The Queen Who Died To Give Birth To A Prince | Jane Seymour | Henry VIII's Third Wife
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Not very much is known about Jane Seymour, and yet she was the most successful, in many ways, of Henry VIII's wives. She stayed queen - admittedly only for less than two years, thanks to her untimely death - gave Henry the prince he wanted, reinstated Mary to her father's favour, and raised her own family's status. This video looks at the surprisingly steely, sharp woman beneath history's stereotype of the victimised, submissive woman Jane is often painted as, and how she contributed to her own position...
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Henry reminding Jane of what had happened to the previous queen who meddled in his affairs is an admission that he knew Anne was innocent of the charges against her.
I'm surprised he didn't throw in catherine of aragon.
That as well as never disowning Elizabeth.
@@user-fg9xz4bz3bProb because she had family in powerful places, and killing her would be an invitation for Spain and the Empire to go to war with him. Also, I think he respected her more.
@@kunya16 He disowned Elizabeth though. From 1536 till 1543 (I think it was 1543 when he passed the Act of Succession but it could be 1544, I can’t remember) she wasn’t in the line of succession, she was declared a bastard after her mother died and was never re legitimised despite being added to the Succession after Edward and Mary
Ah yes, Jane Seymour. The Queen, who gave birth to the golden Prince and then had the decency and intelligence to die before Henry, would've inevitably outgrew her. It's harsh but true.
This is definitely Jane Seymour in a nutshell!
Hate to say it but that's so true.
I wonder if jane had a disappointed love story before henry like anne boleyn did with Percy.
@@leeannproctor2966 It was rumored that Jane and William Dormer, the son of Sir Robert and Lady Dormer. They were in love. But It came to a heartbreaking end. Ironically, William's mother canceled their engagement because she thought Jane wasn’t noble enough
He says she was the woman he actually, really loved. However, Anna is who everyone else said he looked most happy with until his head injury. He'd have tired of Jane sooner or later. Unless she kept popping out sons until she outlived him.
The fact that Henry was ready to execute his daughter for treason when she crossed him but would lavish her with gifts when she groveled is such a clear look into his character as a man and his ego’s fragility.
A true narcissistic parent! Smh. 🤦🏽♀️
Why is being a virtuous woman considered trickery or seduction to marriage? Wouldn't you refuse a married man? What is disgusting is the she was betrothed to him the day after Anne's death.
Yes she’s what my late grandmother used a sneaky snake. 😊
Agreed! It disgusts me personally when I had married, younger, divorced, polygamist guys or worse perverts hit on me. Moreover, my parents even tried the same trick as Catherine of Aragon did and set me up with younger guys than myself, but I knew that I wanted only one genuine/biological, never-married, unmarried, never had any children, loving, and faithful older man to marry for the rest of my life. In spite of waiting for 27 years, temptations, even sexual assault by depraved perverts who tried to rape me, and my own parents and others shaming and mocking me for refusing them all - I finally found that man in my husband. I’ll never forget my Dad’s words prior “If you ever find a man you want and who wants some woman like you, I will eat my hat”. Well, my husband and I are on our fourth wedding anniversary now and my parents reluctantly admitted their error. It’s a shame none of these women had the resilience and determination as I did and their tragedy is a terrible warning and life lesson for other single women to avoid the same traps they did.
How on earth do you mentally and emotionally assent to get engaged to a man who had his wife murdered publicly the day before and then get married a few days after that? Jane is always portrayed as such a meek, mild, gentle soul who wouldn’t say boo to a ghost, but to be willing to get engaged and married with such callous and indecent haste shows that Jane was willing to do anything to marry Henry and elevate her family.
This is absolutely why I don't hold that view of her, as you say! She was as manipulative as Anne Boleyn, but knew how to hide it better, I think.
She, like Anne Boleyn was a woman in a man's word. Political matches made by their fathers so, the family could ride on their coattails to gain power, wealth, titles, etc, etc..
My own feeling is that once Henry set his lustful eye upon a woman [girl], there was nothing that would stop him from getting her. No one was going to truthfully stand up to him and say "no," so any woman [girl] that was caught in that trap went along with it. What could she really do?
Even Anne sent back Henry's gifts a number of times... but that made him want her more. She wouldn't settle to be a mistress after what he did to her sister, but she gambled with bigger stakes... and in the end, she lost her head. Jane [Anne's cousin] learned from her mistakes and went along, married, and gave him a son.....Then promptly died before he could tire if her. What if he had made her pregnant again, and it was a girl...he might have given up on her then and moved on to another girl/woman.
