TACX FLUX Smart Trainer: Unboxing. Building. First Ride
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- Опубліковано 4 гру 2016
- TACX FLUX Smart Trainer: Unboxing. Building. First Ride.
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Been waiting for this review with great expectations, great job!
Fantastic Shane, thank you for the informative first look. Now just to hope my pre-order does not get delayed/ pushed back any further here in the UK - currently due on the 9th December!!
Solid video Shane. Appreciate the thoroughness of your content!
Great lighting throughout the video. Informative and factual. Loving your work. 😜
Cheers. The main camera (Canon G7X MkII) had washed out colours that I could have corrected.... but... content over polish. The shot from the side/floor was from the iPad Pro... that has an amazing camera. I'll use it more for 2nd shots from now on.
Looking good and also looking forward for your detailed review. Great work!
Good video Shane. I've never ridden on a smart trainer, and honestly I'm not sure I'll be getting one soon but I'm still very interested in them and your vids have explained a lot and given me good insight into them. Loved the ending of this one too!
Cracking video mate and explaine everything so well and clear, keep up the good work buddie
Nice video Shane, cheers!
Looks good Llama. Looking forward to the further tests to come. Ill be in the market for a new trainer after summer is out now i got myself a new bike :D
Yippee!! (Love the Back to the Future splice lmao)
Nice review!!! Tanks for share
how to mount the casette the easy way : you can put that plastic thing on top of the freehub after you removed the pins and slide it on instead of doing it chainring by chainring ;)
Great tip! Thanks.
awesome! that look to your wife was hilarious at the end.
I was anti-zwift for the longest time but your channel convinced me to buy a tacx flux and a zwift membership. Well done sir 😜 👍🏻
How you like it 1 year later?
Jelmer van Kampen Yes, i wanna know iT to
Does the flux change resistance for you etc? Just started looking at buying an indoor trainer and don’t want to get one if it doesn’t? Would you recommend the flux?
😂 i will follow you soon
I did all the installation following your steps, I downloaded the tacx
thanks! helps a lot!
Thanks chap - really useful review and I've since clocked up 2.5km on my flux(s!) and zwift...loving it!
#zwiftriders
My Tacx Flux which was delivered yesterday and I wasted no time getting it up and running.
Overall, if this is your first smart trainer, you will not be disappointed as it is good for the money.
But… I was/am a bit disappointed. The Flux didn’t feel much different to my old Bkool Pro (on wheel) smart trainer (cost £350 last year) that I had for 11 months/1100+ miles. I was expecting a more realistic road feel from a direct drive trainer compared to an ‘on wheel’ trainer.
I wasn’t blown away by anything it did… apart from the lack of noise! This trainer is QUIET! When I used my Bkool Pro, I never thought ‘this is a bit loud’. The Bkool ‘noise’ never bothered me and my cooling fan was noisier just on setting 1! The Flux is noticeably quieter. I reckon you could use this in the room next to where a small child is sleeping with no problems, as long as you don’t clunk the gears or breathe REALLY heavy! It doesn’t seem to vibrate much either although my Flux was on a concrete, MDF boarded, carpeted floor in my garage.
I am a bit upset that this is the only thing that I thought was better with the Flux. It’s only since reading all the blogs about trainers, that the ‘noise’ they make is a big selling point. The Neo much be REALLY quiet!
It was easy to assemble but I did notice a large gap between the cases where they meet in one place. It shouldn’t have left the factory looking like that so the quality control was a bit lacking in the rush to get it out, I think.
I then tried for about 10 mins to get the Flux connected to my Bkool app, but gave up and I decided to use Zwift instead (for the first time ever). The Flux and Zwift connected straight away.
I calibrated the Flux with the Tacx Utility App and then I set off on a Zwift mountain ride that I just picked at random. It didn’t seem to working properly with the changes in gradient and didn’t seem real at all so I quit Zwift as I needed a true gradient to get a feel of how the Flux felt.
