Thank you for another timely, thoughtful video. Watching the C152 brings back a distant memory… also happened in Canada. It was the 1970s after being turned loose to solo. I had prepared the plane for the day’s flight with my instructor. We took off that morning for a dual flight. The field was fairly short and he asked for me to demonstrate a short field take off. At the moment I rotated the seat locking mechanism popped loose and me with the yoke in left hand slammed to the rear of the seat rails. I recall being totally startled as the nose pitched way up while my instructor at the same time drove the yolk forward out of my hand. Still a bit startled I readjusted the seat and I sheepishly finished up whatever it was we were doing convinced that I’d failed to check that my seat was locked. After the flight’s debriefing we had a closer look and saw that in-fact this old C150 had considerable wear and tear on the lock pin slots allowing the seat to self-release and slide back. I felt vindicated for a moment then realized that had I been solo I doubt that I would have recovered in the seconds between pitch up and stall during a short field departure. Later this became a known problem. Lesson that day was that I did every walk-around for the next forty years like my life depended on it. In-fact the joke was that the AME could sign off one of my walk arounds in lieu of a 50 hour inspection. 😊
"A Stearman, 3 Cessnas, and 2 Pipers", sounds like a good title for a Luigi Pirandello play! Another informative (and entertaining) video. Thank you, Scott.
I think that one would be forgiven. "Be fruitful and multiply". This case would probably need to be seen by the review board, but I think they probably would be cleared on a technicality.
Thanks much... it never hurts to remember again. One of the very first things my first instructor drilled into my habits was proper go-around technique, and I've had occasion to be very glad of it. Regards,
Thanks. The first Cessna 150 video was covered in full by Juan at Brocolirio. The pilot was trying to clear the pass of an altitude of 12000 ft in that aircraft on a high density atitude day. But he continued to another one which he did make it over. Lucky I guess.
I recall reading a comment that went like... If during preflight checks you find yourself deciding to start at McDonald's and rotate by Wendy's it probably time for a rethink.
Exact same type of Stearman accident happened a few years ago in Wisconsin, pilot flying pax for a charity event, flew low along a river, hit power lines, unfortunately his passenger drowned. Pilot survived and had untold court cases and lawsuits, plus the death of his passenger on his conscience.
I took my PPL in 1997. My CFi used to teach not only aerobatics but also 5 kinds of engine fails on take off and initial climb (5 maneuvers for EFATO). Those before solo reg's were FAA FAR part 61 and 91 in 1997 (Before solo Requirements). Also was part 61.87 (e)4.. It read like this.. I still have that FAA book. Required to teach? Yes. Go arounds from final, And from the Landing Flare, in various flight configurations INCLUDING TURNS. Not easy on the C150 except in cold weather. Easier on the Cherokee 150 hp. Yes i took all that training.. in 1997. But in November 1998, FAA deleted all those take off engine problems regulations and also the Go around from flare regulations too. FAA then let thousands of pilots fly been ignorant of all kinds of EFATO and go arounds from flare too. FAA make the Killing of thousands of pilots and passengers, THAT CRASHED later on, via programmed ignorance by deleting needed maneuvers. What a shame.
Fish Swim Birds Fly and Humans Try. I am not a pilot. It appears to me There is a lot to understand and learn before flying. I love aviation content on UA-cam. Looking forward to your OSHKOSH coverage. The fireworks were EPIC on Wednesday night. The Night airshow contained Planes ,drones, fireworks & the wall of 🔥. The camera position on the EAA website gave a Perfect view. We mirrored it to our television using Apple TV. Thank you for your safety reviews.❤
my dad bought a basket case stearman in 1968 we made it a super stearman. tookus 3 years to get it all done. still have it love it.i sold one i bought here from a old man a couple of years ago. the guy who bought it said he was a a natural with any airplane lol well he totaled it out on take off. he didnt get hurt but i went huh? he owned it for less than 15 minutes.
Re: The student Cessna crash. I remember a Cessna 150 crash a few years ago flown by a high time cfi where he flew a low pass with 40 flaps! Over gross on hot day and ended up upside down in a corn field. Amazingly neither guys were hurt. Point being students do bad things because of poor training , high time pilots sometimes simply do stupid things. I’ve flown with a lot of experienced pilots in the last 30 years in small GA craft and have no memory of any of them ever using a checklist 😳
The first story shows the importance of performing a full passenger briefing. No matter how obvious the pilot thinks opening the door or releasing the seat belt it isn't necessarily obvious to the passengers.