Henry was very fickle, but to him, he could be because he was KING.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople she must have been quite intelligent and with a steely inner personality, willing to play the long game of appearing a meek tudor rose when she was really even more ambitious and cruel than Anne, she stepped on Anne's warm corpse to get Henry with disregard, something that not even Anne in her prime had dared to do, the tudor world was morbidly cruel
@@HistorysForgottenPeople 💯 Jane was vile
The other wives were cast away by Henry but Jane " left' him. That probably bothered him.
Im not condoning Anne Boleyn’s actions against Catherine however it takes a particularly vile person to walk over the remains of your executed rival after stealing her man.
Henry made the decision about the engagement and wedding.
which is why I believe Jane dying before being crowned as queen, and dying in such a painful way+Henry losing his only pleasant (in his eyes) wife so early, is the price both of them paid
Yes you are right ,she was vile like her father who seduced his son and heir s first wife when she was in her teens and as a result she was put aside sent to a nunnery and her sons bastardized that was Jane Seymour she walked over the headless corpse of another woman marrying Henry ten days later but I'm glad she scarcely enjoyed her marriage her crown and the prince because she died 12 days after giving birth to her boy and for all that her restless soul roams through Hampton Court s corridors dressed in a white long sleeping shirt with a lighted candle w looking for peace and eternal rest for all the evil deeds she did like her former rival Anne
Wonderful video on Jane Seymour. The best one I've seen on her so far. Love how beautiful, well documented and impeccably narrated your presentations are. High quality work. Thank you so much 🙏🏻💕
Thank you so much! 😊 I was a little worried it wouldn't be as interesting as the videos for some of the other wives, but the nuances of Jane are actually really interesting to dig down into.
Does Jane's brothers have any living descendants?
Wonder what history would be like if her son lived long enough to father children.
this video proved so many points which I wasn't sure were right, but I am now.
everyone says Jane Seymour was the only wife he really loved and kept her memory alive and...but I kinda see things differently. since we all know the kind of type Henry VIII had on appearance of women, he couldn't exactly get attracted to Jane normally (I can swear that every other wife of him, were much more attractive than Jane) but at that time, and since with the fall out he had with Anne, Jane was like exactly what he needed at the time. an obedient quite and gentle woman who's on facial features was the opposite of Anne. and we all know how even after Anne's execution, how much Henry tried to erase her and didn't let anything remind him of her (for whatever reason) so psychologically, of course in that time, Jane was his best choice. but as you point out, all of those fiery passion he had for her, were gone after their marriage was consummated. and afterwards, he didn't let Jane even slightest interference, we can say he didn't even allow her to speak, and acted that much controlling towards her once she was pregnant, didn't even crown her as queen! although it's true that he did mourn for her, but let's not forget that she was the only wife who had given him a son and died before she could annoy him, and we in short amount of time, saw that she also had potential to push him away. and I like to think that mourning deeply part and wanting to be buried beside her and all the affection he had, were mostly because of finally having an heir thanks to her, or the guilt he felt about the way he treated her, or because he thought he was getting punished by losing her, because of what he did to Catherine and Anne and his two other daughters. but as I said, before I'm certain that Jane wasn't his greatest love. since he started losing it after he was separated from Catherine and literally killed a part of himself by doing that.
I agree with you, I think - as you say - it was a physical attraction for many of Henry's wives, but Jane probably wasn't. (Although, I suppose we don't know!) With Jane it definitely seems to have been more of a love based on her personality.
If henry knew Jane's only child would die at 15 and leave no heirs she wouldn't be so cherished.
Wish I knew what jane really looked like.
@@leeannproctor2966 There's her portrait which shows her as a total bland plain face and the descriptions of Spanish ambassador, suits that portrait perfectly
@@leeannproctor2966I wish they would exhume the graves of all that they can exhume , in particular Anne and George Boleyn, take pictures of all the skulls and then use those computer generated programs that reconstruction faces. I would love to know what all the Tudors, all of the other famous royalty looks, and other people who were executed and buried at the Tower. Only sad that nothing much less is left of Catherine Parr or Catherine Howard’s bodies. I would really want to know what Elizabeth I looked like.
It makes me sad that women were treated so poorly. Look what we had to deal with to Bring kids into the world during this time. It was literally risking our lives. In men treat us like what we mean. Nothing
The woman who died doing her job well that her family rode her coattails to gain power within the Tudor Court.
I gotta say though that her “virtue” sounds a lot like bs lol. Not saying she was screwing around with men in her adolescence; but she saw what Anne did and did it as well
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@@DarthDread-oh2ne Hello again :) no, I haven’t yet, sorry, but I’ll try to do so tomorrow!!
