@@miguelbarahona6636 Djokovic's forehand is really good. Career stats: forehand points won % vs unforced error %: Nole: 13% vs 7%, 1.85 ratio Fed: 19% vs 10%, 1.9 ratio Nadal: 13% vs 6%, 2.16 ratio Yes maybe Nadal and Federer have the best forehands of all time. But the ratios are all at close levels.
@@TomAllsopp no worries, some people might think Nalbadian is the GOAT. They are very few though. Facts are hard to deny for most though, even if it happens... eventually.
He's the modern agassi. Just a great all around baseline package and he's twice the mover agassi was. Combine those two attributes with longevity, motivation and the ability to play big matches better than any of his competitors and you get 24 majors.
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@@TomAllsoppWrong. Majority of club players tend to copy Federer's forehand. Its technically superior and more efficient than Djokovic's. Gives easy power and spin
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@@TomAllsopp depends what you want. If you like to grind far behind the line where ball is high - sure. If you want take the ball early and low like Agassi or Fed - this chicken wing grip would not work well. You wont be able slap the ball as you palm is not aligned with raquet face.
@@TomAllsopp when Federer change his grip and backswing...his forehand wasnt good as it was in first 5 years of his careera. Dont know why he was done that but it wasnt something that gives him more benefits. More mistakes sometime in crucial moments, not to mention worse play on clay. Lack of spin and power. His forehand was similar to Djoković nowdays and then he changed that. I m sure if he didnt do that he would won couple of big wins more.
He was my coach since I was a beginner so when I began he taught me the more basic High 5 technique for the forehand and he’s pretty old school but in my games I adapt for power now since I’m better at the game
And the High Five technique he taught me wasn’t with my arm but with my wrist then when I have my racket lower I firm my wrist then just do a normal swing
Slightly un-textbook in the strong semi-western grip, though-this is an underappreciated difference between him and most players from his generation (though many younger players like Sinner are going more extreme like him)
The grip is different though. Novak uses Eastern, almost Western grip, so arm is slightly bend at point of contact. Roger uses Continental, where the arm is stretched at the point of contact.
@@tombuddy100novak's is bent but he straightens his arm a lot more than the typical "bent arm" FH. And like others have stated, Roger uses a strong Eastern and Novak a strong SW, almost closer to Western at times
There are better forehands out there. It’s very good, very solid but generally requires a weaker shot from an opponent to be a real threat. It is not the model that would use when building a high level mens forehand that has to be a consistent threat. Obviously that is easier said than done.
No its even close to as good as Federer.. his left hand is not being used properly for a text book but no doubt he is a goat and it serves him.. for text book follow federer.. he is like kinda author of the text book
Yes. And That’s why he suffer of something similar than spasms sometimes. The shot is so much difficult to make that sometimes he falls down. Yesterday in the final of the US Open he started doing the same with his backhand too
Plus Rogers strike zone was an inch off the court to two feet over his head with very little loss of anything: spin, pace and or trajectory. Novak's technique hates the high slow ball. Many of his errors are drawn off of that ball.
I don't like his forehand, doesn't look too bad there, but when in real matches the stroke guess all the way around almost wrapping his neck at the end of the swing... Weird shit.
@@TomAllsopp mate, being a fanboy is one thing. Saying Novak has better forehand than Federer is being moronic. In all fairness, you didn’t actually say that. Just about, though.
All the people that think Novak hits wit a bent elbow , look carefully , when he takes it back he fully extends his arm . He bends it on the way back . Totally different than Naomi Osaka who keeps arm bent the entire way . Even swiastek straights arm on way back
Nole absolutely makes contact w the elbow bent. He even says he does. This debate is so assinine as it is evident on every strike the elbow is bent. The higer the ball sits in his strike zone the bend gets more pronounced.
@@TomAllsopp His chain is perfect similar to ‘Fedal’, but something I think bent arm forehands allow for is better and prolonged shoulder abduction to contact, then, much like a serve, the arm ‘snaps’ from supination to pronation in a more violent manner. Now, how can this be achieved? If you pin press both elbows back (both abducting each shoulder) as the shoulders turn, you get to contact without having to internally rotate the shoulder (probate) as early. This makes Novak’s off shoulder and arm more integral to his striking and if you notice this difference in comparison to others, he’s different there. I hope that makes sense.