I then updated the Flux firmware using the Tacx Utility app (and it did need an update) and now it did connect to the Bkool app :-)
Right… now on familiar ground, I selected my first ever ‘virtual’ route I rode November ’15 on my Bkool Pro smart trainer, La Vuelta 2014 E11 (17 miles), so I could compare the two trainers a bit better. www.strava.com/activities/796124683
The ride felt easier at first with the Flux and when the climbs started the extra resistance kicked in. The steepest climb was around 11% and it did feel like 11%, unlike the gradients on Zwift earlier.
My biggest surprise was on the downhill after the last, highest peak. It isn’t a really steep descent and averages out around -4%. It flattens off and then rises slightly (1.5% to 5%) in places but a good downhill where you can keep your momentum if at speed. I tried to carry speed all the way down but the Flux didn’t seem to want to help. It was if I was going downhill into a headwind (you know what I mean). It did disappoint me. My old Bkool Pro (on wheel smart trainer) didn’t feel as quite as good going up the climbs but it did feel a lot better going down.
It is the first time the Flux has been run and might loosen up with more miles.
I’m going give Zwift another try this morning to see how the Flux feels on that.
Thanks for posting this up mate.
RE: Zwift control. Sounds like something else had a BLE connection to the trainer and it wasn't responding to the gradient changes because of that? Just a guess. The gradient changes should be very apparent under normal conditions on Zwift.
RE: Downhills. Hmm. It's all about w/kg (or more basically the power) you produce. So when there's less resistance on a downhill it's harder to produce force required to create more power. That's a given... but... Due to how the FLUX estimates power based on flywheel speed, and I believe it factors in 'gradient', it is very difficult to keep the watts high downhill. I'm not sure if this is purely by design.... I've flagged it with Tacx for review. Wahoo addressed this with a firmware update a while ago in regard to power reporting under particular accelerations. Let's see what Tacx can do with the Flux.
Re:Zwift... I wasn't using BLE (Bluetooth)... was Ant+.
I've been thinking... I did still have the Bkool app running whilst using Zwift, even though it wasn't connecting to the Flux. But the Bkool app WAS recognising the Tacx power meter(?) and Tacx Cadence/speed sensors... it just wasn't seeing the Tacx Ant+ trainer itself until I updated the firmware AFTER closing Zwift. I will check it again first thing tomorrow.
Re: Downhills... To be honest, I'm not as fit as I was this time last year and I wasn't giving it the watts you reckon are required when I was going downhill. But I wasn't kicking out loadsa watts when using the Bkool on the same descent last year. I might try the same route again tomorrow.
I've just edited my 'review' so it reads a bit better.
nice reviews generally
I have tacx neo. Things to make sure of is to make sure you're using the right size lock ring as several in kit. The instructions aren't great. They say you need a campy lock ring tool but you don't. Any doubt get shop to do it for you. Neo is also great trainer. Only annoying and lame thing is no power switch on the unit. you have to turn of at wall socket. Considering how much a switch is this is poor. Well built but the is lateral flex on it especially when hoofing it. Other good thing would be adjustable feet so your frame is always vertical
Great video. It sounded to me as if most of the noise was your fan and the drivetrain.
Nice unboxing and really detailed summary at the end. Cheers Mate! Will you compare it against your Quarq too, when you get home?
I hope to have a few more power meters to compare it to. My Quarq is on a 10spd groupset.. I've switched most things to 11 now. Stay tuned for power/accuracy of the Flux in the coming week (fingers crossed!)
Im going to buy this
Great to see your view on the Flux!
Cheers! There's more videos to come for people who want to know more about the data/response/etc. I'm also keen to hear the experience of everyone else who's managed to pick up a Flux.
Sure thing!
I've just ordered another Flux from a LBS 1 mile away who say they'll have it by 1pm tomorrow for me to collect. I'm gonna ride my Flux as soon as I get it set up :-)
Let us know your thoughts on it when it arrives! Keen to hear what others have to say too. That's one thing I can't measure/report on, the overall 'vibe' across a number of users.
