It’s my personal opinion that Richard, having been raised with the Neville’s at a very young age, I believe he loved Anne. He was willing to give up lands and other estates. It is said that Edward IV was very angry but he loved Richard and so allowed the marriage to stand. there’s letters and indications in things that he spoke to her and about her that indicated that he loved her very much. I believe George attempted to keep him from marrying Anne because it impacted George ability to inherit all of the estates, Richard himself commented that the favorite times of his life was when he was at the Neville ancestral home. The Woodvilles (Elizabeth’s family) were reviled as gold diggers and avaricious. Edward trusted and loved Richard (general of Edward’s armies and later established as protector of his children). There are other surviving accounts of Richard (Dickon, as called by his brother) was bereft at the death of his son and wife. Thank you for this portrayal of Anne, I’m sure she was a lovely person.
You're right, there's a lot of evidence to show Richard probably did really love Anne. However, I do also think, judging by how she wasn't later allowed her own household and so on, that he was somewhat controlling. Not that this would have been out of place for the era in which Richard lived, and so it wouldn't have been commented on in any great way had he been more popular than he was. I think there was certainly mutual attraction alongside the obvious financial and security benefits for them both, and as you say, they would have known each other from a young age which must have fostered trust between them.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I recently learned from Philippa Langley's new work "The Princes in the Tower" that Henry VII had as much of Richard's personal writings as could be found destroyed -- including his and Anne's letters to one another. That he would not have the decency to give them to the family is no surprise, but we'll never know what they wrote to each other as the tragedies they endured unfolded.
@@DennisHurst-f2q Thank you! I've been a member of the RIII Society for years, and am appalled at the level of so-called history that has distorted the reputation of one of the best young monarchs England ever had, if only for his documented determination to foster a just government for his subjects. Instead we get the "Turdors", Morton, saint Thomas, Shakespeare and Olivier yelling for a horse and one "historian" after another purporting to have solved a double murder in the Tower which never happened in the first place. Watching Langley, Carson, and the rest finally lift the veil off this story is an invigorating experience!
I´m a York stan, and i believe that Richard was kind to her and very happy with his little family, having lost that, his position became less secure and in his grief, he decided to fight to the end in Bosworth, instead of maybe retiring and regrouping to face better the Usurper tudor. If he had, the horrific things that happed under the tudors wouldnt happen and a lot more lives could have been saved and the percentage of poverty wouldn´t have skyrocketed as it did
We can agree to disagree that Richard should have remained on the throne, but I definitely agree with you that I think Anne and Richard probably had a happy marriage as well, and both loved their son. There's no evidence to the contrary, and they had grown up together in some fashion, so there must have been a mutual bond of some kind before they married. I don't know if that necessarily means they cared about each other before they were married, but there's no reason why that wouldn't have grown during their years together - plenty of marriages worked that way.
@@deebee2603 I agree with you a 100%, it was Stanleys betrayal that doomed Richard, a few years later Stanleys' brother changed sides again to the yorkist "pretenders" ( btw, Perkin Warbeck seemed like the real deal, he had perfect English and was said to resembled Edward iv) and he got executed by it. Richard gave mercy to treasonous Margaret Beaufort and trusted turncloak Stanley and he paid the price for that
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI agree Richard had to know it might best to try to withdraw but this actually resulting in a win later no sure thing. First. Retreat could turn into rout and he still lose that battle and fall. Or losing a battle would make correcting things and fielding a new larger Army uncertain. But at least might allow retreating into exile. But as mentioned a retreat could also result in a win. Considering Richard’s track record he might have been no better than Henry. But he might have been better as well. Still can’t believe how stupid saying nothing about the King and Duke in the Tower was. At least try a they died from illness route. Or frame the guy he had kill them as doing it on their own initiative Richard in his anger of course striking them down himself. Richard still be blamed but there be doubt in fact he actually lying his supporters could push.
@@milferdjones2573 Read Philippa Langley's new work on the subject, "The Princes in the Tower". To just assume that they were murdered there is no longer tenable, as there is now too much evidence that they were removed to separate parts of Britain and the continent. Sorry to all those who are fans of the More-Shakespeare legend, but it doesn't look that way, and investigations continue to find the truth of the matter.
IMO Anne was the strongest woman at the centre of the Cousins War. Her father was a thug and the way he treated her and Isabel. I Truly believe that she and Richard III loved each other very much.
I really hope they did care about each other, and I think they probably did, too. I don't really think it was a 'love-match' as such, at the beginning, but I do think they came to care very deeply for one another over the years. Richard did seem genuinely upset at her death, according to contemporaries, and they would have jumped on him immediately if they thought otherwise. And I think Anne was a very strong person, as you say. Perhaps not in the same way as Margaret Beaufort or Elizabeth Woodville, but someone can still be quiet and keep out of politics, while being a strong person inwardly. I think she had to be, to live through and survive what she did.
Sadly, we will never know how much because that worm Henry VII had their letters to each other destroyed, along with most of the rest of Richard's personal correspondence.
Wonderful in-depth video on Anne Neville, the best I've seen so far. She's a fascinating and enigmatic figure indeed. Beautifully presented. Loved it. Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! 😊 I was nervous to cover Anne as so little is known about her, but a few people asked so I thought I'd give it a go. It's a shame there's so little known about her, but as you say, she's fascinating for the fact she was so important and yet was so hidden.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople your work is always eloquent, reliable and well documented, that's why I love your channel. It's a shame that there's not much information about her but you did a wonderful job. Thank you 😊
While probably not a love match in the beginning, I suppose they must’ve grown to at least like each other, as Richard was said to be sad at her passing
You're right! It's another one of those gaps, just like their grief at Edward of Middleham's death, where there's only a hint of the living relationship at the reaction after death. I suppose if you factor in them knowing each other when they were younger, and the fact that (in my humble opinion, anyway) they both understood the marriage was a transaction and so respected one another, there's no reason not to think they cared about one another. Plus, I guess it would have been another Tudor stick to beat the posthumous memory of Richard III over the head with after he was dead had he not treated Anne well.
Richard was grown up into Warwick's household, there are many evidences that, whatever the marriage strategy might have been, he and Anne were close and felt true affection each other as It happens when two people spend the early childhood together...
I’m SO glad the real histories are being told. It makes me sad that one authoress has made a lot of money twisting history so much, that people actually believe her stories to be factual when in the Tudor case they are barely credible at times. Bless you for your integrity.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 And I guess there is a lot of history twisting from that one person, but in her defence (bearing in mind I'm not a fan of hers!) the books are historical fiction. I think a lot of the problem lies in people using historical fiction as fact, quite understandably, as we expect it to have some truth as the characters are real people!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Rhoda Edward's very moving book "Some Touch of Pity" did give a notion of Anne's possible life and that of Richard. Like Hilary Mantel in her Cromwell books, she took the bare bones of what we know to be fact, and wove a careful and educated scenario around it. I wish people could tell the difference between plain provable facts and historical fiction. Possible, probable, maybe, wishful, are all very well as long as we understand them. I liked how you demonstrated the differences.