Roger with his grip can take ball early and close to baseline. Joko with his grip can back off and take high ball and camp behind baseline for hours. To each his own. I prefer Roger.
@@EugeneK Have you watched Novak last 2 years? He is taking the ball super early and is way more aggressive these days. His game has evolved more than any other player on tour
@@ctt82 Please, provide sideview frame of Novak taking low ball off the bounce 2 feet behind the baseline. This may convince me. ;) The posted video demonstrates Joko's contact above waste level , the height where Western grip shines But , here is how low ball looks like for Westerners: ua-cam.com/video/CWqrVOW_-SE/v-deo.html Not exactly thing of beauty, even though Sock is awesome player.
Nothing elegant or of beauty Just power n precision n gets the job done….would never pay to watch him Every other player has more finesse than him…he’s just a machine a strong one…the strongest but what a bore to watch…
Not fan of his grip. Had it, got golfer elbow. Besides, this chicken wing elbow bend is not very esteticaly pleasing. However, must admit , that it works for him, stats do not lie. Just not for everyone. Far from it.
@@TomAllsopp Body moving and swinging nowadays are totally independent. Stepping into the ball is single of the past. You just don't needed putting body into strokes , as with ATP swing you have tons of power. The leg work is mostly only for lifting the ball, not for providing pace. As to pleasing - happy for you. Enjoy the view. ;)
one of the best forehands ever! Its very efficient. IVe modeled mine after his motion
Most consistent not one of the bests. There’s alot of better forehands than Novak’s, he just is above average-elite in everything
its def one of the best. Notice I didnt say most powerful. He basically won 3 slams this year with it@@taxationistheft7
@@taxationistheft7Better forehands than Djokovic? (Please, just don't mention the over rated, unreliable Gonzalez's forehand.)
@@miguelbarahona6636 Djokovic's forehand is really good.
Career stats: forehand points won % vs unforced error %:
Nole: 13% vs 7%, 1.85 ratio
Fed: 19% vs 10%, 1.9 ratio
Nadal: 13% vs 6%, 2.16 ratio
Yes maybe Nadal and Federer have the best forehands of all time. But the ratios are all at close levels.
Best ever in terms of precision? Federer.
I have seen his forehand and backhand on court in person, that's even more impressive than on video !
So clean! No pat the dog, next generation forehand, etc. Nole very rarely shanks the ball, like many other forehands on the atp tour.
Exactly. No nonsense!
Lol, if you want to generate power and have decent amount of top spin, you gotta “pet the dog” and use your legs.
@@hanslu9706 Definitely not for the club player. If it comes natural, great, but you can tell when it's not, and that ruins their forehand.
It is a pat the dog but the dog is Big
@@greenhammer1148 😂😂
the loosest wrist to produce the most powerful tennis. hence why the big 3 are so amazing.
Perfect elegance ouverture power impact closing class foreshoot top 🔝 1️⃣
I’ve watched him play live a couple of times. It’s like watching a video game, his balance, movement and ball striking is that good.
Lol except when he plays Del potro in shanghai I guess.
very good for players to model after. Both Rafa's (western loopy) and Roger's (eastern aggressive flat) are incredibly difficult and unique
Federer didn’t hit a flat forehand by default (still put a ton of spin on it) and used semi western grip aplenty.
@@kabob21relatively speaking
everything he does is textbook... its why he is the GOAT
Not in my textbook
@@TomAllsopp no worries, some people might think Nalbadian is the GOAT. They are very few though. Facts are hard to deny for most though, even if it happens... eventually.
He's the modern agassi. Just a great all around baseline package and he's twice the mover agassi was. Combine those two attributes with longevity, motivation and the ability to play big matches better than any of his competitors and you get 24 majors.
@@TomAllsopp Of course he is the Goat. He has most grand slams, most master 1000's, most weeks at number one. He is the one and only goat.
It doesn’t mean all of his shots are textbook. His serve certainly isn’t.
The important is the body like a Unity... Flexión, rotation. And racket finish like a continuation. The stroke is from down to up
Comment negatively when you're as good as he is!
Thanks! I subtracted the body coil, and using just the arm, I have a half swing, half push, pusher forehand! I've never been so steady!
His hips stay so perfectly level through the shot. This is where the shot starts but is often an overlooked point.
