Jim Cornette on Hulk Hogan's Relationship With Randy Savage
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- From Episode 179 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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Met Randy many times when I was a peon working retail in college, so 15+y ago, he was always polite and respectful to EVERYONE. He was a legit good guy. I can't say he didn't have his own issues but we all do.
Backstage numerous times in the 90's and I will coroborate this. Dude was legit cool when he wasn't being bothered by personal sh*t. He spent a ton of time on the payphone, I will tell you that.
He was a legit piece of shit. Your anecdotal evidence doesn't mean anything, and it's absurd that you're using "he was nice to his fans!!" and "everyone has problems!!" to absolve him of his frankly insane and wildly abusive relationship with his partner. Him punching Hogan in this story reflects poorly on him, too. If a woman runs away from her partner and goes somewhere to hide, only a lowlife would blow her cover.
@@radicalstanza3614 There wouldn't be this many apologists if he had been black, we all know that. Kind of like how the same people who apologize for John Daly tear into Tiger Woods, despite Daly being 1,000,000,000 times more of a scumbag.
I met Hulk several times, and he was always very nice, took pictures
I once saw Randy (or, if it wasn't him, it was his clone) passing by in the Atlanta airport in '99: we were waiting to board our plane (we were coming back from vacation in Hawaii, and this was our 3rd and final plane transfer), and I saw him walk by. He had a bandanna on top of his head, and was walking with a hot blonde (Gorgeous George maybe?). I was tempted to run up to him and ask for an autograph or something, but I figured, "no, just let the guy alone. He's on his personal time, and he's probably mobbed by fans constantly. Let him have his peace". So I said and did nothing, and he quickly passed by and was gone. I figured, since it was in Atlanta, maybe he had been to the WCW office. In any case, I was actually happier that I DIDN'T interrupt him and let him enjoy his privacy.
“You gotta get in your grandstanding and your hotdogging don’t cha, yeah!”
- Macho Man Randy Savage
You got lust in your eyes!!!!
“Because I deserve a shot at MY BELT!”
admit it. we all read it in the voice of the man.
@@Radeo dam straight!!!
@@Radeo hahaha... hooooo yeah!!!!
I was a kid when Macho was at his peak and I always preferred him to Hogan
Macho was the far superior wrestler both were good promos macho helped out other talent hogan cared only about himself like the other nwo founders macho is still beloved and hogan is hated it took the rest of his entire life and beyond but finally he's beaten hogan proper.
You think Hogan would let Jake latch a snake to his arm? Savage > Hogan
@@willjohnboy Savage's Dad was a better worker than Hogan, if Hogan hadn't had Vince & the corporate machine behind him, Hogan NEVER would've gotten as over as he did.
The cream of the crop will rise to the top, yeah!
@@TheSportsfan35 Hogan was already the most famous pro wrestler on Earth after he did Rocky 3 and was a bigger star in NJPW than all of your Bullet Club shit combined. You marks talk absolute shit just so you can sound cool.
I am a huge Macho man fan and I’ve always said that he got screwed over many times in the WWF. He deserved a lot better. Seems like he was always living in Hulks shadow
I've always shared this sentiment. Hogan always seemed unable to share the spotlight with Savage and the few times Savage could have been top dog, Hogan always made sure his presence was felt.
Everyone was living in hogan's ego, I mean shadow. Macho man was a better worker then hogan and had he come round a few years later would have been a massive star. Still love the guy though.
If you were a promoter, I’d bet you’d be hesitant to push aside your cash cow too
Randy was treated like royalty and paid very well for that time .
Yeah he was...He had better mic skills and was 10x better in ring. Hogan got boring fast. Mach was great his whole career. Even his last WCW run with Sid was awesome. His match at Wrestlemania with Steamboat is one of the best matches....EEEVER....OHH....YEAH💪💪💪
I miss the Macho Man. Wrestling will never have anyone like him again.
me too............ one of the best
Randy Savage is the GOAT
Agreed! To be honest there won’t be another guy that has the impact of Hogan either. These guys peaking at the same time is incredible
@@dmongru you might as well throw the warrior in there also . I dont feel savage lived in Hogan shadow . He achieved damn near equal greatness on his own . But he never got the PUSH Hogan did ! Or warrior , they made those two stars ,I feel randy was a little different somehow ! Peace be safe !
@@leonrhodes8700 warrior didn’t have any wrestling talent though. His best matches were with people like savage or rick rude that actually carried him.
“That’s not gonna work for me, Brother!”
The writer should have known that
lol.......
Kind of eerie, the stories of how crazy Randy was in "shielding" Elizabeth from the business, only for her to fall prey years later.
Luger immediate had her hooked on something strong and she died soon after. He was right to be overprotective; he was a man looking out for his girl, who he knew others would prey on.