YES. I'm not sure if it came across well in the video, but I definitely think Jane knew what she was doing! 😆 I get the very general feeling, based purely on her actions and what other people wrote about her, that Jane was very good at observing and seeing how others interacted.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople haha dw, it did. I think so too, even though I like her more, she wasn’t, in my view, completely innocent
I've never heard before now that henry adored his mother especially since he treated women poorly.
Is this poor woman the Root of the "Plain Jane" saying???
That is a good question!
I don't think so. There are several possible explanations for the origin of the term, but no one knows what is correct.
I'm not sure! It sort of came to me when doing the script, but I'm not sure we know the exact root of it.
Interesting 👍👍🙏👵🇦🇺
So in essence, Ann Boleyn was Icarus who flew too close to the sun and got burned to a crisp!
Jane was low key obsessed with Anne...
I think you might be right!
Agreed! 💯
Ummm no
Jane, the golden cow who delivered a viable male.
Henry already fat by the time of Jane's death?
I wonder if Jane's spirit regrets marrying that pig.
Why would you refer to Jane as a cow ?
Women in those days didn't have the power they have these days... but deserved so much honor IF they were virtuous, moral, and well mannered.
Hi. Awesome live history video on Jane Seymour i enjoyed it. How are you and Mallard your cat doing? I'm doing well. My cat Benjamin is doing well also. How is the weather where you are? The weather in Ontario Canada is spring like weather. Have a great day see you next video 😊
You should use Benjamin's pic as your profile pic. (I always like to see people's cats) Mine is of my British Longhair, Ludo- named after the hairy beast from the movie "Labrynth" but also known as: Ludobuns, SuperFuzz, Poquito, and Mr Fluffington. (Head of the Floof Council) =^.,.^=
@A.Girl.Has.No.Name. Aw! I had 19 GLORIOUS years with my big, blonde fluffy-fluzzy kitty boy, Mango Fett.
He was PERFECT! SO funny, and the best friend I ever had in my whole life, I can only admire other's cats now, as he was irreplaceable.
Ludo sounds adorable! I love his name!
Mango was super fluffy, blonde with a white bib and paws, and an enormous plume of a tail, and golden green eyes.
I only had to take him to the vet 2 times, and he lived indoors his whole life, escaping overnight only thrice, the last time was when he was 17.
He sure kept me on my toes, lol!
Sorry to prattle on, I saw these charming comments, and it made me think of my magnificent boy 🧡
@GeeNoniGee Mango Fett!! I love it! I lost what I called my "soul cat" Joey in May of '22. I'm disabled and can't work, so am home all day by myself, and he was always with me, usually plopped next to me on the bed. He was only 11, but I had him from 3mos old. Don't get me wrong, I love Ludo to pieces, but sometimes you just have a special connection with an animal, and I still only miss Joey on days that end in Y. Ludo keeps me on my toes, though! 🤪
Here's hoping one day soon, the Cat Disbersement Dept sends you a new floof to adore. Life isn't the same without a little cat hair in your food and on your clothes! 😊
Hi Michelle! We're doing okay, glad to hear you and Benjamin are doing great. 😊 The weather here is finally becoming spring as well, we had our first day outside yesterday without a coat, haha!
I'm glad you didn't make out Jane as a meek mouse.
Thank go we don't eat quail anymore, they are so cute. I think she and Henry would still have bee together however Henry loved himself above all other so yeah.
Truer words were never spoken.
For the question, do you think Jane Boleyn really helped the downfall of her husband and sister in law? Personally, Idk, so I’m just gonna wait for your answer hehe👀👀
Hmm....*taps chin*
It's a complicated one, but my answer is no, I don't think so. Firstly, looking at the time of actual events around George and Anne's executions, there really isn't any evidence of Jane being involved, except for her being mentioned once in the trial, when George was asked if Anne had mentioned Henry's supposed infertility problems to Jane. There's not much about Jane's relationship with Anne either, which for the period, usually suggests they got along well, but weren't BFFs. In fact, there's evidence around 1534 that Jane helped Anne banish an unknown mistress of Henry's from court,and she was in turn sent from court for a short while.
Later on, long after Anne and George were dead, and after Jane's own death, THEN we started to see more 'evidence' of her supposed part in bringing them down. George Wyatt was seeking to rehabilitate Anne's character for his biography of her, and in the context of what happened with Katherine Howard, Jane was an easy target. After that point, it was easy for historians wishing to create a bit of drama to follow the same line of thinking.