He puts bodyweight into everyshot
Tom! Great. Your clips are the best! I Like two frames. Noticed important details. Confirming my reasoning. Plus an extra bonus!!!!! U NEVER, NEVER reveale greatest secrects, offer any online-7days-go to the moon- full proof-become a pro crap!
So refreshing, so modest!!!!!
Most consistent and precise forehand on tour.
Now, yes.
I think it’s interesting that he’s never late with this style of trying to touch the back fence during his takeback. Can’t argue with his results!
The GOAT...😊
He holds the throat for an extended period to guarantee the shoulder/unit turn. A subtle element that all can try.
Thank you very interesting to see it both at normal and slow motion speed 👍
Flawless technique
A réal artist
Hypnotisant et apprenant. Merci😊
Grande campeón!!
This is is a 60% forehand. In the heat of the moment he swings way faster and he never catches the racquet if u notice.
I'll take his backhand any day. The Serbian Wall reigns Supreme 🙌
So clear😊
It is a consistent forehand. I will give him that. But in terms of power, generation and aesthetics, there’s a lot to be desired.
Actually, this is not the best example...his dominant shoulder isn't in front of the left...
Djoko is the best in history. But Roger Federer Forehand its "The shot". A master piece for the text books 😁
Not my text book
@@TomAllsopp Your textbook is irrelevant. Federer has a much better forehand.
Nope. Players should not copy Federer’s forehand
@@TomAllsopp Yesh, they should.
@@Al-ji4gd he’s ruined so many forehands. Alcaraz to ruin the next gen of players
His right shoulder is behind at contact 🧐
Federer's technique is perfect and is the ultimate gold standard.
Copying his technique usually goes wrong though. That’s why it’s not textbook. Way better to copy Djokovic
@@TomAllsopp Right, I can't do forehand the way Federer does, with Continental grip and stretched arm at the point of contact.
@@TomAllsoppWrong. Majority of club players tend to copy Federer's forehand. Its technically superior and more efficient than Djokovic's. Gives easy power and spin
@@tombuddy100Man, Federer's forehand grip is a modified eastern grip, not continental forehand. You can't hit a topspin forehand with continental
Nonsense
I do miss Delpo’s forehand, massive & beautiful at the same time.
Thanks
Better to bend arm or straight arm for forehand? Pros and cons?
May sound strange but other than the perfect fine tuning of motion, he has a certain body structure that gives me whip vibes.
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Yes for sure, exactly how I teach it
Similar to rafa and roger...These 3 all have the same swing rotation... Prove that it's the best technique possible on how to hit a forehand
do you have something like this but for backhand?
Compliment Novak Djokovic
For all of the new Gen coaches ,teaching short backswing forehands.....there you have the short backswing....... ignorance is free.
Yeah. Short, fast whippy swings are overrated
Can i get rafa’s FH slowmotion compared with his backswing before2017 and now?
pure balance
Where can I find the textbook? Can you tell me textbook name so that I can read it?
The Tennis Biomechanical Manual.
Rogers FH was not that bad eithet tbh
I think Djokovic’s forehand is a better stroke to learn from for most players
@@TomAllsopp Yes i agree. Easy to learn text book technique by djoko.. Hardly any shank.
It's just fed's forehand was a delight to watch
@@KhanMunazAhmad Yes, I think Fed's FH was a little more natural than Djokovic's FH. I also feel that Djokovic's BH is more natural than his fH.
@@TomAllsopp depends what you want. If you like to grind far behind the line where ball is high - sure.
If you want take the ball early and low like Agassi or Fed - this chicken wing grip would not work well.
You wont be able slap the ball as you palm is not aligned with raquet face.
@@TomAllsopp when Federer change his grip and backswing...his forehand wasnt good as it was in first 5 years of his careera. Dont know why he was done that but it wasnt something that gives him more benefits. More mistakes sometime in crucial moments, not to mention worse play on clay. Lack of spin and power. His forehand was similar to Djoković nowdays and then he changed that. I m sure if he didnt do that he would won couple of big wins more.
looks so easy than a golf one
One of the best forehands ? True, but textbook ? His grip is anything but textbook!
@@golfergab what’s wrong with the book. It seems pretty textbook to me
Idk why but my coach would KILL me if I brought my arm there!!😅
Why?
