Without the destruction of the colonies, events wouldn't have been put in motion that led up to this moment. Sometimes we have to go through destruction before we can be reborn.
I gotta hand it to Moore, he tapped into the original series concept of a version of humanity far evolved, and put them into play here in a very subtle manner. He dared viewers for a long time to consider the possibility that these visions of Baltar and Six were just voices in the character's minds, only to land their reality as very real agents of an evolved creator force very deftly. The revelation that "Hey, wait, we're NOT crazy?" was a solid play.
He assists in Humanity's near destruction(unwittingly), and greatly assists in the rebirth of Humanity. Poetry in motion and redemption in it's purest form.
He's a fucking traitor, dude. Baltar sold out the human race like nothing. The Cylons should never have even been able to win the war. But thanks to booblehead Baltar they did. Fucking Traitor! So say we all!
Or maybe they were going to eventually destroy humanity with somekind of technology. But they discovered compassion and might not use it and remember that we helped him despite we could've chosen not to...
gaius whole existence has been one of self-preservation, sowing the seeds of discord whenever it suited his purpose. This was not an act of redemption, it was purely another attempt to gain personal favor, which quickly turned against him, so he had to concoct another scheme to resolve the mess he'd created.
Actually, I think from "The Plan" it's Cavil who started it. Baltar was just the one Caprica picked to get the defense codes from. And the first real strike in the war appears to have not required anything from Baltar. They took out Armistice Station as the first strike. Armistice Station was unarmed and had been unarmed since it's establishment following the end of the first war, which they knew. Easy target, and it seems possible from the fact that they made sure to eliminate it before moving on to the attack on the twelve colonies that it would have put up a warning of their approach had they simply bypassed the station. Not that it would have mattered.
@@richardgreenleaf3259 It's not entirely honest to blame solely Cavil. The colonial fleet sent stealth ships into Cyclon space which was in direct violation of the cimtar peace accords. Less than 2 years later the second war happened. Pretty clear breaking the peace accord led to the war. Were they preparing? maybe, you can speculate. But fact is they didn't break the armistice, the colonies did. So if we're to assign blame to anyone, it's neither Gauis or Cavil (both have their faults). The blame falls solely on the idiots in colonial fleet who signed off on that mission.
"We take as given the idea.that the traditional space opera, with its stock characters, techno-double-talk, bumpy-headed aliens, thespian histrionics, and empty heroics has run its course and a new approach is required. That approach is to introduce realism into what has heretofore been an aggressively unrealistic genre." - Ronald D. Moore. Season 5. "I can see Angels."
I was thinking about this yesterday after having watched the scene on DVD the night before and I realized something I'd never considered in the years since the final episode aired. Does anyone truly believe this specific Cavil would have kept his word? Of the two principle versions maybe the version picked up on Caprica might have kept his word. But this version I think once they had recreated resurrection would have then pushed the Cylons to once more go after and destroy humanity. But then he never got the chance after what happened when Tyrol learned the truth about Cally's death.
I had the same question. Cavil wanted to punish the 5, and he seemed to have no bounds on how far he’d go to accomplish that goal. However, God seemed to have that in hand as the decisions of the past led to that one moment where everything came to a head and Cavils Cylon faction was wiped out, leaving humans and Cylons to live together as one on a planet that could support them.
Anyone else think that nBSG could easily be taken as existing in an alternative reality of the Wheel of Time universe? The theme of events being cyclical, the implication that 'God' only cares about balance, the idea that free will might be the wild card that can break or at least delay the cycle, the prophecies, the rebirths, certain characters being extremely lucky as the plot requires, etc.
Too bad that the previous comments a wrong about the timeline Battlestar Galactica came out long before Mass Effect Therefore whoever created Mass Effect watched Battlestar Galactica and was inspired
The original series, yes. But the re-imagined series was between the third and fourth seasons when the first Mass Effect game came out. Could still have inspired the game, though.
