We're SICK of talking about Newcastle United power battle - but it's here to STAY
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
- Liam and Jordan discuss the power dynamic at Newcastle United after comments from Eddie Howe and Paul Mitchell.
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It’s not necessarily what he said but how he said it. Clearly, Mitchell felt as though he was being blamed for the poor recruitment and sales context of the summer window, that’s why he spoke out as he did. However, he lacked tact and diplomacy and, in trying to protect himself, threw others under the bus - you don’t do that as the newbie through the door whether you come with a great reputation or not.
The pre match conference is ridiculous as hardly any of the questions were about the Wolves game. Certain journalists were trying to get Eddie to say something that would cause trouble within the club, luckily Eddie dodged it. It wasn't Jordan, but it was 3 others who finished the conference. Hope they are not trying to cause the problem so they can write about it.
Totally agree with your take on Mitchell's statement Liam, we should be looking further afield to avoid the England tax. Don't think Mitchell was criticising previous signings.
Am getting tired of talk about power struggle etc I think some journalists and especially youtubers are just prolonging a non story
everything Mitchell said seemed to make sense, no drama as far as I'm concerned but the media are making a big deal out of everything trying to get a story. 'Nickson isn't happy with powers but is willing to stay' - that's a non story, deal with it mate, you're head scout and you had a few extra powers cos we've been with our a D of F, if he's willing to stay then it means nowt, crack on. I think Mitchell needs to take responsibility to a degree for the window but it's over now, lets move on.
Agree. - L
It's nuance, but I think some have got the wrong end of the stick. - L
@@dddgtsd from what I understand clubs spend 12 months preparing for a summer transfer window- it's crazy to expect Mitchell to work magic when he joined mid-july and we had just avoided a PSR disaster.
I watch the press conferences on UA-cam- where journalists can really earn their corn now is in helping fans understand how a football club works.
Every single company on the planet has power plays every single day of the week.
If people start stirring at the water cooler they usually end up getting a reputation as being toxic.
Journalists have to tread a fine line between reporting and stirring the pot.
Craig hope seems to be 💩stirring all the time,looking for issues that dont exist. We need to stop all the negative stuff and pull together.
Just because he is not saying what you want him to say it doesn't mean he's wrong. It's obvious there is a problem with howe and Mitchel
Yet another howe cultists,craig has attended more newcastle games than most supporters, he is well connected as to what goes on,he is,nt as so called fan tuber who spew out bias and are up howes backside.
@@TyneBridge90 it's nowt to do with him not saying what we want to hear, it's clear as day he's spinning the facts to create an unsettling narrative, saying things like "civil war" between Howe & MItchell
@@TyneBridge90 says you? Wheres the evidence?
@@LaurenceGill-l4p im not an eddie howe superfan neither, i think he will bugger off to england at the drop of a hat
Surely fit for purpose wasn’t a dig at existing players but the scouting network has to be widened to find more good priced gem?
exactly, can't be a dig at the players cos he wants to find more like bruno and botman - as opposed to wasting time on one player in the prem for 65m.
Agree.
- J
Spot on, like you said both Mitchell and Howe can be correct. They bought well but didn't sell well or enough.
On the money! - L
Great video again lads ! You said at the end " we hope the microphone has been ok" It's picked up every bliddy sound in benton ! Birds tweeting, dogs barking. babies crying, helicopters and police cars 😂
by the way, Eddie Howe to be history at this club before October kicks in
😂 apologies!
- J
😂@@GeordieJournos
Excellent summary as ever lads. Some of what Mitchell said was correct but it was such a haphazard way to go about it putting it out there. Should of been a conversation behind close doors. All it's done is created more unrest on what was a strange summer. We should be focusing on climbing up the league and European qualification but Mitchell has has got us taking about the split between him and Howe. Wouldn't be Newcastle if we didn't have a drama or shoot ourselves in the foot
Too true! - L
It was a behind closed doors conversation- he's just been burned - craig Hope will be covering leicester again
Diplomacy isn't Mitchell's strong point and its put Eddie's nose out of joint with the good signings he's helped bring in.Staveley more a people person and easier to deal with for Eddie. Dont know who to bring in if it goes wrong but would rather have Eddie still here than Mitchell.
