Forza Horizon 4 : We Need To Talk About Delisting...
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2024
- Forza Horizon 4 is being delisted in December, and I've recieved 10,000 comments asking WHY?!? In a word, licensing. Subscribe for more Forza Horizon 4 Gameplay, Final Cars and Online Lobbies!
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Forza games usually last 4 years and they get removed from sale and FH4 lasted 6 years that's impressive.
I wish FH3 lasted this long
@@dylan-jordan Tell me about it! I got FH3 in 2021, 6 months after they delisted the game on online stores.
@@ShyGuyBay how??
@@coolkidnathan_1 I got FH3 physical and never got the DLC
@@coolkidnathan_1they probably got a used copy. i did the same when i got fh2 a few months after that was delisted.
"There is a rumour that Ferrari forces developers to put their cars in front of the pack in every screenshot, video etc."
I think I finally get why the intro video for Need for Speed 6 Hot Pursuit 2 has the Ferrari 360 Spider in front of the Lamborghini Murcielago and the Lamborghini Diablo cop car. And that game came out back in 2002.
Ferrari alone can't force any devs to stop releasing their game when there are 100 of other car manufacturers out there
@@01iverQueen they can and do if they want to have ferraris in the game lol
@@charliesolloway2832 that's not how it works, or have you not watched this video? It's not just Ferrari that's in the game. There are other brands too
Not allowing cars in photos if they arent in first place is wild. Insecurityyyyy
Italians...
Its called indirect marketing, ferrari arent insecure theyre a billion dollar corporation lmao
@@Archeoptery Well, Ferrari's elitist ownership policies sure do a lot to reduce their bottom-line. All they want is brand elitism, to be seen as above every other manufacturer even if it costs them loads of money in lower sales numbers and loads of people being turned off of Ferrari by their sheer gall and boundless pride. Frankly, sure this would normally be indirect marketing, but when you take that with all the other crap they do, they sure do seem very insecure in their reputation. Despite his personality and intense focus on making the greatest possible race cars, Enzo would probably be disappointed in the direction of his company despite all their motorsport victories since his death.
@@Archeopteryso why aren't Lamborghini doing the same- oh right they aren't insecured.
@@Dont14-r4k Because Lamborghini doesn't have the same marketing strategy? These are faceless, giant corporations, not people. They aren't 'insecure', they don't care.
Licensing is complicated
hi nick your vids make my day say hi kavyansh if you saw this comment
😮 interesting... explains why I can't find physical copies of FH1 and FH3 then...
Especially for you and the average AR12 viewer
While it's been a regular cycle on Forza games, I'm surprised people quite surprised and talking much about it when FH4 about to get delisted TBH
It’s definitely complicated Nick
I just looked at a bunch of official F1 covers and realized that in a lot of those covers where Ferrari logo is present whether it be a car or a driver, either their driver (Charles Leclerc) or their F1 cars are in the front of the cover. I never really thought of this up until it was mentioned!! I can't believe I learned something new today!!
I'm a QA Dev for a game coming out next year that's car collecting/drag racing based called Auto Legends. I remember when I started to QA Test the Visual Modifications for the cars and we had Debadging as an option. I actually asked if it was a bug because I was so surprised the manufacturers were ok with it.
How much is it?
I just wish companies communicated this stuff better. If every public facing decision was explained this well, a lot fewer people would be upset.
Sadly, they are often Forbidden from Communicating this Information by their Publishers under Non Disclosure Agreements.
Licensing sucks man. I’m such a fan of cars and car games. If I owned a car company, if the devs asked me if they could use my cars i would be like “HECK YEAH use my cars in your next Forza horizon game.” I would make them pay the same price license as normal but i would allow that license to NEVER expire for the game they use it on. It advertises my cars. Plus, i would also allow the devs to implement realistic crash physics in their game. Everyone is like “car companies don’t like to see their own cars get wrecked in games.” Quite frankly that sucks. If i owned a car company I wouldn’t care to see my cars get realistically wrecked in Forza horizon game, in fact, i would LOVE to see that lol.