Whoever was inspired, fucked it up. BSG "synthesis" ending is masterful, painstakingly revealed and understood through important questions... written into the story from the very first episode. Im Mass Effect , it has nothing to do with anything, does not provide a satisfying conclusion AND SHITS on events that actually happened during the story. Its a great shame, I replay Mass Effect every now and then... that is M1,M2 and about 90% of M3 ... I rather end on my own cliffhanger of "will they construct the Crucible in time" then the shit show of an ending.
Its still one of the best senses I si fiction to this day the whole series touches on subjects that are around are world to day if never seen the whole series it's a must watch I found upsetting when dee took her life in series it touchs on people who lose hope and faith
Who on earth is Cavil addressing and how do the Humans know who to patch him through to?! The conversion sounded so silly "Hello, it's me Cavil!!", Is it a Centurion, another Skin Job or a Hybrid even!?!
Propably simply an open channel everybody can listen to. The cylons know it is their commander simply by voice recogniton. They are highly advanced machines after all.
I guess but it did look pretty ridiculous from the viewers/humans point of view. I also thought the pure machine Cylons couldn't tell any of the humanoid models a part from one another? Although I assume all humanoid models have command control over the rest...
Why would seeing the dead risen be considered supernatural when they have a ship dedicated to cloning them and implanting the most recently transmitted backup copy of their consciousness?
The Rssurection Hub (the main resurrection ship) was destroyed a few episodes back, this ending their ability to download & resurrect. They were now as vulnerable as the Humans.
What I didn’t like about the RDM series is that they didn’t make it as clear as in TOS that it’s not truly God as we perceive it pulling strings, but a force beyond our comprehension and understanding but still very much of this world. In the TOS series the “angels” speak to Starbuck and Apollo and outright tell them “you are what we once were, and we are what you could be,” but in the RDM series the most we get is angel Six saying “that too is in God’s plan,” and then angel Baltar says “you know he doesn’t like that name,” indicating that this unseen force isn’t truly God and it acknowledges that, and is humble enough to not want people to call it something it isn’t. I just think the RDM could have handled that better.
Past season 2,there is no evidence of a cohesive plan for the series, so it's quite likely they didn't know what they wanted to do with 'God'. Unlikely that an American network tv show would have made it out unscathed if they spelled it out.
Very interesting to see how modern society would develop without the Judeo-Christian ethic. Colonial society is most likely what it would be like. This one thing might prevent US from repeating this cycle.
I'm an atheist, a stone cold non believer. But I love mythology and fantasy and science fiction. I have no problem in embracing crazy concepts in a show or movie as long as the rules of that fictional universe are clearly defined. In BSG, the idea of angels and gods was set up way back in the pilot and I have absolutely no problem with the "god did it" (even though he doesn't like that name) explanation in BSG. It's entirely consistent with what happens throughout the show. The are prophecies that come true. There are miracles.
**SPOILER ALERT** You know once the man had the technology the truce was off, the man was never going to let the human race go he was obsessed with the elimination of humanity.
There are a bunch of clips out there that make me think watching this show could be fun. This? This is not one of them. This is hateful drivel, ignorance dressed up to sound wise. That it could be perceived as otherwise is saddening.
My recommendation then is to watch the series to get more context, up until this episode the humans encounter more and more things that makes some of them think that they might be guided by something, they choose to see it as divine but it leaves it very vague.
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“Listen, I see Angels, one is insanely hot in a red dress and the other one looks like me. So you can believe me”
FINALLY Baltar earns his keep. Took him long enough.
Gateaux Q finally decided to don the flak jacket and stap on a side arm
ow it make sense why god choose him
When you roll a 20 for charisma check - Baltar
Baltar goes from being the cause of humanity almost being wiped out to holding the ancestor of current humans in his arms .
Without the destruction of the colonies, events wouldn't have been put in motion that led up to this moment. Sometimes we have to go through destruction before we can be reborn.