Fascinating, thank you. It's quite sad this young woman was treated as a cash cow and a womb, but not much else. An unfortunate life, but better than most others.
This is it, she was really typical of her time, which is actually quite sad! But she did at least get the opportunity to enjoy her short life in relative luxury compared to others, as you say.
Also Richard had to give up the claim he would have had on her wealth as co- heir of the dead Warwick the Kingmaker, her father, in order to release her from his brother Clarence clutches . Anne was co-heir with her sister Clarence's wife. Richard was not interested in her wealth, he simply loved her so he let Clarence have all of it. The story of how he determinedly finally married her is one of history's great true love romances. He searched the City of London high and low to find where Clarence had hidden her then took her to sanctuary in a convent nearby.
That’s it. No one knows if it was a beautiful love match I definitely believe they both would’ve welcomed it but to believe Richard had no designs on her massive inheritance is naive, it’s just how it was. Yes he could have loved her so dearly & still pulled some manoeuvres regarding more riches. It was unfortunate for the wives but they didn’t know any better tbh or perhaps accepted & adapted. As a woman of her time she would’ve supported Richard (just as she supported her first husband) in everything she was expected to support him with. She had no choice but to marry Edward of Westminster but most ladies didn’t. Her father was no idiot he married her dynastically to suit his current cause. She was probably living happily enough with Richard (or no doubt in her own area of their estates) until Edward iv died & she must thought “awe naw here we go again” imo after Edward iv died Richard’s loving marriage appears to be the last thing on his mind. When she died he certainly didn’t make funeral arrangements or carry out some heavy mourning, that suggested love love love but he appeared to continue being consumed with remaining king. Even her death & the death of their son would’ve been seen as Richard being cursed. Just the way they thought. Perhaps the part to becoming king has created distance between them but noble or royal marriages were often distant anyway. Again just the way things were. It’s the presentism attached to this whole situation that ignites unbelievable speculation as to who Richard was & how his marriage was only for love. These romanticised versions of events, that we actually have no really certainties about, are rife. What we actually know about history is so limited, it’s only the documentation that survived it, extensive painstaking research & reading the philosophers of the time can help give us a tiny wee clue into how it might’ve been, tiniest clue. A lot of history is speculative but it’s also accepted that people who are extremely qualified & credible will arrive at the most likely conclusions. For some reason this historical event goes against all of the above
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I agree with you being typical of her time. I think there’s far too much presentism attached. I hope they were happily in love, God knows woman of that era deserved some wanted attention but there’s no point being ignorant to the fact that marriage was rarely a love story (or solely for love) in medieval peerage. I enjoy your videos. I’ve actually seen some comments that have assumed you’re either for York or Lancaster lol! I believe you’re being extremely objective & have mastered a way to be diplomatic about it &, rightly so, looking at it from different perspectives. It’s such a disservice to history to pick a side or add presentism, that drives me nuts!!
Thank you! I agree, I think Anne may have been more active in her life than we actually have evidence for, but sadly trying to find proof of it is so difficult. It really shows that she knew how to behave perfectly for what was expected of her, which I guess is some hint of her personality in itself. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople She didn't have to marry Richard. She was a widow. She could have said no, joined a nunnery, or ran off with a knight (See: Katherine Valois and Jaquetta of Luxembourg) but she didn't. And I suspect she must have hated the Woodvilles and encouraged Richard to work against them. But you are right. There is no proof because she knew how to behave publicly and unlike the Woodville-Kardashians, she was smart enough to leave no trace.
Brilliant video! Anne Neville is such an interesting figure and I agree, it's sad that we don't have very much concrete information about her. Thanks so much for sharing!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople was Anne Neville really more polite and shyer than her sister Isabel or is just philipa Gregory giving her a personality? 😂
This was a fantastic video. Narration was easy to listen to and follow. The artist renderings are absolutely beautiful! The really made the story come to life! Top drawer!
Thank you so much, I'm so glad you enjoyed it! 😊Although I have to admit the artwork I use is created in an AI program, Midjourney, rather than an 'artist'.
She is in one of the greatest plays in history. Nearly all queens of England are completely forgotten. Everyone who has watched Richard III has heard of her. People have heard of Elizabeth I and II, Victoria and Bloody Mary. She's probably as famous as any queen after that.
Such a shame a play is what people look to for truth in regard on who Anne Neville was. I'm pretty sure the truth is much more fascinating and troubled.
@@Moose.-vy5yeyes Shakespeare would not dare deviate from the official line of the ruler. It non English and not for public release stuff that likely to be more accurate.
Mary I Elizabeth I Mary II Anne Victoria Elizabeth II All of those were Queen in their own right, so it makes much more sense that we know more about them. And the first two were daughters of one of England’s most famous kings Henry VIII who famously went through six wives and desperately wanted a son. It makes it kinda funny that Henry VIII two surviving daughters became England’s first ruling queens. Also, people need to stop taking history from Shakespeare.
She really isn't a very well known figure in history, and as you point out about The White Princess, Anne only really comes up when we talk about the others around her.
It is so disturbing that a woman can live a life surrounded by so much power, but we haven’t the slightest whisper from her in her own voice. Surely she would have so much to tell us!
Anne is tantalisingly difficult to figure out! I think part of the reason we still keep trying to investigate Anne is precisely because there _should_ be more detail about her. It's very unusual to have a queen or even a duchess with so little known about them.
Thank you for giving Anne Neville some needed attention. She was used as a pion by her father's king making. The Neville and York families were allies. However Warrick was a poor politician and couldn't stand the Queen Edward IV had chosen Elizabeth Woodville widow of the Lancastrian Sir Grey. He had big plans with the king of France 🇫🇷 that where blocked by Edward IV marriage. Warrick would turn his back to Edward IV who finally ended up killing him in the battle of Barnett. I think Richard III did love Anne Neville. Though she would not have been there to see Prince Edward Prince of Wales die. I think Anne Neville was probably happiest married to Richard III and living back at Midland Castle.
hi elizabeth woodvile was my grandmother 14 times removed anne neville was my 12th great uncles daughter edward the 3rd was my 18 times grandfarther and richard the 3rd was my cousin 13 times removed
You're right, he definitely made sure he was the main focus. But there also just isn't the documentation or sources that tell us a lot about her, and those that do are fairly general.
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. Your history videos are always enjoyable. How are you? I'm doing well. We have nice weather in Ontario Canada. How is the weather where you are? Have a great day see you next video 😊
Tbh, all of the members of the York/Neville family seem unpleasant (those of whom we have information on, that is) Isabel Neville herself virtually had her sister in house arrest in her own house…
Well, Isabel is another one we don't have much information on - there's a little more known about her because she remained in England more than Anne - so she may not have had much choice in what happened to Anne in her own home, either. Even if Isabel was against keeping Anne planted there, George could easily have overruled her, sadly. But I do agree in that a lot of the York/Neville family members don't seem to have been very pleasant people! The possible exception for me is Margaret of York, who does seem to have been a more caring personality.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople True, she seems to be the most amiable of the bunch haha. Idk about her sister Anne though, Idk anything abt her tbh apart from the fact that she died in childbirth and left an unhappy marriage
If Anne and Richard Duke of Gloucester were first cousins requiring a Papal dispensation, were not her sister Isabelle and George Duke of Clarence also in the same situation?
