The Babylonian mind
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2010
- Many of the concepts you live by today have Babylonian ancestry. Hours being split into 60 minutes, minutes being split into 60 seconds - that’s Babylonian. Zodiac signs and predicting the future - also Babylonian.
Take a wander through some of the British Museum’s Babylonian collection with curator Irving Finkel and discover how much of what you’ve done today could have just as easily been done thousands of years ago.
Originally made for Babylon: Myth and Reality. - Наука та технологія
I am addicted to Irving Finkels lectures. If you haven’t seen him talk non-scripted you are missing a rare treat.
The British Museum needs to find a way for someone to do a series on ancient times and Dr Finkel MUST be the host.
This guy. He's my favorite curator.
Favorite curator? Pff, he's my favorite guy.
Favorite guy? pfft He's my favorite human.
mine too
longgg timmee longg timmee longg schlongg
Yes.
If curating was an Olympic discipline, M.Finkel would be the gold medalist for decades!
Awards should be given
Irving Finkel - British Museum... simply a national treasure!
Never even considered the question, why is it 60? I think you just blew my mind. Well done.
It's fascinating how Dr. Finkel himself evolved over the years. He seems to be used to the camera much more now. ^^ I could watch and listen to him forever!
Only he could make ancient history so interesting & relevant to today!
I learned more from Babylon in these 3 mins. than my college courses...
People had forgotten that Pythagoras as well as other famous mathematicians and philosophers(sages could be said) traveled to places like Babilon, Persepolis and Egypt(perhaps the indus valley as well?) for their formal education. They adapted/adopted? what they learnt to their world. Almost all the scientific/technical knowledge from the ancient world had been lost to time, image if somebody had continued the work of Hero in steam machines circa 4 century B.C!
If we all had of had teachers like Me Fenkel NOBODY would have ever wanted to stop their education!!!!
every time I see Curator Finkel, I half expect him to pull a wand from his sleeve and conduct a class on magical lore. apparently he's moved beyond the need for one.
I don't think i'll ever forget his description of finding a pre Noah description of the Biblical flood,
The first ever star catalogue "Registry of the Triple Stars" also comes from Babylonians. I'm proud to be their descendent, hope to continue their work and study Astrophysics ... I suffer to get a visa though because I'm a Syrian seeker of freedom and asylum.
as an Iraqi he fills my heart with warmth and he taught me valuble facts about ancient Iraq. You won't belive this though, long time ago we used to have picnics near the ruins and it was vey usual to find a brick with cuneiform writing on it and i actually found one my self and being no Finkel i couldn't read it, I'd love to have the clocks go back just to transcribe that writing (not easy) on a peace of paper to show it to Professor Irving Finkel
i could listen to him for days
Wow. This channel is a hidden jewel on UA-cam. Amazing work!
The babylonions and Sumerian history should be taught more intensive in school history classes,
well everything should be taught more intensive in schools today .. when i look at the younger generations of students i see that the only thing they learn in schools is how to bet more and more entitled.
I agree. But the problem is it would be teaching the history of Iraq, and I'm certain that particularly the Americans would not be prepared to do that just now. We studied it a little in our (elective) Art Classes in high school in Australia, and a little in the Ancient History classes. But you had to choose those electives specifically. I think we have a lot more information now about the ancient Sumerians and Babylonians than what we had in my school years almost 1/2 a century ago.
I'm a history teacher. The government wants us to teach children feminist and gay history. Go figure.
@@KerrieRedgate we teach all of these things in 10th grade. Don't be ignorant. In fact, it takes 3 months to teach all of this. You are a racist Asian Chinese. However, an emphasis is being made to teach feminist and gay history.
@Vassal Colony goddamn, wouldn't that be a GREAT thing. Get rid of those drooling, idiot dipshits who are so credulous they'll believe any kind of bullshit you tell 'em, just say "jesus said it" or some such trope! Yeah, FUCK RELIGION! The sooner we get rid of it, the better off the world will be!!!
9 years later.. in my recommended list. I'm cool with that.
🎊🎊🎊 *IRVING!* 🎊🎊🎊
The STAR of the British Museum!
(STAR ). it's A Babylonian word it's mean (ASTAR) star's god .
This vid is alright,
But Irving is best when he speaks in his own way.
You can tell they made him talk "serious".
You mean he speaks formally. To say he "talks serious" is incorrect. Learn to English more gooder.
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NEW JERUSALEM wtf
@@slappy8941 👆 look above 👆I'll also add that I was #66 to 👎 on this video.