Keep reporting lads, keep making the UA-cam content. I would rather you told it as you see it.
Thanks! That’s all we try and do. We’re fans, as well as journalists.
- J
That wasn’t Paul Mitchel crying in the background was it?
Maybe 😅
Thanks for the update lads.
It seems like Wilson looks for reasons not to play.
You are right about the manager and sporting director...they are excellent choices and need to make it work.
I am sure that the two of them will sort it out and will be able to work together going forward. The January window is going to be very interesting.
You need to understand there are 3 workflows here.
1) get the first 11 up to speed so it can make more money from TV games and finishing position in the league. That creates the fastest revenue
2) Build a youth squad that can filter into the main squad, and bolster the revenue generation and the playing squad.
3) get the players in the youth squad into good loans where they are actually being used.
Comparing us to Liverpool is not helpful. We have the infrastructure right now of Brentford but we aren’t near London.
We have ambitions of top 4 but we are still fur coat and no knickers and that’s going to take the 1st 3 years of PSR purchases to get point 1 solved out of our books.
Then good scouting. Mitchell is right we need to improve, but so does everyone every year. This is poor leadership on his front, he carries the can whether he likes it or not he needs to show leadership and strategy. The. He needs to creat plans and workflows to deliver this. He then needs to carry everyone along with that. So far he’s just bitched on
I agree with all of that.
yup, the finishing 4th thing as amazing as it was, has giving people such false expectations - we have a poor standard academy, a thin squad, and low revenue - such a long journey these days to get to the level of the top teams. Not being a downer just like you aren't, but some fans just need to chill and enjoy the fact we have a competent manager and owners who at least WANT to spend and grow
@@dddgtsd that’s exactly it, our best saleable youth products of the last 3 years are Bobby Clark who we got £1mil for and ask for 0 on the sell on, Anderson and Minteh. Miley is great but injured so even if we wanted to sell him we couldn’t. The other brothers are just coming through.
You can’t sell what people don’t want.
Context keeps being removed and the job is to ensure that context is still relevant until it’s not. That’s going to be 4 or 5 years post takeover thanks to PSR as that’s just time. Time is needed to remove the spending of staying up. Then building the squad.
Very good comment, agree with it all.
@@dddgtsd I agree. Mitchell was being disingenuous when he compared us to Liverpool. Like the other top clubs,they have been investing in their squad strategically for years. For 15 years we had no strategic plan and were only interested in PL survival for the media money and free advertising. They have £30, 40, 50 million players who they have replaced with better ones. We don’t.
When you look at the facts we need a different recruitment strategy. Every team around us is unearthing overseas talent, like we used to, at a fraction of the cost and selling for big profit- we spent 70m on two young players he hardly used.
We did what we had to do and made some great signings too.
But how come we only got 25m for ASM? Minteh is the only bit of good selling we've done. Forrest got a great deal for Chris Wood and Anderson - we've been chumps selling.
There are problems and Howe is as much to blame as Mitchell for the communication and red flags.
Howe hardly gave Mitchell a warm welcome.
My bigger concern are the performances and I can't help but think the summer has disengaged Gordon and Eddie has his eyes on England.
Another great watch fellas 🙌🏻⚫️⚪️
I have a theory…. Dan Ashworth couldn’t work with Eddie and looked for a way out… but on top of that Ashworth spoke with Dougie Freedman and convinced him that he’d be better staying at Palace.
Get a grip 😂
you like to assume things mate
@@TyneBridge90 that’s why it’s a theory. Do you think it’s wrong then?
it does seem there is at least some truth that Ashworth and Howe didn't exactly get on, must be difficult someone coming in and telling you what the team's philosophy will be and transfer strategy etc, makes sense to get a D of F first then get a manager. But I think Ashworth went cos he foresaw the issues with PSR and Man Utd with their revenue offered him a lot more opportunities to do what he does. As much as we love the Toon and hate Man Utd, to a neutral it is a much bigger project currently without a doubt.
Interesting theory. - L
mitchell has probably come in and thought we can't have just have one target and especially at that price so didn't really try and sign guehi. i honestly can't see how that one player was going to improve us, is he a better passer or defender than schar? they need to work together and we need multiple options when we go into transfer windows and we don't need to be paying massive money for one player. hopefully we get it right
Longstaff and Joelinton are the pressing triggers for teams. Not as press resistant as Tonali and Bruno. You can also have successful turnovers by pressing Murphy and a few others.
