MIKE MENTZER DID NOT BUILD ALL HIS SIZE WITH VOLUME TRAINING
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- Опубліковано 31 бер 2024
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One of the most common misrepresentations about Mike Mentzer is that he built all of his size with volume training, but then, for some reason, recommended that people train with low volume and high intensity. The pro volume people allege that he did this solely as a means of making money. Nothing could be further from the truth.
In this video, I examine the actual history of how Mike trained and built his muscle mass. As a point of fact, Mike had been training in a low set, high-intensity fashion ever since he got his first set of weights. There was a brief interlude from 1967 to 1971, in which he trained with high volume. Thereafter, he switched back to a high-intensity, low volume routine, and gained 50% more muscle than he did with volume training. Also included is audio from Mike Mentzer explaining how he changed his training recommendations for trainees during the 1990s after discovering how demanding high-intensity training really is and how everybody has a different genetically determined tolerance for training, with some requiring much less than others.
And by the way, Mike’s first ad for his Heavy Duty training courses didn’t come out until April 1977, many years after he had been training in this fashion.
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That is what so many don't understand about Mentzer's philosophy is that it was an evolution. The end recommendations were the result of training normal gym goers not on steroids. The critics don't like the idea they are more than likely average and not genetic outliers.
Yeah I've tried all workouts & steve reeves/colbert/mentzer routines seem bettter. But I have received decent gains doing higher volume with frequency but also very intense, but the gains quickly stop after a while. Possibly the shock of higher volume can trigger some sort of growth. The fact is until I trained super intense, negatives, forced reps, dropsets, nucleus overload (sometimes) maybe was doing too much intensity with too much volume, but it did work. But atm I'm doing less than 3-5 (working sets) for each muscle & focusing on intensity, fullbody/upper workouts 3x a week intensity. Will try it for a month & check results.
Been pretty annoyed with results of training naturally over a decade tbh & sometimes it just makes you wanna give up and quit
Very true. Thanks for your post.
@@ExclusiveINFO1conmigo sucedió lo mismo así que estoy optando por entrenar 3 veces por semana repartiendo lo máximo en los días los grupos musculares, 1 pecho/espalda, 2 piernas, 3brazos y vuelta a empezar
All I can say is that I am so happy I stumbled upon Mike Mentzer and Tom Platz.
I had been making slow progress as I started the gym by following a coach. But then after 6 months I stumbled upon Mike and decided to try it out. I remember being in disbelief but somehow decided to try. Just did what he said to do in the book, trying to go from 7 to 10 reps and increasing weight whenever I could do 10 reps.
And holy smoked I gained strength and size in that month.
Then a competitive amateur coach told me I wasn’t doing anything right so we did measurements and the gains were there. I don’t rememeber exactly but it was significantly higher than what I had gained in the previous 6 months.
Then I hit it off with another coach who didn’t get what I was doing and just told me to cut body fat and to trust him which I was reluctant to do as he told me to do 2 sets of 18 with the same weight and working my way up to 18 again on the second set. And that proved to be disappointing as I had barely gained half of the size of the previous months in terms of pure muscle mass.
So I just felt like just going full arnold doing many sets for a few months just to work hard after work. And to my surprise I hadn’t gained anything.
So as Dorian puts it, it there’s no progress qfter q lonth, switch things up so I did. And I reexamined the results from the bodymeasurements I took where I gained half as much and realised something crazy: my coach misread the results. I had actually gained 1.4kg in my chest back and arms but lost on my legs for some reason. So obviously the total was below 1.4kg. But my legs were quite strong at that point anyways so it didn’t really matter.
So fast forward a month later, I was doing these shorter workouts where I did 2 sets, first to 18 not to failure then second set where reaching 15 was very heavy and my goal was to work my ass up to 18 each time i went and i did. Results came in also at 1kg of muscle mass built !!!
And now I’m back to just progressively overloading the more traditional mike way, 1 set to warm up if I need it depending on the exercise and chronological order and just try to outdo myself with reps each time and wow. The gains are coming in, with to the point nutrition, so that colleagues are making comments about it, friends who’ve been working out with no plan for year became jealous (no lie).