@@slappy8941 That's poetic license at it's best. (Responding to your comment which said "Learn to English more gooder.")
This was so amazing, I actually got goosebumps. Well done!
would be nice to see the rest of this presentation.
Its all on youtube, instead of commenting just look for it...
@@ClosedEyeVisualisations Maybe posting a link to said videos would be helpful
maybe visit it, you fat fuck
@@Greylin91 rude for no good reason. Go away
@@thebobbicus you might seen it , watching that your comment is from a couple of years by now, but if not i suggest you those conferences by Irving Finkel ,this one is a very interesting one based on the book he wrote about Noahs Ark : ua-cam.com/video/s_fkpZSnz2I/v-deo.html or this other one about the Library of Nineveh : ua-cam.com/video/Ls9JkxFEB9g/v-deo.html , there is another one about ancient games : ua-cam.com/video/3wQqxUXAz68/v-deo.html or this one wich i really enjoyed a lot, if you havent seen any i suggest you to start with that one, interesting and funny at the same time: ua-cam.com/video/LHKsMRbBQswi/v-deo.htmls or this one that i havent watch yet, im gonna watch it today : ua-cam.com/video/WrMpoqyhXvo/v-deo.html , there is one about the first Ghost Stories: ua-cam.com/video/zNNaZ110ee4/v-deo.html and sure there are more videos from him in the net that you can find, have a good day and i hope this comment has been of any help for you.
More Babylonian history please!
Irving Finkel is my hero
60 is an inheritance from babylonian times, unbelievable
Waaahhh, he can do a tranquil soothing voice over! Wunderful! Great!
I ❤️ this guy!!! You go Irving!!
Interesting man and channel.
As a Church Minister - I found this helpful especially since I'm preaching through the book of Daniel on the Lord's day mornings in our church.
Thank you.
This guy is always great!
I wish there were a longer version of this.
Who would have thougth he would be able to speak so calm like this.
I desire 1 week vacation with Irving on subjects if my choosing.
Aww!
it's weird hearing him speak so calmly and formally. I'm so used to his newer more charismatic persona from Curators Corner and that video where he plays an ancient Sumerian boardgame with another UA-cam personality
thanks for the clocks Babylonians
You Welcome.
The reconstruction of the Ishtar gate presented in the beginning of this video is to be found in Berlin's Pergamon Museum. As soon as I learned about its existence in one of the countless popular science publications I've been reading avidly since my early childhood (owed to my literature and various world mythologies-loving sister, I learned to read at the age of 3 or 4). I was so taken by the sheer splendor of this structure that emanated even just from a magazine photo, I managed to save up enough money to travel to Berlin first and foremost (as significant and wondrous other attractions and historical monuments of that splendid city are) to witness its greatness in person and with my own eyes in the Summer of 2012. This was my first travel to Germany, but starting from that journey, I kept coming back to that country, wondering about other of its great cities, wanting to experience more and more of its culture and hertitage. In 2017 I eventually decided to take the great step of moving to Germany permanently and settle in Düsseldorf, which I found close to my heart for many more reasons I won't dwell on here and now.
What I'm trying to say here, is that I owe the Ishtar Gate the great and wonderful change of my fate and my current life, and the happiness and retreat from the sadness and misery of my life I lived in the country I was fated to be born in and that caused me nothing but disappointment and pain, which name I'd rather not mention here.
Thank you, Ishtar and your glorious monument.
I love this man the grand dad we all want
I've always always ALWAYS wondered why we broke our time up into 60s instead of 10s! Eureka!
60 also has the advantage of being divisible by 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, so in many situations you can easily divide it into even parts. It's also divisible by 10, 12, 15, 20, and 30.
Now you can have that piece of pie.
But why did THEY select 60? We can guess at reasons, but I don't think we really know. (Yes, it has multiple divisors, but we don't know if that is WHY they used 60)
[Maybe they had 60 fingers? 😉]
@@stan.rarick8556 We barbarians count with our fingers, they counted with the phalanges (finger bones) of their fingers, twelve on each hand. The thumb was used as the index, like we use our index finger to count (hence the word). So why sixty? 60 divided by 12 is 5, the number of your digits on each hand. Neat, eh?
So in ancient Babylonia "see you in 5" meant "see you in 1 hour" ;-)
@@stan.rarick8556 fingers have 3 bits so count on one hand using a thumb as a pointer and you get to 12 then count groups of 12 with the five fingers of your other hand and that is 60. the highest you get with fingers.