PSR changes next year , it’s not the 3 year rolling thing anymore, it’s the squad costs v turnover …which to be fair is probably tighter
@dayde aye, it's not a positive change. - L
Liam your view on what Mitchell said about “fit for purpose” is absolutely bang on!!! 👍👍👍 Craig Hope please take note of an actual journalist reporting the facts. Well done Liam m8…..
I was under the impression that the champions league money and the Adidas money would make a difference to ffp but that doesn't get mentioned anymore...strange!!!
CL was on last year's accounts. Just makes you wonder what the hole would've been with out. Adidas isn't a flat fee, I don't think, so interesting to see how that impacts fresh accounts. - L
Love the show lads but disagree with the transfer policy chat as too many contradictions. Our main issue is other clubs are selling young potential because their academies have had good investment over the years and ours has produced Anderson / Longstaff and Miley of any kind of quality. Who else we going to sign? You can’t complain about spending big on superstars (Tonali / Guehi) but then also complain we’re buying young and not ready. Our transfer business strike rate has been unbelievable so far. Mitchell has a big rep and promise but until he has results at Newcastle no one cares what he thinks of the past deals that actually got us in a cup final and the champions league!
Mistakes made last summer and in policy in general. Not contradictions, just different points. We don't set the policy. - L
If Eddie walked I guarantee a player revolt and you can say goodbye to any contract extensions
It was a bit disingenuous of a certain journo to put that quote to Eddie about the transfer setup being "not fit for purpose"... IIRC the quote was related to the scouting system and the way we only ended up pursuing a couple of targets in the summer, it was nothing to do with the quality of players we have signed since the takeover which was how Eddie took it
Seems to be a bit of conflating re that quote. - L
I am amazed Eales doesn’t come in for more flack. His lads act with a pint in hand leading chants is conduct unbecoming of a CEO. He is responsible for managing his management team. If they a squabbling, he needs to sort it out.
Why is it that Liverpool get players like Chiesa for 15 million and we are always paying at least treble that for players of less potential
Guys how can you agree when Mitchell said "not fit for purpose"???? The clubs recruitment has been brilliant since Howe arrived. Mitchell needs to focus on buying a few Minteh players. Dan could do it so the system WAS fit for purpose.
We never said the recruitment wasn’t good. There’s no denying NUFC have signed very good players but a £60m PSR black hole tells you it needs re-think.
- J
Rest assured lads I always want to know whats going on good or bad. Just keep giving us the full facts where you can and if people aren't grown up enough to deal with facts then that's on them not you
Thank you - we will.
- J
Totally agree with you lads just got back from holiday and sick of hearing about it. Eales need to lead and as you say crack heads together and not play it out in media! Yes mistakes have been made and will be in future the important thing is to learn from them and ensure they don’t happen again 👍
Darren Eales is to blame as much as Mitchell. Glad you always tell the truth and ignore the twitter brigade. I would rather have Eddie Howe than a sporting director. Also bumped into Dwight Gayle at local hotel last night, takes you back.
Agree re Eales. - L
Isak Bottoman Bruno not English .. I think The not fit for purpose is more to do with we need to be selling and buying 5 to 10 young ones every season Like Chealsea and Man City . But think about the last 15 years under Ashley we have nothing to sell. It was important to get the squad up to scratch now we need 20 young ones to develop and flog
Have to buy and sell to achieve anything because its the only way to move forward in this psr era
I agree with your take that his comments concerns finding young talent then bringing them into the squad or moving them on at a profit. Rather than paying top $ for the likes of Guehi or Elanga.
I agree.
- J
Good pod lads. Liam, you were in the dark bush mate 😅
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I read all the Mitchell interviews have to say depending which journalists u read it was muddled as Chris Waugh said.
I did feel Mitchell blamed Eddie yet he was dealing with it yet I’m told it was our Chairman who pulled out of the deal.
I’m sorry Eddie has my full support as Martin O’Neil said on talksport Eddie should have final say on players he coaches them and he should not have to be told how to coach them .
Also I thought in his contract it said he had final say so he should have been consulted.
