα γράμματα αυτά επήραν αργότερα από το ιωνικό αλφάβητο της Μιλήτου.
The Phoenicians are from the ancient Arabs, so it is said that Arabic is one of the oldest languages
Μπράβο πολύ σωστά
The Greek one you write is the Modern form, in Ancient Greek there were a number of different systems whith significant differences, it was based only the capitals, in Medieval Greek there were a lot of variants many of which were borrowed in turn for the Cyrillic alphabet like н for n
Monsieur vous êtes grec , vous êtes donc instruit de cette façon mais sachez simplement que ce que vous appelez l'alphabet Cyrillique est plus ancien que l'alphabet grecque de plusieurs millénaires !
L'appellation " alphabet cyrillique " est une pure invention !
L'alphabet Grecque est issu de l' alphabet de Lepenski Vir , Vinca !
L'histoire falsifié n'est pas l'histoire !
Mais libre à vous de croire à ce qui vous arrange !
I found a mistake: in Cyrillic cursive the letter М MUST be written like Мм, and not Мm. Letter m represents a different sound /t/ (printed Тт). Also I think you forgot the letter Фф.
Ф wasn't an original Phoenician letter, it was introduced by the Greeks into their alphabet, from where it later entered Cyrillic
@@CommonCommiestudios Iirc ɸ comes from the same phonetian letter as Q
@@odin6369 no it doesn't. The Φ-like Phoenician letter is actually called Qoppa and it initially existed in Greek too but was soon discarded. Φ is a Greek addition, as are the 6 final letters.
@@georgios_5342 Its not comfirmed but imo pretty likely that Qoppa and Phi share the same origin due to their similar apperance and sound. Here is something from wikipedia that says so too "It may be that phi originated as the letter qoppa (Ϙ, ϙ), and initially represented the sound /kʷʰ/ before shifting to Classical Greek [pʰ]."
@@odin6369 Actually it's not entirely impossible, given that the simple kw becomes a p, it might very well be that the aspirated kwh becomes ph. Very interesting perspective, thanks!
That is the finest piece of pen I have ever seen in my life!!
Bardzo ładne pismo, przepiękna kaligrafia, wielki talent piśmienniczy
Jeszcze jak.
Cierto, la caligráfica bonita, las transformaciones, la visión de todos los alfabetos juntos.
Me gustó el video, sencillo y agradable para los que nos gusta la filología.
Talent... 🙄
The Phoenicians are from the ancient Arabs, so it is said that Arabic is one of the oldest languages
@@amadeosendiulo2137 Jak najbardziej.
Cyrillic small B is в actually
With a different phonology, the Greeks adapted the Phoenician script to represent their own sounds, including the vowels absent in Phoenician. It was possibly more important in Greek to write out vowel sounds: Phoenician being a Semitic language, words were based on consonantal roots that permitted extensive removal of vowels without loss of meaning, a feature absent in the Indo-European Greek. However, Akkadian cuneiform, which wrote a related Semitic language, did indicate vowels, which suggests the Phoenicians simply accepted the model of the Egyptians, who never wrote vowels. In any case, the Greeks repurposed the Phoenician letters of consonant sounds not present in Greek; each such letter had its name shorn of its leading consonant, and the letter took the value of the now-leading vowel.
The Phoenicians are from the ancient Arabs, so it is said that Arabic is one of the oldest languages
@@user-fm7nq7ul2c No, Arabic derives from Old Semitic and it's definitely not the oldest language.
The Phoenicians aren't "ancient Arabs". They spoke their own language, that was still semitic, but not Arabic.
A. P. Thank you for an excellent explanation. Great comment. Arabic followed a similar model as the Phoenician' with vowels not being represented if they were aspired softly.
@@user-fm7nq7ul2c
No, Arabic is not related to Phoenician.
@@alinedeleandro123 They are related as "cousins" (both are central semitic) but not like "father and son" (Phoenician is not ancestor of Arabic and vice versa).
The small M in Cyrillic you got there is actually the cursive "t". We don't write "m" for M..
- hey can I copy your homework?
- yes, but don't make it too obvious.
Their homework:
ほんと、文字って面白いですね。国が違うだけでこんなにも使う文字が違うのですから
It is mostly because due the course of actions in the region. A lot of empires and their religious power would create new linguistic methods to write a language in. An example is the Brunei language which is a mix of Arabic and native letters
「民族の人生観と世界観が言葉を生み、その言葉から感性が養われ、絵となり文字となる…」
人間っておもしれーや！
I'm impressed with the consistency of the handwriting, none of my "O"s tends to be similar to one another
Your handwriting is perfect!
The caligraphy is so smooth! Love the K. Is the same in all the alphabets.
O Oo Οο Оо
In serbian we have a 100% phonetic alphabet. Every letter haa one and only one sound. 30 letters 30 sounds. Very easy and simple.
Our grammar tho....
I'd love to learn all the existent languages in the world.
Es feo que no lo puedo hacer. ¡Son demasiados idiomas!
I've always been impressed with the deliberate and methodical construction of written Korean Hangul.
