It's easy to see why everybody loves JJ. Everything he says is good news! I bet at home he's one of those people that when he starts talking everybody shuts the hell up and listens XD! Go JJ! FTW.
Just gave it a try for the first time on my upgraded win10 from win7, and yeah Win10 does not like it at all. It’s unstable. It went into the loop of rebooting itself. I had to boot into SafeMode, and change the settings in the bios then it was ok again. I still have my overclocked settings saved on the Asus suite software, but now using the auto overclock setting is a big no no.
@malows1234 well the same can be said for Macs and Apple ,but you won't see people complaining. When you have set up a brand of your own. Regardless of how there are better OEMs out there ,people will still come back just because of goodwill.
cpu voltage automatic with digi-vram load line = Ultra High CPU Current Capility = 130% Digi Vrm Frequency = Auto OFF (have to test more), think auto on is the best - hat problems with fixed 350 what i see in other overclock guides Digi Vrm Phase = Extreme Digi Vrm Duty Control = T.Probe (Thermal Probe) with this settings and normal CPU= 1,33 Voltage the cpu runs with 100% to 1,464 thats ok so i have now problems please info for better config, not optimized now, but so its stable and fast
All thermal paste [TIM] does not need to be replaced every year. I have extensively tested Arctic Silver and it does need replaced after a time, because components seperate. I know this is denied by Arctic Silver, however, they are in business to sell a product, not to tell the truth. Better compounds, such as ProLima Tech PK series do not need replaced every year. Note that, if you decide to purchase, PK-3 is more difficult to spread than PK-1 or PK-2.
Funny you mention that, I'm not editing videos for Hollywood but I am a film student who is going to be editing stuff. Also ram is cheap and my old rig that had 8gb was always maxing out. Plus I do it because I can, and it's great to have that extra ram when needed. As for my problem I solved it.
loved the board, quite fast and well built. After 6 months i got a bootloop on it dunno if it was the mobo or the 3570k i5 (no oc, no hardware changes ..). i had the deluxe version btw, no more mainboards above 150€ for me
I might just do that, just gotta wait for a cheap enough 2700k. There's a Microcenter in my town and it's even cheaper to buy there than online (even after tax), best they got for Sandy Bridge is a 2500k for $139 which is still a pretty good deal.
Ok after some work and adjustments I have a very nice stable overclock. I'm at 4.55 GHz, cpu voltage of 1.275 (runs at 1.336V) and cpu temp is 59C. I ran it for 30 minutes on Aida64 and it was stable. Oh BCLK was at 105.8 too. That's the i5 3570k and ASUS P8Z77-V PRO Motherboard. Very nice!!
im using the z77 sabertooth board. in the ai suite it doesnt seem to have that auto tuner for over clocking. instead it has the thermal radar . . i want auto overclocking.
+charvelstrat81 Because this automation software running system to the point of extreme load. but u ll not get 90 Temp in routines while playing games. This software gives u stability points and warns about reaching danger.
If you are running a Sabertooth board, I believe you do not have the auto tuning option available. Personally I chose the Z77 Pro board for this reason... I came to this conclusion through long research. The auto tune is not listed on the product page of the sabertooth...
Maybe I'm old school, but I think overclocking should be hand tuned. Not for the best performance, but because just flipping a switch takes the fun out of it :)
I have the latest 908 firmware for the p8z77-v lk and i don't see "Fast" or "Extreme" options in the Auto Tuning. Mine only shows "Start". Is there something i have to enable/disable to see that feature?
ok so i jsut got my asus p8z77-v and i cant find this program for over clocking? i just install everything that came with my whole cpu like all the components and such where do i find this program? please help!
one thing i fail to find on the internet is ow you overclock memory. everywhere it says you can get faster memory by overclocking but there is no information on how to actualy overclock it. can anyone please explain what exact settings need to be changed to get for example ddr3 2400. or is it like the asrock board i used for someone last week (amd cpu) and just select it in a dropdown?
depends what u do on the computer ? something like video editing or 3d rendering etc yes u will feel the improvement otherwise stuff like gaming or just internet browsing not going to feel it
My sys specs: Core i7 3770k Asus P8Z77-V PRO Corsair Vengeance Blue 16gb ram Corsair H100 Water Cooler Corsair 850watt Modular PSU It keeps rebooting then says failed, I have to go into BIOS and set to defaults to get the system to boot again.