Having just read Ray's review of the Flux, I have a question for you regarding loudness of the Flux: How much sound gets out of your apartment in Sydney? Is it noticeable (e.g., for neighbors)? I plan on using it in a similar setup (small room in apartment building) and as Ray lives in a cave, he's not really the one to ask. ;)
Believe me, after a broken heel and being off the bike, getting to 30k an hour is really hard😀
What would you recommend elite direto or trade flux. I can decide
I've always wanted a flux capacitor.
Hey Shane great video as always. I'm interested how these direct drive trainers cope with slightly out 'of level' floors? I know that the Wahoo Kickr has screwed feet but the Neo and Flux don't seem to have any adjustment. Can you see it see it as a problem with a thin piece of wood under the low side of the feet to level things up? I just hate feeling that I'm not perfectly upright lol.
That's one downside of both the Neo and Flux, no feet adjustment. I'm sure it'd be fine with a few mm of "creative flooring" under either side if your floor isn't level.
which one would you recommend between the tacx flux or kickr core
I've been waiting for this video for weeks... brilliant as usual!
What software do you use for the editing? The fast forwarding on your videos looks tops.
Final Cut Pro X on the Mac. Has more features than I'll ever use... and seems more robust when managing 100GB+ resources collections.
I've been video editing as a hobby for years and use Premier Pro on Windows. The fast forward looked really good on your "L'Etape Australia 2016 - 5km from Start" video. I've never used ffwd much and I just found another way of doing it in Premier and will try it later.
Filmed in 25fps and put into a 50fps base project, exported as 50fps too. I think that helped it look really cool! I should have shot it in 50fps.
I use 25fps on everything but should try a higher frame rate. My 'GoPro' records 4K but I struggle to play anything 4K on my laptop (very choppy) so don't bother with that.
Thanks for the vid, whats the software you are using for the route scene on your laptop
Zwift its like the best ever
With all the smart trainers you have tested. How would you rank them all? Would the flux sit 3rd from the top?
be interesting to see your review, I spend a few hrs on one over the weekend at zwift con uk . I thought it felt smooth, very quiet but it did lack the feed back on resistance change. I felt it was ok on the flat giving a solid 230/280 watt resistance but the transition to the hills wasn't best. Would give you 350/400 constant climbing but snap in a leg 700/800w effort, the unit didn't give you the watts on screen or let you drive it upto that. We was running it from Iso yesterday. thought it was my legs but jump on the elite or neo & that climbing punch was OK on them. Very nice unit, thou hopefully just a software/ iso niggle. Because plenty of people there was keen to buy one. Tony
Thanks for the comment Tony. I appreciate hearing from others who've also ridden one. RE: the power lag. This does concern me, a lot. I saw it in DCR's data, I've managed to replicate it and feed it back to Tacx, and also over to DCR so we can compare notes. More data required. Stay tuned on this one!
Thankkkssssssssssssssssss !
You don't have to rip the cassettes off the plastic part they come on. Its an alignment tool. Put it against the cassette body and then slide it straight on.
So I've found out... after pulling the cassette off the plastic! haha. This will save me next time around! :)
on the Tacx Neo can you deactivated the "road feel" since i dont want my bike to rattle indoors
If I can ask some advice:
1. I have a Tacx Bushido. It may break soon.
All I want to do is spin on a Turbo using the gears as resistance. I don't need a monitor system.
2. I want a turbo which is compact to fold up like the Bushido. The Flux is huge. I have limited space.
3. I don't want to pay a monthly fee to use an app. My Garmin watch is fine.
4. I am a complete novice and only use the Turbo twice a week in the winter max.
Which turbo do u buy?. My Bushido is perfect. I wish they would make more .
Thanks
congratulations very explanatory video I would like to ask if there is a difference in training in a simple workout;
I have no idea what you mean sorry.
The lag in zwift you notice may be averaging. Zwift didn't have this until about a year ago, now you can choose between 0 or 3 seconds averaging (really helps with some power meters).