It's a sign of recency of writing adoption (showing the language hasn't changed much since the alphabet was adopted so it probably hasn't been a long time since)
@@marcusaurelius4941 on the contrary. The language changed a lot and it exists for over 700 years. However the language was reformed couple of houndred years ago, and has changed slightly in the last 100+ years to the language we have today. But from the start until today it has changed a lot, both the alphabet and the written as has the spoken language
This dude's penmanship is on point 👍
Your handwriting is amazing! But do you know how they know how to transliterate sound into (shape of) letter?
What incredibly neat Printing!
Вы неправильно написали на кириллице букву "в" маленькую. Вы сделали её латинской. Правильный вариант - "Б,б", "В,в".
И "Э" не в ту сторону.
@@galinamusaeva4877 то украинская є. изначально оно так и писалось, это дореформенная форма буквы
@@kajwbidonajdowlem5013 русский дореформенный не просто Єє, это еще (буква которую не могу написать)
@@saft2529 еще ѣ, ь, ъ, ѫ, ѭ,, ѧ, ѩ (в некоторых вариациях)
Да там он дохера дичи написал.
That pen is awesome.
As russian i can see wrong writing of miniscule б, and м. And i know that greek miniscule π and τ was written wrong cuz i use them in math regularly.
Can we get a greek person to confirm this π/τ stuff? Just because it's used in math doesn't mean it's how it's written in actual greek handwriting. Heck, ∂ is used in math a lot and it isn't even a real letter in any alphabet as far as I'm aware.
And before you get back at me saying "that's how it shows up in most fonts", since when have you actually written "a" as it is in this font?
I am Greek. Many of the letters he wrote, mostly the minuscules are written wrong. I write «τ» like this («τ») only, usually, when I am writing or taking notes, I will do it faster so it comes out differently, a bit messier or more cursive. His minuscule «π» is too simple, we usually include a hook on the right leg (or right vertical line of «π»).
Another thing I noticed is the «γ», nobody in Greece writes it like this. There is a space, or an opening below the “v” part of the letter so it is like this «ɣ». Also, the «δ», we tend to write the top hook (above the “o” part of the letter” a bit higher so that it looks like this «𝛿», but «δ» is also acceptable. (*Sigh*) Lastly, the «φ», almost always written «ϕ» (“almost” since there are multiple methods of calligraphy in Greek and it depends which you are using, if you are not using calligraphy you always write it
«ϕ», not «φ»).
Fun fact: we used to use many minuscule abbreviations, so we fused many letters into one to make a certain and specific sound. Not randomly though, they follow laws, it’s not known to many, but they sort of look like Arabic scripts. This link shows you a Wikipedia page on this, it’s pretty clear:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_minuscule
@@nanamacapagal8342 I personally agree with the comment below, everyone tends to write a little bit differently, personally I write "φ" as it's shown here and also yes I think "π" and "τ" are also how most people write them. But I have never seen anything like "γ" in my life. I also write it like the comment under you wrote it. Although it comes to how someone wants to write it, some letters in this video, atleast for the Greek alphabet, are kinda wrong.
@@nanamacapagal8342 another Greek here. Usually, we do it like π, though many don't put that funny leg at the end. But even if we don't do it like this it's still *technically* readable and correct, just not how it's officially supposed to be written.
Also the t usually has a funny leg, but it's still correct without it.
I would also mention Д and Л are written strangely, in the block letters handwriting we do not write them like that, we write them more like Greek ones
I dont know why the almighty UA-cam Algorithm showed me your Videos, but I love your handwriting ❤️
That the Greek Alphabet cannot be copied from somewhere else is shown by the fact that in the years 2300 BC. (with studies by Tziropoulou and others and not 800 BC) Homer already has at his disposal 6,500,000 primary words (first person present & singular) which if we multiply them by X72 which are the calls, we will get a a huge number which is not the final one, because let's not forget that the Greek language is not sterile, GENNA."birth".
Wow that's a weird coincidence x)
i just watched a few days ago a documentary about it
seems like it all came from the egyptian hieroglyphs (for example the A is a bull, the R is a human head the B comes from a house etc.) and the canaanites (later pheonicians) used the egyptian hieroglyphs for their own language and invented the concept of the alphabet (a character = one sound) and every if not most alphabets that are used nowadays come from it! even hebrew or arabic even though it doesnt look like it!
thats really cool i think^^
btw love seeing you write! its soo satisfying^^
I saw a documentary too(not recently) very similar to what you're describing. Basically the alphabets get simpler and more suitable for specific languages as they evolve!
Besides Greek, Cyrillic, Hebrew, Arabic, and Latin alphabets there are also Hangul (used in Korean language), Armenian and Georgian. I'm not sure about Armenian and Georgian but it's most unlikely that Hangul has anything in common with Egyptian / Phoenician writing systems.
@@nikkiobernik8296 Hangul is an invented alphabet without any direct relation to any writing systems around the world, although it can be said that it's inspired by Chinese writing from the shape of some certain characters and from the practice of arranging these characters in syllabic blocks. The characters show how consonants and vowels are being articulated in the mouth, and that's one of the reasons why it's mentioned as one of the easiest scripts to learn.
