Free Will Is the Echo of Absolute Freedom
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2017
- A man asks Rupert to comment on the idea that 'thoughts create one's reality'.
From the retreat at Mercy Center - Spring 2017. For access to the full recording see link: non-duality.rupertspira.com/wa...
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Rupert, your clarity is a gift that is being received by a place within me that transcends space and time.
Thank you.
It's not a gift. It's an earned treasure
@@shaolinwesterner4533 Maybe it's for Phillip to decide whether it's a gift in his life or not.
@@made4mystery930 who could it be a gift or an earned treasure for? The seperate self never becomes the soughter.
Love this guy. Best in class and I've seen all the teachers or "gurus" etc.etc. he's the only one who's living the teaching, not adding his own spin. He really cares, literally, not using as some pride game. Love you Rupert thank you for all your work. You have saved me, truly.
One in a Million 🙏
I like the videos where he gets really tough questions. I learn the most from these sessions.
Fi88i8
Thank you to whoever is asking those questions. I too had these questions for a long time and this really helped.
Beautifully put. You take concepts right up to the edge of reality
Very well explained great man teacher
Are you assuming his gender?!
it’s beautiful
Thank you all
So important, thx
5 years later. Still so important and brilliantly said. God's mind. Yes
“It is the mind that tells you that the mind is there. Don’t be deceived. All the endless arguments about the mind are produced by the mind itself, for its own protection, continuation and expansion. It is the blank refusal to consider the convolutions and convulsions of the mind that can take you beyond it.” Nisargadatta Maharaj, I Am That
If there is no mind, how can i tell you that it is there? 🤔
@@parsasadat1896 Mind is not there. Only thoughts are there😄
Thank you 🙏 I love you 💗
Freedom. A sense of free will is essential to seeing Self. ✨ The beginning of Grace. 💫
There is a certain principle at work in Rupert's talks
where absolute truth expressed in words
eventually becomes contradictory and confusing.
I become lost in words and it is words I need to escape from.
I accept that I cannot understand everything.
How can there be such a thing as morality,
if we have no choice?
There can be no correct or right action.
I still detect an abnegation/rejection of responsibility of and for one's actions, even in these great teachings. It seems to me that there is a desire to experience the fruits of meditation without putting in the work. To say that there is no doer as as seductive as saying that it is possible to manifest all desires.
10.24- the keys to the kingdom... everything in a nutshell... so good Rupert....
This is such a fascinating question. Rupert just destroyed new agey manifestation movements in 15 minutes. The ego mind would love to manifest its apparent desires. But when you understand non duality it brings two incompatibilities for me. One who is it that desires? Oh it’s the body mind because it is lacking unification with is-ness. Get is-ness lose desires. And how can you manifest when the apparent you doesn’t actually have free will anyway.
Yeah, so much for "The Secret".
These desires are conditioned thoughts streamed together (money, lover, house, cars etc), appearing as one entity called mind (but they're just individual thoughts arising and passing away) so these desires are irrelevant because they just come from the conditioned environment and not from the one consciousness. free will is an illusion of the "ego" thinking it has control to exist.
@@theself5738 Yes, coupled with the illusion that it can then make choices by virtue of having volition.
The apperence of the world is a mirror wherein you can see yourself. Everyone has a different vieuw of the world....
If you see from Wholeness, the reflection appears Whole. If you see from division, the reflection is fragmented and FEELS like it's lacking something. All appearances are a reflection of THE ONE MIND/CONSCIOUSNESS.🙏. To see from the Whole, you have to relax in the Eternal Now by responding calmly to what is HERE/NOW and not reacting. Yes! You can learn to be CALM moment to moment. You fail, do it again and again and again. Console yourself in that it's the ONLY TRUE WAY without minding the progress. Don't you always regret when you react compulsively? Have you ever regretted that you were too CALM?? The only time we have a choice is in this ETERNAL NOW. This is my meditation built on knowing that "I" am the SOURCE AND EVERYTHING IN THIS ETERNAL NOW.
Amen true! So true
Kewl
I've thot about this a lot lately. Thx for the ?
I thought that question Broke Rupert there for a minute!
It would be fascinating to see a convo with Jim Carrey & Rupert
Magical like reality
What you are experiencing in the world is what you are projecting. You are creating what you are experiencing and then you pretend you are not creating it.
What a great question, one I’ve had trouble with and contemplated myself.
As to the image of the clown taking all the applause when the show is over, I am reminded that Sigmund Freud himself said that the ego (separate self) is the clown who thinks he is the owner the circus.
The idea of non-doership is still very much understood only on an intellectual level for me personally and it would be nice if you could do more videos on this topic
There is no self, no ego. Self is an illusion. This illusion self, ego gives the experience of separation. Self and ego is necessary because we need it in order to know who we are. To understand the wholeness, the oneness ,we first need to know separation. You cannot know love without sadness, up without down. But once this distinction is made then we can transcend the world of duality. This can only be done with free will.