Only difference with mike maybe unfundamentally is the rep range. I don’t like the higher reps but I been keeping it higher for the last 2 months because I don’t like it. Been a heavy smoker so it literally makes me disgusted of cigarettes as the effort requirement is much more for me and psychologically it’s a challenger. But the gains are coming in. Maybe a little easier to progress as going from 8 reps to 10 takes long than going from 18 to 20. But still.
Will be switching that up at some point in the coming weeks. But I like the idea that gold is where the reps are as Tom Platz said. Liking that challenge until I switch back to lower reps.
In any case, whoever criticises Mike, that’s their business. If they want to do 4-7 sets per muscle group and most likely see no results, they can go ahead.
I for one have to say, I am happy that I got Mike suggested to me 7 months ago. It propelled me to another level. And the coach who told me to trust him, he was so freaking spot on it’s insane.
In gains we trust !
All the best on your journey dear reader
Edit: also been working out a lot from home with my bench, push up grip and dumb bells so I had to be a bit more open minded about the rep range. On a cut now too so it doesn’t matter too too much to build anymore although I might build some still as my caloric intake is good enough for me to progress each time I come back. Just go to the gym for my back workout.
@@vladbsr8739 Could you answer a question for me friend?
When you say 18 repetitions and in the second series you reach 18, do you mean that it is with a high weight to reach failure at 18 repetitions?
and then with that same weight try another series up to 18 repetitions???
And one more question, for example 2 sets of bench press? Or how many different exercises per muscle group to do?
mike understood the more is not the better
I have been bodybuilding since 1972, have trained on every system myself, and trained thousands of individuals over the years. The conclusion I came to decades ago was that Mike Mentzer was the only one who got it right. I have also noticed that everyone who knocks H.I.T. never fully understood the principles or used them correctly in their training. I'm retired now and no longer care about how other people train so don't bother arguing with me as I don't want to waste my time. I'm just giving out free advice this one time....if you want to make your best gains then buy Mentzer's H.I.T. book and read it cover to cover at least 2 or 3 times, then apply those training protocols EXACTLY as he recommends. Deviating from even the smallest details will water down the results you get. H.I.T. is by far the most productive training you can do, and especially if you don't want to use steroids. Do NOT be influenced by some champion's training today who is genetically blessed and taking a truckload of drugs as his routine is NOT going to work for you.
Thanks for your post.
This is really great comment! I am going to buy the book.
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Incredible video. I'm so glad you took the time to put this together chronologically to show the truth. Too many people are just not grasping the truth of High Intensity Training Principles. I myself have put on over 15 lbs. of lean mass in 18 months at 42 years old.
Thank you for putting these gems of wisdom together John!
Greetings from the Netherlands
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you for this videos. I get so much helpful information 💪🏼
This is a perfect explaination of Mikes training philosophies .John you are 💯% correct. This is exactly the routine I saw Mike employing when i joined the Spartan gym in 74.. he blew up like a monster..I took one look at him and I went all in on the 3x a week full body workouts. Having average genetics and being natty I found out real quick I just could not sustain it. Therefore I adjusted down to split routines and made much better progress..
Hi Mike. Thank you for your input; always good to get validation from the man who was there!👍
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE
Sure John, really enjoyed this clip..
I myself was a higher volume guy for year's and now at 57yrs young I switched to Mentzer training split 2 days a week 2 hours a week total and 30-40 minute brisk walks on off days each morning and my strength alone has improved big time from the recovery days off of lifting,im natural and just lift to stay healthy as I age but surely this type training has made the difference with stamina and strength no question,, if anyone dont think it works try it you will be amazed and break the plateau,this one gentleman I met in gym around same age as myself trained everyday and now he decided to try Mentzer style and he came to me after 2 weeks and thanked me for advising him of this style being he feels better and stronger.
Thanks for your post!
Been doing this 8 months and made a huge difference exactly
I'm 50. Train and run everyday. Eat 400g protein a day. Fill calories with carbs and some fats.
Don't take stims, which wear on the CNS.