Babylonian Death Cults were intetesting and important to learn about too - not to be repeated.
This guy, He's my favorite guy!
Irving, I'm late to the game, but you're my man, you're such a mensh, God bless you.
Hi Mr Finkel it's me again. I didn't go to the doctor's.
I've noticed something again.
The Sumerian World Map.
I've just discovered that it aligns with the Antarctic as it's centre using a 17th century French map.
I'm on Facebook were you can see the images.
Strange but other images pop out from the Sumerian World Map stone artifact.
Someone sitting at a wheel and someone on a chariot and a strange looking wee guy with wings ?
Anyways back to the hauntings from our ancent ancestors wanting their story told.
Smashing.
Yours
Peter Forbes.
So soft spoken .......lol
I like it.
Irving Finkel like Babylonia is simply superb
Dr Finkel is a great teacher. I wonder if he has ever thought of writing a broad popular history of the culture, mythology, society and mental landscape of the Babylonians (or the Mesopotamians in general)?
I cant help but look at cuneiform and see similarities between the evolution of some characters (old Babylonian - Assyrian - new Babylonian) to ancient Chinese and Japanese characters. Is there a connection or influence, or just a common way that people evolved with writing. (There are some people in Japan who firmly believe the Persians once ruled the southern islands, or at least inhabited the region)
@Jakub Bończak Yes, moreso the Ryukyu Islands, which were not really part of Japan until more recent times. Shared more commonalities with Taiwan, and acted as a trading hub within Aisa and other cultures. There are beliefs within Shikoku region of people from middle eastern areas migrating to the area a long time ago and this is somewhat suggested in folklore, customs and architecture. Lets face it, Japan is never going to say it decended from any other culture than,,,Japan.
When you play civ 5 once
I would love to sit in on his lectures anthropology or theology.🤔
New info .. thanks
So the Babylonians had people scamming other people with Horoscopes just like we do. Amazing.
lol!!
"and the thinkers and the writers and the poets and the mathematicians of that ancient culture"
Telecaste 10 th August, 2010.
UA-cam recommends 10 years later in 2019,12th October.
Why so early utube?
Google was waiting for us to be intellectually mature...
Incredible. What a culture.
Mr Finklel i'm glad to have met you and to The British Museum.
The last couple of years i have took the time to look at ancient artefacts in general from all around the world.
I've been thinking about some of the things I've noticed or i should say shown by ? someone or many someone's guiding me.
i know this sounds crazy, but why pick a dumb-ass like me, who has been, if anything, nothing but a failure.
what is it they want me to say ?
i think they want their story told, about who they were, the things they done, and the part they played when it all ended
they want their place in time and their accounts in history. Not markers or places named after them were the fell.
Nut's, yeah ?
Sorry Mr Finkel if it was to be anyone in this world that could help them they should have chosen you.
maybe i need to go see a doctor.
thanks for teaching me cuneiform.
something special about you.
yours
peter
A base 60 number system is a phenominally useful number base! (The rest of this comment is just singing the praises of managable anti-primes.)
Our baee 10 system gets complicated very quickly. How many meters are in a third of a kilometer? Already there are fractions or infinitely repeating decimals. And thirds are a tremendously common calculation. And then fourths are a lesser but still significant problem, adding up to two decimal places when you divide an integer by four.
Base 60 handles all the fractions that base 10 handles halves and fifths just as well as base 10, plus handles thirds, fourths, sixths, and eighths just as easily as halves! You have to go all the way to sevenths to run into the first fractional complication. And dividing into sevenths is far rarer than dividing them into thirds.
Sure, we could use some larger number like 420ths to be able to handle sevenths just as easily. And I expect at least one community would be stoked to try a base 420 number system. But there can be too much of that. The larger the number base, the more unique kinds of digits you have to have to express each digit. We might disagree about whether 10 digits is plenty or if 30 or 60 (maybe with some pattern to make them easier to learn) might be preferable, but I think we all agree that 420 digits is too many.
There are some other advantages of our decimal system over a base-30 or base-60 system, and it's very much impractical and not worth the effort to change our system now. But if our system happened to have developed historically into a base 30 or 60 system instead of a base 10 system, I'd be just a little pleased. Mostly because of thirds.
Team Irving!
Did anyone elses video abruptly stop at 3:18?
Titi is quite interesting how nebuchadnezzar from the bible is still hold significance till this day. It is also interesting to find that babylonians share similarities in terms of advicement in art mathematics poetry and arts. But it seems that babylonians were probably far more advanced using athe mathematical fomular 60 instead of present day were use 10.