I am just wondering, does TPU has to be on when using the extreme option? Also, do we need to fast over clock, then use extreme? Or can we just hop onto the extreme option? Thanks!
39:00 i like how he kinda says "if all you're doing at the end of the day is use youtube and office, you might get away with an overclock, that's not stable under a stress test like prime". Why would you need to overclock Ivy Bridge for those things anyhow?
does this clocking program come with the sabertooth z77 aswell? and what about the temps, they are reaching over 80 degrees. and it keeps going to overclock, where is that going. thought he said 75 centigrade would be bttr. and you dont talk about the temp whatsoever. could you break that down to me?
all good. Yeah I found a auto oc in the bios which did the job. the i5 ivy bridge went from 3.4 to around 4.2 give or take. I think they may have mentioned it in this video, something about it over volting the cpu too much, so based on my broken memory I decided to leave it at normal settings. (now im the one kinda talking out of my ass as half the time i dunno my facts properly before commenting on youtube)
So the Asus z77 mobo actually has software that'll overclock your CPU for you and find the performance/stability sweetspot without you having to tinker with manually?
The analogy was an attempt to express the notion of, "Why buy the more expensive product at first when it's possible to achieve a similar effect with a cheaper product that I can modify on my own"....and the answer is simple, the more expensive product is better quality. I suppose using an analogy related to cars made what I was saying a bit confusing.
Of course, that assumes that all you're doing is playing games with this board. The 4us (or so) hit you take when switching speeds is a problem for some folks.
Its self contradict to overclock to the stage of being not stable to pass stress test and say its ok if you just gonna watch youtube and play some games on it. Because if you just gonna watch youtube with it, you dont need to overclock.
use stress testing and don't let ur cpu get high temps 85'c , any ghz will be find as long as ur temps not high and the system is stable, start with 4.0ghz or 4.2ghz
Try overclocking. See which one hits their thermal threshold first. The 2700k runs far cooler. Then compare the benchmarks. Sandybridge comes out on top..easily. The 2700k is also $50+ cheaper in Oz. You don't buy a K processor to leave it at stock.(2600k is even cheaper and OC's just as well, to rub salt in)
I currently have a Core 2 Quad setup and want to know, is it worth it to buy a 3770k over a 2700k? I found the 2700k for $219 and 3770k is just $10 more. But I'm taking a risk with a Z68 mobo, since I hear not all Z68's support Ivy out of the box and you need a bios update. I'm going Z68 because I found a good deal with a refurbished Asus mobo.
just tried it on my 3450.........as soon as i pressed fast method the computer restarted and came up to blue screen and i had to use system restore............
ivy chips are good for 95 infact after 95 they will start tuning down their frequency... but taking a cpu to its limit on temps can also kill it chance is low... but they can die from it
multi threading has been proven to be slower then non in some cases also the 3770 can be overclocked more but that dosen mean it is faster there almost the exact same besides the multi threading that in most cases is faster but for fps range the 3570k dose get like 4 more frames so its really unnoticble
yap that correct 105 is its ABSOLUTE MAX but at 95 its already its max for clocking so the point of going to 105 is useless.... starting at 95 it will lower ur frequency already
You are in error, most games still use 2 cores - overclock them, and why the porn reference? Yes, I know some games, such as BF3 can use more than 2 cores. Many games do not stress an Ivy Bridge CPU, but do stress the GPU, such as World of Tanks. I forgot to check the upcoming War Thunder, it does require more watts to play than WoT. One of the most important comments made is do NOT use non-validated software to stress your Ivy Bridge CPU. That comment alone makes this video worth watching.
They actually have the same clock speeds. The only difference between the current i7 and i5 is the i7 has hyperthreading which is like having 4 more cores. The i7 is only $100 more, but it still isn't worth it. For games, an i5 is fine since no games use hyperthreading.