When I lower protein I notice a significant reduction in recovery.
@@morelife6508 400 gram a day. Your organs don't like that and I speak from experience.
Congratulations! This is an inspiration for all of us who just fifty and have been training the "traditional" way. I used to powerlift and always stayed heavy, but recently I have also switched to HIT. My body seems to be responding well to it! Thanks for sharing your story, and stay healthy!
Thanks for the video and careful exposition of ideas! Your dedication to Mentzer's legacy and friendship is inspiring beyond the world of fitness.
Thanks for your kind words and for your post.
Great information and a great breakdown of his different training types
The biggest thing I notice about his physique is the shoulder development and chest fullness and really completed his build.
Fantastic! Something I have defended for 45 years. I'm glad you spelt it out, piece by piece.
You're welcome. Thanks for your post.
Thanks for this upload!
You're welcome.
I love your channel, got off of trt 9 months ago and switched to MM training protocols. Bained about 30 percent more strength. It just works and it is so damn time effective. Even of it wasnt better but even just 80 percent as good, it still is more efficient.
Thanks for all the content John
You're welcome. Thanks for your post.
Well put together video John as usual 👍 Many years later I’m still intrigued by the Man.
Thanks for the kind words, and I’m glad you enjoyed the video.
Beautiful video.
Happy with the results I'm getting. The principles deliver...
Are we going to have more of your narrations over these videos, John? 😃
This was fantastic!
Thanks for the kind words. Probably, if there is a topic that I don't have Mike audio speaking on. He wrote a lot, but recorded very little.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE your voice is great for these types of videos.
@@Lonewolf__666 💯
Thanks.
indeed, truly great voice for these videos
Excellent! Thank you.
This was awesome, thank you John 🙏
No worries; thanks for your post.
I do some of the things he talks about. I work out every three or four days at target muscle and work till failure. I keep getting bigger so his method is working fantastically. I don’t do everything he does I go by feel when I feel my muscle stop growing I work out again and it does take about three or four days. God keeps on blessing me and I just keep on accepting it.
One aspect he didnt have the time to go in is how producing intensity is a skill that can be learn separately from HIT.
I learned it in boxing with very light weight training where we would go far beyond the pain, which was actually harder than hit training.
I think that my great results with hit come from that, i have less psychological barrier.
Psychological barrier is the reason why, it's true, many ppl dont get results with hit. Mentzer wrote on this subject but just a few lines.
7:18 where is this video footage from where can I watch ??
Finally someone focuses on training for those NOT on steroids. I found myself training this style for the vast majority of my years and have made bounds beyond that of every other natural I know. I just really read about Mike these last few years; he was right.
Good one John. Thanks for this. Excellent clarification
Thank you.
Hi John, for my back day, will I be fine switching underhand pull down to a little wider overhand, reason being is I want to get better at doing pull ups over handed and eventually doing muscle ups so doing overhand will benefit me more. Will this be an issue?
Also on my arm day I’m only doing straight bar bicep curls, should I superset with underhand pull down like how Mike wants you to do on back day?
Thank you a lot!
If you want to get better at doing pull-ups over handed, the best thing to do is to practice doing those rather than trying to adapt different exercises in a manner that resembles it. The neuromuscular training is very specific for pull-ups, and requires performing that specific exercise in order to improve at it. Perhaps on your back day, you could do negative only chins utilizing the grip you have indicated. This will work a lot of the same muscles but, with a pronated grip, you won’t have the same strength as you would, if it was an underhand grip.
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGE thank you a lot!
John, do you have the tape recorded with Mike and Ray at the gym?
Is this an audiotape you are referring to? If so, no, I have not heard it.
This is so weird because in my early 20’s even around 17/20 I used to do high reps! So this is the best way of training? As I have struggled to get to the size (physique) that I used to be but this is because I have been doing conventional training 3x10/12 sets and reps.
It’s more beneficial to do high intensity such as 3 sets 3 exercises per muscle group but what 20/30 reps low to moderate weight 3 times a week?
