ELITE Turno Smart Fluid Trainer: Unboxing, Build, Ride Details
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2018
- The evolution of the Turbo Muin, the Elite Turno - Put through my unboxing, build, and ride test... with a close eye on the power accuracy and getting that to line up with my other power meter(s).
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Thanks for the video Shane! Just ordered my Turno to escape from the bad weather here in Germany. Keep these videos coming!
&wie läuft des gerät?
@@abcD-wf9yr Läuft nach wie vor super!
@@thomasarnold6348 kannst du den empfehlen und wie laut oder leise ist der so? Bekommt man probleme mit nachbarn?
@@abcD-wf9yr Kommt ganz darauf an, was man damit vor hat. Für Zwift etc. gibts mit interaktiven Trainern sicher bessere Optionen, aber für eigene Workouts ist er Super, gerade weil man auch keinen Stromanschluss braucht. Vom Geräuschpegel ist er auch echt angenehm leise. Ich habe eine Waschmaschinenmatte darunter und damit hören die Nachbarn nichts, ich wohne im 3. Stock und bisher kamen noch keine Klagen!
Any video where the Stages is in your power reading test are always funny. I don’t know if you will test the Stages duel left, right powermeter but if you do I look forward to watching that one. Good stuff Shane.
Your reviews are the best, thanks for sharing. I am about to buy one of this model :)
Shane, thank you for the great review!!! I already have it at home. It is cool👍🚴🏼
really good video, nice thanks!
Shane, I know these are an old enough model, but just got one delivered (it arrived damaged superficially but seems to work fine and have botched it back together with tape!). My question is whether the TURNO runs quite high resistance-wise? I find it very hard to turn the pedals over on the big ring and any rear cog past the middle of the cassette. Any thoughts? Thanks!
Is the resistance curve on this trainer as insanely steep as it is on the Kura?
Garmin or P1pedals? What’s your opinion after using the Garmin’s for a while? Good work as usual Shane
Great video! Thnx! Just ordered one for rainy (and snowy... and so on) days.
I bought the Elite Turno in early November for 402euros including shipping. Whoever at Elite who thought of the name of this unit is unaware of the concept called "googlability" btw since Elite Turno looks like a typo for Elite Turbo.
Impressions? a good 20% above real power, got banned from zwift races so thank you for the info on adjusting the belt, I'll try that. Other than that, even though it is silent, at certain speeds it creates some sort of oscillation that makes my windows shake (and my downstairs neighbor running for the bomb shelter because of what sounds like an incoming armada of B52s). This happens when I do around 330 watts on the big ring, never on the small ring, and it stops again above 350ish watts. weird aint it?
Oh and also, yes it comes with a free 12 month subscription to my E-training but when I entered my coupon code and downloaded the software, the program kindly informed me that my trainer was not compatible with My E Training and that I would have to wait. This was in late December so maybe it has changed? Funny though that the free 12 months is still ticking down...
So my conclusion is that even though this is supposed to be an upgrade to muin, they dont seem to have really fixed the power readings issue and also the product feels rushed as its not compatible with my E training and the coupon code interface was still only available in Italian and not English.
TL DR; This is a basically a MUIN II in a new plastic shell with the Misuro B+ unit placed inside said shell. I
muin 2 smart so for 300euros?
Hi There,
I've been riding the Turbo Muin for about a year now and I just recently had the same problem as you describe at 330 watts it sounds like a wahing mashine in the highest gear. Stripped it apart but can't figure out where it comes from. Did you fix your issue and if yes how did you do? Kindest regards!
Oh wow, I actually got myself the Turno a week ago and the manual even showed some info on those 2 screws, but not why you'd actually need to tighten them. Shane, is there any feedback when tightening the belt or do you actually have to take off the casing to see if it's even?
No need to take the case off. Or even touch these in most cases, the unit should be working within spec out of the box.