The Duke of Somerset ran from a battle in France. Duke of York disliked him intensely. I mean Henry 6 family usurped the throne only two decades earlier and York had a better claim
You're right, both sides had either usurped/wanted to usurp - they were as bad as each other! 😂 Honestly, it always makes me think of that clip from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail', where the peasants are going through some mud and talk about how they're not interested in who is 'king' as they didn't vote for him, and live in an anarcho-communist commune - there's some truth to how people must have felt, I think!
I wish there were records of her marriage to Edward of Westminster. The White Queen makes it abusive, but it’s far from an accurate depiction of History😭 (which is just fine, as it is, after all, fiction). Nevertheless, I would assume Edward of W. wasn’t a fan of Anne’s family, but could also recognise her innocence in events that happened before she was even born and when she was a todler.
There's literally nothing, sadly! It's like, 'marriage, France, England, dead'. 😅 They were married for just a few months, so who knows. I agree in that I don't think Anne would have been viewed as her father, and Margaret of Anjou would have understood women were mere pawns against the decisions of the men around them. Having said that, I wonder what Anne felt about it, having been told for so long the Lancastrians were the enemy? She seems to have understood her place in things well enough to go along with it without argument, but it's so frustrating we have no hint of her feelings on the matter.
LOL not that funny - I use the original portraits to create my images, but of course Midjourney is trained to look at images across the Internet to create its art. So if there are lots of images of the actor with the keywords 'Richard III' attached, it will also use those with no extra input from me, annoyingly.
These customs still persist. In my life, I was born the second female and since I wasn't a male I became nothing to my parents and grandparents. And just like sons the first born was elevated abd given everything right down to a red sports car. And when she totaled the car and grandparents refused to buy her another car she stole my car. I was 16 at the time. I bought my car. My parents couldn't understand why I was so mad despite my sister never asked (why should she everything of mine was given to her though I bought it) me to borrow my car. I missed work that day. But I told my parents and my sister I would prosecute her the next time she steals my car. 😂
I'm sorry to hear that, that's awful that happened to you. 😔 Our true family is often the one we choose, rather than the one we're born with, that's for certain.
As an enthusiastic supporter of the Royal House of Lancaster I have actually a lot of time for Anne And although Richard III certainly benefitted from the marriage through vast land gains I buy too the idea it was at least a good measure of a love match Nice lady in a nest of fairly dubious Yorkists!
I agree - I don't think Anne (or Isabel, for that matter) seem to have leaned one way of the other in terms of the Lancastrians and Yorkists, and possibly due to their father changing sides more than once, didn't view any alliance as permanent. I also think Anne and Richard's marriage was certainly a financial decision above all else, at least at first, but it must have been a happy marriage as contemporary commentators would certainly have mentioned it if not!
Clarence had control of Anne's wealth so Richard let Clarence keep Anne's share of Warwick's estate after he rescued her from where Clarence had hidden her as a scullery maid in the City of London. That was so Clarence would stop objecting to the marriage. It was love not money that drove him.
Yes. I'm related to the Neville's through Margaret Neville, the "natural" daughter of Warwick the Kingmaker. She married Sir Richard Huddleston. Sir John Huddleston lived in the North in Millom. They had several children together.
I think the fact that we know so little about her paints her as a soft person with little selfconfidence to control the politics around her, in my oppinion.
You're right - the absence of her from politics definitely points to someone who either wasn't interested in politics, or didn't get much say in it. Especially if that's looked at alongside the fact she didn't even have financial control over her household, which was unusual for queens. I know it's not popular to view women from the past as having little agency over their own lives with no power whatsoever at the moment, but it can happen in any era, and Anne's absence from records suggests this was the case, as you say. The only thing I would disagree with is calling her 'soft', as at least over here that's usually said to mean someone weak, and I don't think she was that, considering what she lived through and survived. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Soft can mean different things to different people. I mean kind and perhaps not assertive. English isn't my native language, but soft might mean different things in EnglishEnglish and AmericanEnglish.
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI'm for telling the truth about history, not making it politically popular in the present moment. It's utterly silly to "update" Louisa May Alcott's story, Little Women, by making women during the Civil War into a bunch of 21st Century ambitious business women. 🙄🤪
I know - I have hesitated to make this video for a while because of that, but a few people asked, so I thought I'd give it a go! It is sad Anne is little more than a name, considering she was queen, but in doing so I guess it's an important point about women of the period.
Quite an interesting lass indeed! It must rly have been a challenge to put this video together because there is so little info about her! Fun fact, there’s a lady claiming to be her reincarnation on instagram👀
@@DarthDread-oh2neI have been watching it in these past couple of days!! Very interesting, and the visuals are also amazing! I am currently in the beginning of the Reign of Alexander I. Thanks for the recommendation:)
Mostly because there's hardly anything known of her, and she showed no known inclination to being that ruthless. Obviously you can't say she definitely didn't, but lack of evidence isn't evidence.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I completely understand. That is why I have always been so fascinated with her. There is little known about her but from what is known we can say she was a survivor. Having influences such as Margaret of Anjou and even her own father I would expect she knew her way around. The evidence we do have pointing to Richard and others seem like there’s always something missing in my opinion. Though these things are never usually straightforward richards behavior along with that of the woodvilles seemed off. With what Anne has been through I’ve always seen it as her protecting her husband. It always seemed to me that Richard was innocent but was indeed protecting someone. There is no evidence of course. Just a theory.
As others have said we have nothing that gives us an indication of Anne's personality, opinions or influence. Two points that I think it's reasonably to assume though. 1) After Tewkesbury Richard of Gloucester represented her best bet for a comfortable life. 2) When she became queen I'm sure that she would have feared for the safety of her own son and seen the Princes in the Tower as a threat to him.
Quite frankly, whatever anyone wants to say about Henry VII or the Tudors or Buckingham, or James Tyrell. The unfortunate reality was that those Princes were a huge threat, after the wars of the roses they had to have known that a living rival king or claimant had the potential to destabilize the country. Every King has learned that even if they tried to keep their rival alive. Henry IV with Richard II, Edward IV with Henry VI, Henry Tudor with the Earl of Warwick and the many claimants who tried to take the throne, Henry VIII with de la Pole, Mary I with Poor Jane Grey, and even Elizabeth with the Queen of Scots. It's a terrible thing to say but I would be honestly be shocked if neither Richard or Anne had any hand in the Princes disappearing, because they would have been a threat to their son.
As a big fan of Queen Margaret of Anjou(wrote biography of her and visited Chateau where she died) congratulations on your esteemed ancestress Nice lady I think and deserves a higher profile than she often gets Be very proud of her
Not Anne Neville directly, as she had no living descendants, but I think yes, through her earlier ancestors and subsequent cousins several times removed of hers.