No more crazy than how controlling and abusive the stories about how Randy treated Elizabeth are, that they even lasted as long as they did.
Bret Hart said Elizabeth had no business being in the "business". She was too nice of a person. Sad what happened to her.
@@lutherheggs451, I can personally testify that a lot of those stories are blown way out of proportion. At least when it came to their home life.
Is it because the business is that bad, or he shielded her too much and the draw was that stronger?
Finally it’s confirmed about Hogan’s black eye. Thanks Jim. Love this show.
Nah, that didn’t happen
@Aaron Lassiter uh, no idea why you felt the need to throw a childish and immature insult my way but ok, whatever floats your boat. Believe whatever you wish. Makes no difference.
Damn
@@dasupastar4lyfe DIPSTICK
It's just a rumor. Same as the one where Randy banged a 14 year old Stephenie McMahon
“Hogan would have wanted to leg drop everybody in the f*$&”?! territory”.
It's funny coz we all know it's true.
Director: "And at the end, Rudolph and Santa get through the blizzard, find homes for all the Misfit toys and the children around the world are happy!"
Hogan: "That doesn't work for me, brother!"
Yeah, because anybody on SMW was even close to the Hogan's level that he should even lower himself to work with them, let alone lose to them.
I busted up hearing that shit!!
Fuckin hilarious
Savage's Madness shirt is one of the greatest t-shirts ever created.
Fuckin aye it is brotha
Oooooohhhhhhhh yeeeaaaaahhhhhh, it is
Thugnificent is one of the funniest cartoon characters ever created #Boondocks
Glad I own one with his autograph
@@djinndevyl7077 picture?
"That doesn't work for me brother"
Creative control 😂😂😂
Oh bullshit. Hogan was way more over then Savage in the 80's and 90's and that's a fact
@@KingJaymo2k11 you sir are the new bull of the woods 👌
@@c.l.freeman7654 Wrestlemania IV, Savage was every bit as over as Hogan, which is probably why Hogan interjected himself so much in the celebration after Savage's win.
Watching that today, knowing the politics behind it a bit, makes me dislike Hogan more than I already do.
@@brianchapman8531 The only time Savagr Drew was with Hulk Hogan. he Never drew with Andre. Never Drew with Sting. Never Drew with Flair. Never Drew With Warrior. Never Drew In JAPAN .only with Hulk Hogan ^^ you can go cry and hate Hogan all you want but a Fact is A Fact .even in 1988 when he was the WWF Champ he never drew like Hogan ^^ and by the way ^^ i looove to See savage get beat over and over ^^
Savage didn’t care about losing to Hogan. He might have hated him personally, but professionally, he was about business. And it made 💯 sense for him to lose to Hogan at WM V just like it made sense for him to lose to Warrior at WM VII. As long at he got paid, Savage didn’t give a fuck. He didn’t have an ego in that way.
It’s amazing how as a kid, HulkManiac right here, but as an adult rewatching old matches, I really begin to realise that, to me, macho man was possibly the best ever. Could bump, could do high spots, had a body, a top promo and was more understanding of the business as a whole, rather than his own best interests.
He came from a legitimate Sports background and his family ran a promotion. he really had it all.
Absolutely Macho feuding with Hogan made Hulkamani go to another level!
Randy will always be the true GOAT. Never buried others or conspired to keep himself on top, had nothing against putting others over and had a million times the wrestling ability Hogan had.
Spread the gospel my brother.
Just a little paranoïd ......
Only one thing matters in pro wrestling is not how many moves you do is how much money you can draw!!! Hogan is goat in that category. Pro wrestling wasnt a "Team" business it was an " i" business!!! He did great business for himself at a time where there were no guaranteed contracts and promoters would screw wrestlers out of their money . He did a great job in keeping the top spot and figuring out he didnt need to go overboard with movesets when he could just point to crowd and flex his muscles n still get biggest pop of the night why break your back?? Thats how you have a long careers.
@@JonDoe-fo3kl for the most part, but legacy also matters. Money is not the most important thing to everyone. Besides, hogan made good money, but he made Vince more. So if money is the biggest indicator to decide the best, Austin made Vince a billionaire. Now you can argue that it wasn't Austin alone, but that applies to Hogan as well. If WWF didn't have a great supporting cast, then Hogan would have been unable to reach so many eyes. The NWO wouldn't have made WCW so great at the time without the strong midcard as well. Professional wrestling is about the overall roster as Much as who is top dog...
@@JonDoe-fo3kl tell me how the greatest workers like Flair, Windham, the Rock n Roll, the Midnight, etc. would their great matches without a team effort
Always love hearing good things said about the Macho Man.