As much as I agree with you here, its just the sad reality of the world that we live in. Some companies don't want to see their product in a wreck because(and I kind of agree with this as well) it would make a bad image on that company. You may like to see your cars in a horizon game being used in a specific way but others don't and we just have to deal with it or else we might not even have that companies cars in the first place.
@@5peedyRN3true. But then again, everyone needs to know and accept that ANY car you buy can in fact get wrecked. Just because you see a car get realistically wrecked in a game should not make anyone scared of buying that car, bringing a bad image to the company. But yeah I understand, that’s just how society works.
You better make a SICK car company BROO!!!
@@esala-t8b yeah man lol😎🔥
After hearing this news I looked for a way to buy this game.I managed to find a toys shop that sold one while I was travelling in the UK and bought it for only 10 pounds(around 13 USD and 18 CAD). Glad I managed to buy it that before it's too late.
Edit: This is a great video for anyone who doesn't know why FH4 is delisted, but also how licensing works and why some cars in older games did not make a return in later games, as well as other stuff related to real cars in games
Hope everyone has a great day!
Why are people acting surprised that is happening ? Every racing game ever, not just forza, gets delistes after an certain amount of time. Plus why would a developer keep paying for a licensing for a game when majority of people don't play that game anymore?
@@thesadpanda_ Also because there's still quite a lot of people playing FH4 so that's why many people were concerned about it too, compared to other older games
it's probably because Forza does it the "fastest" compared to the game's launch. Second is probably Gran Turismo, but you can still buy games like Need for Speed Most Wanted 2012 and newer ones.
Every single game ever will delist. Hope that helps with the cope.
@@thesadpanda_i think even more people assume that after what happened with the crew 1
idk about you but I can still buy MC:LA or BO:P without issue
What im saying is that only forza and a few other games do it
They better put a sale on the DLC.
Everything apart from hotwheels dlc is included in ultimate edition
Hes talking about horizon 4. You do know the game has been on sale like every other week? Including dlc. I dont want to jinx the dlc part. Ive owned most dlc anyway
I wish they still sold the DLC. Now they only sell the Standard, deluxe & Ultimate edition. I hope it goes back on sale. It was a couple weeks ago.
We are talking about forza horizon 4, not 3 or 5
@panzerkampfapple7058 I own the standard edition though, I don't want to fork out for the ultimate edition unless it's stupid cheap.
That ferrari thing i find hilarious (i know its not known for sure) but jeez they have to be seen as 'the best' lol
I'm in a music business and I have some experience with licensing. You did a really good job of explaining to everyone
Ferrari has a funny story connected with real racing 3 game, only to this manufacturer you can't add any decails, only think that you can modyficate is a paint color (only official one released).
In almost all games they've been into, it was sort of the same thing:
The Crew 1: only manufacturer paint allowed
NFS15: wheel customization locked
Forza: the 458 went from LB kit in FH3 to basically having nothing, even in FM8 where they ended up yeeting the kit that was apparently introduced
The funnier part being is that, you have a higher chance to get sued if you edit their logo, rather than having a weird paintjob (which NFS Unbound demonstrates well since there's no lock of any sort, except the windows not rolling down at the start of races)
They did this to the crew 1 and it broke me
Still one of my favourite games
I would like to say you can get a new copy of the game after it is delisted by picking up a physical copy like from the game stop or a store like that. Or sometimes people will sell game codes online, and you can buy those. In 2019 i got FH2 from Game stop, and in 2022, i ordered FH3 off of Amazon
This is what tc1 shoud of done leave it online
the Ferrari licensing agreement was wild! as in it wants to be seen in *front* as much as possible until it's visible enough to stand out!
Ferrari used to back it up. Now they are kinda like Lamborghini. Pumping out many models for the over saturated market. But who cares tbh with brands like koenigsegg these days that break every number on the chart. I’d still rather own a NA v12 Ferrari though.