Only things I changed were the multiplier ( 44 ), cpu voltage ( 1.200), and cpu PLL ( 1.525 ). It runs fine on prime95 and seems to be stable. You really dont want the chip above 1.35 imo :( way too much heat.
it took 49 seconds to fully complete cinebench.Took a minute and 15 seconds for my fx 6100 at 4.5 ghz to complete it.. so thats minus 2 (Cores) so about 26 seconds longer for 2 less cores and a .1 ghz faster clock so remind me again why i need to spend 230 dollars more for about 26 seconds faster speeds? lol
what supp guys please i need Answer and be sure 100% please i got asus z77 vl-x i7 3770k overclocking to 4.5 ghz i need to know what voltage can i make for my cpu ? right now my voltage 1.300v i got hyper 212 turbo evo for my cpu so please i need help what voltage i must make to play on maximum settings and 1920*1080 resul please need Answer and be sure 100% my psu XFX 850w xxx edation graphic card 7970 asus matrix plantium Need Answer Please about my voltage and be sure 100% !
*JFI* DONT overclock cpu voltage when using Full DIGI-VRM -- make mutch tests and have now with silverstone raven 2 advanced AIR Cooling @i7-2600K 4,7 - 5ghz (better runs with 4,7. evertime have problems when using fix cpu voltage and digi-vrm, searching long time for this fault :D when this is a wrong information please give me responce !
No, all the K means is that the CPU has an unlocked multiplier, meaning you can overclock the CPU in the bios, to run RAM it's about the motherboard. But make sure all your parts are in the same price/performance range otherwise you'll have a bottle necked system.
Looking at the numbers the difference isn't that great from the chart. i7 3770k 9,641 points @ 314$. And FX 8350 9,178 points @ 220$. While the 3570k 7,128 points @ 213.50$ So going by the chart alone comparing the best amd cpu to it's main competitors we see that it isn't much slower at all and the price to performance ratio is in Amd's favor here. Yes, the 3960X is faster for sure but it costs 4 times as much and it's aimed at a different market.
4.2 GHZ is enough and stable point to overclock your i7 2600K I do not go beyond this point. No need as already getting enough and way ahead of stock values.
It may be that the most important thing you will lose by using an 2500K in a Z77 motherboard, it does not permit PCIe 3.0, so, you lose on future capabilities
Is overclocking worth it for a non enthusiast? I have a 3570k running at stock speeds. If i overclock will i see any 'real' improvement or will it just heat up my room?
there is SOOOO much to learn about Pc's! my head is spinning!
z77 boards are alright, overclocks i7 2600k to 4.3Ghz without raising the vCore and everything else at defaults from the bios. Works like charm.
AI Suite 2 is part of the software listed on your boards drivers page on the asus site.
It's easy to see why everybody loves JJ. Everything he says is good news! I bet at home he's one of those people that when he starts talking everybody shuts the hell up and listens XD! Go JJ! FTW.
Thanks! Lots of great info. Doing a new build with the Core i5 3570k. I'm shooting for 4.5 GHz or a little higher. This helps immensely!!!
OMG that restart was insane ....... it was like my Pentium D did a few year's back
non of this work on WIN10...
Just gave it a try for the first time on my upgraded win10 from win7, and yeah Win10 does not like it at all. It’s unstable. It went into the loop of rebooting itself. I had to boot into SafeMode, and change the settings in the bios then it was ok again. I still have my overclocked settings saved on the Asus suite software, but now using the auto overclock setting is a big no no.
@malows1234 well the same can be said for Macs and Apple ,but you won't see people complaining. When you have set up a brand of your own. Regardless of how there are better OEMs out there ,people will still come back just because of goodwill.
Still looking for a good tutorial for i7 2600k and z77 sabertooth.....I'm afraid to oc it lol.
I had changed the LLC to medium. After I switched back to regular I was able to achieve the same OC at lower voltage.
Lol I've been researching IB everywhere and JJ keeps popping up everywhere :p
Asus has gone so far ahead of any competition.
cpu voltage automatic with digi-vram
load line = Ultra High
CPU Current Capility = 130%
Digi Vrm Frequency = Auto OFF (have to test more), think auto on is the best - hat problems with fixed 350 what i see in other overclock guides
Digi Vrm Phase = Extreme
Digi Vrm Duty Control = T.Probe (Thermal Probe)
with this settings and normal CPU= 1,33 Voltage the cpu runs with 100% to 1,464 thats ok
so i have now problems
please info for better config, not optimized now, but so its stable and fast
All thermal paste [TIM] does not need to be replaced every year.
I have extensively tested Arctic Silver and it does need replaced after a time, because components seperate. I know this is denied by Arctic Silver, however, they are in business to sell a product, not to tell the truth.
Better compounds, such as ProLima Tech PK series do not need replaced every year. Note that, if you decide to purchase, PK-3 is more difficult to spread than PK-1 or PK-2.