Shocked and bemused on that last one. Though one shouldn't find tragedy funny, nonetheless were they pitching up and down to use the +/- g sensations for the "act" - but got carried away and ripped the wing off? Surely a winner for the prize of most DDD. (Dumb, Dangerous, Different)
16:42 Excellent point here. I would extend that to ALL aircraft and all flights. Check out the pre-takeoff banter of @MissionaryBushPilot as he prepares his single turbine.
Thanks Gunny. I too flew/sprayed crops with the Stearman and loved it. I also hit service wires I didn't see and cut them with the big HS prop. The student go around, and all LOC go arounds bewilder me. Why isn't cruise climb default for going around? Does all the Vx for short field over obstacles and Vy for normal climb in ACS set pilots up to think either Vx or Vy is ever appropriate on long runways? The practice of giving up free ground effect early should be discouraged. Why doesn't the DPE lean on "the outcome of the maneuver was never in doubt" a bit more? Engine failure at Vy pitch attitude followed by three seconds of startle is always in doubt. Sorry about the rant. I know you teach Vcc.
My solo flight at Eglin AFB, FL (aero club) was my last, not for reasons of flight, but because my instructor moved away and $$ was getting short. I was on a stabilized final when a medivac demanded a priority takeoff and the tower instructed me to do a right 360-degree turn. I must have done the necessary tasks correctly because I'm still here after 65 years. Oh, I failed to turn off the carb heat. I may briefed my instructor on what I did, but I have no recollection of doing the maneuver.
Have looked a lot at the 414 POH as in my plans for flying safari clients around here in Africa. The engine failure on takeoff very much as you say, something to have thought about prior! The POH also states that altitude more beneficial than speed in excess of blue line. It makes the point that airspeed is lost much more rapidly than altitude. With this in mind would you subscribe to the idea of keeping speed close to blue line in almost all circumstances where Asda is close to what is required? (The POH point 1 in amplified emergency procedures stating that discontinuing usually the best option not withstanding}
Assume having the autopilot engaged could have prevented the last accident Mr. Rodgers discussed (having an Airplane movie flashback 😁). Hope they made it to the mile-high club before departure. RIP!
That idiot 150 pilot is a CFI and after that near crash actually tried again to get over the pass at a different location and made it. He needs his license pulled.
Man, that Stearman pilot should never be allowed to take passengers again. What a dereliction of his responsibilities to the passenger. That pilot sounds like the Costa Concordia captain. Makes poor decisions leading to disaster, then abandons his passengers. Makes my blood boil.
Italians officers and the Italian Captain were the first to abandon the ship. The Philipinos lower crew had to go under deck to all cabins alerting the many passengers to put life jackets and direct them to the liferafts. The Germans were right about the italian culture..
That lady should sue the Steerman pilot because his negligence almost resulted in her death, and the icing on the cake of disrespect is that he also planned to lie after abandoning the passenger and then was dumb enough to tell witnesses that he was going to, in fact, lie thinking they were going to go along. I've raced dirt track cars, and getting harnesses off in a panic situation if you have never done so before is not easy. He didn't even bother to give her a safety briefing before he decided to take her out and perform hotdog maneuvers near the water ? What a selfish, irresponsible moron. Excuse my language. Also the pilot who was In the Cessna that narrowly missed crashing didn't learn his lesson. According to ADSB he continued to fly then did it again clearing another canyon at 14,000 feet by only a few hundred feet with erratic speeds and altitude changes due to the high density and winds. He was near the surface ceiling of the Cessna when he did it and he finally landed after that. I hope they don't rent to him again and to make matters worth this guy is teaching other pilots he is a CFI.
@@Darkvirgo88xx that’s very easy for you to say not knowing him personally as I do. He is a fine man and ask yourself the question, would you initially not want to lose 200k ? If you pay insurance premiums and know how much money these companies have and know that they hate giving any of it back. Of course he was in shock after such an event and in the wrong state of mind to rationalize that it would not be a good plan to fabricate a story. Just think on it a while before throwing stones.