It's also worth looking at the Elite software to calibrate the unit. I did this with my Elite Realpower Turbo Muin B+ and it got within 1-2 watts of my two P2M power meters.
James Jordan The Turno can't be calibrated yet with the app. Also, the PC app does not even support the Turno yet.
Sebastian Schwerdtfeger ok, i just figured the app would work with all the current models after the update.
I thought so too, sadly not (yet) :(
can it be calibrated yet?
hola, es imprescindible enchufarlo para utilizarlo?saludos
Wow Elite is cranking out smart trainers. I'm surprised they have as many SKUs as they do.
When I pair my misuro b+ equipped trainer to zwift over bluetooth, it shows that I'm a zpower user. Over ANT+ it reads as a power meter, but I just can't seem to get as reliable a signal as bluetooth paired through ZML. I've done some digging around and saw a single zwift support thread where they said they removed the "lightning bolt" for misuro units because they're power calculators. Have you seen that with this unit? I find it odd that it only happens (for me) when paired over bluetooth. If this one still says that a rider is a zpower user (and hence subject to racing disqualification) then it seems like a steep price tag.
Is there a way to decrease the resistance on the Real turbo muin b+ ? Far too hard compared to real ride on road with the same gear ratio.. Thanks for your awesome instructive videos..
No.
No knocking problem like the turbo muin?
Hello,
I would like to ask you if is normal with this trainer that in ZWIFT sometimes the cadence drops significantly for about two secs and then get back to normal.
Hi. Possible to reduce the resistance of the elite turno (I have a 54 mono chainring..chained always on the left..) Thanks
Now I have elite turno & I have doubts, can I set my trainer on balcony? Now isn't so cold (7*C), but in winter frost will come. Can Trainer stay on balcony all week? When is frost. May I need only store Misuro + transmitter in home?
Shane what unit (any manuf) would you recommend for an enjoyable winter of zwift?
gplama.blogspot.com.au/p/indoor-trainer-guide-gplama.html
i have a question, how many blink to setup the misuro sensor ? 5 or 7 ?
Hey Shane! Need some advice. How do I check the accuracy (power )of my turno in the absence of an external power meter?
You can't. To measure something, you need something to measure against.
Hey Shane nice video,just had order turno my self get interesting because of one of u video,I just had problem with reconnecting elite misuro blue+.not event show up to reconnect on Zwift apps on Apple TV 4K,any advice to make it work? Thanks best regards
One for Zwift Support
Cool unboxing, I'm planning buy this, but I have one doubt...
Is it possible to ride with a high cadence? There is no control here, and the resistance probably increases with the load. For example, if I'm going with cad. 90 and on the same load I would like to go with the cad. 135, the trainer may begin increasing the resistance so that the cad. 90 left?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
Once, I was pedalling on a machine in the gym, which increased the resistance with the force, so it was possible to ride max. at cad. 45. (air turbine resistance)
As for the measurements, the difference of 64W in the sprint is quite a lot, especially 1 W / kg more or less for me. But looking at it generally charges a couple of watts at constant speeds, that balance flattens out.
It depends on the bike gearing, I guess. It has been a few years since I've ridden this trainer.
What is your opinion about possible damage or fatigue of the material on any indoor trainer, when you are out of the saddle?
Damage to the bike frame? None if used correctly. ua-cam.com/video/ISsrgn3YyGQ/v-deo.html
Shane, you seem a little cautious on the Vector 3s. Are they temperamental?
Nope
Does the Turno can automatically simulate the resistance of a specific route that i did in my Garmin 520?
No. It’s not an interactive trainer.
this or a lemond rev, primarily for TT warmups,TT bike has a CB PM ,I have option of both 2nd hand for 120 euro.thanks Shane!
If noise isn’t a problem, go with the LeMond.
@@gplama cheers Shane,direto xr for everything else and lemond for pre tt warm ups .hope all is good in Oz
where did you get the thing to connect the trainer to the bike (the one that goes through the wheel originally)
The skewer should be in the box.