When I was younger, I was way more ignorant than i am now. I always thought it was better if I did more out of...ego and just plain stupidity. I am now trying sir Mike Mentzers ways.
I wish i could of met mike before his death 😭
I've tried every workout there is, been training for over a decade
Tried all from split routines, full body, upper lower, push pull, low volume, high volume, high reps, low reps, nucleus overload
Most have produced very minimal gains. Made some decent gains doing Greg Plitt workouts but custom, rather than a generic split, Monday - Chest, Tuesday Arms, (Wednesday) chest again or break, Thursday arms again, friday fullbody
Then went back to other workouts and didn't seem to get much from it, but been stagnant.
Been now doing 3x intense workouts, lower sets etc, mentzer style before I return to the Plitt custom style routine. Trained for over a decade and made 0 gains for years doing generic split routine & even fullbody produced barely anything
Once I trained more intense to failure & supersets, forced negatives etc, it definitely produced somewhat of some results but they not been very good
Honestly sometimes feel like quitting. Still stuck at 70KG at 6FT with an athletic build, smallish arms only 15 inch at best, lean, but still people talk me down & call me skinny.
Natural training with not good bodybuilding genetics are not ideal.
Will try this sort of lower volume approach for longer as it's one of the workouts I haven't done for too long, but as dorian says if you don't make gains after a month, same workout will not produce anything else.
Social media has really destroyed expectations & realism, anyway been depressed from false info from the magazines and from arnold, as I went years without progress training like them
There is so much info out there it's just confusing, can't imagine starting out now, don't let the demons tell you to quit they do it to me daily !
Sorry to hear about your struggles - I'm curious what your diet is like. You don't have to pound 5000 calories per day, but if you're not getting enough protein and carbs, you're not going to grow.
Sadly, I think the lack of results is genetics and the lack of gear.
@@bookskamaki8-18 ?
When I started training at age 17yrs I was 6' 3" and only 68kg. Within 3 years of natural training people were asking did I compete in bodybuilding competition's. The key was FOOD FOOD FOOD. It wasn't until I got up to around 5000 quality calories a day that I saw results. No protein shakes, no supplements, no pre / post workout drinks...just basic food from the grocery store.
I did 3 x 45 minute workouts a week. However, I spent probably approximately 30hrs a week preparing and eating food. Trainings the easy part. Eating enough quality food is the challenge especially if you're tall and struggle to put weight on. When I started training, a friend of mine who stood at 6' 4" also started training (we didn't train together) after 15yrs he had got no progress whatsoever. He out of the blue asked could he train with me after getting no results in 15yrs. I said only if you eat as I suggest. Cut a long story short... in the 14 weeks he trained with me he got far better results than in the previous 15yrs. People were actually coming up to him and mentioning the size he'd put on. After just over 3 month's he said that he couldn't keep up with all the eating that was required and reverted back to his old habits of volume training and not consuming enough quality calories. The gains he got quickly vanished. Like me, he has now been training exactly 35yrs, having started training in the summer of 1989. He has no muscle gains whatsoever for his 35 years training. Even now being tall I'm still on almost 5000 calories a day.
If you're natural you are relying entirely on food, training and rest. You need all 3 absolutely spot on. I have always had at least as many days entirely out of the gym than in it.
Oh and one more thing...a lot of literature regarding natural bodybuilding suggests you need to train bodyparts multiple times a week and to concentrate on the 3 big lifts. This is something I didnt find to be true. There is too much contradictory information out there nowadays. It's actually quite simple... you need to train hard enough to stimulate muscle growth, then you need to eat and rest enough for that muscle growth to take place. There is absolutely nothing more involved in building muscle. If you are not getting results then one or more of those 3 things are not being taken care of. Even with relatively poor muscle building genetics, you can still build a good physique where its obvious to anyone looking at you that you workout. The good thing about being skinny to start with is that every pound of muscle you put on shows.
Quick example..I have just finished my last meal of the day..
Protein for the day -
24 egg whites/6 yolks 2 x omelettes over 2 meals
8oz salmon
16oz chicken breast over 2 meals
8oz turkey breast
6oz sardines.