Update on this: That's not the case for the issue. I've looked very closely at the raw data, removing Zwift from the picture entirely. It is the ANT+ power signal from the Flux itself. There was a 10 second peak power lag with the original production version firmware. This has been reduced to around 5 seconds with the beta firmware (soon to be public).
the sound is amazing of this thing or more the lack of 👍
which smart roller can i ride with set power?
Nice video, can it generate the real 8% gradient climb ? thanks
Shane, mate.....I just pulled the pin on a pair of Assioma's power pedals and I have Kickr Snap on, planning to use the pedals as primary source of power, however I have heard the direct drive smart trainers are much better. Out of the Elite Direto and The Flux, Wahoo Core, which one would you suggest ? And should I always use the power pedals ? Cheers and great coverage on TDU2019.
There are less variables that impact power drift/inconsistencies on direct drive trainers. No tyre pressure issues, no roller tension to worry about, no tyre/roller surface, and less/no heat generated by the bike interface (although all resistance units get HOT). The Core is a good buy in that mid-range. It's entirely your call what to go with. Test ride each if you can. As for using the pedals as a power source.... again, your call. A lot of trainers operate better in ERG mode when using their own power as the source.
ROCK SOLID
Shane how would you rate in order of preference the Wahoo Kickr16, Tacx Flux and the Cycleops hammer smart. Great videos thx
Price, noise, ERG mode, road feel, ease of use, updates, spindowns, accuracy, compatibility..... There's a lot to consider. Best I've come up with is here: gplama.blogspot.com.au/p/indoor-trainer-guide-gplama.html
Shane Miller thx this will be perfect. A good bedtime read here in Indiana.
the software of the equipment at first recognized it but after it did an update of the
firmware update stop
What is better, this or the wahoo kickr snap??
@shanemiller what do you think is the best smart trainer in the price range of $6-800?
But what do you think of the cycle ops Magnus?
And the usual indoor and outdoor feel of it.
I work in Aussie $.... and there's only one option at that price point, Elite QUBO Digital Smart B+. I haven't use a Magnus yet, so nothing I can add there.
thank you ...
Hi Shane, in your opinion which would you go for, the Flux or the Kura? contemplating a move from my rollers to something that can offer a better session when training indoors
The Kura isn't interactive. It's just 'smart' with a power meter and ANT+/Bluetooth. Go for something that's interactive for ERG and Sim mode sessions.
fantastic, you a champ. now to get this past the wife
Good video as always...
So what do u recommend, Neo or this new one ?
They are two very different units mechanically and price wise. It depends what you're after. The Neo still wins in the silence area, and it is very accurate when it comes to power numbers. The Flux on the other hand does make a noise.... though very hard to quantify in any environment vs what everyone else has. "Less than a Kickr" is one way to describe it I guess. :)
Shane Miller
Thanks.
So I will go with the Neo.
My bike has a rear Cassette Shimano 105, 11-32, 11 speed. Can I add this on it ?
Sure. I'm not sure a 32 tooth is required on an indoor trainer. A 28 is more than enough, and you can change the settings in software if not (Zwift has a slider for this in the settings).
Now, I am a little bit confused again after words from there and there.
For everyone here to be aware of, what's your advice as a good trainer, this FLUX one or the already known Genius smart ? I know the Neo is the top of the line, but it is so heavy/costy for shipping to my overseas country.
TACX has replied to my concern :
" what would you like to know. The biggest difference is that the Genius is not a direct drive and the Genius is stronger than the FLUX and can simulate downhill " ...
" the genius Smart and the NEO Smart can, but the FLUX does not " about the downhill thing.
Yeah, I concur that a 28 is absolutely the biggest cassette ring you'll need with Zwift. 25 should be good for most strong riders.
Do you still need an ANT+ thing to get everything working nicely for a mac Shane?
Depends what you're using software wise. Zwift on MAC does native BLE now, although I still find ANT+ easier to use.
Shane is there already a date for an update of your experience with the Flux?