Just curious, what would happen if you put out over 1580w into the trainer? Would it top out or just read in accurately?
Not a lot... but with those numbers you need to be outside winning races! :)
How do I get one in Australia? Looks like cassons doesn’t bring it into the country so I’ll have to get it from wiggle or chain reaction?
Ping Elite Support direct. They'll be able to point you in the right direction.
Hi Shane, any recommendations on fluid direct drive that's not smart? Any info will be appreciated. Thanks
Elite Turno is the best bet still
Thank you!
was it reading to low or to high power before u tweaked the tension?
I can't recall sorry, this was a few years ago now. If you're having accuracy issues ping Elite Support on this one.
How do i make the right settings in the Misuro B+ with my Elite Turno hometrainer? The hometrainer is not listed in the manual, so i don't know how many "blink" is accuired in the settings, for showing the right speed with Swift.
Best contact Elite support on this one. They should have the manual online that outlines everything too.
jet black whisper ftw
Hi, with respect to a trainer like the kickr core is it much noisier?
The Turno isn’t very noisey. I haven’t don’t a direct comparison with the CORE.
Hi Shane! Which one would you buy? Elite Turno or Tacx Flux (S)
Two very different trainers. We’ve not seen a Flux S yet either for test riding.
If you can choose only Turno and Flux? Forget the "S".
Sorry, I find it difficult to do role-play. Best visit a local bike store and test ride.
Hi! Would it be possible to train on this trainer with a 34 tooth chainring in the front and an 11-42 cassette or do I need heavier gears to get any resistance? Want to use it with my mtb!
I can’t see why not.
Shane Miller - GPLama Thanks for a quick answer! So does the resistance in the trainer increase when I use a higher cadence? Afraid that I would spin out since I'm just able to reach around 40 kmh out on the road with my gears.
@@rickardnorlin271 The resistance increased based on flywheel speed. Cadence depends on gearing. You'll need to test ride to see if it'll provide enough resistance with your gearing. If that's not possible, drop this as an option and go with something you can test ride to be sure it's the best solution for your training.
Hello , i boght the turno and i whant to know if the power meter works and how, mine dosen't read the power. Thanks to all!
Elite Support is your best bet here.
where does the dirt fit into the Elite offerings
The dirt? Direto? Just under the Drivo. Too many imo.
will the turno trainer fit in a bike frame with a rear spacing of 126 mm
or less than 130 mm will just not be enough ?
Unlikely. Best ping Elite Support to be sure.
Does it come with the Elite front wheel block?
No, there's nothing except for the through axle adapters. For my setup I actually don't even need the block, the bike is already leveled.
My options are Elite Turno or the Wahoo Snap. I do have power pedals on the bike for power measurements. Whats the best buy for me?
I guess adding calibration process never happened. Did Elite actually ever update their devices firmware? 🤔
We're still waiting for them to release an app which makes the process easy (consumer easy)
@@gplama I'm looking forward to that. Come on Elite, deliver!
At 1:00 also combatable with ??? out of the box?
Thru-Axle
Hola, intento seguir tus vídeos, pero me cuesta mucho por el idioma. Sería fenomenal que pudieras poner subtítulos en Español. Gracias. Hello, I try to follow your videos, but it costs me a lot because of the language. It would be great if you could put subtitles in Spanish. Thank you.
So, whats the difference between drivo, kura and turno ?
Best hit up www.elite-it.com/en for the overview/comparisons on their products.
Hello sir ! I am planning to buy elite turno trainer! May i know if misuro b+ included in the package or i need to buy it separately?
I believe it’s included. Check with where you’re purchasing to be sure.
@@gplama thank you sir! 🙏
Yes
Is it compatible with a wahoo element bolt?
The BOLT should read speed/power from this.
Hi Shane,
Is it possible to replace original cassette for 8-speed shimano cassette
Yes
@@gplamathank you. Are spacers needed?