Carbohydrates -
300g oats
300g rice
750g sweet potato
4 slices wholemeal toast
I have always had eggs..never relied or trusted any powders in a plastic tub. Always put the effort in separating the whites from the yolks and cooking everything, not blending food for convenience.
When I first started training just one meal would take well over an hour of chewing. Used to go to bed with cramp in my jaws through the hours of chewing. However, after a while those same meals go down much quicker. For example my breakfast for the past 35yrs consists of 12 egg whites, 3 yolks on 4 slices wholemeal toast, and 150g oats cooked as porridge with honey and 1 banana. Over 1200 calories eaten in 5 minutes. When I first started training this meal took 1hr 20 minutes. Used to lie down on the floor sweating in agony😂
I bet you’re in great shape. Get your blood levels checked. Especially your T3. I’m also 6ft but am around 105KG. I was always a hard gainer and tend to run high T3 levels which eats through muscle as well as fat. Your body wants to maintain homeostasis. What you have to do is optimize protein synthesis by eating protein every 2 hrs (i find shakes work just fine) pound the shakes and BCAA’s/Glutamine/Creatine. At the end of the day though, I didn’t get above 200lbs lean until I added in some hormonal assistance. I love to train. I was tired of getting sick all the time from just training hard, and as i got into my mid-thirties my recovery ability started taking a major hit. I take 250mg of Test C every 5 days, 50mg primo/50mg masteron EOD, 25mg’s proviron as needed, and 20mg’s Anavar pre-workout, as well as 4iu’s of GH before bed. Sounds like a lot I know, but it is optimal for me. I feel great, I can workout how I want to, and my recovery ability is vastly improved.
In his first fullbody 3 x week routine, were all 3 sets taken to failure?
I love Mike, and he's my favorite historical bodybuilder, next to John Grimek. But I think Mike's amazing physique is due to his genetics and gear usage. It's too bad to me how he never produced a successor disciple that had the impressive look and trained his method, especially naturally. I'm just an armchair fan, but this is my observation.
Does Dorian Yates ring a bell?
@@Darth_Serpentor He's the only one, and was influenced by HIT. But he didn't follow it exactly.
There are plenty of natural trainees that have built incredibly impressive physiques using Mike’s principles. Some have their own UA-cam channels. If this is of interest to you, you may wish to do some research on the Internet. Certainly genetics and steroids contributed to Mike’s development, but they likewise contributed to the development of every top level professional bodybuilder in the world. That is a variable that is a constant. What is not a constant is the various approaches to training that these bodybuilders employ. High intensity training is excellent for natural trainees, as it pays attention to two factors, volume and frequency, which are very important for natural bodybuilders who are looking to gain muscle.
Dorian Yates, 6 times Mr. Olympia & the first mass monster, has stated publicly many times that he trained using Mentzer's H.I.T. principles from day one. Dorian said that he merely upped the number of exercises a bit for a competitive bodybuilder on steroids but he was still doing just one heavy set to failure after one or two warm-up sets. Dorian used a split routine over 4 x 45 minute workouts per week, training each body-part just once per week. Even Dorian's limited volume would be w-a-a-a-a-y too much for the average natural trainer who needs much less work to recover properly.
@@ASTRUM502 he is the only you need. Dorian said many times that he was not the most gifted genetically, but his different style and work ethic set him apart.
Very interesting video. Think only once or twice i tried to train twice a day. Was just tired absolutely waste of time. Not talking about a small body part but Arnold type training. Think my friend and i just gave up that type of mega volume
Hi ! I don't know what you think about Casey viator say that he stop HIT and train volume and not to failure for his Olympia preparation ?