I'm so glad I managed to buy this game with all its DLC's like 2 years ago. I had so much fun playing FH4 and it's honestly sad to see the game being delisted but I already expected it to happen sooner or later. Hopefully, it being delisted means that Forza Horizon 6 is somewhat close to being at least announced. They are delisting the game because of the obvious licensing issue and because they don't want to have 3 Forza Horizon games on gamepass and on the store.
Every single game will be delisted and go away at some point. Period. Hope that helps.
As everyone knows mclaren was 1 of the mutual partnerships for fh4 thats why the senna got added and they ended up making 3 different ones in the game there was the autamun 1 the winter 1 and the either the summer or spring 1 i dont remember but yeah mclaren was 1 of the mutual partnerships in fh4. And also there was the normal senna that was in the autoshow but yeah.
It's also interesting with licencing that hot wheels doesn't have a licencing agreement with Ferrari anymore so you can't get a model of a Ferrari, the licensing agreement ended in the early 2010s and I'm guessing Ferrari won't let hot wheels renew it.
Its because Hot Wheels cars are not true 1:64, theyre sliiiiiiiightly squashed and stretched to make them roll better. Ferrari took this as a significant enough change to their designs that they backed out of their license with Mattel entirely, not just Hot Wheels. That unfortunately meant that despite the much more close to "true" 1:64 proportions of Matchbox cars, they also lost the license too. 😢
@@scarleteye2 oh ok that makes sense
Daym. I got a 458, 599, and ff on my desk. Didn’t know they were rare.
This is sad that forza horizon 4 is being delisted
Hopefully you will be sad when FH5 is delisted? Then FH6. 7, 8, 9, 10 etc. It's not sad. It's life.
Every other Forza game has been delisted, the fact that this video had to be made in the first place is absolutely ridiculous.
@@eriklarson9137 yeah
It was great until they didn’t add the packs to the gold edition of the game.
Wouldn’t surprise me with Ferrari. They were going to sue that twitch streamer who had wrapped his Ferrari in a pattern they didn’t like. He sent the car back and Lamborghini sold him a car that had his wrap already on it.
Made Ferrari look petty. Jay Leno doesn’t buy them either because he hates the dealers.
Played all the forza games. I think 4 had the best gameplay of all of them. It really was a gem. Despite the engine sounds being robotic af, very spotty, some being great and some being a literal crime.
(Tbf I only played forza 3 for like 6 hrs, but I have 200+ on the rest.)
I should mention the ai was completely broken in horizon 4 lmao.
Bought the ultimate edition very happy with it. A huge thing is its only around 70gb so yeah. Fun.
Isn't it wild that we are considering 70gb to be small in size?
@@HunterAtheist yeah really miss when games where only around 10 to 15gb max to max 30 fun times now get 2 to 3 games and your drive is chocking.
@@034omkar I remember when games were 200-500MB. I was old before Forza was even born, So to me even 16GB is Bloated, 100+ GB is just Incompetent File Management!
Forza needs to stop doing these licensing for real world areas bc if most NFS and TDU can be played to this day old motorsports and Horizon should be able to stay online still
Great video Nick! I learned a lot of new things I didn’t really even consider. Might I add, I believe part of a licensing deal “expiring” means that Forza (for example) is not allowed to make money on those licenses, which is why the game isn’t necessarily going away, but they can’t make profit from it once the license agreement is over
wassup nick, didn’t know you was chill like that 🥶
Forza 5 challenge idea: best car for every class. Everyone picks car then first race in B class. Next upgrade that same car to A class and so on until S2
(Make sure to choose a car with enough upgrades to get from B to S2)
This is why it's better to buy the most expensive edition of the game from launch so that you can get all the dlcs at once.
Or... I bought the DLC bundle years ago, and have the physical disc.
It’s ashamed they are delisting FH4. But I’m more ashamed that I can’t get the DLC for FH1-3. As well as other racing games like Test Drive Unlimited 1-2 or FM1-7 :(
im always wtchiny you vids in the first ten mins
Does not make sense if there isn't money in the game. Its all Forza doing to shove Forza Horizon 6 out. That's all I see licensed materials or copyright for these days.