I saw a piper chorkee 6 that ripped the main gear off he hit a wire fence I did not see this but he flew just oVer 1 hour back to the airport were I worked the left gear was ripped off the spar and this broke the spar there was only 2 inches of the top of the spar holding it together there were 4 on board and their gear the right wing twisted the wing but the top part of the gear was still attached they should have done the go round and landed at the airstrip not fly over 1 hour it was good on their side the wing fid not snap off the skins were cracking and they said they hit the fence but said it was ok yo continue flying the pilot made this decision which was not and engineer and he did to me was the most foolish thing he could have every done in his life. He was one of the cocky guys attitude pilots that thinks because he is a pilot he is god and they never removed his licence and no one could believe someone would do such a stupid thing as he was landing on a dirt strip which was clear rather side but to continue fly so far with such damage thing nothing of it because he is a pilot And god in the sky is beyond engineerrd
Thank you for another timely, thoughtful video. Watching the C152 brings back a distant memory… also happened in Canada. It was the 1970s after being turned loose to solo. I had prepared the plane for the day’s flight with my instructor. We took off that morning for a dual flight. The field was fairly short and he asked for me to demonstrate a short field take off. At the moment I rotated the seat locking mechanism popped loose and me with the yoke in left hand slammed to the rear of the seat rails. I recall being totally startled as the nose pitched way up while my instructor at the same time drove the yolk forward out of my hand. Still a bit startled I readjusted the seat and I sheepishly finished up whatever it was we were doing convinced that I’d failed to check that my seat was locked. After the flight’s debriefing we had a closer look and saw that in-fact this old C150 had considerable wear and tear on the lock pin slots allowing the seat to self-release and slide back. I felt vindicated for a moment then realized that had I been solo I doubt that I would have recovered in the seconds between pitch up and stall during a short field departure. Later this became a known problem. Lesson that day was that I did every walk-around for the next forty years like my life depended on it. In-fact the joke was that the AME could sign off one of my walk arounds in lieu of a 50 hour inspection. 😊
"A Stearman, 3 Cessnas, and 2 Pipers", sounds like a good title for a Luigi Pirandello play! Another informative (and entertaining) video. Thank you, Scott.
"A Stearman, 3 Cessnas, and 2 Pipers" sounds like the opening of a "walk into a bar" joke. ;)
@@SGTSnakeUSMC LOL! Yes!
Thanks Scott. It took me forever to understand what on earth was going on with the last one, but I eventually had an "Oh, Ok ..." moment.
Imagine explaining to St. Peter how you met your end with that last one.
I think that one would be forgiven. "Be fruitful and multiply".
This case would probably need to be seen by the review board, but I think they probably would be cleared on a technicality.
Thanks much... it never hurts to remember again. One of the very first things my first instructor drilled into my habits was proper go-around technique, and I've had occasion to be very glad of it.
Regards,
Thanks. The first Cessna 150 video was covered in full by Juan at Brocolirio. The pilot was trying to clear the pass of an altitude of 12000 ft in that aircraft on a high density atitude day. But he continued to another one which he did make it over. Lucky I guess.
in addition he was on the lee side of the mountain pass in strong winds. Stupid on the first attempt, belligerent on the second.
6:45 Incredibly, the pilot continued on and flew over a DIFFERENT pass, barely clearing that one as well
I remember that crash taking place on the public road, still makes me shake my head. Last report: Hard way to die.
I recall reading a comment that went like... If during preflight checks you find yourself deciding to start at McDonald's and rotate by Wendy's it probably time for a rethink.
Exact same type of Stearman accident happened a few years ago in Wisconsin, pilot flying pax for a charity event, flew low along a river, hit power lines, unfortunately his passenger drowned. Pilot survived and had untold court cases and lawsuits, plus the death of his passenger on his conscience.
I took my PPL in 1997. My CFi used to teach not only aerobatics but also 5 kinds of engine fails on take off and initial climb (5 maneuvers for EFATO). Those before solo reg's were FAA FAR part 61 and 91 in 1997 (Before solo Requirements). Also was part 61.87 (e)4.. It read like this.. I still have that FAA book. Required to teach? Yes. Go arounds from final, And from the Landing Flare, in various flight configurations INCLUDING TURNS. Not easy on the C150 except in cold weather. Easier on the Cherokee 150 hp.