Vince: “Macho Man is going over by pinfall.”
Hulk Hogan: “That doesn’t work for me brother.”
Eric Bischoff or whoever was in charge in WCW: “Macho Man is going over by pinfall.”
Hulk Hogan: “That doesn’t work for me brother.”
Ha . Ha . Ha . Not funny
@@Aizenborgman Who asked you?
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother me
@@ThatDoesntWorkForMeBrother that was terrible, Reginald. That joke has been done to death
There's the internet wrestling community narrative, and then there is reality. Hogan lost by pinfall or submission to all of these guys in WCW:
Arn Anderson
Roddy Piper
Lex Luger
Sting
Giant/Big Show
DDP
Goldberg
Ric Flair
Kidman
Mike Awesome
Vampiro
"What do u want to do tonight, Mach?" "I think I'll take the diamond cutter..." True legend!
Macho for a guy who always wanted to protect himself also knew how to do business and WHEN to do business. No way Savage puts DDP over 93-95...but when DDP was getting over with the audience and the Diamond Cutter was the hottest thing in wrestling Savage putting him over made sense. It meant that DDP would be a money drawing guy that gives him another person to make money with down the line.
Hogan didn't care about next month or next year, Hogan cared about making money that night or that run because in his mind everyone was always going to pay to see Hogan.
@@Justin-bo5pg I agree with WCW giving DDP the main event push but it would have been even better had DDP been 10 to 15 years younger than Randy Savage as opposed to only four
@@brickcitybikeman3108 what does him being old have to do with it?
@@brickcitybikeman3108 in a perfect world it would have been better if DDP was younger but there's nothing Savage could have done about that. He put Warrior over when he was hot, he put Michaels over on his rise up, he put Steamboat over. In hindsight if he knew he'd be leaving not to long after that...it probably changes who goes over at Mania 3.
The point is Savage was able to put a guy over, and make them really, without devaluing himself in the process.
@@rjskum688 remember when Verne gagne chose Nick bockwinkle over hulk Hogan? How'd that turn out? When Goldberg became the universal champion after beating Kevin owens, was that well received? No, when you get to a certain age in the wrestling business, heavyweight championships shouldn't be a topic of conversation, at 35, WCW was really pushing it with DDP, luckily for them, he had the charisma and personality to make it work
I always loved seeing Macho Man rather than Hogan or Warrior. With Hogan you got the hype, Warrior you got entrance and intensity. Macho Man gave you the entrance, intensity, great match, wild promos, the whole package he really did give you all the pomp and circumstance.
Wow, all you hear about Randy is that the man was *intensely* intense and very insecure. But hearing that Randy wanted to do the job to help Cornette in Knoxville for SMW, to legitimately try to help them and get the talent over is probably one of the best qualities you can hear about him. Shows alot about his character
Yeah, was just about to type this so thanks for saving me the effort 🙂
@Tiger yup. No one is arguing that, not at all. But it is great to hear about wholesome qualities of people in an industry that creates and thrives on negative emotions. There definitely are some positive things about the professional wrestling industry, but the history of professional wrestling before it was spruced up for mainstream popularity is a gritty one.
You should hear DDP talk about how Macho, one night, suggested it was time for him to take the Diamond Cutter. DDP became a made man with that.
Macho helped a ton of wrestlers. Taking the diamond cutter and losing to ddp was all Randy. Even in tna he helped a young AJ Styles who loved Macho Man for it. Curt Henning was that way too.
Bret say good stuff aboute macho man one of the safe guy he work whit
I remember Hogan's story about the black eye that he was hit by a runaway jetski when he was riding his own.
Yes, Hogan, I'm sure that's how it felt.
Jim's question in response to that question was absolutely golden.
There's a moment on-air during WM9 that confirms Randy punching Hogan (for me, at least). Listen just as Yokozuna is about to step in the ring during his entrance. You'll hear Randy and Heenan talking about how Bret was knocked out by (Luger) earlier in the day. Bobby asks Randy "does he have a black eye? A broken nose?" Savage replies "I don't know", then for absolutely no reason pertaining to kayfabe Macho then says "I'll tell you one thing, Hulk Hogan had a bad day already too!" Jim Ross immediately jumps in and gets back on topic without hesitation. Friggin hilarious.
Jim’s Savage impression is a perfect Jake Roberts impression.
No shit it’s a spot on Jake Roberts impression.
wrong again. dan soder is #1.
I actually couldn't tell if it was Hogan or Savage
Macho Man brought his stripper gf to WCW and named her Gorgeous George, whatta g.
After he bought the rights to use the name at that 💪🏾
And then she left him for the bass player of The Misfits. Crazy.
@@marini11 he was going to beat the crap out of Doyle but Doyle escaped! 😂
@@marini11 *guitar player
@@TheeCoachg Well he had been using the same theme song George used for years.