I experience free will as the freedom to use it or not, while mentally bending time. Both side of this is good for me: Being Conscious and being Unconscious. So the pontential is infinite... I hope some day I am a man like Rupert Spira and other great beings, I am just waiting for my absolution, dont know when its coming, maybe it already has come? Can me please tell somebody?! :D
You needn't "wait for absolution", simply remove the veils that keep you bound to the separate, illusory self and then the Infinite Consciousness will then shine and you can't help but notice the difference. You already have what Rupert and the other non-dual sages have.
It's disgusting how well Rupert explains the nonduality
In flux the appreciation of neutral space gives infinite flexibity potential for movement. Although seamlessly there is no self identified particular notion in body movement or no placed in the placeless as it moves along.
Perception vs. Thought.
I don't tend to perceive repeatedly about the same thing, yet I can think about something relentlessly.
Perception feels more finalized & instantaneous, whereas thinking takes me away from the Now.
Not really a point I'm making here, just a perception. When I think about it, I have to create memory time space. Like a word vs. a sentence.
Laws of Attraction from a perceivers stance seems more controlled.
"there is no un conscious choice"
-tomas hubl
You can choose the one thing if that's all there is.
α) 12.23. To be Jane in London is a choice, or an intrinsic necessity?
To me, rather the second.
β) The sens of separation is a result of the perceptual limits of human brain.
The big question for me is, does human brain evolve?
Does perceptual skills become subtler in a way that brain could perceive a world beyond separation?
I am inclined to give a positive answer.
γ) "Μy" experience is an absence of free will.Being connected with an inner guide,compass,whatever happens ,happens because it cannot not to happen.
"My" life happens,living is going on ....but there is no one here who makes choices,it is a choiceless path.
I thought "not two" would make things simpler
The freedom we feel is an echo of the absolute freedom of consciousness
Except it's not an echo. It's exactly that absolute freedom.
@@cosmofox I agree, except it is limited by the form that consciousness adapts. There are physical laws in our dream.
Jane has apparent freed will
Great question indeed, however, it's such a shame that he interrupts Rupert (2:00min); I think Rupert was going to say much more about it.
How do I experience myself all the knowledge that he is sharing? What is that one practice that he has done to reach this level?
I believe it’s non dual (Vedanta philosophy) studies and self enquiry- e.g am I aware? Who am I? Etc.. I recommend reading some of his books and spiritual books of others like eckhart tolle Raman’s maharani 👍🏻
I recommend daily meditation. No audio scripts, no music, no ritual; silent sitting, trunk unsupported, start with 5 minutes a day. (If it's hard to do, you can chant a Buddhist mantra, say, Om Mani Padme Hum for five minutes then just sit.) Daily practice will affect your neural 'wiring' and bit by bit you will learn for yourself. The capacity to watch the mind will grow and the process of liberation will be underway.
Re: the ending minute, what happens if without awakening/enlightenment, you were in the service of peace, love, justice, etc.? I mean if that was your separate self's calling?
🙏🙏🙏
There is choice. There is not a chooser
If there is no chooser, then actions can only be viewed as spontaneous happenings, and choice is irrevelant. Neither choice nor chooser really belong in non-dualist thinking. As Krishnamurti said, "When there is clarity, there is no choice."
Why would Krishnamurti suddenly become a dualist? Here he is obviously denigrating choice, indicating that it is no substitute for clarity as a basis for action.
For Krishnamurti (and other enlightened sages, I would assume), there is no self separate from the environment, and thus no need to choose one's actions. Action, real, complete action emerged from him spontaneously. He was well aware of the fact that the rest of us meet situations as if we were separate beings, minimally aware of our circumstances and making choices leading to further separation and conflict.
Can someone help?
If there is a choice but no chooser, who made the choice to write what I just wrote?
If it was I, then I, am the chooser.
If there is a choice, did the choice just act by itself?
Think of driving on a long highway trip. I like to listen to informational audio books while doing so, and I get very engrossed in listening to them. In driving the straightforward route from Cleveland, Ohio to West Lafayette, Indiana to visit my daughter, I make thousands of small driving-related actions to keep the car on course, etc. How many of these actions are actually fully conscious decisions (remember, the supposed me or ego is meanwhile engrossed in audio books)?
And who is the supposed I who chooses? One day, 18th century English philosopher David Hume went looking for the self or I in his mind, but all he could find were particular thoughts, emotions, and sensations.
The idea of a separate self who chooses is a very useful convention. If we look at such ideas very closely, however, we find them quite elusive and like Hume we may find ourselves feeling dizzy or slightly ill.