It would be wonderful to know her inner thoughts, wouldn't it? I expect Anne was very good at behaving (publicly) how she knew she had to, but it doesn't mean she didn't have a whole host of other thoughts on things.
@@dianochka5432 have you checked? Turns out she’s 1st cousin 1x removed of my 15th great grand uncle (King Edward 4th). There are probably up to 6,000 people who are her direct relatives by approximate calculation. When it comes to step uncles of in laws, for example, I certainly don’t count that at being related.
@@neenaj365 No, it was an assumption but admittedly a bit wild. We need to go back another few hundred years. But AN is my 14th great-grand-aunt, via Margaret Pole.
@@dianochka5432 I’ve just done a bit of work on the Poles. Our distant forebears must have crossed paths at some point, maybe danced together at a feast or two!
A lot of them, yes. I use actual portraits where possible, but in Anne's case, there are no surviving portraits of her. I use the few descriptions there are of someone (sometimes conflicting!) to create a person that is essentially a placeholder in the video. I do note in all my descriptions that I use Midjourney AI.
I was really shocked when I found out about that, as well as the fact that we have no idea where she is buried. I can understand it for pre-Conquest monarchs, but it's so strange that a queen remains from the 15th century are AWOL.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I suppose Anne Neville was tainted by the bad taste in History's mouth of being the wife of Richard III. Not easy to live down. 🤫
True, but Midjourney (the AI program I use for the images) thinks everyone came out of it looking like a Hollywood star! 😂 It is something I try to work on, but it's irritatingly hard to make it do 'normal' people.
Haha, it's a good jump! Hmm...I do admire him for coming from virtually nothing. If I remember rightly, his family were quite poor, and he got himself through Law school, etc., and made his way to the very top over the years. I always admire people who manage that without any extra leg-up. I also think (despite the obvious that what you see in public possibly hides things beneath that) that he often gets forgotten for a lot of good stuff he did - he ended involvement in Vietnam, where the US shouldn't have been really, he improved relations with China, his administration created legislation for environmental issues, and of course had the 'War on Drugs'. I'm not saying those decisions didn't happen with a lot of 'the public will love this', but nevertheless they happened. BUT...you know...WATERGATE. You can't harass people. You can't bug your political enemies (or friends!). You can't use your presidential status to accept gifts, a.k.a. bribes. All of that is a huge smear against him, and as it happened later in his career, is often all that's really remembered about Nixon. Having said that, while it was a huge scandal at the time, it's not much against some of the things that political people survive today! I'm not sure. I think - probably like a lot of political people - Nixon started with the best of intentions, and I think he did know what he was doing to improve the country. But I think power corrupts, and over time Nixon thought he could get away with a lot more, using his power against his opponents.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I agree with you! I think him coming from a humble beginning made him insecure (add to that him losing the 1960 elections and another campaign and winning his first term by a very short margin). The fact is that he didn’t need to get himself involved in that, he won his second term with a huge difference, and I think, had he stayed out of those shady businesses, he could’ve gone down as a very successful president! I don’t love nor loathe him. I don’t think he was a bad person per se, but multiple circumstances led to his corruption. Also, not that it matters lol, but I think the FBI agent who brought him down (whose nickname was deep throat- seriously couldn’t they come up with something better💀) wasn’t a very good guy himself
ANN NEVILLE AS FIRST A PRINCESS OF WALES MAKES ME WONDER WHAT KIND OF CHARACTER SHE HAD LIKE DIANA ,LIKE KATE THAN AS A QUEEN CONSORT WHAT SHE WOULD B LIKE CAMILLA/KATE IN THE FUTURE.
you sure go into a lot of rumors regarding Richard III, not like your other videos. It's the opinion of many that it was a love match, as the person below suggests, Richard's letters and actions surely show this as well. You sound like you like your roses red.
Well said. It would be great if more ppl would deal with “facts” in favour of romanticised versions. There’s also far too much presentism attached & personal conviction not to mention the speculation which is rife
It’s my personal opinion that Richard, having been raised with the Neville’s at a very young age, I believe he loved Anne. He was willing to give up lands and other estates. It is said that Edward IV was very angry but he loved Richard and so allowed the marriage to stand. there’s letters and indications in things that he spoke to her and about her that indicated that he loved her very much. I believe George attempted to keep him from marrying Anne because it impacted George ability to inherit all of the estates, Richard himself commented that the favorite times of his life was when he was at the Neville ancestral home. The Woodvilles (Elizabeth’s family) were reviled as gold diggers and avaricious. Edward trusted and loved Richard (general of Edward’s armies and later established as protector of his children). There are other surviving accounts of Richard (Dickon, as called by his brother) was bereft at the death of his son and wife. Thank you for this portrayal of Anne, I’m sure she was a lovely person.
You're right, there's a lot of evidence to show Richard probably did really love Anne. However, I do also think, judging by how she wasn't later allowed her own household and so on, that he was somewhat controlling. Not that this would have been out of place for the era in which Richard lived, and so it wouldn't have been commented on in any great way had he been more popular than he was. I think there was certainly mutual attraction alongside the obvious financial and security benefits for them both, and as you say, they would have known each other from a young age which must have fostered trust between them.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I recently learned from Philippa Langley's new work "The Princes in the Tower" that Henry VII had as much of Richard's personal writings as could be found destroyed -- including his and Anne's letters to one another. That he would not have the decency to give them to the family is no surprise, but we'll never know what they wrote to each other as the tragedies they endured unfolded.
Will her sister and brother in law be in your segments.
Hey thanks for you’re input and insight, you know you’re topic ❤, interesting and most likely true it’s as likely as any other theories , thanks
@@DennisHurst-f2q Thank you! I've been a member of the RIII Society for years, and am appalled at the level of so-called history that has distorted the reputation of one of the best young monarchs England ever had, if only for his documented determination to foster a just government for his subjects. Instead we get the "Turdors", Morton, saint Thomas, Shakespeare and Olivier yelling for a horse and one "historian" after another purporting to have solved a double murder in the Tower which never happened in the first place. Watching Langley, Carson, and the rest finally lift the veil off this story is an invigorating experience!
I´m a York stan, and i believe that Richard was kind to her and very happy with his little family, having lost that, his position became less secure and in his grief, he decided to fight to the end in Bosworth, instead of maybe retiring and regrouping to face better the Usurper tudor. If he had, the horrific things that happed under the tudors wouldnt happen and a lot more lives could have been saved and the percentage of poverty wouldn´t have skyrocketed as it did
We can agree to disagree that Richard should have remained on the throne, but I definitely agree with you that I think Anne and Richard probably had a happy marriage as well, and both loved their son. There's no evidence to the contrary, and they had grown up together in some fashion, so there must have been a mutual bond of some kind before they married. I don't know if that necessarily means they cared about each other before they were married, but there's no reason why that wouldn't have grown during their years together - plenty of marriages worked that way.