In 1979 Savage was the "big heel" in ICW, owned by his dad, and Lanny was the champ. Watched the show at our local high school in Southern Illinois. We got there fairly early for some reason and all of the wrestlers were hanging around out back. We ended up playing touch football with the guys and ALL of them, including the Poffo Brothers (who did not acknowledge each other) were very cool to a bunch of 12 year old kids. Good guys to us that day. We were starstruck.
Every story I have ever heard about Savage, is he was the most polite, took time for all fans (within reason), and was exceptionally professional (coming from directors/writers who used him for voice over). He always wanted to give people what they paid for, the director a perfect take, and the fans a memory.
Yes, if you went up and trolled him with stupid shit, he would snap on you. When it came to Elizabeth, he was a psycho. I think we all have something like that we are obsessed with. His was a person, it was healthy through the 80s and mid 90s, but he did reconcile it before they both passed.
He deserved so much more from wrestling. Even thou he didn’t get it, he made sure to give what he thought we deserved.
Cant blame him for being protective. Can you imagine being in that locker room filled with drugs and roids and bring around a woman.
According to DDP, leading up to their march at Sturgis, Arn came in and asked Randy what he wanted to do for the finisher. “You know, I think I want the take the Diamond Cutter tonight.”
Sure enough he did and the crowd popped. Bigly! “I guess we know what our finish is gonna be” Randy said to Page after the match.
I’ve never heard anyone ever say Randy wouldn’t do business. He knew when to go over and when to put people over. He knew what was best for business. And sometimes, like with DDP, he just wanted to see what would happen.
I just love Randy Savage.
"hulkamania is just a grain of sand in the desert that is macho madness!!"
There would never have been Macho madness had not Randy been attached to Hogan's hip. Randy made millions by being friends and benefitting from the platform Hogan built. Randy was going nowhere before going against Hogan. Hogan provided the platform for Randy to succeed. What drawing or merc did Randy do compared to Hogan, not even a quarter of the business Hogan did. When Hogan clothesline the Giant and Andre falls the entire place erupts until the finale
😂 😂
Ooh YEAH! Dig it!!!
@@1980Triumph You should watch Macho/Steamboat from WM3.
@@TJB531 - saw it and wasn't that impressed. Great match but 93k paid to see Hogan and Andre. You say check out Mach and Steam, I recommend watching the crowds for both matches. The crowd is dull compared to Hogan and Andre, they blew the roof off. Sure Mach and Steam were greater athletes but the drama and power of Hogan and Andre is what wrestling is about. It is bizarre how hardcore fans miss the most basic premise of wrestling. Watch both and listen to the opening and climax of each match and learn something
Randy hated Hogan. Don’t let people, especially Hogan sugar coat it after the fact.
Randy dedicated a rap song to Hogan based on how much he hated him ("Be a Man").
Randy hated a lot of people.
@@johns3491 Pretty sure that song was pointed towards Triple H and from the sound of it he hated Hogan because he was paranoid Hogan was gonna make moves on Elizabeth, although he was paranoid everyone was making moves on Elizabeth.
I wonder why Lanny Paffo let Hogan induct Savage in to the WWE HOF?
@@lutherheggs451 Nope, Randy confirmed it in this interview: ua-cam.com/video/SG50i1k_0Qc/v-deo.html&ab_channel=J.M.T.FLIX
*Jim animated as a TMNT in the thumbnail already had me in stitches, before even hearing any audio!*
Cowabunga in Memphis
@@juicyfruit6311 COWABUNGA RADICAL PIZZA PARTY!!! \m/
My eyes went right to Corny as Turtle, then I noticed that Travis drew Randy's neck fold from the position his head was in during his promos...such a fine detail. And Hogans black eye made sense once they got to story. I need this as a tshirt.
How Long Would It Take A Grasshopper With A Wooden Leg To Kick All Of The Seeds Out Of A Dill Pickle? I'm DONE! 😂💀💀
Yep same here 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Me too.
Rewind
Relisten
Laugh
Repeat
@@michelledavidson8190 yes bro 💀
@@austinha11 it’s a saying us gen z mf use saying I’m done means “I’m out “ or “get the fuck outta here 😂”
Macho clearly Was a territory guy. Not a corporate guy.
Don’t f**k the bosses daughter unless you going to marry her lol
@@user-cx9gq2ud6t where is the proof that happen ? besides a rumour
Nope - just mark rumours
@@mjj6682 True. I don't understand how people still wonder why Macho didn't return to WWE like everybody else. Hogan, Warrior, Hart etc. they needed a closure & many of them wanted money too. Savage was cheapskate, he was rich & he was quite antisocial & he wasn't going to beg for forgiveness. Also his parents were not in a good health. I believe that he did try to return to face HHH after WCW went under, when he did the Stephanie promo, but nothing came out of it, so WWE was dead to him after that.