I tried every kind of training rly high volume rly low ... I saw that high volume made me bigger when I continue to train everyday due to some kind of sore muscles being bigger now I'm more into a 3 to 4 training a week short heavy and controlled I got bigger and Enjoy life more xD
I'm still on Mentzer training now . Started about 4 months ago. I feel and see shapes on my muscles i never seen before 😅 i feel harder and my muscles feel like they don't flat down when I'm off the gym. But its not easy to do this workout i suffer at the gym . My heart is pounding , im shaking and it hurts for 2 days😅 so don't forget people its only one set but you have to puch way harder then the pain mental and physical 💪🙏
Important to note that by his own words, his whole body routine in the late 70s 3x per week averaged 90-120 total sets to failure per week, and his 2 way split 60-90 total sets to failure per week. The lowest he ever went to, again by his own description was about 16-20 sets to failure every 2 days, or just over 60 per week. He hinted that he might have done better taking 2 days off after each workout which would have been 40-45. I would not call 60 sets to failure a low volume weekly workload.
When the norm for bodybuilding at the time was 200+sets to cover each body part, and typically each body part was worked twice a week, that comes out to 400+ sets per week. This was by the standards of the time volume training. By contrast, and on that spectrum, 40 to 45 sets per week was quite low. As was Mike’s 2 to 6 sets per muscle group versus the 20+ sets that were typically performed as part of most competitive bodybuilders’ workout routines But even then, as Mike stated, despite being the arch-advocate of lesser training, which he most certainly was, he was still overtraining. Context in this matter is important here; our 2024 standards of low volume training are 1-2 sets per muscle group performed once or twice a week. This is a completely different species of exercise as compared with what the volume measurements were in the late 1970s.
Hopefully this gets a lot of view. I debated so many people saying that Mike never trained what he preached. Thanks John.
No worries; thanks for your post.
The only problem i have with this is the inclusion of childhood weight gain, although he obviously made good gains we simply can't know how much of that weight he would have put on with zero training, i would assume that he also gained height in that period as well.
True. However, if you are attempting to look at the gains he made since he started training, you have to include these gains as that is when he, in fact, started training. Clearly, such gains were exceptional, given that most of us who start training at 12 years of age, don't gain 70 pounds by the time we reach the age of 15. It also speaks to the fact that Mike didn't make "all of his gains" from volume training and must be taken into account in the timeline.
I tend to disagree, sure Mike made a 70lbs gain during his initial training however his body was developing. I believe you need to compare his adult years when he was already developed with his steroid cycle being a constant variable. He spent 4 years on volume and 6 years on high intensity with both averaging 5lbs per years. I'm not saying one training style is superior to the other but I think this video may be a little misleading
With respect, I think you’ve missed the point of the video. He trained the majority of his life, quite clearly, with a low set, low frequency protocol - he did not make all of his gains from high-volume training, as has been alleged by some. Also, if the gains during his first three years of training can be summarily dismissed as simply a result of the normal growth process, and that training his muscles during this period had little to do with his weight gain, then every 12-year-old who begins lifting weights would gain 70 pounds by the time they are 15, simply as part of the same growth process. Undoubtedly, prepubescent growth played a factor, but it was by no means the whole picture. Moreover, it is important to recognize that Mike had stopped making gains (completely) with high-volume training. It was only when he switched to high intensity training that he started to gain more muscle - for the next six years. He was using steroids during both his high volume and his later high intensity stage. That variable remained constant.
Thank you for your insights John as I do enjoy your videos. Do you think switching up his training protocols from low-to high-to low volume played a role in how Mike's body adapted from one protocol to the next as our bodies biologically engineered to adapt to stimulus' over time?
@@moister_oyster You raise an interesting point. I have no doubt that was certainly a factor, but it would only be a factor (I suspect) during the first month or two following the switch. As Mike indicated in another video on this channel "Continuing to perform tasks or lift weights that are already well within our existing capabilities will do little if anything to stimulate progress. Muscular growth you must realize is a defense against the stress of intense muscular effort. And muscular growth will cease when the effort you are generating in your workouts is no longer intense enough to threaten the body sufficiently to cause it to defend itself." I think it was Mike's better understanding of this, combined with increasing his rest days (later on) that resulted in his continued success with High-Intensity Training. But even then, your point applies, as a change (even slight: adding forced reps, rest-pause, etc.) represents a novel stimulus.