@@deebee2603 I agree with you a 100%, it was Stanleys betrayal that doomed Richard, a few years later Stanleys' brother changed sides again to the yorkist "pretenders" ( btw, Perkin Warbeck seemed like the real deal, he had perfect English and was said to resembled Edward iv) and he got executed by it. Richard gave mercy to treasonous Margaret Beaufort and trusted turncloak Stanley and he paid the price for that
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI agree Richard had to know it might best to try to withdraw but this actually resulting in a win later no sure thing.
First. Retreat could turn into rout and he still lose that battle and fall.
Or losing a battle would make correcting things and fielding a new larger Army uncertain. But at least might allow retreating into exile.
But as mentioned a retreat could also result in a win. Considering Richard’s track record he might have been no better than Henry. But he might have been better as well.
Still can’t believe how stupid saying nothing about the King and Duke in the Tower was.
At least try a they died from illness route. Or frame the guy he had kill them as doing it on their own initiative Richard in his anger of course striking them down himself. Richard still be blamed but there be doubt in fact he actually lying his supporters could push.
@@milferdjones2573 Read Philippa Langley's new work on the subject, "The Princes in the Tower". To just assume that they were murdered there is no longer tenable, as there is now too much evidence that they were removed to separate parts of Britain and the continent. Sorry to all those who are fans of the More-Shakespeare legend, but it doesn't look that way, and investigations continue to find the truth of the matter.
I agree in theory but York’s killed off their own family so the York’s killed off 3 heirs to throne but I agree with you ❤
Found your channel the other day, quite happily working my way through your videos while baking and having a coffee, ahh bliss 😊
IMO Anne was the strongest woman at the centre of the Cousins War. Her father was a thug and the way he treated her and Isabel. I Truly believe that she and Richard III loved each other very much.
I really hope they did care about each other, and I think they probably did, too. I don't really think it was a 'love-match' as such, at the beginning, but I do think they came to care very deeply for one another over the years. Richard did seem genuinely upset at her death, according to contemporaries, and they would have jumped on him immediately if they thought otherwise.
And I think Anne was a very strong person, as you say. Perhaps not in the same way as Margaret Beaufort or Elizabeth Woodville, but someone can still be quiet and keep out of politics, while being a strong person inwardly. I think she had to be, to live through and survive what she did.
What a big deal it would be if her portrait was ever discovered.
Sadly, we will never know how much because that worm Henry VII had their letters to each other destroyed, along with most of the rest of Richard's personal correspondence.
They were also childhood friends before they became sweethearts.
Bless you for pronouncing Beauchamp correctly!
Absolutely fascinating video, thank you! I knew nothing at all about her.
Thank you - no doubt someone will be along to let me know I've pronounced something else wrong, though! 😅
Not to the French.
As its obviously a French name, I don't get why its pronounced so differently??
@@eleanorbarrie3527 Because English people are weirdos. =)
Wonderful in-depth video on Anne Neville, the best I've seen so far. She's a fascinating and enigmatic figure indeed. Beautifully presented. Loved it. Thank you 🙏🏻
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it! 😊 I was nervous to cover Anne as so little is known about her, but a few people asked so I thought I'd give it a go. It's a shame there's so little known about her, but as you say, she's fascinating for the fact she was so important and yet was so hidden.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople your work is always eloquent, reliable and well documented, that's why I love your channel. It's a shame that there's not much information about her but you did a wonderful job. Thank you 😊
Whoever destroyed her diaries or her personal chronicler's papers is being punished on the other side.
I really hope Elizabeth of York didn't murdered her.
Yes that poor young woman had an interesting life , and we forget she was queen !
While probably not a love match in the beginning, I suppose they must’ve grown to at least like each other, as Richard was said to be sad at her passing
You're right! It's another one of those gaps, just like their grief at Edward of Middleham's death, where there's only a hint of the living relationship at the reaction after death. I suppose if you factor in them knowing each other when they were younger, and the fact that (in my humble opinion, anyway) they both understood the marriage was a transaction and so respected one another, there's no reason not to think they cared about one another. Plus, I guess it would have been another Tudor stick to beat the posthumous memory of Richard III over the head with after he was dead had he not treated Anne well.
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Richard was grown up into Warwick's household, there are many evidences that, whatever the marriage strategy might have been, he and Anne were close and felt true affection each other as It happens when two people spend the early childhood together...
I’m SO glad the real histories are being told. It makes me sad that one authoress has made a lot of money twisting history so much, that people actually believe her stories to be factual when in the Tudor case they are barely credible at times. Bless you for your integrity.
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊 And I guess there is a lot of history twisting from that one person, but in her defence (bearing in mind I'm not a fan of hers!) the books are historical fiction. I think a lot of the problem lies in people using historical fiction as fact, quite understandably, as we expect it to have some truth as the characters are real people!
That said authoress piqued people's interest though.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Rhoda Edward's very moving book "Some Touch of Pity" did give a notion of Anne's possible life and that of Richard. Like Hilary Mantel in her Cromwell books, she took the bare bones of what we know to be fact, and wove a careful and educated scenario around it. I wish people could tell the difference between plain provable facts and historical fiction. Possible, probable, maybe, wishful, are all very well as long as we understand them. I liked how you demonstrated the differences.
Fascinating, thank you. It's quite sad this young woman was treated as a cash cow and a womb, but not much else. An unfortunate life, but better than most others.
This is it, she was really typical of her time, which is actually quite sad! But she did at least get the opportunity to enjoy her short life in relative luxury compared to others, as you say.
Also Richard had to give up the claim he would have had on her wealth as co- heir of the dead Warwick the Kingmaker, her father, in order to release her from his brother Clarence clutches . Anne was co-heir with her sister Clarence's wife. Richard was not interested in her wealth, he simply loved her so he let Clarence have all of it. The story of how he determinedly finally married her is one of history's great true love romances. He searched the City of London high and low to find where Clarence had hidden her then took her to sanctuary in a convent nearby.
That’s it. No one knows if it was a beautiful love match I definitely believe they both would’ve welcomed it but to believe Richard had no designs on her massive inheritance is naive, it’s just how it was. Yes he could have loved her so dearly & still pulled some manoeuvres regarding more riches. It was unfortunate for the wives but they didn’t know any better tbh or perhaps accepted & adapted. As a woman of her time she would’ve supported Richard (just as she supported her first husband) in everything she was expected to support him with. She had no choice but to marry Edward of Westminster but most ladies didn’t. Her father was no idiot he married her dynastically to suit his current cause. She was probably living happily enough with Richard (or no doubt in her own area of their estates) until Edward iv died & she must thought “awe naw here we go again” imo after Edward iv died Richard’s loving marriage appears to be the last thing on his mind. When she died he certainly didn’t make funeral arrangements or carry out some heavy mourning, that suggested love love love but he appeared to continue being consumed with remaining king. Even her death & the death of their son would’ve been seen as Richard being cursed. Just the way they thought. Perhaps the part to becoming king has created distance between them but noble or royal marriages were often distant anyway. Again just the way things were.