Eddie is right should be a Collaboration between Mitchell and Eddie is it wrong Eddie has more than enough credit in the bank seems he has been disrespected from the top I find that shocking.
He coaches players no player should be pushed on him he really cares about our club is that so wrong.
If Eddie left huge mistake would knock us further back players who run through brick walls for him will leave.
I back Eddie Darren Eales started this he needs to sort it out now.Eddie I Trust.
Tonali, Botman, Bruno and Isak were not English, PL proven players but Eddie must have wanted them. So either Eddie has changed his tune or Mitchell didn't have any players in his sights that Eddie thought were good enough. I still can't understand why we didn't gamble on Chiesa instead of Osula. Why not get both? Less than £30million for those two would have been great business.
Wages a huge difference. Osula is a Howe project. - L
@@GeordieJournos Aye, good point. 👍
I think Sandro is going to be the player that’s the most valuable to the club so it’s Bruno Gordon Isak and tonali , are squad players aren’t up to the standards that the to 6 has , as much as I agree with Eddie they buy well but it’s cost us last year as we didn’t have the quality in the depth and injury showed that up , look at Chelsea their squad players can play first team and rotate, are squad player aren’t good enough, Sandro is world class he’s just hasn’t showed it at Newcastle, but it’s coming, the only way we make top 4 is with a better squad , we didn’t need a cb with Guehi when are RW was shocking, when we had Schar , I believe Mitchell it wasn’t fit for purpose, if minteh hadn’t of been great we would of had to sell a top player , so be bought Sandro and they knew we would of had to sell to get the money
I look forward to seeing it from Sandro. - L
We've had a really positive start to the season taking 7 points from a possible 9 with some huge yet winnable games right around the corner yet the focus is on rehashing the past! The summer window has gone, nobody can do anything about it now so we should be looking forward. Eddie came across quite jovial in his presser actually despite some journos stirring the pot using language like 'Civil War'...The season has just started, we've made a really good start but that kid of language spreads negativity throughout the club. Let's just see how Eddie and Mitchell work together because they've just begun their partnership which I'm sure has had some teething problems to begin with like in many clubs I imagine, but I got a strong sense from Eddie that he really just wants to talk about the upcoming football now which is the right thing to do. I'm trying to get up for the Wolves game in two days time but everywhere you look its all 'Howe & Mitchell' this 'Howe & Mitchell' that and I'm bloody sick of it....lets focus on the football FFS!
Fair point, well made. - L
Tonali has to start. Does Longstaff deserve to be dropped, no. However, Tonali is the better player and now (Forest / Italy etc.) deserves to start. You play your best players when you can. Harsh on Longy yes but not top manager keeps Longy in team instead of Tonali right now.
The club's success should be the only priority. As you both say, Mitchell and Howe are both right, and they have the potential to be a great partnership. I can't help but feel that the media is trying to turn sparks into a clickfire. They’re a bit like a toxic friend. I’m not mad at that; we all can pick our friends. For me, this has the hallmarks of ambition and potential coming together. This project is different and bigger than what any of these individuals has previously managed. There are going to be growing pains. I feel that Stavely may have played the part of conduit and negotiator, which helped keep things in balance. If there are tensions at the club, I suggest Michell and Howe watch Al Pacino’s speech in Any Given Sunday 😁 Let’s stay United but keep each other accountable.
The Staveley touch has been an undoubted miss. She was part of the problem and the solution at the same time. - L
I got briefly excited for the random bush pod! 😅
#didnt
Got a bit ruff on 7mins!
Mitchell likes them wider than Howe.
People want to remember where Newcastle were 3 year ago . People want to get a grip and back whats going on
Knew there'd be one 😂
You going be saying that in ten years ?? 🤣 howay man
People like you need to get a grip, wake up and deal with the here and now. How long you going to keep banging the Ashley drum? Have an opinion on what's going on now or don't, but don't use Ashley as a stick to beat people with that do have an opinion. Living in the past to excuse everything that's happening now is sad and pathetic.
You don't paper over cracks with blind faith. Or keep setting your standards by your past, if it falls way below your future. - L
@@GeordieJournos correct liam, too many happy clappers just willing to settle for being also rans!!
It’s an interesting view of things. Is Eddie Howe the problem.. is anyone going to be able to work with him?