@foffer Software is bundled with the board, but if u get a maximus v u should use the bios
Funny you mention that, I'm not editing videos for Hollywood but I am a film student who is going to be editing stuff. Also ram is cheap and my old rig that had 8gb was always maxing out. Plus I do it because I can, and it's great to have that extra ram when needed.
As for my problem I solved it.
loved the board, quite fast and well built. After 6 months i got a bootloop on it dunno if it was the mobo or the 3570k i5 (no oc, no hardware changes ..). i had the deluxe version btw, no more mainboards above 150€ for me
I might just do that, just gotta wait for a cheap enough 2700k. There's a Microcenter in my town and it's even cheaper to buy there than online (even after tax), best they got for Sandy Bridge is a 2500k for $139 which is still a pretty good deal.
Ok after some work and adjustments I have a very nice stable overclock. I'm at 4.55 GHz, cpu voltage of 1.275 (runs at 1.336V) and cpu temp is 59C. I ran it for 30 minutes on Aida64 and it was stable. Oh BCLK was at 105.8 too. That's the i5 3570k and ASUS P8Z77-V PRO Motherboard. Very nice!!
J.J is the man, Love you long time
Can't wait to get an ASUS ROG Maximus V board and check all this out.
Auto OC to 4.7GHz on a 3770K. Also OC the iGPU. Stable since birth two months ago.
im using the z77 sabertooth board. in the ai suite it doesnt seem to have that auto tuner for over clocking. instead it has the thermal radar . . i want auto overclocking.
Well that's it i'm sold. I'm getting an asus motherboard for my first build :D
jj is everywhere
why is he ignoring that 95 degree warning?
Who wants to oc the cpu if it is going to be running at unsafe 95 degrees???
+charvelstrat81 Because this automation software running system to the point of extreme load. but u ll not get 90 Temp in routines while playing games. This software gives u stability points and warns about reaching danger.
If you are running a Sabertooth board, I believe you do not have the auto tuning option available. Personally I chose the Z77 Pro board for this reason...
I came to this conclusion through long research. The auto tune is not listed on the product page of the sabertooth...
Maybe I'm old school, but I think overclocking should be hand tuned. Not for the best performance, but because just flipping a switch takes the fun out of it :)
I have the latest 908 firmware for the p8z77-v lk and i don't see "Fast" or "Extreme" options in the Auto Tuning. Mine only shows "Start". Is there something i have to enable/disable to see that feature?
ok so i jsut got my asus p8z77-v and i cant find this program for over clocking? i just install everything that came with my whole cpu like all the components and such where do i find this program? please help!
one thing i fail to find on the internet is ow you overclock memory.
everywhere it says you can get faster memory by overclocking but there is no information on how to actualy overclock it. can anyone please explain what exact settings need to be changed to get for example ddr3 2400.
or is it like the asrock board i used for someone last week (amd cpu) and just select it in a dropdown?
Does anybody know why the autotuning doesn't show up as an option? I have the same configuration like these two guys...
depends what u do on the computer ? something like video editing or 3d rendering etc yes u will feel the improvement otherwise stuff like gaming or just internet browsing not going to feel it
My sys specs:
Core i7 3770k
Asus P8Z77-V PRO
Corsair Vengeance Blue 16gb ram
Corsair H100 Water Cooler
Corsair 850watt Modular PSU
It keeps rebooting then says failed, I have to go into BIOS and set to defaults to get the system to boot again.
I am just wondering, does TPU has to be on when using the extreme option? Also, do we need to fast over clock, then use extreme? Or can we just hop onto the extreme option? Thanks!
Oh and here is the benchmark list...
Since I can't post a link...
Google "Intel Vs. AMD" and click the 2nd link for passmark benchies
it went back to stock speed after it overclocked mine. also the system had crashed at 3.8ghz using a 212+ evo in a switch 810 50f in my room
If i just want a 4.0 on a 3770k how would you do the voltages, i dont really understand how to up that if im just throwin the multiplyer up 5.
39:00 i like how he kinda says "if all you're doing at the end of the day is use youtube and office, you might get away with an overclock, that's not stable under a stress test like prime". Why would you need to overclock Ivy Bridge for those things anyhow?