Also worthy of mention is the Japanese Kana, in which there are two types: cursive Hiragana (used in general writing besides Kanji) and angular Katakana (used to write loanwords, emphasis, onomatopes, etc.) Japanese Kana are derived from Chinese characters being used phonetically for the Japanese language, whith Hiragana originating from cursive writing and Katakana from the pieces of such characters. That's the reason why people say you'll learn Japanese Kana quicker if you are Chinese or at least know any Chinese language.
Also Amharic alphabet comes from the Phoenician alphabet
@@nikkiobernik8296 pretty sure armenian and georgian also comes from hieroglyph since its in europe
as for hangul, thats precisely one of the languages that uses an alphabet nowadays and that isnt linked to egyptian hieroglyphs as it comes from chinese characters! (the chinese people invented their own writing system like the mesopotamians and the american indians, but it's the only writing system that didnt change much after its creation and is still used nowadays)
its the same for japanese btw
they've got two alphabets and the two of them come from chinese characters! not even a bit from egyptian hieroglyph🤷♂️
Really amazing work and Realisation!
Interesting, how some people in the comments KNOW and KNEW everything already and of course "better"
That ia because we used Cyrillic all our lives, the same goes for greek ofc we will know if we see a mistake
@@snailenjoyer7338 as far as I understood the video, he wasn't giving a lecture on the Cyrillic or Greek alphabet, but rather showed the connection between languages, the movement of how they evolved
That is correct he was doing that but what im trying to say is that people who use Cyrillic like me will be able to point out mistake easier since when you use that writing all your life you will be informed about the history of it way better
@@tormclean9657 that, of course, may be possible, depending upon the kind of information and the tone of the "voice"
The thing is, that nobody can look into someone else's head, so you cannot know how someone perceives, what you say, even if you have good intentions, so from the beginning we can be a bit sensitive about how to formulate the information, we want to give. That's all I would like to say
@@nadadenadax4903 he is writing incorect cyrlic letters aka he doesn’t know shit.
Маленькая буква "м" по написанию такая же, как и большая. Так как вы написали - это прописная маленькая "т"
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so.. is there any carryover from the original Sanskrit and Pali scripts?
this is absolutely fascinating, brother... thank you
ありがとうございます
Can you please link the calligraphy pens. Where can you order it, Amazon or something?
Can anyone tell me the pen brand he's using here? Beautiful writing btw.
yes please
@@seabxnni1156 BIC
It’s in the beginning of the video, 0:01
ZEBRA SARASA CLIP (1.0mm)
Also Cyrillic alphabet has a different sequence of some letters in comparison with Latin.
For example, it's a little bit deception when you write Latin letter "C, c" in one line with Cyrillic "Г, г" because our letter "Г" sounds like latin "G".
Btw, Latin "C" can be concidered as analogue of Cyrillic "Ц, ц".
So yep, they has equal sequence. But it's different letters.
What's strange is /g/ is written as "Ґґ" in Ukrainian, & "Гг" is the /h/ sound which doesn't exist in most languages that use Cyrillic.
"Цц" isn't a "c" sound. it's/ts/.
How come ruins in "Phoenicia" (where is it on the map?) are later than the ones in Greece and Anatolia (Asia Minor - Ionia) ? Where are "Phoenicians" mentioned in Battle of Marathon where almost every single navy of the Med participated either with the Greeks or with the Persians? Where are "Phoenicians" refferences during the conquests of Great Alexander? What was the dress and architecture styles of "Phoenicia" and had they invented it or adopted it? Why "Phoenicia" vanished so early since their legacy in (?) (just an alphabet) was so great to influence Hellenistic Kingdoms from Rome to Tibet.
We can find "Phoenician" letters during predynastic period of Egypt, in Crete, Cyclades island cluster in the Aegean. That's way earlier than "Phoenicia" city's recorded existence.
The Phoenicians never vanished. They are your modern bloodline families (that's why they hid in plain sight).
Sua letra é muito bonita e você também é muito didático. Sucesso no canal.
Greek Λ and Cyrillic Λ correspond
Greek Φ and Cyrillic Ф correspond
Koine Greek Β and Cyrillic Б correspond
Modern Greek Β and Cyrillic В correspond
There are quit many letters correspond between Greek and Cyrillic.
You got a mistake there. Greek had an actual letter for the q and it was called koppa. Though it died rather quickly, it had been used still during the Imperial Period on coins in Corinthos.
I don't know if this is a mistake or intended - maybe the videomaker wanted to write only letters which still exist.
BTW, the same goes for the Greek "F" equivalent which was called "wau" or "digamma". That one gave rise to Latin "F" but the Greeks deleted it later. So this letter would belong into the same box as the Greek "Y".
It's well known that Phoenician alfabet has only consonants. The vowels was added by the Greeks. That's why we don't know the pronunciation of this language.