Everyone needs to give a little. - L
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That was some opening lads 😂
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this is the only time that I fear for the project the future of the club and eddie howe being at newcastle in the short and long term as i truly believe there are big problems between eddie and paul and Eddie's press conference basically papers over the cracks if amanda and merhdad was still at the club I'd be more comfortable and I truly believe come January eddie will either be England's next manager or at another premierleague club either by getting sacked not for results but the relationship with paul or physically walking away
I don't fear it. But something has to give. - L
Rambling on like a couple of old ‘Spoons’ soaks in Wallsend Park, but I really enjoyed that! 😂
Not sure if that’s a compliment 😂
- J
Sick of talking about it yet using it in the title to get more clicks - which is all the other media outlets are doing too. I get it, you're a relatively small page with actual good content and you're just playing the game.
This whole power struggle thing bores me to death tbh, people digging out Howe in the summer over transfers now everyone has turned on Mitchell. Who knows what goes on but if the owners were really willing to just splash daft cash we would have had players brought in, at the end of the day PSR is an issue, Howe has high standards for character in his signings (surely a good thing) and Mitchell joined pretty late in the summer and had to restart all the work Ashworth did. It's clear there'd be teething issues so as fans I think we should just relax and put it behind us.
I think the mainstream media want Howe to go cos theres no real stories elsewhere and they'll push for him to get the England job. I don't think he's even that interested in it though.
This is a press conference summary same as every Friday. We talk about what was discussed in the presser. It sets our Friday agenda. Nothing g new. - L
These numptys just need to do their jobs for the better of our club,,,,,, Newcastle united
Hall is massively over priced, not a player I'd have in starting 11.
Stop talking about it then, and concentrate on players and up coming matches. You are sowing discontent when we need to hear positivity, so please please move on. I switched off after less than 4 minutes!
👉🏻👂🏻👂🏻👈🏻 put your fingers in your ears and it will go away
Friday is press conference reaction. The agenda is set by questions asked and Howe answers. Hope that explains the nature of today's vid. - L
The country is in a mess partly due to political parties not working together and individuals want ing power- this tears them apart - NUFC seem to be making it a fashion - if not sorted one way or another it will tear apart the club and fan base
Is it Wilson’s body letting him down or his heart
I'll go with body. - L
@@GeordieJournos I’ll go with both
Howe is being a bit touchy, Mitchell maybe didn’t phrase his comments perfectly but the criticism of the previous business is evidently true on the basis of the PSR situation on June 30th. That obviously wasn’t Howe’s ‘fault’ but needs to be better going forward. To improve the side without stretching into points deduction territory we need to buy a significant proportion of players from outside the Prem and move players on in the 28-30 age range whilst they still have value. Howe needs to grasp that the era of the do everything manager is over.
It really is. - L
Paul Mitchell done his interview which some state that he was candid but I think he could and should have kept things back and you lads said you would keep things back but then you had Craig Hope definitely not doing that which has stirred the pot.
Did Mitchell do this to stamp his authority? Looks that way, but was it really necessary? Not sure?
Then we had the speculation by stating we didn't have a process, which isn't necessarily true with our previous signings that have been canny belter.
Why we pursued Guehi after Crystal Palace went public to probably start a bidding war and Parrish was extracting the urine and trying to pull wor pants doon because he kept putting up the price because they didn't need to sell really.
Eddie stated he was more hands off and Mitchell wasn't in long, but who's job is it to negotiate?
Does Mitchell want to sign players without Eddie getting the final say?
It's all question marks, and is it reet Darren Eales doesn't say nowt aboot this?
Let's see how it gans and if they get on alreet Eddie can dee his job with the team and Paul hopefully proves his worth?
Eales needs to earn his corn now. - L
How do you sell players when know one wants!
Work harder. - L
Lads stop feeding the fire. Do not be daft. Do not be like the rest of your colleagues, some of whom are sickening. We would always back the manager over the clowns that just walked into the club. What are your goals? I would understand it, if it came from the those down south, or the mackems like Taylor but the rest of you need to stop. We are sick of all those who are trying to destabilise our club. Do not be part of the problem.
It's a press conference review. It was a major talking point. - L
lol @ 31 mins, Cops coming to arrest you for the criminal opinion Longstaff should be in before Tonali
We didn't say that! - L
It would be horrendous pr for the club if yet another director of football walks away.