His 4.7GHz Cinebench Score is lower than my 4.5GHz Overclock same chip! Cinebench scoure was 9.61 vs 8.43
how do you return to the default settings after running the auto tuning software?
Don't think I can get this feature with my Sabertooth. I wish these videos would show a method more applicable to all products.
I totally agree. I really could go for some times on a first time OC with Sabertooth Z77 and 3770k.
does this clocking program come with the sabertooth z77 aswell? and what about the temps, they are reaching over 80 degrees. and it keeps going to overclock, where is that going. thought he said 75 centigrade would be bttr. and you dont talk about the temp whatsoever. could you break that down to me?
They need to start with a simplified version so people like me can get a hold of it and btw where did the TurboV Evo come from all of a sudden?
its true. only 2 x 3.0pci-ex16 lanes.
all good. Yeah I found a auto oc in the bios which did the job. the i5 ivy bridge went from 3.4 to around 4.2 give or take. I think they may have mentioned it in this video, something about it over volting the cpu too much, so based on my broken memory I decided to leave it at normal settings. (now im the one kinda talking out of my ass as half the time i dunno my facts properly before commenting on youtube)
So the Asus z77 mobo actually has software that'll overclock your CPU for you and find the performance/stability sweetspot without you having to tinker with manually?
The analogy was an attempt to express the notion of, "Why buy the more expensive product at first when it's possible to achieve a similar effect with a cheaper product that I can modify on my own"....and the answer is simple, the more expensive product is better quality. I suppose using an analogy related to cars made what I was saying a bit confusing.
whats the name of the software used to overclock it, i want to OC my i5 3370k and i dont want to use the bios
Of course, that assumes that all you're doing is playing games with this board. The 4us (or so) hit you take when switching speeds is a problem for some folks.
I'm running a 3770k and it keeps failing on me what am I doing wrong?
Its self contradict to overclock to the stage of being not stable to pass stress test and say its ok if you just gonna watch youtube and play some games on it. Because if you just gonna watch youtube with it, you dont need to overclock.
use stress testing and don't let ur cpu get high temps 85'c , any ghz will be find as long as ur temps not high and the system is stable, start with 4.0ghz or 4.2ghz
Try overclocking. See which one hits their thermal threshold first. The 2700k runs far cooler. Then compare the benchmarks. Sandybridge comes out on top..easily. The 2700k is also $50+ cheaper in Oz. You don't buy a K processor to leave it at stock.(2600k is even cheaper and OC's just as well, to rub salt in)
I have an Asus P8Z77-V LE PLUS, how do I know if I can get this software or not?
I currently have a Core 2 Quad setup and want to know, is it worth it to buy a 3770k over a 2700k? I found the 2700k for $219 and 3770k is just $10 more. But I'm taking a risk with a Z68 mobo, since I hear not all Z68's support Ivy out of the box and you need a bios update. I'm going Z68 because I found a good deal with a refurbished Asus mobo.
just tried it on my 3450.........as soon as i pressed fast method the computer restarted and came up to blue screen and i had to use system restore............
ivy chips are good for 95 infact after 95 they will start tuning down their frequency... but taking a cpu to its limit on temps can also kill it chance is low... but they can die from it
please can someone tell me if my sabertooth z77 support turbov evo auto tunning ?
lol, you can OC the i7 3770k to higher then the i5 3570k, the i7 also has multi-threading on the cores.
multi threading has been proven to be slower then non in some cases also the 3770 can be overclocked more but that dosen mean it is faster there almost the exact same besides the multi threading that in most cases is faster but for fps range the 3570k dose get like 4 more frames so its really unnoticble
What settings are u at? I'm at 4.5 but cpu voltage is 1.4V. I'd like to be lower.
No that is laptop cpu you have to have a z77 motherboard and a k edition cpu to do a multiplier overclock
singularity computers owns the rights to the intro music to this video, i think?
great. nice to hear
is it possible to overclock a GPU like a 660ti using this software?
yap that correct 105 is its ABSOLUTE MAX but at 95 its already its max for clocking so the point of going to 105 is useless.... starting at 95 it will lower ur frequency already
so you do not need a K version chip to run ddr3 2400mhz ?
You are in error, most games still use 2 cores - overclock them, and why the porn reference? Yes, I know some games, such as BF3 can use more than 2 cores.
Many games do not stress an Ivy Bridge CPU, but do stress the GPU, such as World of Tanks. I forgot to check the upcoming War Thunder, it does require more watts to play than WoT.