@@vanderful2397 Macho was smart with his money. And had numerous charities he supplied under the radar that didn't come to light fully until his death. Just because he didn't flash his dollars like most of the elite doesn't make him cheap, makes him smart in my opinion, but yah that's just my opinion and we all have them. Take care be safe Brother
Macho Man is the Greatest Wrestler of all time. And an even better person. He had his demons like all humans do. But he had a heart of gold. And was driven by respect, and honor. He never sugar coated anything, spoke the truth, loved giving back to the fans, and to kids. He put his family, and his parents above all else, even his own career. The more I find out about Randy, the more respect I have for him. Rest In Peace Brother.
(Macho Voice) "What I do have are a very par-tic-ular set of skills; yeah, Skillllllsssss I have acquired over a very long career... Oh yeah, Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you... DIG IT. -Randal Sav'age
Vandal Savage
Eugene Okerlund voice: You're talking about Macho Madness????
Great promo! It sounded so good in my head that I decided to try it out in the mirror. F@cking nailed it !
Good luck
"Be a man, Hogan, be a man!"
Hulk Hogan Coward fund $10k!
Most underrated rap album ever
Hulks runnin' from Macho... That's what I heard.
Hogan do the job 😂 “that doesn’t work for me brotha”
We're not used to snow down in San Antonio, Tx nothing like staying home from work and listening to some Drive-Thru👍
Democrats and they're frozen turbines lol
It’s rough here In Austin too stay safe if ya willl ! Dusty voice 😎
@@itsnovalouise or tell you're politicians not to be morons relying on turbines for electricity when you live in a rich oil state this shouldn't of happened in texas this just proves green energy doesnt work.
@Ray Robinson he sniffs too
@@bruisergiraffe4660 lmao!
Savage was insane. During a show at the Spectrum in the 80's someone tried to touch Elizabeth and Randy clocked the fan HARD in the face as they made their way down the aisle.
I think during her wrestlemania 5 entrance a fan touched her ass even with all the security around her.
@@Ted_Bell there was a security guard basically glued to her backside. You couldn’t get space between them to grab her ass.
Philly Spectrum?
@ Mike Henry. Yes, don't recall exact date 86-87, but there was video of it on UA-cam
Maybe don't touch his wife?
Shows how savage does business when he let warrior pin him 1-2-3 with a foot on the chest at wm7
And letting Warrior kick out after 5 top rope elbow drops.
@@DLRX first time ever we would see something like that
@@DLRX Insanse for that era when finishes were usually finishes
That might have been my favorite match of Wrestlemania 7. And with all the slurping of Hogan and Warrior the previous year, this match was so much better. Mostly because of Macho.
@@benbrislawn4029 I've always said that if you look at Hogan, Macho, and Warrior as the 'Big 3' of the WWF's Rock n' Wrestling Era, Macho Man was the only one who had it all. Hogan and Warrior had the look and charisma (presence) but neither had Macho's wrestling ability.
"This is the first. Public shaking of the Mega Powers. Brother" - Hulk Hogan
How Macho Man bought his hand slow & intense like that is a memory I can't forget . But yet has unconsciously done a whole bunch of times & no one caught on to it .
According to Savages brother Lanny Hogan and Savage squashed the heat a year or two before Randy died.
Macho Man was just awesome. I loved his comedy rap CD, listened to that hundreds of times in college
Hulk Hogan was the ultimate heel who did his best work pretending to be a good guy.
Well said. Stealing
Hollywood Hogan was the closest to Terry Bolea we ever saw on screen.
The hair band on Hogan's head confuses me he's bald then what's that for..
Could be to stop swear running down his face?
But more likely he started wearing it in the early years to cover up his receding hairline and as his hair line went further and further back, the headband kinda takes some of the attention away from his hair.
Then once it was full on bald, that’s where he would just wear the full bandana instead.
Sometimes called a "sweat band" and used in by certain sportsmen.
@@GenerationWhyProductions, he still wears the bandana in public. You never see him without it. It’s just part of his look now.
I had always heard the black eye was because of a motor cycle accident. Goddamn Dark Side Of The Ring shoulda included this in their Match Made In Heaven episode.
I heard he was water skiing with Brutus The Barber and fell off... eye first
@@JobVanDam after the parasailing accident I'd be hard-pressed to think he got back in the water
Lol, Hogan won’t put Macho over in a real fight that Macho won. That’s why.
I always heard his black eye was from an accident on the lake. That’s awesome randy did it
Yeah for decades they said it was a jet ski accident.