Yes i took all that training.. in 1997. But in November 1998, FAA deleted all those take off engine problems regulations and also the Go around from flare regulations too. FAA then let thousands of pilots fly been ignorant of all kinds of EFATO and go arounds from flare too. FAA make the Killing of thousands of pilots and passengers, THAT CRASHED later on, via programmed ignorance by deleting needed maneuvers. What a shame.
Love your content. Always value your wisdom and knowledge. Sometimes it’s a bit hard for to hear you through. Thank you!
Fish Swim Birds Fly and Humans Try.
I am not a pilot.
It appears to me There is a lot to understand and learn before flying.
I love aviation content on UA-cam.
Looking forward to your OSHKOSH coverage.
The fireworks were EPIC on Wednesday night. The Night airshow contained Planes ,drones, fireworks & the wall of 🔥.
The camera position on the EAA website gave a Perfect view.
We mirrored it to our television using Apple TV.
Thank you for your safety reviews.❤
my dad bought a basket case stearman in 1968 we made it a super stearman. tookus 3 years to get it all done. still have it love it.i sold one i bought here from a old man a couple of years ago. the guy who bought it said he was a a natural with any airplane lol well he totaled it out on take off. he didnt get hurt but i went huh? he owned it for less than 15 minutes.
Great video, Scott. Hope it helps some pilots.
Florida Man !..... It's always, the Florida Man !
Re: The student Cessna crash. I remember a Cessna 150 crash a few years ago flown by a high time cfi where he flew a low pass with 40 flaps! Over gross on hot day and ended up upside down in a corn field. Amazingly neither guys were hurt. Point being students do bad things because of poor training , high time pilots sometimes simply do stupid things. I’ve flown with a lot of experienced pilots in the last 30 years in small GA craft and have no memory of any of them ever using a checklist 😳
I saw the latter event you mentioned.
Scott, once again thanks for posting this excellent video.
The first story shows the importance of performing a full passenger briefing. No matter how obvious the pilot thinks opening the door or releasing the seat belt it isn't necessarily obvious to the passengers.
Shocked and bemused on that last one. Though one shouldn't find tragedy funny, nonetheless were they pitching up and down to use the +/- g sensations for the "act" - but got carried away and ripped the wing off? Surely a winner for the prize of most DDD. (Dumb, Dangerous, Different)
Airspeed is to life, as altitude is to insurance!
Thank you, Scott.
16:42 Excellent point here. I would extend that to ALL aircraft and all flights. Check out the pre-takeoff banter of @MissionaryBushPilot as he prepares his single turbine.
Thank you Scott.
Thanks Gunny. I too flew/sprayed crops with the Stearman and loved it. I also hit service wires I didn't see and cut them with the big HS prop. The student go around, and all LOC go arounds bewilder me. Why isn't cruise climb default for going around? Does all the Vx for short field over obstacles and Vy for normal climb in ACS set pilots up to think either Vx or Vy is ever appropriate on long runways? The practice of giving up free ground effect early should be discouraged. Why doesn't the DPE lean on "the outcome of the maneuver was never in doubt" a bit more? Engine failure at Vy pitch attitude followed by three seconds of startle is always in doubt. Sorry about the rant. I know you teach Vcc.
My solo flight at Eglin AFB, FL (aero club) was my last, not for reasons of flight, but because my instructor moved away and $$ was getting short. I was on a stabilized final when a medivac demanded a priority takeoff and the tower instructed me to do a right 360-degree turn. I must have done the necessary tasks correctly because I'm still here after 65 years. Oh, I failed to turn off the carb heat. I may briefed my instructor on what I did, but I have no recollection of doing the maneuver.
360 ON FINAL can be a tough maneuver. It should be practiced at 500 or over agl. Wind corrections have to be done well if a crosswind.
That guy in the canyon cut the grass with his tail.
IIRC the Aerostar showed up on eBay about two months later.
What an upgrade! Nice to see you in a collared shirt.
concur!
Exceptional... as always.
Thanks, Scott.
Excellent lessons
Thanks 👍
Have looked a lot at the 414 POH as in my plans for flying safari clients around here in Africa. The engine failure on takeoff very much as you say, something to have thought about prior! The POH also states that altitude more beneficial than speed in excess of blue line. It makes the point that airspeed is lost much more rapidly than altitude. With this in mind would you subscribe to the idea of keeping speed close to blue line in almost all circumstances where Asda is close to what is required? (The POH point 1 in amplified emergency procedures stating that discontinuing usually the best option not withstanding}
In any light twin, I default towards Blue Line.