If you think about it, the first significantly aided him in accomplishing the latter
I gotta hand it to Moore, he tapped into the original series concept of a version of humanity far evolved, and put them into play here in a very subtle manner. He dared viewers for a long time to consider the possibility that these visions of Baltar and Six were just voices in the character's minds, only to land their reality as very real agents of an evolved creator force very deftly. The revelation that "Hey, wait, we're NOT crazy?" was a solid play.
I always loved how Cavil address the other Cylons on the radio. "Hello!? It's me, Cavil."
Best show ever. The justification for television.
The end of the war in the greatest sci fi show in history
This isn't deep space nine, actually.
Especially brilliant acting from James Callis...on a show already noted for its excellent acting. Bravo!
He assists in Humanity's near destruction(unwittingly), and greatly assists in the rebirth of Humanity. Poetry in motion and redemption in it's purest form.
He's a fucking traitor, dude. Baltar sold out the human race like nothing. The Cylons should never have even been able to win the war. But thanks to booblehead Baltar they did. Fucking Traitor! So say we all!
Or maybe they were going to eventually destroy humanity with somekind of technology. But they discovered compassion and might not use it and remember that we helped him despite we could've chosen not to...
@@zachavery1883 They created a new species - (presumably) your species.
@@zachavery1883 You're an idiot with no sense of context. Also, that phrase is a shitty one liner.
gaius whole existence has been one of self-preservation, sowing the seeds of discord whenever it suited his purpose. This was not an act of redemption, it was purely another attempt to gain personal favor, which quickly turned against him, so he had to concoct another scheme to resolve the mess he'd created.
Gaius started it & Gaius ended it.
Actually, I think from "The Plan" it's Cavil who started it. Baltar was just the one Caprica picked to get the defense codes from. And the first real strike in the war appears to have not required anything from Baltar. They took out Armistice Station as the first strike. Armistice Station was unarmed and had been unarmed since it's establishment following the end of the first war, which they knew. Easy target, and it seems possible from the fact that they made sure to eliminate it before moving on to the attack on the twelve colonies that it would have put up a warning of their approach had they simply bypassed the station. Not that it would have mattered.
@@richardgreenleaf3259 It's not entirely honest to blame solely Cavil. The colonial fleet sent stealth ships into Cyclon space which was in direct violation of the cimtar peace accords. Less than 2 years later the second war happened. Pretty clear breaking the peace accord led to the war. Were they preparing? maybe, you can speculate. But fact is they didn't break the armistice, the colonies did. So if we're to assign blame to anyone, it's neither Gauis or Cavil (both have their faults). The blame falls solely on the idiots in colonial fleet who signed off on that mission.
"Hello? It's me, Cavill!" LOL
Oh yeah? Which one?
@@Killian.Hardegen "The one wearing black!"
@@PathsUnwritten Oh man...not you again!!!
"Cavill? Henry? Ah shit Dave, some dude is yanking my chain again, gooddamn prank calls...."
the amount of great actors on this show. Any one of them could have been a solo star but BSG had dozens of great actors. Best tv show ever!
Baltars redemption. Finally it’s okay to like him.
Gaius chose the Synthesis Ending in Mass Effect 3, LULZ.
Oh shit you're totally right.
i dont get it. never played mass effect.
@@starmaster191 That's illegal.
@@usul573 whats illegal
@@starmaster191 Not playing Mass Effect.
baltar is neither bad nor good. He is the tool to create a new cycle.
I think the last cycle, which is what I think these agents of God (or whatever) where trying to do here.
"We take as given the idea.that the traditional space opera, with its stock characters, techno-double-talk, bumpy-headed aliens, thespian histrionics, and empty heroics has run its course and a new approach is required. That approach is to introduce realism into what has heretofore been an aggressively unrealistic genre." - Ronald D. Moore. Season 5. "I can see Angels."