He didn't , it was a jet ski
He got that black eye because Randy savage Punch him backstage.
"Vince, from his days of doing Bruno" LMAO!
Savage was way better than Hogan in every way....
@Josh Lawson eehhh....
That's an easy answer, could almost make a children's book out of it if i had any interest, "The Tale of Mr McMahon and his Golden Sqwaking Goose!!"
BROOTHEER!!
Randy “Macho Be a Man, Hogan” Savage
Come on. Don't be scurred.
I knew all along you had those tendencies, cause you've been running from Macho like I got a disease!
Hulk Hogan admitted during an interview that the most money he made in his career with another wrestler was with Randy Savage! It was a great rivalry in the good old days of wrestling!
Regardless of Hogan: Macho Man's Rap Song was better than All of Hogan's Hollywood Career.
Hogan was scurred.
Be A Man Hogan!!
enjoyed Hogan in Gremlins 2. The rest is garbage
Mr Nanny is awesome. What chu talking about.
@@faz6877 What About Rocky 3
Savage was the better wrestler and Hogan knew it.
VKM told HBK that Terry’s business during their feud when Shawn was killing HH on the stick..we all know who went over in that match..plus MM put over DDP during their feud..MM was business..the GOAT in my opinion
Randy Savage sounds like DMX rapping on his diss song (BE A MAN) to Hulk Hogan #OHYEAH ⛽🔥💨 GASUP TO THE MOON ON'EM
“I remember a time when I wrestled Akeem TOO, and I was doin’ good I was doin’ reeeal good I was STYLIN out there like a CHAMPION! And guess WHO SHOWS UP....for Nooooo reason at all?!?!”
We never knew how great Randy Macho Man Savage truly was
HTF is Jim not the biggest radio star in the history of broadcasting??? Goddamn, bro, I’m hooked.
Andre, Warrior, Undertaker, Yoko, Rock, and Lesnar are the only ones I can remember getting pinfall victories over Hogan in the WWE
Brock was my submission actually, which is more impressive if you think about it.
He tapped to Angle didn't he?
The first face vs face match I remember was Hogan vs Warrior at Mania.
@KaneMagus haha, yeah, but as a 12 year old at the time, I thought it was the best thing ever.
@KaneMagus damn hahahahahahahaha brutal
@Aaron Lassiter It was a passing of the tourch match. The old hero makes way for the new guy. Another match I can think of is AJ Styles vs Sting in TNA I think 2009. I believe Sting planned on retiring but Jim Cornette stated on his podcast that everytime Sting was about to retire TNA and Spike TV kept throwing money at him to stay.
@KaneMagus Hogan vs. Warrior at 'Mania 6 actually wasn't that bad, for two big beefy guys who did nothing but power moves and poses. And at the time, the right guy won.
But when insecure prick Hogan wanted his win back 8 years later in WCW, at Halloween Havoc '98... THAT match was the drizzling shits! Easily one of the worst matches in wrestling history. So in comparison, their Mania match looks like a fucking 5-star classic.
Can someone please ask Jim Cornette why he is never in any wrestling video games, such as the WWE 2K games? It would be awesome to see him in a video game.
He was was supposed to be in the TNA sequel game but it was cancelled
The newer 2k games you can download him, a lot of people have made a Jim cornette character for download haha
@@Iambetterthanyouanduknowit he's also in Mdickies wrestling empire game
You could probably make a good version of him in "WWF No Mercy" on N64. It has such a great create-a-wrestler mode.
Its all about royalties that would have to be payed
"He would have wanted to leg drop everybody in the fucking territory." - Jim Cornette.
This is the content I come for & I'm a huge Hogan mark lmao
Why didn't Hogan ever pin Sting? Why didn't Hogan ever pin Goldberg? Why didn't Hogan ever pin The Rock? It's wrestling guy, get over it. Savage is arguably the greatest wrestler of all time, but Hogan was the biggest star of all time. Therefore, Hogan goes over. I'll never understand how the Cena Era fans could possibly take issue with Hulk Hogan.
Cena took way more pins than Hogan bitch please
Vince did babyface vs babyface at Wrestlemania VI with Hogan and Warrior. Again with Davey and Bret at Summerslam. The concept was done long before the attitude era.
Hogan is the reason I started watching wrestling. Macho Man is my favorite of all time. They def had their ups and downs but Macho was no idiot, he worked with Hogan because he made a lot of money.
I agree Savage should have won as a babyface when Hogan was heel and macho got kicked out of nwo. But oh well.
Got my son a Randy Savage action figure and I’m holding it back for his bday party this year Ooooooo yeah !!!!! RIP Randy We Miss You
Back in the early 90s I was a Hulkamaniac (I was mid teens), now I'm loyal Macho Madness. Macho Man was the real deal... and space is the place: RIP Macho man.