Basically Syndrome meme from The Incredibless. When everything Is Copyrighted. Nothing is free.
By the way. I do not see Forza Horizon 4 any older game that has been appreciated disappearing. I just see not selling a bad choice.
Licensing issues with Porsche is also the reason why Ruf isn't in the game.
Why is life so complicated for forza games
It's not just Forza that gets delisted.....any game that has elements that's licensed has potential to be delisted.
@@tdeclan3350 "It's not just Forza that gets delisted." Its every single game that ever has or will be created will be delisted. Period. Does that help?
It can happen to any game. Even gta eventually (rockstar usually extends their licence though) . Think of all the licensing rockstar has to do for gta 5. The 100s of songs, locations and whatever else. No game is safe
How do defunct manufacturer licensing agreements work? Like if Saturn was put into FH5, would devs have to go to GM?
All racing games are being delisted 😆 how can anyone ask this question.. It's not like you can still buy FH1, 2, and 3 still
This is so sad man. great games like forza horizon and grid are lost forever
Ouch...I learnt something. 🧠
I really hope fh6 Japan will be announced at Xbox Tokyo game show . That would be so sick
Also why GTA 5 has stayed around for so long. About zero licensing other than songs. Knockoff cars, brands, locations, etc
FH4 was my first ever steam purchased game . Genuinely not bad
Wouldn’t be that bad if they were actually releasing titles every 2 years like how they used to.
No, we don't. Everyone who know how it works know why it will be delisted.
But when Horizon 5 shuts down, you basically have an empty disc. So the only way of preservation remains piracy.
Sadly the weekly trials are just a repeat of 77. I wish they would of let it start from the beginning of the trials.
Still haven't received the game token despite having all the DLC bar one, thanks Microsoft.
I’m pretty sure the main stream panic was due to Ubisoft and the crew being removed from anything.
This is why we need more burnout games
Not so fussed about Horizon 4, it's had a good run. I just want to buy the FH1, 2 and 3 DLC
Hey nick I thought I might as well give it a shot reaching out to you on this topic. I recently got a pc and downloaded fh5 on it and made sure to sign into the same account that I’ve been using for years on my Xbox but none of my stuff carried over and I got started back from the beginning after like 700 hours on the game so I then gave up and went to play it on my Xbox and turns out I lost all my stuff on there too. So if anyone happens to know how to help that would be great!
Speaking of complicated licensing Porshe is another one that is really picky look how long it took them to agree to be in Forza and not just be a RUF custom. Even the first time back they wanted to be a paid DLC and the damage models has to be scaled back. Even in the toy world they refused to allow Hasbro to use the Porshe logos on Jazz or Dead end all because they didn't want their name on a toy that turned into a fighting robot in a war (might have to do with something in the 1940's)
Also yes Ferrari is very picky when Mattel Hot Wheels started putting nonofficial looking graphics on the cars back in the mid 2010's they didn't renew the licensing granted you can put whatever you want on them in the creative hub but for mass-market it was a no no. Also, that why some other brands sold them as 1:64th model kits so they were no longer toy cars but a model kit.
At least they are keeping the online stuff up and even can still play it offline unlike The Crew games once they go offline they will be dead since no offline support for them.
Seems like The Crew 1's *accident* leave impact so much, that Nick needs to make like, how many video was it? I think it's the second now, I thought he's already explained it before
That said, he's quite chill to explain, so I can respect on that (TBH, I feels like nobody really talking about delisting when FH3 was about to delist also)
Were all the songs in FH4 caught with copyright strike?
I can't believe this video was needed 🤦
i have the game digital, so when i delete it can i still re-download it?
I believe so
Yes
You should do a challenge video of what’s the best speed champions Lego set car like the Supra that you have
DAY 8 OF ASKING NICK WHEN THE NEXT MIATA RACING VIDEO COMES OUT 😅
This changes nothing for the majority of this audience… we all own the game and played it for years
Since Pontic and Plymouth aren’t a thing anymore, who signs the license? Mopar and GM?