+orci77 A few hours my next vid will be up. It's not pretty....
Isn't it all about the inner values? ;-)
Shane.. I am fairly new to cycling (very new in fact) decided to come indoors for winter and have decided to go down the swift smart trainer route.......I have a 105 Long cage with a 11 -32 cassette, I know I would need to buy a cassette no issues there but would I also need to change the deraillier to work with the flux ( which is my preferred trainer from the reviews I have read/seen) ?
The Flux isn't compatible with long cage RD.
Shane Miller thank you for your reply.... in that case (and cause I have already spent about 500 GBP over budget on the bike I bought...... kickr snap or Cyclops Magnus... go on be a devil and pick one.. my bank manager will thank you :)
Long cage rear derailleur
Shane Miller. glad I read this. No deal on flux. I'm an avid user of long cage rd, even on my road bike. Worked fine on kicker at studio.
so what's actually the difference between the Flux and the Flux S?
anyone still using and "old" version von 2017? thinking about buying a used one from then... do they still get the current firmware updates etc?
Hi, what happens with the resistance if you do not attach a power cord (electricity) to it. Why would I ask this (silly?) question? Can you use the Flux as a warming up tool next to your car, minutes before a race? Or do you need a electricity. I read on the Taxc website, that when you do not connect the Flux, it simulates a flat road. It does not state if it is with or without electricity. Kind regards
It'll provide some resistance when not powered. I wouldn't recommend taking a smart trainer, and not a Flux that doesn't easily fold up, to a bike race for a warm up. They're expensive units (so could be a target if left in your car), and they're full of electronics that isn't designed to get wet (rain, etc)
How about the stability of Flux vs Neo (thinking of sprints or times when you swing on the bike)? Speaking of loudness... When compared to Neo is there a horrendous difference or not?
Sprints to come soon. The sound isn't horrible. Louder than the Neo, quieter than a Kickr.... similar to a Drivo. Best I can describe for now.
Hi Shane
I bought a Tacx Flux last year. I’m still struggling with regard to smooth gear changing. The bike is a Bianchi Aria and gear changes as smooth as butter on the road. When I clip on to the Flux I find it very clunky when changing gear and can’t seem to get it sorted. I’ve been back to Tacx several times they have been helpful, but haven’t been helpful enough to solve the problem. They did suggest adjusting the gearing but that defeats the object of swapping quickly from indoors to outdoors. Can you give me any advise, please? Did you need any adjustment when you first used the Flux?
Ive only been riding for a year after retiring from running and I’ve ridden the Flux for 6 months merrily clunking away, wondering if I’m damaging the gearing.
Any help you can give would be gratefully appreciated.
Thank you.
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Sounds like it needs some hands-on analysis. Take it to a bike shop to have a mechanic look at it.
Yes, I’ve tried that, had to take the bike back to get it set up again when I went back on the road. Just wondered if you noticed any difference from road to Flux with gear shifting if using the same bike?
Hi Shane. I would like to ask something. .Few weeks ago, I bought a TACX Flux. When I use it, I see that it generates a lower speed than the other TACX (I-Vortex) with the same transmission ratio . The question is, in addition tothe power calibration, I need to calibrate de speed sensor of FLUX? Best Regards. Esteban
There's no speed calibration required.
Thanks and congratulations for your channel. Best Regars.
Good stuff, as usual... You mention trying to run a spin down in the middle of your ride??? Can you do that? I have a Kickr, and Wahoo told me I should run a spindown every time I ride. So it's warm up for 10 min or so, end my Zwift session, do my spin down, then restart my Zwift. This is quite a pain, so I haven't been doing that. I did some testing, and it seems like the spindown results are pretty similar for my set up, day to day. I don't really think I need to do it every time. BUT, if there is some way to do this without having to go out of Zwift???? Am I missing something???
The Kickr (direct drive) only needs a spindown when it has been moved.... or every few weeks 'just to be sure'. I'm not sure on the spindown timing requirements of the SNAP, I don't own one.. yet. You don't have to end a Zwift session to do a spindown. Just unpair the Kicker, close the pairing screen, then do the spindown... then go back and pair it up. Much quicker than having to restart.