Listen to any call in show in the US in real life...
were i come from, if you want peace, you have to be armed to nuke the other fuckers back into the oceans
I was thinking about this yesterday after having watched the scene on DVD the night before and I realized something I'd never considered in the years since the final episode aired. Does anyone truly believe this specific Cavil would have kept his word? Of the two principle versions maybe the version picked up on Caprica might have kept his word. But this version I think once they had recreated resurrection would have then pushed the Cylons to once more go after and destroy humanity. But then he never got the chance after what happened when Tyrol learned the truth about Cally's death.
I had the same question. Cavil wanted to punish the 5, and he seemed to have no bounds on how far he’d go to accomplish that goal. However, God seemed to have that in hand as the decisions of the past led to that one moment where everything came to a head and Cavils Cylon faction was wiped out, leaving humans and Cylons to live together as one on a planet that could support them.
Man the switch between the opera house and galactica’s hallways and bridge is brilliance 😍😍😍😍
Anyone else think that nBSG could easily be taken as existing in an alternative reality of the Wheel of Time universe? The theme of events being cyclical, the implication that 'God' only cares about balance, the idea that free will might be the wild card that can break or at least delay the cycle, the prophecies, the rebirths, certain characters being extremely lucky as the plot requires, etc.
Too bad that the previous comments a wrong about the timeline
Battlestar Galactica came out long before Mass Effect
Therefore whoever created Mass Effect watched Battlestar Galactica and was inspired
The original series, yes. But the re-imagined series was between the third and fourth seasons when the first Mass Effect game came out. Could still have inspired the game, though.
@@richardgreenleaf3259
Still doesn't change anything
The updated dose not figure in real life time line .
BSG / tos still existed before Mass effect .
Whoever was inspired, fucked it up. BSG "synthesis" ending is masterful, painstakingly revealed and understood through important questions... written into the story from the very first episode. Im Mass Effect , it has nothing to do with anything, does not provide a satisfying conclusion AND SHITS on events that actually happened during the story. Its a great shame, I replay Mass Effect every now and then... that is M1,M2 and about 90% of M3 ... I rather end on my own cliffhanger of "will they construct the Crucible in time" then the shit show of an ending.
Thank You!
Its still one of the best senses I si fiction to this day the whole series touches on subjects that are around are world to day if never seen the whole series it's a must watch I found upsetting when dee took her life in series it touchs on people who lose hope and faith
All hail Gaius frakkin Baltar!!!
Great show,I love BSG
An unknowable cosmic force of nature beyond human comprehension, reason or moral concepts, H.P Lovecraft has entered the chat
Baltar: God doesn't take sides.
Me: A lot of people needto hear that.
Break the cycle, choose Synthesis.
I frakking love bsg 1
we know cavil will just go back on his word, like the first time he did this.
The next scene is more memorable, the moment when they all connect and tyrol learns how cally died.
And no matter what they did here, a salvo of nukes were going to be launched soon from that trashed Raptor.
thats the way most of the wars start....
Gaius Baltar for President!
We've seen where that leads.
I just realized that Cavil plays Ben in Blue Velvet.
Ben Finny I miss that show!!
Among many other roles.
Who on earth is Cavil addressing and how do the Humans know who to patch him through to?! The conversion sounded so silly "Hello, it's me Cavil!!", Is it a Centurion, another Skin Job or a Hybrid even!?!
Propably simply an open channel everybody can listen to. The cylons know it is their commander simply by voice recogniton. They are highly advanced machines after all.
I guess but it did look pretty ridiculous from the viewers/humans point of view. I also thought the pure machine Cylons couldn't tell any of the humanoid models a part from one another? Although I assume all humanoid models have command control over the rest...
I was really into the Exalted RPG when I first watched this. I still can't not think the two angels are named the Ebon Dragon and the Scarlet Empress,
?!? I am an Atheist (full-on) and I love the ending!
which has nothing to do with this show lol...