Can you please tell me the model of the pen? It's really cool.
it's mentioned at the beginning of the video
Zebra Saras Clip 0.5. You can only order them as imports from Japan but they're well worth it, it's a very smooth writing experience using them
@@marcasdebarun6879 they're available on Amazon. Love these pens!
Zebra sarasa clip 1.0
HAVE a look on Vinca letters civilisation 6000 bc. And it have same letters like Azbuka (Cyrillic)
3:31 When you realize the Half Life symbol from the video game series is actually the Greek letter L.
you just realized lambda...
Oops, one correction: tet is the SOFT t... Same "th" softness as theta.
Can you please show us a written text of ancient Phoenician ??
From this, we see how writing filtered throughout the civilized world. The Sumerians started writing with pictures indicating words (Cuneiform). The Egyptians took it up a notch with pictures indicating letter sounds. Hebrew developed it into symbols that resemble pictures but that stand for sounds. The Phonecian is nearly identical to Hebrew, likely derived from it or alongside it,as recently Hebrew inscriptions have been found that are older than any Phoencian ones. The Phonecians traded all along the Mediterranean and brought it to Greece, where the letter sounds were just symbols, as the letters names that they borrowed don't correspond to what the objects they were named for sound like in Greek. Hebrew=Aleph (ox), Bet (house), Gimmel (camel), Daled (door). Phoencian is almost identical with only slight pronunciation differences. Greek = Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta. Then, it became the Cyrillic and Roman Alphabets. You end up with the corresponding letters in English becoming A, B, G, and D. For those familiar with the Bible, all this follows the narrative, as Abraham (ancestor of the Hebrews and Arabs) was from the Sumerian civilization. The very name Hebrew is derived from the Caananite word meaning stranger, as they had migrated from the Sumerians to live among the Canaanites.Then they migrated to Egypt and were enslaved for a while, which is why Hebrew pronunciation sounds more like Akkadian (from the Sumerian region) but is written more closely to hieroglyphics. The Philistines of the Bible are identified my most historians as being Phoencians.
Your knowledge is amazing. Did you studied
Ancient languages? I am interesting into Chaldean Cuineform 😃
Philistines moved from Minoan Crete to east Meditteranean. Stop spreading Herodotus lies..
That's not even the end of the story, though. The Aramaean square script developed from the Phoenician script, which was adopted by the Jews (this name was created during that time as well, being sourced from the territory of Judah that we were exiled from) during the exile of Babylon. It is still in use today for Hebrew, Aramaic and Yiddish. Over time, it also developed into a cursive form, which is what most Israelis use in day to day life due to it being quicker and simpler to write.
Te equivocas, abram significa padre enaltecido, y Abraham significa padre de múltitudes,
Y los filisteos eran un pueblo, y los cananeos (fenicios) eran otro pueblo que se mezcló con la cultura hebrea, allí hubo una aculturación o algo así pues, como lo detalla el libro de Reyes y crónicas, el matrimonio entre el israelita Achab con la princesa fenicia Jezabel.
Ive read that it goes back to pictograms. For example, the letter A would be upside down like the horns of an ox. Meaning leader. B would be the shape of a house and so on...
Phoenician alphabet had no vocals!!!
Phoenician Aleph (a consonant) 𐤀 a figure for --> ox ,head ox.
Greek Αλφα Alpha (a vocal) Α from verb Αλφάνω, alphano , mean --> to find.
Greeks took the idea of LETTER ,they abandoned their syllabic system and adding vocals created the Alphabet.
Phoenician alphabet derive from the Old Canaanite script which derive from Egyptian hieroglyphs.
Semitic languages don't require recording vowels because of the nature of their morphological structure
Eguptians took hieroglyphics from the Greeks. Read historian Manethon. Also, Greeks travelled to Egypt with their ships/ vessels. The Egyptians could only flow in Nile.
@@steliosdok5942 lol
Greek: Can I copy your homework?
Phoenician: Yeah but make sure you change it a little bit.
That's exactly what happened , congratulations. Also to be exact we added more vowels but basically yes
I'm dying to know what pen they're using
Some Fenician alphabet letters are similar to Futhark from Old Germanic languages like old Norse😃
I'm Indian ( Hindi ) and don't know about these languages. , But it's interesting to know ,as I love to learn different languages ....thank you 😊
The Phoenicians are from the ancient Arabs, so it is said that Arabic is one of the oldest languages
You writing a Latin character. English is a mix and native Britain's and Roman language
@@user-fm7nq7ul2c Phonecians aren't Arabs. They're semites, like Arabs, but they're not Arabs.
@@thiagobatistadealmeida6131 Manly just a mix of native Germanic and French
@@user-fm7nq7ul2c nope, phoenician and arabic are related as semitic languages but one doesn't come from the other.
Your penmanship is amazing! Ancient and paleo Hebrew (proto-Canaanite) alefbet pre-date the Phoenician alefbet. For example, the ox head (jaw and two horns) is what became the letter “A.”
Fun fact, it is (Paleo-Hebrew Alphabet) still used by a few minority groups to this day. What’s even more interesting is that they pronouns the letters exactly in the same way modern Hebrew letters are pronounced.