It’s the presentism attached to this whole situation that ignites unbelievable speculation as to who Richard was & how his marriage was only for love. These romanticised versions of events, that we actually have no really certainties about, are rife. What we actually know about history is so limited, it’s only the documentation that survived it, extensive painstaking research & reading the philosophers of the time can help give us a tiny wee clue into how it might’ve been, tiniest clue. A lot of history is speculative but it’s also accepted that people who are extremely qualified & credible will arrive at the most likely conclusions. For some reason this historical event goes against all of the above
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I agree with you being typical of her time. I think there’s far too much presentism attached. I hope they were happily in love, God knows woman of that era deserved some wanted attention but there’s no point being ignorant to the fact that marriage was rarely a love story (or solely for love) in medieval peerage. I enjoy your videos. I’ve actually seen some comments that have assumed you’re either for York or Lancaster lol! I believe you’re being extremely objective & have mastered a way to be diplomatic about it &, rightly so, looking at it from different perspectives. It’s such a disservice to history to pick a side or add presentism, that drives me nuts!!
Thank you for a great video on an enigmatic woman who I think had a lot more agency than she is given credit for.
Thank you! I agree, I think Anne may have been more active in her life than we actually have evidence for, but sadly trying to find proof of it is so difficult. It really shows that she knew how to behave perfectly for what was expected of her, which I guess is some hint of her personality in itself. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople She didn't have to marry Richard. She was a widow. She could have said no, joined a nunnery, or ran off with a knight (See: Katherine Valois and Jaquetta of Luxembourg) but she didn't. And I suspect she must have hated the Woodvilles and encouraged Richard to work against them. But you are right. There is no proof because she knew how to behave publicly and unlike the Woodville-Kardashians, she was smart enough to leave no trace.
Anne and Isabel Neville should have been remembered better.
Brilliant video! Anne Neville is such an interesting figure and I agree, it's sad that we don't have very much concrete information about her.
Thanks so much for sharing!
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed the video! 😊
I hope for the sake of her soul she took no part in the deaths of the princes.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople was Anne Neville really more polite and shyer than her sister Isabel or is just philipa Gregory giving her a personality? 😂
@@HistorysForgottenPeopledoes anyone know where her grave is?
This was a fantastic video. Narration was easy to listen to and follow. The artist renderings are absolutely beautiful! The really made the story come to life! Top drawer!
Thank you so much, I'm so glad you enjoyed it! 😊Although I have to admit the artwork I use is created in an AI program, Midjourney, rather than an 'artist'.
this was one of the best videos about Anne Neville i´ve seen.Thank you
Phew, thank you! I was nervous to do it since there's so little known about her, so I'm pleased you enjoyed it. 😊
Very well done!! The artwork is stunning.
Thank you! I can only take credit for the prompts, though, Midjourney does the rest. 😊
She is in one of the greatest plays in history. Nearly all queens of England are completely forgotten. Everyone who has watched Richard III has heard of her. People have heard of Elizabeth I and II, Victoria and Bloody Mary. She's probably as famous as any queen after that.
Such a shame a play is what people look to for truth in regard on who Anne Neville was. I'm pretty sure the truth is much more fascinating and troubled.
@@Moose.-vy5yeyes Shakespeare would not dare deviate from the official line of the ruler.
It non English and not for public release stuff that likely to be more accurate.
She's intriguing! She is a total blank, so authors can imagine any personality they wish! She's certainly more interesting than Elizabeth Woodville!
Mary I
Elizabeth I
Mary II
Anne
Victoria
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All of those were Queen in their own right, so it makes much more sense that we know more about them. And the first two were daughters of one of England’s most famous kings Henry VIII who famously went through six wives and desperately wanted a son. It makes it kinda funny that Henry VIII two surviving daughters became England’s first ruling queens.
Also, people need to stop taking history from Shakespeare.
Wonderful video loved it❤❤❤
Very well done! Thank you
My pleasure, I'm glad you liked it! 😊
King Dickon wept at his wife's funeral 😢😢😢
Dont think he ever took a mistress as well
I only know about Anne Neville from the show the white princess
She really isn't a very well known figure in history, and as you point out about The White Princess, Anne only really comes up when we talk about the others around her.
I really wish i knew what she looked like?@@HistorysForgottenPeople
It is so disturbing that a woman can live a life surrounded by so much power, but we haven’t the slightest whisper from her in her own voice. Surely she would have so much to tell us!
It really is! There were women who were queen for less time than Anne who we know more about, and it's amazing to think she was queen for a decade.
She was merely queen consort.
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleit's a tragedy her letters, diaries and portraits were lost and destroyed.
She accomplished so much in 28 yrs. Shame it wasn't more detail on her. I find her more interesting than Jane Seymore🤔
Anne is tantalisingly difficult to figure out! I think part of the reason we still keep trying to investigate Anne is precisely because there _should_ be more detail about her. It's very unusual to have a queen or even a duchess with so little known about them.
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI would love it if a lost diary from her was discovered.
Thank you so much, very interesting 🙏🙏👵🇦🇺
*They were 1st cousins once removed as Richard was the 1st cousin of Anne's Dad, the Earl of Warwick.
Thank you for giving Anne Neville some needed attention.
She was used as a pion by her father's king making.
The Neville and York families were allies.
However Warrick was a poor politician and couldn't stand the Queen Edward IV had chosen Elizabeth Woodville widow of the Lancastrian Sir Grey.
He had big plans with the king of France 🇫🇷 that where blocked by Edward IV marriage.
Warrick would turn his back to Edward IV who finally ended up killing him in the battle of Barnett.
I think Richard III did love Anne Neville.
Though she would not have been there to see Prince Edward Prince of Wales die.
I think Anne Neville was probably happiest married to Richard III and living back at Midland Castle.
hi elizabeth woodvile was my grandmother 14 times removed anne neville was my 12th great uncles daughter
edward the 3rd was my 18 times grandfarther and richard the 3rd was my cousin 13 times removed
It’s no wonder Queen Anne was forgotten as everything in history always talks about her husband King Richard lll.
You're right, he definitely made sure he was the main focus. But there also just isn't the documentation or sources that tell us a lot about her, and those that do are fairly general.
Shakespeare didn't forget her.
One of my favorite queens!
History, the best of stories. Anne is better known now than ever before.
So sad most of the information was destroyed by man and time.
One of my many Neville cousins.
Really good analysis
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoyed it! 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople as an historian I have studied her
So much sorrow going on in their lives 😢
Great video ❤ from Toronto Canada
Hi, awesome live history video I enjoyed it. Your history videos are always enjoyable. How are you? I'm doing well. We have nice weather in Ontario Canada. How is the weather where you are? Have a great day see you next video 😊
Hi, Michelle, glad to hear you're well! 😊 Sadly, the weather here in the UK is becoming grey and wet for autumn, but we're used to it!
I long for the time when you release an episode about the Duchess of Sussex. 🙏🏼
I promise she's on the list, but it's a long list! 😂 I'm just working my way through them, I promise.