When someone has something worthwhile to tell us, please play music over his narration so that we bloody well can’t hear what he says.
2:11 - At first I was afraid! I was petrified!
No one will ever know as much as this man.
Irf, you always dismiss the sanskriet text they had the sossa too but used the zero. Lingam yoni meaning 1 and 0. Astronomical Unit and more. And furthermore how come the vedas describe the asura which is egypt and mesoptamia. And why does sanskrt and and babylonian relate so much. Let me know when you do a show about the excavation of gilgamesh.
Egyptians also had the nearly identical Zodiac, predating Babylon.
You can see it in some temples, most specifically the ceiling Zodiac in Dendera.
The Dendera zodiac was on the ceiling of a late Graeco-Roman temple and has been dated to 50 - 52 BC. A French antique dealer had it removed in 1821 and it is now in the Louvre, in Paris.
It is my understanding that the Greek Zodiac grew out of the Babylonian "Furrow of Heaven," or as some called it, "the Circle of the Signs." With the "Furrow of Heaven" being the pathway of the Moon and the Zodiac being the pathway of the Sun.
There are Ice Age paintings of Taurus in French caves. No, I don't just mean a bull: the Pleiades are also present. This means at least one of the signs of the zodiac is much, much older than Babylon, or indeed any city anywhere.
Here is a link: news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/871930.stm.
Is the Baylonian language the same as or simillar to Sumerian and Assyrian or completely different?
Babylonian and Assyrian are not languages but states centered on the cities of Babylon and Assur. They spoke Akkadian. Sumerian was only a priestly language at this stage, the Sumerian civilisation was long gone at this stage.
Early in the video he talks about 60 base staying with us "somehow". But if you look closer you will notice that 10 base doesn't work well with spheres and circles.
Ever study the process to make a circle in either dynamic? You should... :D
3.1415......
The ancient Hindus were also astronomers, astrologists and very sophisticated thinkers.
Isn't Sanskrit the oldest language? Anyone here know?
@OceanSwimmer
Much older. As old as Sumerian.
What universities specialise in ancient Babylon?
Any of them with history degrees where you can choose your specialist subject
Any where the teachers tend to Babylon😉
Jane Doe Good Juan !
Time on your watch is base 6- it lasted so long because in many ways it's easier than base 10. In our system 1/3 * 3 has two answers and that's messy. The Babylonians avoided this by using 6 instead. Very clever.
Omg he sounds so young... and did his accent shift?
Interesting
Divination on gall bladders, how primitive. But I suppose you can't expect much from a civilization that didn't have tea leaves.
cant find the rest of it
Ok, who made Irving take a bunch of tranquilizers before making this video?
Highly Esteemed British Museum! Highly Honorable Mister Finkel!
I have a question to ask, actually, two questions:
1. As it is known Jacob married Leah and Rachel. The marriage did take place at the territory of Ashur (Assyria). Is it known according to which tradition the marriage procedure did take place? Were there the witnesses who were signing the marriage contract, along with Jacob - Leah and Jacob - Rachel? And, thus, becoming the proprietors / co owners of the marriage contract and the ensuing merger of wealth. In effect conducting / realizing potentially the control of this property. Are there any historical records on who those witnesses were? Is it possible that those witnesses were Laban and / or Beor (Peor). Was Balaam born already at that time. Was he (could he be) the witness at those marriage rituals??? If these were the instances of de facto, - could it be (the aspiration and asserting - maintaining the control of the Jewish wealth by the Laban progeny) the source of the modern times anti Semitism???
2. In time of yore were there ever times, when there was the voluntary - Good Will confederation (or the united state) between Shimron - Samaria (Northern Kingdom) and Ashur (Assyria)? Please, confirm.
...the 2 hidden repeating infinite patterns (of 60 & 24) inside the Golden Proportion (Phi) as manifested through the Fibonacci Series (when placed on the circumference of a circle) seems to be analogous to our concept of the clock & time. the ancient were fluent in math. i wonder if there is any evidence in the tablets of them "learning' the sexagesimal system directly FROM 'nature' in this same way? or any evidence where they DID first learn about the concepts of time in base 60 seconds minutes 24 hours ?
spacecreatorband I’m sure the Babylonians were aware of the sequence. Sadly we haven’t discovered any tablets that they did. I remain hopeful since they just found the tablet that explains fractions much better than the Greek models we’ve used for 2,100 years
..."by the rivers of Babylon"...