Obviously some of the sounds were different then the modern phonetics hence even the Tora has a lot of debate about the actual meaning of some words.
Some scholars think that paleo-Hebrew and Phoenician kind of arose at relatively the same time and since it is believed that there was big migration during these times (some cataclysmic event if I remember correctly) they assume that these two borrowed from one another.
@@MrAlexDavid It is virtually impossible to ensure exact pronunciation is the same as modern or different since recordings do not exist. The best means of determining consistency in pronunciation are the Jewish households over the centuries that never stopped speaking Hebrew. In any case, there is definitely debate over the meaning of some words, although the breakthrough in ancient and paleo-Hebrew has allowed for better understanding of true meaning bc the words are built by letters that each have meaning, and give the word a larger meaning when combined.
My Biblical “sense” is that Hebrew was the language taught to Adam and Eve and was based upon agrarian symbols that were very basic, and formed the perfect building blocks for letters to form words with greater meaning based upon the letters. It is completely logical in other words. In my view, it is a heavenly language given to mankind by YHVH, while Greek (the other Biblical language) is a language developed by human beings. This is also how we can surmise the “new testament” was written first in Hebrew and adapted by gentiles for the non-Hebrew masses. Just my opinion.
Cadmus was of ultimately divine ancestry, the grandson of the sea god Poseidon and Libya on his father's side, and of Nilus (the River Nile) on his mother's side; overall he was considered a member of the fifth generation of beings following the (mythological) creation of the world.
After his sister Europa had been carried off by Zeus from the shores of Phoenicia, Cadmus was sent out by his father to find her, and enjoined not to return without her. Unsuccessful in his search-or unwilling to go against Zeus-he came to Samothrace, the island sacred to the "Great Gods"or the Kabeiroi, whose mysteries would be celebrated also at Thebes.
Cadmus came in the course of his wanderings to Delphi, where he consulted the oracle. He was ordered to give up his quest and follow a special cow, with a half moon on her flank, which would meet him, and to build a town on the spot where she should lie down exhausted.
The cow was given to Cadmus by Pelagon, King of Phocis, and it guided him to Boeotia, where he founded the city of Thebes.
Intending to sacrifice the cow to Athena, Cadmus sent some of his companions, Deioleon and Seriphus to the nearby Ismenian spring for water. They were slain by the spring's guardian water-dragon (compare the Lernaean Hydra), which was in turn destroyed by Cadmus, the duty of a culture hero of the new order.
The dragon had been sacred to Ares, so the god made Cadmus do penance for eight years by serving him. According to Theban tellings, it was at the expiration of this period that the gods gave him Harmonia ("harmony", literally "putting or assembling together", "good assembly", or "good composition") as wife. At Thebes, Cadmus and Harmonia began a dynasty with a son Polydorus, and four daughters, Agave, Autonoë, Ino and Semele.
A. P. Wow! That's brilliant. I had only known how Cadmus was sent to look for his sister, Europa, after Zeus lured her away to Mt. Olympus. It's wonderful to have the continuation of the story. Thank you. I've always been curious as to why the European continent was named after a Phoenician princess and not one indigenous to that area!
Most specialists believe that the Phoenician alphabet was adopted for Greek during the early 8th century BC, perhaps in Euboea. The earliest known fragmentary Greek inscriptions date from this time, 770-750 BC, and they match Phoenician letter forms of c. 800-750 BC
Meanwhile Doctors have letters even God himself can't understand
Greek. Such an easy language to learn. If you ever travel to Greece and mingle with the population, you will notice that even children speak and write it. That easy.
Вообще то до кириллицы у славян и русичей была своя собственная, а не заимствованная у греков письменность: называлась "глаголица". Все старые тексты - на глаголице. И до сих пор употребляют в речи вариации типа "что ты глаголишь" и т.п. А вообще можно говорить, что русский язык весьма схож с санскритом.
Глаголица было создана Кириллом и Мефодием в середине 9 века,а кириллица создана их учениками в конце 9 века.
@@lerman88 да, про глаголицу так пишут (начали писать с определённой целью), только это не соответствует действительности. Утверждение, что, якобы, до солунских братьев славяне были народом безписьменным исторически неграмотно, псевдонаучно и ложно.
@@os4041 оригинальная письменность в истории человечества появлялась очень мало раз , как греки позаимствовали письмо у финикийцев , как римляне позаимствовали письменность у греков , так и славяне позаимствовали письмо у греков и в этом нет ничего особенного
@@lerman88 Ничего особенного в заимствовании как таковом, бесспорно, нет. Но у славян был свой алфавит и письменность ещё до кириллицы, глаголицы и протоглаголицы... Или Вы насаживаете упорно псевдоучение, что у славян до 9-го века и до Кирилла с Мефодием ничего не было и писать не умели? Умели писать все, даже дети. А о Кирилле с Мефодием которые переводы делали и придумали чего-то - знать не знали в Древней Руси в то время )) Это потом насажено было.