@@oninjadaburaca Everything you need should be supplied in the box.
How noisy is it? Do you recommend it to use it in a building?
The Turno isn't too bad on noise. It's very hard to know what will work and what levels you expect. If you can test ride one in store I'd recommend it.
Thanks for the fast reply!
Hi, Shane. I bought this product and I have an issue. Maybe you might give me a solution. Above 23, 24 km/h speed sensor is not sending a data to my Wahoo Elemnt device. My training automatically stops and km/h line shows nothing. This happens also when I sprinting. Any idea to fix this?
Hmmmm. One for Elite support. Maybe check with another head unit to see if it’s the trainer or the ELEMNT.
Shane Miller - GPLama I wrote down this problem to Elite support. I wonder have you ever faced this problem?
I haven’t, no.
Shane Miller - GPLama Maybe the reason is Wahoo maybe not. Well, I have to wait Elite Support's answer. Thanks you Shane.
my turno feels way off in power measurement - 150w feel like 200w - even after warming up - how did you resolve it?
Ping Elite Support on this one.
@@gplama thanks maybe ill do that - btw at 6:46 you put in the misuro the wrong way, it says in the manual that the notch should face front. maybe this will make it even more accurate?
Hi Stefan, any news on this? How did you solved it?
@@AdrianSinner97 yeah, so i noticed the following - for the first 10min the turno displays wattage way off compared to my crank arm power meter (like around 10%). after that, values start to align and after another 5-10minutes (20min total) the turno kept displaying only around 3-4% below my power meter data - it didnt change after that. i then started to turn the nut thats responsible for the belt tension only 1/4 of a half turn until wattage was almost completely aligned. the next trainingssession it was still displaying right data so seems like it worked for me, but you nead AT LEAST 10-15min warmup on the trainer, at start you will still have around 3-4% wrong data.
@@blinzi69 thing is i don t want to buy anither measurement unit so i will do this blindly hahaha.
After thighten it, you still need 10 min warm up?
Is the freehub body included?
There's a freehub body on this unit yes. You need to supply a cassette.
Hi, can I use this trainer with Zwift? I ask this because on the website of zwift searching for a compability trainers can't find this modell. Thank you
I checked this list and the Elite Turno is not supported zwift.com/hardware , please let me know how did you used it with Zwift
It is not an interactive trainer so Zwift cannot add resistance when you go up a hill on the platform. However, it can send power and cadence data to Zwift, which can use this to slow your speed down, and give the appearance that you are going slower up a hill. Power is correlated with the speed the flywheel is turning, and this is how fluid trainers provide and estimated power. So you can use this with Zwift, but it will not give you the full experience.
does it work with shimano 24v?
Shimano 24v? Not sure what that is sorry.
How does this trainer pick cadence data??
Data transmission is wireless via ANT+™ (Power and Speed&Cadence) and Bluetooth Smart communication protocols. (From the Elite Website)
Hello how can i connect elite turno to bkool?
Contact BKool support.
How?
@@jractv How do you contact BKool support? Try their website.
What is "Smart" about this device exactly?! It doesn't actually record power... just guesses it based on a curve. So the same as Zwift does with a dumb trainer. It isn't controllable.
May as well just get a cheap fluid trainer and speed sensor!
Splitting hairs - The ANT+ and BLE transmission of data = Smart. It's non-interactive, yep.
Shane Miller it's still a glorified dumb trainer with a speed sensor. Would be better off buying a cheap trainer and power meter for the cost of this!
Sure
1:32 looking hench
Hello friend..
you have to be very careful when you talk about anything in your videos .. I mean calibrating the simulator .. It's an extremely delicate process. It´s better to say nothing. I´m not able to calibrate correctly. I don´t know which direction i choosed.. And now.. System of calibration is crazy stupide.. There is no any scale!
Turno - Is it a Turn off?