I'm definitely going to do a video for her once all the wives are done, I think she deserves to be rehabilitated herself! 😊
I think in a way one reason Henry might’ve been attracted to Jane was because (in his mind, her quiet and gentle personality) reminded him of his mother, Elizabeth of York. But I don’t think Jane wasn’t an innocent or pure angel (just like Anne Boleyn is perceived as a temptress or femme fatale), we tend to have this perception of Jane as a good person when it wasn’t the case. But at the same time, Jane wasn’t well treated as Henry literally threatened with death for speaking out against him so no one was neither good or bad
I think you're spot on - Jane knew how to play the game even better than Anne, and knew exactly how to present herself to Henry's liking for what he wanted in a _wife_ , not just a sexy mistress. Obviously none of Henry's wives were treated well, but I do think it says a lot that Jane didn't even seem to blink when her predecessor was put to death just days before her own marriage.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Anne’s only problem was not giving Henry an heir, but if she had managed to do so. I think he would’ve stayed with her
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went to school with girls like Jane.butter wouldn't melt...it would boil.
I think I know the ones you mean - the ones who were so, so good in _front_ of the teacher, but not when their back was turned! 😂
I feel Jane, like Anne, and even Katherine of Aragon were a product of the men In thier lives. Yet under the circumstances, Jane, in my opinion, was the most ruthless, waiting for her predecessor to be murdered, for her marry Henry.
lol not true
I think that Jane and Henry had the same nefarious side of their character (pre his accident) which I think actually made him worse.
I think you're right, Jane definitely matched Henry in a lot of aspects, and I think we probably would have seen a lot more of her nasty side had she lived longer. There's something about her that put me very in mind of Isabella of Castile.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople absolutely.
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I haven't, I'll look them up! 😊
Jane was never the mother to anything..she was a victim of the need.
She was both a victim and a mother to Edward.
The portrait we always see is not very flattering. Is there mention anywhere as to the color of her hair?
Yes, a few sources state she had fair hair that sounds like it is blonde, or 'straw-coloured'.
Very, very interesting but I still don’t like her and think she’s a hardened schemer and that’s being nice 😊
lol untrue untrye😊
That’s a horrible one sided view. I suggest read all the novels of her by Janet Wertmsn
I actually like Jane! She gets much more bad rep than Anne- while Anne has been cast as the “feminist icon” (with which I heartily disagree), Jane is the “boring one” who took “girboss Anne” from her husband and throne. But, to be honest, I think what Jane did wasn’t worst than what Anne did- Jane most likely didn’t know Anne would be executed, and once she was, she had no choice but to marry Henry. She did exactly what Anne did to try and get Henry, except Jane didn’t mistreat her stepchildren. I honestly don’t see Jane being as nasty to Anne as Anne had been to Katherine.
Jane wasn’t a saint, she took Anne from Henry just as Anne had taken Katherine from him, but their behaviour towards others was very different. She clearly wanted the throne, but I am pretty sure she didn’t know Anne would die because of it.
Hi friend. Have you heard of Filippo maria Visconti ?
@@DarthDread-oh2ne Hello:) No, I haven’t, what did he do?
@@lfgifu296 He pulled A Henry the 8th and had his wife killed.
@@DarthDread-oh2ne oh💀 gotta look him up👀
she only stood up for Mary while letting little Elizabeth (which if we're being honest, turned orphan the moment Anne died) be neglected and abused. that's not called being on good terms with her stepchildren
Basically, Jane acted like Catherine to get Henry. That's why some folks say Jane was Catherine's karma to Anne. It makes perfect sense! 🤷🏽♀️
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I feel bad for Anne. I dont like that mad. How can you look at a women you "loved" and want to see them leave this world. No matter how much the angered you. Like.... wasnt it strange to him that this person could have still been alive had he not killed her. She didnt deserve it that day. Nor did his teenage wife.
Yeah, it is VERY hard to make a good argument for Henry VIII being a good person in any capacity.
and imagine afterwards, he wanted all traces of her, every portrait and anything that reminds him of her be gone! even Elizabeth! why? why didn't he want to be reminded of her? because of feeling guilt which I doubt? because he didn't want tot remember the life he destroyed himself? because he still had feelings for her that he didn't want to give power to, again? just why? do you have theories?
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If jane had knew to write what papers would we have found?
She fascinates me the way Anne B fascinates others.
Same
17 hours later I finally got my notification 😡
UA-cam just do my bidding! Dislike all these independent decisions you’ve been making lately
I don't know if it helps or not, but sometimes if I unclick the little bell notification thingy, and then reclick it, that seems to reset something? I miss videos on channels I follow as well, so it's definitely not just you!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I’ll give it a whirl!
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