Пройдёт пару столетий и Ваши последователи будут писать книги о том, что, скажем, в Казахстане до начала 21-го века н.э. письменности не было, а потом они заимствовали латиницу у европейцев с 2017-го )) А то, что там до этого была с 1940-го кириллица, до кириллицы была латиница с 1929, а до этого использовался старый арабский алфавит, а до этого... короче мысль ясна. Вы так же пытаетесь преподнести и с Древней Русью. В 9 веке якобы появились мессии Кирил и Мефодий и сделали славянам письменность. А до этого времени ничего не было. Вы не задумывались, не изучали, что может не славяне позаимствовали, а у славян позаимствовали?
P.S. К слову, этрусская письменность, этрусский алфавит, надписи на котором повсеместно по всей Европе - дешифровать и прочесть можно только с помощью русского и древнерусского. Книги хранятщиеся в Ватикане на этрусском языке я могу спокойно прочесть и понять о чём написано зная русский. Но в Европе это табу, запрещено )) Лучше бы автор видео сравнил этрусский и славянский алфавит. Просто офигеет от совпадений )) Именно римляне и греки взяли от этруссков много всего, а не наоборот.
Me encanta tu caligrafía 😍
Great writting skills,and very smooth written technique.
There is a bit of misunderstanding though in your title.
Greek alphabet was not made out of the Phoenicean.
There was the proto-Greek alphabet from 'Pelasgean- Pelasgoi', who already had some written symbols-letters, and adopted some signs from Phoeniceans and changed them a lot so can be figured in the Greek Alhpabet.
There is a basic meaning on that, as long as, that phoenicean language-alphabet is not long out there and Greek are.
Thank you for your video.
the Greek alphabet is very similar from Phoenician, how can you say it's not made out of it?
The cyrrilic born from greek alphabet,the greeks kyrillos and Methodios took the grrek letters and many of them turn opposite and create the cyrrilic alphabet.At north region of Greece makedonia in kastoria was found Greek letters from 4000 years ago ,from now .Slavs came too later
@Dove Serbian language is close to Georgian. Jani (asomtavruli Ⴟ, mkhedruli ჯ) Bosančica Cyrillic ƛ, Ꙉ modern Cyrillic ђ.
Chini (asomtavruli Ⴙ, mkhedruli ჩ ) Bosančica ƛ,Ꙉ modern Cyrillic Ћ, ћ. + Ч, ч ?? Sorry but no Greek letters
Proud to be aramean. Arameans are basically the ones who made the this phonician alphabet famous in ancient middle east. this alphabet is also called old aramaic alphabet.
Arameans and Phonicians are basically the same
Yea basically they are the direct descendants of the Phoenicians.
@@EAlyahya Lebanese are
@@glockymenor6760 lebanese don't have anything to do with phonicians, cuz they are arabs. They only live now where the phonicians once lived
All I could focus on was how smooth that pen wrote
The reason why many letters are opposite in Greek alphabet than the Phoenician, it's because Phoenicians were writing leftward but the Greeks rightward,thus E,K,A and others are mirrored in the other alphabet.
I'm greek and i didn't know this. That's why i love the internet , thank you
Así es.
It's a controversial matter ... It requires a deeper search in the origins of civilization and history...
Can I request sir? In next video, "BAYBAYIN" alphabet
Po, native in Philippines,🇵🇭 thanks
Phillipines: a greek word Philos+ippos= the friend of horses
Bro how is your handwriting like that I can’t draw that straight with a ruler omg
It's only 10 days, and this video aged like milk.
Read: Joseph Yehuda - Hebrew is Greek
Humanity is divided into three families: Semitic, Japhetic, and Hamitic.
European peoples were ultimately of Semitic descent. This is why there is some overlap in cultures.
I have only just started learning Russian and the introduction to the Cyrillic alphabet was for me exciting and confusing. BUT the Phoenician Alphabet wow! I am 66 and there is a mechanics shop in my town but it looks like something out of Harry Potter magic shop and on the wall is a set of characters. Find the missing symbol. I asked the OLD guy what does it mean, he replied it is a mathematical problem. There is one one character missing. That is the mystery, The symbols are so similar. Please What are the numeral characters like please???
Latin alphabet comes from the ancient alphabet of Cumae in Greece
So mesmerising to simply watch!!! Strikes some chords in the heart perfectly!!!
Indeed. It felt like I was in alpha mode as he demonstrated his penmanship so perfectly.
Getting high, headphones on. Listening to penstrikes hitting the paper and leaving the paper. Me eyes may be half shut but i can see those beautiful lines.
Cyrylic should have: М, м, not m!
3:23 cyrillic letter Ѳ (fita)
Transliteretion of Ѳ: f or th
ISO 9: ḟ or f̀
Ѵ (Izhitsa)
Transliteretion: ü
ISO 9: ẏ or ỳ
Link: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_transliteration_of_Cyrillic
Excellent
Great initiative 👏
Your theory is inccorect.
Sir Arthur Evans expressed that Phoenicans received their script from the Greeks.Fore proved that the Greeks were writing and speaking Greek at at least 1400 years before the appearance of the Phoenicians and their script in history.