Brilliant! Thanks... I didn't think of simply pausing and "unpairing"...
Shane what do the 10% max inclination mean when doing the epic climb with 13-15% inclination?
Doesn't the flux increase the resistent any more after 10%?
It seems to top out at 10% 'feeling'... so it doesn't get into a true 'slog' mode that we're familiar with on a simulated 15% grade. I still don't know exactly how they come up with the virtual slope estimates and what they mean. It's different for everyone based on weight... I'll look into this.
@@gplama Good question. Presumably then, if you race against someone else of a similar fitness level up a 15% simulated hill and the other person is on a Neo (for example) then you will go faster because the resistance won't increase more than 10%. So there could be issues when virtual riding with others.
No. Not in Zwift anyhow. In-game speed is based w/kg, so your effort, not flywheel speed. You could argue it's easier to produce higher power on steeper gradients... but that's still creating power differences to go faster/slower, so doesn't apply.
@@gplama Interesting. Thanks for the reply!
How does your stages power meter compare with your Wahoo Kickr. My Wahoo Kickr seems to read about 10% higher. How do I know which one is accurate?
This is a whole can of worms.... You'll need to find yourself a known/good power source and test both against that. A Neo and the Drivo at this point are gold standard for power accuracy on indoor trainers. More on this in future videos.
Looks good - i'm in the market for a decent trainer after breaking my hip last week and will need something for the long months of recovery.
Ouch! I've broken my pubic ramus a few years ago... the trainer work I did during recovery was some of the best base training I've ever done. All the best with your recovery.
Hi Shane, was given your site regarding smart trainers. I am wondering what's the best smart trainer to purchase and is there an easy way to get onto zwift. Not so good on the technical stuff so any assistance would be greatly appreciated. ( on a budget)...
There's no easy answer there. They're all technical and they're all at difference price points. Best option is to visit your local bike shop(s) and find one that knows about Zwift set ups so they can get you rolling.
Hi, Thanks for the informative video! Would it be possible to run a bike with sora (9speeds) on there, using an ultegra 11 cassette on the FLUX? I have an ultegra 11 speed on my bike, but my wife has a sora 9 speed on hers. I was hoping being able to use it with both bikes. Best wishes from Germany!
Best not to mix chain/cassettes like that. It might work in a few gears. It will increase wear and frustration.
Ok, thank you :)
Shane what is better tacx genius or direct drive Flux?
I thing they will go at simular price.
Im confused genius better specs(20% incline)butt wheel on
Flux direct drive must be lot quiter.
I haven't spent any time on a Genius, so I'll have to let someone else answer that one. Test ride either if you can, good stores should have demo units on the shop floor this time of year. Let me know what you end up going with.
Tanks for responding
I learn a lot about indors trainers from your chanel.
Keep up great work.
I'll let you know witch trainer i bought.
Me too, confused about choosing which one !!! the Genius Smart or this FLUX one ?!!! I tried to get a decision. TACX replied to me that Genius simulates downhill drive but flux doesn't !!! I can't understand.
It is difficult for people to make a purchasing recommendations for other people. There is a lot more involved than just 'what should I get'. Test ride what you can, and purchase what suits your needs and budget.
Dr Abdalla Alkhashmani looks like we looking at the same trainers to buy
Tacx neo is the best but i live
In Canada and cost of neo here is 1800$ +13% tax
Flux is 1200$
Genius smart is 1000$
Thats why genius is on my radar almost same spec like neo but half price
what about the noise?
put your notes close to your cam. It looks funny when you look down to your tablet/notebook. ;-)
How does the device connect to the Leptop. Via bluetooth or an adapter?
Bluetooth or ANT (which needs an adapter)
Nice quiet trainer compaired to the Kickr. What is the price of this trainer?