Tbh, all of the members of the York/Neville family seem unpleasant (those of whom we have information on, that is) Isabel Neville herself virtually had her sister in house arrest in her own house…
Well, Isabel is another one we don't have much information on - there's a little more known about her because she remained in England more than Anne - so she may not have had much choice in what happened to Anne in her own home, either. Even if Isabel was against keeping Anne planted there, George could easily have overruled her, sadly. But I do agree in that a lot of the York/Neville family members don't seem to have been very pleasant people! The possible exception for me is Margaret of York, who does seem to have been a more caring personality.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople True, she seems to be the most amiable of the bunch haha. Idk about her sister Anne though, Idk anything abt her tbh apart from the fact that she died in childbirth and left an unhappy marriage
Good video
If Anne and Richard Duke of Gloucester were first cousins requiring a Papal dispensation, were not her sister Isabelle and George Duke of Clarence also in the same situation?
Yes, they were, and it took the Earl of Warwick a long time to get one for them - but the more important connection was that of siblings-in-law.
The Duke of Somerset ran from a battle in France. Duke of York disliked him intensely. I mean Henry 6 family usurped the throne only two decades earlier and York had a better claim
You're right, both sides had either usurped/wanted to usurp - they were as bad as each other! 😂
Honestly, it always makes me think of that clip from Monty Python's 'The Holy Grail', where the peasants are going through some mud and talk about how they're not interested in who is 'king' as they didn't vote for him, and live in an anarcho-communist commune - there's some truth to how people must have felt, I think!
@@HistorysForgottenPeople that’s funny u say that because every time I watch the doc on the Black Death I always think of “Bring out your dead”
I wish there were records of her marriage to Edward of Westminster. The White Queen makes it abusive, but it’s far from an accurate depiction of History😭 (which is just fine, as it is, after all, fiction). Nevertheless, I would assume Edward of W. wasn’t a fan of Anne’s family, but could also recognise her innocence in events that happened before she was even born and when she was a todler.
There's literally nothing, sadly! It's like, 'marriage, France, England, dead'. 😅 They were married for just a few months, so who knows. I agree in that I don't think Anne would have been viewed as her father, and Margaret of Anjou would have understood women were mere pawns against the decisions of the men around them. Having said that, I wonder what Anne felt about it, having been told for so long the Lancastrians were the enemy? She seems to have understood her place in things well enough to go along with it without argument, but it's so frustrating we have no hint of her feelings on the matter.
Funny how the AI art of George looks a lot like the actor who played Richard in The White Queen
LOL not that funny - I use the original portraits to create my images, but of course Midjourney is trained to look at images across the Internet to create its art. So if there are lots of images of the actor with the keywords 'Richard III' attached, it will also use those with no extra input from me, annoyingly.
I never forgot her😊
These customs still persist. In my life, I was born the second female and since I wasn't a male I became nothing to my parents and grandparents. And just like sons the first born was elevated abd given everything right down to a red sports car. And when she totaled the car and grandparents refused to buy her another car she stole my car. I was 16 at the time. I bought my car. My parents couldn't understand why I was so mad despite my sister never asked (why should she everything of mine was given to her though I bought it) me to borrow my car. I missed work that day. But I told my parents and my sister I would prosecute her the next time she steals my car. 😂
I'm sorry to hear that, that's awful that happened to you. 😔 Our true family is often the one we choose, rather than the one we're born with, that's for certain.
As an enthusiastic supporter of the Royal House of Lancaster I have actually a lot of time for Anne And although Richard III certainly benefitted from the marriage through vast land gains I buy too the idea it was at least a good measure of a love match Nice lady in a nest of fairly dubious Yorkists!
I agree - I don't think Anne (or Isabel, for that matter) seem to have leaned one way of the other in terms of the Lancastrians and Yorkists, and possibly due to their father changing sides more than once, didn't view any alliance as permanent. I also think Anne and Richard's marriage was certainly a financial decision above all else, at least at first, but it must have been a happy marriage as contemporary commentators would certainly have mentioned it if not!
Clarence had control of Anne's wealth so Richard let Clarence keep Anne's share of Warwick's estate after he rescued her from where Clarence had hidden her as a scullery maid in the City of London. That was so Clarence would stop objecting to the marriage. It was love not money that drove him.
I have a Neville branch in my linage, not sure if they are connect to the this queen, it’s the same time period
It could be if it's from the same time period, especially if they're from the North of England. 😊
Yes. I'm related to the Neville's through Margaret Neville, the "natural" daughter of Warwick the Kingmaker. She married Sir Richard Huddleston. Sir John Huddleston lived in the North in Millom. They had several children together.
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I think the fact that we know so little about her paints her as a soft person with little selfconfidence to control the politics around her, in my oppinion.
You're right - the absence of her from politics definitely points to someone who either wasn't interested in politics, or didn't get much say in it. Especially if that's looked at alongside the fact she didn't even have financial control over her household, which was unusual for queens. I know it's not popular to view women from the past as having little agency over their own lives with no power whatsoever at the moment, but it can happen in any era, and Anne's absence from records suggests this was the case, as you say. The only thing I would disagree with is calling her 'soft', as at least over here that's usually said to mean someone weak, and I don't think she was that, considering what she lived through and survived. 😊
@@HistorysForgottenPeople Soft can mean different things to different people. I mean kind and perhaps not assertive. English isn't my native language, but soft might mean different things in EnglishEnglish and AmericanEnglish.
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleI'm for telling the truth about history, not making it politically popular in the present moment. It's utterly silly to "update" Louisa May Alcott's story, Little Women, by making women during the Civil War into a bunch of 21st Century ambitious business women. 🙄🤪
Sorry I couldn’t comment last week. It was a very busy week.
Fantastic artwork though.
No worries, we all seem to just get busier and busier these days - I always joke I'm overworked and underpaid! And thank you! 😊
So many suppositions and probables it is hard to know the truth.
I know - I have hesitated to make this video for a while because of that, but a few people asked, so I thought I'd give it a go! It is sad Anne is little more than a name, considering she was queen, but in doing so I guess it's an important point about women of the period.
Quite an interesting lass indeed! It must rly have been a challenge to put this video together because there is so little info about her! Fun fact, there’s a lady claiming to be her reincarnation on instagram👀
Hello, did you watched the Romanovs documentary series I told you about ?
@@DarthDread-oh2neI have been watching it in these past couple of days!! Very interesting, and the visuals are also amazing! I am currently in the beginning of the Reign of Alexander I. Thanks for the recommendation:)
@@lfgifu296 They also have one on the dynasty that came before the Romanovs.
@@DarthDread-oh2ne ooh, I must watch it :)
@@lfgifu296 But it's not in English.
I always believed she was the one who had something to do with the disappearance of the princes in the tower. Idk why history counted her out
Mostly because there's hardly anything known of her, and she showed no known inclination to being that ruthless. Obviously you can't say she definitely didn't, but lack of evidence isn't evidence.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I completely understand. That is why I have always been so fascinated with her. There is little known about her but from what is known we can say she was a survivor. Having influences such as Margaret of Anjou and even her own father I would expect she knew her way around. The evidence we do have pointing to Richard and others seem like there’s always something missing in my opinion. Though these things are never usually straightforward richards behavior along with that of the woodvilles seemed off. With what Anne has been through I’ve always seen it as her protecting her husband. It always seemed to me that Richard was innocent but was indeed protecting someone. There is no evidence of course. Just a theory.