If the concept of time today is based on the ancient Babylonian mathematical system of 60. Minute, Houre. And the year is based on 4 seasons in which each season is 4 months long and the cycle of rejuvenation begins in April, and April 1st is the begining of the new year which the Babylonians celebrated why is it that today we celebrate the new year in January 1st which it does not make any sense, should the year not start in April?
My guess would be that it's because of the Romans and the god Janus (after whom January is named) having two faces, which lends itself to the idea of reflection and anticipation. Having said that, I've heard that at one point in Rome, March was the first month of the year.
where is the rest?
Mesopotamia gave us the Zodiac constellations. The Sun signs are different because the constellations are uneven in length, but the sun signs are all 30 degrees.
I'm not so sure about the origin of the Zodiac, as the traditional "familiar astrological "signs" appear to be centred around Ethiopia rather than Mesopotamia. People can check use for themselves using Stellarium or similar astronomy program and get views from around a year. Other cultures also have different ideas of astrology.
Bring back French Decimal Time!!
Are you sure the ancient Babylonians came up with 60 time not the ancient Assyrians
I always thought that cuneiform was a Sumerian invention/development first, not from Babylon.
Beards are unsanitary , normal things like a sneeze, a cough, or blowing ones nose rapidly become a disgusting mess. Taking a meal means smearing in bits of food every time you wipe your mouth with a napkin. I tried to grow a beard. At first it was attractive and fun. Later it became infested with "stuff." Shampooing it everyday only lasted until that first sneeze. Beards are extremely unsanitary.
they are disgusting
Is it not also proven that a full beard acts as a sort of filter to keep airborne bacteria from reaching the mouth and nose?
Babylonian beards, however, were incredible.
Thought it was the Chaldeans with their 360 degree circle that gave us the system of 60s
Same people.
They are Assyrians and Babylonians.
@@syriaassyria1503 Only Babylonian.
Proud of my culture !! Thank you 😊
A most interesting avatar (fox prose).
So you're babylonian ?
Nice loud music. Ow wait....did he say something???
Do we know where Babylon got those ideas? Astrology/astronomy in some form seems much older than Babylon.
They are older than Babylon but part of the same culture. Cities and scholars in Iraq - the originators of cuneiform writing and base-60 numerals - go back thousands of years before the tablets Irving Finkel showed here.
@@umacf24 You've got to draw lines around cultures somewhere or there's no such thing.
Do you know who the Babylonians got their ideas from?
@@bozo5632 It's often called Babylonian, but Mesopotamian might be nearer the mark. The original cities of Eridu, Ur Uruk, Lagash, the Sumerian language, and development of cuneiform writing later used for Akkadian language, the cults of Ianna & Tammuz, all absolutely continuous into the territories ruled and tributary to Babylon.
As to who gave them the ideas, I think they were clever administrators and agricultural astronomers facing many challenges and they made up these tools themselves. We invent stuff, why wouldn't they?
The 10-6 place numerals are on tablets from Uruk dated to the end of the fourth millennium BC, so over 5000 years old. But don't listen to me when the Wikipedia article is excellent.
You can tell that they were sensible and practical because the tablet I'm looking at addresses recipes for beer. You can tell they were the inventors because there's definite historical development and the schemes are really tangled and complicated.
@@umacf24 I mostly meant their astronomy. Is the origin known?
@@bozo5632 With clear skies and no light pollution, astronomy is pretty much inescapable. It's been discovered time and again. The ecliptic as the path of the moon and the planets is even more conspicuous in Iraq than it is here. Polaris is the obvious axis of the dome. The moon, worshipped as Inanna, gives the seven days of the week, the solstices and equinoxes anchor the agricultural year. Honestly, astronomy is hard to miss.
That's me.
If I'm 60 years old does that make me Babylonian?
Too short video. 😢😢😢
Only ten year's ago 🕸
Sir
Would you agree that the Babylonian numerals for 666 look very modern - like a rocket?
First 11, one position to the left, < |
Then behind that, but smaller than I can show here:
III
III
Top and base of a rocket ...
"behind" = to the right
When did anyone translate Babylonian? What do those writings say? Why won't anyone tell us?
😍
W.O.W.
The bbc needs to send Irvin to the middle east to check out some sites and cities.
Y E S !
I absolutely hate how they never talk about the use of drugs such as opium which was a huge factor in historic "arts"
Well why should he talk about it? It has nothing to do with this videos topic.
lol. it has EVERYTHINNGGG to do with this video, and thousands of others.
Source?