Jim almost saying Savage is a hero cause he did a job in his territory, i saw Hogan do a job locally in Montreal as well in the 90's vs Jacques Rougeau
Did Hogan really do a job for Jacq Rougeau? Was that televised? I’d like to see that.
I don't believe that
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@@nkotbfreak2983 Thanks for sharing
@@nkotbfreak2983 That is a clear example of Hogan losing & still winning! He loses with a roll up which is only a little better victory than CO, Jacques escapes to the back in a bad condition & Hogan stays in ring with perfect health with all the eyes are on him.
If he wanted to put Jacques over, then he should have left the ring first. How many times did Austin etc. lose a match & then chase the victors from the ring, so that he would look like a winner? Usually the one stays in the ring is the one who won the match or in wrestling the one who isn't afraid of the other guy attacking. That is a typical babyface "almost beats the bad guy, but not quite, but watch him clear the house & remember to buy another ticket, I'm sure next time the heels won't be that lucky" moment. Hogan did 90% of the offense in the match & then chickenshit heel escapes with a cheap victory, not that good of a job imo.
I always figured that with Hogan's black eye during that wrestlemania
OSW Review said it was from a jet ski accident, and I trust them
@@chance2413 it was reenacted in Bay Watch
That was a rumor, Hulk got bumped by a jet ski being stupid and Savage never mentioned it in the future. the sexy version is that he got punched by Savage.
WCW did that shit to Savage TWICE where he won the belt at a PPV and lost it to Hogan on Nitro the next night lmao
Savage also had heat with Road Warrior Hawk they had a fight at a Kid Rock concert once.
Thought it was a bar fight in Japan
I think the heat started in Japan
Oh how I miss those days when wrestling could generate real heat instead of this generic bs sports entertainment
That is why CM Punk was so loved. He was not as good on the mic as The Rock or Stone Cold etc however, compared to the other guys in the pg era he was head and shoulders above all and was able to generate some actual heat that had not been seen in a long time.
Hogan put over the Mountie in Montreal...
And yet didn't want to do the job for the Hitman
@@Nostalgicguy2242 Putting the Mountie over is whats best for business lol
Hogan would have beaten everyone on the roster gauntlet style.
And so he should. Cornette likes to whine about outlaw mud shows, but his SMW was just that, and he thinks the biggest star in pro wrestling history should lower himself to work on that shit show, let alone job to the no marks that work there?
All cornette does is whine and talk shit it's all that keeps his boring show going anytime I see a video I make it through like half of it and just hear constant bitching and whining
I didn't really care about the subject, but enjoyed Jim talking about it. Jim's a good listen. Wrestling was better in the 80s and 90s. I'm glad Sammy left the Inner Circle, it was getting stale.
Ya'll are so hard on Hogan.
I owned operated a limo service in Clearwater/ Tampa Bay area from 1990ish to 2010ish. I did all kinds of transportation for Hogan and his family over the years. He is not the terrible person Ya'll make him out to be all the time. Ive got stories for days!
Savage never pinned Hogan because Hogan said " That doesnt work for me brother "😂
The Mega Powers explode!
Hulk Hogan and Randy Savage drew lots and lots of dimes! 💰💵👍...
The bean kicked in
Always thought that the Macho Man punch was the rumor. Always figured it was the water jet ski accident. They eye looked way too bad for just one or two punches in my book. Good to know.
Well, Corny actually doesn't really know either. He is just repeating what he heard.
I am still leaning towards the jet-ski story.
@@henrikschmidt3964 so he got hit in face with a jet ski and all he got was a black eye? Sounds sketchy
@@malikevans2615 Well, it's not just a black eye. If you look closely hat Hogan these days you still see the effects of the accident. It nearly blinded him.
I always thought the WrestleMania 5 match between Savage and Hulk was such a downer. They wrestled alot in 86, so it wasn't like you never saw it before!
Hulk was so good he had a song written about him. Hahahaha
Macho Man was a phenomenal athlete. Hogan never was, he was a showman. Macho could also work crowds and put a show on. Randy was doing flying elbow drops in his late 40s.
You wanna know why? cause..."IT DOESNT WORK FOR ME BROTHER"!
Pretty sure Bruce Prichard claims Hogan got the black eye while falling off a jet ski. Brother.
Yup. He was filming Thunder in Paradise
I was lucky enough to see Macho Man in person once. Way back in 2001 at a video game tournament. The guy was larger than life man. He was walking around by himself and he had like an orbit of respect/fear around him. Nobody came within two feet. I saw him every so often after I got eliminated.
I ended up leaving early. Had a tough time dealing with crowds and I just needed to get out of there. Wish I had stayed, maybe tried to shake his hand or take a picture or something.