Yes, because even though they are defunct brands, Chrysler still owns Plymouth and GM still owns Pontiac
WE NEED MORE BBS WHEELS ......
Nick and keep up the good work real true and I good the video
I guarantee I can use ur logo and be fine. Ur not a million dollar company. Good luck
Unpopular opinion but forza should try add bikes such as pit bikes or electric motor cross bikes (surron, talaria, stark varg). It will open the game up to a wider community in turn also getting forza more sales of the game making them more money.
Wait so if you have a fully payed game pass, when do you get the code for fh4?
6:57 Man, Ferrari is so cool.
If I have the game on the Microsoft store bought, will I be able to install it after the delisting happens? If I want to install it in the future, for example.
All i wanna know is can we still bug the dlcs after it gets delisted?
Lots of skill issues in the camaro
i still haven't got my code yet , bought Fortune Island in 2021 and still continuing from GP ultimate to PC Gamepass
2:43 imagine how funny it would have been if Nick used the "I will find you" quote from Liam Neeson's Taken movie here.
again i dont think the licence is the reason is not in a forza game if it where i doubt motorfest and gt7 would have the car
Okay.
you should have mentioned about car damage
Aight imma go to a universe where licensing doesn't exist
What date do we get the code for the game have I missed it
The thing that always gets me about delisting and why they SHOULDNT do it is that people that are passionate, theyre going to find ways to get the game anyway. (Yo ho ho, you are a pirate!!)
bro thinks they delist by choice lol
Once you volunteer to provide lifetime support, servers, bug fixes, on and on and on, companies can stop delisting. So, do you have a few billion laying around? No? Why do you hate FH4? I assume you are like 12, so here is some sage info. Nothing lasts forever my friend.
Fr@@AR12Gaming
4 honestly feels better than 5
So i got fh4 with game pass for free without actually owing game pass.. does that mean i won't be able to play it anymore??
What’s the best part about a game being delisted?
MODS.
Will it still work on game pass? Or will it still work on game pass if you bought something?
Its dead actually no response from the server anymore 😢
Love vids
How did gta5 not get sued yet😭🙏
why they should be ?
@@Luxx04 did you ever see cars in the game😭😭😭
@@Panther-155 seems you never played gta5
I know exactly what im talking about
@@Luxx04 like bugati in gta(podium veichle) and irl are the same
@@Panther-155 so what that its similar? Its not bugatti so no trouble for them..
This is so sad it’s officially delisting on Forza Horizon 4 already
There are over 7,000 languages in the world and bro decided to speak none of them 🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
@@FiatUno2003Cyberbullying going wild eh?
It already lasted 2 years longer than it should have, every other Forza game has been delisted. The fact fh4 needs several videos telling y'all that is absolutely ridiculous
Man so GTA is a cheat with all the car names.
I got the message give me a code for the game! But they said the code had already been redeemed! Im so confused i hope i dont lose my game
Contact Forza support
Hi nick love your vids you skill issues make my day thanks for making my day better say hi kavyansh if you were here
also make sure everyone has a great day
10min in
Ha
Why bother with all this licensing nonsense. Why not just create fictional cars & places & hire someone to do the music 🤔.
because no one wants rip off cars in games. not to mention actual cars are the reason NFS, The Crew, GT, FH, and FM have been going for so long because they have the licenses for it
Because Pure Racing Games with Unlicensed Cars tend to sell *very* poorly.
I have it on game pass will I still be able to play ( I have game pass ultimate)
Could I buy it off game pass so my progress stays
He literally explained how to get a free code if you played on gamepass. Also, unless you physically and purposely delete your save file, you'll be fine. Any form of ownership for the game is just so the system knows you have access to the game
@@williamulrey4552yeah I heard but I was wondering if the free pass was for listed games only
So then what does that mean for forza horizon 5?
itsso much better
Licensing.
Legal teams.
best forza
Hi
piracy time
Why? What will that gain you? No answer? Exactly.
they just lazy