Indicative RRP (not official.. check your local supplier)
EURO: 799,00
USD: 899,99
AUD: 1.199,99
NZD: 1299,99
It's a little quieter than the original Kickr. It's hard to determine depending on the environment tested in.
I’m a bit late to the party but i just bought a tacx flux and was wondering. The cassette on my bike is an 11/30, does the cassette that i buy for the tacx also have to be an 11/30? Or i can u go with an 11/28?
A 28 will be fine. If you went from a 23 to a 30 or similar then chain length would be an issue.
Shane Miller - GPLama noted, thank you for the quick answer! Take care and best wishes for the new year!
when you ride to the climb the velocity change automatic ? the role create resistance ?
Yes
Hi shane.. between flux and kickr16. Whicb would you choose?
Different price points. Kickr. The Flux is quieter. More info here: gplama.blogspot.com.au/p/indoor-trainer-guide-gplama.html
Shane, I'm actually curious on how many trainers you have in your house on average :D
I haven't done a recent headcount. Too many.
Does anyone know if this unit will work with a 12x135 thru axle? I did not see it in the list of compatible adapters.
Oh... *edit*.. 12mm... The only option I see is: Tacx T2840 Direct Drive Quick Release Axle 135x10mm with Trainer Adaptor. Also watch for the lack of long cage support on the Flux. That might be a show stopper for MTB usage.
So does it come with a thru axle conversion kit or is that sold separately?
Sold separately with this unit. Not sure about the Flux 2.
What cassette did you end up putting on again?
This was a few years ago. Likely a 11-28 or 11-25 Ultegra
What’s the tool you used to put the cassette
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Hello, do you think it worth and its really different compare to a genius 2080 smart, for the gradients realism too? What about elite direto compare to neo and flux?thanks😊
That's up to the manufacturers to report what their units are capable of. As for direct comparisons - there's a billion combinations here, best I can do is give my experience of each (as I do in my videos). People can choose which to choose from there based on their budget, compatibility, riding types, etc.
@@gplama thanks😊
Garmin technical support is bad, could you guide me what I can do to fix my equipment
I'm not really in a position to provide one on one customer support for Garmin/Tacx sorry.
Kann jo hacke motstanden i dette utstyret eller dere er jo konkurranse instinkt og så syke i hodet så va skjer omm noen konkurrenter faktiskt hacker motstanden i dette utstyret? Va skjer da?
If your discussion is around cheating that's best taken to an online riding forum. This is about the hardware.
Whould you recommend that trainer over Bkool smart pro 2 ?
I've not ridden the BKool Smart Pro 2.
Excuse my dumbness. My bike has 11-28 cassette and I have a spare 11-25 cassette every time using the trainer I use the same cassette 11-28 off my bike. Could I put the spare 11-25 cassette on the trainer and have no issues i.e having to index gears...will it be ok? I guess I should just try it but thought I would ask!! Cheers
Jason Ryan yes it will work fine if it's the same speed
Dan Watterson thanks. This will save me taking the cassette of the bike each time. 👍
is it true that your cooling fan is actually louder than the tacx?
if so this is the uber silent device
The Neo is the king of silence to date. The Flux is pretty close, on par with the Drivo. Comparative tests are on the cards in a controlled environment in the near future.
Wow, that was loud. How is the sound in relation to the Neo?
Not very loud. It's impossible over the Interents to know what something really sounds like.
Would you recommend the Flux over the Neo? I'm looking more for the social/indoor aspect of zwift more so than all the data gathering.
That depends on how the Flux holds up for everyone else. I'm hesitant to recommend it based on my own experiences to date. I hope that will change.
direct drive at this price point is super interesting
That's why there was a LOT of eyes on it at EuroBike... and beyond. More videos to come for those interested in the data/response side of things. Keep an eye on other reviews too for a general 'vibe' of how these units perform for everyone else.
Will be interesting to see exactly what price it ends up available at. At $999 it's still going to be nearly double a Vortex. The main loser will probably be the Wahoo Snap, I think it would be an easy up-sell for most people to go to direct drive for $50-$100 more when you're already spending $900. I mean just the tyre savings counts for a fair bit if you use it for a few years.