And how to heal this limitation ?
If “I“ am able to dream lucid, God is also able to do it? Or is he just not interested in “doing“ so?
Perceiving IS conceiving. Not 2.
He looks like an AI when processing thoughts haha
Rober th the way he laughs too 😆 world needs more AIs
When Bodhidharma talks about seeing one's true nature he's not in the first two chapters. He's the whole book. Perhaps because the term really isn't well defined we see it differently.
I am struggling to understand how choice does not exist--either for the separate self or one who has awakened. Are we not responsible for anything we do or say? Someone please help me. How can justice exist without choice?
Choice is necessary to have any meaning whatsoever. Justice requires it. Love requires it. Without Choice, the entire universe would be rendered to a static piece of art. Hanging within a gallery of empty space.
Can someone please explain who is Mary and who is Jane?
Thank you.
Mary dreams herself as Jane in London. Not important who Mary is. It could be you.
Is this whole "Mary Jane" just a references to marihuana? :)
Paavo Penttilä hahaha nice
You're bad ;-)
I hope so..... ;-)
Do your parents know that you are on the computer?
Get off the cumpuuter Kyle!!
What does he mean when he uses the term New Age? Who are the New Age community?
My guess is things like Abraham Hicks, The Secret, maybe a little Eckhart Tolle. They are more about "getting more in this life." I mean it seems a little conflicting when you are teaching people they need to let go of ego, attachments, desires etc, then having Oprah be the messenger.
@@kathiduran9583 In which case, Oprah may have been guilty of still "marinating"(one of Rupert's favorite words I observed at his retreat) in ego based thoughts and actions while deceiving herself that just having that several week session with Tolle meant she was somehow getting awakened.
@@kathiduran9583 Abraham Hicks, absolutely- that's what she's all about. In what way is Eckhart new agey? any specific points?
@@theself5738 Eckhart Tolle has recently introduced a course on creating your reality..
Its all apparently based on his own experience after his awakening, of somehow knowing that he'd write a book and it'd be a great success and he'd reach millions of people.. A number of things he apparently saw which didn't correspond to his reality at the time at all. He was broke at the time.
His idea is he affirmed these hunches as present realities for some months and they all eventually manifested. One anecdote is he had a list of things that would manifest and he had forgotten it, then later when he had his remaining stuff sent from London to LA he found the list...and everything on the list was his present reality in LA.. they'd all manifested.
So because of these experiences he's convinced there's truth in manifestation.. enough to offer a course on it. Just search on UA-cam.. Eckhart Tolle manifestation..
Does Mary have choice because she is infinite consciousness?
I see Rupert to be mistaken on this.
Compare an ocean to a stream. It is the stream which expresses along a path, precisely because it is constrained.
So it is Jane who has Choice. Whereas Mary simply Is.
@@dahawk8574 with the energies of its source:they are one.
Not everybody loves freedom.
what??????????
gadzooks
Could've been Bob from china
He is confuse with the self, and illusrres self . He actually think that God is lost in the ego is in control. God is not aware of this . God is good ...he is never lost or confused
so to cut to the freakin chase...you are what you attract and you only attract for yourself!!
"Freedom is everybody's birthright" -- Who's here during COVID-19?
I'll show myself out. :)
Had to disagree with Rupert on free will, in a dream there is no free will, there is no choice, only the appearance of choice.
what happens if u can lucid dream? :D
The same consciousness in both the dream and wakefulness is doing the choosing.
@@cosmofox but you are always the conciousness... wether you know it or not. It was always you choosing.
Who the hell is jane and Mary??????wtf
I think Rupert's Mary and Jane analogy is flawed. In all my life I've never dreamed I was a different person. I'm always me. So the idea of Mary dreaming she is Jane just sounds ludicrous to me.
You do not know you are the 'different person' until you wake up and experience your 'true' self
Theodore Yiannopoulos What, you mean Rupert dreamed he was Mary, and Mary dreamed she was Jane in Rupert's dream? That's even more ludicrous. And one thing psychologists and neuroscientists have proven very well is that memory is anything but reliable. To the contrary, it's very inaccurate.
Theodore Yiannopoulos You need to do some reading on the fallibility of memory. And your comments do nothing to address my original point. My point is that the Mary/Jane analogy is not a good one because it's a situation that Rupert simply made up. People don't actually dream that they are other people. So the analogy does nothing to help prove his point.
How about a more simple example - dreaming that you are in your living room when you are in fact in bed asleep
"Mary" isn't a separate person having that dream of being "Jane". Mary is just a label to the infinite consciousness we all are. Jane is a mind's contraction that seems to create separate consciousnesses (of me, of you etc.). But in actual dreams, there's no you who dreams anything. Dreamer is another character from waking state and never exists independently. That "youness" never exists as an entity.