Dr. Fischer in his book “ Glyphbraker” presents a meticulous and scholarly account of his decipherment of the Phaistos Disk that was based on the glyph correspondences between the Phaistos Disk and symbols of Linears A and B. His work has been endorsed by “ The National Geographic” and is by far the most credible and realistic decipherment of the Phaistos Disk to-date.
In his book, Dr. Fischer concludes that “the Minoan language of ancient Crete is the oldest documented language not only of Europe but also of the entire Indo-European language family… it was a Hellenic tongue, sister to Mycenaean Greek [Minoan Greek]… the Phaistos Disk indicates a preference for the written word in ancient Crete (it also suggests widespread literacy)… [and] the Hellenes were the first in the Aegean, indeed in Europe, to use writing…” (pp. 119-120)
The Minoans spoke and wrote in Greek, at least 1300 years prior to the appearance of the Phoenicians! Some may argue that the Phaistos Disk is “written” in pictorial script (glyphs) and it is syllabic, not alphabetic. This is true. However, the relation of the Phaistos Disk to the syllabic Linear A and B scripts is stunningly similar, thus proving the continuity and evolution of these writing scripts. Furthermore, the similarity of the Minoan writing symbols to the Phoenician scripts (i.e. Proto-Sinaitic, ca. 1700 BCE; and Phoenician ca. 700 BCE), which are also syllabic and not alphabetic, suggest a relative connection that should not, and must not, be taken lightly or go unnoticed.
lmao, that sounds a eurocentric bias
Love you! They just want to fight Greeks as always.
Don’t worry tho if they erase Greeks automatically they will erase the whole planet.
@@mariaxris Ελλάς σημαίνει το φως με δασεία....
Ο πόλεμος πάντα εναντίον του φωτός γινόταν!
@@ateneregalo2966 ευτυχώς τα αρχαία ελληνικά είναι γλώσσα κώδικας, δυστυχώς κάποιοι φρόντισαν να μην το μάθουμε ποτε. Και από θεολογικής απόψεως Ο Χριστός είναι ο ην και ο ων( αυτός που ήταν και είναι)
Ελ(φως) ην -ων
Ελλήνων!
Άρα οι Έλληνες εχουν σχέση με το φως που ήταν και ειναι!
The B one for Cyrillic is a bit wrong, the lowercase B - the cyrillic counterpart for the English V - looks exactly like the capital: в.
5:30 oh btw, just a little correction, in Greek you forgot to put the other type of Sigma, the one that you use αt the end of each words that ends with sigma, which is "ς".
So we have:
Σ, σ, ς.
Holysht so apprantly i know almost the whole greek alapabet from learning pysics in college👌🏻😂😝
It's not a good thing to make videos about subjects you don't know well. The Phoenecian alphabet didn't had vowels while the Greeks used vowels, this is a big difference. So the Greek alphabet was influenced by the phoenesian alphabet a lot, but the vowels existed only in the Greek alphabet.
The letters still existed in the phoenician script, they just represented consonants that the greeks didnt have. For example the letter E represented the sound /h/, the letter H represented the sound /ħ/, & the letter O represented the sound /ʕ/
@@worldbuildingjuice Yes, however the phoenecian was a consonant only alphabet , while the Greek had also vowel sounds. Big difference.
@@johnsinger1887 okay, who said it wasnt so? The video only shows the letters that evolved from the phoenician letters, not the sounds.
@@worldbuildingjuice It is presented as if they were the same sounds, which is not the case.
@@johnsinger1887 i didnt get that impression from the video 🤷
Some letters in actuality came to Greek from the Phrygian (Brygian) language. These letters did not occur in the Phoenician alphabet. Therefore, according to a number of linguists, the seniority of these languages remains unresolved. However, here we need to recall the famous experience of Pharaoh Psammetichus I, in which it was shown that the Phrygian (Brygian) language was even older than Egyptian.
Interesting! Where is the archaeological piece for the famous experiance of paraoh? I would like to read it.
маленькая "в" не такая.
Это не в
@@sergeyfedorchenko1266 там б и в.
Not one example of Greek brilliance .. which i love of course ... occurred until they had fully inhaled the abstraction of Phoenician communication / script .. it was code ...the worlds first stripped down skinny efficient media code... just like this page is propped up by by a media code JavaScript
I love it. Now do Etruscan runes and Elder Futhark. :Do
What type of pen are you using for every single stroke to look exactly the same like that?
Thanks a lot, I did notice russian sounds very similar to spanish, which makes sense now that you show how latin relates to cyrillic
How does Russian sound similar to spanish
@@juli6205 idk but we have some same words i am Serbian and can mostly understand Italian and some words in Spanish are really relatible to ours
I don't know why I stopped what I was doing to watch this but I'm glad I did.
I just want to know what pen is being used. It's so good.
*Greek exist
Physics, math, chemistry : it's free real estate.
Маленькие (прописные) буквы у кирилицы написаны не правильно.