One of the most important comments made is do NOT use non-validated software to stress your Ivy Bridge CPU. That comment alone makes this video worth watching.
They have better performance with a lower GHz, and they have a higher max temp. They are only a tiny bit better, but defiantly better.
They actually have the same clock speeds. The only difference between the current i7 and i5 is the i7 has hyperthreading which is like having 4 more cores. The i7 is only $100 more, but it still isn't worth it. For games, an i5 is fine since no games use hyperthreading.
so where can i download the ai suite II software?
it is indeed
Only things I changed were the multiplier ( 44 ), cpu voltage ( 1.200), and cpu PLL ( 1.525 ).
It runs fine on prime95 and seems to be stable. You really dont want the chip above 1.35 imo :( way too much heat.
well i have z77 but i cant auto tune fron ai suite
any suggestions why?
thanks for your help in advance
hey, as long as it keeps booting up, you've got no problems.
Guys I can't see this AUTO TUNE bit....I see THERMAL RADAR instead!?!? I have exact motherbpard with i3770K cpu. What gives!?!?
MSI Z77 start PC in 10 ~ 20 secund !
MSI Z77A-GD65 __ MSI Z77A-G45
it took 49 seconds to fully complete cinebench.Took a minute and 15 seconds for my fx 6100 at 4.5 ghz to complete it.. so thats minus 2 (Cores) so about 26 seconds longer for 2 less cores and a .1 ghz faster clock so remind me again why i need to spend 230 dollars more for about 26 seconds faster speeds? lol
Sweet way to overclock :D
what supp guys please i need Answer and be sure 100% please i got asus z77 vl-x i7 3770k overclocking to 4.5 ghz i need to know what voltage can i make for my cpu ? right now my voltage 1.300v i got hyper 212 turbo evo for my cpu so please i need help what voltage i must make to play on maximum settings and 1920*1080 resul please need Answer and be sure 100% my psu XFX 850w xxx edation graphic card 7970 asus matrix plantium Need Answer Please about my voltage and be sure 100% !
dude, replace (dot) to . in the domain- youtube blocks it. hope this helps you
Does this work with the 3210m Ivy Bridge CPU?
check if you have TPU switch on
Thumbs up if u fast forward the reboot phase!
*JFI* DONT overclock cpu voltage when using Full DIGI-VRM -- make mutch tests and have now with silverstone raven 2 advanced AIR Cooling @i7-2600K 4,7 - 5ghz (better runs with 4,7. evertime have problems when using fix cpu voltage and digi-vrm, searching long time for this fault :D
when this is a wrong information please give me responce !
Easy Question - Do you set XpertFan2 settings prior to running the Extreme Overclocking utility?
No, all the K means is that the CPU has an unlocked multiplier, meaning you can overclock the CPU in the bios, to run RAM it's about the motherboard. But make sure all your parts are in the same price/performance range otherwise you'll have a bottle necked system.
Looking at the numbers the difference isn't that great from the chart. i7 3770k 9,641 points @ 314$. And FX 8350 9,178 points @ 220$. While the 3570k 7,128 points @ 213.50$
So going by the chart alone comparing the best amd cpu to it's main competitors we see that it isn't much slower at all and the price to performance ratio is in Amd's favor here. Yes, the 3960X is faster for sure but it costs 4 times as much and it's aimed at a different market.
What is a good level of over clock for an i5 3570K? What sort of Ghz do you recommend starting at, and when should I stop?
Me too!
4.2 GHZ is enough and stable point to overclock your i7 2600K
I do not go beyond this point. No need as already getting enough and way ahead of stock values.
It may be that the most important thing you will lose by using an 2500K in a Z77 motherboard, it does not permit PCIe 3.0, so, you lose on future capabilities
I came here to type that, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks that!
Is overclocking worth it for a non enthusiast? I have a 3570k running at stock speeds. If i overclock will i see any 'real' improvement or will it just heat up my room?
go with 2700k with the z68 platform
Jayjay you're all over youtube lately. How's it feel?
Feels like im spamming you now, sorry. Did some looking and apparently the z77 sabertooth specifically doesnt come with the auto tuner.
And that's Why I buy asus :)
I'm a gigabyte kinda guy , but even I can see you're just trying to tick him off .
There is nothing wrong about ASUS
cool.