The concert beef with Hawk & Macho happened in Tampa Bay.
Hogan was the top babyface in the 80s that vince was completely relying on in getting the vision where he wanted his company to go and to accomplish. He basically went "All in" with Hogan as the the babyface. So of COURSE Macho the heel is not going to go over Hogan.
Jake the Snake: You don't go against the golden goose.
Then in the 90's the reason why heel Hogan went over Macho is due to the fact...you guessed it, at that point in time, it was the "heel" dynamic/tweener dynamic that was what was in, and as we all know, as the heel in WCW, Hogan was the Golden Goose for WCW. So...of COURSE Hogan was going to go over Savage. Could Savage have held the title longer? Sure. Blame the bookers.
You're only telling half the story dont work yourself into a shoot brother ! There was nothing in the script that stated the Huckster was to steal the limelight when they were both face several times .
@@hanssprungfeld8487 ....read what you just wrote and read what i wrote. Specifically these two parts.
--Hogan was the top babyface in the 80s that vince was completely relying on in getting the vision where he wanted his company to go and to accomplish.
--Jake the Snake: You don't go against the golden goose.
Then...go into more detail when they actually did build someone that could/did rival/eclipse Hogan's popularity---Warrior. Then look at how business was when Warrior became the champ and focal point while Hogan started to do a lesser schedule in order to try to do things outside WWF. Warrior wasn't doing business as well as Hogan did. Which of course led to the course of Vince having Warrior lose the title and face Savage and having Hogan face the champ Sgt. Slaughter to become champ once again.
And...in even MORE detail. Warrior and Savage face off in a retirement match where Savage as well started to have more of a lighter schedule and become more of a color commentator. So yea...didn't make sense for Savage to go over Hogan at that particular time.
@@hanssprungfeld8487 Randy Savage was an amazing pro wrestler, one of the best ever, but don't you ever forget that he was an absolute nothing compared to the numbers that Hulk Hogan drew. The limelight belonged to Hogan and anyone else was just sharing it for a while.
@@handsolo1209 Is that you, Terry?
@@piperar2014 Wow, what a counter argument. You have floored me with such facts and knowledge......
Savage giving Hogan that black eye has been debunked repeatedly. It was a jet ski accident.
The more I learn about Hulk, the more I don’t like him.
“You’re getting a leg brother”
"That doesn't work for me , brother"
What more did you learn from this ? That Vince didn't want Hogan to lose to anyone in the 80s ? That's been known for years.
@@MrJjburgess11 Not specifically from this video. Just in general. He’s a shitty person.
You have to take it with a grain of salt remember these individuals are in competition for money they are gonna throw dirt on each other i still love Hulk Hogan and Macho Man Randy Savage and all the other wrestlers i watched as a kid
You have to love when marks still ask mark questions in this day and age 🤣
I was always a Hogan fan since the 80s but looking back now I feel like randy savage should have definitely beat Hogan with a clean finish randy would have been bigger if Hogan wasn't in the WWF either way I miss those days they were very entertaining and I'm glad that I grew up in that era 80s and 90s are the golden era in my book
And if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle
@@chrischar9428 very funny
6:05 Well jim let's be fair a little bit. In 1997 in Canada Hulk Hogan lost clean to jacques Rougeau the Mountie . SO Do not talk as if Hogan will refuse to lose in front of your star . Rougeau’s clean victory over Hulk Hogan remains one of the most talked-about moments of his wrestling career.
Why are people asking Cornette about Hogan and Savage? His guess would be as good as ours.
I would say because Corny is a true historian. He knows his pro wrestling.
I can’t help but feel like he’s probably heard some stuff that we haven’t.
I learned something new.
@@jby1155 I’ll bet Corny knows the real on Macho Man and Stephanie Levesque.
Your guess would not be as good as his.
I was always a Macho Man fan. I remember my uncle giving me the WM5 vhs & understood why Randy felt betrayed.Plus Hogan wrestled as a heel
Hogan and Savage were off and on friends for years.
Yea in the 80s and early 90s 😂 there was no way you'd wanna be Hogan's friend if you really knew him at best they were acquaintances. Only reason macho still ever brought up Hogan in the late 90s and on his last years was because Terry couldn't shut his damn mouth and kept bringing old beef back.
NGL I respect Hogan for the character he is and how he is with fans but that's about it. Terry is a different story...
Warrior told a story the two happened to meet each other at a hospital and Randy invited Hogan to a barbeque.
Savage hated Hogan
My older brother was a huge hogan kid, I was massive on randy savage. He admits now that I was right.
Be a man hogan
6:00 There is that Hollywood Hogan vs Jacques Rougeau match.