Meanwhile in Japan: "How about we take the most mindnumbingly complex writing system ever created and then add a few dozen more symbols to it, and use some of each one of them in almost every sentence?"
Hello From modern phoenicia 🇱🇧❤️
😮😮 beautiful handwriting
This fulfills my desire to learn Latin. Idc if it's uncommon to hear these days. As a writer I think Latin is neat! ASL looks very fun too. I taught myself some but forgot it over the years
The Latin script is the name of the script whose modern standard form uses these letters: a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z. It has nothing to do with learning Latin unless I’m missing something?
@@Lucaazade he was wrong yes
The truth is that the Phoenicians have barely left any traces of existance and if the greeks and romans didnt mention them we would have never knew that they existed. We dont even know how they called themselves, the word Phoenician was how Greeks called them. The Phoenician origin of the alphabet is just a historical hypothesis that became mainstream mostly for political reasons
World first cultures Lepenski vir, Starcevo, Vinca culture today Serbia.
World first industrial revolution ca. 6000 BC. Bronze metallurgy. (BBC History news March 2010)
Gordon Childe-The Danube in Prehistory, Jacque Pirenne-Agriculture at Danube
Farming start about 6000 BC. Vinca First Calendar start to count years at 5508 BC. Farming wouldn’t be possible without knowledge of calendar. Both development started and developed together.
Harald Harman about first cyrillic writings in Vinca culture in 5500 BC so 2000 years before any writings anywhere else on the world.
Vinca Iron production 1400 BC.
In today English language there is more than 2000 same or similar Serbian words.
Names of the Balkan tribes: Pelasgians, Mycenaeans, Etruscan, Wendi, Illiyrians, Macedonians, Dardanians (Original Troy is here, not in Turkey Homer wrote sea is freezing in the winter-Panonian sea), Moesians, Dacians, Tracians, Rasci, Celts, Scythians, Sarmatians, Arians, Sea People, Peleset, Philistines, Hittites, Bhrygians. Tribes spread in all directions all over Europe and Asia …….
Wild Greeks arived ~ 1000 BC from Egipt, Hungarian from Asia and Bulgariens from Asia they found culture on the Balkans, writings and language and they mixed with domestic people. 18 Roman emperors were born in Serbia because of Etruscan connection.
After Trojan war many groups of people left Troy in all directions to middle Europe, northern Europe to Britain and Scandinavia, south to Anatolia.One group under Aeneas sat sail with 22 ships and about 3400 followers and reach Italy-Etruscans.
Proto serbian language is older than Sanskrit, Greek, Latin or all western Europian languages. Plato confirms in his work The Dialogues of Plato-Cratylus the Greeks used Pelasgian (Proto Serbian) to develop their own language.
I love how you can see that the earliest alphabet was designed around sticking a tiny wedge into a slab of clay. It's almost entirely made up of configurations of these identical straight lines.
Edit: nevermind. My bad :[]
Wrong, that's cuneiform, and it doesn't have an alphabet, because each symbol represents a syllable, not a letter. The title of this video also is false as proven by the Linear B tablet of 1550 b.c. (circa) Greece: the Greeks learned from the FATHERS of the Phoenicians, and their alphabet, called Canaanite. The Phoenicians didn't even yet EXIST in 1550 when the Greeks began copying the alphabets of the Western Semites. Of course, then the rest of Europe, including Russia, copied/derived from the Greek alphabet.
@@awaw3454
That awkward moment when you confuse Phoenician with Sumerian ='D
It was a bad brain fart, but in my defense, the letters do look how I expected cuneiform to look: lots and lots of identical lines.
Also, I never knew that that cuneiform symbols represent syllables -- that's so cool!
@@awaw3454 ☝️🤓
@@eyesofthecervino3366 Egyptian hieroglyphs can also be broken down to syllables, but not the sounds of individual letters. So you may have "bab," "bac," "bad," "bae," "baf," "bag," and etc, if i create a fictional language that covers every possible consonant-vowel-consonant starting with "b-a-" and based on the order of the letters in the Latinate (Engl/FR/ES) script. So you can see how even if we don't go with the Chinese-Korean-JP hieroglyphic-group (these take a HUGE time and memory to learn since every symbol is unique to the full word... eg. Usually a pictograph invoking real-world observations (eg. "discord" is a drawing of "two women under same roof" in Chinese hahaha), but even though they make each Egyptian or Cuneiform symbol broken-down to the syllabic level of understanding, you still need to remember a fairly large library of symbols because baa, bab, bac,bad, bae, baf, bag, bah, bai, baj, bak... That's still not even HALFWAY through the "ba_" party of what you'd need to memorize. 😭 Much easier to memorize 24 to 30 letters. Tell your friends, tell the judge when you get a traffic ticket, I'm sure everyone will thank you for opening their eyes to my completely useless-to-modern-world babbling hahahaha.
I'm a little confused, in what variation of the cyrillic script does Bb exist
he meant Вв, not Bb
@@ThreeEy figured
he meant B and that accental b probably
@@equilibrum999 the soft sign is Ьь when capitalized too tho