As others have said we have nothing that gives us an indication of Anne's personality, opinions or influence.
Two points that I think it's reasonably to assume though.
1) After Tewkesbury Richard of Gloucester represented her best bet for a comfortable life.
2) When she became queen I'm sure that she would have feared for the safety of her own son and seen the Princes in the Tower as a threat to him.
Quite frankly, whatever anyone wants to say about Henry VII or the Tudors or Buckingham, or James Tyrell. The unfortunate reality was that those Princes were a huge threat, after the wars of the roses they had to have known that a living rival king or claimant had the potential to destabilize the country. Every King has learned that even if they tried to keep their rival alive. Henry IV with Richard II, Edward IV with Henry VI, Henry Tudor with the Earl of Warwick and the many claimants who tried to take the throne, Henry VIII with de la Pole, Mary I with Poor Jane Grey, and even Elizabeth with the Queen of Scots. It's a terrible thing to say but I would be honestly be shocked if neither Richard or Anne had any hand in the Princes disappearing, because they would have been a threat to their son.
Richard Neville was known as the Kingmaker.
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Anne Neville is my 1st cousin 16x removed.
As a big fan of Queen Margaret of Anjou(wrote biography of her and visited Chateau where she died) congratulations on your esteemed ancestress Nice lady I think and deserves a higher profile than she often gets Be very proud of her
Isn't there a generational gap between Anne and Richard? That would make them first cousins once removed
Yes, you're right! I haven't made that clear enough, apologies.
Are all these people related to the current royals the Windsors ?
Not Anne Neville directly, as she had no living descendants, but I think yes, through her earlier ancestors and subsequent cousins several times removed of hers.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople okay
@@HistorysForgottenPeopleSo, then Richard Neville really turned out to be a Kingmaker in a roundabout way. He left an indelible mark.
Wish I knew what anne thought of her first husband.
Dead at 28 is horrible in any age.
I bet the real Anne Neville was a interesting woman and her true story isn't what other people think it is.
It would be wonderful to know her inner thoughts, wouldn't it? I expect Anne was very good at behaving (publicly) how she knew she had to, but it doesn't mean she didn't have a whole host of other thoughts on things.
I doubt many historical figures were the way they’ve been portrayed
Pretty sure I’m very distantly related to this family 👸👸🏻
Pretty sure most of us are.
@@dianochka5432 have you checked? Turns out she’s 1st cousin 1x removed of my 15th great grand uncle (King Edward 4th). There are probably up to 6,000 people who are her direct relatives by approximate calculation. When it comes to step uncles of in laws, for example, I certainly don’t count that at being related.
@@neenaj365 No, it was an assumption but admittedly a bit wild. We need to go back another few hundred years. But AN is my 14th great-grand-aunt, via Margaret Pole.
@@dianochka5432 I’ve just done a bit of work on the Poles. Our distant forebears must have crossed paths at some point, maybe danced together at a feast or two!
are the pictures used on this video AI?
A lot of them, yes. I use actual portraits where possible, but in Anne's case, there are no surviving portraits of her. I use the few descriptions there are of someone (sometimes conflicting!) to create a person that is essentially a placeholder in the video. I do note in all my descriptions that I use Midjourney AI.
No memorial stone until 1965?! How disrespectful!!
I was really shocked when I found out about that, as well as the fact that we have no idea where she is buried. I can understand it for pre-Conquest monarchs, but it's so strange that a queen remains from the 15th century are AWOL.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I suppose Anne Neville was tainted by the bad taste in History's mouth of being the wife of Richard III. Not easy to live down. 🤫
Why don't we know where she's buried? She was a queen goodness sake.
She wasn’t that glamorous, there was a civil war
True, but Midjourney (the AI program I use for the images) thinks everyone came out of it looking like a Hollywood star! 😂 It is something I try to work on, but it's irritatingly hard to make it do 'normal' people.
Anne had nothing to do with the civil war.
So, what do you think of Richard Nixon? (Ikik, quite the jump from my usual questions lmao)
Haha, it's a good jump! Hmm...I do admire him for coming from virtually nothing. If I remember rightly, his family were quite poor, and he got himself through Law school, etc., and made his way to the very top over the years. I always admire people who manage that without any extra leg-up. I also think (despite the obvious that what you see in public possibly hides things beneath that) that he often gets forgotten for a lot of good stuff he did - he ended involvement in Vietnam, where the US shouldn't have been really, he improved relations with China, his administration created legislation for environmental issues, and of course had the 'War on Drugs'. I'm not saying those decisions didn't happen with a lot of 'the public will love this', but nevertheless they happened.
BUT...you know...WATERGATE. You can't harass people. You can't bug your political enemies (or friends!). You can't use your presidential status to accept gifts, a.k.a. bribes. All of that is a huge smear against him, and as it happened later in his career, is often all that's really remembered about Nixon. Having said that, while it was a huge scandal at the time, it's not much against some of the things that political people survive today!
I'm not sure. I think - probably like a lot of political people - Nixon started with the best of intentions, and I think he did know what he was doing to improve the country. But I think power corrupts, and over time Nixon thought he could get away with a lot more, using his power against his opponents.
@@HistorysForgottenPeople I agree with you! I think him coming from a humble beginning made him insecure (add to that him losing the 1960 elections and another campaign and winning his first term by a very short margin). The fact is that he didn’t need to get himself involved in that, he won his second term with a huge difference, and I think, had he stayed out of those shady businesses, he could’ve gone down as a very successful president! I don’t love nor loathe him. I don’t think he was a bad person per se, but multiple circumstances led to his corruption.
Also, not that it matters lol, but I think the FBI agent who brought him down (whose nickname was deep throat- seriously couldn’t they come up with something better💀) wasn’t a very good guy himself
ANN NEVILLE AS FIRST A PRINCESS OF WALES MAKES
ME WONDER WHAT KIND
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LIKE DIANA ,LIKE KATE
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WHAT SHE WOULD B LIKE
CAMILLA/KATE IN THE
FUTURE.
She wasn't the first princess of Wales. That was Isabella, wife of future Edward the 2nd.
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Too many details makes this tedious and hard to follow.
Welcome to history!
Good Lord!!!
Boy they sure looked good for having no makeup, conditioner, or skin care.😂😂
Midjourney AI does not get that we're not doing a multi-million dollar movie about the past, unfortunately! 😂
Please in french s.v.p. commentaires en français s.v.p.
iam actually related to thes peole
Anne Neville a descendant of an English king?
What happened to this girl is the same thing they did to ans Boylen
you sure go into a lot of rumors regarding Richard III, not like your other videos. It's the opinion of many that it was a love match, as the person below suggests, Richard's letters and actions surely show this as well. You sound like you like your roses red.
Er, no...I deal with facts. People always want someone to be the good guy or the bad guy; I just treat them as people with flaws and good points.
Well said. It would be great if more ppl would deal with “facts” in favour of romanticised versions. There’s also far too much presentism attached & personal conviction not to mention the speculation which is rife