100%. - L
Would u not consider dropping burn for schar krafu had pull burn out the crap a few times against spurs
Burn has been excellent bar that own goal vs Spurs imo.
- J
@@GeordieJournos totally agree but so has krafu shame for drop any but fabs has to start
Joe linton is shocking at scoring goals as much as he’s a beast and controls the midfield when he’s on his day , but his ability to score goals is shocking and that can’t be good going forward,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. - L
wtf...if u dont think tonali should start then fkn quit liam
If your sick of hearing it then stop asking questions about it . I think personally the way all these journalists carried on throughout the summer and now is a disgrace. Let Eddie concentrate on the football and the journalists need to stop creating a negativity around the club.
Journalists don't create negativity, more react to it. And no one on here asked Eddie about it. - L
@@GeordieJournos hmm Louise?
Getting worried about you two and them "Random Bushes" 😂🤣😂🤣
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- J
Dear all,
Canny video as always👍
Regards,
Many, many thanks. - L
Aye, we're sick of hearing about it, so stop going on about it.
Let sleeping dogs lie.
Also, stop going on about stuff that you can not tell us about.
Why even mention that?
Friday is press conference day review. That sets agenda. And Mitchell was on the agenda. Simple as that. - L
@GeordieJournos You said you're sick of talking about it, so stop talking about it. Mitchell was on the agenda because that's what the press want to talk about. Here's a shock for you, the fans don't want to hear about it.
@@andyh8095 andy, you're not getting this. The presser sets the agenda. Jordan didn't ask Eddie about Mitchell. He doesn't control what others ask. - L
@GeordieJournos I do get it. I know who asked the questions, I've seen the press conference. You could have bi-passed the Mitchell saga simply by saying that you're not going over it, although it was mentioned. It didn't dominate the press conference, yet you make it the main event on your thumbnail.
I've watched yours and Hope's account of the event, but i have avoided anyone else who leads with the Mitchell situation. I believe they are professional enough to move on.
@GeordieJournos Thanks for responding by the way. It's good to be able to discuss this with you.
Guys you need to take off your Bruno blinkers and get real. You look at the second half against Spurs - he was awful.
bruno is our worst midfielder this season...take the captaincy off him asap
He hasn’t been at his best this season but his defensive work vs Southampton and Spurs was excellent.
- J
Howe needs to get onboard quickly or this will only end one way…. Paul Mitchell is the sporting director now and not Amanda Staverly… The sooner he realises that the better it’ll be for everyone….
I think he is on board, I think most managers don't necessarily like they have an extra guy above them but also they are a necessary evil cos managers cant scout players all week. I think it'll be fine, media are just stirring it up.
Both are very, very good at their jobs. If they can find a middle ground then NUFC could be a deadly force!
- J
@@GeordieJournos Agreed… Mitchell holds the power though….. Howe’s the coach but Mitchell is the DIRECTOR…. IMO this is the first time Eddie will actually be in charge of a “big” club… Previously he’s done an amazing job with Bournemouth and when he came into Newcastle it was like a 100 year start up per Darren Eales… Now it’s a full on big deal and if I’m honest it might be too much for him…. Hopefully I’m wrong but if this is to succeed Eddie needs to change….
hahaha random bush banter...she,ll kna..
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Were sick of people talking about it. Its a non issue so stop talking about it. Just trying to find any drama possible is everything wrong with the world right now. Unfollowed
It's a press conference review on a Friday. The presser sets the agenda. Surely you know this by now? - L
Time to banish Craig Hope from press conferences. It’s been mentioned to eales and Jamie several times about banning him. He’s sooo toxic. Klopp banned reporters who caused trouble and it worked. Time for our club to do the same.
sounds a bit like cancel culture. Just because he is not saying what you want him to say it doesn't mean he's wrong. It's obvious there is a problem with howe and Mitchel
@@TyneBridge90 I can’t stand cancel culture, this is far from that, this is a journalist that tries to stirr trouble to get a headline. Cancel culture is cancelling someone for something they have said which has caused offence in a politically correct world. Causing trouble constantly and being banned for it is not cancel culture.
Won't happen. Bans aren't the way forward for anyone, club see that, too. - L