He was my coach since I was a beginner so when I began he taught me the more basic High 5 technique for the forehand and he’s pretty old school but in my games I adapt for power now since I’m better at the game
And the High Five technique he taught me wasn’t with my arm but with my wrist then when I have my racket lower I firm my wrist then just do a normal swing
Super interressant
All in the wrist.
Its not a heavy topspin forehand, he hits pretty flat or at least looks like it here
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Slightly un-textbook in the strong semi-western grip, though-this is an underappreciated difference between him and most players from his generation (though many younger players like Sinner are going more extreme like him)
Sinner is similar with more arm and shoulder motion. More flexibility due to younger age?
He's longer/lankier.
Pretty good but the most textbook forehand I’ve ever seen came from RF
@@c-manmusic8211 nah
Fognini forehand is the best in my opinion. Pure, simple, loose yet deadly.
Looks like his body rotation start first and the hip follow . Always confuse what start the forehand??
And, nobody’s yelling at him “bend your knees, load the legs, don’t take it back too far, get under the ball” etc. Did I miss anything else? Lol
Yes
Djokovic is too famous
While I like Nole forehand, I still think Federer has the textbook example of the modern forehand.
The grip is different though.
Novak uses Eastern, almost Western grip, so arm is slightly bend at point of contact.
Roger uses Continental, where the arm is stretched at the point of contact.
@tombuddy100 none of that is correct
@@tombuddy100Dude, Roger has a eastern grip and Novak semi-western!
@@erikbergson6471 Still, Roger stretches his arm before hitting the ball, whereas Novak doesn't.
@@tombuddy100novak's is bent but he straightens his arm a lot more than the typical "bent arm" FH. And like others have stated, Roger uses a strong Eastern and Novak a strong SW, almost closer to Western at times
If we’re talking text book/greatest forehand ever it should be a clip of Federer.
People should copy Djokovic not Federer
NOT textbook. This is Novak's warmup forehand. In match play his right sholder is WAY in front as he unloads more(if have time).
He’s not in that position so he’s not doing that. What’s your point?
where's the snap everyone is talking about
The snap is quick and happens just before contact, its almost closer to a golf swing than a whippy wristy tennis FH.
There are better forehands out there.
It’s very good, very solid but generally requires a weaker shot from an opponent to be a real threat.
It is not the model that would use when building a high level mens forehand that has to be a consistent threat.
Obviously that is easier said than done.
Doesn’t get any better than this.
No its even close to as good as Federer.. his left hand is not being used properly for a text book but no doubt he is a goat and it serves him.. for text book follow federer.. he is like kinda author of the text book
I feel like there's something to be learned here 😊
Well, if you're a real novice and over 50 of age, don't try this on court
That would be the case for every pro. But Djokovic is one of the better ones
@@TomAllsoppbetter once xd salty
Better ones. Are you brain-dead?
Yes. And That’s why he suffer of something similar than spasms sometimes. The shot is so much difficult to make that sometimes he falls down. Yesterday in the final of the US Open he started doing the same with his backhand too
What!?!?
Plus Rogers strike zone was an inch off the court to two feet over his head with very little loss of anything: spin, pace and or trajectory. Novak's technique hates the high slow ball. Many of his errors are drawn off of that ball.
It’s a better model for people to copy though.
Great forehand by a great player. I still think the straight arm technique (nadal, Federer, del potro etc. ) has its adavtages
DYING TO SHOW THIS TO SOME COACHES HERE. THEY TEACH CLUB PLAYERS TO POINT THE BALL WITH LEFT HAND.
Interesting...
It's not the most text book forehand. But it's right after Fed's.
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Depends on who’s text book
Mine
@@TomAllsopp 🙄
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Amazing yes. Text book maybe not. But who cares he's a stud
Best forehand is from Roger Federer.
Nah. Definitely not to copy. Maybe to look at
I don't like his forehand, doesn't look too bad there, but when in real matches the stroke guess all the way around almost wrapping his neck at the end of the swing... Weird shit.
I agree, in matches he does things that look awkward and weird. Never saw Federer doing that
Supposed he is not perfect n he forehand. I think he won out of been a tennis genius
Of course it's, a good forehand but a little to much backswing in my humble opinion. His backhand is much better than his forehand.
He has possibly the best double handed backhand Ive ever seen.