Steroids. Recovery is much faster. Thats why these guys can workout 6 days a week. If u r not taking steroids and have a physically demandaing job u should only work out 3 days a week. If u sit on your ass all day, 3 to 4 days a week. U grow in recovery not while u r working out. The cut comes from dieting. I religiously did 4 sets to failure for a max of 12 sets (2 to 3 exercises) for each body part. Calisthenics - 6 sets for. each body part.
its not a common misrepresentation at all! almost everyone who knows bodybuilding knows that Mike Mentzer built almost NONE of his size with volume training. it was all by short, intense, less frequent workouts.
I should qualify that statement. It’s a common misrepresentation amongst his detractors.
Hi John, what happened with Mike in 1972/73?
He separated his shoulder when training high volume style. It caused him to stay out of the gym for the better part of three years (late 1971-1974).
@@HEAVYDUTYCOLLEGEThank you very much for your response, another VERY IMPORTANT variable when training is the HIT cadence, which Dorian did not respect (he admitted it himself)
Mike was the MASTER. It’s better to train even 2-3 days per week progressively than 5-6 days a week half ass!
You neglected to address the steroid issue when presenting your data. From 1963-1966 when Mike added 70 pounds to his frame, it is unlikely that Mike was taking steroids, yet he had his greatest muscle gains. From 1974-1980, when Mike was using some form of Heavy Duty, and he gained 30 pounds, Mike was taking steroids. Its hard to compare apples to apples (early years gains vs. later years gains) when you do not factor-in the impact of steroids, which are powerful recovery enhancers. Even with Mike's Heavy Duty logic, which I admire and believe is well-founded, its quite likely that Mike's muscular gains from 1974-1980 would have been substantially less had he been a natural bodybuilder, since the nature of his workouts were so intense that without steroids he would never have been able to recover the way he did with them. This is not to take away from Mike's innovations re: Heavy Duty, but just to say that its about time that people begin to evaluate all of this information in a transparent way, taking into account all the factors that influence the results. The fact is, that most pro bodybuilders would not approach the look they achieved without steroids, regardless of the training methods they used. That doesn't mean one training method might not be more rooted in logic than another....it just means that our evaluation of training techniques is tainted unless the elephant in the room is discussed and factored-in. There's a reason naturals look like naturals, and pros look like pros, and it has as much or more to do with enhancing drugs as it does whether you do 3 sets per bodypart vs. 6.
When he started high volume he had started steroids which should be his greatest gain in muscle mass but it was it wasn’t his greatest gain was when he started training 2-4 times a week
I did address the steroid issue. It is mentioned in the video. The interesting thing is that the steroid variable remained constant from when he started high volume training (and didn’t gain all that much), right through until his final days of competition in which he used exclusively high intensity, and didn’t train all that much.
Beginer lifting ganes are always the fastest ganes
He maintained his ganes with high intensity training ?
He didn’t just maintain his gains he gained even more with high intensity training.
The thing you leave out is Mike's health between 79-80 when he made thos gains. Days he was at deaths door (in his words).
Mike’s health was fine in 1979 and 1980. What you are referencing is the dramatic energy deficit he experienced by dropping his calories down to 500 a day in an effort to get ripped for the 1980 Mr. Olympia. And even during such times, he still gained more mass training with high intensity methods than he did with volume training - which is what this video is about.
Just eat sensibly and enjoy any kind of training that you do and get out more, dont just be a gym, workout, nutrition bore, at the end of the day we all metathorically end up 6 feet under anyway
About time a classic rebuttal - to some total BS that is being spewed. By people who are too lazy to looking into the facts!
Does it matter?! You can build muscle with high, medium or low volume.
Yes it matters, and no you can't unless you are a beginner.
@@jacobm92 even Mentzer gained 20lb of muscle with high volume training - watch the video.
@@User107D Nobodys denying that you can make gains with higher volume as a beginner, but as time goes on your progress will stagnate. even if you do continue to gain with high volume, you will always be fatigued and your muscle growth will not be optimal.
Yes but the speed of gains matters and it differs.
It’s amazing how there is no mention about steroids. It’s obvious this guy was juiced up to his eyeballs.
It’s amazing that you comment on a video without watching it. Mike’s steroid use is indicated in the video.