I got a chain whip tool, can’t figure out how to use it. It keeps falling off. Lol
That can happen.... Make sure it's wrapped around a middle cog.
Guys, one short question.
Looking for a second smart trainer, right now I am using the Wahoo Kickr (old version without LED´s).
What would you suggest? The new Kickr, or the Flux or maybe the Elite Drivo??
Regards from Germany
The best value for money at the moment is a 2nd hand Kickr v1, if it's in good condition. I'd put a Flux on a wait and see list for now until more people have theirs and have posted feedback on their experiences. The Drivo is a good unit although in a different price bracket compared to the Flux and Kickr16 (depending on your local market).
Thanks Shane. I think I´d like to have a second one besides the Kickr v1, which I am using right now. And I almost made my decision after watching tons of videos this day from you and DC Rainmaker. I think I will try the Tacx Neo Smart. I am impressed how silent this trainer is.
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He's on top spot! Nice work Social Spinner mate!
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Does flux+zwift show your power even though you don't have a power meter on your bike?
+samuel rautava Yes
hello Shane I have ordered the tacx flux, I can only find a clear pdf file now, which ring I have to do on boddy for 11 speed cassette from shimano
I'm not sure what the question is. Best contact Tacx Support.
you did install 11 speed Shimano casette whitout extra ring/spacer on body.
There should be no need for spacers with 11spd cassette.
thanks friend.
First smart trainer and having the same problem i rode 30 min on Zwift then tried to calibrate no joy, any help would be great
Tacx or Zwift Support should be able to assist here. They'll need as much information as you can provide of how to replicate the issue.
Will this trainer work on an road bike with 32T rear cassete and ultegra respective rear derailleur? Some one have tested this setup? How is possible to still find this trainer for sale??? (and this is new stock from what I checked online)
The Flux 1 doesn't support long cage rear derailleurs. Ping Tacx Support for more details.
Hi, I'm a follower of yours and I bought a flux 2, I had a problem, I would like to know if you can help me
Nice work!!! any details on the price?
Indicative RRP (not official.. check your local supplier)
EURO: 799,00
USD: 899,99
AUD: 1.199,99
NZD: 1299,99
Paid £625 UK as Pre-order, now showing as £699
Bought a Tacx bushido smart 1 week ago, and it just started to make a clicking sound on low rpm. sounds like a loose bearing, any known issues ?
My Vortex did this, email Tacx and they will send you a new mid part that will cure it. Although it took 3 different parts to eventually fix as the new bits did the same.
I have the same thing, but only when setting off and stopping. Is it an issue? Doesnt really bother me to be honest. Not as much that I would want to change out some parts.
I returned the tacx to the store today and got a brand new one. Will see how it goes with this one! Or else i will contact tacx and get the parts.
Can I use 8speed cassette Shimano ? Do I need spacer or something!!! ?🤔
Yes. The details will be in the manual or Tacx website.
I might get the new one and give my wife the old one.
Is the new Wahoo Kickr more accurate with power readings?
It has a spindown and advanced spindown.... it should be good-to-excellent with power readings. Official word from Wahoo is the best reference... maybe. I'll cover mine if/when I get my hands on a Kickr16.
What is the "advanced spindown"???? I've got a new Kickr and the Wahoo Utility app (I run in android) only has one spindown option...
That's one for Wahoo Support if it's not showing. I'd check you're up to date with the latest firmware and see if that makes it show up... if not, ticket with Wahoo might do the trick.
I talked to Wahoo and was told that they don't have the advanced spindown option for Android. Also, that "This is done at the factory and doesn't need to be done again unless there is a major issue." So no worries. I am curious WHY they wouldn't have a PC version of their software instead of forcing us to use Android or iOS. Especially with Zwift and other PC based programs.
Shane does this connect to the iPhone App?
It supports Bluetooth Smart, so yes.
@@gplama - Perfect, thanks Shane