@@ShaktiChaturvedi his backhand is the best doubleheader of all times for me... His forehand is not in the top 10.
Hi class.
Prelipo...
thats why he's ...
If want textbook, watch Roger
This is from a better textbook
@@TomAllsopp mate, being a fanboy is one thing. Saying Novak has better forehand than Federer is being moronic. In all fairness, you didn’t actually say that. Just about, though.
@@jooohan Novak does. His consistency of depth and contact point are the best in tennis. Better at taking it early/off the rise than Fed.
@@jooohan it’s a better forehand for the average player to learn from. Facts. I’m more of a Federer fan though. FYI!
@@acjohn6995 I’d give you the contact point edge but saying he’s better than Fed at hitting the ball on the rise is just plain silly.
Decent form can’t beat Federer Nadal or djvokkc
No knees?
Perfect knees
All the people that think Novak hits wit a bent elbow , look carefully , when he takes it back he fully extends his arm . He bends it on the way back . Totally different than Naomi Osaka who keeps arm bent the entire way . Even swiastek straights arm on way back
Nole absolutely makes contact w the elbow bent. He even says he does. This debate is so assinine as it is evident on every strike the elbow is bent. The higer the ball sits in his strike zone the bend gets more pronounced.
Not even hardly. Nole has a very good semi western. Roger Federer had the cleanest FH tennis has ever seen. Esthetically, kinetically and technically.
No he didn’t
casual bro
He has a great forehand , but not the textbook fh
Answer, yes, and I’ll tell you why if you’d like. 😂
Y ❓❓
Go on then…
@@TomAllsopp His chain is perfect similar to ‘Fedal’, but something I think bent arm forehands allow for is better and prolonged shoulder abduction to contact, then, much like a serve, the arm ‘snaps’ from supination to pronation in a more violent manner. Now, how can this be achieved? If you pin press both elbows back (both abducting each shoulder) as the shoulders turn, you get to contact without having to internally rotate the shoulder (probate) as early. This makes Novak’s off shoulder and arm more integral to his striking and if you notice this difference in comparison to others, he’s different there. I hope that makes sense.
Of course, not all bent arm forehands, if any, are like Novak’s, he’s perfected the stroke IMO.
Federer did it better
Maybe, but he ruined a million players forehands who tried to copy him
Mine is better
Such a laborious and ugly stroke though.
roger federer has the most textbook
I disagree
@@TomAllsopp It is beautiful. And in 2005 it would destroy any pther forehand
Roger with his grip can take ball early and close to baseline.
Joko with his grip can back off and take high ball and camp behind baseline for hours.
To each his own.
I prefer Roger.
@@EugeneK Have you watched Novak last 2 years? He is taking the ball super early and is way more aggressive these days. His game has evolved more than any other player on tour
@@ctt82 Please, provide sideview frame of Novak taking low ball off the bounce 2 feet behind the baseline.
This may convince me. ;)
The posted video demonstrates Joko's contact above waste level , the height where Western grip shines
But , here is how low ball looks like for Westerners:
ua-cam.com/video/CWqrVOW_-SE/v-deo.html
Not exactly thing of beauty, even though Sock is awesome player.
Nothing elegant or of beauty
Just power n precision n gets the job done….would never pay to watch him
Every other player has more finesse than him…he’s just a machine a strong one…the strongest but what a bore to watch…
If you can’t see it that’s your problem
How does he manage to make it so ugly ?
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Cope harder tard
Just like ur mum managed to make you
@@prafulyadav661 grow up
@@emjay2045 gonna cry?
Forehand is easy for every player
No, BH is more natural since the is no body that stands in the way between your arm and the ball
False
@@ArthurVerhulst no... Its easy learn forehand that backhand. One hand dback is dificult thats way most player plays with two hand
Not fan of his grip. Had it, got golfer elbow. Besides, this chicken wing elbow bend is not very esteticaly pleasing.
However, must admit , that it works for him, stats do not lie.
Just not for everyone. Far from it.
It’s a very efficient way to move the body and very pleasing on my eye.
@@TomAllsopp Body moving and swinging nowadays are totally independent. Stepping into the ball is single of the past. You just don't needed putting body into strokes , as with ATP swing you have tons of power. The leg work is mostly only for lifting the ball, not for providing pace.
As to pleasing - happy for you. Enjoy the view. ;)
Definetly not