Great lessons learned
Assume having the autopilot engaged could have prevented the last accident Mr. Rodgers discussed (having an Airplane movie flashback 😁). Hope they made it to the mile-high club before departure. RIP!
Definitely some WTF happing here. My jaw literally dropped watching that gear-up go-around. 😮
That idiot 150 pilot is a CFI and after that near crash actually tried again to get over the pass at a different location and made it. He needs his license pulled.
Man, that Stearman pilot should never be allowed to take passengers again. What a dereliction of his responsibilities to the passenger.
That pilot sounds like the Costa Concordia captain. Makes poor decisions leading to disaster, then abandons his passengers.
Makes my blood boil.
Italians officers and the Italian Captain were the first to abandon the ship. The Philipinos lower crew had to go under deck to all cabins alerting the many passengers to put life jackets and direct them to the liferafts. The Germans were right about the italian culture..
Agree, but how about never allowed to FLY again.
I hope you never make a mistake. Ppl will be saying you deserve no mercy.
@@maxmcvicker That was a stupid mistake then lied a lot too. WTF with you..
Sounds like the pilot was showing off, letting the little head fly the plane.
Our family had a Kadet as well.
Is there some way of finding the registration information from 50 years ago to find out what happened to it?
If you know the N number
That lady should sue the Steerman pilot because his negligence almost resulted in her death, and the icing on the cake of disrespect is that he also planned to lie after abandoning the passenger and then was dumb enough to tell witnesses that he was going to, in fact, lie thinking they were going to go along. I've raced dirt track cars, and getting harnesses off in a panic situation if you have never done so before is not easy. He didn't even bother to give her a safety briefing before he decided to take her out and perform hotdog maneuvers near the water ? What a selfish, irresponsible moron. Excuse my language.
Also the pilot who was In the Cessna that narrowly missed crashing didn't learn his lesson. According to ADSB he continued to fly then did it again clearing another canyon at 14,000 feet by only a few hundred feet with erratic speeds and altitude changes due to the high density and winds. He was near the surface ceiling of the Cessna when he did it and he finally landed after that. I hope they don't rent to him again and to make matters worth this guy is teaching other pilots he is a CFI.
@@Darkvirgo88xx that’s very easy for you to say not knowing him personally as I do. He is a fine man and ask yourself the question, would you initially not want to lose 200k ? If you pay insurance premiums and know how much money these companies have and know that they hate giving any of it back. Of course he was in shock after such an event and in the wrong state of mind to rationalize that it would not be a good plan to fabricate a story. Just think on it a while before throwing stones.
They were joining the mile high club
G,day Scott from Sydney Australia. The twin that scratched her belly and applied power, do you know if it was a prop strike?
🌏🇦🇺
Yes, it was. I may have forgotten to include a picture of the airplane afterwards.
The WTF list?
I assume that means, “Why They Flying”?
What the F….
lol, "six quick ones"... or one quick one. 😉
Stearman pilot sounds like a total a hole.
Retired United 777 Captain. He hasn’t been sentenced but will likely spend just a little time in the slammer.
Trump Van Gogh will ride to victory in November!!
@@Showboat_Six 757 domestic; lucky dude.
I saw a piper chorkee 6 that ripped the main gear off he hit a wire fence I did not see this but he flew just oVer 1 hour back to the airport were I worked the left gear was ripped off the spar and this broke the spar there was only 2 inches of the top of the spar holding it together there were 4 on board and their gear the right wing twisted the wing but the top part of the gear was still attached they should have done the go round and landed at the airstrip not fly over 1 hour it was good on their side the wing fid not snap off the skins were cracking and they said they hit the fence but said it was ok yo continue flying the pilot made this decision which was not and engineer and he did to me was the most foolish thing he could have every done in his life. He was one of the cocky guys attitude pilots that thinks because he is a pilot he is god and they never removed his licence and no one could believe someone would do such a stupid thing as he was landing on a dirt strip which was clear rather side but to continue fly so far with such damage thing nothing of it because he is a pilot And god in the sky is beyond engineerrd