Atheists are just like Vegans. Gotta announce what they are when its entirely irrelevant.
2:40
I will.
Why would seeing the dead risen be considered supernatural when they have a ship dedicated to cloning them and implanting the most recently transmitted backup copy of their consciousness?
The Rssurection Hub (the main resurrection ship) was destroyed a few episodes back, this ending their ability to download & resurrect. They were now as vulnerable as the Humans.
He was talking about Kara
I may be mad. But that doesn't make me not right lol.
Although she is a machine, why is six holding that mp7 like that lol
FRAK!
SO SAY WE ALL!
What I didn’t like about the RDM series is that they didn’t make it as clear as in TOS that it’s not truly God as we perceive it pulling strings, but a force beyond our comprehension and understanding but still very much of this world. In the TOS series the “angels” speak to Starbuck and Apollo and outright tell them “you are what we once were, and we are what you could be,” but in the RDM series the most we get is angel Six saying “that too is in God’s plan,” and then angel Baltar says “you know he doesn’t like that name,” indicating that this unseen force isn’t truly God and it acknowledges that, and is humble enough to not want people to call it something it isn’t. I just think the RDM could have handled that better.
That's one reason why it's better to refer to gods by their proper names rather than just calling them generic "God" or "Lord" or whatever.
He doesn't like that the name God, because his name is 'Chuck'.
@@ApolloXL5 - Hey - That's "Mr. Cheese" to you!
The original BSG was made by a faithful mormon. It was capital G god in that series too dude. Probably even more so than in the 04 series.
Past season 2,there is no evidence of a cohesive plan for the series, so it's quite likely they didn't know what they wanted to do with 'God'. Unlikely that an American network tv show would have made it out unscathed if they spelled it out.
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Very interesting to see how modern society would develop without the Judeo-Christian ethic. Colonial society is most likely what it would be like. This one thing might prevent US from repeating this cycle.
whats unexplained about that?
GOD I MISS GOOD SYFY AT LEAST Quantum leap is back
Is Baltar an Angel, a Cylon or...?
God doesn't care what you call him, so long as you call him-George Harrison.
Doctor Bashir is always right....
those are two different actors bud
@@LabradorIndependent you dont say
IS BALTAR TALKING ABOUT 'THE FORCE '???
THE 'STAR WARS FORCE!!!
Kettle
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Definitely NOT imprimatur/nihil obstat.
I'm an atheist, a stone cold non believer. But I love mythology and fantasy and science fiction. I have no problem in embracing crazy concepts in a show or movie as long as the rules of that fictional universe are clearly defined. In BSG, the idea of angels and gods was set up way back in the pilot and I have absolutely no problem with the "god did it" (even though he doesn't like that name) explanation in BSG. It's entirely consistent with what happens throughout the show. The are prophecies that come true. There are miracles.
**SPOILER ALERT** You know once the man had the technology the truce was off, the man was never going to let the human race go he was obsessed with the elimination of humanity.
1:07 Gaius what the hell are you doing with that pistol, drop it before you hurt somebody.
Amateur.
Far too weird
I'm white.
well done...
The ending that every fedora tipping le enlightened atheist hated.
I'm an atheist and I loved the ending and the entire series. It was brilliant :)
My disliking of this show's ending has nothing to do with my absence of belief in the existence of deities.
Projecting your own parochial mindset pretty hard, bub.
@@fomalhaut86 Did you miss the "fedora tipping le enlightened" part, smiley face?
@@Onigirli No😅 I just wanted to point out that I liked the ending 🙂
What a waste of good talent
There are a bunch of clips out there that make me think watching this show could be fun.
This? This is not one of them. This is hateful drivel, ignorance dressed up to sound wise. That it could be perceived as otherwise is saddening.
My recommendation then is to watch the series to get more context, up until this episode the humans encounter more and more things that makes some of them think that they might be guided by something, they choose to see it as divine but it leaves it very vague.